[00:00] which is further puzzling me [00:00] backports perhaps [00:00] probably [00:00] which could also have newer version of everything else [00:01] linux-image-generic-lts-quantal [00:01] precise-updates (metapackages): Generic Linux kernel image [00:01] 3.5.0.27.34: amd64 i386 [00:02] yup [00:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711831/ [00:03] worth a punt as it doesn't pull in much [00:08] right, reboot into it [00:23] bah [07:23] morning [07:54] hello all [07:55] morning. [07:55] Good morning peeps :) [07:56] Face healing quite quickly: https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/status/324068518326853632/photo/1 :-) [07:56] Still hurting? [07:56] Yep. [07:56] Esp. the nose. [07:57] I've broken my nose twice. It's not fun. Esp having it re-set... [07:57] Not sure if this is busted or not. Don't think so, but it aches a lot. [07:58] Mine has a kink in it because it wasn't fixed the 1st time it was broken [07:58] Not as good looking as Stephen Fry's though [08:01] Worth a trip to ENT? [08:03] I wonder if kids these days that end up going to an ENT clinic think that they are going to see Tree Beard [08:05] I was going to pop in a see my doc this morning but there was a big queue and I don't feel *that* unwell. Also can't be bothered to wait such a long time to see him. Will probably catch him in the pub tonight anyway ;-) [08:08] Ha [08:13] aloha [08:14] if nose is broken you need to have it reset sooner rather than later as it is then harder and sorer to reset [08:14] TheOpenSourcerer: one too many smart ass comments was it :) [08:14] thanks for your understanding czajkowski [08:15] remind me. What happened to the paddies in the 6 nations? Worst finish ever wasn't it? [08:17] TheOpenSourcerer: you know it was really, and now we're in the process of regrouping and getting a new manager so things work out for the best. [08:17] mind your face! [08:17] lol [08:17] Nice to have you back. Missed your demure personality [08:19] :) [08:20] in all seriousness if your nose is still twitchy and sore do get it checked out [08:22] I have some doors that need closing if you want to use your face TheOpenSourcerer [08:23] Thanks popey [08:26] :) [08:27] Ours is a caring community if nothing else [08:33] Good morning all, happy One Day Without Shoes Day! :-D [08:35] lol [08:40] one day without shoes day? [08:41] Wearing slippers to the office is a daily luxury [08:43] I should do that [08:44] Hightops are not conducive to pleasant feet [08:44] on freenode and ircnet, when you choose a channel name nobody has chosen before, does that in effect, create the channel? [08:47] mungbean: yes but it doesn't register it (on freenode). IRCnet has no concept of registration [08:47] It's nice to see people still using IRCnet now and then ;) [08:48] JamesTait: I'm lucky if I actually wear shoes [08:49] czajkowski, but that's by choice, right? [08:49] oh indeed [08:49] come summer time (lol) I'm in flip flops :) [08:49] rarely wear socks in the winter also [08:49] Phew, for a minute there I thought Canonical were forcing you to work for nothing! [08:50] * JamesTait gets out the slave whip. [08:50] The chickens steal the shoes [08:51] bigcalm: our it dept use ircnet for discussion [08:51] czajkowski, I wear shoes a lot more now than I ever did at my old house. Not sure why, this house retains the heat better. [08:51] its mainly offopic nowadays tho [08:53] does anyone think it's a big security issue that site such as comparethemarket, etc allow you to retrieve quotes with only email address, surname and DOB? [08:53] such quotes contain a huge wealth of personal info [08:54] such as what car you have? [08:55] And which meerkats you love [08:55] simples [08:56] well, address, car details, home details and valuables, spuse name and all their details, all sorts of personal info [08:57] not sure which meerkat to choose [09:04] whooo! 