[00:01] <[snake]> miksd, the documentation has the answer lying right in it. within it's texts(potentially) and you just come on here to wonder if just maybe someone else had that same exact issue XD
[00:01] <leptone> can someone please help me find a text-to-speech solution. Orca with the default voice is terrible!!
[00:01] <miksd> i dont even know where i can find those docs
[00:01] <miksd> and 10 seconds googling didnt give me an answer
[00:02] <[snake]> 10 seconds eh? how many results did you get?
[00:02] <miksd> dunno
[00:02] <[snake]> probably greater than 10,000
[00:02] <miksd> dont even know what to google
[00:03] <[snake]> wild guess
[00:03] <[snake]> miksd, proccess of elimination. do not google: spy sheriff download.
[00:03] <[snake]> that will not help you XD
[00:03] <wilee-nilee> lol
[00:03] <_xubuntu_> where is mouse and touch pad config file ?
[00:05] <_xubuntu_> nobody want help
[00:05] <[snake]> _xubuntu_, we do not know.
[00:05] <[snake]> could you be more specifc? :D
[00:11] <quuxman> hmm, according to ubuntuupdates.org, the latest version of libgcr-3-1 in precise is 3.4.1-3~precise1. I have "precise main restricted" in my sources.list, and I've ran an update, but `apt-cache show 3.4.1-3~precise1` reports 3.2.2-2ubuntu4 as the current version. Any ideas?
[00:11] <quuxman> Pretty sure this is the root of my problem
[00:12] <quuxman> oops, typo, `apt-cache show libgcr-3-1` is the command
[00:13] <quuxman> although http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libgcr-3-1 reports the same that I have, 3.2.2-2ubuntu4
[00:13] <[snake]> i've gotten bored with spy sherrif. now im using clam tk to delete it for me. :/
[00:13]  * [snake] snorez
[00:13] <nrdb> I have moved my Internet connection from eth0 to eth1.... but the default route is still via eth0 ... how do I get it to go via eth1 ?
[00:14] <[snake]> nrdb, hm. i'd find out what starts things up for ubuntu at boot. and add the command there or something. heh. that's my best guess.
[00:16] <[snake]> nrdb, ~/.bashrc will execute at login i think
[00:18] <quuxman> another potential lead: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/gnome-shell doesn't show libgcr-3-1 or gir1.2-gcr-3, but those are the two packages depends that fail when I `apt-get install gnome-shell`
[00:18]  * [snake] yawnz
[00:18] <[snake]> quuxman, what is the problem again?
[00:19] <quuxman> [snake]: an upgrade ran automatically, and my gnome desktop environment disappeared (no longer installed), and installing it produces that apt dependency error
[00:20] <quuxman> [snake]: "gnome-shell : Depends: libgcr-3-1 (>= 3.4.0) but it is not going to be installed"
[00:20] <quuxman> [snake]: that package version does not exist in my lists
[00:20] <[snake]> perhaps a dependency of it was not available, AND it was on the list to be removed. but that never happened to me.
[00:21] <[snake]> quuxman, just go download that file and stick it on your desktop. it should work after that.
[00:22] <quuxman> [snake]: I doubt I'll be able to install the needed version without a dependency explosion
[00:22] <[snake]> quuxman, ...
[00:22] <[snake]> get the executable file that it needs.
[00:22] <[snake]> and put it somewhere.
[00:22] <[snake]> then compile from source.
[00:22] <[snake]> ./configure will see it and say OK! cool.
[00:22] <[snake]> gnome
[00:23] <[snake]> BAM!
[00:23] <siso80> hi. my name is jeremy. I am a total newbie. first time linux user. first time IRC chat session. i have some questions for some gentle soul
[00:23] <[snake]> siso80, let it rip.
[00:24] <DigiDuncan> Help, anyone?
[00:24] <siso80> got a nice fresh pinguy os install after having a horrible experience with windows 8. i cant get my wireless card to work though
[00:24] <quuxman> [snake]: this will take a lot of work, because I can't use apt. apt-get build-deps gnome-shell produces "E: Build-Depends dependency for gnome-shell cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package libgcr-3-dev can't satisfy version requirements"
[00:24] <quuxman> has anybody else had this problem?-
[00:26] <[snake]> quuxman, apt-get has super cow powers(see apt-get --help). but sometimes, under certain circumstances, on monday's, super cow powers are not enough. and you need to compile from source.
[00:26] <[snake]> siso80, is this ubuntu? if there is a jockey-gtk or a drivers installer then it might have it for your card.
[00:26] <quuxman> [snake]: yeah, I know abuot the super cow powers :-/. This is all very disappointing :-P
[00:26] <_xubuntu_> how can i change color of that string in terminal -> "vova@raketa$" ?
[00:27] <[snake]> _xubuntu_,  edit the file here: ~/.bash_profile i think
[00:27] <[snake]> or is it bashrc
[00:27] <[snake]> D:
[00:27] <[snake]> let me check
[00:27] <quuxman> [snake]: isn't it suspicious that the dependencies in http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/gnome-shell don't match `apt-cache show`?
[00:28] <[snake]> _xubuntu_, ~/.bashrc do you want mine? it's cool snake ~ $
[00:28] <DigiDuncan> Here's my issue: I consider myself a nerd, but not a coder. I, for Christmas, got a Windows 8 laptop, and have loved the freedom of a personal PC. Now, however, I feel the bulkyness and mere inusablity of it has gotten to me. I have a USB 3.0 2TB Western Digital Hard Rive, and want to install to that. This is my first time Linuxing, and I'm not sure what the problem here is. It does not recognize my E
[00:28] <DigiDuncan> xternal USB Drive as a drive it can install to, which is troubling because I have a tiny internal, and this is a laptop. If anyone could help me out, I would be extremely appreciative. Thanks! :D
[00:28] <_xubuntu_> [snake] there is .bashrc and .profile
[00:29] <[snake]> rc
[00:29] <DigiDuncan> Hello?
[00:29] <dr_willis> DigiDuncan:  i install to an external same as i do an internal. i use the 'somthing else...' options so i partion the drive manually how i want. and am sure to install grub to the external usb .
[00:29] <_xubuntu_> [snake] what should i write to this file?
[00:30] <DigiDuncan> "grub" what is grub?
[00:30] <DigiDuncan> Right now it's a empty, formatted drive.
[00:30] <_xubuntu_> [snake] give me you bash file pls
[00:30] <_xubuntu_> *your
[00:30] <siso80> snake: there is a file on the desktop called additional drivers but it didnt help. yes this is ubuntu
[00:31] <DigiDuncan> dr_willis ?
[00:31] <[snake]> _xubuntu_, im going to give you the lines that need changing so that it doesn't effect anything else.
[00:31] <[snake]> for you
[00:32] <_xubuntu_> ok
[00:32] <dr_willis> !grub | DigiDuncan
[00:32] <quuxman> [snake]: ah, there are two versions of gnome-shell here I'm looking at, and the newest one isn't on the web page
[00:32] <[snake]> i'll send it in a pm query
[00:32] <_xubuntu_> oh damn xchat
[00:32] <_xubuntu_> no pm
[00:33] <[snake]> xchat has pm watch
[00:33] <[snake]> use /query
[00:35] <siso80> anyone know about realtek drivers for linux, my ethernet cable works but not wireless.
[00:35] <rAg3> siso80: u own hp envy ?
[00:36] <siso80> hp envy m6
[00:36] <[snake]> siso80, you might as well saw it in half. jk
[00:36] <quuxman> I just had to explicitly downgrade a few packages
[00:36] <rAg3> siso80: do lspci -nn , do u have a ralink wireless card ?
[00:36] <[snake]> quuxman, oh you got it now?
[00:36] <DigiDuncan> Can anyone please help me out?
[00:36] <siso80> yes railink
[00:37] <orangutan> what's the original permissions of /var/www ?
[00:37] <siso80> haha snake, i just switched fo linux after bricking my laptop trying to downgrade to windows7
[00:38] <quuxman> [snake]: still manually tracking broken dependencies and downgrading
[00:38] <[snake]> orangutan, I think it's root. read write. everyone else read only. why is /var/www/ not good for notmal users?
[00:38] <[snake]> quuxman, dll hell
[00:38] <rAg3> siso80: ok, yesterday as well someone had the same issue , go to railink site and download the linux driver corresponding to your device, copy it in /lib/firmware make sure of the permissions and restart your system , it should work
[00:38] <ubuntuaddicted> i am running an ancient x86 dell dimension 8200 which is only 32 bit but Ubuntu 12.04.2 installed the PAE kernel, I am running nvidia-96 and when I installed the non-pae kernel, it fails to load because it can't find the nvidia-96 module. how do I fix this?
[00:38] <orangutan> [snake] didn't understand your question
[00:38] <quuxman> I need to be more careful about reading the details of automatic upgrades
[00:39] <orangutan> [snake] can you please check exactly?
[00:39] <[snake]> orangutan, mine is set so that my user(snake) can edit /var/www/
[00:39] <[snake]> is that bad?
[00:39] <siso80> thanks rag3, i'll try that
[00:39] <[snake]> cause it was root read/write but no one else could write
[00:39] <jetole> Hey guys. From a terminal is there a way to view which X screen a pid is using? i.e. I ask what screen pid 31337 is using and it says :0 or :1 or whatever it is?
[00:40] <ubuntuaddicted> so how do I update the module so it'll work with my non-pae kernel?
[00:41] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: I came late but your comment got my interest. What was your question?
[00:41] <[snake]> orangutan, D: am I still not making sense?
[00:41] <[snake]> XD
[00:42] <ubuntuaddicted> jetole, i first was running a pae kernel but since I don't have more then 3GB of RAM I want to just run a normal kernel, i installed nvidia-96 when I was running the pae-kernel and now when I start the machine with the non-pae kernel, X fails to load because it's missing the nvidia-96 module
[00:43] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: you may have to either recompile the .deb (not what I recommend in your case) or just uninstall the nvidia ubuntu package and download the native installer from nvidia site itself
[00:43] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: since you're not running the stock kernel the .deb was created to link into
[00:44] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: but be careful since you will have to work outside of X between removing ubuntu package and install nvidia driver. Download that first
[00:44] <dr_willis> DigiDuncan:  look for videos on youtube on instlling.. i do it so often i dont even rember the steps. make 2 partions one for / one for swap and away you go
[00:44] <ubuntuaddicted> i work within a terminal (SSH) all the time. what if I uninstall the nvidia-96 driver and then while I am running the non-pae kernel, will it work then?
[00:44] <ubuntuaddicted> if I install the nvidia-96 driver while I am running the non-pae kernel?
[00:45] <jetole> so does anyone know how I can say this process, whatever it is, pid or process name or whatever and have the system tell me it's running on :0 or :1 or not on any x instance?
[00:45] <rAg3> rAg3: d
[00:45] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: I don't think so
[00:45] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: modules are compiled against kernels
[00:45] <jetole> so the nvidia-96 is compiled against a kernel you're not running
[00:45] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: or just keep the pae kernel
[00:46] <[snake]> I think I know what happened. a hacker came in here by the name of orangutan and then asked if anyone had a normal permissions for /var/www/ HOPING that someone(like me) would tell him of their insecure server. then he would check their host and get their ip and hack the living hell out of your insecure web server. unfortunately for him I have a hostmask.
[00:46] <ubuntuaddicted> how would whoever compiled the nvidia-96 know to complile it against the pae kernel only? when in fact the 3.2.0.40 pae-kernel wasn't even out when the nvidia-96 module was made
[00:47] <[snake]> :D
[00:47] <jetole> [snake]: that makes no sense
[00:47] <jetole> [snake]: it's not insecure
[00:47] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: the packages are compiled against the kernel package on your system
[00:47] <[snake]> jetole, thanks. I wanted an answer. it worked! but I was expecting him to defend himself XD
[00:48] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: the kernel is pretty much one of several stock options from different packages
[00:48] <[snake]> orangutan, sorry for falsely accusing you of being a hacker. I take it back.
[00:48] <ubuntuaddicted> jetole, exactly, so If I am running a different kernel at the time I install nvidia-96 it should compile it against the running kernel
[00:48] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: no
[00:49] <jetole> installing a .deb doesn't... in almost all cases, compile anything
[00:49] <jetole> a .deb is compiled packages
[00:49] <[snake]> jetole, just to be clear. I have /var/www/ permissions so that any user on the computer can read/write. this is ok?
[00:49] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: it's compiled by the package maintainer against the current kernels which are stock and common already compiled when they are distributed
[00:49] <quuxman> [snake]: that was painstaking, but yay, all fixed!
[00:49] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: both the driver and ther kernel you are running are already compiled in their .deb file
[00:50] <ubuntuaddicted> jetole, if your argument were correct then any kernel available to me within ubuntu 12.04.2 should work with nvidia-96
[00:50] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: unless you use a non standard kernel in which case you need to improvise
[00:50] <jetole> [snake]: not at all
[00:50] <[snake]> quuxman, that's good. :P weren't you the one being short with people that were trying to help you earlier?
[00:50] <jetole> [snake]: I thought you meant /var/www was owned by your user
[00:50] <[snake]> jetole, it is owned by my user.
[00:50] <[snake]> ??
[00:50] <jetole> but has o+w
[00:51] <ubuntuaddicted> i think i know why, it's because the kernel source isn't installed for 3.2.0.40
[00:51] <jetole> [snake]: if any user can write there then that is insecure
[00:51] <[snake]> let me check. is there a command that will tell me everything to give to you?
[00:51] <quuxman> [snake]: sorry, I was just frustrated. Someone suggested it was a video driver problem, and it clearly was not
[00:51] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: doesn't matter if you're installing the nvidia package via apt/ubuntu/dpkg/synapse/whatever
[00:52] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: hold on one sec and I'll show you
[00:52] <[snake]> quuxman, a friendly way to say that might be, I am 99% positive that is not the issue here, sir/ma'am.
[00:52] <[snake]> etc...
[00:52] <[snake]> you've been forgiven. go and sin no more quuxman
[00:52] <ubuntuaddicted> the headers need to be installed also
[00:52] <[snake]> jetole, I'll take a picture.
[00:52] <jbates58> Hi all. Im looking for a program or something that will ping a site to give me my internet ip address every hour, and then either email it to me, or upload it to a basic site. Dont want to have to pay for a static ip or dns.
[00:52] <quuxman> [snake]: haha, thanks
[00:53] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: actually I just checked. nvidia-96 is a faux package for one several others. Run this: dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia
[00:53] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: that will display all packages with nvidia in their name that you either have installed or have installed and uninstalled without a purge
[00:53] <jetole> ubuntuaddicted: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/nvidia-96
[00:54] <siso80> rag3: i downloaded the driver but i dont know what you mean by the "library" or firmware folders. where are they located
[00:54] <jetole> [snake]: I'm just telling you it's insecure. If you change it keep it or delete it doesn't make a diff to me
[00:54] <quuxman> [snake]: oh damn! all my extensions are gone
[00:54] <[snake]> jetole, http://ericshaw.dyndns.org/woot.png
[00:54] <rAg3> siso80: extract the driver and copy it to /lib/firmware/
[00:54] <[snake]> quuxman, extenstions?
[00:54] <jetole> [snake]: though the perms may or may not affect remote vulnerabilities depending on what you're running on the web server
[00:55] <[snake]> jetole, the picture is of my www folder's permissions as seen by nautilus.
[00:55] <jetole> [snake]: is ericshaw.dyndns.org your web server?
[00:55] <ubuntuaddicted> DKMS is dynamic kernel module support meaning the nvidia-96 driver should work with both the pae and non-pae kernel
[00:56] <[snake]> yes. i trust you all to not hack me if this is a vulnerability.
[00:56] <[snake]> XD
[00:56] <[snake]> that was not sarcasm btw. that is really my webserver.
[00:57] <jetole> [snake]: if ericshaw.dyndns.org is your web server then your host mask is worthless. I won't hack you because I don't care. I have a good job working with servers and even if I didn't care about not going to jail I doubt you have anything worth my time but I cant vouch for the younger kids in here.
[00:57] <[snake]> jetole, what about the permissions man, tell me about the permissions! lul
[00:58] <jetole> [snake]: well yeah but now anyone who wants it now has your IP. I doubt anyone will hack you but you mentioned how your host mask protects you. I consider myself protected by running a firewall and not opening random public ports to the world but whatever
[00:58] <jetole> [snake]: are you trolling?
[00:59] <[snake]> i am not. you have yet to answer my question is why i am repeating myself :(
[01:00] <Jpmh> [snake]:  and jetole  previously snake had some strange theory about oranutan now this - what's really going on here?
[01:00] <[snake]> you said no remote vulnerabilities. does that mean the only threat is if another user(like little-suzy) decides to rm -rf /var/www ?
[01:00] <siso80> rag3: it says i dont have any rights permissions, how do i change that?
[01:00] <[snake]> :| i see why you guys think i may be trolling. but im not
[01:00] <rAg3> siso80: sudo ?
[01:01] <jetole> allowing everyon to write to any server directory of any software is insecure if someone exploits some other app and gets an account as nobody they can write a .php to your web server that runs commands as www-data user and we begin the escalation path where one act of non best practice and poor security might just be opening the tiny doorway they need to finally escalate to root
[01:01] <jetole> @ [snake]
[01:01] <Jpmh> [snake]: the blog you have there is certainly an issue if you really have no understanding of security
[01:01] <jbates58> (jbates58) Hi all. Im looking for a program or something that will ping a site to give me my internet ip address every hour, and then either email it to me, or upload it to a basic site. Dont want to have to pay for a static ip or dns.
[01:01] <[snake]> jetole, oh.
[01:01] <jetole> Jpmh: I don't know or care anymore. Either he's a kid learning and arrogant and he'll grow out of it or he's trolling. Either way I answered and I'm done. Watching a movie and going to bed
[01:01] <jetole> good luck guys
[01:01] <dr_willis> i thought that was the main reason for 'groups' to allow specific people acce3ss
[01:01] <[snake]> Jpmh, why. what is it?
[01:02] <jetole> dr_willis: it's one method
[01:02] <[snake]> jetole, good night
[01:02] <julian-delphiki> jbates58, what you're looking for is dynamic dns
[01:02] <jetole> dr_willis: pretty much right on that one
[01:02] <jetole> ok. I'm out
[01:02] <Jpmh> jetole: I agree - I only said what I said to warn others from being sucked in by him = if he does not intend to troll he is trolling anyway
[01:03] <Jpmh> [snake]:  and anyone else = if you don't understyand security DONT give others access to your computer
[01:03] <jbates58> I know that, just dont want to pay for one. Thats all. If im doing that, wouldnt i be better off paying for a static ip through my isp?
