=== SunStar is now known as abcdefghijklmnop === abcdefghijklmnop is now known as SunStar [06:49] Hello? [06:49] hi [06:50] I'm having an awful time trying to install Xubuntu on a computer from 2002 [06:50] any specific error messages? [06:50] It has 512 mbs of ram, and runs Windows XP just fine [06:50] where ya stuck? [06:50] I go through BIOS to load the CD up, and after about 5 minutes of the Xubuntu logo and the blue bar going back and forth [06:51] It just lapses into a black screen, and then displays a tonne of messages [06:51] All beginning with 'Starting' or 'Stopping' different commands / protocols [06:52] All have [ok] listed down the opposite side [06:52] Except for "Stopping cold plug devices" [06:53] did you take a 32bit xubuntu-cd-image for that install? [06:54] I guess the 64 bit won't boot on the pc you describe, sorry if you did that already [06:55] yes [06:55] I took the 32 bit image [06:56] That's strange then, have you tried pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 to go to a terminal? [06:58] I'll give it a shot [06:58] I just got a tonne of 'Authentication Error' messages in a stack [06:58] seems some one came across this issue befor and fixed it. this is his journey: http://stephen.rees-carter.net/thinkpad-l520-ubuntu/11-04/ [06:58] about 10 of them [07:44] Does anyone know how to change the theme to LightDM in Xubuntu? I wanna see if I can find something better than greybird. [07:47] poisoned_dragon: http://askubuntu.com/questions/75755/how-to-change-the-lightdm-theme-greeter [07:47] any xubuntu developers here? [07:48] no7870: there are always xubuntu devs here, just ask your question [07:48] I'm patient, and not a newbie linux user. I found a real problem. [07:49] here it goes [07:50] Thanks, baizon. However, I've seen that page already. It does't cover how to change the theme. It's a case of, "everything, but the kitchen sink." [07:50] I dualbooted linux with an AMD 5570 card, with a fresh install of xubuntu where it re-partitioned the drive, everything worked great, was watching youtubes, even with my usb logitech headset [07:50] then I upgraded my power supply and my video card to an amd 7870 and rebooted. xubuntu lost its sound [07:51] after googling myself to death for 3 hours and trying different things to get my sound back, I finally gave up [07:51] I reinstalled xubuntu again [07:51] figuring the default install with my new 7870 amd video card would work out [07:52] poisoned_dragon: change this line in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf : theme-name=Bluebird [07:53] no7870: i think your default sound change to your graphicscard output [07:53] So, what qualifies as a usable theme in lightdm? Does it have to be gtk3? [07:53] have you checked that? [07:53] I saw that line, I just wanted to be sure it was that easy. [07:53] I just printed that recommendation and will do that and come back [07:53] Oh, is the built in card using hdmi? [07:54] btw, I really love xubuntu developers who want to hear user feedback like this, especially late at night. it makes linux great [07:55] should I leave and try the /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf right now [07:55] could it be that simple? [07:55] poisoned_dragon: http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=5 [07:55] it boggles my mind on how video should have anything to do with sound [07:56] no7870: that was the answer for poisoned_dragon [07:56] no7870: install pavucontrol and check the settings there [07:57] I' [07:57] Sorry for the cross talk, no7870. :) [07:57] thanks :) [07:57] no7870: if your output is set for your sound card or the HDMI output [07:58] I've got 4 different computers in my office here, I'm going to reboot this machine back into ubuntu and rejoin IRC on a second machine [07:58] ok [07:58] to be honest, I'm not one to ask for help easily. :P I rather RTFM first. :) heheh [07:58] ok, brb [08:01] ok, on console #2 different computer, can you see me? [08:01] yup [08:01] ok doing reboot on computer #1 [08:03] to be honest I'm running 12.04, I know 12.10 is out, but I didn't see anything in the changelog saying anything significant that would make a difference between a raden 7870 and killing the sound from a fresh install [08:03] raden/radeon [08:04] ok booted up. right away my desktop complains about