13.04! [09:04] Still can't tell whether online accounts is broken or not, though :/ [09:05] there are two :( [09:05] yeah, and I don't really get what either does [09:05] but I'd heard this was fixed in 13.04 [09:06] one is more gnome/redhatish the other is more ubuntuish [09:06] haha, just logged into comparethemarket [09:06] But filing a bug requires finding out what it is that this is supposed to do and determining what it's doing that's not that [09:06] but I don't really know what they do, or how to add new ones [09:06] Server Error in '/Motor' Application. [09:07] there are two online accounts? [09:07] I don't think you are supposed to add new accounts yet [09:07] I only see one [09:07] AlanBell: they replace the "Add Account" feature of Empathy, and I think it means I can add my google calendar to the thingy in the top bar [09:07] if you install some gnomey stuff you get the other one [09:07] AlanBell: with Gnome shell you get gnome's one too [09:07] and, hilariously, though they have different icons neither really suggests which is which [09:07] yes but you can only add consumer web services that are pre-installed [09:07] yeah [09:08] nice [09:08] #blamegnome [09:08] Seems to work in Debian... [09:08] yes, this does appear to be gnome/redhat's fault [09:09] Not from here [09:09] interestingly one of them has an owncloud option [09:09] BigRedS: they wouldn't accept our patches [09:09] I have no clue which is the ubuntu one and which is the gnome one [09:09] so we had "no choice" but to make our own [09:09] okay, but why don't either configure empathy? [09:10] I think I just need to find the arsedness to work out what their points are and file some bugs [09:10] dunno about empathy [09:10] though I *know* these issues are known in canonical, so it seems even less worthwhile than normal [09:10] ah right, the one with a legal notice button is the Ubuntu one [09:11] and why do they both have the same name and icon? [09:11] they have different icons for me [09:11] sorry, different icons but neither is gnomey nor ubuntuy [09:12] so the Ubuntu one has more accounts in it, but the gnome one has the owncloud account option which is more exciting because that means things can add themselves to it [09:12] and both are 'in charge' of integrating online account thingies into the DE? [09:13] http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/online-accounts/ [09:14] Oh, that's the ubuntu one? [09:14] cool, so it's the gnome one that's obviously broken [09:14] and as such isn't getting fixed :( [09:14] yeah [09:15] ah well [09:18] "A provider plugin is a loadable .so module which subclasses the Plugin class defined in libaccount-plugin and implements the build_widget() virtual method. " [09:19] Hah. But if I log in to unity pidgin just repeatedly crashes on startup [09:20] I'm so pleased my desktop is this much better than it was four years ago [09:20] pidgin still exists? [09:20] what am I supposed to be using in 13.04? [09:21] surprisingly yes [09:21] dunno, what do you want to do? [09:22] use xmpp [09:22] oof [09:22] just ran empathy [09:22] I have five accounts, only one of which I can get to work in empathy. I couldn't get gajim to work with gnome-shell's notifications very well, but it might do unity I guess [09:22] dialog box comes up saying it cant find some random package [09:22] i alt-tab away to tell you this [09:22] yeah, Ubuntu's not the place to go for a good impression of empathy [09:22] and can't get back to it [09:22] haha [09:23] super+w to the "rescue" [09:23] "empathy-auth-client requests to install the following software package, to provide additional features: account-plugin-msn" [09:23] lol [09:23] no. [09:23] well indeed [09:23] mine doesn'ty [09:23] is it trying to read your MSN config from something else? [09:24] no idea [09:24] i never use it [09:24] yeah, but do you use msn anywhere else? [09:24] not for some while [09:24] i may have configured it in the past [09:24] nobody uses msn [09:25] Haha, and if I open gajim there's no menu bar for it [09:25] :-P [09:25] it is an ex-protocol. [09:25] but, still, what do people use for xmpp these days? [09:26] I love that joke too much, sorry [09:26] hmmm [09:26] my mouse on my desktop scrolls too fast [09:26] Bitlbee! [09:26] one nudge of the wheel leaps half way down a page [09:26] popey: you gave me flashbacks of binding mouse buttons 4 and 5 in my XF86Config [09:27] wonder if it's because my desktop has a mouse and a touchpoint attached [09:32] BigRedS, Psi+. [09:35] JamesTait: Hmm, I might give that a go. I'm trying to keep as close as possible to what I'm 'supposed' to use, though, since that seems the easiest way of avoiding broken software :) [09:36] I can't find the config for the number of