jacobwMorning ubunteros06:58
apacheukmorning all07:00
TheOpenSourcerermorning all07:44
TheOpenSourcererfrom the man with the very hurty face :-(07:45
MooDoohello all07:53
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer: 0uch ouch07:53
AlanBellmorning TheOpenSourcerer07:54
TheOpenSourcerersheesh my face hurts today :-(07:57
TheOpenSourcererPicture coming up...07:57
MooDoomorning daubers08:13
daubersnice to be back in blighty08:22
Lil-|^Red~OT | Here's a new one : What's everyone thnk of Go-Faster Stripes on an External Hard Disk ?? http://bit.ly/17caY6a08:25
MooDooLil-|^Red: think i'll get that if it'll make things go faster ;)08:29
popeyUSB 2 ☹08:35
JamesTaitHappy Monday, folks, hope everyone had a great Look Up At The Sky Day yesterday!08:36
SuperMattI can see the sky now and it's *still* blue!08:36
TheOpenSourcererMy face day 3. Looks better but HURTS so much more - ouch. https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/status/323712934817722368/photo/108:37
JamesTaitSame here!08:37
JamesTaitTheOpenSourcerer, you don't do things by haves, do you?08:37
SuperMattouchy, what happened?08:37
TheOpenSourcererNot deliberately08:37
JamesTaitTheOpenSourcerer, most importantly, are you OK?08:37
TheOpenSourcererWell, I am alive. My face hurts (aches) but it's mostly grazing I think.08:38
jacobwYes, what happened?08:38
TheOpenSourcererI went for lunch on Friday08:38
SuperMattdid an alcohol happen?08:39
DJonesThats a dangerous lunch08:39
TheOpenSourcererWhen I woke up on Saturday morning my face looked like this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/instantupload/586622558623421515408:39
Lil-|^RedTheOpenSourcerer: It does need a nice lovely bow on yur forehead to make a good pict.08:40
BigRedSThis is why I skip lunch on Fridays08:40
TheOpenSourcererSuperMatt: I am beginning to strongly suspect someone slipped a Mickey Finn into something I drank.08:41
TheOpenSourcererI had no hangover to speak of. I didn't, for me, drink *that* much. But can;t remember anything08:42
SuperMattI know we're not allowed to swear in here, so that's most of what I want to say out of the window08:42
SuperMattdid anything go missing?08:42
TheOpenSourcererand according to my friend who looked after me and brought me home I was unable to stand - completely.08:42
TheOpenSourcererAfter 2 pints of bitter and bottle of wine? Nah. Not me.08:43
SuperMattsounds like someone was probably hoping they'd be able to take stuff off you08:43
TheOpenSourcererNothing I noticed. Still had £140 in my pocket.08:43
SuperMattyeah, I'm a small guy and *I* can handle that much08:43
SuperMattis it possible someone knew you had that much in pocket?08:43
SuperMattsomeone I knew once made the mistake of going to the pub with £500 in his pocket08:44
TheOpenSourcererI suspect this was more of a "prank" than anything malicious.08:44
SuperMatttheir mistake was knocking him down next to a brick08:44
TheOpenSourcererIt was a Rugby club lunch everyone was pretty loaded.08:44
jacobwPerhaps you had a bad reaction to due to $SOMETHING08:44
* AlanBell blames the tie08:45
Lil-|^RedTheOpenSourcerer: At least you didn't mope around A&E askin' that question .. that would have been a mistake-a to make-a.08:45
popeyhaving been drinking TheOpenSourcerer a few times I can confirm he can drink more than two pints ☻08:45
jacobwSome medication, or condition you're not aware of yet.08:45
popeywhich reminds me, we're going drinking next week08:46
BigRedSYou drank TheOpenSourcerer!?08:46
* popey will bring some plasters and TCP for TheOpenSourcerer ☻08:46
SuperMattI'll be along late to the raring release party08:46
mungbeanpopey: get to the bottom of your wii prob?08:46
SuperMattI've got work drinks first08:46
SuperMattsomeone save me a medium t-shirt!08:46
popeymungbean: yup, switch off n08:46
AlanBellraring party on thursday and beerex on friday08:46
jacobwWhen and where is the Raring release party?08:46
mungbeanoh, i had that prob on intel 4956agn08:46
BigRedSOh, wow, that'll be soon now08:47
SuperMattnext thursday08:47
mungbeanbut dmesg is blatant about it08:47
* Lil-|^Red recommend the spray TCP rather than the med. liquid stuff.08:47
SuperMattthe pub next to the golden hinde which I can never remember the name of08:47
AlanBellfeel free to be tweeting and such about it08:47
mungbeanSuperMatt: isn't it called the golden hind?08:47
mungbeanthe pub08:47
SuperMattno, it's something else08:48
Lil-|^RedAlanBell: I'm thnkin' this will not be televised08:48
Lil-|^Red    i.e. G+Hangout ??08:48
SuperMattThe Old Thameside Inn08:48
SuperMattI just always call it the golden hinde08:48
AlanBellLil-|^Red: dunno, it might be I suppose08:48
SuperMattthere, I've registered08:48
Lil-|^RedAlanBell: Why not make History ?08:49
* AlanBell prefers to make Geography08:49
* Lil-|^Red prefers H208:49
TheOpenSourcererpopey: I hope by next week most of the damage will be gone. It's healing pretty well.08:53
TheOpenSourcererThink that's why it hurts :-)08:53
Lil-|^RedAlanBell: It looks like our Realease day is near a beach .. no Wifi .. pretty much a wasted oppourtunity, me thnks. http://bit.ly/17cgtBR08:56
popeyi think it's a protest at me08:58
MyrttiI'll have to try if I evoke the same reaction09:07
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:35
bigcalmI found out why my UPS was showing zero load. It's broken :) Brand new batteries, fully charged: switch off the mains, UPS clicks over to invert DC to AC but no power reaches the sockets09:36
