[06:49] <xubuntu848> Hello?
[06:49] <SunStar> hi
[06:50] <xubuntu848> I'm having an awful time trying to install Xubuntu on a computer from 2002
[06:50] <SunStar> any specific error messages?
[06:50] <xubuntu848> It has 512 mbs of ram, and runs Windows XP just fine
[06:50] <SunStar> where ya stuck?
[06:50] <xubuntu848> I go through BIOS to load the CD up, and after about 5 minutes of the Xubuntu logo and the blue bar going back and forth
[06:51] <xubuntu848> It just lapses into a black screen, and then displays a tonne of messages
[06:51] <xubuntu848> All beginning with 'Starting' or 'Stopping' different commands / protocols
[06:52] <xubuntu848> All have [ok] listed down the opposite side
[06:52] <xubuntu848> Except for "Stopping cold plug devices"
[06:53] <ubuntufan123> did you take a 32bit xubuntu-cd-image for that install?
[06:54] <ubuntufan123> I guess the 64 bit won't boot on the pc you describe, sorry if you did that already
[06:55] <xubuntu848> yes
[06:55] <xubuntu848> I took the 32 bit image
[06:56] <ubuntufan123> That's strange then, have you tried pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 to go to a terminal?
[06:58] <xubuntu848> I'll give it a shot
[06:58] <xubuntu848> I just got a tonne of 'Authentication Error' messages in a stack
[06:58] <SunStar> seems some one came across this issue befor and fixed it. this is his journey: http://stephen.rees-carter.net/thinkpad-l520-ubuntu/11-04/
[06:58] <xubuntu848> about 10 of them
[07:44] <poisoned_dragon> Does anyone know how to change the theme to LightDM in Xubuntu? I wanna see if I can find something better than greybird.
[07:47] <baizon> poisoned_dragon: http://askubuntu.com/questions/75755/how-to-change-the-lightdm-theme-greeter
[07:47] <no7870> any xubuntu developers here?
[07:48] <baizon> no7870: there are always xubuntu devs here, just ask your question
[07:48] <no7870> I'm patient, and not a newbie linux user. I found a real problem.
[07:49] <no7870> here it goes
[07:50] <poisoned_dragon> Thanks, baizon. However, I've seen that page already. It does't cover how to change the theme. It's a case of, "everything, but the kitchen sink."
[07:50] <no7870> I dualbooted linux with an AMD 5570 card, with a fresh install of xubuntu where it re-partitioned the drive, everything worked great, was watching youtubes, even with my usb logitech headset
[07:50] <no7870> then I upgraded my power supply and my video card to an amd 7870 and rebooted. xubuntu lost its sound
[07:51] <no7870> after googling myself to death for 3 hours and trying different things to get my sound back, I finally gave up
[07:51] <no7870> I reinstalled xubuntu again
[07:51] <no7870> figuring the default install with my new 7870 amd video card would work out
[07:52] <baizon> poisoned_dragon: change this line in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf : theme-name=Bluebird
[07:53] <baizon> no7870: i think your default sound change to your graphicscard output
[07:53] <poisoned_dragon> So, what qualifies as a usable theme in lightdm? Does it have to be gtk3?
[07:53] <baizon> have you checked that?
[07:53] <poisoned_dragon> I saw that line, I just wanted to be sure it was that easy.
[07:53] <no7870> I just printed that recommendation and will do that and come back
[07:53] <poisoned_dragon> Oh, is the built in card using hdmi?
[07:54] <no7870> btw, I really love xubuntu developers who want to hear user feedback like this, especially late at night. it makes linux great
[07:55] <no7870> should I leave and try the /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf right now
[07:55] <no7870> could it be that simple?
[07:55] <baizon> poisoned_dragon: http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=5
[07:55] <no7870> it boggles my mind on how video should have anything to do with sound
[07:56] <baizon> no7870: that was the answer for poisoned_dragon
[07:56] <baizon> no7870: install pavucontrol and check the settings there
[07:57] <no7870> I'
[07:57] <poisoned_dragon> Sorry for the cross talk, no7870. :)
[07:57] <no7870> thanks :)
[07:57] <baizon> no7870: if your output is set for your sound card or the HDMI output
[07:58] <no7870> I've got 4 different computers in my office here, I'm going to reboot this machine back into ubuntu and rejoin IRC on a second machine
[07:58] <baizon> ok
[07:58] <no7870> to be honest, I'm not one to ask for help easily. :P  I rather RTFM first. :) heheh
[07:58] <no7870> ok, brb
[08:01] <no7870> ok, on console #2 different computer, can you see me?
[08:01] <poisoned_dragon> yup
[08:01] <no7870> ok doing reboot on computer #1
[08:03] <no7870> to be honest I'm running 12.04, I know 12.10 is out, but I didn't see anything in the changelog saying anything significant that would make a difference between a raden 7870 and killing the sound from a fresh install
[08:03] <no7870> raden/radeon
[08:04] <no7870> ok booted up. right away my desktop complains about a crash about /usr/bin/blueman-applet
[08:05] <no7870> please send me that config edit again
[08:05] <no7870> oh wait, I printed it sec
[08:06] <no7870> I was told:
[08:06] <poisoned_dragon> Still not finding info specific to themes in lightdm, baizon. It's just going to have to be trial and error.
[08:07] <no7870> going to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[08:07] <poisoned_dragon> I just know that the theme lightdm uses is based on gtk3
[08:07] <poisoned_dragon> So, I'll have to find those kinds of themes.
[08:08] <no7870> changing theme-name from Greybird-lightdm to Bluebird
[08:09] <poisoned_dragon> I don't want Bluebird.
[08:09] <no7870> rebooting
[08:12] <no7870> no, still dead. :( I can give root access to my machine while I figure this out. the weird thing is that lsamixer sees my usb headset fine, just Xfce is oblivious
[08:12] <no7870> anyone willing to SSH in and take a peek?