virtual desktops in unity any more. Has it moved (I'm sure it used to be in ccsm's 'unity plugin')? [09:36] they are turned off by default now [09:36] what? [09:36] still, are they turn-onable? [09:37] BigRedS, I know what you mean - I stuck with Empathy for a long time for the same reason, and still run it alongside Psi+. [09:37] yeah, you can turn them on, then the number of them is in ccsm general options desktop size [09:37] But it's mostly an academic exercise now. [09:40] good morning everyone, === marcushaslam_ is now known as marcushaslam [09:43] pip pip [09:44] morning popey'ness [09:53] there, I've finally signed the ubuntu code of conduct [09:54] SuperMatt: well done ;) [09:54] \o/ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [09:59] anyone care to sign my pgp key? [10:00] errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [10:01] i hope nobody take that offer up, unless you're offering to meet them [10:01] very true, I forgot about that ;) === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [10:15] Morning all [10:15] Morning davmor2 [10:17] morning davmor2 [10:17] morning bigcalm MooDoo how's life treating you today? [10:19] Panicky. Where's a weekend when you need one? [10:20] davmor2: ok thanks, just going into town in a bit to buy a certification book, how exciting *yawn* [10:21] MooDoo: depends if the wildly exciting book leads to better quals and a nicer job then it's woop-di-doo exciting [10:21] davmor2: yes unfortunately it's windows but needs must [10:21] it's ok, I don't need my key signed! I found my old one which is already signed :D [10:24] ok just posted a message to the documentation mailing list [10:25] ... === Guest72268 is now known as KieranVertex [10:29] wow, my landlord just turned up with the police, he told them I threatened to damage the property before I leave [10:29] ... [10:29] Azelphur: what a silly thing for you to say ;) [10:30] Azelphur: that's messed up. [10:30] yea, he was totally making it up [10:30] Azelphur: he'll get done now for wasting police time [10:30] I just said as much to the police officer and he said fair enough, hung around for a discussion with us to try and keep the peace [10:30] then again [10:31] which got nowhere, the LL is standing in front of the officer saying an oven is not a fitting and not covered under the tenancy agreement [10:31] and stupid shit like that [10:31] !ohmy [10:31] Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [10:31] hi folks. [10:31] lol [10:31] hello NET||abuse [10:31] I have finally,,, finally got my act together and started trying to setup my HP micro N40L last night [10:31] but... [10:32] What's to set-up? [10:32] Azelphur: I wonder if he's thinking of another tennant [10:32] dunno [10:32] I set the ide config into ide and ahci, and in neither mode did ubuntu's intaller see the drives in the 4 disk slots or the extra drive in the caddy on the extra sata connector up top [10:33] so i couldn't config them [10:33] https://www.dropbox.com/s/yc911lwqlubzmoh/Rec_2013-04-15-%2812-16-41%29.3gp is the recording [10:33] Azelphur: so what was the outcome, can't listen to the recording [10:33] Your abuse may be recorded for training purposes [10:34] i have an external caddy with esata cable which i put into my laptop and checked the 2 disks in the 4 disk array slots and the single disk in the caddy up top and they all checked out fine, mountable readable. [10:34] MooDoo: officer suggested I take legal action [10:34] bigcalm: hehe, I abuse the net and support agents! [10:34] Azelphur: does he owe you money? [10:35] MooDoo: imo yes, he's sold me something and not provided it [10:35] it's meant to be NET::ABUSE like a perl cpan lib for abusing things, but :: aren't alowed in irc nicks [10:36] :) [10:36] anyway, back at the point :P I did also set it into raid mode and started the fakeraid config utility, it didn't see the drives.. [10:37] flashes message saying "no array configuration exists" or something like that. and when ctrl+f into the raid config utility, the 1,2,3,4 options are there, but 1. i can't see any existing LD's, there's no LD to delete, 3. i can't configure a new LD, 4. i can't remember what option 4 was :P [10:38] ok, this was at 4am last night, so upon more rested reflection, i must have something not plugged in right. I'll just have to