[06:58] <jacobw> Morning ubunteros
[07:00] <apacheuk> morning all
[07:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all
[07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> from the man with the very hurty face :-(
[07:53] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:53] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: 0uch ouch
[07:54] <AlanBell> morning TheOpenSourcerer
[07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[07:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> sheesh my face hurts today :-(
[07:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Picture coming up...
[08:09] <daubers> Morning
[08:13] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[08:22] <daubers> nice to be back in blighty
[08:25] <Lil-|^Red> ~OT | Here's a new one : What's everyone thnk of Go-Faster Stripes on an External Hard Disk ?? http://bit.ly/17caY6a
[08:29] <MooDoo> Lil-|^Red: think i'll get that if it'll make things go faster ;)
[08:35] <popey> USB 2 ☹
[08:36] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, folks, hope everyone had a great Look Up At The Sky Day yesterday!
[08:36] <SuperMatt> I can see the sky now and it's *still* blue!
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> My face day 3. Looks better but HURTS so much more - ouch. https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/status/323712934817722368/photo/1
[08:37] <JamesTait> Same here!
[08:37] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, you don't do things by haves, do you?
[08:37] <JamesTait> s/haves/halves
[08:37] <SuperMatt> ouchy, what happened?
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not deliberately
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lunch
[08:37] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, most importantly, are you OK?
[08:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Well, I am alive. My face hurts (aches) but it's mostly grazing I think.
[08:38] <jacobw> Yes, what happened?
[08:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> I went for lunch on Friday
[08:39] <SuperMatt> did an alcohol happen?
[08:39] <DJones> Thats a dangerous lunch
[08:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> When I woke up on Saturday morning my face looked like this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/instantupload/5866225586234215154
[08:40] <Lil-|^Red> TheOpenSourcerer: It does need a nice lovely bow on yur forehead to make a good pict.
[08:40] <BigRedS> This is why I skip lunch on Fridays
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> SuperMatt: I am beginning to strongly suspect someone slipped a Mickey Finn into something I drank.
[08:41] <SuperMatt> wow
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had no hangover to speak of. I didn't, for me, drink *that* much. But can;t remember anything
[08:42] <SuperMatt> I know we're not allowed to swear in here, so that's most of what I want to say out of the window
[08:42] <SuperMatt> did anything go missing?
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> and according to my friend who looked after me and brought me home I was unable to stand - completely.
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> After 2 pints of bitter and bottle of wine? Nah. Not me.
[08:43] <SuperMatt> sounds like someone was probably hoping they'd be able to take stuff off you
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nothing I noticed. Still had £140 in my pocket.
[08:43] <SuperMatt> yeah, I'm a small guy and *I* can handle that much
[08:43] <SuperMatt> is it possible someone knew you had that much in pocket?
[08:44] <SuperMatt> someone I knew once made the mistake of going to the pub with £500 in his pocket
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> I suspect this was more of a "prank" than anything malicious.
[08:44] <SuperMatt> their mistake was knocking him down next to a brick
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> It was a Rugby club lunch everyone was pretty loaded.
[08:44] <jacobw> Perhaps you had a bad reaction to due to $SOMETHING
[08:45]  * AlanBell blames the tie
[08:45] <Lil-|^Red> TheOpenSourcerer: At least you didn't mope around A&E askin' that question .. that would have been a mistake-a to make-a.
[08:45] <mungbean> rohipnol
[08:45] <popey> having been drinking TheOpenSourcerer a few times I can confirm he can drink more than two pints ☻
[08:45] <jacobw> Some medication, or condition you're not aware of yet.
[08:46] <popey> which reminds me, we're going drinking next week
[08:46] <BigRedS> You drank TheOpenSourcerer!?
[08:46]  * popey will bring some plasters and TCP for TheOpenSourcerer ☻
[08:46] <SuperMatt> I'll be along late to the raring release party
[08:46] <mungbean> popey: get to the bottom of your wii prob?
[08:46] <mungbean> wifi
[08:46] <SuperMatt> I've got work drinks first
[08:46] <SuperMatt> someone save me a medium t-shirt!
[08:46] <popey> mungbean: yup, switch off n
[08:46] <AlanBell> raring party on thursday and beerex on friday
[08:46] <jacobw> When and where is the Raring release party?
[08:46] <mungbean> oh, i had that prob on intel 4956agn
[08:47] <BigRedS> Oh, wow, that'll be soon now
[08:47] <SuperMatt> next thursday
[08:47] <mungbean> but dmesg is blatant about it
[08:47]  * Lil-|^Red recommend the spray TCP rather than the med. liquid stuff.
[08:47] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2329-1304-release-party/
[08:47] <jacobw> Thanks
[08:47] <SuperMatt> the pub next to the golden hinde which I can never remember the name of
[08:47] <AlanBell> feel free to be tweeting and such about it
[08:47] <mungbean> SuperMatt: isn't it called the golden hind?
[08:47] <mungbean> the pub
[08:48] <SuperMatt> no, it's something else
[08:48] <Lil-|^Red> AlanBell: I'm thnkin' this will not be televised
[08:48] <Lil-|^Red>     i.e. G+Hangout ??
[08:48] <SuperMatt> The Old Thameside Inn
[08:48] <SuperMatt> I just always call it the golden hinde
[08:48] <AlanBell> Lil-|^Red: dunno, it might be I suppose
[08:48] <SuperMatt> there, I've registered
[08:49] <Lil-|^Red> AlanBell: Why not make History ?
[08:49]  * AlanBell prefers to make Geography
[08:49]  * Lil-|^Red prefers H2
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: I hope by next week most of the damage will be gone. It's healing pretty well.
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think that's why it hurts :-)
[08:56] <Lil-|^Red> AlanBell: It looks like our Realease day is near a beach .. no Wifi .. pretty much a wasted oppourtunity, me thnks. http://bit.ly/17cgtBR
[08:57] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[08:57] <Lil-|^Red> leaves.