[08:17] <Myrtti> you shouldn't really do that
[08:17] <no7870> I know
[08:17] <no7870> :(
[08:18] <no7870> just weird how a fresh install of 12.04 xbuntu with a radeon 7870 kills sound
[08:19] <no7870> I'm on a limb. I've helped a lot of other ppl other ways. just looking for someone interest in xubuntu who is a developer looking to see whats up
[08:19] <no7870> you're right though Myrtti
[08:19] <poisoned_dragon> I wish I could help, but my Xubuntu install uses an intel chip.
[08:20] <no7870> but to be honest, doesn't it seem weird that sound issues change with a different GPU
[08:20] <no7870> that doesn't make sense to me
[08:20] <poisoned_dragon> I've avoided using Linux with an AMD or Nvidia chip, in order to make installation and use easy.
[08:20] <poisoned_dragon> It depends on where you were getting your sound from, no7870
[08:21] <no7870> on the taskbar up top, I see a speaker with three dots, it's unavailable
[08:22] <poisoned_dragon> I meant hardware wise.
[08:22] <Tm_T> no7870: radeon and sound issues, could it be that sounds are pushed to hdmi?
[08:22] <poisoned_dragon> Is it a separate sound chip with a headphone port, or is it hdmi?
[08:22] <no7870> but if I go into the terminal and run alsamixer, I can choose F6 and pick device 1 = Logitech USB Headset
[08:22] <Tm_T> I had that issue with some radeon at one point
[08:23] <no7870> Its a USB headset with its own built in sound device apparently logitech is good that way
[08:23] <Tm_T> no7870: yeah, you have to find a way to disable hdmi sound entirely quite possibly in order to it work properly
[08:23] <Tm_T> that was my experience anyway
[08:23] <no7870> true. my dmesg said "too many HDMI devices" --  think what you are saying is close that
[08:23] <no7870> I thought HDMI was strictly video -- apparently not
[08:24] <no7870> I have onboard integrated HDMI and now the 7870 brought 2 more
[08:25] <poisoned_dragon> No, HDMI pipes video and audio. That's why when you plug it into a tv, there's no set of audio cables to connect.
[08:25] <no7870> interesting. its the HDMI thing that might be getting in the way here. never thought of that
[08:25] <no7870> at least now I have an idea of what might be happening now. thanks a lot
[08:26] <no7870> alsamixer at shell isn't confused, just xfce is
[08:27] <no7870> For the longest time I thought it was user error, but after a fresh install, I now know its the distribution not coping with today's hardware correctly
[08:29] <no7870> hdmi is quite often integrated these days on motherboards. Add a Radeon 7870 with two HDMI ports, and xubuntu 12+ can't take it
[08:30] <no7870> let me post my dmesg so you can see it
[08:30] <poisoned_dragon> If you put in an add on graphics card, how is the onboard chip not disabled?
[08:33] <no7870> Take a look here:
[08:33] <no7870> http://www.scpz.com/dmesg.html
[08:34] <no7870> 2/3 down the scroll you'll see xubuntu complain about too many HDMI devices
[08:35] <no7870> neat error. bad for the user though
[08:36] <no7870> too many HDMI devices = NO SOUND IN xfce
[08:38] <poisoned_dragon> :(
[08:38] <no7870> grin
[08:38] <no7870> now we understand each other. :))
[08:38] <poisoned_dragon> I'm sure it's not an issue with xfce alone.
[08:39] <no7870> you're going to be right on that
[08:39] <poisoned_dragon> It sounds like any DE would suffer as a result of that error
[08:39] <no7870> yup
[08:39] <poisoned_dragon> If anything, it's a failing of Alsa.
[08:39] <poisoned_dragon> Or.....
[08:39] <no7870> I pulled my hair out for 3 hours, and I finally gave in and said, I can't figure this one out by myself
[08:39] <poisoned_dragon> Have you tried testing the output through alsa alone?
[08:40] <poisoned_dragon> If it works in alsa, it might be a pulse audio thing.
[08:40] <no7870> not exactly sure how to do that. would it mean having an mp3 on the disk and playing it some how from shell?
[08:42] <no7870> btw, alplay -l shows all the audio devices and usb headset is listed as card 1
[08:44] <poisoned_dragon> Um... I think the aplay command, in terminal, could assist you.
[08:45] <poisoned_dragon> you can test an interface with a sound file.
[08:46] <no7870> please take one more look at this, and scroll to the bottom of the page
[08:46] <no7870> http://www.scpz.com/dmesg.html
[08:48] <no7870> all I want is xfce is to use card 1: [Logitech USB Headset] as the default sound card
[08:48] <no7870> the OS sees it. Xwindows can't. argh.
[08:50] <poisoned_dragon> in the audio mixer, there's a green circle, with a check mark, next to each audio interface. Which ever input/output you want to use, you have to click that circle next to it.
[08:50] <poisoned_dragon> Do they show up in the audio mixer?
[08:50] <no7870> define in detail how you get to the "audio mixer"
[08:50] <no7870> with xfe
[08:50] <no7870> xfce
[08:51] <poisoned_dragon> the sound icon in your notification tray of your panel.
[08:51] <poisoned_dragon> click on it and select sound settings
[08:51] <no7870> Thats my nemesis. I see it, and it looks like a speaker on the left that has three dashes next to it
[08:52] <no7870> if I click it, it becomes depressed, and does nothing
[08:52] <no7870> if I right click it, it says Move, Remove, or panel
[08:52] <no7870> the notification is dead weight at this point :P
[08:53] <no7870> btw, when my amd 5570 was installed before, I did do that, and I was able to choose between speakers and my usb headset and it worked perfectly. so I understand the importance of that system tray notification icon
[08:54] <poisoned_dragon> Though I know what you mean by depressed, it still sounds funny at a glance.
[08:54] <no7870> LOL
[08:54] <poisoned_dragon> So... lets recap.
[08:54] <poisoned_dragon> Things were fine until you installed a new graphics card, right?
