[05:54] <Kilos> morning all
[06:10] <Kilos> hi henk
[06:21] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[06:21] <Kilos> hi Jabberwocky_ 
[06:22] <Kilos> what a massive mail in the lists from Ramu Lyer
[06:32] <superfly> hiya Kilos, henkj, Jabberwocky_
[06:32] <henkj> morning superfly 
[06:32] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:40] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA 
[06:40] <HawkiesZA> Morning all the people!
[06:50] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:52] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:55] <superfly> hi maiatoday
[06:55]  * superfly has already said hello to HawkiesZA
[07:03] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[07:22] <Squirm> morning
[07:24] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all :)
[07:31] <superfly> aloha ThatGraemeGuy
[07:35] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:54] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[08:05] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos and everone else
[08:42] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:44] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[08:45] <Vince-0> Monday blady Maanday
[08:57] <Squirm> lol Vince-0
[08:57] <Squirm> I second that
[09:19] <superfly> Symmetria: *poke*
[09:31] <Symmetria> superfly *slap*
[09:31] <Symmetria> ;p
[09:31] <Symmetria> sorry Im around :) just concentrating on something 
[09:32] <superfly> Symmetria: who can we poke to get za.archive.ubuntu.com up and running again?
[09:33] <Symmetria> superfly patrickh@tenet.ac.za
[09:33] <Symmetria> (Patrick Holahan)
[09:33] <superfly> Symmetria: ta.
[09:33] <Symmetria> in the mean time, mirror.ufs.ac.za
[09:33] <Symmetria> has a full and complete mirror on it
[09:33] <Symmetria> you'd have to check the pathing
[09:33] <Symmetria> and its synching often
[09:33] <Symmetria> and its got just as much bandwidth
[09:34] <superfly> ta
[09:36] <magespawn> mornign all
[09:36] <magespawn> morning even
[09:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:38] <magespawn> whats up?
[09:38] <Kilos> the sun
[09:39] <magespawn> ah well that is very good. i saw that happen this morning
[09:39] <Kilos> lol
[09:40] <magespawn> gravity is still switched on, as well, so all in all turning out to be an excellent day
[09:41] <Kilos> yip
[09:45] <magespawn> brain is a bit in limbo, been up since 04:00
[09:51] <Kilos> why?
[09:51] <Kilos> kids?
[09:52] <magespawn> no early game drive
[10:07] <Symmetria> where were ya doing game drive?
[10:07] <magespawn> Hluhluwe Game Reserve
[10:07]  * Symmetria did a game drive in nairobi national park on saturday :)
[10:08] <magespawn> i was the guide on this one
[10:08] <Symmetria> then went to the animal orphanage there where they look after and rehab animals who have lost their parents before putting em back in the park
[10:08] <Symmetria> heh, that animal orphanage was cool, a lot of the wild monkeys out the park come into it to see if they can get food from the baby animals that isnt eaten etc
[10:08] <Symmetria> so the guide there was like, here, give them some peanuts, they are pretty tame
[10:09] <Symmetria> so they were eating peanuts outta my hand, next thing I had a young vervet jump on my shoulder and try play with my hair lol
[10:09] <magespawn> did it pee on you? they mark their territory lik that
[10:10] <Symmetria> hehehe nah buts its mom didnt look happy with it sitting on my shoulder
[10:10] <Symmetria> heh I was keeping a very wary eye on the baboons that were around though
[10:10] <Symmetria> those things scare me
[10:15] <trender> afternoon people
[10:15] <trender> is anybody alive ??
[10:16] <magespawn> afternoon trender
[10:17] <Kilos> hi tend
[10:17] <Kilos> ai!
[10:17] <Kilos> hi trender 
[10:17] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[10:17] <trender> hi :)
[10:18] <Kilos> if you dont run away you can join us for our monthly meeting tonight
[10:18] <trender> you okes from durban ?
[10:18] <Kilos> all over
[10:18] <trender> ah yes im sure
[10:18] <trender> was figuring mostly durban people
[10:18] <Kilos> the whole country and some in the NL
[10:18] <magespawn> some are in durban and the surrounds
[10:18] <trender> im in durban
[10:19] <Kilos> i actually think we got more cape peeps here
[10:19] <Kilos> the durbs okes are always on holiday
[10:19] <trender> erm and other are in #clug
[10:19] <trender> on a different network
[10:19] <Kilos> are you one of the durbs lug guys?
[10:19] <trender> no no
[10:19] <trender> im a durban noob
[10:20] <Kilos> ah welcome
[10:20] <trender> even a linux noob
[10:20] <Kilos> put this channel on your cant be disconnected lists
[10:20] <trender> but and old school develloper
[10:20] <Kilos> this is the right place for linux help
[10:20] <trender> an = and
[10:21] <trender> have strange interests
[10:21] <Kilos> tell us about yourself
[10:21] <Kilos> nice to see new faces here
[10:21] <trender> engineering etc
[10:21] <trender> brb ok 
[10:21] <trender> need to open door
[10:22] <Kilos> ok
[10:22] <Kilos> there is no rushing on this channel
[10:22] <Kilos> you can wait hours at times
[10:22] <trender> ok back
[10:22] <Kilos> wb
[10:23] <trender> well im an old school asm programmer
[10:23] <trender> and develloper i guess
[10:23] <trender> but dont really do much deve anymore
[10:23] <trender> dev
[10:24] <Kilos> ah , we have 2 ubuntu dev guys here
[10:24] <Kilos> are you using ubuntu?
[10:24] <trender> no no windoze
[10:24] <Kilos> aw shame
[10:25] <Kilos> we will convert you
[10:25] <trender> :)
[10:25] <trender> i have an interesting story
[10:25] <Kilos> there are guys in durbs with official cds still methinks
[10:25] <Kilos> ok tell
[10:25] <trender> erm ok i can shaow you
[10:26] <trender> i have these little linux lunch boxes
[10:26] <trender> called squareone from itian
[10:27] <trender> and they are missing linux image files = linux applications
[10:27] <trender> if youd like a look i can give you the address
[10:27] <trender> i think its a very interesting toy
[10:28] <trender> so i bought 100pcs to play with
[10:28] <Kilos> try be here at 19.30 tonight then the durbs guys will be here
[10:28] <Kilos> 100?
[10:28] <Kilos> whew
[10:28] <trender> yea yea
[10:28] <trender> 100pcs
[10:28] <trender> you like the sounds of this toy ?
[10:29] <trender> ive put it online for linux okes to play with it
[10:29] <magespawn> link?
[10:29] <Kilos> im still learning about pc's so dont mess with other things mostly
[10:29] <trender> erm mage should i give the link in private
[10:30] <Kilos> but will look
[10:30] <Kilos> no here
[10:30] <trender> http://192.168.0.254:8090/
[10:30] <Kilos> so we can all see
[10:30] <trender> oops sorry
[10:30] <trender> let me fix that
[10:30] <Kilos> hehe
[10:30] <trender> 105.225.161.189:8090
[10:30] <magespawn> that looks like a private network link
[10:30] <trender> sure it is
[10:31] <trender> admin:squareone ok
[10:31] <trender> try not to toast it
[10:31] <Kilos> is it http then that long number?
[10:31] <trender> but its a fine exibit
[10:31] <magespawn> you okay with people have a look on your private net?
[10:31] <trender> http://105.225.161.189:8090
[10:32] <trender> yea off course
[10:32] <trender> you see what it looks like ?
[10:33] <trender> you can log in with admin:squareone
[10:33] <trender> thats the admin config page
[10:33] <trender> the telent is also open
[10:34] <trender> its missing the hard disk image files
[10:34] <trender> so i need to rebuild these up
[10:34] <trender> make my own image packs
[10:34] <Kilos> aw i cant get past the first page
[10:35] <trender> you can log in with admin:squareone
[10:36] <magespawn> user admin password squareone
[10:36] <trender> its an all in one linux server lunchbox
[10:36] <trender> correct yes
[10:36] <magespawn> looks cool
[10:37] <trender> im interested what you guys make of it
[10:37] <trender> its just a brick at present
[10:37] <magespawn> use? internet proxy/server?
[10:37] <trender> with a 70gb hard drive in right now
[10:38] <trender> erm i dont know if you can use a proxy with it
[10:38] <trender> you likely can yea
[10:38] <trender> try not to reformat the hard disk :P
[10:39] <magespawn> nah
[10:39]  * Squirm looks around
[10:39] <trender> obviously you guys can do anything you like to it tho
[10:39] <trender> including reboot it and such
[10:39] <trender> at the core it has an arm41 processor
[10:40] <magespawn> do you need a adsl modem to get it on line?
