[05:48] <soee> good morning
[07:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hm?
[07:59] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: konversation doesn't anymore
[08:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: about message-indicator suppport ... the patch set was never upstreamed so it got dropped
[08:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not likely 
[08:30] <apachelogger> what happened was that I tried to install $packages, so it happily started downloading and even install (?) and then it explodes because it could not resolve dep from lang-pack-fr to lang-pack-fr-base because lang-pack-fr-base 404'd because the cached url was outdated
[08:30] <apachelogger> i.e. apt-get check reports dep breakage
[08:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: perhaps you still have the lock in the worker when we get the error in the kcm?
[08:32] <apachelogger> reload would cause trouble then I guess
[08:36] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/16/plasma-desktopcl7932.png
[08:36] <apachelogger> moar untranslated strings :S
[08:38] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, :S
[08:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: good news, polkit and sudo apps both are fixed by setting LANG
[08:40] <apachelogger> alas I am still not sure about how to best map from wha tthe kcm knows to what we need for LANG
[08:40] <apachelogger> why rekonq has a stray untranslated 'Open' in the menu is beyond me btw
[08:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh? how did that happen?
[08:41] <apachelogger> I looked at the code and it all seemed to be in order, actually it uses kcfg there so there it's not like one could accidentially break localization
[08:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/N62xNEvC
[08:42] <apachelogger> well, it's not a stray entry it's just not translated amongst many translated entries ^^
[08:42] <Riddell> I'd think Open comes from a kstdaction no?
[08:42] <apachelogger> nope it's declared in the rekonqui.rc 
[08:42] <apachelogger> with string
[08:44] <apachelogger> that being said, Open is in the kdelibs pot, so technically it should fall back to that which either is not working because the kdelibs Open has no accelerator set or it is at a different position or l10n is simply turned off somehow
[08:44] <apachelogger> oh
[08:44] <apachelogger> it's apparently latter
[08:45] <apachelogger> msgid "&Tools"
[08:45] <apachelogger> msgstr "E&xtras"
[08:45] <apachelogger> screenshot says Tools though
[08:49] <apachelogger> QDomDocument document("rekonqui.rc");
[08:49]  * apachelogger looks at Riddell
[09:25] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: ping
[09:28] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: hi
[09:31] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: heya, when using a library that requires i18n, the library user is meant to insertCatalog, right?
[09:32] <xnox> i was building QtGui but not installing it, lol.
[09:32] <tsdgeos> modern solution is to use KCatalogLoader in your library
[09:32] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: thanks
[09:33] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: oh that is one fancy feature, feels like we are in the future :D
[09:34] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:34] <tsdgeos> note it only works for dynamic libs, not static
[09:34] <tsdgeos> but i guess you're not evil static doer
[09:34] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:59] <apachelogger> kde rev 1347319.
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[10:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger: don't hm me
[10:53] <Quintasan> 1) people are whining about dragon
[10:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hm?
[10:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: why are we not using language-selector anymore btw?
[10:54] <apachelogger> other than being badly integrated with the rest of the workspace
[10:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so?
[10:54] <Quintasan> 2) I remember you saying our VLC packages are bad, care to explain?
[10:54] <apachelogger> which reminds me
[10:55] <Quintasan> I'm asking because some people recently had mkv files freezing their PC (again)
[10:55] <Quintasan> using VLC of course
[10:55] <apachelogger> send them to #videolan?
[10:57] <Quintasan> mmkay
[10:57] <Quintasan> I had something else to ask but I forgot what was that
[11:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: language-selector was going to be unmaintained
[11:09] <yofel__> wasn't the original reason language-selector moving to py3?
[11:10] <Riddell> that too
[11:15] <Riddell> "Michał Zając (quintasan) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay Quintasan still loves us!
[11:16] <Quintasan> Like hell I would leave for no important reason
[11:18] <yofel__> apachelogger: if you're already looking at l10n, could you take a quick glance on bug 1168682? Supposedly fixed in git
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, if Quintasan doesn't love us I would report a critical bug.