[08:55] <no7870> btw, I admire your persistance, thank you for that
[08:56] <no7870> yes, the default install of xbuntu 12.04 with a different graphics card which was an AMD 5570 worked fine
[08:56] <poisoned_dragon> The HD5570 was an add on card, or an internal card?
[08:56] <no7870> I swapped it out for a 7870 and ever since then I can't get sound with a fresh install
[08:56] <no7870> the HD5570 on the same board was a separate card
[08:56] <poisoned_dragon> Ah, ok.
[08:57] <no7870> I think I have an integrated HD 4250 on this motherboard
[08:57] <no7870> the motherboard itself is a M4A89GTDPRO/USB3
[08:57] <no7870> with an integrated HD 4250
[08:58] <no7870> and I know how my situation can quickly become annoying and I apologize for that
[08:59] <poisoned_dragon> Are you using the open source drivers for your video and sound?
[08:59] <no7870> its just new to me how upgrading a GPU can break xubuntu
[08:59] <no7870> well I did take proprietary drivers before directly from AMD on the last install
[08:59] <SunStar> i know that the AMD drivers dont work on that card and HDMI wont work
[08:59] <poisoned_dragon> The last install with the HD5xxx card?
[09:00] <no7870> but this install I'm completely opensource drivers named fgrl or whatever they are called
[09:00] <SunStar> AMD considers the HD 2x, 3x and 4x, series legacy and are no longer supporting them
[09:00] <SunStar> the fglrx wont work on that card unless you go back to Xubuntu 11
[09:00] <SunStar> the 4250
[09:00] <no7870> don't care about the 4250
[09:01] <poisoned_dragon> His HD4xxx chip is the integrated chip. When you install a PCIe card, it disables the onboard chip. So, that's a non issue.
[09:01] <SunStar> oh
[09:01]  * SunStar runs away
[09:01] <no7870> I don't even care much about the 7970 either
[09:01] <no7870> I mostly care about stop stealing my youtube video sound with my logitech usb because of a video driver issue
[09:01] <no7870> ...to put it bluntly
[09:02] <poisoned_dragon> Maybe you should try the catalyst drivers for your HD7xxx card. It might resolve your audio issues.
[09:02] <no7870> did that
[09:02] <poisoned_dragon> Oh. :(
[09:02] <no7870> actually sec
[09:02] <no7870> will give you the reveal on that
[09:02] <no7870> hold on
[09:02] <no7870> little blue bird top left corner
[09:03] <no7870> actually I'm not that far in this particular install
[09:03] <no7870> last time I had AMD catalyst.
[09:03] <no7870> this is just a default install and reformat of the xbuntu partition
[09:04] <no7870> last time I did this, the catalyst stuff recognized the card fine, but I still had no sound
[09:04] <poisoned_dragon> hmm
[09:04] <no7870> it looks like it is going to be a kernel issue
[09:04] <no7870> with "too many HDMI devices"
[09:05] <no7870> and we all know, when the kernel can't cope, nothing works
[09:05] <poisoned_dragon> Does the HD 7xxx card also have hmdi?
[09:05] <no7870> it has two
[09:05] <no7870> and my integrated motherboard has 1
[09:06] <no7870> so I have 3 total
[09:06] <poisoned_dragon> The one on the MB is irrelevant, I hope.
[09:06] <no7870> I'm learning how to love alsa but hate xfce
[09:06] <poisoned_dragon> If installing the new card doesn't disable hdmi audio on the motherboard, you might have to kill it in the bios.
[09:07] <no7870> well I'm on a separate terminal right now, let's see if I can do that..sec
[09:09] <no7870> ok, I got into something on the bios, it says 890GX configuration as the internal graphics configuration
[09:10] <no7870> AMD 880 HD Audio is already disabled. hmmm
[09:10] <poisoned_dragon> Then it does get disabled automatically.
[09:11] <no7870> ohh got one here. "HD Audio Azalia Device [enabled]" in the bios, gonna disable that before reboot
[09:12] <poisoned_dragon> k
[09:12] <poisoned_dragon> That should be the analog output
[09:12] <poisoned_dragon> I dunno if it'll have an effect.
[09:12] <no7870> booting... fingers crossed ...
[09:13] <no7870> nope. no difference. but if I remember correctly linux really doesn't care about the bios like Windows does...
[09:15] <no7870> it just seems to weird how linux command shell can see everything but Xwindow and xfce is so stumped
[09:15] <poisoned_dragon> I wish I were more helpful, but I don't use any hardware with hdmi. So, it's difficult for me the wrap my head completely around it.
[09:16] <no7870> you've given your best stab at it poisoned_dragon, and that's nice of you to give it your best shot
[09:16] <no7870> I'm gonna reboot and try and shut off more in the bios right now
[09:16] <poisoned_dragon> k
[09:18] <no7870> I got one weird thing to configure in bios and I don't get it myself
[09:18] <no7870> it says this:
[09:18] <no7870> Primary Video Controller:
[09:18] <no7870> there is 4 choices:
[09:18] <no7870> GFX0-GPP-IGFX-PCI
[09:19] <no7870> GPP-GFX0-IGFX-PCI
[09:19] <no7870> PCI-GFX0-GPP-IGFX
[09:19] <no7870> IGFX-GFX0-GPP-PCI
[09:19] <no7870> I ssume most of these with IGFX means "integrated Graphix"
[09:20] <no7870> so I'm going to select the PCI one
[09:21] <poisoned_dragon> yeah
[09:21] <poisoned_dragon> it's the order in which to find graphics cards
[09:23] <no7870> didn't work. I'm giving up for tonight. this is the price you pay when you buy leading graphics cards on the market. but to be fair, the 7870 has been out since 2011 so I'm still 2 years ahead of ubuntu development
[09:23] <no7870> whatever. :(
[09:23] <poisoned_dragon> heh
[09:23] <poisoned_dragon> I'm sleepy too. It's 5:23am here
[09:24] <poisoned_dragon> Actually, it might be the price you pay for buying AMD/ATI.
[09:24] <poisoned_dragon> Nvidia has issues too, but I hear fewer complaints.