[08:58] <Laney> wtf
[08:58] <popey> i think it's a protest at me
[09:00] <AlanBell> random
[09:07] <Myrtti> I'll have to try if I evoke the same reaction
[09:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:36] <bigcalm> I found out why my UPS was showing zero load. It's broken :) Brand new batteries, fully charged: switch off the mains, UPS clicks over to invert DC to AC but no power reaches the sockets
[09:37] <mungbean> belikn?
[09:37] <bigcalm> Yes
[09:37] <mungbean> as i said...door stop :P
[09:37] <bigcalm> :)
[09:37]  * AlanBell thinks UPS on the mains side is all wrong
[09:37] <bigcalm> Work purchase back in 2007. I've always used APC myself
[09:38] <AlanBell> google get it right in their datacentres, the UPS is on the low voltage side
[09:46] <bigcalm> Do I attempt to fix the Belkin door stop (I've just replaced the batteries) or cut my losses and put an APC unit?
[09:46] <bigcalm> s/put/buy
[09:46] <mungbean> wait till the replaced batteries are fully charged
[09:47] <mungbean> woops, you did that
[09:47] <BigRedS> AlanBell: yeah, it seems much more sensible to put UPS on the circuits that are low-voltage DC. Like, y'know, batteries are
[09:48] <BigRedS> I've long loved that we do 415V AC -> 12V DC -> 240V AC -> 12V DC
[09:49] <bigcalm> Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:49] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[09:50] <BigRedS> But then I have been known to advoctate sticking a laptop in a rack
[09:51] <mungbean> eww
[09:53] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:53] <BigRedS> Seemed sensible. ~8hrs built-in UPS to go with the built-in modem. It was pointed out that if everything else was down there would be little point connecting to that machine...
[09:57] <mungbean> was gonna try to do some openstack work today but a few sessions of 1hr sleep was not the best prepation
[09:59] <jacobw> My only tip with OpenStack is not to add to your confusion by using different passwords for each thing
[10:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:02] <BigRedS> What are you playing with openstack on? I keep meaning to have a go and then get distracted by something I already understadn :)
[10:03] <mungbean> yes BigRedS there's no all-enscapsulating dummies guide
[10:03] <jacobw> That's very true, a lot of the guides will get to a theoretically working state, but ommit the actual creation of VMs
[10:04] <AlanBell> BigRedS: yeah, totally agree with laptops as servers
[10:04] <jacobw> When I tried to evaluate it, I ran out of time in getting to the theoretical working state.
[10:04] <BigRedS> mungbean: but I'm an all-encompassing dummy!
[10:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:06] <shauno> do yourself a favour, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cloud-live/releases/12.04/   read the readme on the desktop, run the two scripts they put in your ~/bin/, and have a mimumum viable config in ~10 seconds
[10:08] <shauno> there's so many freaking components that if you try to start from scratch, you'll lose sanity before you gain functionality.  if you start with a functioning playground, you won't lose hope so quickly
[10:09] <BigRedS> oooh
[10:09] <BigRedS> that sounds like my sort of lazy
[10:09] <mungbean> what do the scripts give you?
[10:11] <shauno> honestly not actually sure, seems a couple of steps the livecd doesn't do itself.  one's to intialise z database, the second just starts the stack
[10:14] <Neoti_Desktop> hey people, will the latest LTS version of ubuntu support a zotac AD 13 plus + the HDMI splitter so i can have 3 monitors? (Zotac AD 13 : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-E2-1800-320GB-Wi-Fi-Bluetooth/dp/B00929GRP2#productDetails | Zotax HDMI Splitter: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-ZT-DP2HD-Dual-HDMI-Cable/dp/B005FSHHBW/ref=sr_1_66?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1366018958&sr=1-66&keywords=Zotac).. thanks...
[10:22] <mungbean> after i ran the start openstack , unity froze and i couldnt access the vm
[10:22] <bigcalm> Neoti_Desktop: this is the source for known working hardware: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[10:23] <shauno> odd, it's been working in a VM here
[10:24] <mungbean> oh, it hasn't frozen, just amazingly slow
[10:25] <mungbean> keypresses are 30 secs behind
[10:29] <shauno> ah, virtualbox?
[10:30] <shauno> doesn't appear to support guests that require vt-x (per https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/4032 ), so running a VM inside a guest is going to be a bucket of pain
[10:32] <DJones> Bloody hell, looking through some vehicle parts invoices from suppliers at, I hadn't realised how much of markup (ripoff tax) there are on some parts,a wishbone part has a retail price of £400.54, cost to us £37.95
[10:34] <mungbean> car garages are eeevil
[10:35] <DJones> This isn't the garage price, thats just the parts suppliers prices
[10:36] <BigRedS> Ooh that's a healthy markuop
[10:36] <BigRedS> I used to work in a bike shop, and we had some crazy variable markups from suppliers. One product would have ~3% and another ~
[10:36] <BigRedS> 100%
[10:36] <BigRedS> Hm. Errant newline
[10:37] <diplo> DJones: I worked in Electrical Wholesal, a drum of 10.0mm T&E cable ( showers/cookers etc ) retailed at £200k
[10:37] <diplo> £20k*
[10:37] <diplo> Sold for £100 ish
[10:38] <DJones> £20K down to £100.... That sounds like it fell off the back of a lorry :)
[10:39] <diplo> Just stupid retail prices set by suppliers
[10:39] <diplo> We auto added 80% default on all customers, and mainly sold it at cost + a slight mark up as there was no money in cable
[10:39] <diplo> Copper was to expensive, probably still is
[10:40] <DJones> Vauxhall front brake pads, cost £7.70, list price £46.35
[10:40] <diplo> Oooh, I need some rear ones, even with postage that's cheaper...
[10:40]  * diplo knows who to harass
[10:40] <diplo> :D
[10:41] <DJones> I wonder whether the list price was set when the product was first sold and hasn't been updated to reflect the reduced cost price
[10:42] <diplo> It's fairly standard practice afaik, most of the products I've supplied have always been fairly high. So customer thinks when you give them a largish discount that that they have got a good deal
[10:44] <BigRedS> yeah, they're generally high either to make discounts easy or to make up for products where there's so much competition that you can't make much on them
[10:45] <mungbean> shauno: after starting the openstack, do u know the default password to login to the web UI?
