dholbachgood morning06:37
jibelgood morning06:45
smartboyhwphillw, the Arandr bug was synced.10:55
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smartboyhwHello balloons14:35
smartboyhwAnd phillw14:36
balloonshey smartboyhw -- how are you?14:36
smartboyhwballoons, \o/14:36
smartboyhwphillw, did you get permission from your boss to present for Lubuntu on the QA "Release party"?:P14:38
balloonsso smartboyhw can you make a hangout at 1400 UTC for the release hangout?14:38
balloonsphillw, how did your presentation go btw?14:38
smartboyhwballoons, good question.14:38
smartboyhwballoons, should be (since it's a Friday_14:39
smartboyhwballoons, it wouldn't be good if I appear in sleeping pajamas right?14:40
smartboyhwballoons, good news from the Testdrived team.14:41
balloonssmartboyhw, lol.. no keep camera off and screenshare if that's the case :-)14:42
balloonssmartboyhw, ohh, what news?14:42
smartboyhwballoons, hahaha:P14:42
smartboyhwballoons, duh the newest e-mail on the quality mailing list:P14:42
balloonslol.. I thought you meant something else14:45
charliepurpleI'm interested in doing an upgrade testcase, but I'm not finding how to update straight from lucid to raring using the testcase paramaters (as in not editing sources.list) http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1310/info or http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1454/info15:01
charliepurpleI'm only getting the option to upgrade to 10.1015:02
smartboyhwcharliepurple, nobody does that do we!?15:10
smartboyhwAtop we only support 10.04 -> 12.0415:10
charliepurpleOh, lol, didn't know, If I remember it's coming to the end of its support, so I figured it'd be something to look into (before actually checking)15:11
smartboyhwcharliepurple, soon (for desktop)15:11
charliepurplethough I do see something about a lucid lts testsuite - I don't know anything about it, but as long as my box is running lucid I thought I'd make it useful15:13
balloonsChanServ, yes, from 10.04 you can go to 12.04 which is the next lts15:23
smartboyhwballoons, :O ChanServ!?15:23
smartboyhwcharliepurple, for 10.04 -> 12.04 we have testcases.15:24
balloonsapart from LTS to LTS you can normally only upgrade one version at a time15:24
smartboyhwNot for 10.04 -> 13.04 though15:24
balloonssmartboyhw, tabcomplete ftw15:24
charliepurpleOh okay, cool. Thanks folks. :)15:24
smartboyhwballoons, tabcomplete ftl15:24
balloonschilicuil, morning to you15:31
balloonsjust looking at your nautilus merge15:31
chilicuilballoons: hello Nicolas, good morning =)15:33
balloonschilicuil, ahh so on the merge, are you wanting sergio to add to it before it goes out? What exactly were you looking for him to do?15:48
smartboyhwballoons, I played with Testdrive to add the Kubuntu Active image15:55
smartboyhwNow I got Kubuntu Active Desktop :O15:55
balloonssmartboyhw, really?15:56
smartboyhwballoons, yeah.15:56
balloonsyou did a little hacking on the code/15:56
smartboyhwballoons, now I need to get rid of "Desktop" out of the "Active":P15:56
balloonsjackson will be happy15:56
smartboyhwballoons, I still dunno how to fix the "double entry" bug though15:56
balloonsmaybe you can add ppc for him15:56
smartboyhwballoons, that requires more coding I think.15:57
balloonssomething server side changed for that to happen15:57
smartboyhwballoons, you mean now we can simply launch ppc without probkems?15:59
balloonsno, lol.. I mean the double entry bug happened because of something server side16:00
balloonsthat's my guess :-)16:00
smartboyhwballoons, server side?16:00
* smartboyhw doesn't understand.16:00
smartboyhwballoons, hmm I get why the Active image has "desktop" to it, it IS a desktop image on cdimage.ubuntu.com (/me faints)16:01
balloonslol :-)16:04
smartboyhwballoons, done and committed and requested merge:P16:05
balloonssmartboyhw, excellent work16:05
balloonsI'm glad you are pursuing this16:05
smartboyhwballoons, :)16:06
smartboyhwballoons, I just hope that QA people have nice QA tools;P16:06
balloonsI hope it helps attract some other people to give it a try16:06
balloonssometimes you can surprise yourself ;-)16:06
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chilicuilballoons: I'm looking for the part which i18n the touch command, in the previous version it didn't work with the Sergio's desktop (spanish).., but if we don't want to wait I can look at that specific bzr version to do it by myself16:12
balloonschilicuil, ahh we used XDG directories16:13
balloonsI helped and worked with him on it.. it was fun :-)16:13
balloonsI'm not sure they are needed anymore though16:13
