[00:00] <popey> which is further puzzling me
[00:00] <popey> backports perhaps
[00:00] <ali1234> probably
[00:00] <ali1234> which could also have newer version of everything else
[00:01] <popey> linux-image-generic-lts-quantal
[00:01] <popey> precise-updates (metapackages): Generic Linux kernel image
[00:01] <popey> 3.5.0.27.34: amd64 i386
[00:02] <popey> yup
[00:03] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711831/
[00:03] <popey> worth a punt as it doesn't pull in much
[00:08] <popey> right, reboot into it
[00:23] <popey> bah
[07:23] <popey> morning
[07:54] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning.
[07:55] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Face healing quite quickly: https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/status/324068518326853632/photo/1 :-)
[07:56] <bigcalm> Still hurting?
[07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yep.
[07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Esp. the nose.
[07:57] <bigcalm> I've broken my nose twice. It's not fun. Esp having it re-set...
[07:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sure if this is busted or not. Don't think so, but it aches a lot.
[07:58] <bigcalm> Mine has a kink in it because it wasn't fixed the 1st time it was broken
[07:58] <bigcalm> Not as good looking as Stephen Fry's though
[08:01] <bigcalm> Worth a trip to ENT?
[08:03] <bigcalm> I wonder if kids these days that end up going to an ENT clinic think that they are going to see Tree Beard
[08:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was going to pop in a see my doc this morning but there was a big queue and I don't feel *that* unwell. Also can't be bothered to wait such a long time to see him. Will probably catch him in the pub tonight anyway ;-)
[08:08] <bigcalm> Ha
[08:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:14] <czajkowski> if nose is broken you need to have it reset sooner rather than later as it is then harder and sorer to reset
[08:14] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: one too many smart ass comments was it :)
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> thanks for your understanding czajkowski
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> remind me. What happened to the paddies in the 6 nations? Worst finish ever wasn't it?
[08:17] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: you know it was really, and now we're in the process of regrouping and getting a new manager so things work out for the best.
[08:17] <czajkowski> mind your face!
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice to have you back. Missed your demure personality
[08:19] <czajkowski> :)
[08:20] <czajkowski> in all seriousness if your nose is still twitchy and sore do get it checked out
[08:22] <popey> I have some doors that need closing if you want to use your face TheOpenSourcerer
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks popey
[08:26] <bigcalm> :)
[08:27] <bigcalm> Ours is a caring community if nothing else
[08:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy One Day Without Shoes Day! :-D
[08:35] <MooDoo> lol
[08:40] <SuperMatt> one day without shoes day?
[08:41] <bigcalm> Wearing slippers to the office is a daily luxury
[08:43] <SuperMatt> I should do that
[08:44] <SuperMatt> Hightops are not conducive to pleasant feet
[08:44] <mungbean> on freenode and ircnet, when you choose a channel name nobody has chosen before, does that in effect, create the channel?
[08:47] <bigcalm> mungbean: yes but it doesn't register it (on freenode). IRCnet has no concept of registration
[08:47] <bigcalm> It's nice to see people still using IRCnet now and then ;)
[08:48] <czajkowski> JamesTait: I'm lucky if I actually wear shoes
[08:49] <JamesTait> czajkowski, but that's by choice, right?
[08:49] <czajkowski> oh indeed
[08:49] <czajkowski> come summer time (lol) I'm in flip flops :)
[08:49] <czajkowski> rarely wear socks in the winter also
[08:49] <JamesTait> Phew, for a minute there I thought Canonical were forcing you to work for nothing!
[08:50]  * JamesTait gets out the slave whip.
[08:50] <bigcalm> The chickens steal the shoes
[08:51] <mungbean> bigcalm: our it dept use ircnet for discussion
[08:51] <JamesTait> czajkowski, I wear shoes a lot more now than I ever did at my old house. Not sure why, this house retains the heat better.
[08:51] <mungbean> its mainly offopic nowadays tho
[08:53] <mungbean> does anyone think it's a big security issue that site such as comparethemarket, etc allow you to retrieve quotes with only email address, surname and DOB?