mungbeanas i said...door stop :P09:37
* AlanBell thinks UPS on the mains side is all wrong09:37
bigcalmWork purchase back in 2007. I've always used APC myself09:37
AlanBellgoogle get it right in their datacentres, the UPS is on the low voltage side09:38
bigcalmDo I attempt to fix the Belkin door stop (I've just replaced the batteries) or cut my losses and put an APC unit?09:46
mungbeanwait till the replaced batteries are fully charged09:46
mungbeanwoops, you did that09:47
BigRedSAlanBell: yeah, it seems much more sensible to put UPS on the circuits that are low-voltage DC. Like, y'know, batteries are09:47
BigRedSI've long loved that we do 415V AC -> 12V DC -> 240V AC -> 12V DC09:48
BigRedShaha, yeah09:49
BigRedSBut then I have been known to advoctate sticking a laptop in a rack09:50
BigRedSSeemed sensible. ~8hrs built-in UPS to go with the built-in modem. It was pointed out that if everything else was down there would be little point connecting to that machine...09:53
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mungbeanwas gonna try to do some openstack work today but a few sessions of 1hr sleep was not the best prepation09:57
jacobwMy only tip with OpenStack is not to add to your confusion by using different passwords for each thing09:59
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:02
BigRedSWhat are you playing with openstack on? I keep meaning to have a go and then get distracted by something I already understadn :)10:02
mungbeanyes BigRedS there's no all-enscapsulating dummies guide10:03
jacobwThat's very true, a lot of the guides will get to a theoretically working state, but ommit the actual creation of VMs10:03
AlanBellBigRedS: yeah, totally agree with laptops as servers10:04
jacobwWhen I tried to evaluate it, I ran out of time in getting to the theoretical working state.10:04
BigRedSmungbean: but I'm an all-encompassing dummy!10:04
davmor2Morning all10:05
shaunodo yourself a favour, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cloud-live/releases/12.04/   read the readme on the desktop, run the two scripts they put in your ~/bin/, and have a mimumum viable config in ~10 seconds10:06
shaunothere's so many freaking components that if you try to start from scratch, you'll lose sanity before you gain functionality.  if you start with a functioning playground, you won't lose hope so quickly10:08
BigRedSthat sounds like my sort of lazy10:09
mungbeanwhat do the scripts give you?10:09
shaunohonestly not actually sure, seems a couple of steps the livecd doesn't do itself.  one's to intialise z database, the second just starts the stack10:11
Neoti_Desktophey people, will the latest LTS version of ubuntu support a zotac AD 13 plus + the HDMI splitter so i can have 3 monitors? (Zotac AD 13 : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-E2-1800-320GB-Wi-Fi-Bluetooth/dp/B00929GRP2#productDetails | Zotax HDMI Splitter: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-ZT-DP2HD-Dual-HDMI-Cable/dp/B005FSHHBW/ref=sr_1_66?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1366018958&sr=1-66&keywords=Zotac).. thanks...10:14
mungbeanafter i ran the start openstack , unity froze and i couldnt access the vm10:22
bigcalmNeoti_Desktop: this is the source for known working hardware: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/10:22
shaunoodd, it's been working in a VM here10:23
mungbeanoh, it hasn't frozen, just amazingly slow10:24
mungbeankeypresses are 30 secs behind10:25
shaunoah, virtualbox?10:29
shaunodoesn't appear to support guests that require vt-x (per https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/4032 ), so running a VM inside a guest is going to be a bucket of pain10:30
DJonesBloody hell, looking through some vehicle parts invoices from suppliers at, I hadn't realised how much of markup (ripoff tax) there are on some parts,a wishbone part has a retail price of £400.54, cost to us £37.9510:32
mungbeancar garages are eeevil10:34
DJonesThis isn't the garage price, thats just the parts suppliers prices10:35
BigRedSOoh that's a healthy markuop10:36
BigRedSI used to work in a bike shop, and we had some crazy variable markups from suppliers. One product would have ~3% and another ~10:36
BigRedSHm. Errant newline10:36
diploDJones: I worked in Electrical Wholesal, a drum of 10.0mm T&E cable ( showers/cookers etc ) retailed at £200k10:37
diploSold for £100 ish10:37
DJones£20K down to £100.... That sounds like it fell off the back of a lorry :)10:38
diploJust stupid retail prices set by suppliers10:39
diploWe auto added 80% default on all customers, and mainly sold it at cost + a slight mark up as there was no money in cable10:39
diploCopper was to expensive, probably still is10:39
DJonesVauxhall front brake pads, cost £7.70, list price £46.3510:40
diploOooh, I need some rear ones, even with postage that's cheaper...10:40
* diplo knows who to harass10:40
DJonesI wonder whether the list price was set when the product was first sold and hasn't been updated to reflect the reduced cost price10:41
diploIt's fairly standard practice afaik, most of the products I've supplied have always been fairly high. So customer thinks when you give them a largish discount that that they have got a good deal10:42
