[00:08] <valorie> have you seen this? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/fix-skype-not-working-in-ubuntu-1304.html?m=1
[00:08] <valorie> quem: ^^^
[00:23] <quem> valorie: no, thank you
[00:26] <quem> valorie: yeah, that fixed it, sorta... thank you again.
[01:12] <bent> hello! if I install Ubuntu 13.04 beta now and then do dist-upgrade after release, will I have (for all practical purposes) the same system?
[01:41] <wilee-nilee> bent, all dist-upgrade does is install in the release your in. A regular update will have you equal to the release.
[01:44] <valorie> bent, yes, that
[01:44] <valorie> s what I generally do
[01:44] <valorie> if I've tested the beta, anyway
[04:27] <markmcb> anyone having intermittent network outages (or possibly just ssh outages … i'm headless) with 13.04? it keeps dying on me anytime i begin to ramp up net traffic
[04:46] <markmcb> do digging a little deeper, I see this in auth.log: sshd[1247]: Received signal 15; terminating
[04:46] <markmcb> what would be sending sshd signal 15?
[04:47] <markmcb> it immediately restarts
[04:47] <markmcb> but it's super annoying as it results in a short outage
[06:58] <kanliot> how do i report a bug against the driver for usb audio, it's cutting out after an hour or 2
[06:58] <kanliot> ?
[07:23] <murlidhar> hi all .i am getting errors when i do sudo apt-get update
[07:23] <murlidhar> what should i do ?
[07:25] <murlidhar> anyone?
[07:26] <kanliot> ask in #ubuntu
[07:26] <kanliot> also
[07:27] <kanliot> make a note of the exact error
[07:27] <murlidhar> i am on raring ringtail.
[07:31] <valorie> murlidhar: the exact error message is needed
[07:32] <valorie> if it's long, please pastebin it
[07:32] <valorie> !pastebin
[07:32] <murlidhar> seems to be ppa problem. purging the ppa to see if it helps valorie
[07:35] <murlidhar> voila.
[07:35] <murlidhar> it now works :$
[07:41] <geomyidae> Hey, does the installer still fail magnificently with a btrfs raid setup?
[08:02] <exalt> hello yesterday i accidently removed most of /dev/*, when i rebooted my system gave an error. a few times later it worked again like nothing happend how is this possible ?
[08:05] <valorie> exalt: reading over http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/dev-fs.html -- it would seem that your system recreated those files
[08:05] <valorie> when you look now, do you see the files?
[08:05] <valorie> it seems rather risky to remove part of your system files like that
[08:10] <exalt> valorie: yea it was a mistake when i tried to create a livecd from my harddisk loil
[08:10] <exalt> lol*
[08:11] <valorie> oops
[08:11] <valorie> I guess all's well that ends well
[08:55] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:36] <Ian_Corne> Lol, i seem to have lost my sources.list
[10:36] <Ian_Corne> anyone else?
[10:49] <Voro2> still have it here
[10:49] <Voro2> say, did they change gnome-session-properties somehow? It only shows a few items now, doesn't seem nearly complete
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> for me that gives startup programs
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> and that's it
[10:58] <Voro2> Ian_Corne, well at some point in the past I could for example stop file managers from other desktop environments from starting that way, but they're now no longer listed there
[10:58] <Voro2> its title also says 'extra startup programs', as if there's another list
[11:00] <Ian_Corne> well, I guess there's the default list?
[11:00] <Ian_Corne> and for me it says: "Startup Application Preferences"
[11:00] <Ian_Corne> not extra
[11:00] <Ian_Corne> Ubuntu one is not on the list, but it does startup when I log in
[11:00] <Voro2> might be the dutch translation but that'd be weird
[11:01] <Voro2> running 13.04?
[11:01] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[11:02] <Voro2> ok maybe my adding/purging gnome-ppas screwed up stuff, I'll keep looking :p
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> :)
[11:05] <Voro2> thanks for thinking along
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hey penguin42
[11:34] <penguin42> Hey BK, how goes?
[11:35] <BluesKaj> ok here , and you ?
[11:36] <penguin42> good
[11:39] <Dark_light> I'm trying out 13.04 with yesterday's build but I'm econuntering a few hiccups
[11:40] <Dark_light> 1- on the livecd if I try to use apt-get to install any software it's unable to locate the packages
[11:40] <Dark_light> 2- the installer hangs pretty much at the beginning
[11:44] <Dark_light> anyone?