[08:53] <mungbean> such quotes contain a huge wealth of personal info
[08:54] <AlanBell> such as what car you have?
[08:55] <bigcalm> And which meerkats you love
[08:55] <MooDoo> simples
[08:56] <mungbean> well, address, car details, home details and valuables, spuse name and all their details, all sorts of personal info
[08:57] <mungbean> not sure which meerkat to choose
[09:04] <BigRedS> whooo! 13.04!
[09:04] <BigRedS> Still can't tell whether online accounts is broken or not, though :/
[09:05] <AlanBell> there are two :(
[09:05] <BigRedS> yeah, and I don't really get what either does
[09:05] <BigRedS> but I'd heard this was fixed in 13.04
[09:06] <AlanBell> one is more gnome/redhatish the other is more ubuntuish
[09:06] <popey> haha, just logged into comparethemarket
[09:06] <BigRedS> But filing a bug requires finding out what it is that this is supposed to do and determining what it's doing that's not that
[09:06] <AlanBell> but I don't really know what they do, or how to add new ones
[09:06] <popey> Server Error in '/Motor' Application.
[09:07] <popey> there are two online accounts?
[09:07] <AlanBell> I don't think you are supposed to add new accounts yet
[09:07] <popey> I only see one
[09:07] <BigRedS> AlanBell: they replace the "Add Account" feature of Empathy, and  I think it means I can add my google calendar to the thingy in the top bar
[09:07] <AlanBell> if you install some gnomey stuff you get the other one
[09:07] <BigRedS> AlanBell: with Gnome shell you get gnome's one too
[09:07] <BigRedS> and, hilariously, though they have different icons neither really suggests which is which
[09:07] <AlanBell> yes but you can only add consumer web services that are pre-installed
[09:07] <BigRedS> yeah
[09:08] <popey> nice
[09:08] <popey> #blamegnome
[09:08] <BigRedS> Seems to work in Debian...
[09:08] <AlanBell> yes, this does appear to be gnome/redhat's fault
[09:09] <BigRedS> Not from here
[09:09] <AlanBell> interestingly one of them has an owncloud option
[09:09] <popey> BigRedS: they wouldn't accept our patches
[09:09] <AlanBell> I have no clue which is the ubuntu one and which is the gnome one
[09:09] <popey> so we had "no choice" but to make our own
[09:09] <BigRedS> okay, but why don't either configure empathy?
[09:10] <BigRedS> I think I just need to find the arsedness to work out what their points are and file some bugs
[09:10] <popey> dunno about empathy
[09:10] <BigRedS> though I *know* these issues are known in canonical, so it seems even less worthwhile than normal
[09:10] <AlanBell> ah right, the one with a legal notice button is the Ubuntu one
[09:11] <BigRedS> and why do they both have the same name and icon?
[09:11] <AlanBell> they have different icons for me
[09:11] <BigRedS> sorry, different icons but neither is gnomey nor ubuntuy
[09:12] <AlanBell> so the Ubuntu one has more accounts in it, but the gnome one has the owncloud account option which is more exciting because that means things can add themselves to it
[09:12] <BigRedS> and both are 'in charge' of integrating online account thingies into the DE?
[09:13] <AlanBell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/online-accounts/
[09:14] <BigRedS> Oh, that's the ubuntu one?
[09:14] <BigRedS> cool, so it's the gnome one that's obviously broken
[09:14] <BigRedS> and as such isn't getting fixed :(
[09:14] <AlanBell> yeah
[09:15] <BigRedS> ah well
[09:18] <AlanBell> "A provider plugin is a loadable .so module which subclasses the Plugin class defined in libaccount-plugin and implements the build_widget() virtual method. "
[09:19] <BigRedS> Hah. But if I log in to unity pidgin just repeatedly crashes on startup
[09:20] <BigRedS> I'm so pleased my desktop is this much better than it was four years ago
[09:20] <popey> pidgin still exists?
[09:20] <BigRedS> what am I supposed to be using in 13.04?