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Against the Kubuntu project:P
[11:18] <yofel__> there is no such thing as a kubuntu project ^^ (at least not on lunchpad)
[11:19] <smartboyhw> yofel__: Boo
[11:19] <smartboyhw> Probably send an e-mail to Kubuntu Devel mailing list then?
[11:19] <smartboyhw> (LOL)
[11:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:20] <yofel__> smartboyhw: there never was a need for it so far...
[11:21] <smartboyhw> yofel__: Kidding.
[11:21]  * smartboyhw thinks yofel__ shouldn't think of smartboyhw serious in these matters:P
[11:22] <yofel__> *sigh*
[11:22] <yofel__> you had a too high dose of apachelogger obviously
[11:22] <smartboyhw> yofel__: I don't know apachelogger is a liquid:O
[11:22]  * smartboyhw runs
[11:23] <yofel__> it's liquified ingenuity :P
[11:23] <smartboyhw> yofel__: LOL
[11:28] <apachelogger> yofel__: lol, why do you think a fix magically appeared two days ago? :P
[11:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we can actually drop our patch to startkde
[11:29] <apachelogger> the kcm makes me think that klocale now correctly defaults to the system country when nothing is set
[11:29] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/16/plasma-desktopD24786.png
[11:30] <brestows> темная сторона во всей красе :-D
[11:30] <smartboyhw> !ru | brestows 
[11:30] <smartboyhw> .....
[11:32]  * yofel__ hugs apachelogger 
[11:35] <BluesKaj> wish i could get rid of stuff like akonadi , especially updates like akonadi-facebook ..toyally useless to me
[11:36] <BluesKaj> totally
[11:36] <BluesKaj> waste of space
[11:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you will sort of like http://smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw/?p=49
[11:48] <Riddell> smartboyhw: cool!
[11:51] <soee> hiho
[11:52] <soee> after trying to install latest nvidia drivers @ my home PC 
[11:52] <soee> my x server won't start anymore :/
[11:53] <soee> i spent 2 hours trying to fix this, removing nvidia, reinstalling nuovau driver etc
[11:54] <soee> and the best i could get was loading screen (hdd icon shows, settings icon shows) and than bah - black screen with some complains about intel stuff, kernel stuff etc :0
[11:55] <soee> never seen thah before and whats more, after restart some strange things happens in bios, 
[11:55] <soee> i have message Waiting for M ... something and counter 9 .8. .. 0 and ... reboot oO
[11:56] <soee> and this time grup gets loaded but the same happens as i said at the begining
[11:56] <BluesKaj> soee, latest nvidia drivers are suspect on some cards
[11:57] <soee> uhm
[11:57] <BluesKaj> and so is jockey , fails to install properly 
[11:58] <soee> BluesKaj, yes i had problems with installing any drivers
[11:58] <soee> and the jokey message each time
[11:59] <BluesKaj> soee, did you try nvidia-current driver ? It seems to be the most stable driver so far , for my setup anyway
[12:00] <soee> BluesKaj, yes i even tried it install from terminal but after reboot i had only white underscore pulsing on black screen
[12:01] <soee> BluesKaj, and trying to install it from Drivers window results with jokey error
[12:02] <BluesKaj> so have you updated/upgraded lately 
[12:02] <BluesKaj> soee,^
[12:31] <yofel__> smartboyhw: nice, a better testdrive is always great!
[12:31] <smartboyhw> yofel__ ;)
[12:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have a working patch for kcm_locale + LANG ... sets LANG and LANGUAGE in ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh which seems to work fin
[12:51] <apachelogger> e
[12:52] <Riddell> cool!
[13:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/725600/
[13:04] <apachelogger> in case you want to test it
[13:05] <apachelogger> I am out for today; will push that patch tomorrow
[13:05] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: Akonadi is essential part of KDEPIM, we can't just get rid of it, as for the Facebook part, you can just remove it I think
[13:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that's what microsoft said
[13:10] <Quintasan> wat
[13:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Since when Microsoft has to do anything with Akonadi?
[13:11] <yofel__> IE?
[13:12] <Quintasan> How is IE related to Akonadi?