[10:45] <shauno> ubuntu/ubuntu123  (it's in the textfile on the desktop)
[10:46] <shauno> along with pointers to some images you can load up, which makes clicking around more entertaining
[10:48] <mungbean> thanks shauno i was "more Getting*" on the console and it only showed 20 lines, which i thought was the whole file
[10:48] <mungbean> less works though
[10:53] <mungbean> oh dear, i really shouldn't play pastebin roulette
[10:54] <mungbean> some interesting ones in there :\
[10:54] <mungbean> in among millions from boot-repair on paste.ubuntu.com
[10:55] <mungbean> is this a deliberate spam? is there such a thing as pastebin spam? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5700000/
[10:56] <Laney> i think there's just form spam
[10:56] <shauno> I assume so, pastebin.com drags me through a capatcha if I have too many URLs in a paste
[10:56] <mungbean> picking random numbers usually gives me boot-repair pastes
[10:58] <shauno> now that's a whole new level of boredom
[10:59] <BigRedS> haha
[11:00] <mungbean> i used to play ubuntu one roulette but they changed the urls to harder ones
[11:01] <mungbean> i was interested to see what ubuntu pastebin was being used for
[11:11] <kvarley> How can I connect via sftp with a custom port using the location format sftp://user@domain.com ?
[11:13] <popey> sftp://user@domain.com:port  ?
[11:14] <popey> or use scp ☻
[11:14] <Nafallo> s/com/tld/
[11:14] <Nafallo> oh, or per the question ;-)
[11:16]  * Laney gives the weather the evil eye
[11:16] <Laney> clouding over and becoming windy just in time for lunch
[11:22] <BigRedS> Anyone ever tried to restore a Zimbra mailbox from an rsync backup of /opt, rather than a Zimbra backup?
[11:23] <mungbean> no, i use official backups from the paid version of zim
[11:24] <mungbean> openstack try to launch a cirrus image: "an error occurred"
[11:25] <MooDoo> hmmm might need to look into openstack, heard a lot about it
[11:34] <kvarley> Is it possible to unbind Ctrl + Q ? Just closed my Firefox session with loads of tabs by accident, don't want it happening again
[11:35] <BigRedS> you can tell firefox to not close like that
[11:35] <BigRedS> go to about:config and search for 'quite'
[11:35] <BigRedS> er
[11:35] <BigRedS> '
[11:35] <BigRedS> 'quit'
[11:36] <BigRedS> there's one called something like 'warnbeforequit' which used to be on but is now off for no good reason
[11:37] <SuperMatt> I set my homepage to about:home so I can restart tabs with a single click
[11:37] <jussi> I just use chromium... :P
[11:37] <BigRedS> it's "browser.showQuitWarning", set that to true and it'll say "Do you want to quit?"
[11:37] <BigRedS> I tried to use Chromium but after about half an hour of trying to get its noscript to work I went back to Firefox
[11:37] <kvarley> Thanks BigRedS :)
[11:38] <BigRedS> no worries!
[11:38] <kvarley> I used to use Chromium because Firefox was really slow, I now have new hardware so I can't tell. Plus Chromium gets more and more Google tracking stuff all the time I got a bit worried about using it
[11:38] <kvarley> If you type in example.com in the Chromium search box or localhost it will google search it instead of going to the url
[11:39] <BigRedS> in the search box? That's exactly what I'd want it to do
[11:40] <kvarley> BigRedS: Sorry I meant the address bar haha
[11:40] <BigRedS> ahh
[11:41] <BigRedS> huh, so you stick a domain with no URI in and it searches for it? That sounds dumb
[11:42] <BigRedS> Mine doesn't
[11:42] <kvarley> Weird
[11:42] <kvarley> No idea why mine did then
[11:43] <kvarley> This was a while back
[11:51] <bigcalm> Afternoon peeps
[11:51] <SuperMatt> noon
[11:51] <bigcalm> Trying to work from a McDonnald's is surprisingly difficult
[11:52] <SuperMatt> I'll bet
[11:52] <SuperMatt> IIRC mcdonalds actually resent having free wifi, because it increased the average time of someone sitting down from about 10 minutes to half an hour
[11:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: you hippie
[11:52] <SuperMatt> which meant they didn't get quite so much custom
[11:55] <kvarley> But surely they get people going and buying stuff purely to use the wifi?
[11:56] <mungbean> like using the toilet
[11:56] <mungbean> mCD are providers of public toilets
[11:56] <popey> and free parking
[11:56] <SuperMatt> yeah, but then you have a guy just having one burger and a coffee, and using the net for half an hour
[11:56] <bigcalm> :)
[11:56] <popey> and free ice
[11:56] <popey> we always get ice for parties from mcd
[11:57] <popey> walk in with an empty bucket, walk out with a bucket of ice
[11:57] <bigcalm> This McDonnald's is over the road from the Halfords where DAB is being fitted to my car
[11:57] <SuperMatt> can we stop talking about mcdonalds now? I fear I may crave and head out for a mcflurry
[11:58]  * kvarley is going for lunch - all the talk of mcdonalds has made me hungry
[11:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: is that actually happening today?
[11:59] <bigcalm> davmor2: I gave the bloke my car key, so I hope so
[11:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: woohoo!
[11:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: the bloke was in a halfords, and wearing a halfords uniform right?
[12:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: Yes, but now that I think about it, it could have been an exceedingly elaborate ploy to half-inch my car
[12:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm glad I dropped that thought into your head then :)  I win !
[12:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: you're an odd lad :)
[12:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: When have you ever heard me say I'm normal?  I always claim to be a weirdo and nobody ever argues with me on that point :)
[12:03] <davmor2> just ask czajkowski
[12:04] <czajkowski> so true
[12:04] <czajkowski> so much fun on hangouts
[12:04] <czajkowski> trust me
[12:04] <bigcalm> :)
[12:05] <bigcalm> czajkowski: eggs are looking good. Is that the result of 1 collection?