[10:40] <trender> running what apprears to be an embedded linux OS
[10:40] <trender> yes its connected to my adsl router
[10:40] <trender> at present
[10:41] <trender> ive just done the network stuff to get it online
[10:41] <trender> the poking inside the box is done via telnet
[10:42] <magespawn> i see that it will do it its own routing as, so you only need a adsl modem
[10:42] <trender> you are correct yes
[10:42] <trender> it has 4 ports for routing
[10:42] <trender> i dont need those though my router already does that
[10:43] <trender> ou can drop any linux package on the box via the admin interface "install hdd image"
[10:43] <trender> you = ou
[10:44] <trender> but i think you need to go in via telnet to ./configure packages
[10:45] <trender> off course i know nothing about linux
[10:45] <trender> just have interogated this relic for 2 days
[10:45] <trender> poked around and such
[10:46] <trender> i would very much like to get the NAS working
[10:46] <trender> like install samba and apache
[10:46] <magespawn> lookd like a great little box
[10:46] <magespawn> what is the physical size?
[10:46] <trender> but i dont really know how to install software on this box
[10:46] <trender> lunch box size
[10:48] <trender> its only bix enuf to install the hard disk inside
[10:48] <Kilos> 70g or 80g
[10:48] <magespawn> this page shows all the services that are currently running
[10:48] <magespawn> http://105.225.161.189:8090/server/sstart
[10:49] <trender> correct
[10:49] <trender> ideally i would like it to run NAS and web services
[10:49] <magespawn> looks like if you want to extend the functionality you have install and os in=mage to the drive
[10:49] <magespawn> you know telnet is not secure
[10:49] <magespawn> ?
[10:49] <trender> yes i need some image
[10:49] <trender> yes my telnet is open
[10:50] <trender> im open for suggestions to get this box working
[10:51] <magespawn> is there a hard drive in it now?
[10:51] <Kilos> get an ubuntu iso and install it
[10:51] <trender> 70gb hard drive in it now yes
[10:52] <trender> i wont know how to install ubuntu on this box
[10:52] <Kilos> i didnt know they made 70gB drives
[10:52] <magespawn> it looks like you need to image an active hard drive that has the install as you want it then upload it to the box
[10:52] <Kilos> no dvdrom or nothing
[10:53] <trender> it has no bootable devices
[10:53] <Kilos> cant you plugin an external dvdrom
[10:53] <magespawn> maybe wait till one of the smart guys put their head in
[10:53] <trender> ok brb ok need to get the door
[10:53] <trender> yes i have nothing but time
[10:53] <trender> this is just a hobbie
[10:54] <Kilos> nice
[10:54] <Kilos> retired millionaire?
[10:54] <Kilos> hehe
[10:54] <trender> erm something like that
[10:54] <trender> brb
[10:55] <Kilos> does it do everything online magespawn ?
[10:55] <magespawn> through a web browser, and telnet
[10:55] <Kilos> hi simeon 
[10:55] <magespawn> the is a pdf manual here http://is.gd/er7W27
[10:57] <magespawn> and the amazon pictures here http://is.gd/quYcc3
[10:59] <magespawn> trender: do you have the wired only version?
[11:01] <Kilos> it says wireless too and pppoe
[11:02] <magespawn> to get ubuntu running on that you would need the arm version not the standard iso
[11:03] <magespawn> there are two Kilos one with wireless
[11:03] <Kilos> ah
[11:05] <magespawn> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/arm here is the download page
[11:05] <Kilos> i wonder if the wireless one will do 3g
[11:07] <magespawn> the wireless is for wireless lan or WiFi
[11:07] <magespawn> here is the link for the arm install instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install
[11:09] <magespawn> if trender sets this up http://105.225.161.189:8090/dyndns then you can access it from anyware all the time
[11:11] <magespawn> looks like a nice little server that
[11:11] <Kilos> hi Georgl 
[11:11] <Georgl> hi Kilos
[11:12] <Kilos> yeah it does magespawn 
[11:12] <Kilos> aybe with tweaking the wireless one will do 3g
[11:12] <Kilos> or with a buntu install
[11:13] <magespawn> you might be able to run it through one of the usb ports on the back
[11:13] <Kilos> i actually saw a command on how to connect a server to 3g other day but dont ask me where anymore
[11:13] <Kilos> yeah with usb it might work
[11:14] <magespawn> install the ubuntu arm and then use sakis3g to connect, the square one could then handle the routing for the network and teh dyndns would still work too
[11:14] <magespawn> s/teh/the
[11:15] <Kilos> i dunno whats an ubuntu arm
[11:17] <Kilos> superfly: did you look at this thing?
[11:24] <magespawn> Kilos arm is a type of processor like intel pentium
[11:24] <Kilos> ah
[11:24] <Kilos> ty
[11:24] <magespawn> that version of ubuntu is made for that type of processor
[11:24] <Kilos> and they use a different version of ubuntu
[11:24] <Kilos> oic
[11:25] <magespawn> different types of processor do things differently so the software has to be cutomised for it
[11:26] <magespawn> no changes to the interface AFAIK all under the bonnet
[11:26] <Kilos> lekker small server though
[11:27] <superfly> Kilos: at what?
[11:28] <Kilos> whew lotsa scroll back superfly 
[11:28] <magespawn> http://105.225.161.189:8090
[11:29] <magespawn> admin an squareone
[11:29] <magespawn> superfly^
[11:33] <trender> ok im back
[11:33] <trender> sorry okes busy day this side
[11:33] <Kilos> np
[11:34] <trender> anyone have any ideas about the lunchbox :) ?
[11:34] <superfly> magespawn: interesting
[11:34] <trender> linuchbox with linux sarmies
[11:35] <Kilos> as magespawn said try install from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install
[11:35] <trender> ah that looks promising
[11:35] <trender> designed for arm cores
[11:35] <Kilos> and get a ubuntu cd and install ubuntu alongside your windows
[11:36] <trender> oh yea
[11:36] <magespawn> trender are going to sell them here?
[11:36] <Kilos> then you can use xchat to come here
[11:36] <trender> erm i dont know at present
[11:36] <trender> first i need to get the apps installed
[11:36] <trender> but yea will likely sell them at some stage
[11:37] <Kilos> oh you first want to install everything then sell working boxes?
[11:37] <trender> yea yea
[11:37] <magespawn> cool keep us posted
[11:37] <trender> will do so
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> would it cost less than a raspberry pi?
[11:37] <magespawn> most linux peeps will install their own software
[11:38] <trender> what a rasberry pic costing now ?
[11:38] <trender> pi
[11:38] <Kilos> yeah you might wanna sell some without going to the trouble first
[11:38] <magespawn> $35
[11:38] <trender> can rasberry pi make a nas box ?
[11:38] <magespawn> or there is a site here doing it in rands
[11:38] <trender> no this box im the olnt importer for these products at repsent
[11:39] <trender> only
[11:39] <magespawn> yes but you buy almost everything seperate
[11:39] <magespawn> was talking about the pi
[11:39] <Kilos> so what do they cost?
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> raspberry pi can do almost anything, it was designed to be a learning platform
[11:40] <trender> ah yes ive heard about rasberry pi
[11:42] <trender> sorry im flippen running around like a bluass fly
[11:43] <trender> rasberry pi have a HDD interface ??
[11:43] <confluency> Why, hello again.
[11:45] <Kilos> hi confluency 
[11:45] <tumbleweed> no, PIs have USB
[11:45] <magespawn> http://www.pifactory.co.za/ 
[11:45] <tumbleweed> there aren't many ARM boards with SATA, but they are available
[11:45] <trender> cool man
[11:46] <magespawn> i saw one somwhere brb
[11:47] <magespawn> somebody posted a link here 
[11:47] <trender> i spose the students will like the PI
[11:48] <tumbleweed> everybody likes them
[11:48] <trender> ya cool toys
[11:49] <trender> i dont have time to turn the PI into meaningfull toys though
[11:49] <trender> although would very much like to
[11:49] <trender> i will order some fro the students 
[11:49] <trender> for
[12:00] <Georgl> trender: are all of your squareone devices you have in need of intalling/reloading the firmware?
[12:01] <trender> erm
[12:01] <trender> the firmware is not really available
[12:01] <trender> itian are not responding
[12:01] <Georgl> ok
[12:01] <trender> its mostly in need of the hard drive image = software packages
[12:02] <trender> like samba and apache
[12:02] <trender> i dont know if i need to install a real linux OS per se
[12:02] <Georgl> may i look around and change some settings?
