[03:14] <damit> okay I installed xen and I want to figure out how to install ubuntu server on the system as a virtual machine is there a guide for this?
[06:16] <Sharetel> Hi, can someone please let me know the command to check the package version in apt-get prior to its installation?
[08:34] <acidflash> join #c
[08:34] <acidflash> whoops,
[08:34] <acidflash> sorry
[10:32] <Walther> Reliable way to list all disk drives connected, even ones not mounted, not formatted, not having a partition table on?
[10:32] <Walther> fdisk -l returns nothing
[10:34] <Jeeves_> ls -al /sys/block ?
[11:54] <joshu> do I need to setup split-dns if I'm configuring a backup mx postfix server behind NAT?
[11:54] <Lionhearted> I am using virtual mashine on windows 7, running ubuntu server latest version and i need to configure simple DNS and DHCP server, and can someone point me to some good tutorial (for noobs) THANKS
[11:55] <Joel_re> hey does ufw persist iptables rules, or is that upto the admin?
[12:26] <rbasak> Walther: I usually use "cat /proc/partitions". Also lsblk is nice.
[12:47] <RoyK> Joel_re: ufw rules survive a reboot, yes
[13:01] <smb> Daviey, Do you know whether there is someone special on the SRU team for Xen?
[13:04] <Joel_re> RoyK: ok, which file does ufw write to when rules are added using the ufw command?
[13:05] <RoyK> don't remember
[13:05] <Joel_re> hrm /etc/ufw/*.rules <- those are edited by users not ufw .. is that correct?
[13:05] <jdstrand> Joel_re: /lib/ufw/*rules
[13:06] <Joel_re> jdstrand: thank you sir
[13:06] <jdstrand> Joel_re: /etc/ufw/*rules is for admins, yes
[13:06] <Joel_re> ok
[13:06] <jdstrand> (fyi, man ufw-framework tells you where everything is and how it works together)
[13:07] <Joel_re> ah ok
[13:21] <matzie> hello, I'm looking for a PPA of libvirt that I can use in quantal with more recent versions than 0.9.13.
[13:33] <RoyK> matzie: raring isn't far ahead, so it should be safe-ish to upgrade to the prerelease. I've been using that for a couple of months for a raidtest vm
[13:34] <matzie> I'm considering that, thanks.
[13:34] <RoyK> matzie: release date April 25th
[13:34] <matzie> cool
[13:35] <RoyK> so do-release-upgrade -d ;)
[13:37] <matzie> heh, neat - started an extra failsafe sshd on a new port.  impressed.
[13:38] <RoyK> I've never had to use that
[13:38] <RoyK> but it's neat :)
[13:39] <patdk-wk_> I had to use it once
[13:39] <RoyK> ok
[13:39] <patdk-wk_> but that was back in feisty or so
[13:54] <RoyK> patdk-wk_: a wee while ago ;)
[14:11] <kirkland> roaksoax: ping
[14:13] <roaksoax> kirkland: pong
[16:20] <Daviey> smb: hey, infinity is probably the best person for xen sru.
[16:20] <smb> Daviey, that  probably is true
[17:17] <Sabbathlives> Could someone help me? I am currently learning Ubuntu server. I have made a users. I created folders in the admins root directory not knowing where else to place them for easy sharing. Now i am trying to access these folders but don't know how using the command line
[17:18] <Sabbathlives> Correction: I'm trying to access them from another user.
[17:21] <sarnold> Sabbathlives: placing shared data in /root is not ideal -- typically, a user's home directory would have the data, if one user could be said to be the 'owner' of the data -- if not, then a dedicated directory in /home or /srv might be better. (it's not exactly something that's well-described...)
[17:22] <sarnold> Sabbathlives: check out the filesystem heirarchy standard (FHS) -- it's _not_ a standard, and not even all that common among distros :) -- but it will give you a good idea of what sorts of files go where
[17:25] <Sabbathlives> Sarnold: So it be better to place these folders in the system directory?
[17:25] <sarnold> Sabbathlives: I'd probably put them in /home/data or /home/shared or something like that instead.
[17:31] <Sabbathlives> Sarnold: How do i navigate to the /home/shared directory using command line?