[09:21] <Myrtti> surprisingly yes
[09:21] <popey> dunno, what do you want to do?
[09:22] <BigRedS> use xmpp
[09:22] <popey> oof
[09:22] <popey> just ran empathy
[09:22] <BigRedS> I have five accounts, only one of which I can get to work in empathy. I couldn't get gajim to work with gnome-shell's notifications very well, but it might do unity I guess
[09:22] <popey> dialog box comes up saying it cant find some random package
[09:22] <popey> i alt-tab away to tell you this
[09:22] <BigRedS> yeah, Ubuntu's not the place to go for a good impression of empathy
[09:22] <popey> and can't get back to it
[09:22] <BigRedS> haha
[09:23] <popey> super+w to the "rescue"
[09:23] <popey> "empathy-auth-client requests to install the following software package, to provide additional features: account-plugin-msn"
[09:23] <Myrtti> lol
[09:23] <Myrtti> no.
[09:23] <popey> well indeed
[09:23] <BigRedS> mine doesn'ty
[09:23] <BigRedS> is it trying to read your MSN config from something else?
[09:24] <popey> no idea
[09:24] <popey> i never use it
[09:24] <BigRedS> yeah, but do you use msn anywhere else?
[09:24] <popey> not for some while
[09:24] <popey> i may have configured it in the past
[09:24] <Myrtti> nobody uses msn
[09:25] <BigRedS> Haha, and if I open gajim there's no menu bar for it
[09:25] <Myrtti> :-P
[09:25] <Myrtti> it is an ex-protocol.
[09:25] <BigRedS> but, still, what do people use for xmpp these days?
[09:26] <Myrtti> I love that joke too much, sorry
[09:26] <popey> hmmm
[09:26] <popey> my mouse on my desktop scrolls too fast
[09:26] <Dave2> Bitlbee!
[09:26] <popey> one nudge of the wheel leaps half way down a page
[09:26] <Dave2> popey: you gave me flashbacks of binding mouse buttons 4 and 5 in my XF86Config
[09:27] <popey> wonder if it's because my desktop has a mouse and a touchpoint attached
[09:32] <JamesTait> BigRedS, Psi+.
[09:35] <BigRedS> JamesTait: Hmm, I might give that a go. I'm trying to keep as close as possible to what I'm 'supposed' to use, though, since that seems the easiest way of avoiding broken software :)
[09:36] <BigRedS> I can't find the config for the number of virtual desktops in unity any more. Has it moved (I'm sure it used to be in ccsm's 'unity plugin')?
[09:36] <AlanBell> they are turned off by default now
[09:36] <BigRedS> what?
[09:36] <BigRedS> still, are they turn-onable?
[09:37] <JamesTait> BigRedS, I know what you mean - I stuck with Empathy for a long time for the same reason, and still run it alongside Psi+.
[09:37] <AlanBell> yeah, you can turn them on, then the number of them is in ccsm general options desktop size
[09:37] <JamesTait> But it's mostly an academic exercise now.
[09:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:43] <popey> pip pip
[09:44] <brobostigon> morning popey'ness
[09:53] <SuperMatt> there, I've finally signed the ubuntu code of conduct
[09:54] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: well done ;)
[09:54] <SuperMatt> \o/
[09:59] <SuperMatt> anyone care to sign my pgp key?
[10:00] <Laney> errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[10:01] <Laney> i hope nobody take that offer up, unless you're offering to meet them
[10:01] <SuperMatt> very true, I forgot about that ;)
[10:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:15] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:17] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:17] <davmor2> morning bigcalm MooDoo how's life treating you today?
[10:19] <bigcalm> Panicky. Where's a weekend when you need one?
[10:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: ok thanks, just going into town in a bit to buy a certification book, how exciting *yawn*
[10:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: depends if the wildly exciting book leads to better quals and a nicer job then it's woop-di-doo exciting
[10:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes unfortunately it's windows but needs must
[10:21] <SuperMatt> it's ok, I don't need my key signed! I found my old one which is already signed :D
[10:24] <zleap> ok just posted a message to the documentation mailing list
[10:25] <popey> ...