[12:05] <czajkowski> nope a few days maybe since thursday I think
[12:05] <czajkowski> from 3 chickens
[12:06] <czajkowski> 1 RIP'd
[12:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: you need to start cooking them eggs before they start going off
[12:06] <AlanBell> eggs last for ages
[12:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: how come?
[12:06] <czajkowski> frehs eggs last a long time
[12:06] <czajkowski> no idea Jon came home and roast was just flat out dead in the coup
[12:06] <BigRedS> 'roast'?
[12:06] <BigRedS> haha
[12:07] <davmor2> BigRedS: they are all named after cooking methods
[12:07] <czajkowski> butterfly got out yesterday and went into the next door neighbours garden
[12:07] <czajkowski> spatchcock made her way into the kitchen today cheeky bird
[12:07] <czajkowski> and perri perri lays nice darker brown eggs
[12:07]  * AlanBell wants an egg-skelter
[12:09] <davmor2> AlanBell: I read that as egg shelter I was going to say surely it is just called a box :)
[12:09] <bigcalm> Meh. Laptop crashed with funky graphics
[12:09] <AlanBell> http://www.omlet.co.uk/shop/kitchen/egg_skelters/?gclid=CKzrxoLSzLYCFU3KtAod7DoAaA
[12:09] <czajkowski> thats cool
[12:10] <czajkowski> I like my chicken basket
[12:10] <czajkowski> never imagined it being used for eggs
[12:10] <czajkowski> but one never knows the logic of Jon :)
[12:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: it hates you
[12:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: 12.10 hates me. 13.04 better be amazing
[12:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's way better than 12.10
[12:11] <BigRedS> I have _so_ many issues on my 12.10 pc at home
[12:11] <BigRedS> which I'm not convinced aren't largely hw issues
[12:12] <czajkowski> bigcalm: online services still
[12:12] <bigcalm> ?
[12:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: is there anybody at the LUG in a profession where they could counter sign my passport renewal application?
[12:13] <BigRedS> czajkowski: ah, was that for me?
[12:14] <BigRedS> I've largely abandoned the idea of online accounts 'cause I'm not interested enough to put that much effort in it... Apparently it'll work in 13.04 so next time I'm in Ubuntu for long enough I'll dist upgrade and see what happens
[12:14] <czajkowski> yes BigRedS
[12:14] <BigRedS> But I just gave Wargaming some money so I'll generally be playing World of Tanks whenever I'm anywhere near my PC
[12:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: Me, Ron, Ron's Wife, Alex, Adam, Infact most of them
[12:15] <andrewebdev> Sometimes when I resize a window, and a dialog pops up, I lose the resize functionality all together. I can still see the orange highlight from when I started the resize, but it doesn't go away at all, and I cannot resize any other windows. Is there a way to fix this other than to re-log?
[12:15] <AlanBell> they are relaxed about professions now
[12:15] <MooDoo> hello davmor2 :)
[12:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: you're in this list? https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications
[12:15] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka, ow' be ya
[12:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah not 3 bad lad.
[12:16] <BigRedS> journalists are deemed to have integrity?
[12:17] <davmor2> MooDoo:  engineer (with professional qualifications)  and I own a company :P
[12:18] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[12:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: ?
[12:18] <bigcalm> Hehe
[12:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: what was the ? for
[12:19] <MooDoo> i said i'm ok you said "engineer (with professional qualifications)  and I own a company :P
[12:19] <MooDoo> "
[12:19] <MooDoo> got confused
[12:20] <davmor2> MooDoo:  2 conversations at the same time :)
[12:20] <bigcalm> 1h 19m have passed in the 1h 30m allocated time. Must be close to completion I hope
[12:20] <MooDoo> ah
[12:22] <bigcalm> One thing about using a laptop in McDonald's is having to be cautious about opening links
[12:23] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah especially if it's to wimpy or burger king ;)
[12:23] <mungbean> remember that sheep addon for sniffing unencrypted fb
[12:24] <MooDoo> roll on 5:30 beer o'clock
[12:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: you're assuming they only have your car to work on.  Wrong, wrong, wrong-tiddly-wrong-wrong
[12:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: one bloke doing the fittings and mine was booked in from 12pm to 1.30pm. Will buzz them soon if they don't get to me 1st
[12:41] <MooDoo> Can I upgrade from LTS to 13.04 using update manager, ie skip 12.10?
[12:41] <SuperMatt> I'm not sure you can :/
[12:50] <kvarley> Wouldn't changing the sources lists to the quantal ones work?
[12:51] <kvarley> I guess your issue would be if some packages have been renamed or merged into others
[12:51] <MooDoo> just curious to be honest, I'm replacing the HDD with SSD soon, so I'll just wait and download the iso when it's out
[12:53] <kvarley> It'd be nice if Ubuntu went rolling with a snapshot every year or something
[12:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: No it will goto 12.10. you can insert a 13.04 dvd and do an upgrade from that but to be honest I would a do a fresh install and just replace your data
[12:56] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'll be doing that when I get the SSD replacement, was just curious.
[12:58] <kvarley> davmor2: Would manually changing the apt sources work?
[12:58] <MooDoo> kvarley: yes I suspect it would
[12:58] <davmor2> kvarley: you can but that can lead to a lot of mess
[13:00] <kvarley> Ok :)
[13:00] <davmor2> kvarley: for instance straight away you would have unity 2d as a desktop choice which may or maynot work with the newer version of qt in raring etc
[13:00] <MooDoo> I think I'll just re-install, it's not that hard.
[13:01] <kvarley> davmor2: Ah yeah, ok
[13:02] <MooDoo> upgrading to 8gb in the laptop too so I can run some vm's
[13:08]  * bigcalm calls Halfords and drums his fingers
[13:09] <SuperMatt> they still not done?