[12:02] <trender> it has an embedded linux OS
[12:03] <trender> yes play with it by all means
[12:03] <Georgl> ok
[12:03] <Georgl> thank you
[12:03] <trender> thats why its here :)
[12:03] <trender> you can use the telnet as well
[12:08] <magespawn> looks like you could use the preconfigered image here 
[12:08] <magespawn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
[12:08] <magespawn> on your system here http://105.225.161.189:8090/system/conf_setting
[12:09] <trender> interesting
[12:09] <trender> that part kinda boggles me for now
[12:09] <magespawn> not sure which one it would be though
[12:10] <trender> you and me both :)
[12:10] <trender> this is a new experience for me
[12:11] <magespawn> here is some more info 
[12:14] <magespawn> there are three different ones, the first two are about 498MB each are img.gz, so probable need to be extracted first before you use them
[12:14] <magespawn> not too sure so confirm it first
[12:16] <trender> the box automatically does the extractions
[12:16] <trender> i dont controll that process at all
[12:16] <trender> i just point to tar.gz images
[12:21] <trender> the person who comes up with the most creative way of "fixing" this squareone box can have a free box
[12:23] <trender> its just a nice playtoy at present :)
[12:26] <Kilos> trender: do you teach? i see you say students
[12:27] <trender> yes i do teach
[12:27] <Kilos> wb Jabberwocky_ 
[12:27] <trender> students at KZn mostly i pay for thier practical credits courses
[12:27] <Kilos> ah
[12:28] <trender> i only take one at a time...i dont have a big place at present
[12:29] <trender> each student costs me about 10k for 2 months
[12:30] <trender> else they never gonna find work
[12:30] <trender> the job market is hard
[12:30] <Kilos> whew
[12:30] <trender> nobody wants to employ students
[12:30] <Vince-0> hey trender 
[12:30] <trender> yo man
[12:30] <Kilos> even qualified peeps battle for work nowadays
[12:30] <trender> you are right
[12:31] <Vince-0> got any Linux admins?
[12:31] <trender> everyone needs to eat
[12:31] <Kilos> trender: Vince-0 is a durbanite
[12:31] <trender> ok cool mate
[12:31] <trender> nah linux is just a hobby for me at present
[12:31] <Kilos> one of the lug guys
[12:31] <trender> great :)
[12:31] <trender> this lug is new to me
[12:32] <trender> i wasnt sure where you okes was hiding :)
[12:32] <Vince-0> durbanlinux.org.za
[12:32] <trender> i will like to do some linux projects though
[12:32] <trender> as i get up to speed
[12:33] <trender> im more an old school guy asmfreak etc
[12:33] <trender> enjoyed the asm coding
[12:33] <trender> back in the day :P
[12:34] <trender> atmel pic etc
[12:34] <trender> even pcs
[12:34] <trender> but that was years back
[12:35] <trender> i dont do much dev work anymore
[12:35] <Kilos> hehe you also a ballie?
[12:35] <trender> yea man those days i still had hair and teeth :)
[12:35] <Vince-0> what do you teach to students?
[12:35] <Kilos> lol sounds familiar
[12:36] <trender> practical elecronics programming mostly
[12:36] <trender> depends what thier credits call for
[12:36] <Kilos> their
[12:36] <Kilos> we used to have a spell checker but he got busy
[12:37] <Vince-0> nice! join KZN house4hack
[12:37] <trender> im fairly flexible
[12:37] <Vince-0> kzn.house4hack.co.za
[12:37] <trender> :)
[12:37] <trender> ah my typing is very bad 
[12:37] <trender> and this vista box is very slow
[12:38] <tonberryE352> of all the versions of windows you could be running...
[12:39] <trender> hehe
[12:39] <trender> yes i know
[12:39] <trender> im just to lazy to fix this box
[12:39] <Kilos> lol just install ubuntu
[12:39] <trender> have to much work here
[12:39] <Kilos> fixes all windows probs
[12:39] <trender> yea you are right
[12:39] <trender> will get there :)
[12:40] <Kilos> install take 25 mins and then an hour or so updating/upgrading
[12:40] <trender> small steps..for an old dog
[12:40] <Kilos> lol how old are you if i may ask?
[12:40] <trender> eish dont ask
[12:40] <Kilos> more than 62?
[12:41] <trender> lets just say i witnessed the birth of the pc
[12:41] <trender> nah not so bad
[12:41] <Kilos> aw i dunno when that was
[12:41] <Kilos> then you younger than me and im not even a pc person
[12:42] <trender> ah well im not a dinosaur :P
[12:42] <Kilos> was a mechanic till i was given a p2 a few years back
[12:42] <trender> so you reinvesnted yerself ?
[12:42] <trender> reinvented
[12:43] <trender> nice
[12:43] <Kilos> and since then have struggled through win 95 98 xp till i was told there is a virus free OS available called linux
[12:43] <trender> hehe yes indeed
[12:43] <trender> the road less travelled
[12:44] <Kilos> and by chance came on ubuntu from a neighbour who had a copy of 8.04
[12:44] <trender> ah ive wanted to do this for many years
[12:44] <trender> ive just not really had the time 
[12:44] <trender> to many pans in other fires
[12:44] <Kilos> battled in the beginning till i was informed by the fly to come here and its been wonderful since
[12:45] <trender> yea yea this is a good place to start i think
[12:45] <Kilos> ya but half or more of your time is used up sukkeling with winstinks
[12:45] <trender> the ##linux channel is to hectic
[12:45] <trender> i prefer a smaller crowd
[12:45] <Kilos> yeah this is the most friendly helpful channel of them all
[12:45] <trender> get stepped on less :P
[12:45] <Kilos> and big brains here
[12:46] <trender> yea i bet
[12:46] <Kilos> ubuntu dev guys and python experts and lots more
[12:46] <trender> and chanserv lives here as well :P
[12:46] <Kilos> lol
[12:46] <Kilos> are you here with your browser
[12:47] <trender> no no a mirc client
[12:47] <Kilos> ah
[12:47] <trender> so i can log and digest later
[12:47] <trender> us older folks need to log the brain gets to full :)
[12:48] <Kilos> lol i often have to scroll back and see who said what but mostly thats major work
[12:48] <trender> ya
[12:48] <trender> i prefer one on one chats really
[12:48] <trender> but people think yer gay then :P
[12:49] <trender> or want cybersex
[12:49] <trender> etc
[12:49] <Kilos> i dunno mirc but the irc clients like xchat and quassel have a pm function
[12:49] <Kilos> wait ill try you
[12:49] <trender> yea yea i got private chat
[12:49] <trender> mirc is very strong mature client
[12:49] <tonberryE352> and oh so bloated
[12:50] <trender> yes very bloated
[12:50] <trender> the very nature of its scripting is a double edged sword
[12:50] <Kilos> you can get xchat for win too
[12:50] <Kilos> used to be free
[12:51] <trender> better the devil you know ;)
[12:51] <Kilos> maybe they also want $49 nowadays
[12:51] <trender> at this stage anyway
[12:54] <magespawn> Vince-0: is that a channel or a site?
[12:54] <Vince-0> ey
[12:54] <Vince-0> both are sites
[12:54] <Vince-0> one looks a bit old school
[12:54] <Vince-0> but that's peter's from house4hack
[12:58] <magespawn> cannot load http://kzn.house4hack.co.za/
[13:04] <Kilos> Vince-0: fix it
[13:05] <magespawn> might not be broken 
[13:05] <magespawn> lol
[13:08] <Vince-0> ya doesn't look like its online
[14:11] <magespawn> hey HawkiesZA
[14:12] <magespawn> just watched the LTG Chai fm episode
[14:12] <HawkiesZA> Helloski
[14:12] <HawkiesZA> Aha. Which one?
[14:12] <magespawn> 126
[14:15] <magespawn> nice to see 'mainstream' recognition
[14:15] <HawkiesZA> Ah, yeah. My last one for a bit. 125 was also at Chai, though that was somewhat unplanned. I see 125 hasn't been uploaded though. Heads will roll for this!
[14:17] <magespawn> right lol
[14:20] <HawkiesZA> What'd you think?
[14:20] <magespawn> you moving to cape town for work?
[14:20] <magespawn> i liked it
[14:21] <HawkiesZA> haha. Already here.
[14:21] <magespawn> sound was very good
[14:21] <HawkiesZA> And content? :P
[14:21] <magespawn> that does not vary in quality much, if at all
[14:24] <HawkiesZA> heh. So either decent or you're a sucker for punishment
[14:24] <HawkiesZA> I'll take it as a good thing
[14:24] <HawkiesZA> :D
[14:25] <magespawn> i am also married (11 years) with two kids, so maybe the second one is more accurate
[14:26] <Kilos> hi fender
[14:27] <Kilos> sjoe fender and trender
[14:27] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:27] <fender> arg ya
[14:27] <Kilos> i go get sheep
[14:27] <fender> need to kill the spook
[14:27] <fender> ok kilos take it easy mate
[14:28] <fender> had a windows moment :P
[14:29] <fender> ah gees now wonder
[14:29] <fender> no wonder
[14:30] <fender> the linux people are telling me windos has exploits lol
[14:30] <magespawn> HawkiesZA: but yes content is good
[14:31] <trender> ok gosh im back
[14:31] <trender> so its hack the new guy time hehe
[14:31] <magespawn> how so ?
[14:32] <trender> i see this network makes you very vulnerable
[14:32] <magespawn> you mean your squareone?
