[06:37] <dholbach> good morning
[06:45] <jibel> good morning
[10:55] <smartboyhw> phillw, the Arandr bug was synced.
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Hello balloons
[14:36] <smartboyhw> And phillw
[14:36] <balloons> hey smartboyhw -- how are you?
[14:36] <smartboyhw> balloons, \o/
[14:38] <smartboyhw> phillw, did you get permission from your boss to present for Lubuntu on the QA "Release party"?:P
[14:38] <balloons> so smartboyhw can you make a hangout at 1400 UTC for the release hangout?
[14:38] <balloons> phillw, how did your presentation go btw?
[14:38] <smartboyhw> balloons, good question.
[14:39] <smartboyhw> balloons, should be (since it's a Friday_
[14:40] <smartboyhw> balloons, it wouldn't be good if I appear in sleeping pajamas right?
[14:40] <smartboyhw> (LOL)
[14:41] <smartboyhw> balloons, good news from the Testdrived team.
[14:42] <balloons> smartboyhw, lol.. no keep camera off and screenshare if that's the case :-)
[14:42] <balloons> haha
[14:42] <balloons> smartboyhw, ohh, what news?
[14:42] <smartboyhw> balloons, hahaha:P
[14:42] <smartboyhw> balloons, duh the newest e-mail on the quality mailing list:P
[14:45] <balloons> lol.. I thought you meant something else
[14:59] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:01] <charliepurple> I'm interested in doing an upgrade testcase, but I'm not finding how to update straight from lucid to raring using the testcase paramaters (as in not editing sources.list) http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1310/info or http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1454/info
[15:02] <charliepurple> I'm only getting the option to upgrade to 10.10
[15:10] <smartboyhw> charliepurple, nobody does that do we!?
[15:10] <smartboyhw> Atop we only support 10.04 -> 12.04
[15:11] <charliepurple> Oh, lol, didn't know, If I remember it's coming to the end of its support, so I figured it'd be something to look into (before actually checking)
[15:11] <smartboyhw> charliepurple, soon (for desktop)
[15:13] <charliepurple> nods
[15:13] <charliepurple> though I do see something about a lucid lts testsuite - I don't know anything about it, but as long as my box is running lucid I thought I'd make it useful
[15:23] <balloons> ChanServ, yes, from 10.04 you can go to 12.04 which is the next lts
[15:23] <smartboyhw> balloons, :O ChanServ!?
[15:24] <smartboyhw> charliepurple, for 10.04 -> 12.04 we have testcases.
[15:24] <balloons> apart from LTS to LTS you can normally only upgrade one version at a time
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Not for 10.04 -> 13.04 though
[15:24] <balloons> smartboyhw, tabcomplete ftw
[15:24] <charliepurple> Oh okay, cool. Thanks folks. :)
[15:24] <smartboyhw> balloons, tabcomplete ftl
[15:24] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:31] <balloons> chilicuil, morning to you
[15:31] <balloons> just looking at your nautilus merge
[15:33] <chilicuil> balloons: hello Nicolas, good morning =)
[15:48] <balloons> chilicuil, ahh so on the merge, are you wanting sergio to add to it before it goes out? What exactly were you looking for him to do?
[15:55] <smartboyhw> balloons, I played with Testdrive to add the Kubuntu Active image
[15:55] <smartboyhw> Now I got Kubuntu Active Desktop :O
[15:56] <balloons> smartboyhw, really?
[15:56] <smartboyhw> balloons, yeah.
[15:56] <balloons> you did a little hacking on the code/
[15:56] <balloons> awesome!
[15:56] <smartboyhw> balloons, now I need to get rid of "Desktop" out of the "Active":P
[15:56] <balloons> jackson will be happy
[15:56] <smartboyhw> balloons, I still dunno how to fix the "double entry" bug though
[15:56] <balloons> maybe you can add ppc for him
[15:57] <smartboyhw> balloons, that requires more coding I think.