BigRedSyeah, they're generally high either to make discounts easy or to make up for products where there's so much competition that you can't make much on them10:44
mungbeanshauno: after starting the openstack, do u know the default password to login to the web UI?10:45
shaunoubuntu/ubuntu123  (it's in the textfile on the desktop)10:45
shaunoalong with pointers to some images you can load up, which makes clicking around more entertaining10:46
mungbeanthanks shauno i was "more Getting*" on the console and it only showed 20 lines, which i thought was the whole file10:48
mungbeanless works though10:48
mungbeanoh dear, i really shouldn't play pastebin roulette10:53
mungbeansome interesting ones in there :\10:54
mungbeanin among millions from boot-repair on paste.ubuntu.com10:54
mungbeanis this a deliberate spam? is there such a thing as pastebin spam? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5700000/10:55
Laneyi think there's just form spam10:56
shaunoI assume so, pastebin.com drags me through a capatcha if I have too many URLs in a paste10:56
mungbeanpicking random numbers usually gives me boot-repair pastes10:56
shaunonow that's a whole new level of boredom10:58
mungbeani used to play ubuntu one roulette but they changed the urls to harder ones11:00
mungbeani was interested to see what ubuntu pastebin was being used for11:01
kvarleyHow can I connect via sftp with a custom port using the location format sftp://user@domain.com ?11:11
popeysftp://user@domain.com:port  ?11:13
popeyor use scp ☻11:14
Nafallooh, or per the question ;-)11:14
* Laney gives the weather the evil eye11:16
Laneyclouding over and becoming windy just in time for lunch11:16
BigRedSAnyone ever tried to restore a Zimbra mailbox from an rsync backup of /opt, rather than a Zimbra backup?11:22
mungbeanno, i use official backups from the paid version of zim11:23
mungbeanopenstack try to launch a cirrus image: "an error occurred"11:24
MooDoohmmm might need to look into openstack, heard a lot about it11:25
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kvarleyIs it possible to unbind Ctrl + Q ? Just closed my Firefox session with loads of tabs by accident, don't want it happening again11:34
BigRedSyou can tell firefox to not close like that11:35
BigRedSgo to about:config and search for 'quite'11:35
BigRedSthere's one called something like 'warnbeforequit' which used to be on but is now off for no good reason11:36
SuperMattI set my homepage to about:home so I can restart tabs with a single click11:37
jussiI just use chromium... :P11:37
BigRedSit's "browser.showQuitWarning", set that to true and it'll say "Do you want to quit?"11:37
BigRedSI tried to use Chromium but after about half an hour of trying to get its noscript to work I went back to Firefox11:37
kvarleyThanks BigRedS :)11:37
BigRedSno worries!11:38
kvarleyI used to use Chromium because Firefox was really slow, I now have new hardware so I can't tell. Plus Chromium gets more and more Google tracking stuff all the time I got a bit worried about using it11:38
kvarleyIf you type in example.com in the Chromium search box or localhost it will google search it instead of going to the url11:38
BigRedSin the search box? That's exactly what I'd want it to do11:39
kvarleyBigRedS: Sorry I meant the address bar haha11:40
BigRedShuh, so you stick a domain with no URI in and it searches for it? That sounds dumb11:41
BigRedSMine doesn't11:42
kvarleyNo idea why mine did then11:42
kvarleyThis was a while back11:43
bigcalmAfternoon peeps11:51
bigcalmTrying to work from a McDonnald's is surprisingly difficult11:51
SuperMattI'll bet11:52
SuperMattIIRC mcdonalds actually resent having free wifi, because it increased the average time of someone sitting down from about 10 minutes to half an hour11:52
davmor2bigcalm: you hippie11:52
SuperMattwhich meant they didn't get quite so much custom11:52
kvarleyBut surely they get people going and buying stuff purely to use the wifi?11:55
mungbeanlike using the toilet11:56
mungbeanmCD are providers of public toilets11:56
popeyand free parking11:56
SuperMattyeah, but then you have a guy just having one burger and a coffee, and using the net for half an hour11:56
popeyand free ice11:56
popeywe always get ice for parties from mcd11:56
popeywalk in with an empty bucket, walk out with a bucket of ice11:57
bigcalmThis McDonnald's is over the road from the Halfords where DAB is being fitted to my car11:57
SuperMattcan we stop talking about mcdonalds now? I fear I may crave and head out for a mcflurry11:57
* kvarley is going for lunch - all the talk of mcdonalds has made me hungry11:58
davmor2bigcalm: is that actually happening today?11:58
bigcalmdavmor2: I gave the bloke my car key, so I hope so11:59
davmor2bigcalm: woohoo!11:59
davmor2bigcalm: the bloke was in a halfords, and wearing a halfords uniform right?11:59
bigcalmdavmor2: Yes, but now that I think about it, it could have been an exceedingly elaborate ploy to half-inch my car12:00
davmor2bigcalm: I'm glad I dropped that thought into your head then :)  I win !12:00
bigcalmdavmor2: you're an odd lad :)12:01
davmor2bigcalm: When have you ever heard me say I'm normal?  I always claim to be a weirdo and nobody ever argues with me on that point :)12:02
davmor2just ask czajkowski12:03
czajkowskiso true12:04
czajkowskiso much fun on hangouts12:04
czajkowskitrust me12:04
bigcalmczajkowski: eggs are looking good. Is that the result of 1 collection?12:05