[14:32] <HawkiesZA> magespawn, kewl. Well, if you have comments/feedback/nerdrage, feel free to let 'em know. If it's the first two, I'll be happy to pass on the message
[14:32] <trender> no no even my laptop here
[14:32] <trender> yer ip is very exposed on this network
[14:33] <trender> nice in some ways not in others
[14:33] <magespawn> when you connect to irc it shows your external ip address unless you get a cloak
[14:33] <trender> yes i figured that out now :)
[14:34] <trender> i was just knocked offline a sec ago
[14:34] <magespawn> you  mean from the channel or in general?
[14:34] <trender> moral of the story dont use windoze in a lunux channel lol
[14:34] <trender> no no in general
[14:35] <Kilos> nope , morale is dont use windows anywhere
[14:35] <magespawn> wonder what happened?
[14:35] <trender> general DOS
[14:35] <trender> or something tamer
[14:35] <trender> not an issue really :)
[14:35] <magespawn> there are a few of use here who use windows fro various reasons
[14:36] <trender> yea yea
[14:36] <trender> but this kind of network tends to invite the port scanner kiddies and exploiters
[14:37] <trender> okes with to much time and not enough clue :)
[14:37] <trender> thats so 20yrs ago IMO
[14:37] <trender> the new networks cloak yer ip automatically
[14:38] <trender> well some do some dont
[14:39] <magespawn> indeed, not sure about the reasoning behind the non automatic cloaking
[14:40] <trender> yea something to do with file sharing
[14:40] <trender> dcc services i guess
[14:41] <trender> its better to be exposed in some ways i guess if you know what yer doing
[14:41] <trender> but this laptop is a bit of a flake
[14:47]  * trender yawns
[14:48] <trender> linux makes me tired just thinking about it
[14:48] <trender> its a big step
[14:51] <magespawn> trender: there is lots of info online via google, and peeps here know a lot 
[14:52] <magespawn> later all home time
[14:53] <trender> ok cool mate
[14:53] <trender> i will stick around and soak up the possiblities
[14:53] <Kilos> trender: its easier than you think
[14:53] <Kilos> later mage
[14:53] <trender> its just the first tep mate
[14:53] <Kilos> grrr
[14:53] <Kilos> magespawn: 
[14:53] <Kilos> lol
[14:53] <trender> first step is the hardest
[14:54] <Kilos> you going about it the hard way thats why
[14:54] <trender> hehe
[14:54] <trender> yea mabee
[14:55] <trender> i will get the idea eventually
[14:55] <trender> its just a foreign concept at present
[14:56] <trender> how them sheep mate....baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad ??
[14:57] <trender> sorry i had to do that :)
[14:57] <trender> i cant imagine looking after sheep
[14:57] <trender> i would love a farm though
[14:58] <trender> and i will buy one soon
[14:58] <trender> but not for annimals
[15:00] <Kilos> hehe
[15:00] <Kilos> they fine today, came half way home on their own
[15:00] <trender> just need a big stock to encourage them ?
[15:01] <trender> stok even
[15:03] <Kilos> lol ya but its getting the stok behind them thats tiriyng
[15:03] <Kilos> tiring
[15:03] <Kilos> other wise they go further
[15:05] <trender> :)
[15:05] <trender> i try not to eat anything with a heartbeat
[15:05] <Kilos> you are supposed to shorten them some first
[15:05] <Kilos> then no heartbeat
[15:06] <trender> meat causes cancer and diseases
[15:06] <Kilos> eish i forgot to announce tonights meet till now on the lists
[15:06] <trender> vegetable reverse diseases
[15:07] <trender> the former is not acceptable to me
[15:07] <Kilos> trender: if you are gonna get the guts to install ubuntu then you must join our mailing list
[15:07] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[15:07] <trender> ive got the guts allright
[15:08] <trender> just working on some many projects right now
[15:08] <trender> need to focus on the money taps mostly
[15:08] <trender> i have an extravagant wife :(
[15:08] <Kilos> but you may join now anyway
[15:09] <Kilos> maybe some of the list guys will look into your toy as well
[15:09] <Kilos> lol
[15:09] <trender> yea yea im sure they will
[15:09] <trender> some oke will end up getting one for free
[15:09] <trender> i dont mind giving a few boxes away
[15:10] <Kilos> what do them things cost anyway
[15:10] <trender> i know people will like to play with it
[15:10] <trender> when it was released about 5k i think
[15:10] <Kilos> whew
[15:10] <trender> but thats 7 years back
[15:10] <Kilos> as bad as modern cell fones
[15:10] <trender> i suppose its really what you make of it
[15:11] <trender> suppose you use it to the max it adds value
[15:11] <Kilos> and space
[15:11] <trender> but if you just need a print server mabee it wont make sence
[15:11] <Kilos> the fly uses a P2 as his server
[15:12] <trender> i had some guy give me R5k for 1 unit without question
[15:12] <trender> bbut i have no idea what hes gonna use it for
[15:12] <trender> in fact he wanted to pay 12k
[15:12] <trender> i told him it wasnt ready
[15:13] <trender> guess some okes know what they want
[15:13] <trender> personally i dont know what these can do as yet
[15:14] <trender> its just a smart looking brick to me
[15:14] <Kilos> whew
[15:14] <Kilos> wb maiatoday 
[15:14] <trender> he just wanted a NAS box
[15:14] <Kilos> dont forget tonights meeting
[15:14] <trender> i didnt even know what NAS box was :P
[15:15] <Kilos> i still dont
[15:15] <trender> just knew thes where cool toys to have
[15:15] <Kilos> lol
[15:15] <trender> imported 140kg of these machines
[15:15] <maiatoday> Kilos, I have a regular class on mondays from 7:15 to 8:30, I tried to wiggle out of it but I can't. The class used to be on a Tuesday but they moved it
[15:15] <trender> took 31 days to get here
[15:15] <Kilos> oh my maiatoday and whos gonna give info on your agenda item
[15:16] <trender> 2 months if you inclde tha blerry logistics
[15:17] <trender> paid what amounts to R200/unit for the squareone servers
[15:17] <trender> or 20k for this batch
[15:17] <Kilos> ah thats not too bad
[15:17] <trender> nah its ok
[15:17] <trender> the logistics cost more then the items
[15:18] <trender> as it often does
[15:19] <trender> these boxes only cost R50/unit i guess
[15:19] <trender> i cleared them out
[15:19] <trender> now they just got the second generation boxes left
[15:20] <trender> those have wifi
[15:20] <trender> and usb
[15:20] <trender> etc etc
[15:20] <Kilos> ah
[15:20] <Kilos> you shoulda takem them rather
[15:20] <Kilos> mind you for peeps with adsl its ok
[15:20] <trender> ah yes but those would have been hectically expensive
[15:21] <Kilos> ah
[15:21] <Kilos> maybe its possible to upgrade
[15:21] <trender> erm not sure really
[15:21] <trender> perhaps you can
[15:21] <Kilos> add on bits and pieces
[15:21] <trender> but the hardware is different
[15:21] <trender> yes you are right
[15:21] <trender> the sata interface is a start
[15:22] <Kilos> like a usb hub and so on
[15:22] <trender> erm yes
[15:22] <trender> im gonna look into mods
[15:22] <Kilos> evrything has usb today
[15:22] <trender> i was offered 100k for this batch
[15:23] <trender> but i declined
[15:23] <trender> mabee a stupid move i shall wait and see
[15:23] <trender> sometimes you take the cash and run
[15:24] <trender> other times you leverage the tech
[15:24] <Kilos> lol
[15:24] <trender> for instance this bow with a webserver and installed website may add value
[15:24] <trender> box
[15:25] <trender> i have okes who want to take this to the next level
[15:25] <trender> im just in no hurry to roll out a bad egg
[15:25] <trender> i rather try to figure this out slowly
[15:27] <trender> webserver plus fileserver nas would be cool
[15:28] <trender> i dont know yet how big a hard disk its gonna support yet
[15:28] <trender> so i havnt been out shopping yet
[15:28] <trender> and i need 100 drives as well
[15:28] <trender> so thats gonna hurt
[15:29] <Kilos> ouch and ide no longer made here
[15:29] <Kilos> maybe china will havw still
[15:29] <trender> well im gonna convert to sata
[15:29] <trender> yes china still has stock
[15:30] <trender> but i rather go to sata if i can make that reliable
[15:30] <trender> ide technically is more stable
[15:30] <Kilos> that adapter works well
[15:30] <trender> i hope so mate
[15:30] <Kilos> even a pc dont know the diffs
[15:30] <trender> ive used one before
[15:31] <trender> but the adapter fell off the sata drive and it was toasted
[15:31] <trender> serial bus is a funny annimal
[15:32] <Kilos> oh the one ive seen has a cable from the ide plug to the sata plug so its flexible
[15:32] <trender> ya i think some work both ways even
[15:33] <trender> sata>>ide and ide>>sata
[15:33] <Kilos> ive got one of those but it then plugs into a usb port
[15:33] <trender> but from what ive heard the techiese dont like those adapters
[15:33] <trender> ah thats neat man
[15:34] <trender> makes a usb drive minus enclosure
[15:34] <Kilos> yip
[15:34] <trender> very usefull
[15:36] <trender> the rasberry Pi looks interesting as well
[15:36] <trender> ive been looking at this for a long time now
[15:37] <Kilos> the guys love them
[15:38] <trender> yea the gpio make them very versatile
[15:38] <Kilos> gpio?