balloonsI missed where you wanted / needed it16:13
smartboyhwballoons: If this merge proposal really gets merged, I will blog about how we play with Testdrive.:P16:13
balloonssmartboyhw, +1. I'll talk it up too..16:14
balloonsheck, I think you've signed yourself up for a demo talk next week16:14
smartboyhwballoons: Heck:P16:14
chilicuilballoons: yep, right, we needed if we want testers can be able to run the 10th testcase, which is about creating new files in Template to see if nautilus create a submenu in the context menu with the new entry16:14
balloonschilicuil, let me look again at the case16:58
balloonsohh.. I see ok16:59
balloonsso we were having fun with  ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs17:00
balloonschilicuil, so we did fun stuff like this to pull out the directory name: cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | grep XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR |sed 's/XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR=\"\(.*\)\"/\1/'17:02
balloonsbtw chilicuil your script is SO handy.. thanks so much for making it.. Our testcases would be a mess without it :-)17:04
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chilicuilballoons: yeah, that's the command I was looking for, I'm adding it so we can merge the nautilus testcase =)17:18
balloonschilicuil, lol.. I just commented that I would wait for your changes.. it saved and boom! there they were. I'll merge this now18:17
chilicuilballoons: =P18:18
balloonschilicuil, ohhh, your expected result still assumes english locale: The Terminal returns the prompt and a new file called "Another Empty Document" is created in $HOME/Templates18:18
balloonsyou can simply say, your templates directory18:18
chilicuilballoons: yep, nice catch, I'll change it now18:19
balloonsalso, the big long string yo umade doesn't seem to do anything for locales18:19
balloonsyou still touch $HOME/Templates?18:19
chilicuillol balloons, I'll change that too18:20
chilicuilballoons: done18:26
balloonschilicuil, kk18:28
balloonschilicuil, ok looking good now18:56
balloonsI'll merge18:56
chilicuilcool, sry for the inconveniences19:02
balloonsno worries.. glad it's back in there19:05
balloonsI've been merging and playing with manual tests all day.. never a bad thing!19:06
balloonswe had a new contributor get a merge in :-)19:06
chilicuilyep I saw it, I'd like to help with automated tests, but still studying the internals and with this new job and the violin classes I almost have no free time x_x19:07
balloonsviolin eh? beautiful sounding instrument19:08
chilicuilyep =)19:09
Letozaf_balloons, Hello!20:24
balloonsNoskcaj, you about?20:51
Noskcajballoons, yeah.20:52
balloonsI was going to ask if you were interested in coding at all?20:54
balloonsI think you would find hacking on testdrive to be a pretty good project to learn a little python.. you might surprise yourself20:54
balloonsregardless I was chatting smartboyhw and I figured you'd be happy about his commit :-)20:55
phillwNoskcaj: having testdrive support PPC would be quite a major undertaking and as the virtual machines running PPC do not suffer from the 'real' bugs that they see, I'd suggest that time be best spent elsewhere on testing.21:13
phillwoh, sorry.. balloons ^^ I did mean to cc you :D21:13
Noskcajballoons, yeah, i'd be interested. do you have some webpages i can download because i will have no internet for 3 days21:14
balloonsphillw, lol..21:14
balloonsNoskcaj, the classic is to use diveintopython21:14
balloonsit's a ubuntu package even :-) But it might not make sense for you as I think it's not intended for someone who doesn't know how to program21:15
Noskcajphillw, i suggested it because i thought KVM was able to emulate specific hardware.21:15
Noskcajif not, we need netboot, kylin and gnome to be put in anyway21:15
phillwballoons: your hangout for signing up for launchpad seems some what heavily involved. did you make a 'basic' version?21:15
Noskcajballoons, my only experience is from school (one lesson on quickBASIC and 5 on python)21:16
balloonsNoskcaj, ahh.. so you have a little experience then. I would google a bit and find something you like.. lots out there for python: http://www.codecademy.com/tracks/python, and http://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/21:16
phillwNoskcaj: QuickBasic?!!! OMG, does it still exist? I loved that system :D21:16
Noskcajphillw, in year 7 that was all we learned, but only one or two lessons21:17
balloonsNoskcaj, that said in my opinion one of the best ways is to get the source for testdrive and start modifying it.. as long as you have the basics down and understand things like loops, variables, etc21:17