[11:45] <lordievader> Dark_light: You are using Ubuntu? I think you have not forgotten to run apt-get update?
[11:46] <Dark_light> lordievader: I've ran it and it runs fine
[11:46] <Dark_light> however that's the lesser of the two problems if it's limited to the live session , the biggest one is not being able to install
[11:47] <lordievader> Dark_light: True, I agree, however I have no idea on how to debug your second problem...
[11:48] <lordievader> Dark_light: Perhaps they can tell you in #ubuntu-devel.
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Dark_light, can you open any webpages on the live cd using a browser?
[11:49] <Dark_light> yep
[11:49] <Dark_light> I'm on the live cd right now on irssi
[11:50] <Dark_light> so the connection is not the issue
[11:50] <BluesKaj> odd , then apt-get should work
[11:51] <BluesKaj> did you try the package manager , Dark_light?
[11:51] <lordievader> Dark_light: Does apt-cache work? For example apt-cache search apache?
[11:53] <Dark_light> I've tried enabling universe and now apt-get seems to be working ok although I didn't know stuffs like htop were in universe
[11:53] <lordievader> !info htop
[11:54] <Dark_light> well then that was my fault
[11:54] <Dark_light> but still the installer just hangs
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Dark_light, I had the same problem , it's a bug on 64 bit amd systems ... I installed 12.10 then did a ,  do-release-upgrade .d , from there to insatll 13.04 , there was no other way for my hardware to be recognized by the the installer /ubiquity
[12:00] <Dark_light> it seems to be a locale issue from /var/log/installer/debug
[12:00] <BluesKaj> not all 64bit amd , tho
[12:11] <Dark_light> BluesKaj: or a permission issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707491/
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Dark_light, then  your issue is different then mine , the live cd won't even boot into the desktop here.
[12:13] <Dark_light> BluesKaj: oh it didn't here either if I choose the default boot option
[12:15] <BluesKaj> the no acpi or any of the others didn't work either
[12:15] <Dark_light> I just choose to boot on of the other options can't remember which one
[12:20] <BluesKaj> unfortunately the devs don't seem to be able to fix the problem or it's so rare that they aren't taking it seriously because it's regarded as an anomaly, Dark_light , perhaps file a bug on your issue.?
[12:43] <mnk> hi all - anyone know how I can get the indicator thingy for dropbox on ubuntu 13.04 64 bit? I have installed and reinstalled dropbox but I just can't get the thing working. Dropbox itself is syncing etc - but just no indicator
[13:13] <BluesKaj> mnk, is dropboxd script in system settings/startup
[13:26] <mnk> BluesKaj, how can I find that out?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> open system settings > startup , look for a daemon called dropboxd , not sure exactly how it looks in unity/gnome , mnk
[13:32] <mnk> yes it is in start up
[13:32] <mnk> dropxbox is actually syncing fine
[13:32] <mnk> i just can't see it in the notification thingy
[13:34] <BluesKaj> mnk, ok ,well then it's working . I'm not sure how to get the icon to show in the system tray on ubuntu/unity panel. I'm a kde user , it just shows up.
[13:35] <BluesKaj> unless you need a reboot
[13:41] <mnk> rebooted already a lot of times
[13:47] <BluesKaj> and you ran the dropbox GUI installer
[13:47] <mnk> yep
[13:47] <mnk> but where it says restart nautilus i did that but nautilus never restarted
[13:47] <mnk> so I had to just open File Manager (nautilus)  from the unity launcher and it just restarted fine
[13:47] <mnk> but dropbox didn't do anything after that
[13:48] <mnk> but I know the files are syncing fine
[13:48] <BluesKaj> it didn't take you thru the steps to join dropbox and ask about the account etc ?
[13:49] <mnk> nope
[13:49] <mnk> i already have the db settings though probably cos I have been using db for a while
[13:53] <mnk> BluesKaj, I tried installing and uninstalling a number of times - same problem
[13:58] <BluesKaj> mnk, is .dropbox-dist in your /home dir ?
[13:59] <mnk> yep
[14:00] <mnk> $ ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd
[14:00] <mnk> Another instance of Dropbox (10853) is running!
[14:00] <BluesKaj> mnk, try ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd , in a terminal to see if the gui will start or the icon shows up
[14:01] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:01] <mnk> ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd
[14:01] <mnk> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "overlay-scrollbar"
[14:01] <lordievader> Dropboxd, will not start a gui.. its the daemon.
