[06:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[06:32] <dwatkins> moin moin
[07:46] <kvarley> Does this ( http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_opensource_uvd&num=1 ) mean I can now game using open source AMD drivers?
[08:28] <popey> Morning
[08:28] <zleap> morning
[09:01] <SuperMatt> ahoy
[09:44] <kvarley-live> I'm currently on the 13.04 installer
[09:45] <kvarley-live> Just clicked to continue on the 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen and it's not doing anything but apparently loading
[09:54] <kvarley-live> For anybody else who bumps into this, it's this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1080701
[10:09] <popey> bah
[10:09] <popey> resorted to using windows today as the wifi is just unbearable
[10:21] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: hows the face?
[10:21] <popey> looked really bad
[10:21] <SuperMatt> time to get my code on, yo!
[10:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning  popey
[10:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> It hurts. A lot
[10:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I will take another piccy in a mo. Bruising quite nicely now :-)
[10:22] <popey> ☹
[10:22] <popey> hah, glad you're in good spirits about it
[10:23] <popey> tbh when I fell over at the maltings when buying this years beerex tickets I thought I'd be injured more than I was
[10:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> It looks worse that it really is.  A few scratches and bruises but nothing broken.
[10:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> You fell over before the beer ???
[10:23] <popey> yeah, at ~6am
[10:23] <popey> the set of steps near the bridge, on the maltings side
[10:24] <popey> i was standing on the brickwork looking to see how long the queue was
[10:24] <popey> missed footing fell (rolled) down the steps
[10:24] <popey> john said it looked like i might stop at some point, but no, i kept on rolling
[10:24] <popey> plenty of bruises under my clothes but nothing too bad, and no facial/head injuries
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[10:25] <SuperMatt> how do I update my current bzr check out to the latest revision?
[10:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> What I still can't work out about this is how I was so drunk without having drunk that much (for me) and I didn't have a hangover from hell yesterday...
[10:27] <popey> bzr pull
[10:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can't remember anything about the afternoon after listening to Gareth Edwards speak. But at the point I'd probably only had 2 pints of bitter and 3/4 of a bottle of wine.
[10:27] <popey> crikey
[10:28] <SuperMatt> ta
[10:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> I do wonder if there was some spiking going on...
[10:28] <Myrtti> I've Had the reverse
[10:29] <apacheuk> quick question, I've been messing around with python/quickly and built a simple little app.... created a ppa and everything is hunky dory.... I've just installed 13.04 on my laptop, how do I get the ppa built for 13.04? Or do I have towait til its officially released?
[10:29] <Myrtti> hangover from hell after one .33l can of 4.7% cider
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> apacheuk: submit a package with "raring" in the debian/changelog (and probably another version number.. :)
[10:30] <Myrtti> but not being drunk at all
[10:30] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: looks much better
[10:30] <popey> now you can open your eye!
[10:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes!
[10:30] <apacheuk> MartijnVdS, cheers.... guess I have some reading to do :)
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.jaren90muziek.nl/data/eslqkyxy/front.jpg
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: qu'est ce que c'est
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: The cover of a single from the 90s.. your pic reminded me of it :)
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh I see.
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> (it's "happy hardcore".. *shudder*)
[10:40] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: has anybody offered information on what happened?
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: Well, my mate Roger who brought me home said I had just fell over a few times - the last one using a car door mirror and my face to slow me down...
[10:42] <bigcalm> Ouch
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> argh!
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> shotwell won't show its main window
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> But my mind's a blank really - which is odd. Because I have a reasonable capacity for alcohol and in reality I don't think I'd drunk that much
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> well. it's trying to but no contents
[10:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> And I had no hangover to speak of yesterday.
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: the only time I've had memory loss was when I got a concussion from being hit from behind while bicycling
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: could it be that you hit your head *that* hard?
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - I guess so.
[10:51] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: seeing a doctor and getting a scan wouldn't be a silly option
[10:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> My wife has been suggesting the same thing. But apart from an aching face I feel fine.
[10:53] <bigcalm> So I managed to get nut working with my Belkin UPS. What's odd is that the current load is 0. How can this be?
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: nothing's attached to it?
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: power is still on, so the battery is not "loaded"?
