[00:26] _polto_, can't create users yet [00:36] <_polto_> RobbyF, I was able to create a user, it have it's own home, accessible via ssh, but I do not know how to login with this new user... [00:36] it's not built to that extent yet. [00:37] <_polto_> RobbyF, how can I reset phablet user so ? to use it with my personal data ? [00:37] you can remove some of the pre-installed data, is that what you mean? [00:37] <_polto_> I would like to test SMS, ... address book , ... [00:37] <_polto_> yes [00:37] <_polto_> remove pre-installed data. [00:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes [00:37] scroll down to Sample content section [00:38] <_polto_> thanks [00:38] <_polto_> got it [01:37] So is the raring development in the touch auto installable with the phablet tols? [03:28] hello [03:28] how is the OS progressing === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === lubuntu is now known as Guest6759 === wathek_ is now known as wathek [06:45] good morning === tvoss is now known as tvoss|test === tvoss|test is now known as tvoss [06:56] I was just learning about c++ so I could develope for ubuntu-phone in the future. I then found out that a lot of people hate it, especially linus torvalds :http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57643/focus=57918. Before investing a lot of time in learning more C++, I was thinking that maybe it would be better to learn C, seeing as I already know a oo language [python]. [06:57] my question is whether that is fine if I plan to work with QT? [06:57] I am a pretty new programmer, but I figure if it works well with c++, it should also work well with c. [06:58] If I plan to write applications with QT gui's, the ubuntu touch, etc, can I get by with just knowing c? [07:01] qt is c++ [07:01] better learn qt and Qml [07:08] bef0rd: I do not get it; does ubuntu touch applications run on qt? I thought that was just the GUI, where as everything else was c++? [07:15] learn what qt is [07:15] and yes, ubuntu touch apps are qt/qml [07:22] bef0rd: You could just tell me. It says "Application framework", which means... what? You can use it to make a calculator, or you can use it just to make the framework for a calculator, where as the rest of it has to be done in literal c++? [07:25] Akiva-Mobile: Qt is a set of C++ libraries, basically. When you write Qt code, you're writing C++ - but instead of using standard types, you're using types provided by the Qt libraries. QML is different: it's a separate language, whose implementation was written in C++, but client code doesn't have to be C++ (you can use just QML syntax + JavaScript) [07:26] QML has deep integration with normal Qt C++ types, so you can mix and match Qt C++ and Qt/QML code, in various ways. [07:26] chriadam: QML just strikes me as a html renderer basically. Is that partly correct? [07:27] no [07:27] it doesn't use a DOM or a HTML rendering engine [07:27] okay. why did it choose to use html code? [07:27] it didn't [07:28] sorry [07:28] javascript [07:28] im a goof [07:28] thats what I meant; a javascript renderer [07:28] QML just strikes me as a JAVASCRIPT renderer basically. Is that partly correct? [07:28] it chose JavaScript for expressions basically because it's a well known language, with C-like syntax so it's familiar to most people. also, QML has similarities to JSON, and JS and JSON are familiar friends. [07:29] JavaScript and rendering are completely unrelated concepts [07:29] there's no need to guess, search for QML documentation [07:29] Thanks for letting me know~ [07:30] QML uses an optimised, OpenGL scene-graph renderer, written in C++. === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [07:41] chriadam|away: Why is it not more logical to use C++ for expressions, seeing it is working with a c++ based language qt? [07:42] I'm about to head home, unfortunately. but, briefly: because expressions are (or can be) dynamic. You can't resolve dynamic things at build time. [07:42] Thanks! [08:04] Why can't dynamic things be resolved at build time? [08:06] Dynamic things as I understand it, is just an equation broken up into smaller equations (supposedly for multitasking) [08:07] is that like to say, that when c++ compiles, it will solve the various equations, and save to memory only the results? === Riussi_ is now known as Riussi [08:11] ogra_: so, I got the bootlooping to stop, but since