[10:29] <Azelphur> wow, my landlord just turned up with the police, he told them I threatened to damage the property before I leave
[10:29] <SuperMatt> ...
[10:29] <MooDoo> Azelphur: what a silly thing for you to say ;)
[10:30] <Myrtti> Azelphur: that's messed up.
[10:30] <Azelphur> yea, he was totally making it up
[10:30] <MooDoo> Azelphur: he'll get done now for wasting police time
[10:30] <Azelphur> I just said as much to the police officer and he said fair enough, hung around for a discussion with us to try and keep the peace
[10:30] <MooDoo> then again
[10:31] <Azelphur> which got nowhere, the LL is standing in front of the officer saying an oven is not a fitting and not covered under the tenancy agreement
[10:31] <Azelphur> and stupid shit like that
[10:31] <bigcalm> !ohmy
[10:31] <NET||abuse> hi folks.
[10:31] <Azelphur> lol
[10:31] <MooDoo> hello NET||abuse
[10:31] <NET||abuse> I have finally,,, finally got my act together and started trying to setup my HP micro N40L last night
[10:31] <NET||abuse> but...
[10:32] <bigcalm> What's to set-up?
[10:32] <SuperMatt> Azelphur: I wonder if he's thinking of another tennant
[10:32] <Azelphur> dunno
[10:32] <NET||abuse> I set the ide config into ide and ahci, and in neither mode did ubuntu's intaller see the drives in the 4 disk slots or the extra drive in the caddy on the extra sata connector up top
[10:33] <NET||abuse> so i couldn't config them
[10:33] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yc911lwqlubzmoh/Rec_2013-04-15-%2812-16-41%29.3gp is the recording
[10:33] <MooDoo> Azelphur: so what was the outcome, can't listen to the recording
[10:33] <bigcalm> Your abuse may be recorded for training purposes
[10:34] <NET||abuse> i have an external caddy with esata cable which i put into my laptop and checked the 2 disks in the 4 disk array slots and the single disk in the caddy up top and they all checked out fine, mountable readable.
[10:34] <Azelphur> MooDoo: officer suggested I take legal action
[10:34] <NET||abuse> bigcalm: hehe, I abuse the net and support agents!
[10:34] <MooDoo> Azelphur: does he owe you money?
[10:35] <Azelphur> MooDoo: imo yes, he's sold me something and not provided it
[10:35] <NET||abuse> it's meant to be NET::ABUSE like a perl cpan lib for abusing things, but :: aren't alowed in irc nicks
[10:36] <bigcalm> :)
[10:36] <NET||abuse> anyway, back at the point :P   I did also set it into raid mode and started the fakeraid config utility, it didn't see the drives..
[10:37] <NET||abuse> flashes message saying "no array configuration exists" or something like that. and when ctrl+f into the raid config utility, the 1,2,3,4 options are there, but 1. i can't see any existing LD's, there's no LD to delete, 3. i can't configure a new LD, 4. i can't remember what option 4 was :P
[10:38] <NET||abuse> ok, this was at 4am last night, so upon more rested reflection, i must have something  not plugged in right. I'll just have to check the sockets etc tonight.
[10:38] <bigcalm> To be honest, I can't remember how I set-up my microserver. RAID1 over 2 drives and that was it
[10:39] <NET||abuse> well, all the forums say use the custom rom to enable ahci on the extra sata connector so you can have a 5th drive and use the multi extender on the esata port on the back,
[10:39] <NET||abuse> i haven't looked at doing that yet though
[10:40] <bigcalm> Asking a lot from  a little server
[10:40] <NET||abuse> and also they say, dont use hte supplied raid on the controller, it's the fakeraid crappy sort. just use it in ahci and use lvm to do your raid.
[10:40] <bigcalm> Yep, software RAID works fine here
[10:40] <NET||abuse> bigcalm: popey has a pretty comprehensive setup with his. though i'm not sure he did the custom rom bit
[10:40] <popey> \o/
[10:40] <popey> i didnt do any custom rom nonsense
[10:41] <popey> i have 12 disks in mine, all one giant btrfs volume
[10:41] <NET||abuse> did you enable the esata on the back for the emm. extender thingy?