[15:57] <balloons> something server side changed for that to happen
[15:59] <smartboyhw> balloons, you mean now we can simply launch ppc without probkems?
[16:00] <balloons> no, lol.. I mean the double entry bug happened because of something server side
[16:00] <balloons> that's my guess :-)
[16:00] <smartboyhw> balloons, server side?
[16:00]  * smartboyhw doesn't understand.
[16:01] <smartboyhw> balloons, hmm I get why the Active image has "desktop" to it, it IS a desktop image on cdimage.ubuntu.com (/me faints)
[16:01] <smartboyhw> LOL
[16:04] <balloons> lol :-)
[16:05] <smartboyhw> balloons, done and committed and requested merge:P
[16:05] <balloons> smartboyhw, excellent work
[16:05] <balloons> I'm glad you are pursuing this
[16:06] <smartboyhw> balloons, :)
[16:06] <smartboyhw> balloons, I just hope that QA people have nice QA tools;P
[16:06] <balloons> I hope it helps attract some other people to give it a try
[16:06] <balloons> sometimes you can surprise yourself ;-)
[16:08] <smartboyhw> ;-)
[16:12] <chilicuil> balloons: I'm looking for the part which i18n the touch command, in the previous version it didn't work with the Sergio's desktop (spanish).., but if we don't want to wait I can look at that specific bzr version to do it by myself
[16:13] <balloons> chilicuil, ahh we used XDG directories
[16:13] <balloons> I helped and worked with him on it.. it was fun :-)
[16:13] <balloons> I'm not sure they are needed anymore though
[16:13] <balloons> I missed where you wanted / needed it
[16:13] <smartboyhw> balloons: If this merge proposal really gets merged, I will blog about how we play with Testdrive.:P
[16:14] <balloons> smartboyhw, +1. I'll talk it up too..
[16:14] <balloons> heck, I think you've signed yourself up for a demo talk next week
[16:14] <smartboyhw> balloons: Heck:P
[16:14] <chilicuil> balloons: yep, right, we needed if we want testers can be able to run the 10th testcase, which is about creating new files in Template to see if nautilus create a submenu in the context menu with the new entry
[16:58] <balloons> chilicuil, let me look again at the case
[16:59] <balloons> ohh.. I see ok
[16:59] <balloons> $XDG_TEMPLATE_DIR
[17:00] <balloons> so we were having fun with  ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[17:02] <balloons> chilicuil, so we did fun stuff like this to pull out the directory name: cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | grep XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR |sed 's/XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR=\"\(.*\)\"/\1/'
[17:04] <balloons> btw chilicuil your script is SO handy.. thanks so much for making it.. Our testcases would be a mess without it :-)
[17:18] <chilicuil> balloons: yeah, that's the command I was looking for, I'm adding it so we can merge the nautilus testcase =)
[17:20] <balloons> kk
[18:17] <balloons> chilicuil, lol.. I just commented that I would wait for your changes.. it saved and boom! there they were. I'll merge this now
[18:17] <balloons> haha
[18:18] <chilicuil> balloons: =P
[18:18] <balloons> chilicuil, ohhh, your expected result still assumes english locale: The Terminal returns the prompt and a new file called "Another Empty Document" is created in $HOME/Templates
[18:18] <balloons> you can simply say, your templates directory
[18:19] <chilicuil> balloons: yep, nice catch, I'll change it now
[18:19] <balloons> also, the big long string yo umade doesn't seem to do anything for locales
[18:19] <balloons> you still touch $HOME/Templates?
[18:20] <chilicuil> lol balloons, I'll change that too
[18:26] <chilicuil> balloons: done
[18:28] <balloons> chilicuil, kk
[18:56] <balloons> chilicuil, ok looking good now
[18:56] <balloons> I'll merge
[19:02] <chilicuil> cool, sry for the inconveniences
[19:05] <balloons> no worries.. glad it's back in there
[19:06] <balloons> I've been merging and playing with manual tests all day.. never a bad thing!