[01:03] <[snake]> dr_willis, after Jpmh  explains about the blog can you help me make a group that can edit /var/www/ and contents
[01:04] <dr_willis> [snake]:  not really. that should be covered by dozens of apache and security guides online.
[01:04] <[snake]> Jpmh, im on linux, i assumed that's ok. actually i came on here one day to ask about additional security and everyone said i'd be fine.
[01:04] <dr_willis> [snake]:  person just needs to be part of the www-server group or whatever it is i belive
[01:04] <[snake]> dr_willis, ok :/
[01:05] <Jpmh> [snake]: you changed the security and made it less secure - and apparently do not uderstand what you are doing or are trolling
[01:05] <[snake]> i understand about the folder now. with someone gaining access with another exploit and then that being wide open. but now what about additional security.
[01:05] <OmarA> Hi can someone help me install Java 1.7.0_170 for Xubuntu?
[01:06] <siso80> rag3: i am not familiar with sudo,  i have seen refrence to it on this chat
[01:06] <[snake]> just as jetole said.
[01:07] <[snake]> siso80, to get root permissions just use sudo -i and enter your password
[01:07] <clare> hi i can't find my software,only can with type them on terminal
[01:07] <[snake]> in the terminal. then the permissions error you're getting might go away.
[01:07] <rAg3nix> siso80: i'll pm you, if thats ok?
[01:07] <[snake]> clare, you mean installing software?
[01:07] <clare> yes
[01:08] <clare> install or use it
[01:08] <Jpmh> siso80: be careful - we have already estanblished that [snake] is a troll or that he does not understand security = generally sudo -i should be avoided unless you REALLY need it
[01:08] <[snake]> clare, what version of ubuntu are you using, and what environment are you using.
[01:08] <OmarA> Hi can someone help me install Java 1.7.0_170 for Xubuntu 12.04?
[01:08] <clare> 12.10
[01:08] <DHR> I've got a problem with cheese (the program, not the food).  On precise.  So I want the debug symbols.  So I add software sources as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash.  But sudo apt-get install cheese-dbgsym fails.  It looks as if the repo's don't have dbgsym for the latest cheese.  Is that normal?  Is that a bug?  Am I confused?
[01:08] <[snake]> Jpmh, dude. that's not true. i am not a troll
[01:08] <siso80> yes thats ok
[01:09] <siso80> snake is a troll?
[01:09] <clare> i don't know what enviroment
[01:09] <Jpmh> [snake]: I said you were a troll OR you do not understand security and have demonstrated that you compromised your own system - I stand by that
[01:09] <[snake]> Jpmh, the latter??? obviously. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT.
[01:09] <Jpmh> siso80: I do not know that he is a troll  = he has shown a lot of signs of it but if not - he does not understand security and has compromised hs own system
[01:10] <[snake]> ---- <- line where I quit talking to you.
[01:10] <Jpmh> siso80: what do you want to do that you need sudo for
[01:10] <[snake]> clare, is your desktop environment showing up?
[01:11] <clare> i guess yes
[01:11] <siso80> i want to get permissions to extract something to lib/firmware
[01:11] <[snake]> clare, so you say you cannot even click on them :( idk I never had this issue before.
[01:12] <ubuntuaddicted> jetole, you were wrong, after I installed the nvidia-96 module while running the non  -pae kernel everything is working again
[01:12] <clare> ahh find them on it
[01:12] <[snake]> ubuntuaddicted, sarcasm: OH JETOLE MUST BE A TROLL
[01:12] <clare> thank you
[01:13] <[snake]> >.>
[01:13] <[snake]> clare, ok.
[01:13] <siso80> i tried sudo -i and it made me root, but when i tried to extract i still i didnt have right permissions
[01:13] <Jpmh> siso80: that is what you should not do
[01:13] <[snake]> siso80, im sorry. that must not have been the issue i was thinking then. :/
[01:13] <clare> but i can't install software like exe
[01:13] <Jpmh> siso80: if you need to run A COMMAND then sudo it - don't make yourself the root - run the command as root
[01:14] <[snake]> clare, oh. exes do not usually work for linux, what software are you tryning to get. if you MUST run that exe file then you can use wine
[01:14] <subcool> anyone famliar with Bridge interfaces?
[01:14] <subcool> i lost interenet access
[01:14] <[snake]> you can get wine in the Ubuntu software center.
[01:14] <siso80> jpmh, i dodnt understand.
[01:14] <clare> putin method
[01:14] <[snake]> siso80, he means use sudo command here instead of sudo -i
[01:15] <clare> like sougou pin yin
[01:15] <Jpmh> siso80:  first type exit to UNDO the fact that you are the root and then tell us specoifically what you want to do
[01:15] <miksd> too much work to type sudo all the time
[01:15] <miksd> better just sudo -s
[01:15] <collisionsystm> or just, sudo bash
[01:15] <julian-delphiki> or sudo su -
[01:16] <shcherbak> gosh
[01:16] <siso80> exited. now i want to extract a driver i downloaded to lib/firmware. when i try to do that it says i dont have right permissions
[01:16] <Jpmh> miksd: if you know what you are doing I think you are probably right - but realistically with a shell that has jistory the sudo takes almost no effor and is MUCH safer - remember these people do not understand what they are doing - do you really want them as root?
[01:17] <clare> i installed the wine
[01:18] <clare> but don't know how to use it
[01:18] <[snake]> clare, right click on your exe and it should have an option "run under wine"
[01:18] <collisionsystm> If you have Wine installed, right click on your .exe file and hit, OPEN WITH WINE
[01:18] <Jpmh> siso80: and how are you trying to do that extra - be specific as to what command you are using - also - please include who you are responding to in your responses so we get alerts
[01:18] <[snake]> ^
[01:18] <siso80> jpmp did you see my last post, and yes i dont know what i am doing
[01:18] <harris> why does the ubuntu weekly newspaper get sent from 2 email addresses
[01:19] <Jpmh> siso80: I think our postings crossed
[01:20] <clare> i use wine open it ,and the words on software not themself
[01:20] <siso80> jpmp: thanks in advance, first time is always the hardest.  i downloaded a driver for my wireless card. someone told me i should extract it to lib/firmware.  i am using pinguy distribution
[01:20] <[snake]> clare, if you get an error about an executable bit then simply right click on the file> properties> tab: permissions> check: allow executing
[01:20] <[snake]> clare, oh
[01:20] <[snake]> clare, what language do you speak if you don't mind me asking?
[01:21] <clare> chinese
[01:21] <[snake]> is there a chinese #ubuntu?
[01:21] <wilee-nilee> !cn
[01:21] <harris> !chinese
[01:21] <she_dyed> kung hei fet choy
[01:22] <she_dyed>  >-(
[01:22] <[snake]> wilee-nilee, thankyou.
[01:22] <wilee-nilee> np
[01:22] <miksd> !fi
[01:22] <siso80> jpmh: i am using a pinguy os gui,
[01:23] <[snake]> siso80, does /lib/firmware/ exist?
[01:23] <[snake]> did you check. idk
[01:23] <yahyaa> I have a HP Mini but I can not get my wifi driver installed can anyone help
[01:23] <harris> why does the ubuntu weekly newspaper get sent from 2 email addresses
[01:24] <siso80> snake: yes i found it
[01:24] <Jpmh> siso80: I would check the instructions on the page where you got the driver - and sadly I am not aware of the pinguy os gui - what is that
[01:24] <SonikkuAmerica> yahyaa: What's your network card?
[01:25] <siso80> [snake]: just no permision
[01:25] <[snake]> harris, because it allows them to send one copy from email-a to email-b. which forwards it to everyone. my pastor does this.
[01:25] <[snake]> siso80, sudo did not help right?
[01:26] <Jpmh> siso80: please BE VERY careful about accepting advice from [snake]  - do not do anything suggested unless others confirm it
[01:26] <harris> i get from joseeantonior@ubuntu.com   and     lyz@ubuntu.com
[01:26] <JoseeAntonioR> harris: for this issue, I was the one releasing it, that's why you received it from me today
[01:26] <Jpmh> siso80: what is the ownership and pernissions of the directory that yoiu want to extract to?
[01:26] <JoseeAntonioR> but usual is lyz
[01:27] <harris> who is lyz
[01:27] <yahyaa> dont know
[01:27] <harris> and cool so you get paid
[01:27] <SonikkuAmerica> yahyaa: Run [ lspci ] in a terminal.
[01:27] <harris> JoseeAntonioR,
[01:27] <yahyaa> ok wait on
[01:27] <yahyaa> oops
[01:27] <yahyaa> one
[01:27] <IdleOne> harris: ask in #ubuntu-news
[01:27] <JoseeAntonioR> harris: we are all volunteers on the community, and why are you asking that?
[01:28] <[snake]> siso80, if you do ls -l /lib/ and tell us the string in front of the firmware folder it should look like this sort of: drwxr-x--x
[01:28] <harris> and JoseeAntonioR what is worth reading in todays issue
[01:28] <[snake]> that will tell us the permissions
[01:28] <harris> and cause im fasinated
[01:28] <IdleOne> harris: You have been told before that this channel is for Ubuntu support (distro support)
[01:29] <harris> i switched to the other channel
[01:29] <harris> i didnt know where to ask
[01:30] <yahyaa> bcm4312 802.11b/g
[01:30] <[snake]> JoseeAntonioR, was my answer to harris wrong? just curious. my pastor has all his emails go to everyone from two emails.
[01:30] <[snake]> so i thought it was the same
[01:30] <JoseeAntonioR> [snake]: nope, he was asking about today's issue
[01:31] <[snake]> oh ok. nvm then
[01:31] <Mio-chan> Hello - am I in the correct channel for Ubuntu (distro) support?
[01:31] <[snake]> Mio-chan, yeah
[01:31] <[snake]> what's up?
[01:32] <Mio-chan> Thank you [snake], just making sure - So, I've been having issues for the past few weeks. Reinstalled 12.10 to make sure. On website such as the PlayStation forums or CNN's live tv, after logging in and redirecting, the websites simply do not log me in, regardless of which browser I use, etc. Works fine if I use a browser w/WINE, or another distro.
[01:32] <Mio-chan> websites such as*
[01:33] <[snake]> Mio-chan, that is extremely strange haha. I'm not sure.
[01:33] <Mio-chan> It's only happening to me on 12.10, too.
[01:33] <Mio-chan> 13.04 works just fine.
[01:33] <Jpmh> Mio-chan: what browser?
[01:33] <[snake]> my friend was having issues with his ubuntu password just on the computer. I think his was 12.04 though.
[01:33] <jcrza> Hey people. Would a dd image I took of a linode Ubuntu server work if I just overwrite my sda with that image?
[01:34] <Mio-chan> I've tested it on Chromium, Chrome (stable), Firefox (stable) and Firefox UX.
[01:34] <Mio-chan> Oh, and Opera.....
[01:34] <JC_SoCal> if i have a directory -- how can i find the size .. i did ls -alh and i got 4.0k ... but thats the size of the directory, not the directory plus the contents
[01:34] <Mio-chan> It's only worked with Firefox under WINE.
[01:34] <Jpmh> jcrza: usually - as long as you did not set up any special drivers etc
[01:34] <[snake]> who is an op?
[01:34] <rAg3nix> JC_SoCal: du -h
[01:35] <jcrza> jpmh: Nice. Do you know what I would need to do on the destination machine? Can I boot from the Ubuntu install usb and do that in rescue mode?
[01:35] <Jpmh> Mio-chan: sounds like you have installed something that is intercepting cookies or flash cookies - does this happen on a virgin install for you
[01:35] <JC_SoCal> rAg3nix: thx .. how can i concat all the data down?  it shows the size of every folder and its sub directories
[01:35] <Mio-chan> Yes - I tested this a few weeks ago immediately following a fresh install
[01:36] <Jpmh> jcrza: I copy machines all the time by dd of a known working system - I have literally hundreds of installed machines I made that way
[01:36] <Jpmh> jcrza: so not sure what else you need
[01:36] <rAg3nix> JC_SoCal: what exactly do u want as output ? or are expecting?
[01:37] <she_dyed> Jpmh: the machines have identical HW specs?
[01:37] <JC_SoCal> forgot -S
[01:37] <Jpmh> Mio-chan: then you have me - clearly something is interfering withat that and it makes no sense that multiple browser and multiple sites would have the same issue if something was not stopping the cookies etc in the header from being sent
[01:37] <jcrza> Jpmh: I just mean, I have kind of a logistical problem. The dd image is on the destination machine, and i'd need to boot from something to overwrite the main drive, but the image I need to write is on that drive. My only option is to get the image from my network storage, but I have no idea how to mount network storage from terminal
[01:37] <[snake]> Mio-chan, Jpmh perhaps it is an input method problem. like maybe wine uses a different one than default.
[01:37] <[snake]> cause that happened to me sort of once with ssh. though I don't use ssh I fixed it when I got home with my input methods
[01:38] <Jpmh> jcrza: boot from a live CD and do the dd copy
[01:38] <[snake]> use ssh anymore
[01:38] <Jpmh> she_dyed: they do not need to be identical
[01:40] <adante> hi
[01:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Yo
[01:40] <[snake]> hi adante
[01:40] <[snake]> ask question haha
[01:40] <Jpmh> jcrza: and you will probably need to copy that image to a second drive of some type and then back - second drive could be USB drive etc though
[01:40] <adante> i run service mysqld start and it says [FAILED] - where do i go to find out why? i've had a look in /var/log but can't see anything obvious?
[01:41] <[snake]> adante, use sudo to start services.
[01:41] <Jpmh> adante: DO NOT
[01:41] <[snake]> adante, assuming that's the issue.
[01:41] <adante> [snake]: it's not - i am running as root
[01:41] <adante> Jpmh: do not what?
[01:41] <Jpmh> adante: we have warned others already that [snake] may be a troll or does not understand security
[01:41] <[snake]> sudo service apache2 stop is what I do. ok. heh.
[01:41] <shcherbak> adante: mysql, not mysqld?
[01:42] <Jpmh> adante: do not follow advice from [snake]  that may have security inplications
[01:42] <siso80> hi, back again, computer froze. snake and rag3 and one other was helping set permissions to extract a file with bzip to lib/firmware. i tried to make myself root but it still said i had no permission
[01:42] <[snake]> adante, and I have to ignore Jpmh so that I do not look like a jerk and it's really hard since he just keeps trying to get on my nerves like this.
[01:42] <adante> schmidtm: there is no mysql service?
[01:42] <adante> shcherbak: there is no mysql service?
[01:42] <Jpmh> siso80: we were waiting for you to tell us the permissions and ownership of /lib/firmware
[01:42] <adante> schmidtm: (sorry wrong person)
[01:42] <[snake]> siso80, we're still here
[01:42] <Jpmh> siso80: what are they
[01:43] <shcherbak> adante: sudo service mysql start; does it work?
[01:43] <adante> shcherbak: no - i am already running as root
[01:43] <[snake]> shcherbak, listen to turtle, remember he said not to do that.
[01:43] <shcherbak> adante: mysql --version
[01:43] <siso80> jpmh: hmm the permissions and ownership? not sure how to answer question. dont "I" own it
[01:43] <Jpmh> adante: I am not familiar with mysqld but there are many products that specifically will NOT start from root to protect you and the system
[01:43] <SonikkuAmerica> adante: In other words get rid of sudo.
[01:44] <[snake]> and mysqld is not one of them
[01:44] <shcherbak> adante: and drop root, please
[01:44] <Jpmh> siso80: do an ld -l /lib/firmware and tell us the owmnership/group and permissions
[01:44] <ubuntu_> is there any one in here that knows about openvpn
[01:44] <ubuntu_> ?
[01:44] <julian-delphiki> Jpmh, stop arguing. mysql requires root to start.
[01:44] <[snake]> i have it too adante sorry I didn't know that you were already root haha
[01:45] <miksd> siso80: ls -la /lib/ |grep firmware
[01:45] <[snake]> miksd, ooh. I love grep <3 lol
[01:45] <Jpmh> julian-delphiki: as I said - I am not familiar with that product - which is why I said "there are many" - most products that do need it use the suid anyway
[01:45] <julian-delphiki> correct.
[01:46] <julian-delphiki> im not sure how one is not familiar with mysql.
[01:46] <julian-delphiki> its sort of the go-to database.
[01:46] <julian-delphiki> for web apps
[01:46] <[snake]> julian-delphiki, yeah I like it. but one mistake and I'm a troll and wrong about everything :D
[01:47] <Jpmh> julian-delphiki: I run systems that do not need an sql data base - I administer only a few hundred at this time though
[01:47] <siso80> jpmh: when you say do a... do you mean type this ld -l/lib/firmware into the terminal
[01:47] <miksd> siso80: no, type ls -la /lib/ |grep firmware
[01:47] <[snake]> siso80, he misspelt ls but use the grep one. it will get you the correct data
[01:48] <Jpmh> julian-delphiki: yes - I am aware of that - our servers run our own web-aps and we do not use sql - that does not imply that I think there is anything wrong with it though - just don't need it
[01:48] <[snake]> ls -la /lib/firmware/ will list the contents of firmware/ not what you want.
[01:48] <Jpmh> siso80: I do
[01:48] <[snake]> we want permissions of firmware/ not the contents of firmware/
[01:48] <Jpmh> siso80: and really I mean ls -la /;ib/firmware |more
[01:49] <[snake]> i must have a misunderstanding of some sort
[01:49] <Jpmh> siso80: since there MAY be a load of stuff there but the . directory is the one we are interested in
[01:49] <SonikkuAmerica> [ ls -la /lib/firmware | more ]
[01:49] <shcherbak> poor siso80...
[01:49] <miksd> i thought we wanted to know permission of /lib/firmware/
[01:49] <miksd> not whats inside of it
[01:49] <[snake]> yes miksd that's what I thought
[01:50] <[snake]> shcherbak, it's Jpmh wants to insist that I'm a troll and tell everyone I try to help to not accept help from me.
[01:50] <Jpmh> miksd: I agree - we do - I was assuming - and you know what they say abiut assume - that he would realize - hence the change to ls -la and the | more
[01:50] <[snake]> that the person we're helping would realize and change the advice we give him? you are not saying this right?
[01:51] <Mio-chan> [snake]: (responding to:   perhaps it is an input method problem. like maybe wine uses a different one than default.) So, how would I fix that?
[01:51] <Jpmh> siso80: the method will work too - there is always more than one way - the important thing is that we need to know the ownership and permissions of that directory
[01:51] <[snake]> Mio-chan, are you in regular ubuntu desktop environment?
[01:51] <[snake]> or gnome or what?