the screen is always off idk whats happening [10:10] shadeslayer, try to enable the serial gadget in your kernel, that should give you serial output on USB after the kernel is up [10:11] yeah I tried that, but there was no /proc/bus/usb/devices [10:12] on your PC ? [10:12] yes [10:12] you want /dev/tty.... [10:12] check dmesg while booting the n10 with an exisring USB connection [10:13] oh, I was following https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/gadget_serial.txt [10:13] hell [10:14] shadeslayer, you ant it builtin and it should just come up automatically [10:14] I see [10:15] and there is no need for any drivers on the PC side ... just watch dmesg when booting, you shoould see the tty device appear [10:22] ogra_: and you were right about the the toolchain [10:22] all of my compile issues went away when I used the ubuntu toolchain [10:23] so much easier to just export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- and run make :) [10:35] tmoenicke: hi, have a question about the OSK. right now it seems that when you tap and hold on a button, you don't get repeated events. but it would be really useful to have instead [10:38] ogra_: uh, nothing shows up in dmesg [10:42] Look how hot this is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710034/ c++ demangled dpkg symbols file =) [10:43] shadeslayer, hmm, weird [10:43] indeedly [10:43] note that I /think/ the device booted the kernel because it feels warm when you touch it [10:43] lol [10:44] :P [10:44] there's no output on the screen, so I can't tell [10:44] well, you need to make it output somehow ... either through g_serial or through a framebuffer console [10:45] thats always the first essential step [10:46] shadeslayer: you got n10? [10:46] yes [10:47] Tch. Gibe one plax [10:47] xnox, and do these symboals actually have something in their back or is it just stubs [10:47] ? [10:48] Quintasan: whut [10:48] give me one [10:48] :P [10:48] haha [10:50] hm, this config has some weird command line options [10:51] CONFIG_CMDLINE="vmalloc=512M debug_core.break_on_panic=0 debug_core.break_on_exception=0 no_console_suspend s3c2410-wdt.tmr_atboot=1 s3c2410-wdt.tmr_margin=30" [10:51] yeah, ignore them, usually the bootloader sets it anyway (and overrides it) [10:51] if I completely remove all those options, I don't get a bootloop, but don't get a fb as well [10:51] just make sure the bootloader config is right [10:51] ogra_: actually CONFIG_CMDLINE_EXTEND=y [10:52] ah [10:52] nerochiaro: when you keep a button pressed, usually a popup comes up offering extended keys like umlauts [10:52] nerochiaro: which we will have soon [10:52] thing is, if I completely remove those options, then I don't get anything ( no bootloop as well ) [10:52] try console=ttyGS0 [10:53] that should force it to use the g_serial console [10:53] tmoenicke: but that doesn't apply to keys like backspace [10:53] okay [10:53] tmoenicke: which need repeats to quickly delete text [10:53] ogra_: so all it should pass to the kernel is root=/dev/block/platform/dw_mmc.0/by-name/userdata console=ttyGS0 [10:54] nerochiaro: yep for that case, true [10:54] nerochiaro: the maliit-keyboard has that [10:54] shadeslayer, no idea if that device path exists ... but yeah for the console ... [10:54] if you boot into an initrd prompt root= doesnt really matter anyway [10:54] heh okay [10:54] tmoenicke: any way we can get that fixed ? [10:54] just make sure to have the right break= optiojn set too [10:55] break=top ? [10:55] yeah [10:55] nerochiaro: yep the new keyboard does that [10:55] and well, make sure its actually an ubuntu initrd :) [10:55] haha ofcourse [10:56] ogra_: what do you mean "in their back"? [10:56] xnox, well, are there actually sensors to get data from ? [10:57] ogra_: maybe =) [10:57] (is it linkled into some android lib, libhybris ... libfoo ?) [10:57] ah [10:57] yeah, it's libhybris dependant implementation library. [10:57] ah, good [10:57] ogra_: the "original" symbols are C++ ugliness which can be arch dependant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710076/ [10:57] though i think hybris doesnt have any sensors connections yet ... might be stubs there [10:58] yeah [10:58] ogra_: I didn't know up until today that dpkg-gensymbols supports (c++) tag to filter the symbols via c++filt [10:58] symbols are a pain in C++ [10:59] well with c++ tag they are