a crash about /usr/bin/blueman-applet [08:05] please send me that config edit again [08:05] oh wait, I printed it sec [08:06] I was told: [08:06] Still not finding info specific to themes in lightdm, baizon. It's just going to have to be trial and error. [08:07] going to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf [08:07] I just know that the theme lightdm uses is based on gtk3 [08:07] So, I'll have to find those kinds of themes. [08:08] changing theme-name from Greybird-lightdm to Bluebird [08:09] I don't want Bluebird. [08:09] rebooting [08:12] no, still dead. :( I can give root access to my machine while I figure this out. the weird thing is that lsamixer sees my usb headset fine, just Xfce is oblivious [08:12] anyone willing to SSH in and take a peek? [08:17] you shouldn't really do that [08:17] I know [08:17] :( [08:18] just weird how a fresh install of 12.04 xbuntu with a radeon 7870 kills sound [08:19] I'm on a limb. I've helped a lot of other ppl other ways. just looking for someone interest in xubuntu who is a developer looking to see whats up [08:19] you're right though Myrtti [08:19] I wish I could help, but my Xubuntu install uses an intel chip. [08:20] but to be honest, doesn't it seem weird that sound issues change with a different GPU [08:20] that doesn't make sense to me [08:20] I've avoided using Linux with an AMD or Nvidia chip, in order to make installation and use easy. [08:20] It depends on where you were getting your sound from, no7870 [08:21] on the taskbar up top, I see a speaker with three dots, it's unavailable [08:22] I meant hardware wise. [08:22] no7870: radeon and sound issues, could it be that sounds are pushed to hdmi? [08:22] Is it a separate sound chip with a headphone port, or is it hdmi? [08:22] but if I go into the terminal and run alsamixer, I can choose F6 and pick device 1 = Logitech USB Headset [08:22] I had that issue with some radeon at one point [08:23] Its a USB headset with its own built in sound device apparently logitech is good that way [08:23] no7870: yeah, you have to find a way to disable hdmi sound entirely quite possibly in order to it work properly [08:23] that was my experience anyway [08:23] true. my dmesg said "too many HDMI devices" -- think what you are saying is close that [08:23] I thought HDMI was strictly video -- apparently not [08:24] I have onboard integrated HDMI and now the 7870 brought 2 more [08:25] No, HDMI pipes video and audio. That's why when you plug it into a tv, there's no set of audio cables to connect. [08:25] interesting. its the HDMI thing that might be getting in the way here. never thought of that [08:25] at least now I have an idea of what might be happening now. thanks a lot [08:26] alsamixer at shell isn't confused, just xfce is [08:27] For the longest time I thought it was user error, but after a fresh install, I now know its the distribution not coping with today's hardware correctly [08:29] hdmi is quite often integrated these days on motherboards. Add a Radeon 7870 with two HDMI ports, and xubuntu 12+ can't take it [08:30] let me post my dmesg so you can see it [08:30] If you put in an add on graphics card, how is the onboard chip not disabled? [08:33] Take a look here: [08:33] http://www.scpz.com/dmesg.html [08:34] 2/3 down the scroll you'll see xubuntu complain about too many HDMI devices [08:35] neat error. bad for the user though [08:36] too many HDMI devices = NO SOUND IN xfce [08:38] :( [08:38] grin [08:38] now we understand each other. :)) [08:38] I'm sure it's not an issue with xfce alone. [08:39] you're going to be right on that [08:39] It sounds like any DE would suffer as a result of that error [08:39] yup [08:39] If anything, it's a failing of Alsa. [08:39] Or..... [08:39] I pulled my hair out for 3 hours, and I finally gave in and said, I can't figure this one out by myself [08:39] Have you tried testing the output through alsa alone? [08:40] If it works in alsa, it might be a pulse audio thing. [08:40] not exactly sure how to do that. would it mean having an mp3 on the disk and playing it some how from shell? [08:42] btw, alplay -l shows all the audio devices and usb headset is listed as card 1 [08:44] Um... I think the aplay command, in terminal, could assist you. [08:45] you can test an interface with a sound file. [08:46] please take one