[13:09] <SuperMatt> that maccy d must be really getting to you now
[13:10] <bigcalm> Nope. 2h into a 1.5h appointment, thought I'd give them a call to find out what was happening. A bloke has gone to find out for me
[13:10] <SuperMatt> I would hate to be in mcdonalds for so long
[13:10] <SuperMatt> I fear I would feel the grease just seeping in to my pores, turning me into a grease monster
[13:11] <bigcalm> Apparently it's just been finished. Time to pack up and ship out
[13:11] <bigcalm> \o/
[13:11] <SuperMatt> hooray!
[13:11] <bigcalm> Laptop battery has lasted well :)
[13:11] <bigcalm> Taaraa
[13:11] <SuperMatt> indeed
[13:11] <SuperMatt> bai!
[13:14] <popey> http://www.fuduntu.org/blog/2013/04/15/fuduntu-team-meeting-held-on-april-14-2013/
[13:14] <popey> thats one way to avoid the issue
[13:15] <popey> EOL the distro
[13:16] <mungbean> what is fuduntu?
[13:16] <mungbean> worst name ever btw
[13:17] <MooDoo> popey: it'll re-appear someday reading that post, like a [the thing that rises from the flames] lol
[13:17] <mungbean> oh they are gonna fork it
[13:18] <SuperMatt> classic. If you can't reach your goals, fork it and set new goals!
[13:18] <MooDoo> ah so it's just fedora that looks pretty
[13:18] <SuperMatt> I'd use mageia for that, or rosa
[13:18] <mungbean> well it does seem to centre around the main bloke retiring
[13:18] <SuperMatt> or just use fedora and switch to cinnamon
[13:19] <SuperMatt> although fedora seems to be circling the drain at the moment
[13:19] <SuperMatt> 18 was shambolic
[13:19] <MooDoo> or just use X as there are so many to choose from nowadays
[13:20] <mungbean> lunchtime headmash: A and B are the same colour: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Grey_square_optical_illusion.PNG
[13:25] <mungbean> motorola lapdock $50 wow
[13:25] <mungbean> only works with atrix?
[13:28] <mungbean> (and raspberry pi)
[13:37] <MooDoo> Steak and Ale for tea :)
[13:43] <SuperMatt> oooh
[13:43] <SuperMatt> I need to think of something nice to do with my venison steaks
[13:56] <kvarley> I think DNS is making my network slow, is there a way I can time how long it takes to resolve an IP from a domain name?
[13:56] <kvarley> Disabling ipv6 in firefox removes the resolve time
[13:56] <AlanBell> dig example.com
[13:57] <AlanBell> ;; Query time: 15 msec
[13:57] <kvarley> AlanBell: ";; connection timed out: no servers could be reached"
[13:57] <davmor2> MooDoo: your 80 what, you don't look a day over 60 bud ;)
[13:58] <AlanBell> kvarley: erk
[13:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm sorry did that came out wrong I meant happy birthday ;)
[13:58] <kvarley> AlanBell: I don't have the issue on other tablets, PCs in the house so it's not the connection
[14:10] <bigcalm> Finally back in my office
[14:11] <bigcalm> Listened to Absolute80s on the way home. That's what it's all about
[14:15] <Myrtti> best use of a new car stereo then
[14:15] <bigcalm> That and BBC 6 Music
[14:15] <Myrtti> you should have had an mp3 of a thrice copied 1983 Ultravox cassette
[14:15] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:16] <Myrtti> or Duran Duran
[14:16] <bigcalm> I think Hayley has all of their CDs
[14:17] <bigcalm> And cassettes
[14:17] <davmor2> Myrtti: Absolute 80's is the bomb :)
[14:17] <mungbean> this openstack is giving me loads of errors :(
[14:19] <kvarley> Network manager is ignoring my setting to ignore IPv6, how can I fix that?
[14:20] <bigcalm> Why would you want to disable IPv6?
[14:20] <kvarley> bigcalm: Well currently DNS keeps timing out
[14:20] <kvarley> My router isn't capable of ipv6
[14:25] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/LqI8Jl9.png << openstack problems :(
[14:26] <davmor2> kvarley: mine doesn't do ipv6 but I don't get time outs on DNS, what makes you so sure it is ipv6 at fault?
[14:26] <davmor2> mungbean: did the systems build yet if not then you won't gain access from port 80
[14:27] <davmor2> mungbean: the fact there is no ip address list makes me think maybe not :)
[14:28] <bittin> was some snailmail from UK in my mailbox today :>
[14:29] <kvarley> davmor2: Well pages always hung on resolving until I disabled ipv6 in firefox and when I dig a domain it times out
[14:29] <mungbean> davmor2: just says Error, not much help supplied.
[14:33] <davmor2> mungbean: it does give you an error above though. It can't fetch volumes due to 404, then when you look there is no ip addresses for anything so the rest is assumption which of course is the mother of all fups :)
[14:34] <mungbean> can't create volumes (Error) , and can't launch image (Error)
[14:34] <mungbean> no more is explained
[14:36] <davmor2> mungbean: yes because there is no ip address for the service to connect to so it can't give you any more info, am I looking at it differently to you?
[14:39] <mungbean> hmm its gone unresponsive again. might just give up for now
[14:50] <bittin> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH5nFjOCAAAQzcD.jpg:large svårt o fota sig själv :p
[14:51] <bigcalm> !english | bittin
[14:55] <DJones> Have Any of the chilli fan's caught the programme on radio 4 about chilli eating and production
[14:56] <DJones> would Have highlighted it when it started but Was driving home
[14:59] <MooDoo> CHILLIES i love em
[14:59] <bigcalm> Just tested the UPS with a multi-meter. The output voltage drops from 242 to 167 volts when inverting. No wonder everything dies instantly
[15:00] <AlanBell> eww, 167 sounds worse than zero
[15:00] <DJones> I'm guessing it'll be available as a listen again via the web
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's called "The Food Programme" on BBC R4 and on listen again.
[15:01] <MooDoo> My fave is Bhut Jolikia yum
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/c2UMQGtprWy
[15:03] <DJones> They mentioned this one http://www.amazon.com/Naga-Soreass-Hot-Sauce-Oz/dp/B0049HSZLQ
[15:05] <popey> I put two drops of daves insanity sauce on my lunch the other day, blew my head off
[15:06] <MooDoo> my fave one - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_Bhut_Jolokia
[15:06]  * TheOpenSourcerer doesn't want to think about heads blowing off right now.