[15:38] <trender> general purpose io ports
[15:38] <Kilos> ah
[15:38] <trender> the ports that are exposed to the real world
[15:39] <trender> like for displays and keybords etc
[15:40] <trender> rasberry pi can do some hectic stuff with ease
[15:40] <trender> a devellopers toy of course
[15:40] <trender> great for students
[15:40] <trender> nicely priced
[15:41] <trender> but im not gonna make a burglar alarm on it lol
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <trender> mabee a remote coke machine that disciminates its customers
[15:42] <trender> discriminates even
[15:42] <trender> give 2 cokes to the girls 1 to the boys ;)
[15:42] <trender> and take phone numbers ;)
[15:43] <trender> with web based invertory controll
[15:44] <trender> inventory rather
[15:45] <trender> brb i need to check the supper is gonna happen...
[16:22] <nuvolari> o/ aloha
[16:22] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[16:23] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[16:23] <Kilos> is jy en apie reg vir vanaand
[16:26] <nuvolari> ek hoop so oom Kilos :P
[16:26] <nuvolari> apie stoel mos?
[16:26] <Kilos> ya
[16:26] <Trixar_za> Oh hai nuvolari
[16:27] <nuvolari> oh hai Trixar_za 
[16:27] <nuvolari> you been good?
[16:28]  * nuvolari prods kbmonkey
[16:29] <nuvolari> gosh, i need to go for new glasses
[16:32] <Kilos> hes not here yet
[16:32] <Kilos> lets hope
[16:32] <Trixar_za> I've been alright
[16:34] <Kilos> yo Trixar_za 
[16:34] <Kilos> hi Meesterarend 
[16:34] <Meesterarend> Hey guys
[16:34] <Meesterarend> kilos
[16:35] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos and Meesterarend
[16:37] <Meesterarend> hey Trixar_za
[16:46] <Guest4608> fefe
[16:49] <nuvolari> oh hi Meesterarend 
[16:49] <nuvolari> gaan dit wel?
[16:49] <Meesterarend> hey nuvolari
[16:50] <Meesterarend> jip
[16:50] <Meesterarend> besig en als 
[16:51] <nuvolari> besig is goed
[16:51] <Meesterarend> ja
[16:51] <Meesterarend> maar maandae is soms die ergste
[16:57] <theblazehen> Hi all
[16:57] <nuvolari> hi theblazehen 
[16:59] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[16:59] <theblazehen> Meeting at 19:30 right?
[17:01] <Kilos> yip theblazehen 
[17:01] <theblazehen> thanks
[17:08]  * Kilos goes to eat
[17:09] <trender> evening people
[17:10] <kbmonkey_> hello
[17:10] <trender> lo kb
[17:10] <nuvolari> oh hi kbmonkey_ 
[17:10] <nuvolari> hi trender 
[17:10]  * nuvolari tips hat
[17:10] <trender> hi peeps
[17:10] <kbmonkey_> hmm, seems I am logged in twice. brb...
[17:10] <trender> if you want to check out the linux toys its online now
[17:11] <trender> dunno if you okes seen it yet
[17:11] <kbmonkey> hello :]
[17:11] <trender> http://105.225.161.189:8090 admin:squareone
[17:12] <trender> the telnet is also open
[17:12] <trender> have a look play around with it etc
[17:12] <kbmonkey> what linux toys is that trender ?
[17:12] <trender> its a lunchbox server called squareone
[17:13] <trender> with linuc on a arm41 core
[17:13] <trender> linux
[17:13] <trender> a small all in one linux box
[17:14] <kbmonkey> first tim eI heard of a lunchbox server. I like that flipout keyboard
[17:14] <trender> try resist the urge to format the disk :)
[17:15] <trender> the telnet is open as well to play with it
[17:15] <trender> port23
[17:15] <trender> brb eating...
[17:17] <SmilyBorg> good evening all
[17:17] <kbmonkey> hello SmilyBorg 
[17:17] <kbmonkey> hello nuvolari 
[17:17] <kbmonkey> hello Meesterarend 
[17:18] <kbmonkey> ah, niantic approved some of my portals. too bad i don't play ingress anymore, need a larger device than a nexus one.
[17:19] <kbmonkey> fyi the meeting minutes are at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/560/detail/
[17:19] <kbmonkey> if anyone wants to add any items
[17:20] <charl> good evening
[17:21] <charl> just in time for the meeting i see
[17:21] <Meesterarend> Hey all
[17:21] <charl> hi Meesterarend 
[17:21] <kbmonkey> hello charl 
[17:21] <charl> hi kbmonkey 
[17:21] <Vince-0> im here, between braai tongs
[17:21] <queery> *sniff *sniff
[17:21] <queery> hoi
[17:22] <kbmonkey> hello Vince-0 - how about some braai mushrooms? :]
[17:22] <kbmonkey> hello queery 
[17:22] <Vince-0> veges are starter
[17:22] <trender> ok back
[17:23] <queery> hate being sick
[17:23] <charl> feel better soon queery 
[17:23] <queery> thanx charl
[17:24] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey SmilyBorg charl queery 
[17:24] <trender> anyone figure out how to this linux squareone lunchbox server effectively can have a free one
[17:24] <trender> how to ifx
[17:24] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[17:24] <trender> fix
[17:24] <Kilos> you ready monkey?
[17:24] <trender> grr
[17:25] <kbmonkey> are you ready Kilos ?
[17:25] <theblazehen> trender, What do you mean?
[17:25] <kbmonkey> I am :]
[17:25] <Kilos> its your show kbmonkey 
[17:25] <charl> hi Kilos 
[17:25] <kbmonkey> we still have 5 minutes?
[17:25] <Kilos> im parking off tonight
[17:26] <trender> the aquareone linux server is missing application image files to make it work right
[17:26] <Kilos> yip
[17:26] <theblazehen> trender, ok. BTW telnet wont work
[17:26] <trender> telnet works best on a hyperterminal xp client
[17:26] <trender> telnet is working
[17:26] <theblazehen> oh.
[17:27] <trender> if the telnet not working its yer client thats not lekker
[17:28] <trender> some brighspark linux oke who cracks this sqaureone box gets to keep one
[17:28] <theblazehen> trender, Let me have a look at this then
[17:28] <trender> im open for suggestions as well
[17:28] <queery> hi oom Kilos 
[17:28] <trender> go right ahead mate
[17:28] <queery> Maaz, coffee on
[17:28]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:29] <queery> Maaz, coffee for all
[17:29] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[17:29] <queery> not staying long
[17:29] <queery> feeling horrid
[17:29] <kbmonkey> sugar? gimme the *beans*!
[17:30] <nuvolari> :O
[17:30] <Kilos> Macoffee please
[17:30] <nuvolari> need coffee
[17:30] <Kilos> ai!
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[17:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[17:30] <nuvolari> I'm going to put the kettle on
[17:30]  * nuvolari sings 'I wanna be a simba chippie...'
[17:31] <Kilos> kbmonkey: time
[17:32] <kbmonkey> roger that
[17:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery and Kilos!
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz: danke
[17:32] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:33] <queery> Maaz, dankie
[17:33] <Maaz> Groot plesier queery my vriend
[17:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: botbitcoin
[17:33] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[17:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly IRC meet 15 April 2013
[17:33]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Welcoming and Introduction
[17:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[17:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz: I am Miles Sharpe
[17:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[17:34] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Done
[17:34] <theblazehen> Maaz I am Jeandre Henderson
[17:34] <Maaz> theblazehen: Alrighty
[17:34] <SmilyBorg> Maaz: I am Una Karlsen
[17:34] <Maaz> SmilyBorg: Alrighty
[17:34] <nuvolari> oh hi SmilyBorg 
[17:34] <queery> Maaz, i am Dewald
[17:34] <Maaz> queery: Okay
[17:35] <SmilyBorg> hi nuvolari
[17:35] <kbmonkey> Hello and welcome everyone. You can see today's agenda at 
[17:35] <kbmonkey> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/560/detail/
[17:35] <superfly> ohi
[17:35] <queery> can I make a request
[17:35] <kbmonkey> I'm glad to see all of you here :]
[17:35] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:35] <Maaz> superfly: Righto
[17:35] <kbmonkey> sure queery 
[17:36] <queery> can we move events to the front after admin
[17:36] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, ping
[17:36] <queery> i really don't think I can concentrate
[17:36] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: pong!
[17:37] <Meesterarend> Maaz: I am Frans de Waal
[17:37] <Maaz> Meesterarend: Yessir
[17:37] <kbmonkey> I don't see why not, unless anyone objects? 