Noskcajthe most i've mad in python is a basic AI and a few small CLI games21:18
phillwcan be both interpreter (for debugging) and then compiled up for production. A fantastic idea :)21:18
Noskcajballoons, i'll try and learn more while i'm away21:18
phillw20+ years ago :)21:18
balloonsNoskcaj, I would encourage you to give it a whirl.. grab the source and hack21:18
balloonsif you get stuck, google it or ask ;-)21:19
balloonsyou might be surprised that the code is just code.. nothing magical about it. You might surprise yourself ;-)21:20
phillww3 school (mainly to do with coding for sites) do also recommend http://www.w3schools.eu/2012/08/the-best-way-to-learn-python/21:22
phillwit seems pretty up to date.21:22
Noskcajwhat version of IDLE should i download for it?21:23
phillwcodecall also have some good tutorials http://forum.codecall.net/ (if you search hard enough, you will some postings from me on there :P )21:23
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balloonsNoskcaj, I use geany for editing21:29
balloonsmany other folks use vim or even just gedit.. you don't have to have an ide :-)21:29
Noskcaji'll put geany on too, i just find they help with finding where you've misstyped21:30
balloonsyes.. I find geany gives me "just enough" nice things.. I've moved from loving something as big and involved as eclipse to simply hacking on the command line21:31
Noskcajbzr wont let me branch testdrive, :(21:34
balloonsbzr branch lp:testdrive21:35
phillwballoons: have you ever tried bluefish? http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/features.html21:37
Noskcajand i get the error: Permission denied (publickey).21:38
NoskcajConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying21:38
NoskcajPermission denied (publickey).21:38
Noskcajbzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.21:38
balloonsphillw, yea, not my thing21:38
balloonsI did use it the other day though :-) html stuff I sometimes use it for21:39
Noskcajballoons, i've just downloaded the tarball so i've got something to use, i wonder what the problem is21:40
phillwballoons: okies, I found it best for 'live' sites where I'm mixing xhtml / CSS / PHP and MySQL all together :)21:40
phillwmy instructor on my course swore my vim, not sure if it supports python thoguh.21:42
wxlpretty sure it does, or can, phillw21:42
balloonswxl, hello!21:43
wxlhi balloons21:43
balloonslol.. vim supports everything21:43
phillwwxl: indeed it can http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=79021:43
phillwHe hated me, as I prefer nano :P21:44
wxlphillw: actually i have another page here suggesting it not only can but does natively21:44
wxladd to ~/.vimrc --21:44
wxlsyntax on21:44
wxlfiletype indent plugin on21:44
wxlbah nano21:45
* balloons wonders how the nice channel became a vim hacking session21:45
phillwwxl: as to what vim can do, it is indeed a very powerful system Many years ago I was fluent with vi :D21:45
wxli love vi. dearly.21:45
phillwI can use it, if needed, but got used to nano.21:46
SergioMeneseshi everybody!21:47
phillwhiyas SergioMeneses :)21:47
SergioMenesesballoons, phillw wxl Noskcaj \o21:47
SergioMenesesbtw Noskcaj could you share your wiki page for testimonials :)21:47
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, told me but I dont find the link21:48
SergioMenesesphillw, how's everything?21:49
NoskcajSergioMeneses, hello. the page is wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj21:52
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, perfect! :) when is your presentation?21:52
NoskcajSergioMeneses, May 2nd21:54
SergioMenesesnice, btw I saw your small talk about testdrive, May I help you guys? What do you need?21:55
Noskcajhow big are the differences between python 2.7, 3.2 and 3.321:55
NoskcajSergioMeneses, just me trying to learn python21:55
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, sounds good21:55
SergioMenesesI want to work on bug 1162057 but I have been pretty busy these days21:55
ubot5bug 1162057 in testdrive (Ubuntu) "Testdrive has two entries per iso" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116205721:55
Noskcajand trying to get testdrive fixed, thanks to smartboyhw for some fixes21:56
NoskcajSergioMeneses, i've no idea what causes that one, probably a website issue21:56
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, maybe this can help you http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide21:56
NoskcajSergioMeneses, can i download that whole website somehow? i will have no internet for a few days21:57