[10:41] <popey> i dont use the built in port
[10:41] <popey> because it only does single port, not PM
[10:41] <NET||abuse> the usb one on the mother board then?
[10:41] <popey> I added an esata card
[10:41] <NET||abuse> ohhhh
[10:41] <popey> i use the sata on the mobo for the boot disk in the optical bay
[10:42] <NET||abuse> what's your wattage usage?
[10:42] <popey> no idea
[10:46] <NET||abuse> get one of the power meter plugs.
[10:48] <popey> i have one
[10:48] <popey> but it is not attached to that machine
[11:03] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1169238 amuses me
[11:04] <Laney> it kind of weirded me out
[11:05] <popey> that some people attribute meaning to the rotation direction?
[11:05] <popey> or that we take that on board?
[11:06] <Laney> that it escalated so much
[11:06] <popey> yeah
[11:06] <popey> i dont care ☻
[11:07] <popey> we should change the icon for online accounts to make it noticably different from gnome online accounts. I know.. how about an inverted crusifix, that won't offend anyone.
[11:09] <Laney> as a leftie I like it the way it is
[11:09] <Laney> therefore we should make it a preference
[11:10] <popey> as a lazy human with scant design skills i never noticed
[11:10] <Laney> me neither :(
[11:10] <Laney> i only notice it to appreciate how it's cool that it changes colour with the background
[11:10] <AlanBell> Ubuntu is tough on preferences, and tough on the causes of preferences
[11:10] <popey> haha
[11:11] <popey> i like that a lot
[11:11] <Laney> well, all i have to say is that if you don't make it a preference i'm switching to arch
[11:11] <Laney> now stick THAT in your bfb and smoke it
[11:12]  * Laney comes slinking back
[11:13] <mungbean> can someone screenshot the 13.04 bfb?
[11:14] <mungbean> its not on the bug
[11:14] <mungbean> or it looks indentical to the clockwise one
[11:14] <mungbean> it looks like we're going doing a plughole
[11:14] <Laney> the swirls go the other way
[11:15] <xnox> Chillax people, it's a James Bond reference http://youtu.be/gkNeQdLg6Nc
[11:16] <AlanBell> it represents the rifling in a gun barrel?
[11:17] <xnox> AlanBell: yes, now we just need all the people for and against "gun laws" in usa to flood the bug report with comments =)
[11:21] <SuperMatt> my bfb hasn't changed. THE WORLD IS ENDING
[11:39] <Nafallo> SuperMatt: eventually... for now it will just go backwards :-)
[12:03] <SuperMatt> what does bfb even stand for?
[12:03] <mungbean> big freakin' button
[12:04] <SuperMatt> ah right
[12:05] <mungbean> since installing 3.5 i've been experiencing some graphical glitches.
[12:05] <mungbean> font corruption
[13:29] <mungbean> anyone know of a service to manage android tablets? (remote wipe, manage, install apps?)
[13:29] <mungbean> installable onsite is preferred
[13:29] <mungbean> ££ is OK
[13:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> mungbean: http://www.androidlost.com/
[15:12] <mungbean> http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/2013/04/16/music-store-discontinued-in-rhythmbox/
[15:14] <directhex> .-.
[15:16] <AlanBell> bit of a climbdown
[15:16] <AlanBell> gosh, and backporting the removal too
[15:17] <mungbean> althought the reasoning is that web store purchases -> u1
[15:17] <mungbean> so no need for rhythmbox if everyone has a web browser
[15:17] <AlanBell> fair enough, I have only purchased one thing through it ever so I am not too bothered either way
[15:18] <mungbean> i used to love the banshee amazon mp3 interface
[15:18] <AlanBell> #1 Ding Dong
[15:18] <Myrtti> I suppose it makes it easier to embed the store to other players too
[15:18] <mungbean> but didnt want mono+banshee just to download mp3 from amazon
[15:18] <AlanBell> that is quite funny, so I guess the userbase must be UK dominated
[15:19] <Myrtti> I wonder how long it usually takes Dell new products to trickle down to UK
[15:20] <popey> it doesnt work like that
[15:27] <popey> hello exobuzz
[15:27]  * popey saw https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5557985 and thought of AlanBell 
[15:27] <popey> exobuzz: you should make an image of ubuntu touch for the joggler ㋛
[15:29] <AlanBell> popey: I don't think I am in the first round of boards
[15:29] <exobuzz> hi mate.