more look at this, and scroll to the bottom of the page [08:46] http://www.scpz.com/dmesg.html [08:48] all I want is xfce is to use card 1: [Logitech USB Headset] as the default sound card [08:48] the OS sees it. Xwindows can't. argh. === john__ is now known as __j0hn__ [08:50] in the audio mixer, there's a green circle, with a check mark, next to each audio interface. Which ever input/output you want to use, you have to click that circle next to it. [08:50] Do they show up in the audio mixer? [08:50] define in detail how you get to the "audio mixer" [08:50] with xfe [08:50] xfce [08:51] the sound icon in your notification tray of your panel. [08:51] click on it and select sound settings [08:51] Thats my nemesis. I see it, and it looks like a speaker on the left that has three dashes next to it [08:52] if I click it, it becomes depressed, and does nothing [08:52] if I right click it, it says Move, Remove, or panel [08:52] the notification is dead weight at this point :P [08:53] btw, when my amd 5570 was installed before, I did do that, and I was able to choose between speakers and my usb headset and it worked perfectly. so I understand the importance of that system tray notification icon [08:54] Though I know what you mean by depressed, it still sounds funny at a glance. [08:54] LOL [08:54] So... lets recap. [08:54] Things were fine until you installed a new graphics card, right? [08:55] btw, I admire your persistance, thank you for that [08:56] yes, the default install of xbuntu 12.04 with a different graphics card which was an AMD 5570 worked fine [08:56] The HD5570 was an add on card, or an internal card? [08:56] I swapped it out for a 7870 and ever since then I can't get sound with a fresh install [08:56] the HD5570 on the same board was a separate card [08:56] Ah, ok. [08:57] I think I have an integrated HD 4250 on this motherboard [08:57] the motherboard itself is a M4A89GTDPRO/USB3 [08:57] with an integrated HD 4250 [08:58] and I know how my situation can quickly become annoying and I apologize for that [08:59] Are you using the open source drivers for your video and sound? [08:59] its just new to me how upgrading a GPU can break xubuntu [08:59] well I did take proprietary drivers before directly from AMD on the last install [08:59] i know that the AMD drivers dont work on that card and HDMI wont work [08:59] The last install with the HD5xxx card? [09:00] but this install I'm completely opensource drivers named fgrl or whatever they are called [09:00] AMD considers the HD 2x, 3x and 4x, series legacy and are no longer supporting them [09:00] the fglrx wont work on that card unless you go back to Xubuntu 11 [09:00] the 4250 [09:00] don't care about the 4250 [09:01] His HD4xxx chip is the integrated chip. When you install a PCIe card, it disables the onboard chip. So, that's a non issue. [09:01] oh [09:01] * SunStar runs away [09:01] I don't even care much about the 7970 either [09:01] I mostly care about stop stealing my youtube video sound with my logitech usb because of a video driver issue [09:01] ...to put it bluntly [09:02] Maybe you should try the catalyst drivers for your HD7xxx card. It might resolve your audio issues. [09:02] did that [09:02] Oh. :( [09:02] actually sec [09:02] will give you the reveal on that [09:02] hold on [09:02] little blue bird top left corner [09:03] actually I'm not that far in this particular install [09:03] last time I had AMD catalyst. [09:03] this is just a default install and reformat of the xbuntu partition [09:04] last time I did this, the catalyst stuff recognized the card fine, but I still had no sound [09:04] hmm [09:04] it looks like it is going to be a kernel issue [09:04] with "too many HDMI devices" [09:05] and we all know, when the kernel can't cope, nothing works [09:05] Does the HD 7xxx card also have hmdi? [09:05] it has two [09:05] and my integrated motherboard has 1 [09:06] so I have 3 total [09:06] The one on the MB is irrelevant, I hope. [09:06] I'm learning how to love alsa but hate xfce [09:06] If installing the new card doesn't disable hdmi audio on the motherboard, you might have to kill it in the bios. [09:07] well I'm on a separate terminal right now, let's see if I can do that..sec [09:09] ok, I got into something on the bios, it says 890GX configuration as the internal graphics