[14:01] <mnk> that's after killing the one that was running
[14:02] <lordievader> You need the dropbox executable.
[14:03] <mnk> $ ~/.dropbox-dist/dropbox
[14:03] <mnk> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "overlay-scrollbar"
[14:03] <mnk> and it didn't open up the indicator thingy either
[14:03] <mnk> btw thanks for your help peeps! really appreciate it
[14:04] <BluesKaj> odd the gui will usually start if the daemon fails '
[14:04] <mnk> I think the daemon is actually running - but it's just the indicator that isn't showing up
[14:05] <BluesKaj> ]yes , the icon fails to load in the panel due to that gtk error
[14:05] <mnk> hmm interesting
[14:05] <lordievader> mnk: I think you should investigate on how to fix that gtk error.
[14:06] <mnk> ok
[14:06] <mnk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/overlay-scrollbar/+bug/1134202
[14:06] <BluesKaj> mnk, are you using any fancy themes ?
[14:06] <mnk> naa default one
[14:06] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:07] <mnk> should I install overlay-scrollbar?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> dunno :) ...probly worth a try
[14:08] <mnk> overlay-scrollbar is already the newest version.
[14:08] <mnk> lol
[14:10] <BluesKaj> updated or upgraded lately?
[14:10] <mnk> new install
[14:10] <BluesKaj> still
[14:11] <mnk> 13.04
[14:11] <mnk> 64 bit
[14:11] <BluesKaj> always update and upgrade a new install
[14:11] <mattwj2002> when is 13.04 being released?
[14:11] <mnk> yeh i've done all the updates and upgrades
[14:11] <BluesKaj> doesn't mean up to date , mnk
[14:12] <mattwj2002> final I mean
[14:12] <BluesKaj> 10days to 2 weeks mattwj2002
[14:12] <mnk> mattwj2002, 25th April I think
[14:12] <mattwj2002> sweet
[14:14] <mnk> anyone here running dropbox on ubuntu 13.04 64 bit?
[14:15] <kvarley> I can't install r8168-dkms on 13.04 here is the error messages & log http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707761/ Any ideas?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Installation of the r8168-dkms package will disable the in-kernel r8169
[14:18] <BluesKaj> module. To re-enable r8169, the r8168-dkms package must be purged
[14:19] <BluesKaj> kvarley, no ethernet connection with your existing nic ?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> driver
[15:17] <mnk> any other ideas about dropbox app indicator?
[15:30] <Cheri703> I just got an email from someone and it says "via canonical.com" asking about 13.04 beta2. I have NO idea why this email would come to me, nor how to solve their problem.
[15:32] <thiebaude> I got a question, when playing a movie  vlc opens then it closes, any ideas why? on ubuntu 13.04
[15:33] <BluesKaj> thiebaude, are you choosing vlc to open the video?
[15:33] <thiebaude> yes
[15:33] <BluesKaj> Cheri703, did you register with ubnuntu or canonical recently ?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> er ubuntu
[15:34] <Cheri703> nope, been an ubuntu member for quite some time, but no idea why what looks like a general support email would come to me
[15:34] <IdleOne> hmm
[15:34] <penguin42> Cheri703: via a forum?
[15:35] <Cheri703> I wouldn't think so?
[15:35] <Cheri703> I'd have thought it'd indicate forum?
[15:35] <Cheri703> and I have nothing to do with 13.04
[15:35] <Cheri703> I'm using xubuntu 12.10 right now
[15:35] <BluesKaj> thiebaude, only a particular video or all of them ?
[15:35] <penguin42> difficult to know without seeing the headers/footers - or you could just ask them where you got the address
[15:35] <Cheri703> ohhhhh, weird
[15:36] <Cheri703> when I went to forward it, I saw the bit that had been hidden. "this message was sent by launchpad by <person> using the "contact this team's admins" link on the Ubuntu-Women Team page" -_- what the heck?