[19:06] <balloons> we had a new contributor get a merge in :-)
[19:07] <chilicuil> yep I saw it, I'd like to help with automated tests, but still studying the internals and with this new job and the violin classes I almost have no free time x_x
[19:08] <balloons> violin eh? beautiful sounding instrument
[19:09] <chilicuil> yep =)
[20:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, Hello!
[20:51] <balloons> Noskcaj, you about?
[20:52] <Noskcaj> balloons, yeah.
[20:54] <balloons> I was going to ask if you were interested in coding at all?
[20:54] <balloons> I think you would find hacking on testdrive to be a pretty good project to learn a little python.. you might surprise yourself
[20:55] <balloons> regardless I was chatting smartboyhw and I figured you'd be happy about his commit :-)
[21:13] <phillw> Noskcaj: having testdrive support PPC would be quite a major undertaking and as the virtual machines running PPC do not suffer from the 'real' bugs that they see, I'd suggest that time be best spent elsewhere on testing.
[21:13] <phillw> oh, sorry.. balloons ^^ I did mean to cc you :D
[21:14] <Noskcaj> balloons, yeah, i'd be interested. do you have some webpages i can download because i will have no internet for 3 days
[21:14] <balloons> phillw, lol..
[21:14] <balloons> Noskcaj, the classic is to use diveintopython
[21:15] <balloons> it's a ubuntu package even :-) But it might not make sense for you as I think it's not intended for someone who doesn't know how to program
[21:15] <Noskcaj> phillw, i suggested it because i thought KVM was able to emulate specific hardware.
[21:15] <Noskcaj> if not, we need netboot, kylin and gnome to be put in anyway
[21:15] <phillw> balloons: your hangout for signing up for launchpad seems some what heavily involved. did you make a 'basic' version?
[21:16] <Noskcaj> balloons, my only experience is from school (one lesson on quickBASIC and 5 on python)
[21:16] <balloons> Noskcaj, ahh.. so you have a little experience then. I would google a bit and find something you like.. lots out there for python: http://www.codecademy.com/tracks/python, and http://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/
[21:16] <phillw> Noskcaj: QuickBasic?!!! OMG, does it still exist? I loved that system :D
[21:17] <Noskcaj> phillw, in year 7 that was all we learned, but only one or two lessons
[21:17] <balloons> Noskcaj, that said in my opinion one of the best ways is to get the source for testdrive and start modifying it.. as long as you have the basics down and understand things like loops, variables, etc
[21:18] <Noskcaj> the most i've mad in python is a basic AI and a few small CLI games
[21:18] <phillw> can be both interpreter (for debugging) and then compiled up for production. A fantastic idea :)
[21:18] <Noskcaj> balloons, i'll try and learn more while i'm away
[21:18] <phillw> 20+ years ago :)
[21:18] <balloons> Noskcaj, I would encourage you to give it a whirl.. grab the source and hack
[21:19] <balloons> if you get stuck, google it or ask ;-)
[21:20] <balloons> you might be surprised that the code is just code.. nothing magical about it. You might surprise yourself ;-)
[21:22] <phillw> w3 school (mainly to do with coding for sites) do also recommend http://www.w3schools.eu/2012/08/the-best-way-to-learn-python/
[21:22] <phillw> it seems pretty up to date.
[21:23] <Noskcaj> what version of IDLE should i download for it?
[21:23] <phillw> codecall also have some good tutorials http://forum.codecall.net/ (if you search hard enough, you will some postings from me on there :P )
[21:29] <balloons> Noskcaj, I use geany for editing
[21:29] <balloons> many other folks use vim or even just gedit.. you don't have to have an ide :-)
[21:30] <Noskcaj> i'll put geany on too, i just find they help with finding where you've misstyped
[21:31] <balloons> yes.. I find geany gives me "just enough" nice things.. I've moved from loving something as big and involved as eclipse to simply hacking on the command line
[21:34] <Noskcaj> bzr wont let me branch testdrive, :(
[21:35] <balloons> bzr branch lp:testdrive
[21:37] <phillw> balloons: have you ever tried bluefish? http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/features.html
[21:38] <Noskcaj> and i get the error: Permission denied (publickey).
