[01:39] <jrwren> snap-l: did you see Ivan Moravec has a 2009 release of Antonin Dvoråk?
[01:50] <derekv> i'm not seeming to get around to this ubuntu install , maybe i should bring the tower with to chc
[01:50] <derekv> and a disk
[01:50] <derekv> =p
[02:24] <snap-l> jrwren: I did not
[02:24] <snap-l> At least I didn't realize it was that new
[02:24] <snap-l> derekv: Feel free.
[12:22] <snap-l> Good morning, everyone
[12:22] <snap-l> Happy Tax Day.
[12:24] <rick_h_> yay tax day. Instead of buying a new ford focus I paid annual and quaterly taxes.
[12:25]  * rick_h_ goes over and grumbles in the corner 
[12:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, know the feeling
[12:28] <snap-l> Though not to that extreme
[12:28] <snap-l> Looked at our bank account and thought "That won't be that high for long"
[12:29] <snap-l> Not sure when they'll cash the check, but know it'll make a noise when it hits. :)
[12:29] <rick_h_> hah
[12:30] <rick_h_> yea, poor morgan stanley was getting excided they'd be able to invest our $$ except the govt is going to do it form them when the checks hit. :)
[12:30] <rick_h_> /form/for
[12:43] <derekv> could be worse
[12:43] <derekv> ofc, could be better
[13:00] <rick_h_> derekv: definitely.
[15:07] <snap-l> "Who knows what's updated I guess [mitechie]"
[15:07] <snap-l> Love this comimt message. :)
[15:07] <rick_h_> lol, where did I put that one? my vim config?
[15:07] <snap-l> Yeah
[15:08] <rick_h_> yea, once in a while I just go in there and git st and git xa "made changes and such"
[15:08] <snap-l> Was checking if you weere using git submodules
[15:08] <snap-l> Yeah, same here
[15:08] <rick_h_> no no no no no no no
[15:08]  * rick_h_ hates those evil things
[15:09] <snap-l> yeah, they look... awful.
[15:10] <rick_h_> they've gotten better I guess but man I tried using them once and just found it more painful than anything
[15:13] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm reading the chapters on submodules in the O'Reilly git book, and while they look improved, they still have hairy edges
[17:12] <snap-l> Damn, greg-g isn't in here.
[17:12] <snap-l> I was hoping he might explain this: https://soundcloud.com/bonobo
[17:13] <snap-l> I don't get it
[17:13] <brousch> snap-l: You summoned him!
[17:16] <snap-l> I was hoping greg_g might explain this: https://soundcloud.com/bonobo
[17:16] <snap-l> ;)
[17:16] <snap-l> Because I don't get it
[17:19] <greg-g> snap-l: I uhhh
[17:20] <greg-g> what?
[17:20] <snap-l> greg-g: But you're in SOMA. You should be able to explain these things. :)
[17:20] <greg-g> snap-l: hip music?
[17:21] <snap-l> Chris Messina posted this album, and apparently people are calling brilliant
[17:21] <snap-l> I'm thinking I'm wasting my life nto being an electronic musician
[17:22] <greg-g> snap-l: I mean, it is nice
[17:22] <greg-g> enjoyable
[17:22] <greg-g> fun sounding
[17:22] <snap-l> Yeah, it's not horrid
[17:22] <greg-g> I don't think it's bad at all
[17:23] <greg-g> not earth shattering or anything though
[17:23] <greg-g> I might listen to it today
[17:23] <snap-l> But I'm no getting the "brilliant" platitudes
[17:24] <snap-l> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9058804/stomp.mp3 <- This, on the otherhand, is brilliant. ;)
[17:26] <nullspace> any setup 802.3ad before?
[17:26] <snap-l> Not I
[17:26] <rick_h_> nope
[17:27] <nullspace> going to give whirl sometime this week, bond nics sounds handy, luck I have a switch that supports it
[17:29] <snap-l> nullspace: So it's a way to use two networks at the same time to send data to a machine?
[17:30] <rick_h_> anyone know anyone that's gotten a system76 water cooled system?
[17:30] <rick_h_> after seeing the videos I'm getting sucked into the idea of a quiet monster of a machine
[17:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: You'd be the first I would know. :)
[17:30] <rick_h_> but never done water cooling
[17:30] <snap-l> water cooling gives me some pause
[17:31] <snap-l> but that's because I think of these frankenstein's monster contraptions with some not-quite-bright-boy trying to OC their machine one more MHz
[17:31] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, me too but man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cQX9ifbfdeA
[17:32] <rick_h_> that's a cool watch once you get past the hosts and don't pay attention to their 'benchmarks'
[17:32] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, Linux Action Show drives me nuts
[17:33] <snap-l> but they have personality
[17:34] <snap-l> OK, they don't drive me as nuts as I remember.
