=== Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [06:21] good morning all [06:27] morning superfly and others [06:32] ahh Kilos good morning [06:33] hi magespawn where were you last night? [06:33] you missed the meet [06:33] yes sorry, got familied. [06:34] only got here at 21:00 [06:34] did have a look at the meeting notes [06:38] good man [06:38] these things do happen [06:40] was a long day [06:44] hiya maiatoday [06:45] hi Kilos [06:45] how did it go last night, I'll read the logs [06:46] when well ty. we miss you. when you gonna join us again [06:49] s/when/went [06:59] gott go out bbl [07:02] k [07:02] hi HawkiesZA [07:02] Morning Kilos! [07:03] mondays used to be a really good day for a meeting but now it is bad for me [07:04] what is a good day maiatoday ? [07:04] Kilos, don't you wanna be the Ubuntu-za team contact? [07:04] for you that is [07:04] No I don't want to move the meeting just for me. [07:04] tuesdays are better now, they used to be bad [07:04] but the tuesday thing moved to a monday [07:04] sue them [07:05] It isn't difficult to do (the team contact thing) just read the odd email. You do so much here already it would just be an extension of what you do? [07:05] anyway just a thought [07:05] just read mails? [07:06] you do lots more [07:06] I want my maia back [07:06] morning Kilos, magespawn, maiatoday [07:06] yeah the odd mail comes through from launchpad and when we are up re-approval you have to be in the channel at the right time [07:07] I am around, I'll still blog and organise events from time to time [07:07] and you guys are so good at doing the meetings now, I am proud of you [07:08] well if the fly and them will help me out so i dont make mistakes i can give it a tryout temporarily [07:08] yeah we got nuvo and the monkey well trained [07:08] hehe [07:09] and the pro in the background [07:09] really? [07:09] morning inetpro [07:09] good mornings [07:09] lol [07:12] Kilos: I'm more in the back than in the ground these days [07:13] all good inetpro ? [07:13] all ok thanks, just struggling to keep up with everything [07:14] and it seems to keep getting worse [07:14] at least I'm still here [07:14] yeah thank heavens for you oldies [07:15] just you fly and the weed [07:15] oh and nuvolari and magespawn [07:16] hi theblazehen trender [07:16] hi henk [07:16] ai! [07:16] hi henkj [07:20] hi Kilos [07:24] hi Squirm Trix[a]r_za [07:29] morning [07:30] damn phone woke me up pffft [07:34] anybody alive ?? [07:34] maaz: morning [07:34] Hello trender [07:34] morning all [07:35] ThatGraemeGuy mornin dude [07:37] mornin squirm [07:38] hi ThatGraemeGuy trender [07:38] mornin [07:46] anyone have experience building debs and maintaining a PPA? [07:48] ThatGraemeGuy: tumbleweed does. [08:19] lo [08:19] am I alive? [08:27] nope [08:27] :P [08:41] then being dead sucks [08:41] :/ [08:41] you're not meant to work when you're dead... [08:42] guess you must've ended up in hell :-o [08:42] lol [08:43] heavy night again Squirm ? [08:46] no, my host seems to be being attacked [08:46] only time I ever time out... [08:46] well, only time my bnc ever times out [08:47] and no, last night was fine. [08:47] and it was a heavy night in terms of sleeping :/ [08:48] aw [08:53] I have no idea why, but I woke up wet from head to toe in sweat. [08:53] * Squirm shrugs [08:54] ThatGraemeGuy: I do [08:55] is it pretty easy to get up and running? [09:06] ThatGraemeGuy, confluency: hi [09:06] * ThatGraemeGuy waves [09:09] *busy* :-/ [09:22] ThatGraemeGuy: it is quite straightforward [09:23] i wanted to do something simple, just have a PPA with the latest version of HAproxy, since the LTS versions tend to be pretty old [09:24] and the way i've updated in the past is kinda hackish... manually compile latest version and just replace the executable in /usr/bin [09:24] figure its time i start doing it properly instead :) [09:24] but i have no clue where to start [09:29] ThatGraemeGuy: which LTS are we talking about? lucid / precise? [09:30] this particular case its lucid, so i'm just going to build new ones with precise, but haproxy development moves fast enough that I'd want to do this a little down the line anyway [09:30] ThatGraemeGuy: is the version that's in precise good enough for you, or do you want something even newer? [09:30] the latest version is often not what one actually wants