[21:38] <Noskcaj> ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying
[21:38] <Noskcaj> Permission denied (publickey).
[21:38] <Noskcaj> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[21:38] <balloons> phillw, yea, not my thing
[21:39] <balloons> I did use it the other day though :-) html stuff I sometimes use it for
[21:40] <Noskcaj> balloons, i've just downloaded the tarball so i've got something to use, i wonder what the problem is
[21:40] <phillw> balloons: okies, I found it best for 'live' sites where I'm mixing xhtml / CSS / PHP and MySQL all together :)
[21:42] <phillw> my instructor on my course swore my vim, not sure if it supports python thoguh.
[21:42] <phillw> *though*
[21:42] <wxl> pretty sure it does, or can, phillw
[21:43] <balloons> wxl, hello!
[21:43] <wxl> hi balloons
[21:43] <balloons> lol.. vim supports everything
[21:43] <phillw> wxl: indeed it can http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=790
[21:44] <phillw> He hated me, as I prefer nano :P
[21:44] <wxl> phillw: actually i have another page here suggesting it not only can but does natively
[21:44] <wxl> add to ~/.vimrc --
[21:44] <wxl> syntax on
[21:44] <wxl> filetype indent plugin on
[21:45] <wxl> bah nano
[21:45]  * balloons wonders how the nice channel became a vim hacking session
[21:45] <phillw> wxl: as to what vim can do, it is indeed a very powerful system Many years ago I was fluent with vi :D
[21:45] <wxl> i love vi. dearly.
[21:46] <phillw> I can use it, if needed, but got used to nano.
[21:47] <SergioMeneses> hi everybody!
[21:47] <phillw> hiyas SergioMeneses :)
[21:47] <SergioMeneses> balloons, phillw wxl Noskcaj \o
[21:47] <SergioMeneses> btw Noskcaj could you share your wiki page for testimonials :)
[21:48] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, told me but I dont find the link
[21:49] <SergioMeneses> phillw, how's everything?
[21:52] <Noskcaj> SergioMeneses, hello. the page is wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj
[21:52] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, perfect! :) when is your presentation?
[21:54] <Noskcaj> SergioMeneses, May 2nd
[21:55] <SergioMeneses> nice, btw I saw your small talk about testdrive, May I help you guys? What do you need?
[21:55] <Noskcaj> how big are the differences between python 2.7, 3.2 and 3.3
[21:55] <Noskcaj> SergioMeneses, just me trying to learn python
[21:55] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, sounds good
[21:55] <SergioMeneses> I want to work on bug 1162057 but I have been pretty busy these days
[21:56] <Noskcaj> and trying to get testdrive fixed, thanks to smartboyhw for some fixes
[21:56] <Noskcaj> SergioMeneses, i've no idea what causes that one, probably a website issue
[21:56] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, maybe this can help you http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
[21:57] <Noskcaj> SergioMeneses, can i download that whole website somehow? i will have no internet for a few days
[21:57] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, I'm going to ask to Andres (tests-drive developer) for some advises
[21:57] <Noskcaj> good
[21:58] <phillw> Noskcaj: edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#About_Me as you HAVE now signed th CoC :D
[21:58] <phillw> s/th/the
[21:59] <Noskcaj> thanks for the reminder, will do
[21:59] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, I think I can share a tutorial with you
[22:01] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, phillw balloons look http://ubuntuone.com/29VcIxFjsI9UmJSn9o4Bk1
[22:01] <SergioMeneses> it is a good python tutorial
[22:02] <SergioMeneses> btw, that is my uone account so dont worry
[22:03] <Noskcaj> interesting, it's a ruby tutorial though
[22:03] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, sure my bad
[22:03] <SergioMeneses> wrong link
[22:04] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, balloons phillw http://ubuntuone.com/746kLfKmieiNstWg0FCaBG
[22:04] <SergioMeneses> the right onw
[22:04] <SergioMeneses> one
[22:05] <Noskcaj> thanks
[22:06] <balloons> the updated one :-) http://is.gd/ilr2013
[22:06] <balloons> google-fu says yay
[22:06] <SergioMeneses> jajajaja
[22:07] <SergioMeneses> balloons, thanks!