czajkowskinope a few days maybe since thursday I think12:05
czajkowskifrom 3 chickens12:05
czajkowski1 RIP'd12:06
davmor2czajkowski: you need to start cooking them eggs before they start going off12:06
AlanBelleggs last for ages12:06
davmor2czajkowski: how come?12:06
czajkowskifrehs eggs last a long time12:06
czajkowskino idea Jon came home and roast was just flat out dead in the coup12:06
davmor2BigRedS: they are all named after cooking methods12:07
czajkowskibutterfly got out yesterday and went into the next door neighbours garden12:07
czajkowskispatchcock made her way into the kitchen today cheeky bird12:07
czajkowskiand perri perri lays nice darker brown eggs12:07
* AlanBell wants an egg-skelter12:07
davmor2AlanBell: I read that as egg shelter I was going to say surely it is just called a box :)12:09
bigcalmMeh. Laptop crashed with funky graphics12:09
czajkowskithats cool12:09
czajkowskiI like my chicken basket12:10
czajkowskinever imagined it being used for eggs12:10
czajkowskibut one never knows the logic of Jon :)12:10
davmor2bigcalm: it hates you12:10
bigcalmdavmor2: 12.10 hates me. 13.04 better be amazing12:11
davmor2bigcalm: it's way better than 12.1012:11
BigRedSI have _so_ many issues on my 12.10 pc at home12:11
BigRedSwhich I'm not convinced aren't largely hw issues12:11
czajkowskibigcalm: online services still12:12
bigcalmdavmor2: is there anybody at the LUG in a profession where they could counter sign my passport renewal application?12:13
BigRedSczajkowski: ah, was that for me?12:13
BigRedSI've largely abandoned the idea of online accounts 'cause I'm not interested enough to put that much effort in it... Apparently it'll work in 13.04 so next time I'm in Ubuntu for long enough I'll dist upgrade and see what happens12:14
czajkowskiyes BigRedS12:14
BigRedSBut I just gave Wargaming some money so I'll generally be playing World of Tanks whenever I'm anywhere near my PC12:14
davmor2bigcalm: Me, Ron, Ron's Wife, Alex, Adam, Infact most of them12:14
andrewebdevSometimes when I resize a window, and a dialog pops up, I lose the resize functionality all together. I can still see the orange highlight from when I started the resize, but it doesn't go away at all, and I cannot resize any other windows. Is there a way to fix this other than to re-log?12:15
AlanBellthey are relaxed about professions now12:15
MooDoohello davmor2 :)12:15
bigcalmdavmor2: you're in this list? https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications12:15
davmor2MooDoo: me owld mucka, ow' be ya12:15
MooDoodavmor2: yeah not 3 bad lad.12:16
BigRedSjournalists are deemed to have integrity?12:16
davmor2MooDoo:  engineer (with professional qualifications)  and I own a company :P12:17
bigcalmFair enough :)12:18
MooDoodavmor2: ?12:18
davmor2MooDoo: what was the ? for12:19
MooDooi said i'm ok you said "engineer (with professional qualifications)  and I own a company :P12:19
MooDoogot confused12:19
davmor2MooDoo:  2 conversations at the same time :)12:20
bigcalm1h 19m have passed in the 1h 30m allocated time. Must be close to completion I hope12:20
bigcalmOne thing about using a laptop in McDonald's is having to be cautious about opening links12:22
MooDoobigcalm: yeah especially if it's to wimpy or burger king ;)12:23
mungbeanremember that sheep addon for sniffing unencrypted fb12:23
MooDooroll on 5:30 beer o'clock12:24
davmor2bigcalm: you're assuming they only have your car to work on.  Wrong, wrong, wrong-tiddly-wrong-wrong12:25
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bigcalmdavmor2: one bloke doing the fittings and mine was booked in from 12pm to 1.30pm. Will buzz them soon if they don't get to me 1st12:33
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MooDooCan I upgrade from LTS to 13.04 using update manager, ie skip 12.10?12:41
SuperMattI'm not sure you can :/12:41
kvarleyWouldn't changing the sources lists to the quantal ones work?12:50
kvarleyI guess your issue would be if some packages have been renamed or merged into others12:51
MooDoojust curious to be honest, I'm replacing the HDD with SSD soon, so I'll just wait and download the iso when it's out12:51
kvarleyIt'd be nice if Ubuntu went rolling with a snapshot every year or something12:53
davmor2MooDoo: No it will goto 12.10. you can insert a 13.04 dvd and do an upgrade from that but to be honest I would a do a fresh install and just replace your data12:54
MooDoodavmor2: i'll be doing that when I get the SSD replacement, was just curious.12:56
kvarleydavmor2: Would manually changing the apt sources work?12:58
MooDookvarley: yes I suspect it would12:58
davmor2kvarley: you can but that can lead to a lot of mess12:58
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kvarleyOk :)13:00
davmor2kvarley: for instance straight away you would have unity 2d as a desktop choice which may or maynot work with the newer version of qt in raring etc13:00
MooDooI think I'll just re-install, it's not that hard.13:00
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kvarleydavmor2: Ah yeah, ok13:01
MooDooupgrading to 8gb in the laptop too so I can run some vm's13:02
* bigcalm calls Halfords and drums his fingers13:08
SuperMattthey still not done?13:09
SuperMattthat maccy d must be really getting to you now13:09
bigcalmNope. 2h into a 1.5h appointment, thought I'd give them a call to find out what was happening. A bloke has gone to find out for me13:10