to be using, rather something a little more tested... [09:31] mmm actually now that i look at it, the version i'm running is already newer than the version in precise [09:31] http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1800-1/ [09:32] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haproxy- [09:32] i'm running 1.4.20, precise has 1.4.18-0ubuntu1.1 [09:32] err https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haproxy [09:32] correct [09:33] ok, so backports won't help you - you want http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ [09:35] phew! looks like a good place to start, thanks :) [09:35] something i'll spend my quiet afternoons/evenings with [09:35] if you need any help, stick your nose into #ubuntu-packaging [09:35] what's the learning curve like for someone with no clue? :) [09:36] depends how much clue you have [09:36] oh, cool [09:36] i'm a sysadmin, not a dev [09:36] the Debian packaging tools are really just standard unix tools [09:36] if you know make, and can think logically about program flow, you'll be fine [09:37] these days, we don't do much in makefiles, if we can help it [09:37] i am aware that 'make' exists :) [09:37] i suppose that's a good start [11:04] afternoon all [11:12] hi magespawn [11:14] howdy magespawn [11:33] hey hey hey [11:51] :) [11:52] wheres that local rasberry pi website again ? [11:52] damn prices are hitting the ground on the Pi [11:53] even china is not coping [12:02] pi factory i think [12:03] http://www.pifactory.co.za/ [12:06] http://www.eexpress.co.za/ these are meant to be the official distributors according to this www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.phhttp://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29276p?f=23&t=29276 === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [12:34] hrm [12:34] thanks [12:34] seems any tom dick and harry are making these boards now [12:35] the cubieboard seems like the new pi [12:37] hmmmm [12:38] im gonna buy some cubies i think [14:11] sigh [14:11] I need some ideas: [14:12] i need to look for a string after a string: eg CUSTOMER : 76478326487234. i need to check if the number exists [14:12] in bash [14:17] zeref: check the first example after the question [14:17] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/229551/string-contains-in-bash [14:17] case also would work [14:18] grep would also work [14:18] :P [14:21] k, I did a if $(cat $file | grep "CUSTOMER" | tr "CUSTOMER : " "\n") [14:21] seems to work [15:12] congratulations zeref, you win a "useless use of cat" award :D [15:24] Tesla Won http://www.geekwire.com/2013/vote-geek-madness-final-linus-torvalds-nikola-tesla/ [15:27] Later all, home time [17:00] mornin peeps [17:06] hehe, old age hits some hard hey [17:06] arg ya [17:06] lo Cantide [17:06] hi [17:06] specially when customers interupt yer supper :( [17:06] tried to eat twice already just given up [17:07] ai! [17:07] trender, I have eaten enough for both of us :3 [17:07] :P yea but you are a meat eater [17:07] :) [17:08] i dont go that road [17:08] eating a pineapple dessert now [17:08] meat is a killer [17:08] kill or be killed >.< [17:08] mabee i can eat that [17:08] not for everyone trender [17:08] nomnomon [17:08] it's okay - i cycle and exercise a lot [17:08] i think i'm healthy [17:08] hehe [17:08] you have youth on yer side huh [17:09] im an old dog on my last teeth :P [17:09] lol you still got some [17:09] yea i got teeth [17:09] my teeth are in my left hand each morning when i brush them :) [17:10] i got some plastic ones but eat easier without the things [17:10] hate them [17:10] actually my wife said i was lazy [17:10] so i said ok dear im having all my teeth pulled out and getting false ones just o you can brush them for me [17:11] lol [17:11] hahahaha [17:11] :) woman huh [17:11] cant live with them..cant kill them [17:11] well.. [17:11] >_> [17:12] <_< [17:12] thats why cantide likes korean chicks [17:12] marriage is just a different kind of war [17:12] he thinks they are more obedient [17:12] heh [17:12] oh i have chinese chicks [17:12] not the one i have [17:13] she is totally insane right now [17:13] some of china gurls will make your eyes fall out [17:13] buuuuuuuut, some big news - i could be in Korea before July [17:13] trender, I've picked up my eyes a few times in Asia already :p [17:13] chinese girls are more obedient [17:14] different culture [17:14] depends on the girl, i'm sure [17:14] nah i think its culture [17:14] well, Korean, Chinese and Japanese culture is similar in many ways [17:14] male-dominated societies all of them [17:14] remmember a chinese 25yr old girl is only a teenager [17:15] they are very young minded and childish [17:15] right [17:15] chinese 25yr old girls still watch cartoons [17:16] stay kids forever [17:16] lol [17:16] not sure that suits me [17:16] i guess Korea is the right choice :) [17:17] ey as long as the "luv you long time ;) " [17:17] so long as the North doesn't nuke them [17:17] they [17:17] hahaha [17:17] that's rather stereotypical :p [17:17] yea you are right [17:18] just like african people with thier wild annimals [17:18] scuse me while i go and feed my elephants [17:19] even amricans still think we have wild annimals in our back yard [17:19] americans [17:19] hahaha [17:19] yeah [17:19] well, most Asians no absolutely nothing about South Africa [17:19] know * [17:19] oops :p [17:19] like "oh, is that a country? where is it?" [17:20] i say look everyone theres a real american he is eating a mc and cheese...look it never even touched his lips :) [17:20] :p [17:22] yea chinese actually have some of the most stupid people as well education wise...but they also have some of the best engineers as well and pump them out 10 times faster then we could [17:23] they have the numbers for pretty much everything :p [17:23] they will take over the world...fact [17:23] theve already stuffed up USA [17:23] lol [17:23] they're spreading fast [17:24] right [17:24] and they'll go anywhere [17:24] even here in SA [17:24] they'll open a shop in a township [17:24] we dont have long before we gonna feel them [17:24] no one else would dare :D [17:24] and there we all thought the south koreans would zergling rush everyone [17:24] right [17:25] ey man if you can eat a dog you can can open a shop in soweto or kayalitsha [17:25] plenty of dogs [17:25] lol [17:25] dog is not bad [17:25] i've eaten it there twice [17:25] hrm ok [17:25] apparently good for your health [17:26] and my ex's dad was feeling a little sick [17:26] so she cooked dog for lunch [17:26] nothing with a heartbeat is good for your health but thats annother story [17:26] evolution would like a word [17:27] arg ya [17:27] mans interlect is his downfall as well [17:27] :) [17:28] man should have stayed a fruit picker :) [17:28] farmer even [17:28] things will turn full circle yet [17:29] man will return to the land [17:29] when no land is left he wonders why he gets ill [17:29] that would be best for this planet [17:29] if all humans died [17:29] right [17:29] net very good for the humans tho [17:30] im all for global extermination [17:30] man has become very sick [17:31] im not just talking about australian sheep farmers with thier marvelous sheep in the tall grass either [17:31] money messes everthong up mans greed [17:32] man will manufacture more diseases so he can sell more pills [17:33] windows will always evolve every 12 months so we can buy it again [17:33] hehe [17:33] yeah, the world is sick [17:33] or we could just use Ubuntu :) [17:33] erm yea :) [17:33] evening all [17:34] annother ubuntu salesman :P [17:34] i see we are into light chatty talk tonight [17:34] there's nothing to sell :p [17:34] hi magespawn :) [17:34] hey cantide [17:34] sorry Cantide [17:34] brb [17:35] give me a cubieboard that i will buy :P [17:35] just for a linux toy [17:35] raspberry PI's days are numbered [17:36] hi magespawn [17:36] whats the smallest cheapest small linux toy with sata interface [17:36] * Kilos gonna try have an early night [17:37] sleep is good Kilos? [17:37] yeah sometimes its the best [17:37] ok kilos take care mate.. [17:37] night all. sleep tight [17:37] Cantide: did you not post the link to that other board you were looking at? [17:37] good night Kilos [17:37] which board? [17:37] trender: install ubuntu man then you will see how much time you are wasting [17:38] magespawn, i think you're thinking of someone else [17:38] :) [17:38] ahhh probable cannot remember who or what the board was called [17:38] while windows is still botting ubuntu is working [17:39] sleep tight [17:39] magespawn you seen cubieboard ? [17:39] not yet [17:40] 50$ the next step from PI [17:40] also