[15:07] <MooDoo> but didn't yours just get friendly with a car wing mirror?
[15:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes. But "just" isn't quite enough the way it feels today.
[15:09] <MooDoo> well it was pretty impressive looking the other day :) you daft <insert expletive here> ;)
[15:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: I am more and more convinced my drink(s) was spiked.
[15:12] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: anybody you don't get on with at the lunchon?
[15:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope - I suspect more prankster than malicious.
[15:12]  * AlanBell wasn't there ;)
[15:12] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> My friend Bryan was also almost comatose after a similar quantity of booze to me - and he likes a drink too.
[15:13] <AlanBell> what was the food?
[15:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Antipasti starter, A lovely huge slow roested lamb shank
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> and then cheese
[15:15] <AlanBell> ok, no weird fish then
[15:15] <AlanBell> or shrooms
[15:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> *everyone* ate the same. But on our table of 10, I think Bryan and I were the only two that drank a couple of pints of Doombar before we sat dow. The others had Guiness or Tea (Hogs Back tea)
[15:44] <bigcalm> So you were Doomed from the start
[15:47] <bigcalm> Ooo, Suggs on Saturday. Something to help me get through the week :)
[15:50] <mungbean> www.ubuntu.com/download/help/install-ubuntu-cloud
[15:50] <mungbean> ^^ someone try to visit that site pleas?
[15:50] <bigcalm> 102
[15:50] <bigcalm> (Connection refused)
[15:51] <mungbean> redirects to localhost
[15:51] <AlanBell> redirects to http://localhost:10002/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-cloud
[15:51] <mungbean> fail
[15:51] <bigcalm> Oh yes :)
[15:51] <AlanBell> I wonder if that is a Daviey thing
[15:52] <AlanBell> how did you get to that page mungbean?
[15:53] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-cloud is linked to from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud which is a 404
[15:56] <popey> known problem
[16:03]  * bigcalm guesses proxy failure
[16:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: I see what you did there you added an r to poxy
[16:05]  * bigcalm grumbles at AutoDAB. The interface is buggy and doesn't always work. Ho hum
[16:06] <bigcalm> davmor2: would work okay with your car as you don't have telephone support
[16:07] <davmor2> I'd rather have the telephone support :)
[16:09] <bigcalm> My car is quite common, I'm sure there should be a work around
[16:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: there is you have to kick it 6 times before a sharp twist to the left ;)
[16:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: this is possibly true
[16:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: daft as it sounds it might be an issue with your Ariel
[16:11] <davmor2> unless the reception is awesome
[16:11] <bigcalm> The reception is fine, it's the control that is messed up
[16:12] <davmor2> have a read on the t'interwebz
[16:13] <bigcalm> Documentation is limited
[16:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: this is the best source of information for using the AutoDAB with a Peugeot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYxHxYr6Yk
[16:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: but the demonstration doesn't have telephone control from the steering wheel stork
[16:16] <bigcalm> Oh, I tell a lie, it doee
[16:16] <bigcalm> does
[16:16] <davmor2> liar liar pants on fire
[16:17]  * bigcalm grumbles and gets back to work
[16:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: that'll be the flaming pants making you grumble I bet :P
[16:19] <Daviey> AlanBell / popey: Did you ping me?
[16:19] <popey> no
[16:21] <bigcalm> E_TOO_SUNNY
[16:21]  * bigcalm closes the curtains
[16:22] <bigcalm> Thunderbird has gone silly(er)
[16:23] <bigcalm> Calendar reminder keeps reopening itself when I try to close it
[16:23] <SuperMatt> ?
[16:23] <SuperMatt> oh, I've had that
[16:23] <SuperMatt> can't remember how I fixed it though D:
[16:23] <bigcalm> Restarting Thunderbird has not fixed it
[16:24] <SuperMatt> eeesh
[16:24] <zleap> the calender app is lightning
[16:24] <zleap> maybe you need to reinstall it
[16:24] <SuperMatt> that won't help
[16:24] <zleap> ok
[16:25] <SuperMatt> for as long as the storage.sdb file is there, the problem will reoccour
[16:26] <bigcalm> More reasons why I want to ditch Thunderbird
[16:26] <SuperMatt> calendaring should have been built in by default
[16:27] <SuperMatt> if geary really want to make the best email client, they need to get calendars right
[16:27] <SuperMatt> ouch
[16:27] <bigcalm> Does it do calendars?
[16:27] <SuperMatt> 10 days left and they're only 25% of the way through
[16:27] <SuperMatt> not yet
[16:27] <bigcalm> Is geary striving to be a PIM or just an email client?
[16:28] <SuperMatt> well, they say email client
[16:28] <SuperMatt> but the thing is that there are no good calendar programs!
[16:28] <bigcalm> Does gmail offer LDAP or other means to sync contacts?
[16:29] <SuperMatt> I don't know :/
[16:29] <SuperMatt> gtg, bye guys
[16:30] <bigcalm> Taaraa
[16:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm guessing it does then :)
[16:46] <bigcalm> davmor2: what does what?
[16:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: gmail sync for contacts
[16:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/software/3357383/sync-gmail-contacts-with-thunderbird-automatically/ I found that if that helps
[16:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: thanks for that
[16:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: did it help
[16:56] <bigcalm> davmor2: no idea, I'm busy elsewhere :)
[16:56] <davmor2> D'oh
[16:57] <bigcalm> I shall look later
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer, AlanBell: Do you have any protips on making vtiger faster without buying more hardware?
[17:30] <AlanBell> Daviey: some ubuntu cloud website oddness, but apparently not your problem
[17:30] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yes, I can make it go faster
[17:31] <AlanBell> there are a heap of database indexes that can be added to speed things up, and I can make the reports go masses faster
[17:31] <AlanBell> (faster by a factor of 500 for one customer)
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> without hax0ring the code?