check the sockets etc tonight. [10:38] To be honest, I can't remember how I set-up my microserver. RAID1 over 2 drives and that was it [10:39] well, all the forums say use the custom rom to enable ahci on the extra sata connector so you can have a 5th drive and use the multi extender on the esata port on the back, [10:39] i haven't looked at doing that yet though [10:40] Asking a lot from a little server [10:40] and also they say, dont use hte supplied raid on the controller, it's the fakeraid crappy sort. just use it in ahci and use lvm to do your raid. [10:40] Yep, software RAID works fine here [10:40] bigcalm: popey has a pretty comprehensive setup with his. though i'm not sure he did the custom rom bit [10:40] \o/ [10:40] i didnt do any custom rom nonsense [10:41] i have 12 disks in mine, all one giant btrfs volume [10:41] did you enable the esata on the back for the emm. extender thingy? [10:41] i dont use the built in port [10:41] because it only does single port, not PM [10:41] the usb one on the mother board then? [10:41] I added an esata card [10:41] ohhhh [10:41] i use the sata on the mobo for the boot disk in the optical bay [10:42] what's your wattage usage? [10:42] no idea [10:46] get one of the power meter plugs. [10:48] i have one [10:48] but it is not attached to that machine [11:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1169238 amuses me [11:03] Ubuntu bug 1169238 in Unity "[UIFe] BFB icon swirl should run clockwise not anti-clockwise" [Undecided,Triaged] [11:04] it kind of weirded me out [11:05] that some people attribute meaning to the rotation direction? [11:05] or that we take that on board? [11:06] that it escalated so much [11:06] yeah [11:06] i dont care ☻ [11:07] we should change the icon for online accounts to make it noticably different from gnome online accounts. I know.. how about an inverted crusifix, that won't offend anyone. [11:09] as a leftie I like it the way it is [11:09] therefore we should make it a preference [11:10] as a lazy human with scant design skills i never noticed [11:10] me neither :( [11:10] i only notice it to appreciate how it's cool that it changes colour with the background [11:10] Ubuntu is tough on preferences, and tough on the causes of preferences [11:10] haha [11:11] i like that a lot [11:11] well, all i have to say is that if you don't make it a preference i'm switching to arch [11:11] now stick THAT in your bfb and smoke it [11:12] * Laney comes slinking back [11:13] can someone screenshot the 13.04 bfb? [11:14] its not on the bug [11:14] or it looks indentical to the clockwise one [11:14] it looks like we're going doing a plughole [11:14] the swirls go the other way [11:15] Chillax people, it's a James Bond reference http://youtu.be/gkNeQdLg6Nc [11:16] it represents the rifling in a gun barrel? [11:17] AlanBell: yes, now we just need all the people for and against "gun laws" in usa to flood the bug report with comments =) [11:21] my bfb hasn't changed. THE WORLD IS ENDING [11:39] SuperMatt: eventually... for now it will just go backwards :-) [12:03] what does bfb even stand for? [12:03] big freakin' button [12:04] ah right [12:05] since installing 3.5 i've been experiencing some graphical glitches. [12:05] font corruption [13:29] anyone know of a service to manage android tablets? (remote wipe, manage, install apps?) [13:29] installable onsite is preferred [13:29] ££ is OK === indigoglow_ is now known as indigoglow [13:34] mungbean: http://www.androidlost.com/ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:12] http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/2013/04/16/music-store-discontinued-in-rhythmbox/ [15:14] .-. [15:16] bit of a climbdown [15:16] gosh, and backporting the removal too [15:17] althought the reasoning is that web store purchases -> u1 [15:17] so no need for rhythmbox if everyone has a web browser [15:17] fair enough, I have only purchased one thing through it ever so I am not too bothered either way [15:18] i used to love the banshee amazon mp3 interface [15:18] #1 Ding Dong [15:18] I suppose it makes it easier to embed the store to other players too [15:18] but didnt want mono+banshee just to download mp3 from amazon [15:18] that is quite funny, so I guess the userbase must be UK dominated [15:19] I wonder how long it usually takes Dell new