SuperMattI would hate to be in mcdonalds for so long13:10
SuperMattI fear I would feel the grease just seeping in to my pores, turning me into a grease monster13:10
bigcalmApparently it's just been finished. Time to pack up and ship out13:11
bigcalmLaptop battery has lasted well :)13:11
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popeythats one way to avoid the issue13:14
popeyEOL the distro13:15
mungbeanwhat is fuduntu?13:16
mungbeanworst name ever btw13:16
MooDoopopey: it'll re-appear someday reading that post, like a [the thing that rises from the flames] lol13:17
mungbeanoh they are gonna fork it13:17
SuperMattclassic. If you can't reach your goals, fork it and set new goals!13:18
MooDooah so it's just fedora that looks pretty13:18
SuperMattI'd use mageia for that, or rosa13:18
mungbeanwell it does seem to centre around the main bloke retiring13:18
SuperMattor just use fedora and switch to cinnamon13:18
SuperMattalthough fedora seems to be circling the drain at the moment13:19
SuperMatt18 was shambolic13:19
MooDooor just use X as there are so many to choose from nowadays13:19
mungbeanlunchtime headmash: A and B are the same colour: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Grey_square_optical_illusion.PNG13:20
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mungbeanmotorola lapdock $50 wow13:25
mungbeanonly works with atrix?13:25
mungbean(and raspberry pi)13:28
MooDooSteak and Ale for tea :)13:37
SuperMattI need to think of something nice to do with my venison steaks13:43
kvarleyI think DNS is making my network slow, is there a way I can time how long it takes to resolve an IP from a domain name?13:56
kvarleyDisabling ipv6 in firefox removes the resolve time13:56
AlanBelldig example.com13:56
AlanBell;; Query time: 15 msec13:57
kvarleyAlanBell: ";; connection timed out: no servers could be reached"13:57
davmor2MooDoo: your 80 what, you don't look a day over 60 bud ;)13:57
AlanBellkvarley: erk13:58
davmor2MooDoo: I'm sorry did that came out wrong I meant happy birthday ;)13:58
kvarleyAlanBell: I don't have the issue on other tablets, PCs in the house so it's not the connection13:58
bigcalmFinally back in my office14:10
bigcalmListened to Absolute80s on the way home. That's what it's all about14:11
Myrttibest use of a new car stereo then14:15
bigcalmThat and BBC 6 Music14:15
Myrttiyou should have had an mp3 of a thrice copied 1983 Ultravox cassette14:15
Myrttior Duran Duran14:16
bigcalmI think Hayley has all of their CDs14:16
bigcalmAnd cassettes14:17
davmor2Myrtti: Absolute 80's is the bomb :)14:17
mungbeanthis openstack is giving me loads of errors :(14:17
kvarleyNetwork manager is ignoring my setting to ignore IPv6, how can I fix that?14:19
bigcalmWhy would you want to disable IPv6?14:20
kvarleybigcalm: Well currently DNS keeps timing out14:20
kvarleyMy router isn't capable of ipv614:20
mungbeanhttp://i.imgur.com/LqI8Jl9.png << openstack problems :(14:25
davmor2kvarley: mine doesn't do ipv6 but I don't get time outs on DNS, what makes you so sure it is ipv6 at fault?14:26
davmor2mungbean: did the systems build yet if not then you won't gain access from port 8014:26
davmor2mungbean: the fact there is no ip address list makes me think maybe not :)14:27
bittinwas some snailmail from UK in my mailbox today :>14:28
kvarleydavmor2: Well pages always hung on resolving until I disabled ipv6 in firefox and when I dig a domain it times out14:29
mungbeandavmor2: just says Error, not much help supplied.14:29
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davmor2mungbean: it does give you an error above though. It can't fetch volumes due to 404, then when you look there is no ip addresses for anything so the rest is assumption which of course is the mother of all fups :)14:33
mungbeancan't create volumes (Error) , and can't launch image (Error)14:34
mungbeanno more is explained14:34
davmor2mungbean: yes because there is no ip address for the service to connect to so it can't give you any more info, am I looking at it differently to you?14:36
mungbeanhmm its gone unresponsive again. might just give up for now14:39
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bittinhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH5nFjOCAAAQzcD.jpg:large svårt o fota sig själv :p14:50
bigcalm!english | bittin14:51
lubotu3bittin: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList14:51
DJonesHave Any of the chilli fan's caught the programme on radio 4 about chilli eating and production14:55
DJoneswould Have highlighted it when it started but Was driving home14:56
MooDooCHILLIES i love em14:59
bigcalmJust tested the UPS with a multi-meter. The output voltage drops from 242 to 167 volts when inverting. No wonder everything dies instantly14:59
AlanBelleww, 167 sounds worse than zero15:00
DJonesI'm guessing it'll be available as a listen again via the web15:00
TheOpenSourcererIt's called "The Food Programme" on BBC R4 and on listen again.15:01
MooDooMy fave is Bhut Jolikia yum15:01
DJonesThey mentioned this one http://www.amazon.com/Naga-Soreass-Hot-Sauce-Oz/dp/B0049HSZLQ15:03
popeyI put two drops of daves insanity sauce on my lunch the other day, blew my head off15:05
MooDoomy fave one - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_Bhut_Jolokia15:06
* TheOpenSourcerer doesn't want to think about heads blowing off right now.15:06