ok, but I am worried that mangled symbol might change/dropped while demangled name stays the same. [11:03] hello === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:03] help [11:04] p990 adb not work, usb connect error: usb device not configured, error -22 [11:05] error on the side of the phone [11:07] lsusb not list device [11:07] new bootloader [11:09] delaya73, i guess you are better off asking in the xda forums [11:10] ok [11:12] (in the linked thread from the wikipage) [11:12] mmmm ... nope, still doesn't show up in dmesg [11:28] ogra_, why raring haven't the new core apps inside quantal? [11:28] krabador, i think they arent built for raring yet ... the raring image is still experimental [11:29] which reminds me ... [11:29] sergiusens, all raring bits (except changelog and the still empty manifest) are on cdimange now, shoould be ready for testing changes to phablet-flash [11:30] i just linked the android parts [11:50] ogra_: nice, I'll make the necessay changes [11:51] can you tag todays quantal build as well? [11:53] you mean move it to the quantal dir ? didnt we wnat tests first ? [11:53] (its just a cp -a for me but i thought we wanted to wait for a set of manual tests) === Tassadar is now known as Guest54859 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:14] whats the phablet-flash command for raring orga? [12:17] there is none [12:17] phablet-flash will automatically switch once everything is ready [12:17] oh ok. thought there was from above comments, [12:17] * RobbyF needs morning coffee [12:17] no, i meant just for testing :) [12:18] (you could surely hack up phablet-flash locally to use raring though [12:18] ) [12:19] * h01ger dist-upgraded to raring and now the display stays black (nexus4) - i can still ssh in though [12:20] dist upgrading might cause libhybris and platform-api issues ... [12:20] since half of them lives on the android side [12:20] ic [12:20] (yet unpackaged) [12:21] the android side is the kernel and? [12:21] we're waiting for the results of the possible container flip [12:21] +, i'm glad this is unsurprising [12:21] once android lives in the container it will be easier to update these bits by packages [12:22] android consists of kernel, binary drivers the full HAL layer and platform-api and libhybris [12:22] everything you need to make the HW work ... [12:22] everything above that level is ubuntu [12:23] ah. and "platform-api and libhybris" is running on android, but not part of normal android, but rather done to be able to run ubuntu on top? [12:24] right, they are the communication layers to talk to the HW [12:24] one half lives in android, the other in the ubuntu rootfs [12:24] * h01ger nods [12:24] and indeed they need to be in sync [12:25] which can cause dist-upgrade to break if you dont also use a new ansdroid layer [12:25] makes sense now :-) so i will reflash from scratch once again - though not before next weekend.. [12:25] ogra_, thanks for the explaination. much appreciated. [12:25] :) [12:31] ogra_: do you know which core apps are in the latest images? [12:31] is it still clock, calendar and calculator? [12:31] nope, i dont ... sergiusens might [12:32] mhall119: yes, it's those [12:32] thanks [12:32] mhall119: I wasn't told about any new additions [12:32] ok, just wanted to make sure, I'm working on a blog post === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [12:32] mhall119: but it's easy to add them as long as they are in that same ppa [12:32] app wise, i mostly miss vibration feedback in on-screen keyboard... but i guess thats planned and i just need to be patient? [12:39] sergiusens: yeah, I just wanted to highlight the ones we've started including [12:40] h01ger, once we have proper sensor handling in the api vibration should work too [12:41] ah, nice. (and good to know what the cause is..) === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI === _salem is now known as salem_ [13:12] didrocks, hello! What's the skinny on daily-release and config deployment? I'm happy to help wrangle some of the stragglers today [13:14] heya, I get these weird corrupted fonts and wondered if someone can give me a hint to where I might start looking to solving it [13:14] http://ubuntuone.com/23E3affaQMvDRxGmfrRTTi [13:15] steve_fi, mali ? [13:15] its when using my asus transformer [13:15] tegra [13:15] ah [13:15] i only know it from mali400 ... downgrading to the last driver solves it there [13:15] that looks like a TF101 [13:15] it is [13:15] such a crappy device that is :( [13:16] yeah I agree, I bought the dock and the keyboard lasted about 2 months on it, bought a second which lasted 1 month [13:16] heh [13:16] oh fun [13:16] oh lilstevie [13:16] hahaha [13:16] lilstevie is here [13:16] :D [13:16] used to get that on the tegra x11 drivers on the tf101 all the time too [13:16] * lilstevie hates tegra [13:17] ah, so I know where to start looking :D [13:17] steve_fi: You won't get nvidia drivers working on newer kernels I believe [13:17] ^^ [13:17] Since it lacks some interfaces AFAIR [13:18] alright [13:18] at least you can still call your friends :P [13:18] lilstevie might know the exact problem [13:18] (according to the screenshot) [13:19] ogra_: it's weird btw, I flashed a kernel a couple of hours ago that made the android robot in funny colors [13:19] things were cyan [13:19] and I had modified my init script to increase brightness and the brightness did increase before the screen shutdown [13:19] Quintasan, yeah, but with ubuntu touch they are using android driver blobs [13:19] and using the old ones [13:19] shadeslayer, woo welcome to the weird 2.6.39.4 fbcon screwups [13:19] still, the nvidia driver won't work with new kernel, will it? [13:20] lilstevie: eh, this was on the Nexus 10 [13:20] it's super weird, I can't get a fbcon on this thing atl all [13:20] Quintasan, the latest android one? no, that said I don't think the latest one works on tegra2 [13:20] shadeslayer, oh [13:20] though I got it to stop bootlooping [13:20] heh [13:20] lilstevie, thats n10 and he is trying to get a normal X11 up [13:20] lilstevie: my point exactly [13:20] (or rather first an fbcon) [13:20] ^^ [13:21] ogra_, yeah I got that now :p [13:21] lilstevie: exact same concept as the one you had with the TF101 ;) [13:21] I really hate arm fbcons [13:21] half the time they work [13:21] can't even get g_serial up [13:22] fbcon hangs the SoC on my xperia t [13:23] might explain what happens here [13:25] lilstevie: how did you figure that out btw? [13:26] shadeslayer, uart debugging showed that as soon as the bootloader jumped to the kernel everything just stopped [13:26] ah [13:27] the xperia t has uart debugging, cool :) [13:27] requiring a forced reset [13:27] heh yeah [13:27] fairly easy to get to also [13:27] * shadeslayer hasn't found a way to do uart on the n10 === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [13:35] hey mterry, sorry was in a hangout :) [13:36] lilstevie: did you enable FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE on the TF101 and it just worked? :P [13:36] mterry: so, some progress, but still some work to do :) [13:36] mterry: we had sil2100 fixing some of the "dep-wait forever because of powerpc" things [13:36] mterry: I would say that 1. is look at what happened to unity raring [13:37] mterry: 2. there is still some help needed on other components if you want :) [13:37] \o/ [13:37] shadeslayer, you might need some mali specific settings in the framebuffer options [13:37] I have the funny cyan thing again [13:37] shadeslayer, pretty much [13:37] mterry: 3. we'll need to put every stacks in manual uploads mode I guess for final freeze [13:37] didrocks, I noticed that some head stacks were failing because I forgot to list all the install deps of the autopilot test packages. Will make a merge for that [13:38] mterry: oh, sync with sil2100 [13:38] mterry: he's looking at it today, I asked for it [13:38] didrocks, OK [13:38] * didrocks hugs mterry for looking at that, the only one! :-) [13:38] mterry: I asked me in particular to look at the list closely [13:38] :) [13:38] not sure if you noticed but mysql is installed [13:38] didrocks, you asked who in particular? [13:38] maybe we want to fix the dep/recommends to avoid that :) [13:39] mterry: oh, I asked today sil2100 for it. I thought your subteam would look at what they bootstrap :-) [13:39] didrocks, I have a subteam? [13:40] mterry: our* subteam :) [13:40] didrocks, phew [13:40] :) [13:40] mterry: ahah, I see you relief, you will skip meeting at 8PM :p [13:42] omg omg omg [13:42] ogra_: my init can control brightness [13:42] but that's about all I can get it to do at the moment :D [13:43] I put this in my init http://paste.kde.org/725000/ [13:43] and the brightness first