[13:12] <Riddell> he is making a satirical comment on "you can just remove it"
[13:12] <Riddell> which is what MS said about IE
[13:12] <yofel__> BluesKaj, Quintasan : FWIW: https://blogs.kde.org/2013/04/11/hackweek9-lightweight-kde-desktop-project-updated
[13:13] <Quintasan> >kan't fit
[13:13] <Quintasan> OH ALL THE K'S
[13:14] <Quintasan> >Lennart Pöttering about the systemd
[13:14] <Quintasan> I can see where is this heading
[13:14] <Quintasan> :D
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Quintasan, I'm considering ubuntu minimal, then installing the the kde-plasma-desktop and some required gtklibs for stuff like synaptic etc
[13:15] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: Feel free to do so. I can't really offer you any solution to that.
[13:15] <yofel__> I personally don't let the disk space argument count when it comes to akonadi and nepomuk. The runtime files themselves are so small that it's not worth to worry about it
[13:16] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: As for the akonadi-facebook and Akonadi being useless -> http://xkcd.com/1172/
[13:16] <yofel__> removing kdepim is another thing
[13:16] <Riddell> ScottK: did you say something a while ago about the tech board being sympathetic to owncloud being updated including built in php modules?
[13:16] <Quintasan> removing kdepim? -> http://xkcd.com/1172/
[13:16] <yofel__> heh
[13:18] <BluesKaj> yofel__, kdepim is what I'm trying to avoid
[13:21] <yofel__> BluesKaj: we're trying to provide an OOTB usable system so removability of kdepim is no priortiy feature. If you can find exactly what prevents it from being removed I could take a look at it.
[13:21] <yofel__> akonadi isn't really designed to be removed - at least not right now
[14:31] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion lightdm-kde 0.3.2
[14:32] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1169596
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you mean for S-series?
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Or R?
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Gee R
[14:38] <smartboyhw> I mean the lightdm-kde update
[14:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it would be good for r but it seems to have a bug
[14:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: can you confirm the kcm is broken? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm-kde-greeter_0.3.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh wait
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what module are you using when the KCM is proved not working?
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Ah kcm_lightdm
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, great doesn't work for me too
[14:46] <Riddell> at least it's consistent :)
[14:47] <smartboyhw> ROFL
[15:25] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion homerun 0.2.2
[15:25] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1169616
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Tomorrow probably:P
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Hey jalcine! How's SII?
[15:39] <Riddell> what's SII?
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Synthetic Intellect Institute. Some sort of organization (open-source) that works on A.I.
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Hmm where's murthy these days?
[16:01] <yofel> last I heard he was having exams (IIRC)
[16:01] <smartboyhw> yofel: Oh that's why.
[16:04] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:06] <smartboyhw> shade
[16:07] <smartboyhw> s/shade/shadeslayer, how many times have you said "heh" in here?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> there's a history behind the 'heh'
[16:07] <shadeslayer> you probably don't know about it :P
[16:08]  * smartboyhw listens to shadeslayer
[16:08] <shadeslayer> that's what I said for the past 3 years when I had exams
[16:08] <smartboyhw> :O
[16:08] <shadeslayer> "I'm unavailable, because, exams"
[16:08] <shadeslayer> and I had exams every week
[16:09] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: I will do that also from mid-May to mid-June...
[16:09] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[16:09] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: exams EVERY WEEK!?
[16:09] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:09] <smartboyhw> :O
[16:09] <smartboyhw> I have bunch of tests every week:P
[16:09] <shadeslayer> thats university
[16:10] <shadeslayer> for eg. I rarely see Quintasan around now :P
[16:10] <shadeslayer> reason? University :P
[16:10] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: yeah
[16:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: I'm in secondary 3 and I got loads of tests.
[16:13] <shadeslayer> pft
[16:13] <shadeslayer> School barely has any tests at all
[16:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: does Plasma Active + Kubuntu work on the N7?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> i.e. just flashing ubuntu-touch and then installing kde packages
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it installs and runs but I couldn't get any touch to work with qml
[16:16] <shadeslayer> oh wow
[16:16] <shadeslayer> it actually runs?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> because for me nothing runs when using ubuntu-touch stuff
[16:17] <shadeslayer> can't even start X
[16:17] <shadeslayer> surfaceflinger keeps interfering
[16:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: lol no
[16:20] <Quintasan> I'm just lazy
[16:20] <Quintasan> that's it
[16:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you have a nexus 7?