[01:52] <Jpmh> Mio-chan: if you are using a browser then there is no possible "input method" difference
[01:52] <[snake]> of that directory not the contents of that directory
[01:52] <[snake]> ^^ to siso80 Jpmh
[01:53] <Jpmh> siso80: so either the ls -l /lib|grep firmware or the ls -la /lib/firmware |more will get us what we need if the former then there MAY only be one line, if the latter, the first line
[01:53] <Mio-chan> [snake], I am in Unity/gnome
[01:54] <[snake]> Jpmh, I give up. I must misunderstand. :C
[01:54] <Jpmh> [snake] is correct that the ls -la will give the contents of the directory - but the first entry is the . which is the directory itself
[01:54] <siso80> jpmh: got the list, not sure which one . directory is,  sample line looks like this:         drwxr-xr-x  27 root root 4096 apr 15
[01:55] <she_dyed> usually that dot is first on the list
[01:55] <Jpmh> siso80: is that the info from the first line - does it start with a dot which we can not see here?
[01:55] <[snake]> Mio-chan, go to settings and find input methos
[01:55] <[snake]> methods
[01:55] <siso80> jpmh: yes i see now there is a  .
[01:56] <[snake]> i think I may be getting a lag or something. sorry if I just wrote something twice. as it did not appear to send for me.
[01:56] <Jpmh> siso80: since you say you understand little I will risk being patronizing: the drwxr-xr-x means that it is a directory and that the owner can read/write/xecute - the group can read/exeecute as can all others
[01:57] <Jpmh> siso80: and the root root means that it is owned by the root and the group is root too
[01:57] <Jpmh> siso80: now do an ls -l on the file that you are trying to extract from please
[01:57] <ubuntu_> hi room is there anyone in here that uses openvpn with the abuntu linux
[01:57] <[snake]> Jpmh, wait so what does the . do again?
[01:57] <shcherbak> siso80: cd /lib/firmware/ && sudo touch test;
[01:57] <Mio-chan> Yep, I'm there [snake]
[01:57] <[snake]> i know. but im confused.
[01:58] <siso80> jpmh: you are not patronizing, this is my first day at linux.  i am greatful
[01:58] <Jpmh> [snake]: the first entry in the directoy is . - which is itself - the second is .. which is the directory above it in the tree
[01:59] <[snake]> oh. wait. I had read it and thought it was apart of your command. /lib/firmware/.
[01:59] <[snake]> lol
[01:59] <[snake]> nvm
[01:59] <[snake]> sorry about that
[01:59] <FloodBot1> [snake]: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:59] <[snake]> Mio-chan, now I think it must be an input method drop down list or something.
[01:59] <siso80> jpmh: how do i type the command for my file and the ls -l
[01:59] <Mio-chan> Yep!
[01:59] <Mio-chan> it's currently set to "none"
[02:00] <Jpmh> siso80: did my explanation make sense then - realize that all files have an owner and a group the drwx etc is d rwx XXX XXX etc where the d is the type - d=directory - the first rwx is read/write/execute for owner, the second
[02:00] <[snake]> Mio-chan, oh. what is the options, maybe send in a pm so it is not flooding. I need to stop using enter as puncuation oops.
[02:00] <Jpmh> XXX is for members of the same group and the last is for all others
[02:01] <Jpmh> siso80: the file that you dowloaded is somewhere - I don't know where you put it of course.  Type:  ls -l theFullPathOfWhereYouPutIt
[02:01] <Jpmh> siso80: example:  ls -l  /home/me/Downloads/theFile
[02:06] <Guest77278> Hello, I have a problem with sound
[02:07] <Guest77278> I use HDMI cable, and ATI radeon
[02:07] <[snake]> Guest77278, what is it, be specific. all in one convenient message :P
[02:08] <Kronsby> hello
[02:08] <Guest77278> ok, sorry,  my sound doens work. I click in System and sound, I choose digital, but doesn work. I try change in alsa, but doens work too
[02:09] <julian-delphiki> Guest77278, can you pastebin the output of "aplay -l"
[02:10] <Guest77278> ok
[02:10] <Jpmh> siso80: since not hear more from you I am assuming we are abandoning this - good luck
[02:10] <[snake]> siso80, Jpmh his computer might have froze again.
[02:11] <Guest77278> julian-delphiki,  http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=7Lxqezpp
[02:12] <[snake]> Jpmh, I'd like to hash this out in a query with me and you, but I'm scared. you will misunderstand me in every way possible and say I set up a server with tons of content just to play tricks in some ubuntu support channel.
[02:12] <Jpmh> [snake]: he is still ponging pings so he has not completely frozen
[02:12] <[snake]> oh ok
[02:12] <siso80> jpmh: no my computer didnt freeze. i just cant get the wording right , i keep getting no such file. where you wrote "me" should i right my computers name. the file is in downloads
[02:13] <[snake]> oh
[02:13] <Jpmh> siso80: I suspect you may get that  - that's why you can't extract - there is no such file
[02:13] <[snake]> AH.
[02:13] <[snake]> it makes sense now
[02:13] <[snake]> lol
[02:13] <Jpmh> [snake]: so shoot
[02:15] <siso80> jpmh: ls -l /home/me/downloads/2011.3_dpo_v2
[02:15] <Jpmh> siso80: when you downloaded where did you place file - I assume it asked for a destination - actually how did you download it?
[02:15] <siso80> jpmh: i downloaded from chrome to donload folder
[02:16] <Jpmh> siso80: then it should be in that folder - it it isn't then you put it somewhere else or it did not download and that is why you can't find it
[02:16] <julian-delphiki> Guest77278, okay, "alsamixer -c 2" should give you the mixer for that
[02:17] <julian-delphiki> Guest77278, and from there you can see if it is muted,
[02:17] <[snake]> Jpmh, I have been using my www directory with the owner as my user snake for a while. I was asking orangutan if that was good or bad. jetole said it's ok. thinking I just meant what I told you just now. but my exact words were(and this is what I thought before I checked as I forgot) were that everyone could read/write and everything.
[02:17] <Jpmh> siso80: do you remember what you named the file
[02:18] <julian-delphiki> Guest77278, you can upload a screenshot of that if you want.
[02:18] <siso80> jpmh: no it's there i just cant get wording of query correct because i dont understand linux. like what is the file extension my file is called 2011.3_dpo_v2 ans it is in donwload folder
[02:18] <Twenty-three> hi guys, how do you do? my wubi stopped working so i decided to install 12.04 as a dual boot and migrate wubi to it. I tried it and the wubi-move said that it could not move to /dev/sda5 because it was mounted, am i meant to run the wubi-move from wubi?
[02:18] <julian-delphiki> [snake], having the user as the owner of www is fine, really depends more on what user the server is running as.
[02:18] <Jpmh> [snake]: the www folder that is setup automatically is usually not owned by a regular user - did you change it?
[02:18] <[snake]> Jpmh, THEN he said that I was insecure, why would I do that. oh you just gave us a link after saying "my hostmask protects me"
[02:19] <Guest77278> julian-delphiki,  ok
[02:19] <Jpmh> [snake]: what webserver are you running?  And did the install create that www directory
[02:20] <[snake]> Jpmh, THEN, you came in before I explained that I did not care if people knew my ip. I set up that hostmask a while ago.
[02:20] <[snake]> Jpmh, apache2 made it.
[02:20] <Jpmh> [snake]: apache2 usually makes it owned by apache - did you change it
[02:21] <Guest77278> julian-delphiki, http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5906/capturadetelade20130415.png
[02:21] <[snake]> Jpmh, THEN, you guys had thought since I was asking a question that was so absurd(even though I still at this point forgot that I was simply the owner, it is NOT open to everyone to read/write), that you blamed me for being a troll.
[02:21] <[snake]> Jpmh, I never had an apache group or user.
[02:21] <julian-delphiki> Guest77278, okay, its not muted.
[02:21] <julian-delphiki> Guest77278, now, does the file /etc/asound.conf exist?
[02:21] <Jpmh> [snake]: when you install apache2 it makes the user and the diretory, usually, how did you install it
[02:21] <[snake]> Jpmh, it WAS owned by root. so I had to use the dreaded sudo all the time
[02:22] <julian-delphiki> using sudo is a good idea.
[02:22] <[snake]> jpmh I followed a guide. let me get it.
[02:22] <julian-delphiki> most of the time
[02:22] <wilee-nilee> Twenty-three, So you installed ubuntu on a partition is this correct?
[02:22] <[snake]> julian-delphiki, not when I say it.
[02:22] <[snake]> :/
[02:22] <[snake]> Jpmh,  this is the guide I used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[02:23] <[snake]> the installation created the directory /var/www/ with the owner as root.
[02:23] <[snake]> probably because of sudo apt-get
[02:23] <[snake]> presumably. sorry for flooding. i keep forgeting :(
[02:23] <Twenty-three> wilee-nilee, nice to see you, indeed and followed the instructions for the wubi-move but i'm confused whether it should be run from wubi or from the newly installed 12.04
[02:23] <Guest77278> julian-delphiki, No exist
[02:23] <Twenty-three> nice to see you again*
[02:24] <julian-delphiki> Guest77278, can you make it? (http://pastebin.com/GsRsJCC1) as the content
[02:24] <Jpmh> [snake]: ok - I see that - and then you changed the owner to snake and the permits to 777, yes?
[02:24] <[snake]> Jpmh, the insecure thing that jetole had said was insecure was letting EVERYONE read/write. it is not so, I made that mistake when I was asking the question. I had forgot that I simply chown ed it
[02:25] <[snake]> no 777
[02:25] <[snake]> only chown snake /var/www/
[02:25] <Jpmh> [snake]: I said 777 yes, and you said no 777 - did you change it to 777
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> Twenty-three, I have never done it but you need a partition without ubuntu already in it I believe. It looks like from wubi or a live cd.
[02:26] <siso80> jpmh: i just went into downloads and changed the file name to 2011.  when i ls -l i can see /home but not /home/me/downloads.  is it just home/downloads
[02:27] <Guest77278> julian-delphiki, ok, made
[02:27] <Jpmh> siso80: the /home/me was an example - I do not know where you downloaded it - if just in /home/downloads then do the ls -l on that
[02:27] <[snake]> siso80, use cd to change directories
[02:27] <julian-delphiki> Guest77278, now try playing audio
[02:27] <Twenty-three> wilee-nilee, I tried to do it from a live cd as well, but in there the problem was different, i indicated the path for the wubi and it said i needed to specify the fyle system, if i remember correclty, anyway, since I have installed the 12.04 i guess i ought to format that partition now
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> Twenty-three, You should post on the ubuntu forums the one helper is there daily and get you setup. They have been on here but not often.
[02:28] <wilee-nilee> will get you*
[02:28] <Guest77278> julian-delphiki,
[02:28] <Twenty-three> wilee-nilee, noted, i'll try that when i get home, thanks
[02:28] <Guest77278> doens work
[02:28] <wilee-nilee> Twenty-three, Cool just have wubi in the thread header they will stop by. ;)
[02:28] <shcherbak> siso80: crashcurse in cli? pwd; ls $HOME; cd ~/Downloads; ls -l
[02:29] <shcherbak> siso80: man ls; man man
[02:29] <Guest77278> julian-delphiki,  see this screenshot http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5906/capturadetelade20130415.png
[02:29] <[snake]> shcherbak, haha. wow. see I don't think fast enough for other people but I can do that sort of stuff for my machine. :P
[02:30] <[snake]> like if I want something done. I use cat and grep. and the commands that aren't apt-get you know. cause a friend gave me this book called practical linux
[02:30] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/20105/why-should-var-www-not-have-chmod-777/20110#20110
[02:30] <[snake]> it's dated, but is still very good
[02:31] <julian-delphiki> Guest77278, could try rebooting. im not sure if a service should be restarted or not
[02:31] <shcherbak> dr_willis: bless you, master.
[02:31] <[snake]> dr_willis, i do not have 777 I do not think. let me give the the dwxr---e stuff
[02:31] <Jpmh> dr_willis: as always you amaze me - how you always find this stuff
[02:31] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/19898/whats-the-simplest-way-to-edit-and-add-files-to-var-www/51337#51337
[02:31] <[snake]> yes. that is good. let me check
[02:31] <tomlol> so I just ran the package update and now I have no menus or anything.  is there a way to bring up a term or something?
[02:31] <dr_willis> Jpmh:  quick search on askubuntu.com and sort by 'votes'  ;)
[02:32] <shcherbak> tomlol: Alt-Ctrl-t
[02:32] <tomlol> shcherbak: ty
[02:32] <subcool> anyone familiar with networking on ubuntu?
[02:32] <[snake]> dr_willis, this is my www directories permissions: drwxr-xr-x good or bad?
[02:32] <dr_willis> neatest trick ive seen for allowing a single user full access to  the www stuff is to have the web server look in the users home dir. ;)
[02:32] <[snake]> i unfortunately cannot read them strings
[02:33] <Jpmh> [snake]: we have all been telling you that it is bad to allow other users in there
[02:33] <[snake]> dr_willis, not such a bad idea but I think I'm going to use what that second link said.
[02:33] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/search?tab=votes&q=users%20write%20to%20www
[02:33] <dr_willis> is all i searched for . then sorted by 'votes' ;)
[02:33] <[snake]> Jpmh, others have. you've been calling me a troll with all due respect.
[02:34] <[snake]> :C
[02:34] <Jpmh> [snake]: set the permits to something like 755 so that other can read if you wish as long as apache2 is running as snake, since yu say that is the owner
[02:34] <julian-delphiki> http://www.techytalk.info/enable-userdir-apache-module-ubuntu-debian-based-linux-distributions/
[02:34] <[snake]> Jpmh, ok.
[02:35] <Jpmh> [snake]: if apaches is running as apache then you will need to set the owner to that or set an owner in your httpd.conf file if the system is to wtite to files - if read only then the 755 will work
[02:35] <[snake]> Jpmh, dr_willis gave me a link about making a new user for it. im going to do that.
[02:35] <[snake]> since. why not
[02:36] <[snake]> Jpmh, I believe you also mentioned something about the blog being a problem specifically. or was that someone else?
[02:36] <dr_willis> or I think you can just add the user to the www-whatever group.. but i rarely mess with web servers.. i bet  the #apache channel will  know
[02:36] <Jpmh> [snake]: I actually run my servers with User in the httpd.conf file and the directory for the server specified there and that directory is not /var/www and is owned by the user that I specified the server to run as
[02:37] <[snake]> Jpmh, I'm going to be completely honest. You know how the apache2 documentation say to read the whole thing, and not just reference it?
[02:37] <Mio-chan> Alright guys, I'm back - I'm having issues with logins on websites that redirect, (like Playstation Forum or CNN's live TV which use external logins). I am only having this issue on Ubuntu 12.10, and I have tested throughout multiple browsers.
[02:37] <Jpmh> [snake]: I think that the blog concern is that: a) typically this requires write, since people want to add comments, b) typically they run using mysql and people are not great about patching and so we get a lot of code injection issues
[02:38] <[snake]> Jpmh, Mine is not mysql and there is no comments :D
[02:38] <[snake]> mine is a php include
[02:39] <Jpmh> [snake]: I realize apache is REALLY huge and complicated - I work with it daily - it is a BEAST.  The example sites-enabled files though are a good clue - but if you have only one ap then you can just set the ownership of the directory to the user that apache operates as
[02:39] <[snake]> and I wrote a C program that makes the html file(the blog) that is php included
[02:39] <[snake]> Jpmh, Oh ok.
[02:40] <Jpmh> [snake]: are you saying that your visitors can NOT post?  If so, then I would NOT have the directory owned by the user apache but a different one - that way a rogue piece of code can not write to it
[02:41] <Jpmh> [snake]: have the server run as apache and the directory owned by snake and set as 755 - apache will then be able to read it and only you will be able to write to it  - having said that - without bad code - a user should not be able to write anyway - so this is belt and suspenders if no one else gets access to your machine
[02:41] <_xubuntu_> it there any additional items for xfce panel?
[02:42] <_xubuntu_> like cpufreq, weather
[02:42] <[snake]> Jpmh, I have exactly what you described. so I'm good.
[02:42] <[snake]> :D
[02:43] <Jpmh> [snake]: I thought you said you had the direcvtory read/write for everyone
[02:43] <tomlol> I upgraded via the update manager or w/e, and now it seems like my window manager is crashing.  I don't have any menus.  I can pull up a term, but it doesn't have a title bar.  Every once in a while it pops up something about compiz.  Any thoughts on how to fix?
[02:44] <braiam> have you restarted the pc tomlol?
[02:44] <[snake]> You see, in my huge story earlier, you may have missed it, I say, "The boy forgot a detail. He presumably said it was read/write by everyone, when it was not. Then corrected himself once he checked."
[02:44] <tomlol> braiam: yes
[02:45] <subcool> Someone- anyone.. ubuntu, BRidge.. gateway issue
[02:45] <subcool> please!?
[02:45] <marcelo> julian-delphiki,
[02:46] <Guest68217> julian-delphiki, itś work
[02:46] <[snake]> correction for clarity: *He presumed that it was... and said so.. though he was wrong.
[02:47] <Guest68217> julian-delphiki,  before I reboot, I reinstall de ATI drivers again, but it's work
[02:47] <Jpmh> [snake]: then I think you are reasonably safe - I do note you have an interesting situation with some of the ports so you may want to run behind a router with no PNP and forward ALL ports except 80 to somewhere else - and of course never have anything valuable on a machine that is on the web accepting incoming connections as it must as a server
[02:47] <julian-delphiki> Guest68217, ok
[02:48] <[snake]> Jpmh, it's my sister she has a minecraft server. the rest, 80, 8080, and 443 I think are me.
[02:48] <Jpmh> [snake]: my advice to someone with a low activity blog like that is to place it on one of the many free public servers.  I will not name them here because we do not promote products here
[02:48] <[snake]> ok..
[02:48] <tomlol> braiam: it had me restart when I upgraded, which I assume is a kernel update.  All I can guess at is that I turned on nvidia drivers and it got confused.
[02:49] <Jpmh> [snake]: I am not seeing 443 enabled at this time
[02:49] <Guest68217> julian-delphiki,  Tkank you
[02:49] <Guest68217> thank you julian-delphiki
[02:49] <[snake]> Jpmh, can I use php on these servers? oh. sorry. idk It's an HTTP web port forward template by verizon
[02:50] <[snake]> i thought it had 443
[02:50] <julian-delphiki> np, Guest68217
[02:51] <Jpmh> [snake]: most of them allow php and perl - since it is free I will name one that I have used: memebot - but there are plenty of others that also do not have annoying popups - they just hope you will get big enough that you will need to buy service later
[02:51] <[snake]> thanks for the advice and everything. I'll look for one of these free public servers that you cannot promote, but I do not think that is against the rules or COC but w/e
[02:51] <[snake]> idk. i like my server.
[02:51] <[snake]> its fun
[02:52] <[snake]> goodnight everyone
[02:52] <[snake]> also my server is off at night. cause it's loud. I know I know, servers belong in data centers. XD
[02:53] <tomlol> nah, they belong in the living room.