[17:32] <AlanBell> report fix needs hax0ring the code, the rest is just adding database indexes
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> oh wow.. this is a fresh install for my brothers (& their microbrewery business)
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> I'd have thought it created its own indexed
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> indexes
[17:32] <AlanBell> it does, but not enough of them
[17:33] <AlanBell> it depends how much data is in the database, some things need more optimisation
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> there isn't much in it yet -- it's still fresh
[17:34] <AlanBell> ok, in that case, sorry it is horrifically inefficient :(
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> is it just indexes on foreign keys etc? Or also other fields?
[17:34] <AlanBell> for searching we use sphinxsearch
[17:35] <AlanBell> I turned on reporting all queries that don't use indexes to /var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> ah that's a good start I guess
[17:35] <AlanBell> then everything that turned up there, I created indexes to get rid of it
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> I'll enable that and have a look
[17:37] <neuro> well hello
[17:37] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: http://www.derosetechnologies.com/community/vtiger-sphinxsearch
[17:37] <directhex> sphinxsearch is nice
[17:37] <neuro> finally the neuro has COME BACK TO #ubuntu-uk
[17:37] <directhex> for a java monstrosity, anyway
[17:37] <AlanBell> that doesn't install completely cleanly, I can dig out our instructions
[17:37] <directhex> we use sphinx as a replacement mediawiki search provider
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I think I can figure it out :) Thanks for the help!
[17:38] <AlanBell> but that is massively faster than the *huge* search query it generates searching every field LIKE "%foo%"
[17:39] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: we are running vtiger on a quickish processor with RAID SSD
[17:40] <AlanBell> oh and there are some mysql performance tweaks, buffer pool size I think
[17:40]  * MartijnVdS -> gym now
[18:02] <bigcalm> directhex: you've got a nose for steam discounts. When would be a good time to by the recent Bioshock game?
[18:03]  * directhex wets finger, holds it up
[18:03] <directhex> it'll be 25-33% off in the summer sale (july)
[18:03] <bigcalm> I can wait for that
[18:03] <bigcalm> Now, when do we get HL ep3 and Portal3? ;)
[18:04] <directhex> my skill is sales, not new titles :p
[18:04] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[18:05]  * bigcalm buys a comb for his cat instead
[18:05] <directhex> i have no predictions regarding valve sequels
[18:06] <bigcalm> Nice that HL2 death match is on Linux steam. Though I really look forward to having HL2 running in Linux without messing
[18:07] <directhex> i imagine there are odd graphics bugs in the main game proper which are not exposed in any of the deathmatch maps
[18:07] <bigcalm> I've got to a point in Opposing Force where I can't see how to progress or it's a bug and I can't progress
[18:07] <bigcalm> Yes, that's what I was thinking as well
[18:09] <bigcalm> I don't know if you've played recently enough to remember. But it's the alien that comes through a portal and you have to shoot its eyes with 2 fixed lasers. I've defeated it, but there's nothing to do afterwards
[18:10] <directhex> the final boss, then?
[18:10] <bigcalm> It is?
[18:10] <bigcalm> Boo
[18:10] <bigcalm> I thought there was more to the game
[18:10] <directhex> it's just an expansion
[18:10] <bigcalm> I thought the same about Blue Shift as well
[18:11] <bigcalm> My memory is possibly confusing hl, blue shift, opposing force and hl2
[18:11] <directhex> you can just watch the ending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FglcQ0fgfxM&feature=player_detailpage#t=238s
[18:12] <bigcalm> Aww
[18:12] <directhex> blue shift is just the extra content from the dreamcast version of half-life. it's not even a full expansion
[18:13] <bigcalm> Yeah, it didn't green flash and fade to cut screen
[18:14]  * bigcalm moves the game into the completed category
[18:45] <popey> happy birthday MooDoo
[18:46] <Laney> meow
[18:46] <Laney> what's the format for work items for this month? Work items for ubuntu-13.04-month-6?
[18:46] <Laney> oops, wrong channel
[18:49] <mungbean> you need #ubuntu-cats
[18:55] <mungbean> is the source code for lubottu available?
[18:56] <Laney> there's lp:ubuntu-bots which may or may not be it
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[18:57] <AlanBell> that is it
[18:59] <mungbean> cheers!
[19:30] <Myrtti> outdoors IRC
[20:19] <diddledan> sad news :-( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22160691
[20:20] <dwatkins> yeah, I'm watching the News24 feed here, utterly deplorable: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22160978
[20:21] <diddledan> I've got the news24 running on my tv
[20:25] <popey> so... bug 1167019
[20:25] <popey> clean install of precise works, update it to latest precise and it doesn't, update to raring and it also breaks
[20:25] <popey> trying to figure out which package to try upgrading next which may break it
[20:25] <ali1234> the kernel, obviously
[20:25] <popey> wpasupplicant, network-manager?
[20:26] <popey> nope
[20:26] <popey> newer kernel is fine
[20:26] <ali1234> it has to be
[20:26] <diddledan> is there a firmware package anyplace?
[20:26] <popey> on raring I have tried numerous kernels and it's always busted
[20:26] <popey> on precise it always works, until I dist-upgrade
[20:26] <popey> same firmware diddledan
[20:27] <ali1234> even if you update only the kernel?
[20:27] <popey> yes
[20:27] <popey> well
[20:27] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmmm
[20:27] <ali1234> well?
[20:27] <popey> i am using upstream kernel builds
[20:27] <popey> tried 3.8 on raring, still works fine
[20:27] <popey> not done an "upgrade" of the kernel only
[20:27] <SuperMatt> did you try reversing the polarity on the deflector dish?
[20:27] <ali1234> you need to change only one thing at a tme
[20:27] <popey> indeed
[20:27] <ali1234> which is what i was getting at the other day
[20:28] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: did you manage to create a daemon?