[22:07] <balloons> lol SergioMeneses don't let me steal credit for your find!~
[22:08] <balloons> pretty cool he wrote the book for himself and is sharing it with others
[22:09]  * SergioMeneses wants Coke
[22:12] <Noskcaj> i've used wget to get the 3rd version of that
[22:14] <Noskcaj> goodbye everyone, i'll be back on thursday
[23:33] <smartboyhw> balloons: Still around?
[23:33] <balloons> morning :-)
[23:34] <smartboyhw> balloons, morning:-) I can work on all the netboot, Ubuntu GNOME and UbuntuKylin. I am not sure I will know how to deal with PPC.
[23:35] <smartboyhw> a.k.a. testdrive
[23:35] <balloons> smartboyhw, ahh as mentioned by phillw ppc vm testing isn't likely to be useful
[23:35] <balloons> I can't say one way of the other, but he just mentioned it
[23:37] <smartboyhw> balloons: I would rather want to encourage Noskcaj to do PPC (if he wants to)
[23:37] <phillw> smartboyhw: I'm not sure if there are any VM methods that run under PPC, there is a method to run PPC in VM on a amd64, but it does not suffer from the 'ppc bugs'.
[23:38] <smartboyhw> phillw: Why on earth is amjjawad suddenly joining Xubuntu BTW!;
[23:38] <smartboyhw> phillw: OK
[23:38] <phillw> smartboyhw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64#How_to_test_on_any_architectures_.28using_qemu.29
[23:38] <phillw> smartboyhw: possibly people have been asking for help testing xubuntu?
[23:38] <smartboyhw> Yeah, the QEMU bootstrap thing.
[23:39] <phillw> I think he has just done manual re-installs of everything from 10.04 on i386 for lubuntu... I may be looking for more to test :D
[23:39] <phillw> s/I/He
[23:40] <phillw> he's a dedicated tester once he gets his teeth into something :)
[23:42] <smartboyhw> phillw: :) How's your presentation BTW?
[23:42] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, is here!!!
[23:42]  * SergioMeneses hugs smartboyhw 
[23:42] <smartboyhw> balloons: The Boston bomb accident, are you terrified?
[23:43] <SergioMeneses> btw balloons phillw smartboyhw  look https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses/testdrive/fixCdImage/+merge/159039
[23:43]  * smartboyhw has seen it on TV
[23:43] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses: \o/
[23:43] <balloons> SergioMeneses, :-(
[23:43] <balloons> :-)
[23:43] <balloons> lol.. fat fingered!
[23:44] <balloons> awesome
[23:44] <smartboyhw> Ah the problem is with current/pending :O
[23:44] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, yes it is
[23:45] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses thank you for fixing:-)
[23:45] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj will be super happy!
[23:46] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, but it is not a real bug (imho) because you can select any option and it will work
[23:47] <SergioMeneses> I think is more a design thing
[23:47] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses which one was the default now? current or pending?
[23:48] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, current :)
[23:48] <smartboyhw> ok
[23:48] <phillw> anything that makes testdrive more user friendly is welcome. Re-running our classroom sessions once 13.04 will be a lot easier with the various fixes that have been applied to 13.04 system will be better :)
[23:49] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, sure! I'm talking to Andres to fix it as soon as possible
[23:49] <phillw> I've got a dratted bug in KVM, but heh.. we can't win them all :)
[23:50] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses: tab complete ftw:P
[23:52] <phillw> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58574
[23:53]  * SergioMeneses has to learn more python and packing on ubuntu
[23:55] <phillw> I've also got one that really affects lubuntu only, I've asked a couple of our 'clever' people to have a look at it.
[23:58] <smartboyhw> lol