[15:36] <thiebaude> all the netflix dvd's i have tried, use to not have this problem, before it would play them with no problem at all
[15:36] <IdleOne> Cheri703: I would say ignore it. probably just some email bot spam thingy
[15:36] <Cheri703> why the heck would someone email the admin of u-w about a 13.04 question?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> maybe it's mistake and it was sent out to all ubuntu members instaed of a certain group
[15:37] <penguin42> Cheri703: Don't assume that people do sane things
[15:37] <IdleOne> sometimes people go on launchpad and click the email team button looking for support
[15:38] <IdleOne> you can either ignore it, or point them to this channel or the forums/askubuntu.com
[15:38]  * Cheri703 forwarded it to IdleOne so he can deal with it ;)
[15:39] <smartboyhw> :O
[15:39] <BluesKaj> thiebaude, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:39] <smartboyhw> IdleOne, the Ask Ubuntu guys won't support a pre-release (a.k.a. 13.04)
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Cheri703, probably divert to the Forums then.
[15:39] <thiebaude> ok BluesKaj i'll do that, thanks
[15:40] <IdleOne> Cheri703: that person was in here yesterday asking the same question. I guess they got impatient and went around emailing everybody they could.
[15:40] <Cheri703> ah, lovely
[15:40]  * IdleOne deletes the email because they already know about IRC
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Cheri703, people DO get impatient.
[15:50] <hutch> Hi I have a problem with rtl 8723 wifi driver. (Signal keeps dropping). Any way to boost it. It wasn't production ready in 12.10 but is included in 13.04
[15:55] <hutch> It doesn't cut out so no major issue just want to boost it if poss
[15:55] <wilee-nilee> hutch, Never seen a booster.
[15:56] <wilee-nilee> hutch, If you just watching the icon it is not really accurate, if you are not loosing a signal fahget about it.
[15:58] <hutch> ok np I'll wait for upgrades. I used it in Mint 14 as well before and it was dropping to 30%
[16:00] <hutch> In 12.10 Ubuntu I was getting system errors with it but they've stopped in 13.04 :)
[16:06] <MonkeyDust> dang! I miss F3 dual view in nautilus
[16:11] <MonkeyDust> whyever has it been left out
[16:48] <kvarley> BluesKaj: Sorry for the massive delay. Yeah I do have a net connection with the currently module but it hangs at times and is slower than expected.
[16:48] <packetfrog> Has anyone used the daily raring server build?
[16:50] <packetfrog> I keep getting unmet dependencies when installer tries to install kernel
[18:02] <Dark_light> How usable is 13.04 at this stage?
[18:03] <bazhang> roughly two weeks from release
[18:03] <bekks> Dark_light: As a beta, it is not usable for production yet.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Dark_light, usable as a home user here
[18:05] <Dark_light> well I can deal with the occasional bug but I'd need something that  is stable enough not to crash xorg or become unbootable
[18:06] <Dark_light> afterall at two weeks away from release I hope most of the critical bugs have been sorted out
[18:07] <Dark_light> or am I wrong?
[18:07] <BluesKaj> no gurantees at this stage , if you have a back up OS then by all means try it
[18:07] <bazhang> hard to say
[18:08] <Dark_light> one more question, I haven't used *buntu distro in a while, If I install a beta and just keep it up to date I should end up with the final release without hiccups right?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:08] <bazhang> yep
[18:08] <bazhang> !final | Dark_light
[18:11] <Dark_light> ok thank you
[18:11] <bazhang> np
[20:29] <Dark_light> How'd you install 13.04 the installer keeps hanging on me
[20:29] <FernandoMiguel> Dark_light: tried another build?
[20:30] <wilee-nilee> Dark_light, You checked the disc integrity, and or the md5sum
[20:30] <Dark_light> wilee-nilee: it's a known issue I don't have the link to the bug report at hand but it's easy to find googling
[20:32] <Dark_light> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1080701
[20:38] <Dark_light> I managed to get past that
[20:39] <Dark_light> just a question to stay current on a beta should I run apt-get dist-upgrade too or just update?
[20:39] <FernandoMiguel> !upgrade
[20:39] <FernandoMiguel> or is it !final ?
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> !final
[20:40] <wilee-nilee> Dark_light, The only thing I would say is that you are working on assumptions to some extent you may have a bad download.  dist-upgarde
[20:40] <Dark_light> so dist-upgrade only for the transistion to the official release?