[17:35] <greg-g> watered cooled 10 years ago: no way. Now, with an respectable OEM doing it: sure.
[17:35] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, I know it's not scientific, but would love to have someone say "yea, np" or something.
[17:36] <greg-g> :)
[17:37] <greg-g> snap-l: I'm tapping my foot to this bonobo album ;)
[17:37] <nullspace> snap-l: yes,kinda, you bond two nics together on the same machine and they are used like one interface. It improves bandwidti to/from machine and is fault tolerance
[17:37] <nullspace> torleant
[17:37] <snap-l> greg-g: Report to Michigan immediately.
[17:37] <nullspace> but you need a switch that can trunk the two ports that those nics are connected to
[17:38] <snap-l> nullspace: Yeah, it kinda breaks my brain on how networking works.
[17:38] <snap-l> but on thinking about it, it makes sense.
[17:38] <nullspace> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding
[17:39] <rick_h_> so is this on some server doing bandwidth over the wall or just to tinker with?
[17:39] <rick_h_> dual nics are great, gigabit each one, dns round robin or proxy server them, run two isntances of your app or bind to both interfaces, and rock and roll.
[17:40] <rick_h_> bonding seems like unnecessary complication
[17:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: It seems like something where you don't want to do round-robin
[17:40] <greg-g> snap-l: :P
[17:40] <snap-l> ie: SAN
[17:40] <rick_h_> snap-l: right, so that's what I mean. use case?
[17:41] <rick_h_> sure SAN, backing up a 30TB server and you have one giant tarball to move, just seems limited uses.
[17:41] <nullspace> it's for home, and yes it's essentially for moving large files around
[17:41] <snap-l> Or multiple clients on a SAN picking up TB files
[17:42] <rick_h_> but even then, why not have the multiple clients hit a front end that picks a non-peak connection to give you on the other nic?
[17:43] <rick_h_> "here, you heach get a GB of pipe, enjoy" vs "let's toggle back/forth between you guys on 2GB of pipe after it goes through bonding overhead"
[17:43] <snap-l> bercause you want to saturate two separate networks with file transfers?
[17:43] <snap-l> Or multiple networks
[17:44] <snap-l> It looks like a way to get around the limitations of one datacenter network
[17:45] <snap-l> Not every company runs their VOIP next to their desktop machines next to their servers. ;)
[17:45] <rick_h_> sure, but missing how that fits into bonding a connection between the server and the switch?
[17:45] <snap-l> Think two switches
[17:45] <nullspace> rick_h_: isn't that what the aggreation software essentially do? Pick the least busy of the two nics ona  new request?
[17:46] <rick_h_> nullspace: sure but bonding makes it one pipe right? Like a raid0. Half the bits to one, half to the other allowing for 2x the pipe (approx)
[17:47] <nullspace> well there are different types of bonding it seems
[17:47] <rick_h_> a proxy just allows you to use some smarts to pick a good pipe.
[17:47] <snap-l> Right, but proxying ties you to one pipe
[17:47] <rick_h_> ah, well that makes sense.
[17:47] <snap-l> as opposed to giving you multiple pipes.
[17:47] <rick_h_> snap-l: right, but provides fail over and the ability to add/shrink resources and the like
[17:47] <snap-l> yeah, different use cases.
[17:47] <snap-l> For a web server, bonding doesn't make much sense
[17:47] <rick_h_> seems some overlap, but ok. I was just curious on the use case for the bonding setup.
[17:48] <snap-l> at least I don't see how it would make sense
[18:29] <greg-g> snap-l: still enjoying it :P
[18:29] <snap-l> greg-g: *sigh*
[18:29] <snap-l> et tu, Grossmeier?
[18:34] <brousch> Interesting http://inventwithpython.com/hacking/
[18:34] <snap-l> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary_of_military_slang
[18:35] <snap-l> I'm going to use the term "bag of smashed asshole" from here on out.
[18:41] <snap-l> Also: what's the python hotness for blogging?
[18:42] <rick_h_> snap-l: blogofile looks to be un-maintained atm, but some fans. Pelican is the latest hotness I guess.