[16:22] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:22] <shadeslayer> just the n10 that you sent me
[16:23] <Riddell> tried the nexus images?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> I tried the ubuntu-touch images
[16:24] <shadeslayer> but now me and ChickenCutlass have been trying to get a ubuntu rootfs booting directly
[16:24] <shadeslayer> so far I have a kernel that can boot the initrd but no framebuffer, nothing on the screen except for a weird colored fastboot logo
[16:25] <shadeslayer> the ubuntu-touch team say they're planning to have a ubuntu rootfs and an android container inside of ubuntu ( the opposite of what currently happens )
[16:27] <Riddell> Blizzz: hmm my owncloud backport doesn't want to work, any idea how to debug? http://ec2-54-242-221-3.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/
[16:27]  * shadeslayer looks
[16:28] <shadeslayer> what's not working?
[16:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: if I make an account it juts gives me a blank page
[16:28] <Riddell> mysql is root/a
[16:28] <Riddell> go ahead and try
[16:29] <shadeslayer> username root, password is just 'a' ?
[16:29] <Riddell> yes
[16:29] <shadeslayer> I got a Http error 500 xD
[16:29] <Riddell> ah hah
[16:29] <Riddell> [Tue Apr 16 16:29:18 2013] [error] [client 123.236.48.112] PHP Fatal error:  Cannot make non static method PEAR::isError() static in class MDB2_Schema in /usr/share/owncloud/3rdparty/MDB2/Schema.php on line 2767, referer: http://ec2-54-242-221-3.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/index.php
[16:30] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:30] <Riddell> I wonder what that means
[16:31] <shadeslayer> nope, can't even start an account
[17:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: So, what happened to those business cards in the end?
[18:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: still on the todo :(
[18:41] <Quintasan> mmkay
[18:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: feel free to do it :)
[18:48] <Riddell> right, testers needed for http://ec2-54-242-221-3.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/
[18:48] <Riddell> login: a  pass: a
[18:48] <Riddell> !testers
[18:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: got it to work ?
[18:49] <yofel> got the db error fixed?
[18:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep
[18:50] <Riddell> yofel: the php error yes
[18:50] <Riddell> but that doesn't mean it's not broken somewhere else
[18:50] <lordievader> Riddell: I can login fine, but it is empty.
[18:50] <Riddell> it's not like there's a compiler to check with these things
[18:50] <Riddell> lordievader: so upload some music :)
[18:51]  * Riddell uploads Valley of the Sausages
[18:51] <Riddell> it's a classic
[18:51] <shadeslayer> does owncloud have a hard dep on Apache BTW ?
[18:51] <lordievader> I'll upload some of my own music ;) Full-rights and all :)
[18:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm dunno, hard dep on php obviously
[18:52] <Riddell> what other web server is there?
[18:52] <yofel> seems to work?
[18:52] <maco> nginx
[18:52] <maco> lighttpd
[18:52] <shadeslayer> lighttpd
[18:52] <Riddell> does it work with php?
[18:52] <maco> any web server should work with php
[18:53] <shadeslayer> that's what I use for glaedr.dyndns.org/own cloud
[18:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: lighttpd?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:53] <lordievader> Riddell: The mp3's don't show up in the music tab, not even after rescanning.
[18:54] <lordievader> Ah nvm, I can't look anymore -.-
[18:54] <shadeslayer> Apache takes up too much memory 
[18:54] <maco> my server used to have trouble with apache using so much memory my mysql would be OOM killed
[18:54] <maco> which is why i dont use apache anymore
[18:54] <lordievader> Hmm doesn't play the mp3's though...
[18:54] <Riddell> lordievader: works for me
[18:54] <shadeslayer> he he he
[18:54] <Riddell> is that you singing?