[09:24] <poisoned_dragon> Still, this is an audio issue, until we prove otherwise.
[09:26] <no7870> gnite, and thanks a million. :)
[09:26] <no7870> just walking beside me through this problem was plenty of help, it really was
[09:26] <no7870> sleep tight, gnite
[09:27] <no7870> and BEST of all, I didn't have to give ssh + root access to my machine LMAO
[09:28] <no7870> bye everyone. l8r
[11:02] <delocaz> Hello! Xubuntu won't install for me. It boots up to the screen that says Xubuntu 12.10 and has the 4 dots, then blackscreens.
[11:02] <delocaz> Can anyone help?
[11:03] <delocaz> No installer or anything
[11:07] <john__> hello, is it possible to customize right click behavior on titlebar? actually i want to disable window moving, i only want window manager menu with right click, like any other window menager
[11:09] <baizon> john__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1105162
[11:19] <john__> baizon, thank you for the quick response, but this is not what i want, i mean, for example in kwin and metacity, whatever... when i press right click on title bar, i get the window manager menu, while in xfwm i have to press and then release the right click to get this menu
[11:20] <john__> it's just because in xfwm when you press right click on titlebar it moves the windows, that's why i'm asking if it is possible to disable this, i want to get window manager menu when i press right click and not when i release it
[11:20] <baizon> john__: #xfce or #xfce-dev would be the best channel to ask this i think
[11:20] <john__> the same happens in xfdesktop
[11:21] <john__> it's not a major issue of course, just a bit annoying behavior :)
[11:22] <baizon> yes, but it's xfce related i think. You can write a bugreport
[11:25] <delocaz> Can anyone help me with Xubuntu not booting up to the installer?
[11:25] <delocaz> Only gets to the part with 4 dots and text saying Xubuntu 12.10
[11:26] <john__> yes it is xfwm issue, and as I saw there is no option in xfce4-settings-editor to disable this
[11:28] <knome> i'd say it is unlikely for this to be "fixed", but feel free to file a bugreport in the xfce bugzilla
[12:08] <john__> ok, thank you guys, i'll file a bug report for this, keep up the good work, xubuntu is getting better with every release! bye
[12:08] <knome> thanks, and enjoy
[12:28] <delocaz> Why is everyone ignoring me -.- Asked over an hour ago, no response.
[12:28] <delocaz> Xubuntu won't boot up from the live CD, not launching the installer at all
[12:29] <cfhowlett> delocaz, did you (1) verify the iso with md5sum and (2) check the cd for errors?
[12:29] <Yotson> not knowing an answer looks like ignoring from your side. They aren't the same though. ;)
[12:29] <delocaz> cfhowlett, I have no idea how to do that :) I used the Windows Disc Burner thingy and checked the Verify Disc option.
[12:30] <cfhowlett> delocaz, no worries.  I'll send you the md5sum link.  checking the disk for errors comes up once cd boots ... oh, right.
[12:30] <cfhowlett> !md5sum|delocaz,
[12:30] <cfhowlett> delocaz, and the reason why is that bad downloads happen to good people
[12:34] <delocaz> cfhowlett, no, MD5 sums matched...
[12:35] <delocaz> Both are bd87be6626efa4ebf7678f5e2c942b57
[12:35] <cfhowlett> delocaz, good.  so NO boot?  are you sure the bios is set to boot the cdrom?  could the cd drive itself have failed?
[12:35] <cfhowlett> delocaz, optionally, have you considered making a USB rather than a cd?
[12:36] <delocaz> It boots, and as stated above, says "Xubuntu 12.10" and the 4 dots that change colors appear
[12:36] <delocaz> Then black screen
[12:36] <cfhowlett> delocaz, ah, I missed that ... and I have a possible solution
[12:36] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|delocaz,
[12:37] <cfhowlett> delocaz, the mode setting on graphics card can cause precisely the error you experience.  try the mo mode set options as a workaround
[12:37] <delocaz> Oh, so that's what the little keyboard = man is for!
[12:37] <delocaz> Let me try that...
[12:38] <cfhowlett> :P)
[12:40] <delocaz> Doesn't react to keypresses...
[12:40] <delocaz> Still "boots up" as normal
[12:41] <cfhowlett> try again to get the options menu
[12:46] <delocaz> cfhowlett, for some reason the keyboard only recieves power after that little picture goes away...
[12:48] <cfhowlett> delocaz, come over to #ubuntu and present this issue.  pretty sure someone can walk you through it
[12:48] <delocaz> okay
[13:06] <delocaz> Okay... I changed it to nomodeset, and it booted up, flashed a cursor for half a second, then went black.
[13:06] <delocaz> Then flashed a cursor again, then went black
[13:08] <cfhowlett> delocaz, keep it in #ubuntu
[13:09] <delocaz> Okay
[13:17] <schlaftier> st
[13:18] <cfhowlett> delocaz, usb keyboard ... no internal keyboard?
[13:22] <jacklk> anyone ever tried Cannabis Energy Drink?
[13:22] <jacklk> http://www.cannabisenergydrink.com/
[13:23] <cfhowlett> !ot|jacklk,
[13:23] <Myrtti> jacklk: you're really not doing well.
[13:24] <jacklk> Myrtti: i know lollllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[13:25] <jacklk> !ops
[13:25] <jacklk> no
[13:25] <Tm_T> bah
[13:25] <Tm_T> sorry for being slow
[13:26] <gry> oh, hello Tm_T, long time no see, recall seeing you a year ago or a couple
[13:27] <Tm_T> gry: can't be that long (:
[13:37] <xubuntu072> hi i have a question... Do any of you use the new nvidia 319 drivers with xubuntu 13.04?
[13:39] <Myrtti> you could ask in #ubuntu+1
[16:30] <Ester> !ciao
[16:30] <Ester> ciao
[16:30] <Ester> !list
[17:22] <poisoned_dragon> hey baizon, I figured it out.