MooDoobut didn't yours just get friendly with a car wing mirror?15:07
TheOpenSourcererYes. But "just" isn't quite enough the way it feels today.15:07
MooDoowell it was pretty impressive looking the other day :) you daft <insert expletive here> ;)15:09
TheOpenSourcererMooDoo: I am more and more convinced my drink(s) was spiked.15:10
bigcalmTheOpenSourcerer: anybody you don't get on with at the lunchon?15:12
TheOpenSourcererNope - I suspect more prankster than malicious.15:12
* AlanBell wasn't there ;)15:12
TheOpenSourcererMy friend Bryan was also almost comatose after a similar quantity of booze to me - and he likes a drink too.15:13
AlanBellwhat was the food?15:13
TheOpenSourcererAntipasti starter, A lovely huge slow roested lamb shank15:13
TheOpenSourcererand then cheese15:14
AlanBellok, no weird fish then15:15
AlanBellor shrooms15:15
TheOpenSourcerer*everyone* ate the same. But on our table of 10, I think Bryan and I were the only two that drank a couple of pints of Doombar before we sat dow. The others had Guiness or Tea (Hogs Back tea)15:15
bigcalmSo you were Doomed from the start15:44
bigcalmOoo, Suggs on Saturday. Something to help me get through the week :)15:47
mungbean^^ someone try to visit that site pleas?15:50
bigcalm(Connection refused)15:50
mungbeanredirects to localhost15:51
AlanBellredirects to http://localhost:10002/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-cloud15:51
bigcalmOh yes :)15:51
AlanBellI wonder if that is a Daviey thing15:51
AlanBellhow did you get to that page mungbean?15:52
AlanBellhttp://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-cloud is linked to from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud which is a 40415:53
popeyknown problem15:56
* bigcalm guesses proxy failure16:03
davmor2bigcalm: I see what you did there you added an r to poxy16:04
* bigcalm grumbles at AutoDAB. The interface is buggy and doesn't always work. Ho hum16:05
bigcalmdavmor2: would work okay with your car as you don't have telephone support16:06
davmor2I'd rather have the telephone support :)16:07
bigcalmMy car is quite common, I'm sure there should be a work around16:09
davmor2bigcalm: there is you have to kick it 6 times before a sharp twist to the left ;)16:10
bigcalmdavmor2: this is possibly true16:10
davmor2bigcalm: daft as it sounds it might be an issue with your Ariel16:11
davmor2unless the reception is awesome16:11
bigcalmThe reception is fine, it's the control that is messed up16:11
davmor2have a read on the t'interwebz16:12
bigcalmDocumentation is limited16:13
bigcalmdavmor2: this is the best source of information for using the AutoDAB with a Peugeot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYxHxYr6Yk16:15
bigcalmdavmor2: but the demonstration doesn't have telephone control from the steering wheel stork16:16
bigcalmOh, I tell a lie, it doee16:16
davmor2liar liar pants on fire16:16
* bigcalm grumbles and gets back to work16:17
davmor2bigcalm: that'll be the flaming pants making you grumble I bet :P16:18
DavieyAlanBell / popey: Did you ping me?16:19
* bigcalm closes the curtains16:21
bigcalmThunderbird has gone silly(er)16:22
bigcalmCalendar reminder keeps reopening itself when I try to close it16:23
SuperMattoh, I've had that16:23
SuperMattcan't remember how I fixed it though D:16:23
bigcalmRestarting Thunderbird has not fixed it16:23
zleapthe calender app is lightning16:24
zleapmaybe you need to reinstall it16:24
SuperMattthat won't help16:24
SuperMattfor as long as the storage.sdb file is there, the problem will reoccour16:25
bigcalmMore reasons why I want to ditch Thunderbird16:26
SuperMattcalendaring should have been built in by default16:26
SuperMattif geary really want to make the best email client, they need to get calendars right16:27
bigcalmDoes it do calendars?16:27
SuperMatt10 days left and they're only 25% of the way through16:27
SuperMattnot yet16:27
bigcalmIs geary striving to be a PIM or just an email client?16:27
SuperMattwell, they say email client16:28
SuperMattbut the thing is that there are no good calendar programs!16:28
bigcalmDoes gmail offer LDAP or other means to sync contacts?16:28
SuperMattI don't know :/16:29
SuperMattgtg, bye guys16:29
davmor2bigcalm: I'm guessing it does then :)16:41
bigcalmdavmor2: what does what?16:46
davmor2bigcalm: gmail sync for contacts16:48
davmor2bigcalm: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/software/3357383/sync-gmail-contacts-with-thunderbird-automatically/ I found that if that helps16:49
bigcalmdavmor2: thanks for that16:55
davmor2bigcalm: did it help16:55
bigcalmdavmor2: no idea, I'm busy elsewhere :)16:56
bigcalmI shall look later16:57
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer, AlanBell: Do you have any protips on making vtiger faster without buying more hardware?17:04
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AlanBellDaviey: some ubuntu cloud website oddness, but apparently not your problem17:30
AlanBellMartijnVdS: yes, I can make it go faster17:30
AlanBellthere are a heap of database indexes that can be added to speed things up, and I can make the reports go masses faster17:31
AlanBell(faster by a factor of 500 for one customer)17:31
MartijnVdSwithout hax0ring the code?17:31
AlanBellreport fix needs hax0ring the code, the rest is just adding database indexes17:32
MartijnVdSoh wow.. this is a fresh install for my brothers (& their microbrewery business)17:32