[10:53] <StevenR> bigcalm: either, nothing is connected to the UPS, there's a rounding issue, or the software is wrong
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> (note: OR not XOR)
[10:55] <bigcalm> I'm visiting my parents this weekend, so I can't poke things right now. But I'm fairly sure I plugged into the UPS the extension block connecting the cable modem, router, micro server and desktop
[10:56] <bigcalm> http://discworld.cuth.eu/ups/
[10:58] <StevenR> bigcalm: how big a UPS is it?
[10:59] <bigcalm> StevenR: domestic device: http://www.belkin.com/us/support-product?rnId=672
[11:03] <StevenR> bigcalm: ok, I'd expect to see a load of around 25-35% (for the kit you describe above - I'm estimating a little there), so it's probably not a rounding error... which suggests either there's nothing plugged in, or the driver/software can't read that value from the UPS (which is odd, because it's getting lots of other data from the UPS)
[11:06] <bigcalm> Odd indeed. I guess I'll have to play more when I get home
[11:11] <bigcalm> The UPS itself might be fudged
[11:11] <bigcalm> I had to replace the batteries. Maybe I killed something in the process
[11:14] <StevenR> bigcalm: you can't put fudge in a UPS. That'll definately affect the load reading ;)
[11:14] <bigcalm> :)
[11:30] <kvarley> Just got 13.04 installed ... Wow, Ubuntu never ceases to amaze me
[11:30] <popey> that bad huh?
[11:30] <kvarley> Had a bit of trouble installing (known bug), then needed proprietary drivers for Unity to become usable and there is a bug with the drivers at the moment but I've patched it up.
[11:30] <kvarley> popey: No, it's good :)
[11:30] <kvarley> Getting more and more usable all the time
[11:33] <kvarley> Is turning off "Record Activity" and "Include online search results" all I need to do to maintain my privacy?
[11:34] <popey> depends how you define privacy
[11:34] <popey> use tor, don't use google, use an adblocker.. etc
[11:36] <kvarley> popey: I mean, some people said the online search results raise privacy issues. I was just trying to disable those features. Admittedly I do use Steam and closed source drivers tho
[11:37] <popey> read more about it than just what "some people say" imo
[11:38] <kvarley> Ok, I mean as far as I can tell they're complaining because it's on by default. Couldn't a toggle be included in ubiquity to make them happy?
[11:39] <popey> no, because it wouldn't make everyone happy
[11:39] <popey> "them" implies there's one big group
[11:39] <popey> there isn't
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> especially the design team
[11:40] <popey> there's a load of individuals who have differing opinions
[11:40] <popey> (most of which don't use ubuntu and probably never have, and probably never will. e.g. RMS)
[11:40] <kvarley> Oh, ok. Well I've been round the block of other distros to see what the alternatives are and none of them compare to Ubuntu or XUbuntu
[11:43] <kvarley> The animations on 13.04 are absolutely gorgeous, it feels like a whole different OS
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: animations?
[11:45] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Minimizing windows, tiling windows, opening windows, etc :)
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> I don't see a difference?
[11:47] <kvarley> The tiling animation and minimize are different from 12.10
[11:47] <ali1234> that stuff is animated?
[11:48] <kvarley> ali1234: Transitions are animated right?
[11:48] <ali1234> not on my computer
[11:48] <kvarley> Oh
[11:48] <ali1234> because i use nvidia and the frame rate is too low for them to be visible
[11:48] <kvarley> Ah, I'm on AMD FGLRX
[11:48] <ali1234> but openarena runs at 6 million FPS
[11:48] <kvarley> heh
[11:49] <kvarley> afk
[11:49] <penguin42> kvarley: I thought there was now a big toggle that they had added specifically for the privacy switches
[11:58] <ikonia> kvarley: you mentioned earlier that you had to use the propritary drivers as if it was a "bad thing", did you expect the open drivers to power your card sucessful
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: it works like that on intel :)
[12:05] <ali1234> i constantly hear from AMD fanboys about how they are so much better than nvidia because "they open sourced all their drivers"
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: amd fanboys are not smart people, I guess?
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> (this is implied in the word "fanboy", I guess)
[12:08] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: he's not using intel though, so I was curious to his expectation on ati
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> well there _are_ free ati drivers
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> and AMD has just released some new video decoding stuff under a free license
[12:09] <ikonia> ali1234: I doubt the people claiming ati are better because they are open are fanboys...just ill informed
[12:12] <kvarley> ikonia: I use the proprietary drivers because I have to in order to get good performance. Ideally GPU vendors would open source everything
[12:13] <ikonia> kvarley: I appreciate you "had" to use it, however you spoke of it as a negative thing
[12:13] <kvarley> ali1234: I only like AMD because it's the best performance per £. I know Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs outperform AMD on just performance. I'm not a fanboy of AMD, I buy whatever brand is best for my needs
[12:13] <ikonia> or like you expected to be able to use the open driver
[12:13] <ikonia> intel out perform ATI ?