[17:24] <xubuntu772> hi
[17:25] <poisoned_dragon> hi
[17:25] <xubuntu772> i have a problem with a video acquire card
[17:25] <xubuntu772> video capture scheda
[17:26] <xubuntu772> how can I tell if it is installed?
[17:26] <poisoned_dragon> um... if you do lspci in the terminal, it should show up in the list.
[17:26] <poisoned_dragon> But, I don't know if that means there is a driver loaded for it.
[17:27] <xubuntu772> ok.. i see now..
[17:27] <xubuntu772> give me a second
[17:27] <SonikkuAmerica> !details
[17:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Can we have them?
[17:28] <SonikkuAmerica> (We need our own Supybot in here)
[17:29] <xubuntu772> 03:0f.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) 03:0f.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
[17:29] <SonikkuAmerica> It took ubottu that long...
[17:30] <xubuntu772> i have more of this message
[17:30] <xubuntu772> i read on card.. the model
[17:32] <xubuntu772> i return in 5 minutes .. turn off the pc
[17:32] <xubuntu772> .. sorry.. see you later
[17:41] <Discordian93> Hi
[17:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Yo
[17:42] <Discordian93> Can someone help me? i'm at a friend's house trying to make his old computer work for a while longer with xubuntu, but I'm having some trouble.
[17:42] <Discordian93> basically, there's no way to watch youtube videos without problems. Firefox plays the video right but without sound and chrome has sound but has super jerky video.
[17:43] <SonikkuAmerica> !anyone
[17:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Super jerky?
[17:43] <Discordian93> slow
[17:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Can you [ lspci ] it for me?
[17:44] <Discordian93> sorry, I don't lnow what that means. Is lspci a command?
[17:44] <Discordian93> know*
[17:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Yes
[17:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Anything I type within [ ] is a terminal command.
[17:45] <Discordian93> okay
[17:46] <Discordian93> here's the output from lspci: http://pastebin.com/0gzjjXm4
[17:51] <Discordian93> hello?
[17:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Sorry, I cross multiple *buntu channels
[17:52] <Discordian93> no problem, just wanted to know you were stlll online
[17:52] <SonikkuAmerica> I didn't quit or part the channel :)
[17:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Just mention my name and it'll show up in blue on my client
[18:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Discordian93: So it's an Intel 915G integrated.
[18:14] <SonikkuAmerica> {ATT 2: No response from query} Discordian93: So it's an Intel 915G integrated.
[18:14] <Discordian93> hi
[18:15] <Discordian93> sorry
[18:16] <Discordian93> SonikkuAmerica: So, can something be done?
[18:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Well... I would say a new GPU is in order... but that isn't possible. So not that I know of.
[18:19] <SonikkuAmerica> I have a 965 and thank God every day it works 'cuz it ain't supported by anything or anyone anymore.
[18:19] <Discordian93> yeah, thought so
[18:19] <Discordian93> Noproblem, we've just bought a new computer
[18:19] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm even surprised that Google fixed Pepper Flash 11.7 for it to work on Chrome for 965s
[18:20] <Discordian93> Seems no more use can be squeezed from this dusty pentium 4.
[18:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Lubuntu maybe, but not with that GPU.
[18:21] <Discordian93> okay, thanks for the help. Bye!
[19:53] <lacrim> bonsoir
[19:53] <lacrim> je suis nouveau sur xubuntu et mon pc ram je comprend pas pourquoi
[19:54] <Unit193> !fr | lacrim
[20:28] <Carlinhos> Can I install 13.04 beta while preserving /home even though it isn't on a  separate partition (default Ubuntu partitions)?
[20:29] <TheSheep> back it up, reinstall, then recover it from backup
[20:30] <TheSheep> you should make a backup anyways
[20:31] <Carlinhos> well i guess I will just do a backup and this time make sure /home is in a  separate partition so it won't be a problem in future upgrades
[20:31] <TheSheep> make sure to leave some extra space on your system partition, in case you need to install some more programs
[20:32] <Carlinhos> i'm thinking 25GB for / just in case
[20:32] <Carlinhos> I have 500GB
[20:32] <TheSheep> sounds good
[20:34] <Carlinhos> do i need any more partitions other than / and /home? I have 4GB ram
[20:39] <David-A> Carlinhos: you dont "need" any partitions except /, but I would recommend a little swap.
[20:39] <lderan> Carlinhos,  if you like organising stuff into multiple partitions then yeah. Hard disks i think support upto 4 then any additional ones become virtual
[20:41] <Carlinhos> I just want a separate /home so those 2 should be enough. I'm thinking about a swap one in case I want to hibernate.
[20:42] <TheSheep> actually you can put swap in a file
[20:42] <TheSheep> with 3.x kernels it's as fast as a partiion
 Carlinhos: I think ubuntu have removed the option to hibernate, leaving only  the suspend option - wich i think only suspends to disk, not RAM
[20:43] <Carlinhos> I can make/delete a swap file after instalation right?
[20:44] <David-A> (with a msdos partition table, there are max 4 "primary" partitions, beyond that one can have an "extended" partition that is a placeholder for "logical" partitions)
[20:44] <TheSheep> Carlinhos: yes
[20:45] <lderan> David-A, ah that's it
[20:45] <Carlinhos> Then I guess it will be 25GB / and the remaining will be /home
[20:46] <David-A> Carlinhos: if a swap file instead of swap partition, remember to have enough space for it in the / partition
[20:46] <Carlinhos> Hmm good point
[20:46] <David-A> (is there any real performance penalty for swap "file", compared to swap "partition"?)
[20:49] <Carlinhos> I've just been told I need a partition in order for hibernate to work.
[20:54] <Carlinhos> Then again, I never use hibernate so the additional space would probably be more useful.
[21:01] <TheSheep> David-A: no penalty in the recent kernels
[21:05] <poisoned_dragon> For future referemce, if you want to customize the color scheme in LightDM, for Xubuntu, just use GTK3 themes from Gnome-look.org
[21:09] <poisoned_dragon> Took me forever to figure that out.