[17:37] <queery> sorry, I really just need to get into bed
[17:38] <queery> well properly
[17:38] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[17:38] <Maaz> charl: Righto
[17:39] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[17:39] <kbmonkey> okay let's start then
[17:39] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Review previous minutes
[17:39] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[17:39] <kbmonkey> these are at this auspicious url: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-03-18-17-34-02.txt
[17:39] <Trixar_za> Maaz: I am Brenton Scott
[17:39] <Maaz> Trixar_za: Sure
[17:40] <Trixar_za> Sorry, I was feeling left out
[17:40] <kbmonkey> We spoke about Ubuntu+1 development, I'm not sure if we have anything to add this time round?
[17:40] <kbmonkey> welcome Trixar_za :]
[17:40] <queery> no CD's
[17:41] <kbmonkey> so let's focus on the agreeds. Release parties. we can discuss those in events?
[17:41] <queery> yip
[17:41] <kbmonkey> yes, heard there's no CD's 
[17:41] <Kilos> kbmonkey: you gotta start using maaz to shorten links
[17:41] <nuvolari> we didn't start planning one for Durbs yet
[17:41] <kbmonkey> is lionthinker around?
[17:41] <queery> maaz can do that
[17:41] <Kilos> nope
[17:41] <kbmonkey> no but was hoping to catch you tonight nuvolari and we can start initial ideas :]
[17:42] <Meesterarend> Release parties are held long before we get any cd's any way
[17:42] <nuvolari> okies
[17:42] <kbmonkey> SmilyBorg, might be keen too, we will keep everyone informed
[17:42] <nuvolari> May 4th would be a good time
[17:42] <SmilyBorg> yup, I'm keen
[17:42] <superfly> nuvolari: Star Wars day (and mrs_fly_'s birthday)
[17:43] <SmilyBorg> running the beta on 2 machines aready and it's nice
[17:43] <kbmonkey> Rad, okay Lionthinker was talking about Ogg Camp ZA, they're not around so wee will catch up with that later.
[17:43] <nuvolari> superfly: the 4th?
[17:43] <superfly> uhuh
[17:43] <nuvolari> wow, an eventful day!
[17:43] <SmilyBorg> may 4th is the day before my birthday
[17:43] <nuvolari> looks like a party weekend!
[17:43] <queery> ill be in knysna with the boyfriend
[17:44] <queery> for pink loerie
[17:44] <superfly> This just in: Ubuntu site has an updated design: http://www.ubuntu.com/
[17:44] <kbmonkey> anybody wants to add anything for previous minutes? I'll move to the next topic: Events...
[17:44] <superfly> not me
[17:44] <Kilos> hi georgelappies 
[17:44] <Kilos> tell the bot who you are
[17:45] <queery> next is admin
[17:45]  * nuvolari checks out oeboentoe.com
[17:45] <queery> and anouncements
[17:45] <kbmonkey> ah true that queery, thanks. been a long Monday ;)
[17:45] <queery> no worries
[17:45] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Administrativia & Announcements
[17:45] <Maaz> Current Topic: Administrativia & Announcements
[17:45] <kbmonkey> I want to announce that this topic name is too long
[17:46] <nuvolari> lol
[17:46] <Kilos> lol
[17:46] <Trixar_za> Agreed
[17:46] <nuvolari> on a good month it takes longer to type administrativia than the topic itself
[17:47] <Kilos> yeah just admin is good
[17:47] <kbmonkey> Also, administrative wise I'ld like soembody else to chair next meeting, but we can decide that at the end.
[17:47] <Kilos> change it quick before the pro gets here
[17:47] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[17:47] <superfly> anything else to add to admin?
[17:48] <kbmonkey> nothing from my side, the floor is open for announcements from anyone here :]
[17:48] <superfly> kbmonkey: oh, the za. mirror seems to be down at the moment
[17:48] <superfly> use either ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za or ubuntu.mirror.ufs.ac.za
[17:48] <queery> and mirror.ac.za
[17:49] <superfly> queery: mirror.ac.za is the one that is down
[17:49] <queery> or ftp.sun.ac.za
[17:49] <Kilos> yeah i battled to get twitter in pidgin
[17:49] <Kilos> changed to the uct one
[17:49] <kbmonkey> thanks for the notice, good to know.
[17:49] <queery> webafrica one is also ok
[17:49] <queery> but they are idiots
[17:50] <nuvolari> any iburst people around? :P
[17:50] <kbmonkey> not me
[17:50] <kbmonkey> okay next up...
[17:51] <kbmonkey> oh anybody shout if I move too fast :>
[17:51] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Events
[17:51] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[17:52] <kbmonkey> Release parties! 13.04 is due and KZN peeps are keen for some fun.
[17:52] <nuvolari> and an Ubuntu Hour in June
[17:53] <Kilos> tumbleweed: you not here ?
[17:53] <superfly> which I will be attending :-D
[17:53] <nuvolari> which I want to organize if it's OK
[17:53] <kbmonkey> my calcurse shows 2 June is our Ubuntu hour. we still need to decide where.
[17:53] <nuvolari> The fly is attending
[17:53] <nuvolari> :P
[17:53] <kbmonkey> awesome
[17:54] <nuvolari> hmm, Umhlanga or Ballito?
[17:54] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, contact me if you need any help organizing or infos
[17:54] <nuvolari> okidokie thanks kbmonkey 
[17:54] <queery> would 27th be to quick to do a release party in jhb
[17:54] <queery> well gauteng
[17:55] <SmilyBorg> nuvolari: just let me know when and where and I'll do some advertising via the DBN-LUG sites
[17:56] <kbmonkey> thanks SmilyBorg :) we'll post on the mail list, if you like the details we can fwd you that too
[17:56] <kbmonkey> the Ubuntu-ZA list*
[17:56] <SmilyBorg> sweet
[17:56] <nuvolari> awesome, thanks SmilyBorg 
[17:58] <kbmonkey> we can guess a preliminary release party date, the 4th is out, so the 11th, Sat in May ?
[17:58] <kbmonkey> this can still change
[17:58] <queery> there will be a jhb/pta one just don't know when
[17:58] <kbmonkey> oh and if anyone needs lifts in the Durban region I can help out
[17:59] <SmilyBorg> those dates are good for me
[17:59] <kbmonkey> queery, will you post to the list to get interested partyers for JHB/PTA?
[18:00] <kbmonkey> and nuvolari could handle KZN?
[18:00] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: sure
[18:00] <queery> it's already being discussed privately among the ones who will be organising, but will try
[18:00] <kbmonkey> I'll take charge of bananas and cakes
[18:01] <kbmonkey> that's fine queery, keep us updated :)
[18:01] <queery> will do
[18:01] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Organize release parties for each region (nuvolari & queery)
[18:01] <Maaz> Agreed: Organize release parties for each region (nuvolari & queery)
[18:02] <Kilos> where are the cape guys
[18:03] <kbmonkey> the Ubuntu hour is before the next irc meet, I'll put it in the agenda for completeness.
[18:03] <Trixar_za> I'm in the cape
[18:03] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: will find out from DLUG when most people will be available
[18:03] <Kilos> superfly: you all alone there
[18:03] <Trixar_za> There used to be more of us. I think the rest of them may have killed the rest off
[18:03] <superfly> Kilos: HawkiesZA is now down here with me, I'll drag him along to whatever I go to :-P
[18:03] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Ubuntu hour KZN possibly on the 11th May
[18:03] <Kilos> they used to lead the party and UH things
[18:03] <Maaz> Agreed: Ubuntu hour KZN possibly on the 11th May
[18:03] <Kilos> cool superfly 
[18:04] <Kilos> methinks maia gotta start sorting things out there
[18:04] <Kilos> she's too scarce nowadyays
[18:05] <kbmonkey> let's get interested people during the next week, then throw out dates and see who's compatible.
[18:05] <Kilos> nowadays too
[18:06] <kbmonkey> it may be a good idea to post the minutes summary on the G+ page
[18:06] <Kilos> hey Vince-0 you here?
[18:06] <Kilos> just lurking
[18:06]  * kbmonkey will need to fix the car battery this week 
[18:07] <Kilos> ai!
[18:07] <kbmonkey> Okay, that is all for events I can think of our side
[18:07] <nuvolari> ack, the corporate year took its toll
[18:08] <nuvolari> we're not hardly as active as before
[18:08] <nuvolari> yeah, I'm not aware of any interesting events
[18:08] <nuvolari> oh wait
[18:08] <nuvolari> the DLUG hangout
[18:08] <nuvolari> I think it's this week
[18:08] <nuvolari> just hang on
[18:09] <kbmonkey> oh yeah, that! I'd love to actually attend one of those
[18:09] <SmilyBorg> the last dates that vince posted were for the 21st
[18:09] <SmilyBorg> though might need to move the the following thursday, making it the 25th
[18:10] <SmilyBorg> I haven't heard anything further
[18:10] <nuvolari> 8ta acting up
[18:10] <nuvolari> just hangi in there
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:10] <kbmonkey> I feel your pain nuvolari ;p
[18:11] <Kilos> and so slow here
[18:11] <kbmonkey> how about freeze-frame webcam chats for us slowers? ;)
[18:11] <nuvolari> hmm, oh, there wasn't a formal event on google+ yet
[18:11] <nuvolari> let me just find Vince-0's mail
[18:11] <SmilyBorg> not yet
[18:12] <SmilyBorg> there was just a post to the mailing list so far
[18:12] <Meesterarend> I have same here on cellc
[18:12] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, you will let us know when the next DLug hangout happens?