configuration [09:10] AMD 880 HD Audio is already disabled. hmmm [09:10] Then it does get disabled automatically. [09:11] ohh got one here. "HD Audio Azalia Device [enabled]" in the bios, gonna disable that before reboot [09:12] k [09:12] That should be the analog output [09:12] I dunno if it'll have an effect. [09:12] booting... fingers crossed ... [09:13] nope. no difference. but if I remember correctly linux really doesn't care about the bios like Windows does... [09:15] it just seems to weird how linux command shell can see everything but Xwindow and xfce is so stumped [09:15] I wish I were more helpful, but I don't use any hardware with hdmi. So, it's difficult for me the wrap my head completely around it. [09:16] you've given your best stab at it poisoned_dragon, and that's nice of you to give it your best shot [09:16] I'm gonna reboot and try and shut off more in the bios right now [09:16] k [09:18] I got one weird thing to configure in bios and I don't get it myself [09:18] it says this: [09:18] Primary Video Controller: [09:18] there is 4 choices: [09:18] GFX0-GPP-IGFX-PCI [09:19] GPP-GFX0-IGFX-PCI [09:19] PCI-GFX0-GPP-IGFX [09:19] IGFX-GFX0-GPP-PCI [09:19] I ssume most of these with IGFX means "integrated Graphix" [09:20] so I'm going to select the PCI one [09:21] yeah [09:21] it's the order in which to find graphics cards [09:23] didn't work. I'm giving up for tonight. this is the price you pay when you buy leading graphics cards on the market. but to be fair, the 7870 has been out since 2011 so I'm still 2 years ahead of ubuntu development [09:23] whatever. :( [09:23] heh [09:23] I'm sleepy too. It's 5:23am here [09:24] Actually, it might be the price you pay for buying AMD/ATI. [09:24] Nvidia has issues too, but I hear fewer complaints. [09:24] Still, this is an audio issue, until we prove otherwise. [09:26] gnite, and thanks a million. :) [09:26] just walking beside me through this problem was plenty of help, it really was [09:26] sleep tight, gnite [09:27] and BEST of all, I didn't have to give ssh + root access to my machine LMAO [09:28] bye everyone. l8r [11:02] Hello! Xubuntu won't install for me. It boots up to the screen that says Xubuntu 12.10 and has the 4 dots, then blackscreens. [11:02] Can anyone help? [11:03] No installer or anything [11:07] hello, is it possible to customize right click behavior on titlebar? actually i want to disable window moving, i only want window manager menu with right click, like any other window menager [11:09] john__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1105162 [11:19] baizon, thank you for the quick response, but this is not what i want, i mean, for example in kwin and metacity, whatever... when i press right click on title bar, i get the window manager menu, while in xfwm i have to press and then release the right click to get this menu [11:20] it's just because in xfwm when you press right click on titlebar it moves the windows, that's why i'm asking if it is possible to disable this, i want to get window manager menu when i press right click and not when i release it [11:20] john__: #xfce or #xfce-dev would be the best channel to ask this i think [11:20] the same happens in xfdesktop [11:21] it's not a major issue of course, just a bit annoying behavior :) [11:22] yes, but it's xfce related i think. You can write a bugreport [11:25] Can anyone help me with Xubuntu not booting up to the installer? [11:25] Only gets to the part with 4 dots and text saying Xubuntu 12.10 [11:26] yes it is xfwm issue, and as I saw there is no option in xfce4-settings-editor to disable this [11:28] i'd say it is unlikely for this to be "fixed", but feel free to file a bugreport in the xfce bugzilla [12:08] ok, thank you guys, i'll file a bug report for this, keep up the good work, xubuntu is getting better with every release! bye [12:08] thanks, and enjoy [12:28] Why is everyone ignoring me -.