[21:40] <Peyam> Hi
[21:40] <Peyam> Anything new  in 13.04? and worth to upgrade
[21:40] <Peyam> the changes in xfce is not so big I hert
[21:41] <TheSheep> MFP support, I guess
[21:41] <poisoned_dragon> I never thought to look.
[21:41] <TheSheep> if you have an android device
[21:41] <knome> there's always new things. if it's "worth" upgrading depends what you think is worth, but if you are on 12.10, you should upgrade.
[21:43] <Peyam> knome: couse of the LTS?
[21:45] <Peyam> They have Gimp installed
[21:45] <Peyam> Which I hate anyway
[21:46] <poisoned_dragon> Why hate gimp?
[21:46]  * TheSheep looks towards #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:46] <knome> Peyam, 12.10 is not LTS, and you have no other upgrade path than upgrade to all releases up to 14.04. after that, LTS->LTS is possible too.
[21:46]  * TheSheep wiggles his eyebrows
[21:46] <Peyam> I menat 13.04 sir
[21:46] <knome> Peyam, you can always remove gimp.
[21:47] <knome> Peyam, yes. did you read what i wrote?
[21:47] <Peyam> Yes. it seemed like you didnt understand that I was talking about 13.04 :) yes I know. But if it is one the few changes so it feel unneccesero
[21:48] <knome> i did understand.
[21:48] <knome> i said "if you are on 12.10 (now), ..."
[21:48] <Peyam> I knew that :)
[21:48] <Peyam> So what is new beside this? XFCE is still on 4.10
[21:48] <poisoned_dragon> Oh, he means that it doesn't matter if it's worth your while. You should upgrade,
[21:49] <poisoned_dragon> If you were still using the LTS, you could just wait for the next LTS.
[21:49] <Peyam> Does it mean a whole fresh install?
[21:49] <poisoned_dragon> Yeah.... sorry.
[21:49] <knome> Peyam, if you are on 12.10 now, you don't have other option to upgrade than go to 13.04, or do a fresh install at 14.04 to get LTS.
[21:49] <poisoned_dragon> I don't know if dist upgrading through apt is supported.
[21:49] <Peyam> not good. I will wait to 13.10
[21:49] <Peyam> I usually dont use lts
[21:49] <knome> Peyam, you can't skip from 12.10 to 13.10 either.
[21:50] <knome> Peyam, and 13.04 is not an LTS release.
[21:50] <Peyam> I know.. I mean i do a fresh install then
[21:50] <Peyam> Isn't it?
[21:50] <knome> no.
[21:50] <Peyam> 04 s are usually lts releases
[21:50] <knome> also, i don't see 13.10 suddenly getting gimp dropped.
[21:50] <knome> Peyam, no, LTS releases are released every two years, so every *other* .04
[21:50] <Peyam> hmm
[21:51] <knome> Peyam, besides, i don't know why you would want to avoid LTS releases
[21:51] <Peyam> I dont know if I get new computer when I install 13.10. 12.04 had some peoblem with my hardware which 12.10 didnt
[21:52] <knome> issues are always possible, but it doesn't have anything to do with LTS's
[21:52] <poisoned_dragon> Peyam, you can always use alternate install isos. I believe gimp isn't included in them.
[21:52] <knome> a regular release might introduce new issues as well.
[21:53] <knome> poisoned_dragon, we don't offer alternate ISOs after 12.04. if we would, they would have gimp though.
[21:53] <Peyam> knome: yes .. you are right.. but everytime I get a new computer it happens to be in january :D
[21:53] <poisoned_dragon> I don't remember having to remove gimp from Xubuntu 12.04
[21:53] <Peyam> 12.10 doesnt have gimp preinstalled
[21:54] <poisoned_dragon> And Ubuntu 12.10 does have an alt install.
[21:54] <Peyam> but it is not an issue
[21:54] <knome> poisoned_dragon, xubuntu 12.10 doesn't. believe me, i made the decision to drop the alternates.
[21:54] <Peyam> I think xubuntu should take a other step to user freindlyness.
[21:54] <poisoned_dragon> I know Xubuntu doesn't
[21:54] <poisoned_dragon> But Ubuntu does
[21:54] <Peyam> I like xubuntu most of all dists
[21:54] <knome> Peyam, which is...?
[21:56] <w30> I am trying to use VLC to play my TV card but I can't get sound. What divice must I use for sound device in VLC? Nuthin' works
[21:56] <Peyam> I usually use programms like matlab, maple, etc which I should installed. When I need to uninstall them I go to the file and run .uninstall file which can be dificult for some new users. If xubuntu had a "Remove /install programs" like in windows it would be perfect
[21:57] <knome> Peyam, if you installed the applications from the software repositories, ubuntu software center does exactly what you are asking for
[21:57] <knome> Peyam, if you needed to install them via non-regular ways, there's no way xubuntu would know how to uninstall those applications
[21:57] <Peyam> and it is easy? I should add it! which makes it confusing anywat
[21:57] <Peyam> yes but windows does! and Im sure xubuntu can do much better
[21:58] <poisoned_dragon> I never had to hunt down orphan files left behind by apps installed by the software center.
[21:58] <knome> Peyam, i don't think the applications you mentioned have repositories (or maybe PPAs)
[21:58] <w30> hw:0/Line works for Tvtime. but not in vlc
[21:58] <Peyam> knome: no they have'nt. that's what im saying!
[21:58] <knome> Peyam, that's because the applications have windows installers, and they tell windows what they are removing.
[21:59] <knome> Peyam, a similar approach for (x)ubuntu would be to have .deb packages (in package repositories) for the applications
[21:59] <Peyam> so you think the companies should make a .deb file to be installed regularly?
[21:59] <SunStar> well maybe some one should come up with some stardards for app uninstall so we can just have one place with all installed apps with one simple uninstall button
[21:59] <Peyam> knome: yes. I though about it too
[21:59] <knome> Peyam, if they did that, then yes, you should be able to uninstall those applications/packages cleanly.