[20:28] <popey> thing is, precise shipped with 3.2
[20:28] <popey> and then in an update got 3.5
[20:28] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: yeah, I did :)
[20:28] <popey> but lots of others along the way
[20:28] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: nice one
[20:28] <ali1234> so install 12.04 and then update only the kernel packages manually, using the distro packages
[20:28] <SuperMatt> it's reading json files now
[20:28] <popey> ok, that's easy
[20:29] <SuperMatt> but I need to pad out the code with error checking and stuff
[20:29] <diddledan> there's a firmware package: $ dpkg -l |grep firmware
[20:29] <diddledan> ii  linux-firmware                            1.95                                                  all          Firmware for Linux kernel drivers
[20:29] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: great progress :)
[20:29] <popey> diddledan: as I said, same version
[20:29] <diddledan> hmm
[20:29] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: is it reading more than one account from the JSON config?
[20:29] <ali1234> i must say that i've been down this road before
[20:29] <ali1234> i kept testing kernels
[20:29] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: not yet, but it can do
[20:29] <bigcalm> \o/
[20:29] <ali1234> in the end it turned out the card was just broken and the packet loss was totally random even though i thought there was a pattern to it for weeks
[20:30] <popey> oof
[20:30] <popey> i can easily reproduce this
[20:30] <diddledan> in that case then the next upgrade imo would be to try iw and wireless-tools
[20:30] <ali1234> i could too: just scp about 10GB and it would crash out with mac errors due to packet corruption
[20:30] <diddledan> work from the kernel up out to the userspace
[20:30] <popey> disabling N on raring "fixes" it
[20:31] <ali1234> it would corrupt http transfers too
[20:31] <popey> ouch
[20:31] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: the hardest bits are yet to come
[20:31] <popey> mine just drops
[20:31] <SuperMatt> getting a program to do what you want is easy
[20:31] <popey> nm shows connection active but it stops passing packets
[20:31] <popey> so dns fails, ssh connections bork
[20:31] <SuperMatt> getting a program to not do what you don't want is where you want to punch things
[20:31] <popey> then come back 60s later
[20:31] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: what do you see as being the hard bit?
[20:31] <bigcalm> Hehe
[20:31] <bigcalm> Unit tests \o/
[20:32] <SuperMatt> I've not had to deal with unit tests
[20:33] <diddledan> I don;t want to suggest the obvious, but the dnsmasq resolv.conf.. does it point to your dns server on your router or isp?
[20:33] <SuperMatt> but I suspect that the hardest bits will be ensuring all errors are dealt with
[20:33] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: they take more time than it takes to code the project. But they save so much hair pulling in the long run
[20:33] <popey> its not that, disabling N fixes it
[20:33] <popey> (works around)
[20:33] <diddledan> ok
[20:34] <SuperMatt> right, closing my browsers now, I can't watch this any more
[20:35] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: is timer in seconds? (eg 300 for 5 mins)
[20:36] <bigcalm> You might want to take out the hard paths as well
[20:36] <SuperMatt> yarr
[20:36] <SuperMatt> I will do that
[20:36] <SuperMatt> I just put in hard paths for testing new features
[20:36] <bigcalm> *nod*
[20:40] <diddledan> popey, it looks like network-manager directly depends on wpasupplicant, and I can't see any other wireless-related packages in depends
[20:40] <popey> I'm going to do a clean install on another usb stick
[20:41] <popey> and then upgrade it
[20:41] <popey> to prove 100% that updating a precise install breaks it, in case I am mad
[20:42] <diddledan> supposition of madness is always healthy.. unless you really are mad
[20:42] <popey> its possible
[20:43] <diddledan> (I'm mad, btw :-p)
[20:43] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: ImportError: No module named daemon
[20:45] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: I'm guessing that I need to install python-daemon
[20:47] <SuperMatt> yup yup
[20:47] <bigcalm> That fixed it
[20:47] <SuperMatt> sorry, not keeping my eye on here at the minute ;)
[20:47] <SuperMatt> you need a json with username, password, server, daemon, and timer options set. THough I'm sure you can spot that in the main.py
[20:48]  * bigcalm emails himself
[20:48] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: yep, made a JSON string with those items
[20:50] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: want bug reports? :)
[20:51] <bigcalm> Ooo, just thought of a feature: when displaying the OSD, fetch the sender's avatar from gravatar
[20:52]  * bigcalm becomes one with evil clients everywhere
[20:55] <ali1234> popey: suggests you dump a list of every package version before and after update
[21:00] <popey> ali1234: wise
[21:00] <popey> well, i certainly have the package list on this machine where it works
[21:01] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711518/  ###### before  (for my personal record)
[21:01] <popey> i have two USB sticks so will have a before stick and an after stick
[23:15] <popey>  only upgrading wpasupplicant seems okay
[23:17] <diddledan> hmm
[23:17]  * popey updates network-manager next
[23:17] <popey> network-manager alone, no other packages
[23:17] <popey> brb
[23:18] <popey> boots pretty quick off usb
[23:21] <popey> seems okay so far
[23:22]  * popey ponders what to do next
[23:25] <diddledan> three other potential packages to try upgrading one-at-a-time are wl, wireless-tools and rfkill
[23:26] <popey> gonna do the kernel first
[23:26] <popey>   linux-headers-3.2.0-40 linux-headers-3.2.0-40-generic linux-image-3.2.0-40-generic
[23:29] <popey> dpkg is so slow on usb
[23:33]  * popey reboots from 3.2.0-23-generic into 3.2.0-40-generic
[23:33] <popey> (not expecting this to fail)
[23:39] <popey> seems okay on 3.2.0-40-generic
[23:47] <popey> openssl next...
[23:47] <popey> Preparing to replace openssl 1.0.1-4ubuntu3 (using .../openssl_1.0.1-4ubuntu5.8_amd64.deb) ...
[23:55] <ali1234> if openssl caused packet loss i will be extremely surprised
[23:56] <popey> yeah, it didnt
[23:56] <popey> not sure what to try next
[23:56] <popey> and am now questioning my own testing ☹
[23:58] <ali1234> did you try only updating kernel?
[23:59] <ali1234> 3.2-ubuntu -> 3.5-ubuntu
[23:59] <popey> not gone to 3.5 yet
[23:59] <popey> not sure what pulls that in
[23:59] <popey> dist-upgrade doesn't