[18:54] <yofel> well, the default apache config is overkill for most situations
[18:54] <shadeslayer> maco: same issue 
[18:55] <yofel> you can make it use a bit less resources
[18:55] <yofel> (no, you don't need 5 instances to start out with)
[18:55] <lordievader> Riddell: Yes, can there only be one user streaming music?
[18:55] <shadeslayer> maco: I use lighttpd + MySQL now
[18:55] <maco> shadeslayer: im on nginx
[18:55]  * yofel is on apache + pqsql
[18:55] <Riddell> lordievader: maybe but I don't see why
[18:55] <shadeslayer> lower mem consumption ?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> I only have 256 mb
[18:56] <lordievader> Ah it is Chrome related, FF works.
[18:56] <yofel> nginx is pretty low on resource usage
[18:56] <shadeslayer> wow typing on an android tablet is so hard :/
[18:56]  * skellat is responsible for ARM board shots uploaded
[18:57] <shadeslayer> I have to use both my hands :-( 
[19:01] <lordievader> To me the owncloud thing seems to work :)
[19:05] <Riddell> groovy thanks lordievader 
[19:06] <shadeslayer> likewise
[19:06] <Riddell> skellat: what's that?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> looks like a beagle board
[19:08] <skellat> Riddell: Which?  BeagleBoard-xM, BeagleBoard-xM with SheevaPlug, and BeagleBoard-xM with Raspberry Pi Model B
[19:08] <skellat> Sadly the SheevaPlug is rather quite bricked
[19:09] <lordievader> Riddell: No problem ;)
[19:10] <shadeslayer> OK I am off to sleep
[19:11] <shadeslayer> night everyone :-) 
[19:11] <lordievader> Sleep well, shadeslayer 
[19:42] <ovidiu-florin> I have my env set up according to the techbase tutorial on building a single application. I have this script: http://paste.kde.org/725678/ . When I make && make install on kdepim, the install failes because it tries to copy to /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.kalarmrtcwake.policy . How can I set up my enviroment so that file is installed in my dev env and not in my system?
[19:44] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: set CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX
[19:44] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: set it to the dev home dir or the install dir?
[19:45] <Riddell> to whereve you want to install the files
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I used this cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$KDE_DEVELOPMENT_PATH -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull ../../src/kdepim/
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> is this not good?
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> I did this as instructed on the techbase website
[19:48] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: looks good
[19:48] <ovidiu-florin> then why does it try to copy org.kde.kalarmtcwake.policy to /usr/share/...
[19:48] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[19:49] <Riddell> probably there's some other variable needing set
[19:49] <Riddell> use ccmake to find out what
[19:50]  * ovidiu-florin googles ccmake
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: should I just run the same command but using ccmake?
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> instead of cmake
[19:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ccmake ../../src/kdepim/
[19:57] <ovidiu-florin> without specifing those params?
[19:58] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: try it
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> KDE4_AUTH_POLICY_FILES_INSTALL has that location. I could set it to a custom value, but do I have to create a custom /usr/share/polkit-1/actions in my dev env?
[20:06] <Riddell> now that I've no idea
[20:06] <Riddell> depends where polkit looks I guess
[20:07] <Riddell> it probably only looks in /usr/share/polkit-1/
[20:07] <Riddell> more owncloud testage needed
[20:07] <Riddell> !testers
[20:07] <Riddell> http://ec2-54-224-200-200.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/
[20:31] <lordievader> Riddell: Music playback in Chromium is still broken for the Owncloud. Not sure if this is a Chromium issue or an Owncloud issue.
[20:31] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1079150 updated
[20:31] <yofel> Riddell: what's there to test this time?
[20:31] <Riddell> yofel: that it all works on oneiric http://ec2-54-224-200-200.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/
[20:32] <Riddell> yofel: you can also mark it on bug 1079150 I suppose (although it'll need tested again if it gets into -proposed)
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I tried setting the variable to my dev path to the dirs I've created, and it still tries to copy the file to /usr/share/.... instead of the dev env
[21:19] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion lightdm-kde 0.3.2.1
[21:19] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1169732