[15:30] <exobuzz> popey, i thought about it, but from what I looked, ubuntu touch doesn't look like it comes in a form where i can easily construct an image - is there x86 versions ready also ?
[15:30] <exobuzz> It doesnt use Xserver right either ? does it run on android? I know very little as you can see.
[15:30] <popey> well, there's two things
[15:31] <popey> Ubuntu Touch runs on top of an Android kernel
[15:31] <popey> which might make things tricky actually
[15:31] <popey> but Unity Next can run on a stock Linux kernel
[15:31] <exobuzz> afaik there is only EMGD driver for older android, which means we would have to run with no 3d accelleration
[15:31] <exobuzz> aah ok
[15:31] <popey> http://www.iloveubuntu.net/unity-next-video-demoed-desktop-app-modern-truly-beautiful-experience
[15:31] <popey> http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unitynext/
[15:32] <exobuzz> that url was like made on fanboy url generator or something.. ;-)
[15:32] <exobuzz> will have a read thanks.
[15:33] <exobuzz> i gave my mum a joggler for her birthday. running basic xubuntu, with glslideshow to act as a photoframe (with browser/xbmc also if needed). made a little script, so the device collects emails from a specific email address, so people can email photos and they appear on her joggler.
[15:33] <bigcalm> Lovely
[15:34] <popey> heh nice
[15:35] <exobuzz> i also freaked everyone out at the teaparty by going upstairs to her pc, sshing in, and making the joggler "espeak" very loudly. because I had half a bottle of bubbly, and it seemed like a funny thing at the time :)
[15:36] <popey> haha
[15:36] <exobuzz> popey, so unity next is a uniform interface for all the "next" ubuntu devices that replaces current unity etc ?
[15:36] <popey> yes
[15:37] <exobuzz> does it do clever things like differing layout depending on device dimensions/resolution etc ?
[15:37] <exobuzz> also - will it work with a "single touch" touchscreen ? which is one of the jogglers limitations
[15:37] <exobuzz> looks nice in the video on that link
[15:38] <exobuzz> (ive finished asking questions now.. promise ;-) )
[15:40] <directhex> i wonder what i'm going to do in 2014 for a company distro
[15:42] <AlanBell> which bit doesn't work for you directhex?
[15:43] <AlanBell> I wonder if gnome shell will stop working on Ubuntu when Mir happens
[15:44] <directhex> AlanBell, unity has been a usability disaster for us with nontechnical users (so has shell, to be fair). and as a company with several core wayland developers, i can't start shipping mir to people
[15:44] <AlanBell> I guess shell/wayland should work still
[15:44] <ali1234> it will work, it just won't work any better than any other distro, due to no resources being put into testing
[15:45] <ali1234> so it will work about as well as xubuntu does now, ie it will be barely usable
[15:46] <exobuzz> popey, one of the biggest issues getting pretty stuff working nicely on the joggler is the graphics drivers - being mostly built on proprietory code. only xserver 1.9 is really properly supported (and supposedly wayland - which I haven't tested). the drivers are buggy. gnome3-shell didnt work last time i tried. nor did unity. maybe llvmpipe would give good enough performance.