lowers and then increases \o/ === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:43] mterry: now I do! [13:46] shadeslayer, well, check the console options in your kernel, there is likely some meli specific option you can set [13:46] *mali [13:46] hmm [13:46] will try and get a serial console up first [13:47] since I know it's loading the kernel and booting into the initrd === ariel is now known as Guest38227 [13:50] hello [14:03] hmm === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:03] ogra_: there's a pin : /sys/class/android_usb/android0/enable [14:03] that's from recovery [14:04] shadeslayer, for fbcon ? [14:04] for usb access [14:04] the recovery init writes 1 into that file to get adb working [14:05] but obviously, that path is not available to us I think [14:09] so I know stuff is happening in the init, I just dont know why it fails over :/ [14:11] ogra_: https://www.dropbox.com/s/55b1wljzlailxb4/IMAG0566.jpg [14:11] that's the weird colored android I see [14:36] didrocks, are we keeping quantal support (for the moment) when porting jenkins configs from phablet to head? [14:36] fginther ^ [14:38] didrocks, this is regarding the upstream ci/autolanding jobs [14:41] the plan for dropping quantal is -> raring tested, raring image has no regressions compared to the quantal build, quantal publishing dropped, cdimage defaults to raring [14:43] fginther, sergiusens: all the work so far in the daily-release part is raring only [14:43] Which is not to say we can't re-enable quantal [14:43] mterry: if you keep that phablet-land job, it will do the necessary thing [14:43] Just that it's a fair bit of unplanned work [14:43] mterry: I guess we will have to flip the switch faster [14:43] mterry, we're talking about upstream autolanding jobs, does the daily release care about that? [14:43] ogra_: pmcgowan rsalveti ^^ [14:44] fginther, does the auto-upload bit not use the same platform config settings? [14:44] sergiusens, i think that misses a "quantal tested" as well [14:44] sergiusens: hopefully we'd be able to take the decision later today/tomorrow [14:45] if i tag it to the quantal dir i want to be sure its stable enough for demoing [14:45] depending on the test results [14:45] right lets execute the plan [14:45] yeah [14:45] mterry, no, the "configurations" section is for upstream only [14:46] mterry, the only option that the daily release jobs look at under a project is 'daily_release' :-) [14:47] fginther, OK. Well if we want to re-enable quantal, that's fine. But can that be done separately from this qtvideo-node branch? Seems like something we should do globally at the top of each stack [14:48] mterry, yes. that's actually a good point [14:48] mterry, i'll update my comment [14:50] fginther, I can make a branch for that. You said you didn't want to enable all 3 platforms (i386 amd64 armhf) [14:50] fginther, why not? Seems like we could have a problem on one of them but not the others [14:50] mterry, I make the MP, I want to review the other projects briefly [14:50] fginther, OK [14:51] mterry, we just try to save some resources by not building all permutations [14:52] Anyone there? [14:52] where ? [14:53] Just wanting to add a device to the WIP list. [14:54] do it :) [14:54] http://www.thriveforums.org/forum/pio_masaki-development/18090-wip-ubuntu-touch-thrive-development.html [14:55] (if you are the porter, just add it yourself, its just a wikipage) [14:56] Toshiba Thrive, codename Antares. Not the porter myself, but... [14:56] I'll see what I can do. [14:56] well, the wiki needs a contact person [14:58] Don't know muck Wiki code, but I'll see what I can do. [15:01] Hello2All [15:01] I'm wondering: could you install Gimp on Ubuntu touch? [15:02] you cuold ... but you coldnt use it on the display [15:02] (you can install ssh and use it via "ssh -X" remotely) [15:03] there is no Xorg support in ubuntu touch ... so it cant run on the display server [15:03] oh, I see === Guest54859 is now known as Tassadar_ [15:03] Is there any way to draw on ubuntu touch? [15:04] write an app :) [15:04] :) [15:04] Will be there Xorg support ever? [15:05] Maybe, announced [15:05] at some point once Mir is ready and enters the desktop [15:05] currently ubuntu touch uses surfaceflinger ... that will soon be replaced with Mir which will only support Qt in the beginning ... [15:06] for the move to the desktop