[12:14] <kvarley> ikonia: I just mean that I'd have hoped the performance would have been better with the open source drivers but obviously that isn't down to the driver developers but AMD for keeping FGLRX closed source
[12:14] <kvarley> ikonia: I said AMD. Intel CPUs generally out-perform AMD's
[12:15] <ikonia> ahh cpu
[12:15] <ikonia> ATI=AMD, I thought you where still referencing gpu
[12:19] <kvarley> Well ATI are no more no, just AMD isn't it?
[12:20] <ikonia> yes, re-directs to AMD
[13:05] <kvarley> Is there an easy way I can limit Steam's download speed?
[13:10] <magpie> steam?
[13:10] <kvarley> magpie: Doesn't have an option as far as I can see
[13:10] <magpie> there's a way to limit your download speed in general i don't know the method for a specific program
[13:11] <magpie> what is steam?
[13:11] <magpie> maybe if you linked the command to the PID
[13:12] <magpie> you could do it that way
[13:20] <kvarley> I have the realtek 8168 chipset but the current kernel module that is loaded is 8169 - why?
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: because chip manufacturers sometimes have a bunch of chips with different numbers that are different in details only
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> so one driver is written
[14:17] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: What seems to be the issue he is it's loading one module because it supports a lot of chipsets but the chipset I'm on isn't fully supported by it so I'm getting poor performance. I'm trying to build the module manually, run into some errors (I'm on 13.04) so I'm asking in #ubuntu+1 thanks anyway :)
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> uhhh
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> manually building modules is almost never the answer :)
[15:13] <Myrtti> achievement unlocked: went to Hobbycraft, didn't buy yarn.
[15:14] <penguin42> what did you buy instead?
[15:17] <Myrtti> watercolours, and a Tala jam canning kit
[15:17] <Myrtti> latter was twice the price that it would have been in another stores but oh well.
[15:17] <Myrtti> I made a special effort to not Amazon every product I saw there with my phone.
[15:18] <penguin42> haha
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: next challenge: one day without a phone
[15:57] <penguin42> wth are people offering OLD scsi drives for $100 on amazon
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: not ebay?
[15:58] <penguin42> I've just pulled a 1G and 4GB SCSI drive out of an old case I've had sitting here for years, and looked up the drive numbers on line, and  found offering prices of over $100
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I'm seeing £167 for "72Gb hot-plug serial SCSI HDD"
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> but wow.. scsi :)
[16:00] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I think they're circa 97
[16:00]  * MartijnVdS wonders if it'd be worth it to put the old 350D up for sale somewhere
[16:00] <stgraber>  /win 41
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> stgraber: /lose ;)
[16:00] <stgraber> ;)
[16:00] <penguin42> 350D?
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS_350D
[16:00] <penguin42> ah
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> ooh! there's a chdk version for it
[16:05] <penguin42> a what?
[16:08] <bigcalm> penguin42: open source camera firmware
[16:09] <penguin42> ah neat
[16:09] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I have a 350D, my neice really wants it - then I got a mywi card for it, which means I don't need to plug it in (it's technically unsupported, but seems to work)
[16:10] <dwatkins> That reminds me, I must check it's still working.
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> eye-fi you mean?
[16:10] <dwatkins> oh yeah, sorry
[16:10] <dwatkins> getting confused between wifi devices
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> too many "-fi" names!
[16:12] <shauno> I didn't know the eye-fi cards came in CF ?
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> shauno: cf-to-sd adapters exist
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWaF1vePqUE
[16:17] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Just reading the chdk stuff - neat
[16:17] <shauno> interesting, I had no idea  (and ditto on chdk)
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> magic lantern will blow your mind then ;)
[16:18] <shauno> didn't expect that one because I believe SD cards are serial/usb, and CF is ATA/IDE
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> shauno: SD cards use a very simple protocol. It's easy to build a tiny chip to translate reads/writes
[16:19] <penguin42> shauno: But CF cards are huge compared to an SD, plenty of room to put a micro in a converter
[16:19] <penguin42> shauno: http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/28850789/680800863/SD-Card-to-CompactFlash-Card-Adaptor/ListingDetails.html?_%24ja=tsid:13315|cat:28850789|prd:28850789&ef_id=Rv5QOWfVyg4AAAcR:20130414161909:s
[16:21] <popey> seems disabling 802.11n has "solved" my wifi woes.