MartijnVdSI'd have thought it created its own indexed17:32
AlanBellit does, but not enough of them17:32
AlanBellit depends how much data is in the database, some things need more optimisation17:33
MartijnVdSthere isn't much in it yet -- it's still fresh17:33
AlanBellok, in that case, sorry it is horrifically inefficient :(17:34
MartijnVdSis it just indexes on foreign keys etc? Or also other fields?17:34
AlanBellfor searching we use sphinxsearch17:34
AlanBellI turned on reporting all queries that don't use indexes to /var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log17:35
MartijnVdSah that's a good start I guess17:35
AlanBellthen everything that turned up there, I created indexes to get rid of it17:35
MartijnVdSI'll enable that and have a look17:37
neurowell hello17:37
AlanBellMartijnVdS: http://www.derosetechnologies.com/community/vtiger-sphinxsearch17:37
directhexsphinxsearch is nice17:37
neurofinally the neuro has COME BACK TO #ubuntu-uk17:37
directhexfor a java monstrosity, anyway17:37
AlanBellthat doesn't install completely cleanly, I can dig out our instructions17:37
directhexwe use sphinx as a replacement mediawiki search provider17:37
MartijnVdSAlanBell: I think I can figure it out :) Thanks for the help!17:38
AlanBellbut that is massively faster than the *huge* search query it generates searching every field LIKE "%foo%"17:38
AlanBellMartijnVdS: we are running vtiger on a quickish processor with RAID SSD17:39
AlanBelloh and there are some mysql performance tweaks, buffer pool size I think17:40
* MartijnVdS -> gym now17:40
bigcalmdirecthex: you've got a nose for steam discounts. When would be a good time to by the recent Bioshock game?18:02
* directhex wets finger, holds it up18:03
directhexit'll be 25-33% off in the summer sale (july)18:03
bigcalmI can wait for that18:03
bigcalmNow, when do we get HL ep3 and Portal3? ;)18:03
directhexmy skill is sales, not new titles :p18:04
bigcalmHo hum18:04
* bigcalm buys a comb for his cat instead18:05
directhexi have no predictions regarding valve sequels18:05
bigcalmNice that HL2 death match is on Linux steam. Though I really look forward to having HL2 running in Linux without messing18:06
directhexi imagine there are odd graphics bugs in the main game proper which are not exposed in any of the deathmatch maps18:07
bigcalmI've got to a point in Opposing Force where I can't see how to progress or it's a bug and I can't progress18:07
bigcalmYes, that's what I was thinking as well18:07
bigcalmI don't know if you've played recently enough to remember. But it's the alien that comes through a portal and you have to shoot its eyes with 2 fixed lasers. I've defeated it, but there's nothing to do afterwards18:09
directhexthe final boss, then?18:10
bigcalmIt is?18:10
bigcalmI thought there was more to the game18:10
directhexit's just an expansion18:10
bigcalmI thought the same about Blue Shift as well18:10
bigcalmMy memory is possibly confusing hl, blue shift, opposing force and hl218:11
directhexyou can just watch the ending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FglcQ0fgfxM&feature=player_detailpage#t=238s18:11
directhexblue shift is just the extra content from the dreamcast version of half-life. it's not even a full expansion18:12
bigcalmYeah, it didn't green flash and fade to cut screen18:13
* bigcalm moves the game into the completed category18:14
popeyhappy birthday MooDoo18:45
Laneywhat's the format for work items for this month? Work items for ubuntu-13.04-month-6?18:46
Laneyoops, wrong channel18:46
mungbeanyou need #ubuntu-cats18:49
mungbeanis the source code for lubottu available?18:55
Laneythere's lp:ubuntu-bots which may or may not be it18:56
AlanBellthat is it18:57
Myrttioutdoors IRC19:30
diddledansad news :-( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-2216069120:19
dwatkinsyeah, I'm watching the News24 feed here, utterly deplorable: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-2216097820:20
diddledanI've got the news24 running on my tv20:21
popeyso... bug 116701920:25
lubotu3bug 1167019 in linux (Ubuntu) "wifi packet loss on intel Centrino Wireless-N 1000 " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116701920:25
popeyclean install of precise works, update it to latest precise and it doesn't, update to raring and it also breaks20:25
popeytrying to figure out which package to try upgrading next which may break it20:25
ali1234the kernel, obviously20:25
popeywpasupplicant, network-manager?20:25
popeynewer kernel is fine20:26
ali1234it has to be20:26
diddledanis there a firmware package anyplace?20:26
popeyon raring I have tried numerous kernels and it's always busted20:26
popeyon precise it always works, until I dist-upgrade20:26
popeysame firmware diddledan20:26
ali1234even if you update only the kernel?20:27
popeyi am using upstream kernel builds20:27
popeytried 3.8 on raring, still works fine20:27
popeynot done an "upgrade" of the kernel only20:27
SuperMattdid you try reversing the polarity on the deflector dish?20:27
ali1234you need to change only one thing at a tme20:27
ali1234which is what i was getting at the other day20:27
bigcalmSuperMatt: did you manage to create a daemon?20:28
popeything is, precise shipped with 3.220:28
popeyand then in an update got 3.520:28
SuperMattbigcalm: yeah, I did :)20:28
popeybut lots of others along the way20:28
bigcalmSuperMatt: nice one20:28