there then will be XMir ... that will give you Xorg support [15:06] I see [15:07] Will it be compatible with Xorg applications? [15:07] yes [15:07] Thanks! [15:07] but thats 14.04 material i think [15:07] so still far out [15:07] ok [15:08] (the guys in #ubuntu-mir might have more details) [15:13] rsalveti: around? [15:14] kenvandine: do we have API docs for Friends and OnlineAccounts? [15:14] That's weird... I'm trying to add it, but Wiki's crashing when I try to log in.... [15:15] AmEv: that's not relaly weird, the wiki is like that most of the time :) [15:15] Haha.... [15:16] I have a U1 account, so I'm trying to use it. [15:16] Anyone willing to help me out? [15:16] * mhall119 loves U1 [15:16] AmEv: if I can, sure [15:17] Well, I'm trying to add another tablet to the WIP list. [15:18] Toshuba Thrive (AT100/105) Codename Antares. [15:18] ok, are you logged in? It should have your username next to the "More Actions:" drop-down [15:18] mhall119, not yet.. there are docstrings in the code [15:18] http://www.thriveforums.org/forum/pio_masaki-development/18090-wip-ubuntu-touch-thrive-development.html [15:19] but i never figured out how to generate the docs [15:19] i think i did generate them in qml-friends, but never built in a package [15:19] Dev is pio_masaki. [15:19] kenvandine: qdoc [15:19] i borrowed the script from ubuntu-ui-toolkit [15:20] *Toshiba, not toshuba... haha [15:20] mhall119, so basically i need to add the -doc package for qml-friends and probably tidy up the docstrings [15:20] same for accounts-qml-module [15:21] Trying login once more.... [15:22] OK, I'm logged into SSO, but when I'mtrying to Wikiize, it hangs....... argh.... [15:22] bzoltan1: ping [15:23] nik90: pong [15:23] Ther we go! [15:24] bzoltan1: I wanted to ask you some question regarding TimeZone Data for the ubuntu-clock-app core apps === oreneeshy_ is now known as oreneeshy [15:24] nik90: shoot [15:24] bzoltan1: Is there a common platform API I can use to get a list of all the timezones using qml? I basically need to provide that info to the user. [15:25] bzoltan1: so basically the user chooses a city for instance new york and in return I need to display the time there [15:25] sigh... I was in, but changing pages logged me out.... [15:25] kenvandine: when you have that, let me know so we can publish it to developer.u.c [15:25] will do [15:26] mhall119, can you pull that from packages in a PPA? [15:26] Wait... [15:26] i don't think i'll be able to land that in raring [15:26] bzoltan1: I have tried looking at tzdata where it lists all the timezones in the world but was hoping there was api already available for us to use [15:26] kenvandine: I think it takes some hacking on the script, I'll check with dpm [15:28] Haha... Refreshing the page helps! [15:36] 16:46:28 fginther | mterry, the only option that the daily release jobs look at under a project is 'daily_release' :-) [15:36] fginther: mterry -> target_branch as well [15:36] as we introduced it :) [15:36] * fginther slaps head [15:37] ogra_: rsalveti: when will we switch the daily images to Raring? [15:37] It's in... How'd I do? [15:38] nik90: I suggest to parse this -> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5-QTimeZone [15:39] bzoltan1: will have a look at it [15:39] bzoltan1: might I also ask if you have any information about obtaining the longitude and latitude (location of user) using API? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [15:40] bzoltan1: I need the long, lat to determine the sunrise and sunset time using an online API [15:40] mhall119, once there were enough tests to make sure that a) qunatal is good enough for demoing so we can freeze the last build and b) raring has no major regressions [15:46] Well, I'm hoping to have this on my Thrive soon! [15:54] bzoltan1: on reading through QTimeZone, it seems that this is a concept being worked on and can only be expected in qt 5.1. [16:20] hi [16:22] If, when there is an ubuntu (the real one) booting on nexus devices, isn't is possible to use kexec to boot android [16:22] sort of dual boot [16:22] * Meizirkki wishes to use android when ubuntu isn't fully fuctional [16:23] typos, grah [16:23] depends on the device, really [16:24] kexec usually tends to not work with android things [16:24] (the not modified, real kexec, there are patches which workaround some of the problems) [16:25] hmm [16:25]