[16:21] <dwatkins> shauno: indeed, I have a CF-SD adapter for my 350D, it's specifically stated as being unsupported on the eye-fi site, but mostly seems to work
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> popey: that used to be the "Fix" on 2007-8 era Intel wifi as well
[16:22] <dwatkins> hmmm, at least it did...
[16:23] <dwatkins> flibbertyjibbet, it's not uploading new photos anymore
[16:26] <dwatkins> strange, the card thinks it's tomorrow morning... aha, now it's trying to upload images
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: *whistles Doctor Who theme*
[16:26] <dwatkins> hehe, spoooooky huh?
[16:27] <dwatkins> I'm looking at my DHCP leases file, and the last one is at epoch time 1365999607, has the eye-fi's name and that's Mon Apr 15 05:20:07 BST 2013
[16:27]  * dwatkins wonders if this is dnsmasq's fault
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "date" on the dnsmasq machine
[16:29] <dwatkins> root@ubuntu-eee:~# date
[16:29] <dwatkins> Sun Apr 14 17:29:21 BST 2013
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> looks OK
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> isn't it the lease _end_ time?
[16:29]  * dwatkins moves the camera closer to the router
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> now + 12 hours?
[16:29] <dwatkins> oh is it?
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> just wondering
[16:30] <dwatkins> bingo - it wasn't getting a strong enough wifi signal
[16:30] <dwatkins> probably something to do with my camera being made of metal ;)
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> and your hands of mostly water, blocking 2.4GHz signals quite effectively ;)
[16:31]  * dwatkins considers keeping the Linksys WRT54G he's currently installing so his brother can throttle his kids' youtube usage ;)
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: WDR4300 + OpenWRT ;)
[16:31] <dwatkins> haha, it was just sitting on the bed, but there are a couple walls between me and the router, and a sofa or two
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: get 600 mbit 802.11n, AND throttling
[16:31] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I havn't done anything like this before, I was thinking of using the Tomato firmware, but if there's a Better Way, I'm all ears
[16:31] <dwatkins> (as much as one can use one's ears on IRC)
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I'm running OpenWRT on mine :)
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> You can get it from their site, or compile it yourself for flexibility
[16:32] <dwatkins> looks like a nice router
[16:32] <dwatkins> I bought a WRT54G off e-bay to try this out with.
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> (I disabled the web interface, ssh + vi ftw ;))
[16:33] <dwatkins> yeah, I tend to administer the above-mentioned server mostly via ssh.
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> this has twice the flash (8MB instead of 4) so you get a bit more space to install stuff
[16:33] <dwatkins> nifty
[16:34] <dwatkins> That can be my next project, I'll use my brother's router as a learning experience.
[16:34] <MartijnVdS> make sure you read the openwrt wiki page for the router before flashing
[16:34] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: does it lose all the settings when flashed? I configured the wifi of the linksys I'm about to setup for 192.168.3.0/24 since I already have another 192.168.1.0/24 network
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it loses settings if you flash a different "kind" of firmware
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: (openwrt -> tomato, or tomato -> dd-wrt, etc.)
[16:35] <dwatkins> I assume this Linksys just has the default firware on it, looks like it from the web-interface.
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> but openwrt can save settings over a reflash using the "sysupgrade" command-line tool (and/or the "Upgrade" functionality in the LuCI web interface)
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> then first make sure which firmware to get from the wiki :)
[16:36] <dwatkins> yeah, I bought a specific version of this router so it's well supported, v2.0 iirc
[16:37] <dwatkins> Linksys Firmware Version: v2.02.7
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start#linksys :)
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: linksys firmware version doesn't really matter
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: if the wifi chip in it is new enough, it can even support multiple wifi networks at once
[16:40] <dwatkins> thanks MartijnVdS, will have a look
[16:40] <dwatkins> I'm tempted to use the Tomato firmware if its nice and easy to use - my brother doesn't want to have to learn all about the comand line just to change his daughter's bandwidth ;)
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: OpenWRT comes with an easy to use web interface, "LuCI"
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it can do QoS/bandwidth management as well, if you install the right package(s) (also from the web interface!)