[18:12] <Kilos> za mobile providers are getting bad
[18:13] <Meesterarend> but then I'm using vodacom branded modem...it might make a difference
[18:13] <kbmonkey> most of them are huawei under the branding
[18:13] <nuvolari> The 21st of April is a Sunday. I may move this to the following Thursday if there are no objections. I will make the G+ event a week beforehand and check RSVPs.
[18:13] <nuvolari> Any volunteers who want to take on a subject or category will be appreciated and the notes need some work. Here are the subjects I've come across so far:
[18:13] <nuvolari> - vince
[18:14] <Kilos> hes asleep methinks
[18:14] <kbmonkey> he's at the braai
[18:14] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:14] <nuvolari> link to the topic: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/dbnlug/wJN0SCx6jDE/discussion
[18:14] <kbmonkey> okay let's keep an eye on that, thanks nuvolari :)
[18:15] <queery> sorry fell asleep
[18:15] <queery> ok im off
[18:15] <queery> gnite
[18:15] <nuvolari> o/ cheerz
[18:15] <Kilos> cheers queery 
[18:15] <kbmonkey> gn queery, get well
[18:15] <Kilos> get better
[18:15] <inetpro> sorry that I am late
[18:15] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:15] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[18:15] <Kilos> wb inetpro 
[18:15] <queery> thanx
[18:15] <kbmonkey> wb inetpro.
[18:16] <kbmonkey> fyi the meeting minutes are at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/560/detail/
[18:16] <nuvolari> oh hi inetpro 
[18:16] <Kilos> inetpro: where is maias topic
[18:17] <Kilos> hope we didnt miss it
[18:17] <kbmonkey> for the DLug hangouts, join the community page and you should get notified...
[18:17] <kbmonkey> https://plus.google.com/communities/113353161612042062131
[18:17] <kbmonkey> just in case anybody is watching us ;)
[18:17] <Vince-0> had to put out a small fire
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: it's still there at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/560/detail/
[18:18] <Kilos> you braai in the veld Vince-0 ?
[18:18] <kbmonkey> save us some braai mielies!
[18:18] <Kilos> inetpro: maia cant make it so its your baby to sort
[18:19] <nuvolari> :-/ craving sosatie
[18:19] <Vince-0> in the bos
[18:19] <Kilos> lol
[18:19]  * Kilos waits for ai!
[18:19] <kbmonkey> okay, back on track.. we discussed events, anyone wants to add anything before I move on...
[18:20] <Kilos> aw magespawn not here even
[18:20] <Vince-0> teched is coming up lol
[18:20] <kbmonkey> inetpro, Vince-0, we decided to plan kzn ubuntu hour and release party, and jhb/pta too
[18:20] <Vince-0> kbmonkey: done
[18:21] <kbmonkey> when is teched and how much is entrance? it's been a few years since I went
[18:21] <kbmonkey> that was rhetorical ;)
[18:22] <Vince-0> meh, site is metro style - R6k 
[18:22] <kbmonkey> the most fun thing at teched is bluescreening their workstations
[18:22] <Vince-0> 16- 19 april but that price is a nogo
[18:23] <kbmonkey> I'd go to a Linuxed
[18:23] <kbmonkey> hey that name works well
[18:24] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Ubuntu+1 development status and community feedback
[18:24] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu+1 development status and community feedback
[18:24] <kbmonkey> so I hear there is not going to be CD's distributed 
[18:25] <SmilyBorg> not for 13.04 at least. only for LTS
[18:25] <kbmonkey> I guess it will make newcomers start with LTS mostly
[18:26] <kbmonkey> there's no mention of a release date, only April. 
[18:27] <kbmonkey> either way we can have those parties
[18:28] <kbmonkey> install parties are for sharing it 
[18:29] <kbmonkey> what is the "miscellaneous" agenda item meant for?
[18:29] <kbmonkey> that for items yet to be added? :p
[18:30] <Trixar_za> bbl
[18:31] <Cantide> Maaz: I am Karl Wortmann
[18:31] <Maaz> Cantide: Sure
[18:31] <Cantide> 'o'
[18:31] <Cantide> I missed the meeting! T-Tv
[18:31] <kbmonkey> hello Cantide :)
[18:31] <Kilos> whew
[18:31] <kbmonkey> one more topic left Cantide 
[18:32] <Cantide> hello :)
[18:32] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Ubuntu diversity postcards
[18:32] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu diversity postcards
[18:32] <Kilos> thats the one
[18:32] <kbmonkey> for this one see http://philipballew.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/showcase-the-diversity-of-the-ubuntu-community
[18:32] <inetpro> kbmonkey: miscellaneous is anything else worth mentioning
[18:33] <kbmonkey> inetpro, like waffles? waffles are certainly worth mentioning.
[18:33] <nuvolari> lol
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <inetpro> kbmonkey: I had dinner thank you :-)
[18:34]  * Cantide should send a postcard
[18:34] <superfly> we had waffles the other night
[18:35] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, for our UH we can get some postcards sorted too, like an activity
[18:36] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ooh, that's an idea!
[18:36] <Kilos> charl: go look so you know what to do
[18:36] <nuvolari> what about 'realtime production'
[18:36] <nuvolari> taking photo's at the event and edit them right there into something usable
[18:36] <kbmonkey> it says a postcard of a picture where we live. if possible we can snap a photo of us in a scenic setting
[18:36] <nuvolari> social editing
[18:37] <nuvolari> oh
[18:37] <inetpro> btw, nuvolari hasn't figured how to copy and paste in ubuntu?
[18:37] <kbmonkey> failing that just preprinted ones will do
[18:37] <nuvolari> inetpro: eh?
[18:37] <kbmonkey> good idea nuvolari 
[18:38] <kbmonkey> let's GIMP Tux in with us in the photo
[18:38] <nuvolari> green screen and all :P
[18:38] <inetpro> nuvolari: it's as easy as double-click on a word like administrativia to copy and then middle-click to paste
[18:39] <Kilos> lol told you
[18:39] <nuvolari> inetpro: I'm sure it's quicker to type than navigating a mouse
[18:39]  * nuvolari is quite anti-mouse
[18:39] <nuvolari> :P
[18:39] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:39]  * inetpro forgot that he might be using cli only
[18:40] <inetpro> but even with the cli only it can be done with gnu screen
[18:40] <Kilos> administrativia is a terrible word
[18:40] <nuvolari> people spit fire at me for not using a mouse that often
[18:40] <Cantide> my hand gets sore if i use a mouse to much
[18:40] <kbmonkey> okay lets finish off the meeting then we can debate the better qualities of keyboard navigation :]
[18:40] <Cantide> can't say the same for a keyboard '-'
[18:40] <nuvolari> +1 
[18:40] <inetpro> sorry kbmonkey :-)
[18:40] <Cantide> too much *
[18:41] <nuvolari> it's debatable, but you can navigate several times faster using the keyboard and using shortcuts
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Send postcards to the Ubuntu diversity project
[18:41] <Maaz> Agreed: Send postcards to the Ubuntu diversity project
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:41] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:42] <nuvolari> I'll be around
[18:42] <kbmonkey> Can I ask you nuvolari to chair?
[18:42] <nuvolari> if nothing happens to me
[18:42]  * inetpro trying to catch up 
[18:42] <nuvolari> sure kbmonkey 
[18:42] <Kilos> we accept nuvolari  but that dont mean you stay away again kbmonkey 
[18:42] <kbmonkey> I'll be around, I'd just like to swap out the roles a little
[18:43] <kbmonkey> :))
[18:43] <Kilos> hehe
[18:43] <nuvolari> what he actually means is that he's tired of this business :P
[18:43] <Kilos> ty for a good job kbmonkey 
[18:43] <kbmonkey> out of interest, anyone else ever thought to give the chair a try?
[18:43] <Vince-0> me, 
[18:43] <kbmonkey> think it's a good way to build interest
[18:44] <Vince-0> yar, need commands list
[18:44] <kbmonkey> you can /msg maaz help
[18:44] <nuvolari> vince is a hosting-guru
[18:44] <kbmonkey> or /msg maaz help meet
[18:44] <Vince-0> I have a radio personality/face
[18:45] <nuvolari> agreed! doing it pretty well :D
[18:45]  * nuvolari only sits around and tries to look pretty
[18:45] <Kilos> so decide already
[18:45] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:45] <inetpro> +1 for Vince-0 as chair
[18:45] <nuvolari> +1
[18:46] <Cantide> "1
[18:46] <Vince-0> k
[18:46] <Cantide> err, +1
[18:46] <Kilos> yeah if there no fires in the area
[18:46] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, what do you say? we'll be around for backup if you need
[18:46] <nuvolari> lol
[18:46] <Vince-0> still, Maaz doesn't know what I'm talking about
[18:46] <inetpro> anyone else?