[20:41] <Dark_light> wilee-nilee: well the bug report is there and apparently I'm not the only one I just followed a dirty fix posted there
[20:41] <BluesKaj> dist-upgrade , upgrades the installed packages , not the OS
[20:42] <wilee-nilee> Dark_light, You are still assuming in all that. ;)
[20:43] <Dark_light> wilee-nilee: well yeah I haven't made an extensive test to sort out all the probable causes but that one seems to be the most probable one I think, anyway I'm installing :-)
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> alias distupgrade='sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> I just run that everytime I login
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> been doing that for half a decade
[20:44] <Dark_light> I've never used a *buntu or debian distro long enough to have the chance of using it hence the confusion :P
[20:44] <Dark_light> I mean using dist-upgrade
[20:46] <Dark_light> so basically dist-upgrade is used when jumping between versions even from like a beta to a rc?
[20:46] <Dark_light> sorry if the questions seems stupid as I said I have very small experience with apt-get
[20:46] <maxb> dist-upgrade should really have been named full-upgrade
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> I almost always have packages that require dist-
[20:47] <maxb> Basically it means "upgrade, even upgrade stuff if you have to add and remove other packages to satisfy dependencies"
[20:47] <BluesKaj> Dark_light:  on the same OS version, it upgrades the packages within it
[20:48] <Dark_light> ok but aren't versions "fixed" once it's stable?
[20:48] <Dark_light> or in a freeze
[20:48] <BluesKaj> Dark_light:  there are always upgrades
[20:49] <Dark_light> ok then I'll run both, thanks for the help ;-)
[20:49] <Dark_light> btw just finished installing too
[20:49] <Dark_light> rebooting brb
[20:49] <BluesKaj> you can keep a particular setup like a LTS
[20:50] <wilee-nilee> To update upgrade I run. sudo apt-get autoremove ; sudo apt-get autoclean ; sudo apt-fast update ; sudo apt-fast dist-upgrade ; dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages  this last part save the installed list
[20:50] <FernandoMiguel> fast?
[20:51] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, apt-fast calls multiple repos at once it is faster and loads the installs at the same time
[20:51] <wilee-nilee> you just choose yes or no for the install
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> AH
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> I miss the MIRROR feature :(
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> it's dead
[20:52] <wilee-nilee> I have the daily development release at the very end as well. click it and forget it, lol
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> # deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt raring main restricted universe multiverse
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> I mean this wilee-nilee
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> it would pick the best mirror for you
[20:54] <e\ectro> hey has anyone used gptsync before?  I'm having an issue getting it to see the partition i have flagged as boot.
[20:55] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, I use the main, I'm in the U.S. I have found some faster, however apt-fast would make that even faster.
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> then you get mirrors outdated and you are screwed
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> I used to pull from 3
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> now I just use a close fast one that rsyncs every hour
[20:56] <BluesKaj> apt-fast is ok , just don't use any ppas
[20:56] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, never had a problem.
[20:56] <wilee-nilee> in 5 years
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> ok
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> never hear of it
[20:57] <BluesKaj> mucked up my sources list , wilee-nilee
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> BluesKaj, How so you can get a new list easily.
[20:58] <BluesKaj> wilee-nilee:  yeah , but sometimes one forgets about ppas and I didn't know that the ppas would break the sources access
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: LOLOL backups backups backups
[20:59] <BluesKaj> anyway my sources here in Canada are pretty quick
[21:00] <wilee-nilee> I clone all my installs and rsync home, and keep most everything on externals except the OS's
[21:01] <BluesKaj> yeah , I do that with important files
[21:02] <wilee-nilee> I hate asking for help, so I'm setup to just learn from others mistakes. ;)
[21:03] <wilee-nilee> and mu own I figure out
[21:03] <wilee-nilee> my*
[21:10] <FernandoMiguel> I would love to know who messed up grub2 iso boot
[21:10] <FernandoMiguel> my 3yo DOCs are no long valid
[21:11] <wilee-nilee> when it hit the actual 2 build I saw users loosing their boot, it was funny.
[21:11] <wilee-nilee> happened once to me
[21:12] <wilee-nilee> supergrub to the rescue easy boot in a reload, rather then booting a live cd or manually booting.
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel> I used to have a daily iso and the latest stable iso plus chromiumOS
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel> and now it doesn't work :\
[21:18] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, You have them in a non os partition?
[21:18] <FernandoMiguel> on /boot
[21:18] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, I have not booted them this way, however the wiki suggests a partition just for ISO's.
[21:19] <FernandoMiguel> link?
[21:19] <FernandoMiguel> like I said, something changed
[21:19] <wilee-nilee> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#ISO_File_Location
[21:19] <FernandoMiguel> I used to be able to mount-loop them from any location
[21:19] <wilee-nilee> that info has been there for awhile, but they did update the page in march.