products to trickle down to UK [15:20] it doesnt work like that [15:27] hello exobuzz [15:27] * popey saw https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5557985 and thought of AlanBell [15:27] exobuzz: you should make an image of ubuntu touch for the joggler ㋛ [15:29] popey: I don't think I am in the first round of boards [15:29] hi mate. [15:30] popey, i thought about it, but from what I looked, ubuntu touch doesn't look like it comes in a form where i can easily construct an image - is there x86 versions ready also ? [15:30] It doesnt use Xserver right either ? does it run on android? I know very little as you can see. [15:30] well, there's two things [15:31] Ubuntu Touch runs on top of an Android kernel [15:31] which might make things tricky actually [15:31] but Unity Next can run on a stock Linux kernel [15:31] afaik there is only EMGD driver for older android, which means we would have to run with no 3d accelleration [15:31] aah ok [15:31] http://www.iloveubuntu.net/unity-next-video-demoed-desktop-app-modern-truly-beautiful-experience [15:31] http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unitynext/ [15:32] that url was like made on fanboy url generator or something.. ;-) [15:32] will have a read thanks. [15:33] i gave my mum a joggler for her birthday. running basic xubuntu, with glslideshow to act as a photoframe (with browser/xbmc also if needed). made a little script, so the device collects emails from a specific email address, so people can email photos and they appear on her joggler. [15:33] Lovely [15:34] heh nice [15:35] i also freaked everyone out at the teaparty by going upstairs to her pc, sshing in, and making the joggler "espeak" very loudly. because I had half a bottle of bubbly, and it seemed like a funny thing at the time :) [15:36] haha [15:36] popey, so unity next is a uniform interface for all the "next" ubuntu devices that replaces current unity etc ? [15:36] yes [15:37] does it do clever things like differing layout depending on device dimensions/resolution etc ? [15:37] also - will it work with a "single touch" touchscreen ? which is one of the jogglers limitations [15:37] looks nice in the video on that link [15:38] (ive finished asking questions now.. promise ;-) ) [15:40] i wonder what i'm going to do in 2014 for a company distro [15:42] which bit doesn't work for you directhex? [15:43] I wonder if gnome shell will stop working on Ubuntu when Mir happens [15:44] AlanBell, unity has been a usability disaster for us with nontechnical users (so has shell, to be fair). and as a company with several core wayland developers, i can't start shipping mir to people [15:44] I guess shell/wayland should work still [15:44] it will work, it just won't work any better than any other distro, due to no resources being put into testing [15:45] so it will work about as well as xubuntu does now, ie it will be barely usable [15:46] popey, one of the biggest issues getting pretty stuff working nicely on the joggler is the graphics drivers - being mostly built on proprietory code. only xserver 1.9 is really properly supported (and supposedly wayland - which I haven't tested). the drivers are buggy. gnome3-shell didnt work last time i tried. nor did unity. maybe llvmpipe would give good enough performance. [15:46] unlikely [15:46] i've got at least a year to make a decision. i can keep bugfixing our 12.04-based distro for now [15:46] hardware enablement is the main reason to update a corporate release, imho [15:55] popey, i updated your bug - I don't think the fix is correct at all ;-) [15:56] suggest reverting it, either with some extensions, or waiting until the problem rectifies itself :) [15:56] hah [15:59] sun's out.. 5pm.. recommendations: beer @ pub [16:01] exobuzz: bb @ q [16:25] Hmmh, watching Doctor Who on Watch makes me realise how poor the current doctor who episodes are === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [17:11] DJones: Tenant and piper were the best combo [17:14] DJones: however I am liking the new series I fell out with 5-6 I couldn't stand that it seemed like it was the amy-pond show with the boys in tow, at least now it is the Doctor bumbling along with an assistant again :) [17:23] davmor2: There's too much bumbling for me in this series, tennat & piper work well together, was good tonight