ali1234so install 12.04 and then update only the kernel packages manually, using the distro packages20:28
SuperMattit's reading json files now20:28
popeyok, that's easy20:28
SuperMattbut I need to pad out the code with error checking and stuff20:29
diddledanthere's a firmware package: $ dpkg -l |grep firmware20:29
diddledanii  linux-firmware                            1.95                                                  all          Firmware for Linux kernel drivers20:29
bigcalmSuperMatt: great progress :)20:29
popeydiddledan: as I said, same version20:29
bigcalmSuperMatt: is it reading more than one account from the JSON config?20:29
ali1234i must say that i've been down this road before20:29
ali1234i kept testing kernels20:29
SuperMattbigcalm: not yet, but it can do20:29
ali1234in the end it turned out the card was just broken and the packet loss was totally random even though i thought there was a pattern to it for weeks20:29
popeyi can easily reproduce this20:30
diddledanin that case then the next upgrade imo would be to try iw and wireless-tools20:30
ali1234i could too: just scp about 10GB and it would crash out with mac errors due to packet corruption20:30
diddledanwork from the kernel up out to the userspace20:30
popeydisabling N on raring "fixes" it20:30
ali1234it would corrupt http transfers too20:31
SuperMattbigcalm: the hardest bits are yet to come20:31
popeymine just drops20:31
SuperMattgetting a program to do what you want is easy20:31
popeynm shows connection active but it stops passing packets20:31
popeyso dns fails, ssh connections bork20:31
SuperMattgetting a program to not do what you don't want is where you want to punch things20:31
popeythen come back 60s later20:31
bigcalmSuperMatt: what do you see as being the hard bit?20:31
bigcalmUnit tests \o/20:31
SuperMattI've not had to deal with unit tests20:32
diddledanI don;t want to suggest the obvious, but the dnsmasq resolv.conf.. does it point to your dns server on your router or isp?20:33
SuperMattbut I suspect that the hardest bits will be ensuring all errors are dealt with20:33
bigcalmSuperMatt: they take more time than it takes to code the project. But they save so much hair pulling in the long run20:33
popeyits not that, disabling N fixes it20:33
popey(works around)20:33
SuperMattright, closing my browsers now, I can't watch this any more20:34
bigcalmSuperMatt: is timer in seconds? (eg 300 for 5 mins)20:35
bigcalmYou might want to take out the hard paths as well20:36
SuperMattI will do that20:36
SuperMattI just put in hard paths for testing new features20:36
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diddledanpopey, it looks like network-manager directly depends on wpasupplicant, and I can't see any other wireless-related packages in depends20:40
popeyI'm going to do a clean install on another usb stick20:40
popeyand then upgrade it20:41
popeyto prove 100% that updating a precise install breaks it, in case I am mad20:41
diddledansupposition of madness is always healthy.. unless you really are mad20:42
popeyits possible20:42
diddledan(I'm mad, btw :-p)20:43
bigcalmSuperMatt: ImportError: No module named daemon20:43
bigcalmSuperMatt: I'm guessing that I need to install python-daemon20:45
SuperMattyup yup20:47
bigcalmThat fixed it20:47
SuperMattsorry, not keeping my eye on here at the minute ;)20:47
SuperMattyou need a json with username, password, server, daemon, and timer options set. THough I'm sure you can spot that in the main.py20:47
* bigcalm emails himself20:48
bigcalmSuperMatt: yep, made a JSON string with those items20:48
bigcalmSuperMatt: want bug reports? :)20:50
bigcalmOoo, just thought of a feature: when displaying the OSD, fetch the sender's avatar from gravatar20:51
* bigcalm becomes one with evil clients everywhere20:52
ali1234popey: suggests you dump a list of every package version before and after update20:55
popeyali1234: wise21:00
popeywell, i certainly have the package list on this machine where it works21:00
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/5711518/  ###### before  (for my personal record)21:01
popeyi have two USB sticks so will have a before stick and an after stick21:01
popey only upgrading wpasupplicant seems okay23:15
* popey updates network-manager next23:17
popeynetwork-manager alone, no other packages23:17
popeyboots pretty quick off usb23:18
popeyseems okay so far23:21
* popey ponders what to do next23:22
diddledanthree other potential packages to try upgrading one-at-a-time are wl, wireless-tools and rfkill23:25
popeygonna do the kernel first23:26
popey  linux-headers-3.2.0-40 linux-headers-3.2.0-40-generic linux-image-3.2.0-40-generic23:26
popeydpkg is so slow on usb23:29
* popey reboots from 3.2.0-23-generic into 3.2.0-40-generic23:33
popey(not expecting this to fail)23:33
popeyseems okay on 3.2.0-40-generic23:39
popeyopenssl next...23:47
popeyPreparing to replace openssl 1.0.1-4ubuntu3 (using .../openssl_1.0.1-4ubuntu5.8_amd64.deb) ...23:47
ali1234if openssl caused packet loss i will be extremely surprised23:55
popeyyeah, it didnt23:56
popeynot sure what to try next23:56
popeyand am now questioning my own testing ☹23:56
ali1234did you try only updating kernel?23:58
ali12343.2-ubuntu -> 3.5-ubuntu23:59
popeynot gone to 3.5 yet23:59
popeynot sure what pulls that in23:59
popeydist-upgrade doesn't23:59

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