[02:53] <SonikkuAmerica> tomlol: XD. I could sleep in a data room no problem.
[02:58] <Genyar> testing this chatroom
[02:58] <Genyar> Anyone here?
[02:58] <gizmo> yes
[02:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah.
[02:59] <Genyar> Any computer tech experts here?
[02:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Not I, said the college freshman.
[02:59] <Genyar> ok
[02:59] <[snake]> Genyar im an ameture but i try to help. :D
[02:59] <SonikkuAmerica> But if you state your problem we can try to help XD
[02:59] <Genyar> I"m an amateur, too
[03:00] <Genyar> I have a problem with third party threats
[03:00] <[snake]> Ssh?
[03:00] <Genyar> I'm using Kubuntu 11.04
[03:00] <Genyar> And when I go on Yahoo chess and YouTube using Firefox, I'm getting a third party warning......
[03:01] <[snake]> All in one line next time please, and thankyou :)
[03:01] <shcherbak> What third party warnings?
[03:01] <Genyar> Firefox tells me "You have requested an encrypted page taht contains some unencrypted info, that can be read by a 3rd party easily
[03:02] <[snake]> Oh. I usually ignore that.
[03:02] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, 11.04 is end of life
[03:02] <Genyar> Not helpful, guys
[03:02] <[snake]> Even google has that warning on there page if you do a search
[03:03] <[snake]> Their*
[03:03] <Pinkamena_D> So I am running something with wine and getting a bunch of feedback in the terminal I want ot post on a forum. PRoblem is that even with the scroll buffer set to "unlimited" It does not go back far enough. What would be the command to send the output to a file?
[03:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Genyar: I know it sounds unhelpful, but EOL is EOL.
[03:03] <Genyar> EOL?
[03:03] <gizmo> Pinkamena_D, try wine <program> &> fileName
[03:03] <Pinkamena_D> ok
[03:03] <wilee-nilee> !eol
[03:04] <[snake]> Pinkamena do command | i was gonna say cat but whatever
[03:04] <shcherbak> Genyar: What about other browsers on same pages? And firefox settings?
[03:04] <Pinkamena_D> That worked prefect, thank you!
[03:04] <Genyar> I have Reconq browser, but I don't use it
[03:05] <Genyar> smn told me you can't modify your Firefox settings to rid your third party threats
[03:06]  * wilee-nilee never gets a 3rd party threat warning
[03:06]  * SonikkuAmerica uses Chrome
[03:06] <shcherbak> Genyar: Warning comes from http content embedded into https site, me thinks. chromium handels this quiet in my case on same sites.
[03:06] <DHR> Pinkamena_D: also look at the "script" command.  It captures output in a file and works in more cases.  Type "man script" for the usual manpage.
[03:07] <wilee-nilee> its a flash warning most likely I use noscript
[03:07] <[snake]> I just realized cat is for concatenate :(
[03:07] <[snake]> Lol
[03:08] <Genyar> I don't have Google Chrome installed
[03:08] <wilee-nilee> no cookies saved nor history and a tracking cookie remover
[03:08] <DHR> Genyar: if you are worried about security (as your question suggests), do update ubuntu!  12.04 LTS is good and stable.
[03:08] <Genyar> But I'm afraid to do any more updates with my limited memory
[03:08] <[snake]> How much?
[03:09] <Genyar> I have one big hard drive
[03:09] <Genyar> It stores 466 GiB
[03:09] <Genyar> But the total physical memory is only 270 MiB
[03:09] <SonikkuAmerica> DHR: lol goodnstable :) That it is.
[03:09] <[snake]> Thats good hdd space. But i thought you meant ram. Oh
[03:10] <osubuck_> Genyar, ouch
[03:10] <Genyar> that doesn't make sense to me
[03:10] <[snake]> Only 270 eh?
[03:10] <Genyar> it's an old computer
[03:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Sounds like a jumper issue.
[03:10] <DHR> How do you get a number like 270MiB?  Not exactly a power of two.
[03:10] <Genyar> I have an AMD Athlon 64 processor 3200+
[03:10] <[snake]> Yeah...
[03:11] <[snake]> Genyar is your hdd have bad sectors?
[03:11] <tr0gd0r> Any idea why uptime would say 2 users are logged in, however who shows only 1 user
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> ubuntu would not run with a 1/4 a gig of ram
[03:11] <Genyar> I don't know
[03:11] <nevyn> you're kidding right?
[03:11] <Genyar> My storage size is 466 GiB
[03:12] <osubuck_> storage isn't the concern
[03:12] <SonikkuAmerica> tr0gd0r: Run the [ who ] command.
[03:12] <Genyar> My total physical memory is 1.41 GiB
[03:12] <DHR> Genyar: Athlon 3200 didn't normally ship with RAM that small.
[03:12] <[snake]> Wille its hdd not ram
[03:12] <DHR> Genyar: why did you say 270MiB?
[03:13] <osubuck_> maybe current usage?
[03:13] <Genyar> My free physical memory is about 270 MiB (18%)
[03:13] <nevyn> sigh bloated crud... minimum memory is 334mb and 512Mb for 64bit.
[03:13] <[snake]> Thats his hdd is sometging wrong with your hdd?
[03:13] <Genyar> No, my drive is working
[03:13] <Genyar> As far as I know, but this computer is old
[03:13] <DHR> Genyar: free physical memory is meaningless, as far as I know.  Linux uses otherwise unused space for caching, so the "used" size is always high.
[03:14] <tr0gd0r> SonikkuAmerica: Who only shows one user logged in
[03:14] <[snake]> You are saying you only used 270 mb?
[03:14] <nevyn> http://www.linuxatemyram.com/  is hillarious for that problem.
[03:14] <DHR> Genyar: 1GiB RAM is enough.  I think that 512MiB is enough.
[03:14] <SonikkuAmerica> tr0gd0r: Is it logged in twice, once from ttyX and once from another space?
[03:14] <Genyar> My disk buffers 62.80 MiB
[03:14] <[snake]> 1gb suffice for sure
[03:15] <nevyn> DHR: 12.04 minimum specs say 512
[03:15] <SonikkuAmerica> tr0gd0r: where X is a single-digit integer
[03:15] <tr0gd0r> SonikkuAmerica:
[03:15] <Genyar> My disk cache is 509 MiB
[03:15] <tr0gd0r> root@chi:~# who
[03:15] <tr0gd0r> root     pts/0        Apr 16 06:51 (rofl.typr.org)
[03:15] <tr0gd0r> root@chi:~# uptime
[03:15] <tr0gd0r>  07:14:41 up 14 days,  5:47,  2 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
[03:15] <FloodBot1> tr0gd0r: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:15] <tr0gd0r> sorry FloodBot1 :(
[03:15] <[snake]> Gengar please jusy update. You have enough
[03:15] <shcherbak> tr0gd0r: in terminal: w; and do not flood, use pasebin
[03:16] <SonikkuAmerica> tr0gd0r: (Next time, use the pastebin.) Exit root and see if [ who ] only has 1 user.
[03:16] <Genyar> I have enough free memory?
[03:16] <[snake]> Sorry im on my phone *Genyar *just
[03:16] <[snake]> Yes you do
[03:16] <tr0gd0r> I do not have console access, only ssh
[03:16] <Genyar> But how much RAM do I have: I can't figure it out?
[03:16] <tr0gd0r> [ w ] shows the same info as who
[03:16] <DHR> Genyar: you don't need free memory to update, you only need memory :-)
[03:16] <tr0gd0r> only 1 user listed: root pts/0
[03:16] <SonikkuAmerica> tr0gd0r: I assume, however, that you ran su rather than log in AS root...?
[03:17] <tr0gd0r> SonikkuAmerica: I am logged in directly as root
[03:17] <Genyar> oh, that's good, I have enough memory, mmmmm
[03:17] <DHR> Genyar: "cat /proc/meminfo | head -1"
[03:17] <[snake]> Gengar we will be glad to help you after you update to 12.04 thankyou. :)
[03:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Genyar: or 11.10, support on that is good too, but only for about 3 weeks
[03:18] <[snake]> Oh ok. Might as well do LTS though haha
[03:19] <Genyar> What's the point in updating if Kubuntu 11.04 is dead?
[03:19] <shcherbak> tr0gd0r: is it remote box? netstat and auth.log
[03:19] <DHR> Genyar: "cat /proc/meminfo | head -1" is easier to type
[03:19] <[snake]> To resurrect it.
[03:19] <tr0gd0r> shcherbak: actually just figured it out.  There was a process -bash running as root.  I killed it and its showing the correct info
[03:19] <Genyar> that character after meminfo is not familiar to me
[03:19] <shcherbak> tr0gd0r: or this way
[03:20] <Genyar> It looks like a / or a 1, but not the same
[03:20] <DHR> Genyar: "head -1 /proc/meminfo" is easier to type <== what I meant
[03:20] <[snake]> Genyar it's called 'pipe'
[03:20] <tr0gd0r> shcherbak: actually no it didnt work
[03:20] <tr0gd0r> uggh
[03:20] <Genyar> oh, I see
[03:21] <DHR> Genyar "|" is called "pipe" in shell ("or bar" normally).
[03:21] <fjodor> hey, skype is crashing every few hours. what can i do. 64bit, 12.10. activated partner repositories
[03:21] <subcool> Ok- i keep getting pushed back here,
[03:21] <subcool> so if anyone would like to help with a stupid bridge issue.. Im having issues with a gateway
[03:21] <Genyar> ok, that will help me determine how much RAM memory I have?
[03:22] <shcherbak> Genyar: free; top; htop
[03:22] <osubuck_> for future reference "ram memory" is redundant :P
[03:22] <DHR> Genyar: what does it say?  Mine says "MemTotal:       16434784 kB"
[03:22] <[snake]> subcool i knew i should've studied more networking
[03:23] <subcool> its great stuff
[03:23] <Genyar> Well, I need to go on the Konsole first......
[03:23] <subcool> but my issue with with ubuntu- im sure
[03:24] <[snake]> Genyar, yeah. Do that first haha
[03:24] <shcherbak> Genyar: or, gui system monitor
[03:24]  * SonikkuAmerica resists the urge to puff his chest out and refer to KDE apps with a German accent
[03:24] <Genyar> ok
[03:24] <[snake]> Lol
[03:26] <Genyar> none of those commands worked, DHR
[03:26] <icedwater> I see sn_op is gone :P
[03:26] <subcool> Im running into a ton of guiedes.. i dont get why this is such a hassle for my system.
[03:26] <DHR> Genyar: in what way?  Error message?
[03:26] <Genyar> yes, no such directory
[03:26] <Rsvc> i would like to install ubuntu in my desktop, what do you think about?
[03:27] <[snake]> Rsvc do what you want.
[03:27] <tr0gd0r> Lol now its worse.  Uptime shows 3 users logged in however [ who ] only shows one
[03:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Rsvc: What [snake] said.
[03:27] <shcherbak> tr0gd0r: netstat -tuep
[03:28] <DHR> Genyar: you probably typed something incorrectly.  Can you paste EXACTLY what you typed here?
[03:28] <tr0gd0r> only one ssh session
[03:28] <Genyar> No such file or directory
[03:29] <Genyar> should I change my directory before I try those commands?
[03:29] <DHR> Genyar: not what it typed (although that too is useful because it isn't exactly what you reported), but exactly what YOU typed.
[03:29] <Genyar> head-1/proc/meminfo
[03:29] <Genyar> cat/proc/meminfo
[03:29] <DHR> you are missing some spaces
[03:29] <shcherbak> tr0gd0r: check auth.log and top, most likely uptime holds dropped connections or login attempts, "users"
[03:30] <Genyar> ok, type it here for me, if youplease
[03:30] <Genyar> I'll copy and paste
[03:30] <DHR> Genyar: "head -1 /proc/meminfo" is easier to type <== what I meant
[03:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> suppose I have two scripts, one that records my screen and another that opens a window with my webcam in it. how would I go about creating a script that runs both at the same time?
[03:31] <DHR> script1 & script2
[03:31] <Genyar> oh shit, I'm inthe bash directory, let me check sth.....
[03:31] <DHR> Genyar: current directory doesn't make a difference
[03:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> DHR: ah! so a single & would do it, where & would only do one after the other completes properly?
[03:32] <Genyar> ok, I'm in the right directory......I'll try it again....
[03:32] <shcherbak> ntzrmtthihu777: via cron or at?
[03:32] <Genyar> okay, ......it worked
[03:32] <h00k> Genyar: please keep the language appropriate
[03:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> shcherbak: on command. I record my screen with a python script, and mplayer does the webcamming. I just want to combine them for screen casting purposes.
[03:33] <Genyar> 1477044 KB total memory
[03:33] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> System Memory: Free: 13.15 GB; Used: 2.85 GB; Total: 16.00 GB; — [❙❙❙|❙❙❙❙❙❙❙❙❙]
[03:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> Genyar: gimme some! >3<
[03:33] <DHR> Genyar: plenty for 12.04 LTS, my recommendation.
[03:34] <[snake]> :D
[03:34] <SonikkuAmerica> :D
[03:34] <DHR> LTS means fewer updates required.  Better tested.  Just a little less exciting.
[03:34] <shcherbak> ntzrmtthihu777: /j #bash is best advice here, since you asks for multithreading which do not exist in bash
[03:34] <she_dyed> ntzrmtthihu777: when your second command is mplayer, hit CTL-Z
[03:34] <she_dyed> and bg to background both
[03:34] <Genyar> What about all the applications and updates I already installed for Kubuntu 11.04?
[03:35] <DHR> bash has multiprocessing.  Who needs threads?
[03:35] <[snake]> It should stay Genyar
[03:35] <Genyar> Wow
[03:35] <Genyar> So, you mean I should update my Kubuntu to 11.04?
[03:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Genyar: YES. 11.04 no longer gets updates.
[03:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> DHR: me I gues.
[03:36] <Genyar> I mean from 11.04 to 12.04?
[03:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Genyar: Yes, 11.04 > 11.10 > 12.04
[03:36] <[snake]> Yes
[03:36] <DHR> Genyar: Ubuntu does pretty good updates.  There is a little risk, for sure.  I used to do a clean install each time, but I've gotten lazy: update is easier.
[03:36] <[snake]> Update
[03:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> I have a python script and an mplayer command I need to execute at the same time and end at the same time.
[03:36] <Genyar> Mmmm, what's this about 11.10?
[03:37] <Genyar> You said update to 12.04, right?
[03:37] <DHR> "Yes, 11.04 > 11.10 > 12.04" is quite wrong
[03:37] <she_dyed> ntzrmtthihu777: that way your terminal is freed for more commands
[03:37] <osubuck_> Genyar, the text you're reading here doesn't go away after you read it
[03:37] <[snake]> ntzrm use pythonscrpt.py && mplayer
[03:37] <theboythatlived> hi
[03:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> she_dyed: actually I should like to be able to keyboard interrupt it once I'm done.
[03:38] <DHR> && isn't at all like &.  It is wrong for this purpose.
[03:38] <theboythatlived> im having computer problems
[03:38] <theboythatlived> im using xubintu
[03:38] <SonikkuAmerica> !details | theboythatlived
[03:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> [snake]: and the script after && will not execute unless the first one executes properly, and then only after.
[03:38] <SonikkuAmerica> theboythatlived: #xubuntu is the place to go !!
[03:38] <she_dyed> replace the CTl z with ctl C to interrupt
[03:38] <[snake]> Oh wait sorry
[03:39] <[snake]> (Pytgonscript &) mplayer i think
[03:39] <theboythatlived> there are tons of certian things that i cant  click on
[03:39] <[snake]> :(  &
[03:39] <theboythatlived> sry that took me a long time to put in there
[03:39] <shcherbak> ntzrmtthihu777: nohup, for mpayer and console for pyton script to be able to interupt?
[03:39] <shcherbak> mplayer*
[03:39] <[snake]> BWAH. I think ots just one & no parentheses
[03:40] <MestreLion> if I install new desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications, why dash requires a log out and back in to show them? shouldn't update-desktop-database be enough to refresh it?
[03:40] <Genyar> How many MB is 1,477,044 KB?  is that my RAM memory?  What does that number represent?
[03:40] <DHR> [snake]: Kind of like I said in the first place.
[03:40] <theboythatlived> somne things i can click on at times and i can click on at others
[03:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> shcherbak: suppose I have a bash script that executes both commands, would the & do it and allow me to interrupt the script?
[03:40] <shcherbak> Genyar: roughly 1GB
[03:40] <DHR> Genyar: MiB = 1024 KiB
[03:40] <Genyar> I miss the days when 1 MB was exactly 1,024 KB
[03:41] <[snake]> DHR sorry. I didn't see yours.
[03:41] <theboythatlived> and my mind is going really slow so ill type in something in then ill stop in the middle or forget to submit it
[03:41] <MestreLion> Genyar: 1 MiB is still exactly 1024 KB
[03:41] <[snake]> It is genyar :( what are you talking about?
[03:41] <shcherbak> ntzrmtthihu777: no, & sends to background, folks in #bash channel will sort you out in seconds
[03:41] <Genyar> No, I think one MIB is 1,000 KB and one MB is 1024 KB
[03:42] <theboythatlived> my mouse works just fine though
[03:42] <MestreLion> Genyar: the opposite
[03:42] <MestreLion> Genyar: and it's MiB, not MIB
[03:42] <dr_willis> MarketingBytes :)
[03:42] <DHR> Genyar: MIB is nothing.  MiB is 1024 * 1024 B
[03:42] <theboythatlived> and i cant figure out what virsion im running
[03:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> DHR: MIB is Men In Black
[03:43] <theboythatlived> i cant currently click on anything except things inside this program
[03:44] <theboythatlived> now i cant click on anything
[03:44] <MestreLion> Genyar: and you shouldn't miss the days where IT people hijacked SI prefixes used for centuries to mean 1000 and "determined" they would now mean 1024
[03:44] <DHR> lots of people's problems are vague, so they are hard to help.  My problem is less vague but I can't get help.
[03:44] <theboythatlived> well i can do the mass select thing
[03:45] <[snake]> DHR What is it again?
[03:45] <theboythatlived> but everything there is to select is covers by irc chat
[03:45] <DHR> I've got a problem with cheese (the program, not the food).  On precise.  So I want the debug symbols.  So I add software sources as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash.  But sudo apt-get install cheese-dbgsym fails.  It looks as if the repo's don't have dbgsym for the latest cheese.  Is that normal?  Is that a bug?  Am I confused?
[03:46] <theboythatlived> is cheese in the software center you might want to look there
[03:46] <[snake]> Just go get dgbsym and compile it I'd say.