[21:22] <FernandoMiguel> sudo apt-get install grml-rescueboot
[21:22] <FernandoMiguel> well, let's test that. thanks wilee-nilee
[21:22] <packetfrog> I keep getting unmet dependencies when installer gets to installing the kernel    anyone have any ideas?
[21:22] <FernandoMiguel> wilee-nilee: I wrote the 1st failsafe wiki for booting grub2 from iso even before the official packaged mentioned it
[21:23] <FernandoMiguel> packetfrog: it was fine here
[21:23] <packetfrog> ;/
[21:24] <FernandoMiguel> Found Grml ISO image: /boot/grml/raring-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:24] <FernandoMiguel> done
[21:24] <wilee-nilee> ah
[21:24] <wilee-nilee> darn grub develops, lol
[21:25] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, your are not a former UF mod are you?
[21:25] <FernandoMiguel> noo, not the international ones,  no. just a loco ones
[21:25] <FernandoMiguel> from what I read, it was the UEFI changes that broke it
[21:25] <FernandoMiguel> buuu
[21:26] <packetfrog> Why oh why does raring hate me so
[21:26] <FernandoMiguel> I remember having to compile grub2 from source to get UEFI booting on our DELLS
[21:26] <FernandoMiguel> packetfrog: it doesn't hate you, it's just picky with whom are his friends
[21:26] <packetfrog> well spit on him
[21:27] <wilee-nilee> Ah, I was wondering if you were drs305 they had all the good grub stuff going on for awhile
[21:28] <packetfrog> Why would'nt the installer download something if needed it?
[21:28] <packetfrog> im confused
[21:28] <packetfrog> +it
[21:28] <FernandoMiguel> wilee-nilee: FernandoMiguel for a while now, and BUGabundo for over a decade before
[21:28] <FernandoMiguel> packetfrog: known bug
[21:29] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1080701
[21:29] <packetfrog> :<
[21:29] <packetfrog> poor little raring has a bug!
[21:29] <packetfrog> waste of a cdr
[21:30] <FernandoMiguel> ahaaha
[21:30] <FernandoMiguel> packetfrog: protip netbootme
[21:30] <FernandoMiguel> that's who I install/test dailies
[21:30] <FernandoMiguel> or with grub booting isos
[21:31] <packetfrog> ?
[21:31] <FernandoMiguel> packetfrog: ??
[21:33] <packetfrog> FernandoMiguel, That is awesome
[21:35] <bjsnider> bugabundo: a decade or borked software, and many, many bug reports
[21:35] <bjsnider> but few, few fixes
[21:36] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: and many many hours spent in here acting like a bot
[21:36] <packetfrog> FernandoMiguel, netboot.me is almost as awesome as rice   and rice is really awesome
[21:36] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: it's that attitude that led to the decline of me filing bugs
[21:37] <FernandoMiguel> :p
[21:37] <FernandoMiguel> I still have on package in the archive with my patch :p
[21:37] <FernandoMiguel> it's better than nothing
[21:40] <bjsnider> oh, you thought the purpose of reporting bugs was that they get fixed...
[21:40] <packetfrog> Are you guys friends?
[21:42] <packetfrog> bah  figures. netboot.me loads up goes black and hangs
[21:42] <packetfrog> yay
[21:42] <packetfrog> another cdr for the trash
[21:42] <FernandoMiguel> ahaha
[21:43] <FernandoMiguel> packetfrog: did you make your own package yet?
[21:43] <FernandoMiguel> I have it on a 4yo dvd :p
[21:43] <packetfrog> YAY it did something this time
[21:43] <packetfrog> third time was a cahr,
[21:43] <packetfrog> charm
[21:43] <packetfrog> COOOKIES!
[21:45] <packetfrog> my own package no
[21:45] <packetfrog> i downloaded the cd and burned it like an idiot
[21:46] <packetfrog> apparently it is NOT updated at all
[21:47] <packetfrog> super lame
[21:49] <wilee-nilee> packetfrog, use zysnc on the dailies
[21:49]  * packetfrog looks at wilee-nilee blankly
[21:50] <wilee-nilee> then you will know, zync reads the iso\ and adds updates if needed
[21:50] <wilee-nilee> zsync
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> sudo ionice -c3 zsync -i /boot/raring-desktop-amd64.iso -o /T/raring-desktop-amd64.iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> here's another protip for you guys
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> packetfrog: that's the beauty of it
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> you make your own receipt and give the ID on  boot
[21:52] <FernandoMiguel> no more need to change the CD
[21:52] <packetfrog> While I am sure that all makes sense to you but it does not to me.