[17:31] <sarnold> Sabbathlives: cd /home/shared
[17:32] <Sabbathlives> Sarnold: Thanx, shared folder doesn't exist but i was able to access the home folder
[17:34] <sarnold> Sabbathlives: then you'll want to 'sudo mkdir /home/shared' to create the directory; you'll need to decide who gets to work with the directory, with what permissions. that can be annoying.
[17:39] <Sabbathlives> Sarnold: thanx, i ended up just throwing them into the /home for now. The folders i moved already have access permission attached to them using ACL.
[17:40] <sarnold> Sabbathlives: probably the easiest thing to do is to make sure your filesystem mounts with 'bsdgroups' option, add your users to  a group, set the group owner of that directory to the group, and then set the setgid bit. It's a bit complicated, sadly, but that will let everyone in the group access the directory without needing sudo...
[17:40] <sarnold> Sabbathlives: aha :)
[17:41] <Sabbathlives> sarnold: Thank you, so much for the help
[17:41] <sarnold> Sabbathlives: have fun :)
[19:38] <ruben231> hi guys i ahve a apache2 web server but when i do this none returns ---> netstat -tulpn | grep :8  ---> just blank
[19:52] <RoyK> ruben231: check the apache logs
[19:55] <thesheff17> anyone have experience with lxc containers inside amazon cloud...anytime I run lxc-shutdown -n severName it just shut downs the whole server
[21:06] <benedict_> hi, i bought a computer and a 3 TB hdd in order to back up a 320 GB hdd. what would you suggest for partiitoning, filesystem, etc.?
[21:07] <benedict_> i have some folders of important data which i want to be backed up but a good part of it not required to be backed up
[21:07] <benedict_> do you think that a cron, that updates 320GB->3TB is enough?
[21:07] <sarnold> benedict_: you may need gparted to partition. I still like ext3, I
[21:08] <sarnold> benedict_: .. I'll let others test ext4 a bit more first..
[21:08] <benedict_> sarnold: ok - i'm not going for any edge technology anyway :P
[21:08] <sarnold> benedict_: rsnapshot may be useful to you.. I like it, anyway. :)
[21:09] <benedict_> i was thinking that RAID would be a bit over the top
[21:10] <benedict_> also the point is that i am not the one to maintain this system - so i would not go too high in terms of complexity
[21:10] <sarnold> raid is nice but no backup solution..
[21:10] <benedict_> mirroring?
[21:11] <benedict_> ok, i see what you want to point out
[21:12] <markthomas> Mirroring and RAID help prevent data loss from drive failure, but not user error.  +1 for rsnapshot.
[21:13] <benedict_> markthomas: what portects against bit-flipping?
[21:13] <benedict_> e.g. if the active hdd flips a bit by accident
[21:14] <markthomas> benedict_: that's a problem for RAID, not rsnapshot.  The latter is file-level backup.
[21:14] <sarnold> most drives spend roughly 540 bits to store 512 bits of data -- by the time you get an error that can't be recovered, I'd be surprised if it is just a bit flipped rather than the entire sector reports unreadable..
[21:15] <benedict_> ok
[21:15] <benedict_> markthomas: but in case the bit flips - rsnapshot would take over that change
[21:16] <markthomas> Which is why it stores whatever combination of hourly, daily, monthly, etc. backups you specify.
[21:16] <sarnold> you could always store checksums or detached gpg sigs or something to keep track of your data integrity..
[21:16] <benedict_> not that i reject rsnapshot - i will try it for sure... just trying to find things i have not considered yet
[21:17] <benedict_> ok
[21:18] <RoyK> rdiff?
[21:18] <markthomas> versioned backups are always a good layer to have in your D.R.
[21:19]  * RoyK uses bacula and crashplan
[21:20] <benedict_> markthomas: D.R. ?
[21:23] <benedict_> thanks for your suggestions - have a good day/night
[22:25] <DuelE> Hey guys. I've put in a bit of study today on IPTABLES and have gotten a simple set of rules running smoothly. But, if anyone can provide me with links to examples of an advanced implementation that uses two nics (one internet one lan obviously) I would greatly appricate it.. or please direct me to a different channel if I am asking this in the wrong place