because Sarah Jane and K9 were in it as well, recently its had Captain Jack & Face of Boe in the episodes [17:32] I miss the 'big picture' plots. with a thread that goes through a season or two. I'm like clara so far, but they're going very light on the 'big picture' [17:35] the dude from the christmas episode was the dude behind the wifi hotspots in ep 1. I think the big picture of this season is going to be him [17:35] [17:35] richard e. grant [17:36] too many time though, the season arc turns out to be total rubbish "it was aliens" [17:36] I don't actually remember the christmas episode anymore. sticking a 4-year gap half way through the season really doesn't work for me [17:36] o_O [17:37] in other news, Sherlock has probably died of old age [17:37] yeah, sherlock really needs another series === JethroTroll is now known as GentileBen [17:40] they were shooting it few weeks ago [17:41] there were questions over the hobbit's mass appeal making for dr watson being too well known to make a small series like sherlock (I can't think of his real name right now.. I suck) [17:46] beats me too. all that comes to mind is arthur dent [17:47] completely OT, any suggestions on how you go about applying for jobs in a country where you don't speak the language? [17:47] google translate [17:47] I find plenty that ask for "fluent english", but I'm not convinced I'm what they had in mind [17:47] lol [17:48] they should stipulate whether they require local lingo too [17:48] get your missus to move to ireland! :-p [17:48] it would make my life easier, but I can understand why they don't [17:49] irish is easy. all you need do is say something incoherent and suffix it with "to be sure" and you're set [17:50] and there's my racist comment of the day [17:50] I actually heard that line used with a straight face today [17:51] Can someone tell me what the envelope / mail icon in the top bar is from? [17:51] It seems to integrate / connect with thunderbird as it shows new mail, but clicking it does not focus thunderbird. [17:52] it opens the new mail though, just wont switch windows. [17:52] it's not from anything in particular [17:52] it's an indicator [18:48] 36 [18:48] bah! [18:49] popey: in a row?! [18:49] [18:58] friend saw them in euston filming sherlock on monday [18:58] \o/ [18:59] Ooh [19:11] wayland now works on the raspberry pi which is mildly interesting [19:11] nice [19:12] and it has colour profile support now too, which is also interesting [19:13] I really need me a colourhug (I think that's what they're called) [19:13] http://hughski.com/ [19:14] colour management doesn't appear to be a feature of Mir at all, which is a shame [19:15] I'm sure it'll come eventually [19:15] I think that's the wrong way to do it :/ like accessibility, it works better when it's not a bolt-on afterthought [19:16] I don't really understand the objectives of Mir [19:17] in terms of features, like full desktop zoom, text tracking zoom, colour managment, wobbly windows, desktop transitions etc [19:18] I know it is an openGL rendering path like compiz, but there is a wall of text about it, which doesn't in any way say what it will actually do [19:18] I never saw the appeal of wobbly windows. other than "composite all the things!" [19:19] sure, I was just throwing it out there as a thing, I have no idea if that is something Mir can or can't do [19:19] it certainly hasn't been explained to my satisfaction why wayland is less of a fit than reinventing the wheel [19:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec is kind of low level detail, I was expecting some salesy stuff at some point [19:20] yeah, I'm not clever enough to understand the low level stuff [19:20] seamless transitions between form factors is something it claims to do [19:21] and drop shadows [19:21] yey [19:21] drop shadows are very important! [19:22] actually it is important that they are done properly if at all [19:22] and openGL is kinda good at that sort of thing [19:24] I wonder how likely it is that the video chip vendors are going to support a diverging pair of standards in mir and wayland and potentially legacy support for X for their driverstacks [19:24] in theory they don't need to [19:24] they need good EGL drivers, which both can consume [19:24] very likely they will support android/mir together [19:25]