[00:16] <lderan> knome, how does this look http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706406/
[00:19] <Unit193> Hrm, he didn't change it so it said "Created by Meetingology"?  That's alright.  He may or may not be sleeping, it  is 3am his time.
[00:19] <knome> mmh, right.
[00:19] <knome> Unit193, hah, i'm still here!
[00:20] <knome> lderan, personally i think the action items are useless (you only need the "by person" really)
[00:20] <Unit193> lderan: You have a place you're slapping the code?  I think I have a clone of meetingology.
[00:20] <lderan> Unit193, yeah i have it running locally
[00:20] <knome> lderan, hmm. i'm wondering about the subtopics
[00:21] <knome> lderan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PasiLallinaho/MeetingologyOutput
[00:22] <knome> lderan, see how that turns out in moin?
[00:22] <knome> actually, that's fine
[00:22] <lderan> ah okay 
[00:22] <knome> nvm that.
[00:22] <knome> i was wondering that it was weird that the items not under a subtopic appeared at the same level as the subtopics
[00:23] <knome> but it's not
[00:23] <knome> another idea is to make the subtopics bold
[00:23] <knome> that would probably make them stand out enough
[00:23] <knome> also, another thing i'm generall wondering about
[00:24] <knome> the main topics do not have times, so why should the subtopics (or the items?!)
[00:24] <knome> people may disagree about that, but for me, having the times for each item is just overhead
[00:24] <lderan> can agree with that
[00:24] <knome> and i don't think it matters too much who "posted" them
[00:25] <knome> what about... (just a sec
[00:25] <lderan> if you wanted to know the time the chat log has them
[00:26] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PasiLallinaho/MeetingologyOutput#preview
[00:26] <knome> something like that, maybe?
[00:26] <knome> i mean the times for topics are fine, because that allows you browsing the logs quickly if you are looking for some particular discussion
[00:26] <lderan> should be much of a do to do that
[00:27] <knome> i'm not even sure if the minutes are necessaru.
[00:27] <knome> s/u/y/
[00:27] <knome> err
[00:27] <knome> seconds :)
[00:27] <knome> or just...
[00:27] <knome> (again, sec)
[00:29] <knome> another idea added at the wiki
[00:29] <knome> the time is a bit obtrusive on the title though
[00:30] <knome> or just s/@/at/
[00:31] <knome> whatever you think is good
[00:31] <knome> that's just minutiae
[00:31] <knome> it's great to get the output fixed generally
[00:31] <knome> (thanks! :))
[00:31] <lderan> no problem at all
[00:32]  * lderan goes to find where it generates the string (nick time)
[00:32] <knome> mhm
[00:36] <pleia2> knome: see my comments about the size of screenshots?
[00:36] <knome> pleia2, yes.
[00:36] <knome> pleia2, i read it, but i didn't read it.
[00:36] <pleia2> haha
[00:36] <knome> pleia2, i'm fine with the articles as they are though
[00:36] <knome> pleia2, i can boot up my vbox if you want me to take more/new shots
[00:37] <pleia2> yeah, so for like http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/marketing_magazine/xubuntu-taskmanager.png I think we want it cropped just around the task manager
[00:38] <pleia2> and the task manager should maybe be made smaller, so people can actually read it once it's shrunk
[00:38] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/marketing_magazine/taskmanager.png ? :P
[00:38] <knome> that was already there!
[00:38] <knome> but i can take a shot of an even smaller one
[00:38] <pleia2> yeah, a bit smaller would be good
[00:38] <knome> ok
[00:39] <knome> just tell me what you want me to do and i'll do it as you say
[00:39] <pleia2> like xubuntu-adjusting-sound.png I think we can just crop it around the dialog itself
[00:40] <knome> but!
[00:40] <pleia2> smaller and cropped xubuntu-autostart.png too
[00:40] <knome> that's a shot for that and the soundmenu.
[00:40] <pleia2> it's going to be impossible to read when shrunk for the magazine
[00:40] <knome> "read" ?
[00:40] <knome> it's an image...
[00:41] <pleia2> the images have words on them, mute, sound settings, etc :)
[00:41] <skellat> Apply Gaussian Blur for good measure just in case :-)
[00:41] <knome> heh
[00:41] <pleia2> otherwise they all look like "desktop with some blurry tool"
[00:41] <knome> wait
[00:41] <knome> you stupid :P
[00:41] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/marketing_magazine/pavucontrol.png
[00:42] <pleia2> that one is fine
[00:42] <pleia2> I'm talking about the control from the panel
[00:42] <knome> i'll take a new one with more action though
[00:42] <knome> so, then?
[00:42] <pleia2> bah
[00:42] <pleia2> I can just do the cropping
[00:43] <knome> okay.
[00:43] <pleia2> did we change the default wallpaper?
[00:44] <pleia2> (I'm running beta2 and it's still the 12.10 one)
[00:44] <knome> yeah...