[03:46] <[snake]> It might be normal umfortunately :(
[03:46] <Genyar> ok, so 1 MiB is 1,024 KB?
[03:47] <[snake]> Genyar it barely matters. it is greater than 512 mb so its good
[03:47] <MestreLion> Genyar: K is 1000, as in kilogram, kilometer. How dare IT folks use the *same* unit to express 1024, just because it is convenient? It was wrong! That's why Ki Mi Ti was created
[03:47] <theboythatlived> so has anyone seen anythijng like that before?
[03:47] <DHR> Genyar: 1024 and 1000 is close enough for purposes of sizing for installation.  RAM is always in MiB or GiB.  Except...
[03:47] <theboythatlived> cause its messing up my computer
[03:48] <Genyar> Yeah, we're niggling over kilobytes
[03:48] <theboythatlived> ill look somewhere else
[03:48] <theboythatlived> oh wait i cant click anywhere
[03:48] <[snake]> Just update already Genyar lol
[03:48] <Genyar> but when I looked up memory facts on Wikipedia, I got confused, and my old assumptions about memory were upset
[03:48] <[snake]> theboythatlived. Just reboot
[03:48] <theboythatlived> tryd that
[03:49] <DHR> I started on decimal machines so 20K digits was 20,000 digits.  And Atari named their models based on decimal numbers (130XE, 520ST, 1040ST).
[03:49] <theboythatlived> over and over and over
[03:49] <theboythatlived> its really weird
[03:49] <subcool> someone- networking.. please
[03:49] <[snake]> theboythatlived. Shutdown. Wait 8 seconds. Then keep it off and dont come back. :C
[03:49] <MestreLion> DHR: because decimal numbers are used by humanity for millenia :P
[03:49] <she_dyed> theboythatlived: try a different mouse
[03:49] <[snake]> That was mean im sorry
[03:50] <duhamel> hello all, I had some 404 errors when running: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sun-java-community-team/sun-java6/
[03:50] <Genyar> But I like the old system that is based on the binary system for computing, it's very easy to calculate
[03:50] <she_dyed> theboythatlived: see if changing mouse improves or not
[03:50] <theboythatlived> but the mouse works fine it will do the mass select thing it just wont work anywhere else
[03:50] <Genyar> oh yeah, the old system uses the terms KiB and MiB to refer to binary
[03:50] <MestreLion> Genyar: the "old" system still exists, it was renamed to Ki Mi Gi so not to hijack an even older standard :P
[03:50] <theboythatlived> ill try it
[03:51] <duhamel> it all works now i used apt-get but my problem is that when i apt-get update it is showing the packages that failed and i was wondering if there was any way to easily clean it up in terminal.
[03:51] <Genyar> yes, that makes sense
[03:51] <MestreLion> Genyar: where K = 1000 since the greek
[03:51] <ejv> None of this is directly Ubuntu support related; you can discuss units of measurement in #ubuntu-offtopic .
[03:51] <[snake]> Genyar you're updating currently right? :D
[03:51] <duhamel> maybe -autoclean?
[03:51] <DHR> Genyar: my memory is 1000000000000000000000000000000000 bytes (in binary)
[03:51] <Genyar> that means I have to stop referring to 1 MB as 1,024 KB
[03:51] <DHR> I don't actually think that is easier
[03:52] <ejv> !offtopic
[03:52] <ejv> DHR, Genyar, ^
[03:52] <duhamel> or where i would look for ppa downloads that haven't been installed?
[03:52] <Genyar> rather one MiB is 1,024 KiB, right?
[03:52] <MestreLion> Genyar: correct
[03:52] <theboythatlived> nvm i dont have another moyuse currantly avalible
[03:53] <MestreLion> Genyar: but the "old" (and wrong) system can still be used in specific, non-ambiguous context
[03:53] <theboythatlived> actually i do
[03:53] <MestreLion> as in when talking about RAM size :P
[03:54] <Genyar> ^, what does that symbol mean?
[03:54] <[snake]> Carrot: ^
[03:54] <julian-delphiki> means to read up
[03:54] <MestreLion> where, unlike HDD, will always measure in 1024
[03:54] <[snake]> Yeah
[03:54] <[snake]> Read up
[03:54] <MestreLion> Genyar: it means "pay attention to the line where I said this measument talk is offtopic" :P
[03:55] <_unreal_> why does every one say (read up) when english is written TOP to BOTTOM
[03:55] <Genyar> you mean I should be updating now?
[03:55] <theboythatlived> whee
[03:56] <Genyar> Don't I need to close all my applications and backup my registry and files, before I update to 12.04?
[03:56] <MestreLion> _unreal_: that's precisely the reason... up = previously written
[03:56] <DHR> Genyar: it means that you and I should not waste IRC characters discussing MiB vs MB because that isn't a UBUNTU thing.
[03:56] <_unreal_> play on words ;)
[03:56] <theboythatlived> it worked but hgow?
[03:56] <theboythatlived> i could do other things with that mouse
[03:56] <theboythatlived> but just not everything
[03:57] <Genyar> ok, DHR, thanks for your help
[03:57] <she_dyed> theboythatlived: a different mouse now?
[03:57] <theboythatlived> yes!
[03:57] <theboythatlived> but it dosent make any sense
[03:57] <MestreLion> How can I refresh the dash to show .desktop files I've just installed into ~/.local/share/applications?
[03:57] <theboythatlived> because i could click with that mouse
[03:58] <Genyar> ugh, now I need to figure out how to back up my registry and personal files, before I update to 12.04
[03:58] <she_dyed> theboythatlived: maybe the other mouse needed some more tweaking, and the button was not being detected correctly so it highklighted the irc chat
[03:58] <theboythatlived> but just not everywhere always
[03:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> MestreLion: no clue, they always show up immediatly in my gnome menu
[03:58] <DHR> Genyar: "registry" is a Windows concept, not Linux.
[03:58] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: gnome menu? I mean the dash in unity
[03:58] <Genyar> damn, I knew youwould say that, DHR, sorry
[03:58] <ro9> hello
[03:58] <Morpheaus> DHR: yah - we now have gconf...
[03:59] <DHR> Morpheaus: quite :-(
[03:59] <ro9> any one using i3 with 12.04
[03:59] <Morpheaus> about the same imo
[03:59] <theboythatlived> well see you later
[03:59] <MestreLion> Genyar: Deja Dup, or rsync, or unison or... oh, so many options
[03:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> MestreLion: yes, and I understood that. I'm merely stating it refreshes imediatly in my menu, so I don't see why it would not in your dash.
[03:59] <[snake]> Gengar just put your files on dropbox. But they should still be thete after update
[04:00] <[snake]> No need to back up except if you just want to for saftey.
[04:00] <Genyar> I I have a Windows XP computer with way more memory and processing speed
[04:00] <DHR> Repeat: Genyar: Ubuntu does pretty good updates.  There is a little risk, for sure.  I used to do a clean install each time, but I've gotten lazy: update is easier.
[04:00] <ro9> i'm tring to get the theme working in i3
[04:00] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: I think it is a dash bug... it does refresh for software I install via .deb / software center, but not for user-only software installed to ~/.local
[04:00] <Genyar> and I have a huge external backup drive for personal files
[04:01] <[snake]> No need. Update, :D
[04:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> MestreLion: gtk-update-icon-cache, give that a shot. you may have to sudo it.
[04:01] <[snake]> Pleaase, we're begging.
[04:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> Genyar: best option is to have a separate /home partition.
[04:02] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: I can try, but sudo is not an option... I'm installing it to ~/.local for that reason :P
[04:03] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: and the dash shows the launchers if I log out and back in... But I wanted it to show in the same session
[04:04] <MestreLion> All I need is a way to tell Unity/Dash: hey, there are new files in ~/.local/share/applications, please refresh!
[04:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> MestreLion: you're not a sudoer, then?
[04:04] <[snake]> Must sleep Gengar. Good luck updating I guess
[04:05] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: I am, but there is no point to use admin priviledes to make menu refresh
[04:05] <MestreLion> nor I want to require so just for the convenience of not logging out and back in
[04:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> actually as part of post-installation (which requires sudo) the command I gave is called.
[04:06] <ro9> any tip on using i3
[04:06] <MestreLion> it looks like Unity/Dash is not updating itself when I use update-desktop-database or update-mime-database
[04:06] <faclom> hey guys.. is it normal to download packages in PPA?
[04:07] <MestreLion> faclom: define "normal"
[04:07] <Morpheaus> faclom: normal?
[04:07] <Morpheaus> heh
[04:07] <faclom> MestreLion: safe, suggested, etc
[04:07] <SonikkuAmerica> faclom: If they are in your software sources and they are hit or gotten from a [ sudo apt-get update ], yes,
[04:07] <Morpheaus> faclom: adding a PPA to download packages?
[04:07] <SonikkuAmerica> !ppa | But
[04:07] <MestreLion> faclom: it all depends on how much you trust the host
[04:08] <Flannel> faclom: Any arbitrary person can make a PPA and put whatever they want in them.  So it's no different than downloading random software from the internet.
[04:08] <faclom> beacuse i need to get a catalyst 13.1 driver for my videocard.
[04:08] <faclom> :(
[04:08] <MestreLion> faclom: that one you can download directly from AMD
[04:08] <faclom> MestreLion: hmm I had many problems installing it manually
[04:08] <Morpheaus> faclom: it's not as "tested" as the ubuntu releases (main) - you can always add the PPA, try the package, and if it fails, remove it and then remove the PPA - as always _back up your system_ before making major changes if you use it constantly
[04:09] <faclom> I will try agian then
[04:09] <Morpheaus> faclom: I would generally trust a PPA before a manual make && make install...
[04:10] <MestreLion> faclom: only install PPA from people you trust... I, for example, have some PPAs from original upstream authors, like wine, deluge, etc, those are as "safe" as the upstream software
[04:10] <faclom> hmm
[04:10] <she_dyed> oh make/make install is not for everyone
[04:10] <Morpheaus> faclom: with apt - you have options to uninstall - not all make packages or bin files have an uninstall
[04:11] <cschneid> Are there any good articles on hardening an ubuntu server install? What kinds of things should I do? (fail2ban and beyond)
[04:11] <MestreLion> faclom: but AMD keeps so PPA... and specially when concerning a proprietary video card driver, I would not trust anyone but AMD and Ubuntu
[04:11] <Morpheaus> faclom: I use the xorg-edgers PPA so I can use the nvidia 319 drivers - any bug I have has to go to that PPA team, but it's _way_ better then install the nvidia 319 binary package
[04:11] <faclom> Morpheaus: cool i was planning to use that one
[04:11] <MestreLion> faclom: I mean AMD keeps NO ppa
[04:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> Morpheaus: and I use the webupd8 java to keep my oracle java up to date in the same fashion
[04:12] <Morpheaus> faclom: make sure to do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade after adding xorg-edgers - mesa packages are newer in this release
[04:12] <faclom> so it seems like i have 2 options?  ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa  or manual install
[04:12] <Morpheaus> ntzrmtthihu777: yep - there are definite benefits to external PPA's, but YMMV
[04:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> YMMV?
[04:13] <Morpheaus> faclom: yep - like I said, I generally try to use PPA's as they integrate with DKMS and Ubuntu standards better then an external package
[04:13] <MestreLion> faclom: yes, these 2 are the most common option... a 3rd option could be to wait for 13.1 to go into ubuntu's fglrx -post-update or -experimental branch
[04:13] <Morpheaus> ntzrmtthihu777: your mileage may vary
[04:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> ah, gotcha.
[04:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> I think a ruby ppa like the java one is sorely needed :P
[04:14] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: Java 7 is in the repositories
[04:15] <MestreLion> and OpenJDK 7 is considered by Oracle itself the reference implementation
[04:15] <nish> hi
[04:15] <CameronNemo> hey
[04:15] <Morpheaus> Ubuntu installs the OpenJDK iirc - you need to add the PPA for the java team for the Oracle binaries
[04:15] <faclom> alright
[04:15] <MestreLion> Morpheaus: my point is the Oracle binaries are not needed for java 7
[04:15] <Morpheaus> OpenJDK != SunJDK
[04:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> MestreLion: not oracle java. one of the programs I use refuses to function under openjdk, and yes, i had stated earlier that I had added said ppa
[04:15] <faclom> i will try to manuall install once again.. if i cant resolve it.. i will go for the ppa
[04:16] <nish> anyone on here!!!!!!!!!!11
[04:16] <Morpheaus> nish: nope
[04:16] <MestreLion> nish: don't ask to ask, just ask
[04:16] <Morpheaus> !ask | nish
[04:16] <nish> k
[04:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Morpheaus: SunJDK == ClosedJDK
[04:17] <MestreLion> faclom: still there?
[04:17] <yahyaa> i have a macbook pro with kubuntu 12.10 installed on it, but it won't load properly, it heeps throwing me to GNU GRUB any ideas
[04:17] <Morpheaus> SonikkuAmerica: yep :) - sorry - I'm not opposed to proprietary but I see the benefits to both open source and proprietary - I code for a living and love sharing my stuff - but that doesn't feed my family...
[04:18] <MestreLion> faclom: check this: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[04:18] <MestreLion> detailed steps on how to manually install the AMD driver
[04:18] <Morpheaus> SonikkuAmerica: product is so much easier to sell the services - working 80 hours a week for something that you gave away as opposed to building something to sell as a polished product but is closed - it's hard to not consider this...
[04:19] <_xubuntu_> what is compiz?
[04:19] <SonikkuAmerica> !compiz
[04:19] <MestreLion> Morpheaus: ntzrmtthihu777 : ideologies apart, my point is openjdk is now "THE" official java, stated by oracle itself... so no software should require oracle's java, unless its buggy
[04:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Morpheaus: Good point.
[04:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> MestreLion: yes, true this may be, but the software I use to run my D&D games does not operate under openjdk as of yet
[04:20] <MestreLion> and, in my experience, most software that claims to work "only with sun's java"  actually work fine in openjdk
[04:21] <MestreLion> Minecraft being a good example..
[04:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> MestreLion: nope, I've tried this one XD
[04:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> hmm, but perhaps they have made changes lately.
[04:21] <MestreLion> where every tutorial says it ***requires*** sun's java 6 and yet it runs perfectly on openjdk 7 :P
[04:22] <SonikkuAmerica> I know of a couple homebrew trinkets that don't.
[04:23] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: Now that OpenJDK is the reference implementation for Java 7, soon most java software will be tested on it (and thus support it)
[04:23] <MestreLion> this was a recent move, a few months ago, so it will only affect active software
[04:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> MestreLion: true. but like I said, last time I tried with openjdk it failed badly.
[04:24] <MestreLion> and requiring Sun's java will be as corner case as a website that "requires IE"
[04:25] <MestreLion> (even if some still do :P)
[04:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, lol. I'm sure if what you state is the case they will get it working on openjdk. personally I would enjoy it if they could.
[04:26] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: it all depends on how active is your software
[04:27] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: check this: https://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/moving_to_openjdk_as_the
[04:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> interesting :D open source is always good. even if I can run some closed source software on my box with wine I still prefer open source when possible.
[04:33] <MestreLion> I avoid non-hardware-related closed source as much as I can... and I'm glad Ubuntu can be as free as it gets, Skype and Flash being an (unavoidable) exception
[04:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> yup
[04:41] <MestreLion> so, guys, anyone familiar with  Unity/Dash cis able to tell me how can I refresh it after insalling new .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications ?
[04:41] <MestreLion> currently it only shows the new apps if I log out and go back in
[04:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> MestreLion: did you even try my suggestion?
[04:43] <white_magic> hey guys, what is the best way to share dirs with windows hosts on Lubuntu?
[04:43] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: yes, it didn't work :(
[04:44] <Morpheaus> MestreLion: I'll try - pkill -f unity-applications-daemon && /usr/lib/unity-lens-applications/unity-applications-daemon
[04:44] <Morpheaus> MestreLion: first non-sudo and then as sudo
[04:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> quite frankly I found unity to be far too much of a pita to deal with. I lurv my gnome-menu :D
[04:45] <subcool> anyone- ubuntu networking- please
[04:45] <Morpheaus> !ask | subcool
[04:45] <MestreLion> ntzrmtthihu777: yes, gnome-men shows new user applications when they are created in ~/.local/share/applications. Alacarte is showing them, but Dash isn't
[04:45] <lostxtsol> hello
[04:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> MestreLion: yes, I am aware of that. I was just stating my personal preference.
[04:46] <MestreLion> I assumed dash would work the same way
[04:47] <Morpheaus> MestreLion: did you try my post above?
[04:47] <olmedo> hola
[04:47] <Morpheaus> I'll = I'd btw
[04:47] <subcool> Morpheaus, - im not asking to ask... but since ur listening
[04:48] <Morpheaus> subcool: yes <braces>
[04:48] <dolmmc> aja probando
[04:48] <subcool> what do you know of when it comes to bridging, and ubuntu
[04:48] <subcool> im hvaing an issue with my bridge- and i dont know why
[04:48] <ubuntuaddicted> hi guys, what is the command if I want to have my mythbuntu start up fully but just NO window manager. i only want a tty1 session to log into via command line only
[04:48] <subcool> it appears to be a type of gateway issue, but it could be anything ....
[04:49] <Morpheaus> subcool: so - you're trying to bridge two different subnets?  You can ping to one but not the other?
[04:49] <subcool> br0 has an IP, and can communcate within network, but not out of network. - WHen the computer messes up and gives eth0 an IP, then i can communicate to the interenet
[04:50] <Morpheaus> subcool: ya - because eth0 has a gateway for external addresses that are not routed through br0
[04:50] <subcool> Morpheaus, no- just creating a simple bridge...
[04:50] <guest23561> hi all i have a hp laptop with 10.04lts on it and amd trying to get my sd card reader working it is not seeing my card or reder i don't believe
[04:50] <subcool> Morpheaus, so whats the issue? - the bridge is setup with the gateway
[04:50] <lostxtsol> So, heh, heres the awesome thing I did... I changed lightdm.conf for autologin, by adding the lines: autologin-user=<USERNAME> and autologin-user-timeout=0 and of course i changed it tot he actual username and now i get a light dm interface fail on boot... i just need help backing off of this change
[04:51] <_unreal_> guest23561, have you rebooted at all?
[04:51] <guest23561> yes serveral times _unreal_
[04:51] <_unreal_> ok
[04:51] <_unreal_> do you have GPARTED installed?
[04:51] <ubuntuaddicted> i want to make my computer NOT boot a window manager
[04:52] <Morpheaus> subcool: whey are you creating a bridge?  for qemu
[04:52] <guest23561> yes and looked to see if it showed up there alsoand no _unreal_
[04:52] <subcool> Morpheaus, im creating a VPN- nearly every other guide has this process. which is really getting to me..
[04:52] <_unreal_> ?