[15:46] <popey> unlikely
[15:46] <directhex> i've got at least a year to make a decision. i can keep bugfixing our 12.04-based distro for now
[15:46] <directhex> hardware enablement is the main reason to update a corporate release, imho
[15:55] <exobuzz> popey, i updated your bug - I don't think the fix is correct at all ;-)
[15:56] <exobuzz> suggest reverting it, either with some extensions, or waiting until the problem rectifies itself :)
[15:56] <popey> hah
[15:59] <exobuzz> sun's out.. 5pm.. recommendations: beer @ pub
[16:01] <davmor2> exobuzz: bb @ q
[16:25] <DJones> Hmmh, watching Doctor Who on Watch makes me realise how poor the current doctor who episodes are
[17:11] <davmor2> DJones: Tenant and piper were the best combo
[17:14] <davmor2> DJones: however I am liking the new series I fell out with 5-6 I couldn't stand that it seemed like it was the amy-pond show with the boys in tow, at least now it is the Doctor bumbling along with an assistant again :)
[17:23] <DJones> davmor2: There's too much bumbling for me in this series, tennat & piper work well together, was good tonight because Sarah Jane and K9 were in it as well, recently its had Captain Jack & Face of Boe in the episodes
[17:32] <shauno> I miss the 'big picture' plots.  with a thread that goes through a season or two.  I'm like clara so far, but they're going very light on the 'big picture'
[17:35] <diddledan> the dude from the christmas episode was the dude behind the wifi hotspots in ep 1. I think the big picture of this season is going to be him
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[17:35] <ali1234> richard e. grant
[17:36] <ali1234> too many time though, the season arc turns out to be total rubbish "it was aliens"
[17:36] <shauno> I don't actually remember the christmas episode anymore.  sticking a 4-year gap half way through the season really doesn't work for me
[17:36] <diddledan> o_O
[17:37] <shauno> in other news, Sherlock has probably died of old age
[17:37] <diddledan> yeah, sherlock really needs another series
[17:40] <Myrtti> they were shooting it few weeks ago
[17:41] <diddledan> there were questions over the hobbit's mass appeal making for dr watson being too well known to make a small series like sherlock (I can't think of his real name right now.. I suck)
[17:46] <shauno> beats me too.  all that comes to mind is arthur dent
[17:47] <shauno> completely OT, any suggestions on how you go about applying for jobs in a country where you don't speak the language?
[17:47] <diddledan> google translate
[17:47] <shauno> I find plenty that ask for "fluent english", but I'm not convinced I'm what they had in mind
[17:47] <diddledan> lol
[17:48] <diddledan> they should stipulate whether they require local lingo too
[17:48] <diddledan> get your missus to move to ireland! :-p
[17:48] <shauno> it would make my life easier, but I can understand why they don't
[17:49] <diddledan> irish is easy. all you need do is say something incoherent and suffix it with "to be sure" and you're set
[17:50] <diddledan> and there's my racist comment of the day
[17:50] <shauno> I actually heard that line used with a straight face today
[17:51] <dogmatic69> Can someone tell me what the envelope / mail icon in the top bar is from?
[17:51] <dogmatic69> It seems to integrate / connect with thunderbird as it shows new mail, but clicking it does not focus thunderbird.
[17:52] <dogmatic69> it opens the new mail though, just wont switch windows.
[17:52] <ali1234> it's not from anything in particular
[17:52] <ali1234> it's an indicator
[18:48] <popey> 36
[18:48] <popey> bah!
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: in a row?!
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[18:58] <mungbean> friend saw them in euston filming sherlock on monday
[18:58] <diddledan_> \o/
[18:59] <jacobw> Ooh
[19:11] <AlanBell> wayland now works on the raspberry pi which is mildly interesting
[19:11] <diddledan_> nice
[19:12] <AlanBell> and it has colour profile support now too, which is also interesting
[19:13] <diddledan_> I really need me a colourhug (I think that's what they're called)
[19:13] <diddledan_> http://hughski.com/
[19:14] <AlanBell> colour management doesn't appear to be a feature of Mir at all, which is a shame
[19:15] <diddledan_> I'm sure it'll come eventually
[19:15] <shauno> I think that's the wrong way to do it :/  like accessibility, it works better when it's not a bolt-on afterthought
[19:16] <AlanBell> I don't really understand the objectives of Mir
[19:17] <AlanBell> in terms of features, like full desktop zoom, text tracking zoom, colour managment, wobbly windows, desktop transitions etc
[19:18] <AlanBell> I know it is an openGL rendering path like compiz, but there is a wall of text about it, which doesn't in any way say what it will actually do
[19:18] <shauno> I never saw the appeal of wobbly windows.  other than "composite all the things!"