[18:46] <nuvolari> oh, and someone needs to give Vince-0 meeting rights with maaz
[18:46] <nuvolari> not sure who to ask
[18:46] <Vince-0> done deal
[18:47] <Vince-0> man Maaz
[18:47] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:47] <inetpro> yikes, my lag is >30s
[18:47] <kbmonkey> I'm sure we can get Maaz obedient in a month
[18:47] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Vince-0 to chair the next meeting
[18:47] <Maaz> Agreed: Vince-0 to chair the next meeting
[18:48] <nuvolari> Maaz's meeting documentation is not coming up
[18:48] <kbmonkey> if something comes up Vince-0 let us know, no problem
[18:48] <Kilos> dont be late Vince-0 
[18:48] <Vince-0> K
[18:48] <Kilos> nearly said vinnie
[18:48] <Kilos> hehe
[18:48] <kbmonkey> I think its about time Kilos tries it too some time ;)
[18:48] <Kilos> nope
[18:48] <Meesterarend> mmm
[18:49] <kbmonkey> okay I'll end off by saying the next meeting is on 20 May 2013
[18:49] <kbmonkey> thanks everyone, it was a blast
[18:49] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[18:49] <nuvolari> thanks kbmonkey for running the meeting!
[18:49] <inetpro> kbmonkey: thanks
[18:49] <Kilos> bit overtime but anyway
[18:50] <kbmonkey> 80 mins
[18:50] <kbmonkey> let's blame the lag
[18:50] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[18:50] <Kilos> hehe
[18:50] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:50] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-04-15-17-33-52.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-04-15-17-33-52.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-04-15-17-33-52.html
[18:50] <kbmonkey> Maaz, help meet
[18:50] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[18:50] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[18:50] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[18:50] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[18:50] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[18:50] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[18:50] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[18:51] <kbmonkey> I can't recall who set Maaz up... will find out
[18:51] <Kilos> the crash kid
[18:51] <superfly> anyone else heard of GoMetro?
[18:51] <kbmonkey> so nuvolari I setup i3wm and must say it's too awesome
[18:51] <kbmonkey> it handles dialogue boxes and notifications beautifully
[18:52] <inetpro> my 8ta is absolutely horrible today
[18:52] <nuvolari> ooh, maybe I should try that some time
[18:52] <nuvolari> xmonad handled dialogs terribly 
[18:52] <Kilos> yip here too inetpro 
[18:52] <nuvolari> my 8ta is not horrible, but there were better days
[18:52]  * nuvolari googles GoMetro
[18:52] <Kilos> for coupla weeks now
[18:52] <kbmonkey> yeah, and snapwm also kept crashing my wm. no problems yet after a week
[18:53] <kbmonkey> you can tell it to open certain windows on specific desktops automatically
[18:53] <kbmonkey> and it includes sexy i3lock
[18:53] <nuvolari> Warning: fopen(http://41.160.59.42/METROGPP/KZNLIN.PGM) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found in /metrogp/html/router.php on line 24
[18:54] <nuvolari> hmm, I got used to normal windowed windows again
[18:54] <nuvolari> xfce :P
[18:55] <nuvolari> and xscreensaver does what I need :P I don't feel like fiddling too much these days
[18:57] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, are you a part of the UbuntuZA launchpad team?
[18:57] <Vince-0> I think so
[18:57]  * Vince-0 checks
[18:59] <Vince-0> negative, kbmonkey
[18:59] <kbmonkey> hmm, don't see your name in the selection for meeting chair. 
[18:59] <Vince-0> registering now
[18:59] <kbmonkey> I just selected myself for now
[19:00]  * Vince-0 is inbetween tasks
[19:00] <kbmonkey> np, you can sort that out at a later time :)
[19:01] <Kilos> nice to see you here again smiley
[19:01] <kbmonkey> yes SmilyBorg :]
[19:01] <SmilyBorg> :-)
[19:01] <Kilos> SmilyBorg 
[19:01] <Kilos> whew
[19:02] <Vince-0> hi!
[19:02] <Vince-0> whoot: http://ubuntu-za.org/users/vince-0
[19:02] <kbmonkey> hoorah
[19:04] <Kilos> how come it aint got that ~ in front
[19:04] <nuvolari> superfly: need a proxy? http://41.160.59.42/METROGP/html/router.php?pgm=http://google.com/ :P
[19:06] <kbmonkey> man this agenda editor is lacking
[19:07] <SmilyBorg> I'm off to bed
[19:07] <Kilos> night SmilyBorg sleep tight
[19:07] <SmilyBorg> needs my beauty sleeps
[19:07] <Kilos> hehe me too
[19:08] <SmilyBorg> night
[19:08] <superfly> nuvolari: I'm "beta" testing their GoMetro 2.0
[19:08] <superfly> it's more like a very bad alpha
[19:11] <kbmonkey> I wonder if I can sync my calcurse with GCalendar. *googles*
[19:12] <Cantide> good night 'o'
[19:12] <kbmonkey> ciao ciao Cantide
[19:13] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: calcurse, ncurses calendar??
[19:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:13] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos 
[19:14] <Kilos> see youall tomorrow
[19:14] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos 
[19:14] <kbmonkey> yes nuvolari, indeed :)
[19:15] <kbmonkey> you can symlink the calcurse file to the cloud between machines. but a google calender sync would be nice. probably could do something with https://code.google.com/p/googlecl/
[19:17] <kbmonkey> so I was stuck the weekend for the car battery failure, and spent some time on MilkyTracker. it's quite addictive
[19:18] <kbmonkey> you know you can make a song in 25KB? amazing.
[19:23] <superfly> I did that way back when
[19:25] <kbmonkey> I still have a song of yours superfly, eternal joy. what was that one made it?
[19:26] <superfly> no, that was made using FL studio
[19:27] <superfly> just pm'ed you 2 songs I made using Impulse Tracker, I think
[19:27] <kbmonkey> thanks :)
[19:29] <superfly> I have a bunch more, but I didn't want to totally embarrass myself on SoundCloud
[19:30] <magespawn> evening all
[19:30] <kbmonkey> lol. I embarrassed myself on my domain ;P
[19:30] <superfly> hey magespawn
[19:30] <kbmonkey> noise.darknet.co.za
[19:30] <kbmonkey> old stuff using Psycle
[19:30] <kbmonkey> hello magespawn 
[19:42] <charl> nn all
[20:24] <magespawn> how was the meeting
[20:24] <magespawn> ?
[20:30] <Vince-0> K
[20:30] <Vince-0> from kbmonkey: AGREED: Organize release parties for each region 
[20:30] <Vince-0> AGREED: Ubuntu hour KZN possibly on the 11th May (TBA)
[20:30] <Vince-0> AGREED: Send postcards to the Ubuntu diversity project
[20:35] <magespawn> kind of meant in a general way
[20:35] <magespawn> buy ty
[20:47] <Vince-0> arr
[20:47] <Vince-0> I am a pirate 'cos a pirate is free
[20:48]  * Vince-0 has Alestorm playing
[20:48] <Vince-0> anyways, I was inbetween a few things during - now I'm chair for next meet
[20:48] <magespawn> cool beans
[20:48] <Vince-0> aand now its time for beds 
[20:48]  * Vince-0 bows out
[20:49] <magespawn> do what you want 'cause a pirate is free
[20:50] <magespawn> good night all
[21:10] <trender> eish
[21:10] <trender> night mage
[21:14] <trender> maaz: ?
[21:14] <Maaz> trender: Sorry...
[21:14] <trender> ok then
[21:15] <trender> maaz: hello
[21:15]  * Maaz waves to trender
[21:15] <trender> maaz: help
[21:15] <Maaz> trender: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[21:15] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[21:16] <trender> maaz: help me with washing the dishes
[21:16] <Maaz> trender: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[21:17] <trender> maaz: help me with delivering messages
[21:17] <Maaz> trender: I use the following features for delivering messages: memo and summon
[21:17] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[21:18] <trender> maaz: how do i use memo
[21:18] <Maaz> trender: Keeps messages for people. You can use it like this:
[21:18] <Maaz>   my messages
[21:18] <Maaz>   message <number>
[21:18] <Maaz>   my messages for <person> [on <source>]
[21:18] <Maaz>   (tell|pm|privmsg|msg|ask) <person> [on <source>] <message>
[21:18] <Maaz>   forget my (first|last|<n>th) message for <person> [on <source>]
[21:18] <trender> maaz: how do i use summon
[21:19] <Maaz> trender: Get the attention of a person via different source. You can use it like this:
[21:19] <Maaz>   summon <person> [via <source>]
[21:19] <trender> hrm...cute bot