[04:52] <_unreal_> I kind of lost ya there?
[04:52] <_unreal_> you DO or dont have gparted installed?
[04:52] <subcool> Morpheaus, http://www.slsmk.com/installing-openvpn-on-ubuntu-server-12-04/
[04:53] <guest23561> _unreal_, i have gparted installed and i opened it and it doesn't show up there either
[04:53] <_unreal_> did you have an SD card in the reader?
[04:53] <Morpheaus> subcool: ok - that helps - bridging to me means two different things - virtual bridging (i.e. vmware vnet adapter bridge), and multiple segnment joining
[04:53] <guest23561> _unreal_, yes
[04:54] <_unreal_> the next thing to look at is: lspci
[04:54] <_unreal_> is your usb reader an internal USB or pci device?
[04:54] <_unreal_> lspci or lsusb
[04:54] <_unreal_> see if the reader show's up
[04:55] <subcool> Morpheaus, yeah, the whole VM thing has changed things.
[04:55] <guest23561> _unreal_, Microdia
[04:55] <Morpheaus> subcool: you entered in the gateway on the interfaces file in the br0 section - right?
[04:55] <_unreal_> you have a microdia card reader?
[04:55] <_unreal_> is it USB or PCI
[04:56] <guest23561> _pci
[04:56] <_unreal_> ok
[04:56] <subcool> Morpheaus, yeah, hold on- ill pastebin it again
[04:56] <guest23561> _unreal_, is that it the Microdia
[04:57] <_unreal_> I dont know the "command" off the top of my head to see if the dirver is loaded for it.
[04:57] <subcool> Morpheaus, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711964
[04:57] <_unreal_> What does: lspci report to you in regards to microdia?
[04:57] <Morpheaus> subcool: that's the first step - the next step is to determine the metric of each gateway - it may be that Ubuntu is putting the gateway of the eth0 below that of br0 which gives eth0 priority with traffic (while using the routes established by the system)
[04:58] <ubuntuaddicted> don't I change runlevel
[04:58] <guest23561> _unreal_, i found that with lsusb command
[04:58] <ubuntuaddicted> or something to prevent the login manager and window manager from starting?
[04:59] <_unreal_> I asked you before if it was USB or PCI and you said PCI.
[04:59] <Morpheaus> subcool: can you pastebin the results from - sudo route
[04:59] <_unreal_> ok so its an internal USB device?
[04:59] <guest23561> _unreal_, don't see it with lspci and yes sorry
[05:00] <Morpheaus> subcool: and more specifically - can you pastebin the results when it's not working and then when it's working as well?
[05:00] <guest23561> _unreal_, yes it is built in the laptop
[05:00] <Morpheaus> subcool: this would at least tell you what interface 0.0.0.0 traffic is being directed to, which is usually added by the gateway setup in the system
[05:01] <Morpheaus> subcool: whether windows, linux, bsd, et cetera
[05:01] <subcool> Morpheaus, i dont think i can do both- working and not working- but ill provide what i can
[05:01] <Morpheaus> subcool: when you reboot it's not working - right?
[05:02] <Morpheaus> subcool: or is it just with the address assignment to br0?
[05:02] <Morpheaus> subcool: so you could re-create it in both scenarios - the route will tell us where traffic is directed and on what interface - as a temporary measure we could possibly create a bash script to mitigate the issue as you dig deeper...
[05:03] <subcool> Morpheaus, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5712273
[05:03] <Morpheaus> subcool: when system is working as expected, or not?
[05:03] <_unreal_> guest23561, I'm about to go to bed 1am.. I'm not 100 % sure how to fix your problem. if your SD card reader use to work. then its out of my skill. at this point its really out of my skills regardless
[05:04] <MestreLion> Morpheaus: thanks for the tip about restarting the applications daemon... seems a lot less intrusive than unity --replace
[05:04] <subcool> Morpheaus, the computer works when it wants to- so i cant put it into the situation to work.
[05:04] <Morpheaus> MestreLion: np - worked a bit better?
[05:04] <guest23561> _unreal_, never worked firsttime i ever tried it
[05:04] <Morpheaus> subcool: ic - never a fun issue - if you can get it to (with possibly a reboot)? you can then at least put the contents to a file and then post it on pastebin...
[05:05] <subcool> Morpheaus, thats the thing, i can access it via LAN, but It has no WAN access. SO- im remoted into it right now. But- it can not access the internet
[05:05] <MestreLion> Morpheaus: I'm not sure yet if it worked... turned out with *my user* dash is refreshing fine already... but when I try to install as a fresh new user, dash doesn't
[05:06] <Morpheaus> right now - traffic that is outside of specific segments looks to be forwarding to br0 at 192.168.2.1 - I'm assuming this is what you use as 192.168.1.x was used in the example URL that you posted...
[05:07] <Morpheaus> subcool: that may be a firewall related rule then (or possibly openvpn) - have you tried googling open vpn does not allow outbound when connecting?
[05:07] <subcool> Morpheaus, nope-
[05:07] <subcool> im not sure i even have a fireall
[05:07] <subcool> yeah, no firewall
[05:07] <d1gital> I'm trying to run insmod from a C program with execv, and it returns "unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter".  Simply running insmod on the very same module from my shell works without error.  Does insmod depend on any environment variable?  Why doesn't it work when I call it directly from my program?
[05:07] <subcool> its a pretty fresh install, not much on it yet
[05:08] <d1gital> Here's my code.  http://pastebin.ca/2360534
[05:08] <Morpheaus> subcool: ok - if you were at the physical console right now - do you know if it would allow outbound access?
[05:08] <subcool> I can not ping outbound
[05:09] <subcool> Morpheaus, i stand corrected
[05:09] <subcool> i just pinged 8.8.8.8
[05:09] <subcool> so its a DNS issue???
[05:10] <Morpheaus> subcool: just to be clear - right now you have remotely connected to this computer (you stated you remoted to it above) - you are not at the physical console of the machine trying this and are logged in via ssh or something else...right?
[05:11] <subcool> Morpheaus, correct,
[05:11] <subcool> and your right.. it appears to be more of a DNS issue
[05:11] <Morpheaus> subcool: could be - if there are no dns servers you couldn't resolve names, but you should still be able to ping ip addresses (DNS is not needed for direct ip addresses - just for name resolution)
[05:12] <Godel> Hi,  I have a very simple question regarding variable names in Ubuntu. I have a problem with fanctrol. Basically the name of the sensor device changes every time I boot my computer. I found this article which I think solves the problem, but the variable names don't match the environment variable names in Ubuntu: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=80012
[05:12] <InFlames> can anyone tell me how i can reduce the space taken up in my root partition?
[05:12] <yitz_> InFlames: delete files
[05:12] <yitz_> InFlames: or uninstall stuff. Or delete cached data
[05:12] <subcool> so then why would i be DNS blocked.. i have to include DNS in the bridge?
[05:12] <InFlames> yitz_, i have run bleach it and removed unneeded kernels, i still have 400mb free
[05:12] <InFlames> and it's a 10gb partition
[05:13] <InFlames> bleachbit*
[05:13] <an0n> What is the ideal size for root partition in Ubuntu 12.04?
[05:13] <InFlames> i thought 10gb, but that's what i've maxed
[05:14] <ubuntuaddicted> can anyone help me with changing the run levels of my login manager and window manager so they don't start?
[05:14] <ubuntuaddicted> an0n, i would use 20GB
[05:15] <yitz_> I use 4GB
[05:15] <InFlames> yitz_, how can i free up space?
[05:15] <yitz_> InFlames: uninstall shit and clean out your cache directory. Is your /home mounted seperately?
[05:15] <yitz_> InFlames: by removing files that consume space
[05:15] <Morpheaus> subcool: it looks like the metric on the br0 is messed up - basically - 192.168.2.0 traffic has a higher priority then the gateway - take a look at mine and you'll see the difference - the 0.0.0.0 with my gateway has a lower metric then the subnet I have (10.0.1.1): http://paste.ubuntu.com/5712285/
[05:15] <an0n> ubuntuaddicted: How much space is occupied?
[05:16] <InFlames> yitz_, home is separate, and i don't know what files i can remove
[05:16] <Morpheaus> subcool: this means that traffic is being directed with a priority to 0.0.0.0 which forwards it to the gateway
[05:16] <ubuntuaddicted> InFlames, you can most likely remove a lot of log files from /var/log/
[05:16] <yitz_> InFlames: /var/cache tends to be cached stuff you can remove. Try running the apt-get command that clears out cached package files
[05:16] <ubuntuaddicted> InFlames, you could also configure logrotate.conf so it doesn't save as many log files to begin with
[05:17] <InFlames> hmm
[05:17] <InFlames> i will look into that
[05:17] <Morpheaus> subcool: you need to change the metric on the gateway for "default" to 0, and then set your 192.168.2.0 to 9 like in my example
[05:17] <lostxtsol> ok i figured out i can use the live cd to get in and edit the lightdm.conf file, but i cant save it
[05:17] <subcool> Morpheaus, so your saying just move them around?
[05:17] <an0n> yitz_: What is the size of your disk and how partitioned?
[05:17] <ubuntuaddicted> an0n, i installed 12.04 awhile ago on a 14GB / partition and its currently using 8.7GB
[05:18] <subcool> Morpheaus, i do that in /etc/network/interfaces?
[05:18] <ubuntuaddicted> can please anyone help me figure out how to prevent my login manager and window manager from starting so that I just have a command line
[05:18] <lostxtsol> are the harddrives permissions in relation tot he actual install different than those of the livecd?
[05:19] <lostxtsol> would it matter if i sudo, or do i need to chmod the file?
[05:19] <Morpheaus> subcool: you could try moving them (might be the simple answer) - I'm not sure what the exact commands are (researching) but the end result is the metrics need to change as traffic is not being routed correctly
[05:19] <InFlames> ubuntu, doesn't SEL do that? not sure you want to do that just for no window manager
[05:19] <yitz_> an0n: With a /home seperately and an Archlinux install. Or the headless Ubuntu machines with a 4GB /root and a 250GB disk
[05:20] <yitz_> Though the 100 servers aren't really mine anymore...
[05:22] <Morpheaus> subcool: you may need to issue (sudo -o): route delete default gw 192.168.2.1 metric 100 && route add default gw 192.168.1.1 metric 0
[05:22] <subcool> Morpheaus, i see what ur saying about ur route- tho
[05:22] <InFlames> yitz_, i ran sudo apt-get clean and autoclean, i don't think that helped
[05:22] <Morpheaus> subcool: you may also need to issue the same command but slightly different to delete the 192.168.2.0 route and reset it to 9, 10, or something higher then the default route
[05:24] <subcool> Morpheaus, well, my network is on 168.2.0
[05:24] <subcool> but im not sure about those commands..
[05:24] <fgsfgsio> hello everybody. i have a notebook with shift buttton nott working on hardware level. i have to switch to tty 1 and type echo b > a command. how do i do it7 i an't ppress shift with dot or smth
[05:25] <she_dyed> here copy and apste this with mouse button >
[05:25] <she_dyed> paste*
[05:25] <yitz_> InFlames: sudo du -xsh /*
[05:25] <Morpheaus> subcool: the commands may cause a disconnect if you are remoted - they are redirecting route traffic - usually I do this when I'm physically on the box so I can recover if needed - if you can't do this, then you shouldn't be messing with routes right now - end result - your metrics on the routes needs to be updated - I think that will fix your issue...
[05:25] <subcool> Morpheaus, SIOCDERLT: no such process
[05:25] <fgsfgsio> how do i paste in tty1 mode7
[05:25] <she_dyed> is your mouse working in tty
[05:25] <fgsfgsio> no
[05:26] <Godel> Why does ${platform coretemp.0 temp 1} gives me the error message: "Bad substitution"?
[05:26] <subcool> Morpheaus, can i rangle a file? -
[05:26] <fgsfgsio> i could have tried shift ins, but shift doesn't work
[05:26] <she_dyed> Godel: is that bash
[05:26] <she_dyed> service gpm start fgsfgsio
[05:26] <Morpheaus> subcool: rangle a file?
[05:26] <InFlames> yitz_, i'm checking it
[05:26] <Godel> she_dyed,  I found it here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=80012  I am not sure what it is.
[05:27] <she_dyed> will start mouse in tty fg
[05:27] <she_dyed> will start mouse in tty fgsfgsio
[05:27] <subcool> Morpheaus, instead of running commands, can i simply open a file?
[05:28] <Morpheaus> subcool: I don't know - I would assume so - I just don't know what file - the interfaces when booting are somehow assigning metrics - there has to be a script file that is doing this that is part of the ubuntu base, but I have no idea where it would be...
[05:28] <fgsfgsio> so is it possible to write   >   symbol without actually typing it7 she_dyed i will try that now
[05:28] <InFlames> yitz_, 148M   /root
[05:28] <Godel> she_dyed, I need to use it in the config file for fancontrol.
[05:28] <subcool> hhmm.. Morpheaus , well.. the command didnt work..
[05:28] <ubuntuaddicted> can anyone please advise how to stop window manager and login manager from starting so I just have a command line?
[05:29] <Godel> Because the name of the temperature sensor seems to change every time I reboot.
[05:29] <she_dyed> do the ls command lower on that page Godel
[05:29] <Morpheaus> subcool: is your route any different though now (output)?
[05:29] <lkthomas> hey guys, if I want to remote use ubuntu desktop, other than X11, does VNC works ?
[05:29] <shcherbak> ubuntuaddicted: sudo service lightdm stop
[05:29] <yitz_> InFlames: you should have more than one line output
[05:29] <subcool> let me test it- i added dns-nameserver and added 8.8.8.8
[05:29] <fgsfgsio> she_dyed: ok, i have mose now in tty
[05:29] <shcherbak> ubuntuaddicted: that also stop x server
[05:29] <fgsfgsio> but how do i copy
[05:30] <Godel> okay
[05:30] <ubuntuaddicted> shcherbak, no, i want it to be stopped from the get go. so that when the machine boots up it doesn't load it
[05:30] <InFlames> yitz_, i do, one sec, i'll paste bin it
[05:30] <lostxtsol> i cant seemt o figure out how to get the permissions to work so that i can edit a file using the livecd
[05:30] <shcherbak> ubuntuaddicted: change "splash" for text in kernel line (edit grub)
[05:32] <fgsfgsio> rightt buttton doesn't paste
[05:32] <InFlames> yitz_, http://pastebin.com/8AKx6n4L
[05:32] <yitz_> fgsfgsio: It's sometimes the middle click
[05:32] <fgsfgsio> yitz_: oh, i have a touchpad.
[05:33] <lucas_> Español Hablo Español
[05:33] <yitz_> fgsfgsio: Try tapping with two fingers
[05:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> es! lucas_
[05:33] <yitz_> InFlames: du -xsh /usr/*
[05:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> es! | lucas_
[05:33] <shcherbak> !es | lucas_
[05:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> shcherbak: thanks, messed up XD
[05:33] <lucas_> Graciaass!
[05:33] <shcherbak> ntzrmtthihu777: ;)
[05:34] <fgsfgsio> yitz_: doesnt help. maybe i can write it to bash history and sppawn through up button somehow7
[05:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> fgsfgsio: try tapping the lower left corner
[05:34] <ubuntuaddicted> shcherbak, i had "nomodeset" there, so if I change it to "text" will I have GFX issues if I do ever want to startup X by issuing startx from the command line?
[05:34] <ubuntuaddicted> shcherbak, or should I make it "text nomodeset"
[05:34] <fgsfgsio> ntzrmtthihu777: no, i don'tt have any touchpad drivers installed
[05:35] <tripathp> Hello. Does someone know the email id of the ubuntu/canonical legal department ? I had some queries which I wanted to clarify with them
[05:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> fgsfgsio: any at all? so your pad does not work even at all?
[05:35] <tripathp> I did not find it on their website
[05:35] <subcool> Morpheaus, well, magically- its pinging the interenet
[05:35] <InFlames> ok yitz_ one sec
[05:35] <subcool> Morpheaus, anything you wanted tewsted while its going?
[05:35] <yitz_> fgsfgsio: no idea. probably a desktop manager thing
[05:36] <fgsfgsio> ntzrmtthihu777: there are some,, but just the only basic mouse movement thing
[05:36] <shcherbak> ubuntuaddicted: if needed...
[05:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> fgsfgsio: which desktop are you using?
[05:36] <ubuntuaddicted> shcherbak, so it's ok to leave the nomodeset with text?
[05:36] <fgsfgsio> ntzrmtthihu777: xfce
[05:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> and can anyone tell me how to specify the location of an mplayer window when ran from terminal?
[05:37] <Morpheaus> subcool: grab the route output and pastebin it! :)
[05:37] <subcool> Morpheaus, tist eh same as before
[05:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> fgsfgsio: check your menu for system settings and check the trackpad stuffs.
[05:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> fgsfgsio: and what version of ubuntu?
[05:37] <fgsfgsio> ntzrmtthihu777: 12.10
[05:37] <she_dyed> fgsfgsio: try middle mouse button to paste
[05:38] <adam__> yitz_, http://pastebin.com/s6RnJ4Qd
[05:38] <Morpheaus> subcool: also - were you trying to ping the internet by using "ping www.google.com" or "ping 74.125.225.176"?
[05:38] <fgsfgsio> she_dyed: don't have 99
[05:38] <fgsfgsio> 99 thats a sad smile
[05:38] <shcherbak> ubuntuaddicted: you can test both, hint: edit grub on boot (press shift) so it will revert on next boot, so you can let yourself try more options
[05:38] <subcool> Morpheaus, i did both. the IP worked until just now.
[05:38] <subcool> Morpheaus, now the name works
[05:38] <she_dyed> you rubuntu is missing gpm
[05:39] <she_dyed> get your money back
[05:39] <Morpheaus> subcool: weird
[05:39] <Morpheaus> wierd
[05:39] <subcool> Morpheaus, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5712321/
[05:39] <fgsfgsio> well, i don't see any 'click to paste' option in trackpad options.
[05:39] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, using the −geometry x[%][:y[%]] or [WxH][+-x+-y] option
[05:40] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, see here: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/man/en/mplayer.1.html#PLAYER OPTIONS (MPLAYER ONLY)
[05:40] <ubuntuaddicted> shcherbak, good idea, thanks
[05:40] <Godel> she_dyed, I am not sure how to use the output of the ls command in my configuration file. Can you help me with that?
[05:40] <Godel> she_dyed, should I put the command between `...`  ?
[05:40] <yitz_> adam__: your /usr/local seems abnormally large
[05:41] <yitz_> adam__: Also, go through your installed software and remove what you don't need
[05:41] <Morpheaus> subcool: I'm stumped with the limited information...really tough to debug as it sounds so sporadic...