- Asked over an hour ago, no response. [12:28] Xubuntu won't boot up from the live CD, not launching the installer at all [12:29] delocaz, did you (1) verify the iso with md5sum and (2) check the cd for errors? [12:29] not knowing an answer looks like ignoring from your side. They aren't the same though. ;) [12:29] cfhowlett, I have no idea how to do that :) I used the Windows Disc Burner thingy and checked the Verify Disc option. [12:30] delocaz, no worries. I'll send you the md5sum link. checking the disk for errors comes up once cd boots ... oh, right. [12:30] !md5sum|delocaz, [12:30] delocaz,: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [12:30] delocaz, and the reason why is that bad downloads happen to good people [12:34] cfhowlett, no, MD5 sums matched... [12:35] Both are bd87be6626efa4ebf7678f5e2c942b57 [12:35] delocaz, good. so NO boot? are you sure the bios is set to boot the cdrom? could the cd drive itself have failed? [12:35] delocaz, optionally, have you considered making a USB rather than a cd? [12:36] It boots, and as stated above, says "Xubuntu 12.10" and the 4 dots that change colors appear [12:36] Then black screen [12:36] delocaz, ah, I missed that ... and I have a possible solution [12:36] !nomodeset|delocaz, [12:36] delocaz,: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [12:37] delocaz, the mode setting on graphics card can cause precisely the error you experience. try the mo mode set options as a workaround [12:37] Oh, so that's what the little keyboard = man is for! [12:37] Let me try that... [12:38] :P) [12:40] Doesn't react to keypresses... [12:40] Still "boots up" as normal [12:41] try again to get the options menu [12:46] cfhowlett, for some reason the keyboard only recieves power after that little picture goes away... [12:48] delocaz, come over to #ubuntu and present this issue. pretty sure someone can walk you through it [12:48] okay [13:06] Okay... I changed it to nomodeset, and it booted up, flashed a cursor for half a second, then went black. [13:06] Then flashed a cursor again, then went black [13:08] delocaz, keep it in #ubuntu [13:09] Okay [13:17] st [13:18] delocaz, usb keyboard ... no internal keyboard? [13:22] anyone ever tried Cannabis Energy Drink? [13:22] http://www.cannabisenergydrink.com/ [13:23] !ot|jacklk, [13:23] jacklk,: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [13:23] jacklk: you're really not doing well. [13:24] Myrtti: i know lollllllllllllllllllllllllllll [13:25] !ops [13:25] Help! Channel emergeny! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - gnomefreak, cody-somerville, TheSheep, Myrtti, Pricey, knome, charlie-tca, bazhang, ikonia, Flannel, elky, mneptok, Pici, pleia2, Unit193 or astraljava! [13:25] no [13:25] bah [13:25] sorry for being slow [13:26] oh, hello Tm_T, long time no see, recall seeing you a year ago or a couple [13:27] gry: can't be that long (: [13:37] hi i have a question... Do any of you use the new nvidia 319 drivers with xubuntu 13.04? [13:39] you could ask in #ubuntu+1 [16:30] !ciao [16:30] ciao [16:30] !list [16:30] Ester: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». [17:22] hey baizon, I figured it out. [17:24] hi [17:25] hi [17:25] i have a problem with a video acquire card [17:25] video capture scheda [17:26] how can I tell if it is installed? [17:26] um... if you do lspci in the terminal, it should show up in the list. [17:26] But, I don't know if that means there is a driver loaded for it. [17:27] ok.. i see now.. [17:27] give me a second [17:27] !details [17:27] Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [17:27] Can we have them? [17:28] (We need our own Supybot in here) [17:29] 03:0f.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) 03:0f.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) [17:29] It took ubottu that long... [17:30] i have more of this message [17:30] i read on card.. the model [17:32] i return in 5 minutes .. turn off the pc [17:32] .. sorry.. see you later [17:41] Hi [17:41] Yo [17:42] Can someone help me? i'm at a friend's house trying to make his old computer work for a while longer with xubuntu, but I'm having some trouble. [17:42] basically, there's no way to watch youtube videos without problems. Firefox plays the video right but without sound and chrome has sound but has super jerky video. [17:43] !anyone [17:43] A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [17:43] Super jerky? [17:43] slow [17:43] Can you [ lspci ] it for me? [17:44] sorry, I don't lnow what that means. Is lspci a command? [17:44] know* [17:45] Yes [17:45] Anything I type within [ ] is a terminal command. [17:45] okay [17:46] here's the output from lspci: http://pastebin.com/0gzjjXm4 [17:51] hello? [17:51] Sorry, I cross multiple *buntu channels [17:52] no problem, just wanted to know you were stlll online [17:52] I didn't quit or part the channel :) [17:53] Just mention my name and it'll show up in blue on my client [18:01] Discordian93: So it's an Intel 915G integrated. [18:14] {ATT 2: No response from query} Discordian93: So it's an Intel 915G integrated. [18:14] hi [18:15] sorry [18:16] SonikkuAmerica: So, can something be done? [18:16] Well... I would say a new GPU is in order... but that isn't possible. So not that I know of. [18:19] I have a 965 and thank God every day it works 'cuz it ain't supported by anything or anyone anymore. [18:19] yeah, thought so [18:19] Noproblem, we've just bought a new computer [18:19] I'm even surprised that Google fixed Pepper Flash 11.7 for it to work on Chrome for 965s [18:20] Seems no more use can be squeezed from this dusty pentium 4. [18:20] Lubuntu maybe, but not with that GPU. [18:21] okay, thanks for the help. Bye! [19:53] bonsoir [19:53] je suis nouveau sur xubuntu et mon pc ram je comprend pas pourquoi [19:54] !fr | lacrim [19:54] lacrim: Nous sommes désolés, mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. === Guest73389 is now known as TITAN77 === TITAN77 is now known as titan77 [20:28] Can I install 13.04 beta while preserving /home even though it isn't on a separate partition (default Ubuntu partitions)? [20:29] back it up, reinstall, then recover it from backup [20:30] you should make a backup anyways [20:31] well i guess I will just do a backup and this time make sure /home is in a separate partition so it won't be a problem in future upgrades [20:31] make sure to leave some extra space on your system partition, in case you need to install some more programs [20:32] i'm thinking 25GB for / just in case [20:32] I have 500GB [20:32] sounds good [20:34] do i need any more partitions other than / and /home? I have 4GB ram [20:39] Carlinhos: you dont "need" any partitions except /, but I would recommend a little swap. [20:39] Carlinhos, if you like organising stuff into multiple partitions then yeah. Hard disks i think support upto 4 then any additional ones become virtual [20:41] I just want a separate /home so those 2 should be enough. I'm thinking about a swap one in case I want to hibernate. [20:42] actually you can put swap in a file [20:42] with 3.x kernels it's as fast as a partiion [20:43] Carlinhos: I think ubuntu have removed the option to hibernate, leaving only the suspend option - wich i think only suspends to disk, not RAM [20:43] I can make/delete a swap file after instalation right? [20:44] (with a msdos partition table, there are max 4 "primary" partitions, beyond that one can have an "extended" partition that is a placeholder for "logical" partitions) [20:44] Carlinhos: yes [20:45] David-A, ah that's it [20:45] Then I guess it will be 25GB / and the remaining will be /home [20:46] Carlinhos: if a swap file instead of swap partition, remember to have enough space for it in the / partition [20:46] Hmm good point [20:46] (is there any real performance penalty for swap "file", compared to swap "partition"?) [20:49] I've just been told I need a partition in order for hibernate to work. [20:54] Then again, I never use hibernate so the additional space would probably be more useful. [21:01] David-A: no penalty in the recent kernels [21:05] For future referemce, if you want to customize the color scheme in LightDM, for Xubuntu, just use GTK3 themes from Gnome-look.org [21:09] Took me forever to figure that out. === v1adimir is now known as kgb [21:40] Hi [21:40] Anything new in 13.04? and worth to upgrade [21:40] the changes in xfce is not so big I hert [21:41] MFP support, I guess [21:41] I never thought to look. [21:41] if you have an android device [21:41] there's always new things. if it's "worth" upgrading depends what you think is worth, but if you are on 12.10, you should upgrade. [21:43] knome: couse of the LTS? [21:45] They have Gimp installed [21:45] Which I hate anyway [21:46] Why hate gimp? [21:46] * TheSheep looks towards #xubuntu-offtopic [21:46] Peyam, 12.10 is not LTS, and you have no other upgrade path than upgrade to all releases up to 14.04. after that, LTS->LTS is possible too. [21:46] * TheSheep wiggles his eyebrows [21:46] I menat 13.04 sir [21:46] Peyam, you can always remove gimp. [21:47]