[00:44] <knome> or,
[00:44] <knome> we're in the progress
[00:44] <pleia2> ok
[00:45] <knome> that should've happened already ages ago, but it slipped my monitor back then
[00:45] <pleia2> hehe, monitor
[00:45] <knome> heh
[00:45] <knome> that
[00:45] <knome> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhTM9-55bI0
[00:46] <skellat> pleia2 knome I still haven't seen anything on #ubuntu-release that the new xubuntu-artwork has gone in yet.  It is the weekend, though, so perhaps we might see it Monday or Tuesday.
[00:47] <knome> skellat, micahg promised he could do that upload
[00:47] <skellat> Alrighty
[00:47] <knome> skellat, we need the upload for the shimmer-themes bug too, and that's a bit more kinky
[00:47] <skellat> I know
[00:47] <knome> skellat, i'd really like mr_pouit handling it, because he knows how to do it and it'd take him much less time than for anybody else
[00:47] <skellat> ubuntu-sponsors have been pinged so it is past what I have rights to do within the current infrastructure
[00:48] <skellat> Where has mr_pouit been lately?
[00:49] <pleia2> knome: we using bar photo or uds room photo? and did you want to crop the knome presentation photo or should I do it? (evil laugh!)
[00:49] <knome> oh, i should do that
[00:49] <knome> :P
[00:49] <knome> just a sec as i upload these shots
[00:49] <knome> skellat, living his life?
[00:50] <skellat> knome: :-)
[00:50] <knome> pleia2, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/marketing_magazine/
[00:50] <pleia2> ty <3
[00:50] <knome> so, let's look at the photo
[00:55] <knome> humm
[00:55] <knome> wrong channel
[00:55] <knome> pleia2, look at #xubuntu :P
[00:56] <pleia2> hehe
[00:56] <knome> yeah, it's 4am here... :)
[00:57] <knome> if you are concerned about the image still being too small, feel free to crop more from the top-right
[00:57] <knome> i'd say that the cropping on the lower left is fine now
[00:58] <pleia2> should be ok
[00:58] <pleia2> I am thinking bar pic, want to crop that one?
[00:59] <knome> sure
[00:59] <knome> if you have a link handy, that would be... handy
[01:00] <knome> but if you don't it's as much browsig for me than it's for you
[01:00] <knome> found it.
[01:00] <pleia2> :)
[01:01] <knome> i was just being lazy.
[01:02] <knome> uploaded
[01:02] <knome> or, uploading.
[01:07] <pleia2> can you make a smaller session and startup one too? :)
[01:07] <knome> urgh
[01:07] <knome> let me boot up the vbox again!
[01:07] <pleia2> :D
[01:08] <knome> i'll do it, it just takes some time.
[01:11] <knome> uploaded
[01:11] <knome> more?
[01:11] <knome> btw, did you notice my grand idea in twitter?
[01:12] <knome> you now have some screenshots to choose from
[01:12] <knome> https://twitter.com/TheSamsai/status/323088296089628673/photo/1
[01:12] <knome> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5cqDU5K5nK8/UJadbSHGk1I/AAAAAAAAA3E/pqPSvF1_qog/s891/Desktop031112.png
[01:12] <knome> https://twitter.com/vadoley/status/323079813478895618/photo/1
[01:12] <knome> https://twitter.com/clamanzi/status/323073234838896640/photo/1
[01:12] <knome> https://twitter.com/hozza/status/323057059413233664/photo/1
[01:13] <knome> https://twitter.com/ManiacTwister/status/323050236689907713/photo/1
[01:13] <knome> the one with a vertical panel (hozza) could be good for inclusion
[01:14] <knome> and probably the one with that wacky conky setup (the one in googleuser...)
[01:14] <pleia2> :D
[01:15] <knome> there was also one which i thought wouldn't be fine for inclusion
[01:15] <knome> https://twitter.com/InfiernoWorks/status/323051616188121089/photo/1
[01:16] <knome> i'm glad he opened a window at least.
[01:16] <pleia2> x_x
[01:20] <knome> so do you think we could use those?
[01:21] <knome> i would imagine the posters do not have problems with us using them, because they specifically sent them to us... but if you want, you can contact them to ask if you want to attribute them
[01:21] <pleia2> I don't think I'll bother
[01:21] <knome> or just attribute to @TwitterUser
[01:22] <knome> i think i'll retweet the ones we've chosen, just for the laughs.
[01:22] <knome> :)
[01:22] <knome> do you need something else from raring?
[01:22] <knome> i'm going to bed next.
[01:23] <knome> i don't think it's too bad if we send better pics later
[01:23] <knome> brb, brushing teeth
[01:24] <pleia2> all is good, I'm prepping these articles to send in a bit :)
[01:26] <knome> ok good
[01:30] <pleia2> doh, pavucontrol2.png is another task manager
[01:31] <pleia2> but I can retake this one
[01:31] <knome> i can too
[01:32] <knome> just a sec
[01:32] <pleia2> is ok, I got it
[01:33] <knome> ok...