[05:41] <she_dyed> Godel: its conky
[05:42] <fgsfgsio> haha, i won that damn symbol by writing it into bash-history of root
[05:42] <adam__> yitz_, i really don't even have THAT much
[05:42] <adam__> oh you know what it might be, wine and photoshop cs6
[05:42] <subcool> Morpheaus, well, i added the dns nameserver line to the br0
[05:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuaddicted: think I got it, thanks
[05:43] <adam__> i recall installing that and it never working (sadly)
[05:43] <subcool> Morpheaus, then i restarted the network...
[05:43] <fgsfgsio> by the way, how do i stop the x server in xfce7 i tried service stop lightdm, but that just brought me to a deadlock
[05:43] <yitz_> adam__: Those are both large
[05:43] <she_dyed> Godel: if its a conky config you just type it as is
[05:44] <adam__> yea, that's what i'm thinking it could be
[05:44] <Godel> I see
[05:44] <fgsfgsio> ah, nevermind, found it
[05:44] <adam__> if i COULD get wine powered photoshop installed, that'd be extremely good however
[05:44] <Godel> replace hwmon3 which was a constant word with the ls command?
[05:44] <adam__> right now i have to use a mac laptop to handle all my photoshop needs :[
[05:46] <Godel> I am confused. Conky is the name of a sensor program? I don't think I am using that.
[05:46] <yitz_> I'm an Archlinux user, not an Ubuntu user. I dunno why I'm even here...
[05:46] <she_dyed> Godel: if this command works use platform ls /sys/bus/platform/devices/
[05:46] <Godel> I am using lm-sensors
[05:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuaddicted: nope, no info on that option where youpointed me
[05:46] <yitz_> Godel: conky reads values and displays info. It's not a sensor program but a info program with sensor support
[05:47] <she_dyed> for monitoring purposes
[05:47] <Godel> Okay. I am not using that. This is a config file for the fancontrol program that I am trying to modify.
[05:47] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, i don't know what you read but I am looking right at it. "Adjust where the output is on the screen initially." −geometry x[%][:y[%]] or [WxH][+-x+-y]
[05:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuaddicted: on the page you pointed me at a search in firefox for -geo goes red.
[05:48] <lostxtsol> ok, i did some reaerch but i ende dup with more questions than answers. How do you edit system files using the live CD, i am sure it involves chmod
[05:48] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, this http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/man/en/mplayer.1.html#PLAYER OPTIONS (MPLAYER ONLY)
[05:49] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, go to that link and then click on the Player Option section
[05:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuaddicted: never mind, apparently they have some strange sybol other than - for the - in geometry.
[05:49] <adam__> yitz_, i think i found it, it appears to be crashplan
[05:51] <she_dyed> ntzrmtthihu777: nah use WxH+x+y
[05:51] <she_dyed> like i want 400x300+100+200 try that
[05:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> example? I'm currently using this: mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:device=/dev/video0
[05:52] <she_dyed> does it work ntzrmtthihu777?
[05:52] <adam__> yitz_, crashplan is taking up 4.4gb in it's cache on usr/local/ do you know if it's safe to just delete the cache?
[05:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> yes, but I should like to place the cam window somewhere specific
[05:53] <she_dyed> if your width & height are ok put location in -gemoetry +100+200 as an example
[05:53] <she_dyed> ntzrmtthihu777: ^
[05:53] <yitz_> adam__: I'd uninstall the package
[05:53] <adam__> yitz_, i need crashplan, uninstall and reinstall?
[05:54] <yitz_> Oh. Still need it, eh?
[05:54] <yitz_> It might have an internal way to clear the cache
[05:54] <adam__> yea. it's my backup :/
[05:54] <adam__> i'll check it
[05:55] <yitz_> Often it's safe to delete cache directories but crashplan may depend on something in there
[05:55] <yitz_> Are you feeling lucky?
[05:55] <adam__> worst comes to worse, i just have to reinstall the application, all the backup is offsite
[05:55] <auscompgeek> Hey guys. Why won't my caps/num lock indicators not respond correctly?
[05:56] <adam__> "worst comes to worst"*
[05:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuaddicted: that did it, thanks :D
[05:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> she_dyed: also you :D
[05:57] <she_dyed> nice
[05:57] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, no problem
[05:57] <she_dyed> nice work ntzrmtthihu777
[05:58] <ram1989> Is Wayland better than .org , in terms of display manager ?
[05:59] <ubuntuaddicted> how come apt-get doesn't have a search like aptitude does?
[06:00] <yitz_> ubuntuaddicted: apt-cache
[06:00] <she_dyed> apt-ache search name
[06:00] <she_dyed> apt-cache*
[06:01] <Godel> Can you tell me what is wrong with this syntax? http://pastebin.com/Rkes4P1R  Line 2 is reading the device name, and all the lines following that are using the name of the device.
[06:01] <ubuntuaddicted> yitz_, for example, i want to search for all the drivers that have nvidia in the package title
[06:03] <ubuntuaddicted> yitz_, I am getting these weird green dots and horrible GFX corruption using the nvidia 295 driver so I want to upgrade to 304. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Hin8PfR8I
[06:03] <yitz_> ubuntuaddicted: apt-cache search '*nvidia*'
[06:03] <ubuntuaddicted> yitz_, i didn't even need the quotes or asterisk
[06:03] <she_dyed> Godel: instead of quotes use backtick
[06:04] <yitz_> ubuntuaddicted: I don't know the first thing about video drivers so ... those details are meaningless
[06:04] <yitz_> ubuntuaddicted: If you got nullglob enabled in your shell you would
[06:04] <ubuntuaddicted> yitz_, no idea about nullglob so ... those details are meaningless
[06:04] <ubuntuaddicted> yitz_, ;)
[06:04] <Godel> she_dyed, I don't have any quotation marks there!
[06:05] <she_dyed> thats why itsnot working
[06:05] <yitz_> ubuntuaddicted: It means that command may fail in certain settings without the quotes
[06:05] <Godel> but you are telling me to use backticks instead of quotes
[06:05] <she_dyed> Godel: you need the backticks yes
[06:05] <she_dyed> because your ls has a space
[06:05] <yitz_> she_dyed: POSIX recommends against backticks
[06:06] <yitz_> And parsing the output of ls is always a terrible idea
[06:06] <yitz_> Try using globs instead
[06:06] <she_dyed> its what this guy needs. period.
[06:07] <yitz_> she_dyed: POSIX recommends $( cmd )
[06:07] <yitz_> This guy needs a glob
[06:07] <yitz_> MON=ls /sys/bus/platform/devices/it87.656/hwmon/
[06:07] <yitz_> Oops
[06:07] <yitz_> MON=( /sys/bus/platform/devices/it87.656/hwmon/* )
[06:07] <Godel> I see
[06:07] <Godel> Okay.
[06:07] <she_dyed> check it out
[06:08] <yitz_> Godel: That expands to a list of files (not POSIX complient) and "$MON" would be the first item
[06:08] <Godel> There should only be one item there.
[06:08] <yitz_> she_dyed: See http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7990989775/xcu/chap2.html#tag_001_006_003
[06:08] <she_dyed> do an echo $MON so you can see it
[06:08] <yitz_> Godel: Then you should be good
[06:09] <she_dyed> nah dont need no backticks
[06:09] <yitz_> Godel: But please QUOTE $MON whenever you expand it
[06:09] <she_dyed> he did, originally
[06:09] <milan> hey
[06:09] <Godel> So use "$MON" instead of just $MON ?
[06:09] <yitz_> Yup
[06:10] <yitz_> And that sets you a bit on the path of proper shell coding
[06:10] <she_dyed> and a life of crime =)
[06:10] <yitz_> Hardly...
[06:10] <she_dyed> as a l33t h4x0r
[06:10] <yitz_> she_dyed: But see that link to the POSIX shell docs. It explains why backticks aren't recommended
[06:11] <she_dyed> yeah, now i'm trying to recall when I used the last time
[06:11] <she_dyed> thx
[06:11] <subcool> Morpheaus, thanks alot
[06:11] <yitz_> she_dyed: That POSIX change is a number of years old
[06:11] <Godel> It still doesn't work. Current version: http://pastebin.com/Dnaq5gPd
[06:12] <yitz_> Godel: Is it interpretted as a shell script?
[06:12] <Godel> MON seems to be blank!
[06:12] <she_dyed> your mon has the ls still in it
[06:13] <she_dyed> not the way yitz pointed out
[06:13] <Godel> oh sorry!
[06:14] <Godel> This is my line 3:    MON=( /sys/bus/platform/devices/it87.656/hwmon/ )
[06:14] <Godel> still blank
[06:14] <shmoon> trying to understand what backports mean exactly https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - i dont get it. basically using backports you can install newer versions of apps ?
[06:14] <she_dyed> you also left out the * Godel
[06:14] <Godel> Tried that too.
[06:14] <Godel> MON=( /sys/bus/platform/devices/it87.656/hwmon/* )
[06:15] <yitz_> Godel: The it's probably not ran through bash or zsh
[06:16] <Godel> Okay.
[06:16] <yitz_> shmoon: It means that repo takes newer changes that the main repo decided not to inclue
[06:16] <Godel> I will write the script to search the file and replace a string with something else at each reboot
[06:16] <Godel> I don't know how else to handle this file.
[06:16] <yitz_> Sounds convoluted
[06:16] <yitz_> The device name shouldn't change often
[06:17] <Godel> It does every time I reboot.
[06:17] <yitz_> Try fixing your udev rules
[06:17] <shmoon> yitz_: does it includes stuff like node.js, php ?
[06:17] <shmoon> cuz i get those packages auto updated every once in a while
[06:18] <shmoon> its not like i had to enable automatic backport (precise)
[06:18] <yitz_> shmoon: the backport repo tends to just include packages that have a newer version that the main repo only got an older version
[06:18] <shmoon> reading the backports page it seems like i should enable them to get newer versions of repos/packages
[06:18] <yitz_> shmoon: The main repo will have updates of many packages. Just not all
[06:18] <shmoon> hm so maybe linux specific packages ? not stuff like php, nodejs, mysql, etc. ?
[06:19] <shmoon> packages that just comes with ubuntu installation, smth like that?
[06:19] <shmoon> or can be more than that
[06:19] <yitz_> shmoon: It would be whatever the repo maintainers felt like not updating
[06:19] <Godel> yitz_, I don't know what udev rules are. Can you send me a link I can learn about them?
[06:20] <she_dyed> wait, Godel what about ls after the open paren
[06:20] <yitz_> Godel: Google for udev rules
[06:20] <yitz_> she_dyed: huh?
[06:20] <michaela> is there an ubuntu security channel
[06:20] <Godel> she_dyed, what do you mean?
[06:21] <she_dyed> yitz, Godel you tired first without * at the end=fail
[06:21] <icedw> Hello, is there any reason why the type of /path/to/file can be identified using file, but trying to execute it returns "No such file or directory" ?
[06:21] <Godel> yes  I tried with and without *
[06:21] <she_dyed> yitz, Godel you tried first without ls at the beginning=fail
[06:21] <yitz_> she_dyed: Are you a fan of "try all combos until something works"?
[06:21] <she_dyed> no he misquoted you thats all
[06:22] <she_dyed> and I am NO fan of 'not works'
[06:22] <Godel> Here is my MON line: MON=(ls /sys/bus/platform/devices/it87.656/hwmon/)
[06:22] <Godel> Do you want me to try this?
[06:22] <she_dyed> ok no * why
[06:22] <yitz_> Godel: that wouldn't work
[06:22] <she_dyed> see?
[06:23] <Godel> Okay. What else do you want me to try?
[06:23] <Godel> I tried without ls
[06:23] <shmoon> yitz_: backports is just a repo like main, univers,em ultiverse, etc. ?
[06:23] <Jpmh> icedw: does the first line of the file request an interpretter that does not exist?
[06:23] <she_dyed> waht do you mean what else
[06:23] <yitz_> shmoon: yup. but with packagees that main has except newer\
[06:23] <she_dyed> just add the * at the end
[06:23] <shmoon> yitz_: gotcha thanks :)
[06:23] <yitz_> Godel: is that conf file ran through a shell or just parsed by the program?
[06:24] <icedw> Jpmh: no, it's a binary file. It shows up on ls, etc.
[06:24] <Godel> MON=( ls /sys/bus/platform/devices/it87.656/hwmon/* )
[06:24] <Godel> It is parsed by the fancontrol program
[06:24] <she_dyed> and fire
[06:24] <Godel> didn't work she_dyed
[06:25] <she_dyed> there you have it yitz
[06:25] <yitz_> Godel: then using commands like that won't do anything for you
[06:25] <Jpmh> icedw: thats why i think it is the contents of the file that are causing this
[06:25] <Godel> I see.
[06:25] <yitz_> she_dyed: ls inside ( ) is ... an illustration that you don't understand how ( ) works
[06:25] <milan> how can i override my GPU so i can see whats going on , is the driver vorking porperly?
[06:25] <she_dyed> i used backticks remember? yitz_
[06:25] <icedw> Jpmh: just tried writing a random zsh script, it returned "/usr/bin/zsh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory."
[06:26] <icedw> Do you think a binary would return something like this, though?
[06:26] <yitz_> she_dyed: Yeah. Which are depricated. I'd suggest a shell scripting guide
[06:26] <Jpmh> icedw: what are the permits on it - is it exrcutable?
[06:26] <she_dyed> you're the one wants ()
[06:26] <she_dyed> nah bash is fine with me
[06:26] <icedw> The same (I'm guessing) binary works on my other Ubuntu box.
[06:26] <icedw> Jpmh: yes, 755.
[06:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> wow, I was just watching starwars - a new hope, in ascii over telnet XD
[06:26] <icedw> And it
[06:26] <shmoon> yitz_: i read when a pckge is required to be installed from backports they're explicitly requested from the team - where can i see the requests? how can i know whether something has been requested or not ?
[06:26] <michaela_> i just have a security question so does any one know of a ubuntu security channel
[06:26] <yitz_> she_dyed: Yeah. Me too. I was assuming bash. Look up what ( ) does and how POSIX recommends doing command substitution
[06:26] <icedw> It's owned root:root, I've tried it both as sudo and as root.
[06:26] <Godel> Okay. So none of this works in this config file, because it is parsed by another program.
[06:27] <yitz_> shmoon: I have no idea what "requested" means in regards to apt
[06:27] <Jpmh> icedw:  remove the x for a moment and see what happens
[06:27] <Godel> I have no choice but to change this file every time I boot up. Right?
[06:27] <yitz_> Godel: shell scripting stuff only works in a script that is parsed by a shell
[06:27] <Godel> Or learn how to correct my udev rules
[06:27] <icedw> The file is found, it says "permission denied."
[06:27] <yitz_> Godel: Yup. Or every time you run the program. Unless the program got some other syntax of its own
[06:27] <bazhang> michaela_, ask here
[06:27] <Godel> yitz_, I see. I did not know that.
[06:28] <yitz_> icedw: is it set to executable?
[06:28] <Godel> yitz_, there is a init.d script that runs the program. I can modify that code.
[06:28] <Jpmh> icedw: so we know it is rge execution of the binary that causes this - what is it supposed to do?
[06:28] <yitz_> Godel: You can run a script that first makes/edits that file then runs the program
[06:29] <Godel> I am still confused why the sensor changes every time I boot.
[06:29] <icedw> yitz_: yes, it was toggled off because Jpmh wanted to test something.
[06:29] <michaela_> ok, does anyone know of any good free vpn services that are outside of the
[06:29] <icedw> It's supposed to monitor Internet traffic.
[06:29] <michaela_> us
[06:29] <yitz_> icedw: that's the permission denied
[06:29] <yitz_> Godel: No clue. Probably because udev
[06:29] <Godel> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=80012
[06:29] <bazhang> !ot | michaela_
[06:29] <shmoon> yitz_: i read this "For this reason, the Backports Team recommends configuring the package manager to only install backported packages when they are explicitly requested, which is the default for all Ubuntu releases after and including Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)." - does it just mean whenever its requestd apt-get install/upgrade will automatically update ithe pckg ?
[06:29] <Godel> This thread talks about it, but I don't understand the solution.
[06:29] <icedw> I'd like to think it's the inherent freedom-loving nature of Ubuntu that is disgusted at the monitoring and preventing it from working...
[06:30] <icedw> But that also means I can't access my company intranet, Jmph.
[06:30] <icedw> yitz_: yep, to sum up, when +x is on, the file is "not found".
[06:31] <yitz_> shmoon: Oh. Don't update *exevything* that has a newer version in the backport repo. There's possibly a reason the main repo got an older version. If there's one (or more) package in specific you want a newer version of, install just those
[06:31] <icedw> Jmph: do you think it could be an i386 program trying to run on x86-64?
[06:31] <icedw> I just noticed that that might be it.
[06:31] <michaela_> ubottu: that is why i am looking for a ubuntu or linux security channel
[06:31] <yitz_> Godel: I find udev a bit tricky. I'd recommend changing the xinitrc to call a script that fixes the conf then starts the program
[06:32] <bazhang> michaela_, thats not a linux/ubuntu specific question
[06:33] <Godel> yitz_, Is that a shell program that loads after you log in?
[06:33] <Godel> fancontrol starts before anyone logs in.
[06:34] <yitz_> Godel: What launches it?
[06:35] <Godel> yitz_, /etc/init.d/fancontrol
[06:35] <Jpmh> icedw: I think that if you are ot 100% of what it is you should not be executing it anyway.  What do you believe that it is and supposed to do
[06:36] <yitz_> Godel: So it's launched by upstart. If you wanna get hackerish you can edit that script - which *is* a shell script - to edit the conf file
[06:36] <Godel> Okay. I will do that. Thank you for your help. :)
[06:36] <icedw> Jpmh: I am not 100% sure of what it does, nor that it is the cause of the problem, but I am 100% sure that another ubuntu box with it is working.
[06:37] <ThatOneRoadie> Anyone here have any experience with booting via iSCSI?
[06:37] <icedw> Jpmh: and a page on the company Intranet insists that terminals without this will be quarantined.
[06:37] <Jpmh> icedpw
[06:37] <yitz_> Set the kernel disk wait parameter to long, ThatOneRoadie
[06:37] <icedw> So I have web access, ssh and stuff but cannot use the Intranet.
[06:37] <icedw> So ... that leads me to suspect that this is the problem.
[06:38] <Heavylobster> hello, can anyone help me figure out why my X is broken? I get a message about it running in low-graphics mode because my graphics card / screen / input device could not be detected and it gives me a bunch of options to do, only X gets unresponsive at that point
[06:38] <Heavylobster> VT switching works ok, and X worked before too, so not sure what broke it
[06:38] <Jpmh> icedw: is this machine your machine ?  I am missing something here - what is this file supposed to do and why on earth will you allow an executable that you don't know what it does?