[21:52] <packetfrog> :)
[21:52] <FernandoMiguel> RTMFM?
[21:52] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[21:52] <wilee-nilee> lol
[21:52] <packetfrog> Fuck your self?
[21:52] <packetfrog> Rude pricks
[21:53] <FernandoMiguel> let's avoid faul language
[21:53] <packetfrog> Lets avoid being a prick.
[21:53] <FernandoMiguel> for real, just create an account
[21:53] <FernandoMiguel> create a receipe
[21:53] <packetfrog> I am not asking for an explanation
[21:53] <FernandoMiguel> and boot from it
[21:53] <wilee-nilee> packetfrog, Don't take things personally I was loling at FernandoMiguel and now you are in ignore.
[21:56] <packetfrog> Reading the manual is very helpful, when I know wfm I am looking to read. Was my point.
[21:56] <packetfrog> I do not know if you are talking about netbootme
[21:56] <packetfrog> or my messed up ubuntu iso
[21:56] <packetfrog> or santa
[21:56] <packetfrog> thanks anyway. I wont be coming here again
[21:58] <FernandoMiguel> wilee-nilee: I used to have a very long and complex setup to get, md5,  and boot images, 32/64, flavours, cd/dvds
[21:59] <FernandoMiguel> Read /boot/grml/raring-desktop-amd64.iso. Target 37.9% complete.
[21:59] <FernandoMiguel> that's just sad :(
[22:00] <wilee-nilee> yeah
[22:01] <FernandoMiguel> I need a bigger SSD.... not enough space in /boot/grml to put a nightly of chromiumOS
[22:01] <FernandoMiguel> I should write a wiki page on my swap over LAN setup LOL
[22:01] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, I bought a 256 gigger run nicely
[22:01] <wilee-nilee> runs*
[22:02] <FernandoMiguel> waiting to get a new job to upgrade my NAS and the SSD should come afterwards
[22:02] <FernandoMiguel> need ~1k€ for the NAS and drives alone
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> financila aid here,
[22:02] <FernandoMiguel> ?
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, financial aid for grad school.
[22:03] <FernandoMiguel> AH
[22:03] <FernandoMiguel> brb
[22:03] <FernandoMiguel> rebooting to test grub with the new changes
[22:03] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[22:04] <FernandoMiguel> if I don't come back, either I screwed it or pidgin is crashing again
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> well that worked. thank you wilee-nilee for the heads up
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> now to fix chromium
[22:15] <wilee-nilee> cool
[22:23] <MikeRL> I cannot believe what the computer just did. I ran e4defrag -v / thinking nothing significant would be found, but then it said 9% fragmentation. The fragmentation did not go down after a defrag. Call it a nervous habit from Windows, but I'm glad I checked. Is this some sort of bug? But then the fragmentation rating is a 3. What's going on?!? This is funny. I've never seen this on any Linux install of mine before.
[22:27] <maxb> I've never bothered to assess my ext3/ext4 fragmentation
[22:27] <MikeRL> I don't get it either. It's probably a bug. What could have caused it. I've never seen it before. And this is not a lie.
[22:29] <MikeRL> What could cause this anomaly?
[22:30] <maxb> Why would you care?
[22:30] <jtaylor> is your disk almost full?
[22:30] <MikeRL> Is 9% bad enough to cause slowness? No it's not almost full.
[22:30] <MikeRL> Maybe it's just one large file that cannot be defragmented.
[22:33] <MikeRL> Yeah I've used Linux for years (since Ubuntu 9.04) but I just don't understand this. Is there anything that could produce a high fragmentation percentage with a low fragmentation score?
[22:35] <MikeRL> I don't care if it's one large rarely used file, but if it's a bunch of files I might have a problem.
[22:43] <jtaylor> what was the full output of your e4defrag run?
[22:43] <MikeRL> Hold on for a sec, I'll copy and paste it to dropbox. Give me 30 sec.
[22:43] <MikeRL> Oops.
[22:43] <jtaylor> pastebinit is probably simpler
[22:43] <MikeRL> OK.