[16:41] <dwatkins> haha the newest release is called "attitude adjustment"
[16:41] <dwatkins> cool, thanks
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yeah they're all named after cocktails.. "Kamikaze", "White Russian"< "Attitude Adjustment", "Barrier Breaker"
[16:42] <dwatkins> I'm a bit concerned at this: On modern OpenWRT, brcm47xx that supports a linux 2.6 kernel, the luci web interface is so slow that sometimes the watchdog timer restarts the router.
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: hmm.. I haven't noticed that yet
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it's not like that on the WDR4300 ;)
[16:43] <dwatkins> yeah, i guess better specs help
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> it has a way better CPU
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> and more RAM
[18:32] <ali1234> what tool can plot data with variable time step?
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: rrdtool?
[18:32] <ali1234> wrong answer
[18:33] <ali1234> rrdtool requires that the data has a fixed time step
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> you can backdate data points and skip data points
[18:33]  * dwatkins suspects gnuplot might be able to plot all sorts of things
[18:33] <ali1234> that isn't helpful at all
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> yeah if gnuplot can't plot it, nothing can :)
[18:33] <ali1234> the way rrdtool works is if you have a gap in the data it just plots nothing
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: you can make it plot the last-known value
[18:34] <ali1234> if i have readings taken at 1, 2, 3, 10 then i have two choices: i can have a graph with timestep 10 that shows only the readings at 1 and 10
[18:34] <ali1234> or i can have a graph with timestep 1 and a large gap between 3 and 10
[18:35] <ali1234> you can't make it plot the last known value because it won't even store it
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I suspect graphite (http://graphite.wikidot.com) can do it
[18:36] <ali1234> does it run on command line and is packaged in ubuntu?
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: you send it messages over some simple MQ thing
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> graphite-carbon - backend data caching and persistence daemon for Graphite
[18:37] <ali1234> MQ?
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: message queue.. it can do rabbitmq
[18:37] <ali1234> i have a text file with lines like: date,value
[18:37] <penguin42> variable step seems actually quite hard
[18:37] <ali1234> i want to plot them into a png file
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> oh you can do a simple text protocol as well
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> ah
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> libgd 8-)
[18:38] <penguin42> anyone any good with gephi?
[18:38] <ali1234> using a command line like "plot -o stats.png data.txt"
[18:39] <penguin42> ali1234: It might be worth looking if there is a python graphing library?
[18:41] <ali1234> there is pylab
[18:41] <ali1234> it's kind of overkill though, and also it makes very ugly charts
[18:41]  * penguin42 is currently having the problem with the other type of graphs
[18:43] <dwatkins> I keep meaning to look into flotr2: http://humblesoftware.com/flotr2/
[18:46] <ali1234> http://matplotlib.org/examples/api/date_index_formatter.html \o/
[18:47] <dwatkins> nice
[19:32] <ali1234> matplotlib need x11 and gtk installed
[19:45] <mungbean> evening fans
[19:45] <popey> BARK BARK BARK! mungbean BARK BARK!
[19:47]  * mungbean gives popey a doggie treat
[19:47]  * popey belches dog breath at mungbean 
[19:47] <brobostigon> ewww
[19:48] <mungbean> tomorrow i will embark on ubuntu openstack testing/learning. is 12.04 image still the latest for cloud servfer?
[19:49] <popey> i believe all the important bits are backported or in PPA's yes.
[19:49] <popey> Daviey knows more
[19:49] <popey> also https://twitter.com/DailyLinuxSteam/status/323523248983797760 lots of games in steam
[19:49] <popey> was 25 on release, now ~170 odd
[19:50] <mungbean> grrr baby fell asleep 10ml into a 120ml bottle
[19:50] <diplo_> heh seems normal mungbean
[19:50] <mungbean> all that screaming over nothing
[19:50]  * diplo_ thinks someone will be woken up later
[19:50] <diplo_> :D
[19:55] <mungbean> bieber lol
[19:55] <mungbean> kids today eh
[19:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:05] <mungbean> watching the LAS owncloud 5 review
[20:05] <mungbean> realised havent watched las for over a yea r
[21:08] <mungbean> quiet here, is there something great on telly im missing?