[01:33] <knome> :)
[01:33] <knome> i'm shutting down vbox and the pc now then
[01:33] <knome> thanks for taking care, and see you
[01:33] <pleia2> sure, good night
[01:33] <knome> nighty! :)
[02:34] <pleia2> shipped \o/
[02:34] <pleia2> that was a lot more work than I had anticipated when we started this
[08:01] <ochosi> knome: two users 
[08:02] <Noskcaj> ochosi, how random
[08:02] <ochosi> knome: two users with the same realname will most likely still have either dofferent avatars or wallpapers
[08:02] <Noskcaj> never mind
[08:02] <ochosi> but yeah, we can think about this scenario in the next greeter-release
[12:48] <skellat> From #ubuntu-release (08:44:50 AM) queuebot: (notice) [03:46:07] Unapproved: xubuntu-artwork (raring-proposed/universe) [13.04.3 => 13.04.4] (ubuntustudio, xubuntu)
[13:48] <lderan> knome, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707741/ also have added it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PasiLallinaho/MeetingologyOutput#preview
[15:57] <knome> lderan_, shiny!
[15:57] <knome> lderan_, though i think that the meeting ending time could be grouped with the starting time/info.
[15:58] <knome> ochosi, yes, no rush with that. just something to think about (show username somewhere, since that needs to be unique)
[15:58] <knome> skellat, cool
[15:58] <knome> pleia2, great!
[15:59] <lderan_> knome, good idea
[16:01] <knome> LO in raring looks better than previously, ++ there
[16:01] <knome> (i mean the startup/load screen)
[16:02] <knome> that got some literal thumbs up from me
[16:02] <knome> bbl
[16:37] <ochosi> knome: easy and obvious way is to do "Real name (username)" in the combobox
[17:02] <lderan> knome, so something like  * #channelname: test meeting, 14:44:44 ~ 15:55:55 - 14 Apr 2013
[19:28] <knome> ochosi, or username on hover
[19:29] <knome> lderan, s/~/&mdash;/
[19:29] <knome> lderan, and "test meeting, 14 Apr at 14:44:44 – 15:55:55" is probably better
[19:30] <lderan> ok
[19:33] <lderan> so remove the channel name from it as well?
[19:33] <knome> umm,
[19:33] <knome> for my purposes, it's unnecessary
[19:33] <knome> but i suppose it can be there
[19:33] <knome> just not sure if it should be the first one
[19:35] <lderan> okay
[19:36] <knome> pleia2, d'oh! can you resend me the articles email when you get back? :)
[19:44] <knome> if somebody does upgrade tests "from image", see bug 1155167
[19:44] <knome> that bug happens at least with newly installed quantal being upgraded to raring
[19:44] <knome> and i don't see any reason why it wouldn't in any case
[19:45] <lderan> knome, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5708658/ can move the channel name easily enough
[19:45] <knome> lderan, heh, with &mdash; i mean literal "–" (without quotes)
[19:45] <knome> lderan, also, can you drop the seconds from the stamps?
[19:46] <lderan> sure
[19:46] <knome> that would be good, even easier to read
[19:47] <knome> lderan, have you shown your work to AlanBell?
[19:47] <lderan> not yet
[19:50] <knome> lderan, hmm. i suppose there wasn't any more output on the voting?
[19:50] <knome> i mean, in the channel, i remember the bot saying something like "motion carried"
[19:50] <knome> also, we need to tweak the current output as well
[19:50] <knome> if not else, we need to add a * to make the results a list item
[19:51] <lderan> it does say "motion carried" in the irc window
[19:51] <Unit193> Hrm, should bump Alan about private votes too.
[19:52] <knome> what if the subitem was "  * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained: 1/0/0) or so?
[19:52] <knome> lderan, oh btw!
[19:52] <knome> lderan, add [[ ]] to wrap the log link
[19:53] <lderan> so it'll be fulls logs at [[ url ]]?
[19:53] <knome> yup
[19:53] <knome> without spaces, i think
[19:53] <knome> not sure how moin handles the spaces...
[19:53] <lderan> okay 
[19:53] <knome> since we are this far, i'm wondering if we should link all the timestamps
[19:53] <knome> let me look at it.
[19:55] <knome> oh, that won't work without modifying the other output runners
[19:55] <knome> so nvm
[19:55] <lderan> ok
[22:18] <lderan> knome, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5709000/ done the voting bits, working on removing the seconds next but first sleep :P
[22:18] <lderan> &mdash; is accepted by moin it seems
[22:19] <knome> yeah it should, it's standard html entity
[22:20] <knome> the votes look great now
[22:20] <knome> sad meeting btw, bot said more lines than you
[22:20] <knome> ;(
[22:21] <knome> on output, "Motion deadlock" -> simply "Deadlock"
[22:23] <knome> also, if it's not too hard, the votes could show up in the summary
[22:24] <knome> (not the results, just as items like "  * Vote: Topic" (and possibly "(Carried)" or sth)
[22:24] <knome> and the votes section could then be called "Vote results"
[22:28] <lderan> sounds good to me
[22:30] <knome> good :)
[22:30] <knome> anyway, good night :)
[22:31] <lderan> aye good night
[22:40] <micahg> hrm, when are we voting on project lead?
[22:43] <knome> micahg, because the strategy document said a term is three releases when i was elected
[22:43] <knome> oh, when.
[22:43] <knome> may 1-2
[22:43] <knome> :)