[18:42] <rick_h_> of course you're supposed to write your own
[18:43] <rick_h_> see http://pydanny.com/choosing-a-new-python-based-blog-engine.html
[18:43] <rick_h_> for a year-ago view
[18:45] <snap-l> Yeah, I looked briefly at Pelican. Looked interesting.
[18:47] <brousch> I've seena  lot of django-based blogging tools that produce static sites
[18:48] <brousch> I still use wordpress
[18:48] <snap-l> Yeah, I saw Hyde, which looked... odd
[18:48] <rick_h_> if the reason to use djawngo is the ORM/admin site...why do static generation in django?
[18:48] <rick_h_> it's like using the worst bits for everything. template, settings, etc.
[18:48] <snap-l> rick_h_: ++
[18:48] <rick_h_> but yea, pay wordpress the $$ and stop worrying about the blog, but I have to say it hasn't helped me blog more.
[18:49] <snap-l> Reminds me of my little blogging thingie that used MySQL as the backend
[18:49] <brousch> I pay dreamhost
[18:49] <snap-l> had a text box that just stuffed entries into a database table, and then created static files off of that.
[18:50] <rick_h_> which ever static site generator gives me a makefile wins!!
[18:51] <snap-l> Pelican has a makefile. ;)
[18:51] <rick_h_> winner!
[18:51] <brousch> hah
[18:51] <snap-l> Honestly, if I didn't cre about my old blog entries, I'd be using Pelican right now
[18:51] <snap-l> but the porting is a little wonky
[18:52] <snap-l> and I'm not 100% sold on Disqus
[18:52] <snap-l> But the Wordpress attacks are getting more sophisticated, so I'm wondering if it's only a matter of time until it gets cracked.
[18:52] <brousch> Disqus is the bizomb
[18:52] <greg-g> :(
[18:53] <snap-l> greg-g: Why the sad?
[18:53] <greg-g> Disqus, I hates it
[18:53] <snap-l> What's wrong with Disqus/
[18:53] <snap-l> ?
[18:53] <rick_h_> heh, who's data is it :P
[18:53] <rick_h_> JS loading or bust
[18:53] <rick_h_> etc and so on
[18:54] <snap-l> I figured it was one of the two. :)
[18:56] <greg-g> option a
[18:56] <greg-g> also privacy
[18:56] <greg-g> also lockin
[18:56] <greg-g> ya know, the same reasons I don't like facebook-powered comments
[18:56] <rick_h_> I will say privacy came up in their pycon talk we watched at CHC and their answer is "we only support public comments"
[18:57] <greg-g> so.... that's skirting the issue
[18:57] <greg-g> privacy as in: who knows what blogs I read and comment on
[18:57] <rick_h_> what' privacy if there's no private data?
[18:57] <rick_h_> ah, I see
[18:58] <greg-g> if I'm forced to use a single service, they do, and that info is very easily taken by whomever
[18:58] <snap-l> greg-g: You shouldn't be blogging on those [expletive deleted] sites anyway. :)
[18:59] <greg-g> zactly
[19:12] <brousch> http://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/472149-comments-export
[19:17] <greg-g> brousch: only part of my complaint :) facebook also lets me "export my data"
[19:25] <rick_h_> lol, sometimes recruiter calls can be fun.
[19:25] <rick_h_> "what's your current work situation"
[19:25] <rick_h_> "Well, I work for canonical, from home, doing OSS full time. Why do you ask?"
[19:26] <rick_h_> "well, got a thing in NY for converting asp.net apps to django if you're interested"
[19:26] <rick_h_> ummm...no thanks
[19:27] <brousch> djangoooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:28] <rick_h_> oh man...boston marathon bombing? w..t..f
[19:31] <rick_h_> wow, that's one disturbing pic...
[19:43] <rick_h_> ugh http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=2603667
[19:50] <_stink_> yeah, there are a few kind of gory ones
[19:50] <_stink_> floating around
[20:00] <jjesse> 2 explosions at Boston
[20:01] <jjesse> my wife's marathon time is 4:10 on her last one, the explosion went off at 4:09
[20:08] <snap-l> Unbelieveable
[20:09] <jjesse> btw G+ is terrible for me for news like this
[20:09] <_stink_> yeah, i had to back off everything
[20:10] <jjesse> what i meant was that I've seen 2 posts on G+ about this and Twitter is actually giving me information
[20:10] <_stink_> ah, hah
[20:27] <snap-l> yeah, Twitter is good for the stream of information