[22:00] <knome> SunStar, there is, it's called the debian packaging (.debs)
[22:00] <Peyam> Actully i dont have prolems with this kind of things. but many of my friends ask me about how to uninstall an application..
[22:00] <SunStar> true that
[22:00] <Peyam> One more problem is the mounter
[22:00] <SunStar> but .tar.gz is more popular cuz not everyone runs a debian
[22:01] <knome> SunStar, sure. but that's always unclean in every distro, and you always need to use the applications own uninstaller.
[22:01] <SunStar> standards ftw
[22:02] <Peyam> The right click on the desktop that shows the menu is awesome. thanks to the person who had that idea
[22:02] <knome> the point is, .tar.gz isn't/can't be any standard.
[22:02] <Peyam> it makes my work so much faster
[22:02] <knome> Peyam, thank the xfce developers for that
[22:02] <Peyam> I should
[22:02] <Peyam> amazing job
[22:02] <SunStar> abiding to a global install log cant be that hard
[22:03] <Peyam> the greybird theme is amazing.. The person made it has a very good taste
[22:03] <knome> SunStar, the ultimate point here is that if there would be one way that all developers could agree on, there wouldn't be different package management systems
[22:04] <knome> Peyam, thanks. i'm a contributor to that, but ochosi has made most of the work on it
[22:04] <poisoned_dragon> I just use a second panel for quick access to apps.
[22:04] <Peyam> knome: keep on the good work! you are awesome
[22:04] <knome> we will. enjoy :)
[22:04] <poisoned_dragon> Autohide ftw
[22:05] <poisoned_dragon> I'm just glad I finally figured out a way to change themes in LightDM.
[22:05] <SunStar> they can install however they want and do whatever they want, but if everything was polite n said "hello my name is ... and my files are here x, here, and here x," it wouldnt matter
[22:05] <SunStar> in one master file*
[22:06] <knome> SunStar, that's what package management systems are designed to do.
[22:07] <knome> SunStar, but in addition to that, they allow tracking versions and many cool things most people don't think of
[22:07] <poisoned_dragon> Also, when you uninstall an app, you can later remove all the other packages that it installed, if no other software needs them.
[22:07] <knome> yes, dependencies are one of the cool things.
[22:08] <poisoned_dragon> knome, I'm actually a sad panda about the idea of phasing out alt installs.
[22:08] <knome> poisoned_dragon, lubuntu still has them
[22:08] <poisoned_dragon> If it's weren't for the alt install, xubuntu 12.04 wouldn't fit on my eeepc 701.
[22:08] <Peyam> knome: I can't see different kind of battre usage plan " like pawer saving .", "high performance"...
[22:08] <poisoned_dragon> It only has a 4gb ssd.
[22:08] <Peyam> Do I miss something?
[22:08] <poisoned_dragon> Eeeeewwwww.... Lubuntu.
[22:08] <knome> !minimal | poisoned_dragon
[22:09] <poisoned_dragon> I'm too noob for the minimal image.
[22:09] <knome> poisoned_dragon, if you aren't for the alt image, you aren't for the minimal one. you can simply select to install the xubuntu desktop drom the minimal image.
[22:09] <SunStar> if i have to code for multple browser support cuz no one can agree how the internet works whats the problem?
[22:09] <poisoned_dragon> I never said I wasn't for the alt install.
[22:10] <poisoned_dragon> I needed the alt install for the net book.
[22:10] <knome> Peyam, i'd assume they only differ when you try to use most of the resources (power saving doesn't let you use as much as high perf probably does)
[22:10] <poisoned_dragon> The alt install settled at 3.5 in used space. Then I had to trim some fat. :)
[22:10] <knome> SunStar, welcome to #xubuntu-offtopic to discuss the changes in the web world ;)
[22:11] <Peyam> knome: well I ment on battery I want to use a certain plan and on AC on something else.
[22:12] <knome> Peyam, i'm not sure i'm following
[22:13] <poisoned_dragon> The power manager in the settings manager should help you with that, Peyam.
[22:13] <SunStar> power management is in the settings manager
[22:13] <poisoned_dragon> knome: I think he means power profiles.
[22:13] <Peyam> knome: I mean some king of Power manager. not the regular one on xubuntu becouse it isnt soo welldone I think
[22:13] <poisoned_dragon> I didn't have a problem using the power manager. :/
[22:14] <knome> if you don't like the xfce power manager, there's always the gnome one
[22:16] <David-A> Peyam: (off topic) right-click on background for a program menu is not a new thing, it is a very old concept. (maybe even from before you were born)
[22:17] <Peyam> David-A: Still like it. Im new to xubuntu as you know my old dear freind
[22:20] <David-A> Peyam: if you install a program in the software center or synaptic or with a .deb, you can uninstall with software center or synaptic. if you install a windows program (.exe) it is run in wine, and you shuld be able to uninstall with the add/remove programs menu in wine.
[22:20] <David-A> Peyam: how did you install matlab?
[22:20] <Peyam> David-A: it's an different issue. I installed matlab as an .iso file. not a .deb one
[22:21] <poisoned_dragon> For some reason, I find it easier to install downloaded debs with gdebi.
[22:22] <knome> poisoned_dragon, that works as well, they are still installed within the package management that way too
[22:25] <Peyam> knome: what do you think about POWERTOP?
[22:25] <knome> Peyam, i haven't used it.
[22:27] <Peyam> knome: how is the gnome power manager?
[22:27] <knome> Peyam, why don't you try it out yourself and see if it fits you?
[22:28] <Peyam> alwasy nice to hear other's feedback :)
[22:29] <knome> i haven't used it too much either, but i've heard there's some more options in it. i don't know if the xfce one has gotten closer lately though, it's some time since i saw anybody say anything about gpm
[22:31] <Peyam> what do you use personally?
[22:32] <knome> xfce power manager is fine for me
[22:37] <Peyam> knome: I installed startup diskcreator and I uninstalled it.
[22:37] <Peyam> it is still in my setting manager
[22:39] <knome> Peyam, file a bug.