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, I'm going to ask to Andres (tests-drive developer) for some advises21:57
phillwNoskcaj: edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#About_Me as you HAVE now signed th CoC :D21:58
Noskcajthanks for the reminder, will do21:59
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, I think I can share a tutorial with you21:59
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, phillw balloons look http://ubuntuone.com/29VcIxFjsI9UmJSn9o4Bk122:01
SergioMenesesit is a good python tutorial22:01
SergioMenesesbtw, that is my uone account so dont worry22:02
Noskcajinteresting, it's a ruby tutorial though22:03
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, sure my bad22:03
SergioMeneseswrong link22:03
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, balloons phillw http://ubuntuone.com/746kLfKmieiNstWg0FCaBG22:04
SergioMenesesthe right onw22:04
balloonsthe updated one :-) http://is.gd/ilr201322:06
balloonsgoogle-fu says yay22:06
SergioMenesesballoons, thanks!22:07
balloonslol SergioMeneses don't let me steal credit for your find!~22:07
balloonspretty cool he wrote the book for himself and is sharing it with others22:08
* SergioMeneses wants Coke22:09
Noskcaji've used wget to get the 3rd version of that22:12
Noskcajgoodbye everyone, i'll be back on thursday22:14
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smartboyhwballoons: Still around?23:33
balloonsmorning :-)23:33
smartboyhwballoons, morning:-) I can work on all the netboot, Ubuntu GNOME and UbuntuKylin. I am not sure I will know how to deal with PPC.23:34
smartboyhwa.k.a. testdrive23:35
balloonssmartboyhw, ahh as mentioned by phillw ppc vm testing isn't likely to be useful23:35
balloonsI can't say one way of the other, but he just mentioned it23:35
smartboyhwballoons: I would rather want to encourage Noskcaj to do PPC (if he wants to)23:37
phillwsmartboyhw: I'm not sure if there are any VM methods that run under PPC, there is a method to run PPC in VM on a amd64, but it does not suffer from the 'ppc bugs'.23:37
smartboyhwphillw: Why on earth is amjjawad suddenly joining Xubuntu BTW!;23:38
smartboyhwphillw: OK23:38
phillwsmartboyhw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64#How_to_test_on_any_architectures_.28using_qemu.2923:38
phillwsmartboyhw: possibly people have been asking for help testing xubuntu?23:38
smartboyhwYeah, the QEMU bootstrap thing.23:38
phillwI think he has just done manual re-installs of everything from 10.04 on i386 for lubuntu... I may be looking for more to test :D23:39
phillwhe's a dedicated tester once he gets his teeth into something :)23:40
smartboyhwphillw: :) How's your presentation BTW?23:42
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, is here!!!23:42
* SergioMeneses hugs smartboyhw 23:42
smartboyhwballoons: The Boston bomb accident, are you terrified?23:42
SergioMenesesbtw balloons phillw smartboyhw  look https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses/testdrive/fixCdImage/+merge/15903923:43
* smartboyhw has seen it on TV23:43
smartboyhwSergioMeneses: \o/23:43
balloonsSergioMeneses, :-(23:43
balloonslol.. fat fingered!23:43
smartboyhwAh the problem is with current/pending :O23:44
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, yes it is23:44
smartboyhwSergioMeneses thank you for fixing:-)23:45
smartboyhwNoskcaj will be super happy!23:45
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, but it is not a real bug (imho) because you can select any option and it will work23:46
SergioMenesesI think is more a design thing23:47
smartboyhwSergioMeneses which one was the default now? current or pending?23:47
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, current :)23:48
phillwanything that makes testdrive more user friendly is welcome. Re-running our classroom sessions once 13.04 will be a lot easier with the various fixes that have been applied to 13.04 system will be better :)23:48
SergioMenesesphilipballew, sure! I'm talking to Andres to fix it as soon as possible23:49
phillwI've got a dratted bug in KVM, but heh.. we can't win them all :)23:49
smartboyhwSergioMeneses: tab complete ftw:P23:50
ubot5Freedesktop bug 58574 in Driver/cirrus "pixmap regression with cirrus graphics driver" [Normal,New]23:52
* SergioMeneses has to learn more python and packing on ubuntu23:53
phillwI've also got one that really affects lubuntu only, I've asked a couple of our 'clever' people to have a look at it.23:55

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