[19:19] <AlanBell> sure, I was just throwing it out there as a thing, I have no idea if that is something Mir can or can't do
[19:19] <diddledan_> it certainly hasn't been explained to my satisfaction why wayland is less of a fit than reinventing the wheel
[19:20] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec is kind of low level detail, I was expecting some salesy stuff at some point
[19:20] <diddledan_> yeah, I'm not clever enough to understand the low level stuff
[19:20] <AlanBell> seamless transitions between form factors is something it claims to do
[19:21] <AlanBell> and drop shadows
[19:21] <diddledan_> yey
[19:21] <diddledan_> drop shadows are very important!
[19:22] <AlanBell> actually it is important that they are done properly if at all
[19:22] <AlanBell> and openGL is kinda good at that sort of thing
[19:24] <diddledan_> I wonder how likely it is that the video chip vendors are going to support a diverging pair of standards in mir and wayland and potentially legacy support for X for their driverstacks
[19:24] <directhex> in theory they don't need to
[19:24] <directhex> they need good EGL drivers, which both can consume
[19:24] <AlanBell> very likely they will support android/mir together
[19:25] <diddledan_> I see
[19:25] <directhex> they won't target mir.
[19:26] <AlanBell> they will hit it by accident
[19:26] <directhex> they may, yes
[19:26] <AlanBell> caught in the crossfire
[19:26] <directhex> via EGL
[19:28] <AlanBell> http://www.ebuyer.com/494729-busbi-tablet-pc-111019 would something like that be rootable do you think?
[19:29] <mungbean> http://www.losethegame.com/
[19:29] <mungbean> you just all lost
[19:30] <diddledan_> so, is it time for me to get my raring ringworm on yet or not?
[19:30] <mungbean> whens release day?
[19:30] <diddledan_> 25?
[19:30] <diddledan_> I can't remember
[19:31] <mungbean> ive never known such an uninspiring release
[19:31] <diddledan_> wow, good guess.. it IS the 25th
[19:31] <mungbean> maybe im gettin old but lts are v appealing to me nowadays
[19:33] <diddledan_> final freeze is thursday
[19:34] <diddledan_> looks like it's the same day for the RC to land
[19:34] <diddledan_> then a week on thursday is the release
[19:37] <AlanBell> and the party \o/
[19:37] <AlanBell> or quiet drink in a pub as they are now known
[19:42] <shauno> I wanted to make a comment, but realised I have no idea which alan is which anymore
[19:47] <AlanBell> neither have I
[19:49] <shauno> one of you showed up on twitter looking like you'd met an earthmover in a kissing booth.  I'm just not sure who now.  so jokes re: a quiet drink will have to wait
[19:49] <AlanBell> oh, that was theopensourcerer
[19:49] <AlanBell> and yeah, he is in a bit of a state
[19:52] <AlanBell> should I be using sparkleshare rather than dropbox?
[19:56] <AlanBell> or try owncloud again?
[19:56] <shauno> I was less than impressed with owncloud's syncing apps
[19:57] <shauno> I keep ending up back at dropbox because they have "just works" down pat
[19:58] <ShinyUmbreon> Hello
[20:01] <mungbean> ive reached a low...reading the inane comments on omg about the swastika bfb
[20:02] <mungbean> AlanBell: ownclod workd ok here ,has saved my butt too
[20:07] <MindCrash> hello how do i get the email to reset my irc password?
[20:21] <AlanBell> !info sparkleshare
[20:21] <AlanBell> !info sparkleshare raring
[20:22] <directhex> we have newer packaged
[20:22] <directhex> but the debian freeze is a huge demotivator
[20:44] <AlanBell> ok, I have sparkleshare working with my git back end with redmine as the web UI for it