[22:39] <Peyam> good
[22:39] <knome> (at least it sounds like one)
[22:41] <xubuntu840> I am new with linux and xubuntu. Soon, I will want to stick in a USB stick with pictures on it. How does that work in Xubuntu?
[22:42] <knome> should be no problem.
[22:43] <David-A> xubuntu840: if the device is not mounted automatically you can select it in the Places menu, and it will be mounted and opened.
[22:44] <xubuntu840> o.k. where is the "places menu'? or will that just pop up?
[22:44] <David-A> xubuntu840: there are settings what to do automatically, in Settings>Removable drives
[22:44] <w30> I need help setting my sound device in VLC for my TV card. Anyone familiar with the config?
[22:44] <graphman> Hi, Are anypeople having no graphic interface launching xubuntu since last update ?
[22:45] <xubuntu840> o.k. sounds easy. thank you
[22:45] <graphman> And no x serv launched ...
[22:45] <knome> w30, have you looked at pavuccontrol?
[22:45] <David-A> xubuntu840: I I R C there is a places menu next to the program menu in default xubuntu session. otherwise you can add a places menu wherever you want it in a panel.
[22:46] <Peyam> How do I edit Setting manager windows so it shows what I want it to show?
[22:46] <w30> knome, what's pavuccontrol and what's it doing messing with my VLC player and video card?
[22:47] <knome> w30, pavucontrol is an application to control the sound devices and their volume levels.
[22:47] <knome> Peyam, what is is what you are trying to achieve?
[22:47] <knome> *is it
[22:48] <Peyam> I want to get the rid of Startup Creator in my setting manager
[22:48] <Peyam> irritates me
[22:48] <w30> knome, VLC volume works fine except it needs the right device config name for sound in tv play
[22:48] <knome> Peyam, find the .desktop file for that and remove it
[22:48] <Peyam> really?
[22:48] <Peyam> ohh
[22:48] <knome> Peyam, yes, the settings manager icons are essentially just launchers.
[22:48] <Peyam> good
[22:51] <Peyam> cant find it
[22:51] <Peyam> where the hell is it
[22:51] <Peyam> do you know the name of it?
[22:51] <w30> knome, I tried all the possible device names in the graphic VLC audio device chooser like hw:1,0 etc.
[22:52] <Peyam> w30: what was ur problem againg?
[22:52] <David-A> Peyam: do you have the package "usb-creator-gtk" installed?  (in my old system it holds the .desktop file)
[22:52] <knome> Peyam, please watch the language...
[22:52] <w30> I need help setting my sound device in VLC for my TV card. Anyone familiar with the config?
[22:53] <Peyam> David-A: yes. but what is the name of the .destop. I have milions
[22:53] <Peyam> well go to VLC options
[22:53] <Peyam> it should be somthing there
[22:53] <David-A> Peyam: if you have uninstalled usb-creator, just uninstall usb-creator-gtk too
[22:54] <w30> Peyam, nope, nothing there that works
[22:54] <heoyea> use pulseaudio control
[22:54] <Peyam> David-A: I dont have it installed
[22:55] <w30> heoyea, ok, pulseaudio what?
[22:55] <knome> w30, see my comment about pavucontrol before.
[22:55] <knome> w30, i don't know if pavucontrol shows actual device names though
[22:55] <w30> VLC works fine in sound except it can't find a hardware device for my TVcard
[22:56] <knome> w30, have you checked if lshw shows the device?
[22:56] <Peyam> David-A: can't still find the desktop file
[22:57] <David-A> Peyam: what does this command say? (in a terminal):  dpkg-query -S usb-creator-gtk.desktop
[22:57] <heoyea> creating live usb?
[22:57] <Peyam> David-A: http://pastebin.com/YuHi0qMS
[22:58] <Peyam> jahaaaaa
[22:58] <Peyam> app-installed
[22:59] <Peyam> David-A: still there
[22:59] <w30> knome, lshw show a bunch of Conexand stuff but nothing VLC can use for a device config
[22:59] <w30> Conexant
[22:59] <bynw> Hi, I booted my computer up. And it gives me the message of Error: Unknown Filesystem with a grub rescue prompt
[23:00] <heoyea> death
[23:00] <bynw> i am currently running a ubuntu live cd in it (but irc'ing from another machine)
[23:00] <w30> TVtime uses hw:0/Line
[23:01] <w30> but that doesnot work for VLC
[23:05] <w30> If I could get a list of possible config entries, I would try them all one at a time.
[23:06] <w30> I tried a whole bunch of hw:0.0   0,1 etc. hw:1,2 whatever's
[23:07] <w30> /dev/vbi0 dev/dsp etc. nuthin' works
[23:08] <heoyea> alsamixer then hit F6
[23:08] <knome> w30, i'd both 1) google if somebody else found the solution  2) try to find support in vlc support
[23:08] <heoyea> or F2 to find other cards
[23:09] <w30> heoyea, Conexant CX8801 in F^
[23:10] <w30> F6
[23:10] <w30> heoyea, also in lshw
[23:11] <heoyea> those are the numbers to ur device
[23:11] <w30> heoyea, VLC won't accept that spelling or number
[23:13] <w30> heoyea, I been waiting 10 years for sound support in Linux, 3 or 4 more years won't hurt anything *sigh*
[23:13] <knome> w30, patches are welcome... :)
[23:14] <heoyea> has nothing to do with linux, just stuff u buy that dont support linux
[23:15] <w30>  knome, I can patch tires and blown head gaskets, software not so much so.
[23:15] <knome> w30, same here. there are other ways you can help though, and i am...
[23:16] <w30> knome, any coders out there with car trouble.....
[23:17] <knome> w30, heh. i'm referring to for example http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ :)
[23:19] <Unit193> w30: If you open advanced, select a file, doupble click on that file you can edit to alsa://hw2,1 (or something like that.)
[23:22] <w30> Unit193, I tried every combo I could think of....
[23:23] <w30> Unit193, I haven't hit one yet