a hotcake [17:40] but im waiting for the new indian 20$ laptop [17:40] cheapest in the world [17:40] that would be cheap [17:40] i dont think they have an OS yet though [17:41] still bragging about the hardware [17:41] its touting a 35$ sollution now [17:41] but they pushing for 20$ [17:42] trying to skin the chinas [17:42] complete machine? [17:42] minus OS [17:42] OS will push it up [17:43] and they will likely go to bed with the OS company [17:43] pcs always a bad investment :( [17:44] it looks like a tablet to me though [17:44] i seen it on youtube [17:45] arg people are scraping the bottom of the barrel market [17:45] more money in the bins it seems [17:46] just youtube 35$ laptop [17:46] i hope its not gonna be annother android..lawd i hate those things [17:48] tablet prices still need become more accessable [17:49] and why the hell are chinese prices on the raspberry PI higher then UK [17:49] makes no sence [17:50] or perhaps its the shipping errr === Kanchi is now known as Cantide [17:50] hrm [17:51] leave the os of, let the buyer choose [17:51] yea i second that but it wont happen [17:52] to much piracy [17:53] i dont think you can buy blank laptops or tablets [17:53] or mabee i dont get out enuf [17:54] anyhow the pc is basically dead laptops have taken over [17:55] i dont even think linux should be free [17:55] not everyone wants free [17:55] me i prefer to pay [17:56] why pay for linux? i am not understanding [17:57] support the devellopers [17:57] good isnt cheap..chea isnt good [17:57] cheap [17:57] you can donate [17:57] people with money have this illution [17:58] you can support in orther ways besides with money [17:58] other [17:59] contribute [17:59] i like it to be free [17:59] but yes, i wouldn't really mind paying [18:00] im surprised ubuntu even exists [18:00] and the problem with devices without OSs - your average consumer either doesn't know how to, or doesn't want the hassle of loading their own [18:00] i cant imagine making an OS happen for fre [18:03] they had some small amount of work to build on [18:08] people want everything for free nowdays.. [18:09] but those people always seem to have more problems then the okes willing to pay [18:09] that is very broad [18:09] IMO [18:10] every single oke who says best price ends up in trouble [18:10] without fail [18:10] ah [18:10] i agree with that partially [18:10] something free ends up in the bin [18:11] my dad always tries to buy the cheapest thing - mostly ends up with rubbish [18:11] thats not always true [18:11] its apersons perception that breaks things [18:11] mind over matter makes a huge difference [18:12] even in placbo testing [18:12] placebo [18:12] ahh yes but those who are willing to pay appreciate value, all i am saying is that 'money' does not have to be the way you pay [18:12] the placebo effect prevents people from getting anything free for a "bargain" [18:13] i see this every day [18:13] i flag the okes with bad perceptions [18:13] and like clockwork they are trouble [18:14] but make an oke pay 200% and he never has a problem [18:14] he looks after the product [18:15] price matters at a placebo level [18:15] like it or not perception is reality [18:16] give a child a smartie for a headeche and the child could be cured [18:17] but this extends into every level of our lives [18:17] lets take annother example [18:17] a smoker tries an ecigarette [18:17] he likes it [18:18] you tell the oke oy there is brakefluid inside there [18:18] suddenly it doenst taste so good anymore [18:18] boom..there goes that idea [18:19] i see what you are saying, but you can also pay a lot for rubbish, and somethings do not have to be as pricey as they are [18:19] and some things can be free :) [18:20] magespawn price just creates the perception of quality [18:20] more you pay more joy you have in most cases [18:20] i get you tho [18:20] yes and that can be false [18:21] i dont share the eveready duracell perception BTW [18:21] but mabee im not a good candidate for the general perception rule [18:21] i like to poke about also [18:22] but most people dont look that deep [18:25] so it turns out that little squareone server box needs a full linux compile for armv4 core...the manufacturer wont have anything to do with it [18:26] lazy flippen koreans how hard can it be to supply the damn images [18:26] :o [18:26]