[06:38] <ThatOneRoadie> yitz_: wut
[06:38] <yitz_> ThatOneRoadie: That's the only (e)SATA and boot experience I've had
[06:39] <icedw> Jpmh: no, it is a box on the Intranet that can't access the Intranet. It's a company machine.
[06:39] <ThatOneRoadie> I'm getting "Gave up waiting for root device.", followed by an "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/bobloblaw-...... does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" on boot
[06:39] <yitz_> ThatOneRoadie: Yeah. Sounds like the error I had
[06:39] <she_dyed> Heavylobster: try reading /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:40] <ThatOneRoadie> where do you set disk wait time?
[06:40] <icedw> Apparently this file is necessary:
[06:40]  * ThatOneRoadie starts connecting to the iscsi drive
[06:40] <icedw>  "1.  To allow your machines to access to intranet after passing the compliant check.  2.   Those device that do not have the agent installed will only be allowed access to the internet."
[06:41] <Heavylobster> she_dyed: I'm not an expert but i don't notice anything out of the ordinary there, it loads stuff like the intel driver (i have intel graphics) fine and i don't see any errors
[06:41] <yitz_> ThatOneRoadie: In GRUB conf as a kernel paramter
[06:41] <Heavylobster> i can't pastebin it easily because I cannot figure out how to connect to wifi over the command line (i tried but got some issues there)
[06:41] <she_dyed> Heavylobster: warnings maybe (WW) check them out
[06:41] <nevyn> icedw: that seems reasonable.
[06:41] <icedw> The binary in question, Jpmh, is CyberGatekeeper by InfoExpress.
[06:42] <icedw> nevyn: that -is- reasonable.
[06:42] <Heavylobster> she_dyed: no WWs at all
[06:42] <icedw> What isn't is they don't have a 64-bit version, which I am suspecting is the problem.
[06:42] <Heavylobster> she_dyed: there's a file called Xorg.failsafe.log, maybe it is that? there's a bunch of EE's which i believe is an error
[06:42] <icedw> The symptoms are
[06:42] <icedw> Sorry.
[06:42] <Jpmh> icedw: then I think that it is calling something that is not there and the message is coming from that.  It may well be a path or an environment variable or as you say a wrong version
[06:42] <nevyn> icedw: so do they have a binary for ubuntu?
[06:42] <nevyn> or is it a windows binary?
[06:42] <she_dyed> Heavylobster: do a ls -l check the timestamp if it was recent
[06:43] <nevyn> this is some sort of BYOD thing right?
[06:43] <icedw> The symptoms are that /path/cga and /path/cgav are compiled for 32-bit Linux and someone decided to install 64-bit here.
[06:43] <icedw> Ack, sorry again, mixing mental threads.
[06:43] <Heavylobster> she_dyed: the failsafe.log is newer than xorg.0.log so presumably it is that
[06:43] <icedw> The symptoms are that those files can be found via file, ls, etc but execution yields "no such file or directory."
[06:44] <Heavylobster> she_dyed: both are from today though, I think xorg.0.log is also from a failed boot then
[06:44] <yitz_> ThatOneRoadie: It might be called root_delay or root_wait or something like that. Google for SCSI delay wait grub
[06:44] <firelmnt> hi, i have a question... when i boot my ubuntu (nearly pure ubuntu 12.10) it doesn't load, but if i use recovery mode, it does work. where could be a problem?
[06:44] <icedw> nevyn: I am not familiar with BYOD, but yes, that acronym appears on InfoExpress's website :P
[06:45] <nevyn> BYOD (Bring Your Own Device)
[06:45] <icedw> Ah, I should have figured BYO had the conventional expansion :)
[06:45] <Jpmh> icedw: the test that we have performed I think demonstrates that it is being found by the shell and that execution is happening and that it is that execution that is doing something that is generating the message - probably shelling out to something that is not thee
[06:45] <nevyn> right.
[06:46] <icedw> Thanks, and no there isn't a binary in the repos.
[06:46] <icedw> Jpmh: OK, yes.
[06:46] <nevyn> icedw: what's the magical shbang at the top of their script?
[06:46] <icedw> It's a binary, unfortunately.
[06:46] <Jpmh> icedw: if you really do not believe me then run it through a debugger and you will see that but the symptoms are clear
[06:46] <nevyn> really?
[06:46] <nevyn> file (theirfile)
[06:46] <icedw> nevyn: yes, let me paste :P
[06:47] <nevyn> run strings on it and look for common interpreters..
[06:47] <icedw> Jmph: it's not that I don't believe you. It's that I'm not sure how to solve this given a binary doesn't call for interpreters.
[06:47] <nevyn> but I'm thinking this is the wrong end of the stick if this is a customer device.
[06:47] <nevyn> so if it's a company devie rather
[06:47] <Guest66564> Prem
[06:47] <Guest66564> How are you
[06:47] <nevyn> BYOD restrictions shouldn't apply
[06:47] <icedw> nevyn: Jpmh: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped
[06:47] <nevyn> and it's probably just on the wrong subnet. open a serice ticket?
[06:48] <Jpmh> nevyn:  icedw  I suspect that it was intended to run on a different configuration - especially since icedw  has commented the problem may be that there is no 64 bit version
[06:48] <icedw> Let's see if I can get into the company's web mail...
[06:48] <she_dyed> Heavylobster: failsafe coould be in recovery mode, not needed yet
[06:48] <nevyn> icedw: how was it distributed?
[06:49] <she_dyed> time to look at xorg.0.log see what it rejected first Heavylobster
[06:49] <Jpmh> icedw: then as we have commented it may well be something that is not in the libs that you have, as I said  - you need to contact the creator of this product - it makes no sense to try and support a binary for which we have no documentation nor support
[06:50] <icedw> nevyn: You try accessing any intranet page, it redirects you to a set of links showing different versions of the software.
[06:50] <nevyn> in what format?
[06:50] <Heavylobster> she_dyed: I got wifi working via commandline now (yay) and uploaded the logs here: http://heavylobster.com/files/Xorg.0.log and http://heavylobster.com/files/Xorg.failsafe.log
[06:50] <icedw> Jpmh: right, but I came here because I thought it might be some tricky permissions issue or I was missing something with environment variables or whatever.
[06:50] <icedw> Only now I noticed that it's not compiled right.
[06:51] <nevyn> mmm..?
[06:51] <icedw> nevyn: It's in binary.
[06:51] <nevyn> so it's just a binary executable no package or anything?
[06:51] <icedw> Yes, I suppose it was distributed that way by the vendors..
[06:52] <icedw> I wonder if it would be useful to add a package with this to the repos?
[06:52] <icedw> It would have pretty limited use though, I guess.
[06:54] <nevyn> so if you can work out why it's broken (what the dependancies are that are missing) a package would be useful to drag those in
[06:54] <Jpmh> icedw: I realize that - but this is not an obvious permissions issue of that file but something that the file does and without documentation nor source there is no way we can make it work.  PLUS it is dangerous to run something you don't understand
[06:54] <nevyn> but it's not going into ubuntu or debian almost certainly
[06:55] <icedw> Thanks nevyn, going back to my main so that I don't have to use webchat...
[06:55] <Jpmh> icedw: Please tell us that the suid bit is not set
[06:56] <Vivekananda> I have java installed in lubuntu 12.04 but on chrome and firefox it says -- java tm requireed to display certain pages
[06:56] <icedw> Jpmh: I would see an s in the first slot, right?
[06:56] <Vivekananda> what am I missing
[06:56] <icedw> There is none there.
[06:56] <nevyn> Vivekananda: icedtea
[06:57] <icedw> Vivekananda: apt-get install one of the jre packages.
[06:57] <nevyn> Vivekananda: you're missing the plugin
[06:58] <Jpmh> icedw: I think you have no choice but to contact the vendor or the person that provided this software to you
[06:58] <Vivekananda> nevyn: icedw here is the output -- https://gist.github.com/anonymous/29bfddb505e0fbea9ad7
[06:58] <icedw> Jpmh: that's my plan.
[06:58] <Vivekananda> do I have to symlink somehow ?
[06:59] <icedw> Please highlight my main, icedwater :)
[06:59] <Godel> yitz_, Did you say I shouldn't use ` backtick in my shell code?
[06:59] <icedw> I'm off this wreck :P
[06:59] <yitz_> Godel: POSIX recommends using $( ) over ``
[06:59] <Godel> okay
[07:00] <nevyn> Vivekananda: you need the plugin
[07:00] <nevyn> not java
[07:00] <nevyn> Vivekananda: the bit that runs in the browser to run java
[07:00] <yitz_> I still feel weird in this channel... Archlinux FTW!!!
[07:01] <vipzrx> sync3times： hello
[07:01] <siby> hi i want a little help
[07:01] <nevyn> yitz_: I'm only running ubuntu cause debian's installer won't boot on my laptop :(
[07:01] <siby> i am using hp 2000 laptop
[07:01] <vipzrx> siby: hello
[07:01] <siby> i dont get audio
[07:01] <yitz_> I started with Ubuntu, went to Debian then moved to Arch
[07:01] <vipzrx> siby: yitz_  echo git://android.git.linaro.org/platform/manifest.git | sed 's/\/\/.*-bot@/\/\/'"${LINARO_ANDROID_ACCESS_ID}"'@/' ， what is the logic for sed ？
[07:02] <icarus> hi all
[07:02] <Godel> All done! Going to restart and test :)
[07:02] <siby> vipzrx,  i dont understand
[07:02] <icarus> ive got an issue with a package upgrade not showing the right version
[07:02] <icarus> "curl -I localhost" shows 2.2.22
[07:02] <icarus> but apt-cache shows 2.2.26
[07:02] <yitz_> vipzrx: Looks ugly to me
[07:03] <vipzrx> yitz_: ok
[07:05] <she_dyed> Heavylobster: sorry cant help, intel gfx, their logs are about as useful as a third nipple
[07:05] <Heavylobster> she_dyed: okay thanks anyways, I'll try asking on the forums :)
[07:05] <Vivekananda> nevyn: I know the plugin but would that not be automatically installed while getting java versions as in the gist I posted ? Also according to that gist which plugin should I get
[07:05] <she_dyed> maybe ubuntu has appropriate packages for intel video
[07:05] <nevyn> no.
[07:06] <nevyn> Vivekananda: no.
[07:06] <nevyn> Heavylobster: did you pastebin logs somewhere.... ?
[07:06] <siby> what should i do
[07:06] <she_dyed> he did
[07:06] <Heavylobster> nevyn: http://heavylobster.com/files/Xorg.0.log
[07:06] <she_dyed> and the failsafe
[07:06] <Heavylobster> yep that is at http://heavylobster.com/files/Xorg.failsafe.log
[07:06] <she_dyed> but am an nvidia guy
[07:07] <Heavylobster> and the issue basically is X saying the system is running in low graphics mode and offers me several options I can do but it's unresponsive at that point and thus i can't actually select any of them
[07:07] <Heavylobster> and X has worked before, it was broken when i booted today
[07:08] <she_dyed> when you plugged in headset?
[07:08] <Heavylobster> if that was for me, i am not using a headset
[07:08] <Heavylobster> brb
[07:10] <siby> Audio:     Card: Intel Device 1e20
[07:10] <siby> my audio not works
[07:10] <siby> i am using hp 2000 with ubuntu 10.04 lts
[07:10] <nevyn> siby: can you run alsa-info in upload mode and paste the url it spits out?
[07:11] <siby> how to run that
[07:12] <siby> i have type also-info in terminal
[07:12] <siby> output it command not found
[07:12] <siby> is *
[07:13] <nevyn> wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[07:13] <siby> thanks
[07:13] <siby> let me try
[07:14] <nevyn> Heavylobster: so that looks ok..
[07:15] <nrdb> I need some help setting up a NAT between eth1 and eth0 so internet traffic can go via my ubuntu computer.
[07:15] <nevyn> Heavylobster: do you still have the package xorg-video-driver-intel or whatever it's called?
[07:16] <nevyn> Heavylobster: xserver-xorg-video-intel is the package...
[07:16] <nrdb> from Windows I can ping 192.168.1.1 (the incoming interface)  but when I try 10.0.0.139 (the outgoing interface) it doesn't work.
[07:17] <Heavylobster> nevyn: yep it appears to be there
[07:17] <nevyn> dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel
[07:17] <Heavylobster> i'm no expert but i didn't see anything wrong with the log either
[07:17]  * nevyn did with the failsafe log
[07:17] <nevyn> it's using fbdev and not loading the intel driver at all
[07:18] <nrdb> The ARP lookups aren't getting a reply for the gw at 10.0.0.138
[07:19] <Heavylobster> nevyn: i'm not sure I understand the dpkg output correcly but it does appear it's installed from that
[07:19] <nevyn> what are the first two lines?
[07:19] <Heavylobster> i tested by doing apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel which says it's the newest version
[07:20] <icedw> nevyn: Jpmh: I'm back on this for a while longer, resolved the problem.
[07:20] <icedw> As it turns out, one fix was to install ia32-libs-multiarch so that the box could read 32-bit binaries.
[07:20] <nevyn> Heavylobster: did you install updates recently?
[07:20] <nevyn> icedw: not shocked really...
[07:21] <Heavylobster> "Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold" and "| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend" are the first two lines
[07:21] <icedw> nevyn: Well, neither am I, but I didn't think of that before.
[07:21] <Heavylobster> nevyn: I think I may have updated the last time X was running but I am not 100% sure, any way to check
[07:21] <icedw> Shouldn't run into as many problems configuring dokuwiki :)
[07:23] <nevyn> Heavylobster: first two columns on the line where xserver-xorg-video-intel is.
[07:23] <Morph4me> Heavylobster: i have the same output (first 2 lines) with this version  installed .......ii  xserver-xorg-v 2:2.20.12-0u amd64
[07:24] <Heavylobster> nevyn: "ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.20-9-0ubuntu2"
[07:26] <she_dyed> isn't the failsafe what runs in 'crippled' mode so I wasn't sure i'd trust that
[07:27] <KevinSjoberg> Anyone here with SSH-experience? I've got two servers, both had a .ssh directory and a .authorized_keys file. The .ssh folder and the .authorized_keys file have exactly the same permissions on both servers. Both servers have the same /etc/ssh/ssh_config. But one server don't allow to me to connect without entering the password and I can't seem to solve it. This is the output of "ssh -v my_successful_server": http://paste.ubuntu.com/5712491/ and
[07:27] <KevinSjoberg>  this is the output from the unsuccessful server: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5712493/. Any ideas?
[07:27] <tesuji> are application errors in a virtual machine considered bugs to be reported?
[07:28] <siby> nevyn its just loading nothing more happens
[07:29] <ubuntuaddicted> can anyone help me with my grub menu? i installed a non -pae kernel and it's showing up within a sub-list called previous versions.
[07:30] <ubuntuaddicted> i want to make it auto-boot the non-pae kernel but I don't know what number to use since it's within this sub-menu
[07:31] <k1l> you can use the name of that entry
[07:31] <lawati> i am running ubuntu from vmware player on windows 7 , is there any way to enable unity functionality of vmware player on ubuntu (i removed the unity desktop manager and now i am on gnome 3 i thought this would be enough for that )
[07:31] <nevyn> siby: ?
[07:31] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: do you have the private keyfile on both servers?
[07:32] <ubuntuaddicted> k1l, i can only put a number within /etc/default/grub
[07:32] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: not that that's a good idea....
[07:32] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: My private key file is only on my machine and then I let agent forwarding handle the rest.
[07:33] <KevinSjoberg> Oops, the last url should be. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5712493/
[07:33] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: so you have your workstation serverA serverB?
[07:33] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Exactly. I've got my workstation and then server A (successful) and Server B (unsuccessful)
[07:34] <k1l> ubuntuaddicted: no, you can even add the right string to match, like: GRUB_DEFAULT="Ubuntu, with 2.6.32-25-generic"
[07:34] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: you're going from your workstation directly to serverB?
[07:34] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: or via serverA?
[07:34] <ubuntuaddicted> k1l, there's multiple entries within the sub-menu. can you link me to where you're reading this please
[07:34] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: I'm trying to access them directly from my workstation.
[07:34] <nevyn> so from your workstation to serverB directly doesn't work?
[07:35] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Server A works, it accepts my public key, Server B fails and prompts for password. See the URL:s I sent.
[07:35] <nevyn> check the permissions of .ssh/authorized_keys on serverb
[07:35] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Permissions is the same on both servers.
[07:35] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: /etc/ssh/sshd_config is the same on both servers as well.
[07:35] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: ls -l of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys please.
[07:36] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: also check /var/log/messages on serverb
[07:36] <nevyn> as to why the pubkey is being rejected.
[07:36] <k1l> ubuntuaddicted: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 scroll smth down to 5. Grub 2 Files & Options
[07:36] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: On Server B (failing server) -rw-rw-r-- 1 administrator administrator 394 Apr 16 09:14 /home/administrator/.ssh/authorized_keys
[07:37] <nevyn> and on serverA?
[07:37] <nevyn> group writable is a no-no
[07:37] <nevyn> btw. and will be why it's failing
[07:38] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Server A (Successful one) -rw-rw-r-- 1 hldesign hldesign 1217 Apr  3 10:20 /home/hldesign/.ssh/authorized_keys
[07:38] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Should i chmod 600 on Server B then?
[07:38] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: check /var/log/messages on serverb
[07:39] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: are both these systems ubuntu?
[07:39] <iceroot> KevinSjoberg: -rw------- 1 irssi irssi 2393 25. Feb 07:35 /home/irssi/.ssh/authorized_keys
[07:39] <iceroot> KevinSjoberg: that is the only valid config. everything else is unsecure
[07:39] <nevyn> I don't et how that works at all?
[07:39] <nevyn> meh readable is fine imho.
[07:39] <nevyn> but sshd should complain A LOT if it's group or world writable.
[07:40] <iceroot> nevyn: correct
[07:40] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: I did not have a /var/log/messages on Server B.
[07:40] <nevyn> so I don't get how 17:41 < KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Server A (Successful one) -rw-rw-r-- 1 hldesign hldesign 1217 Apr  3 10:20 /home/hldesign/.ssh/authorized_keys
[07:40] <KevinSjoberg> iceroot: I'll change my permissions on Server B.
[07:40] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: is it ubuntu?
[07:40] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Yep, Ubuntu 12.04.
[07:41] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Same version on both.
[07:41] <nevyn> nevermind fix the permissions see if it's ok after that.
[07:42] <KevinSjoberg> iceroot, nevyn: Changed permissions to 600 so "ls -l" no gives "-rw------- 1 administrator administrator 394 Apr 16 09:14 /home/administrator/.ssh/authorized_keys". Same issue.
[07:42] <nevyn> what's in the sshd log on that system?
[07:43] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: I've got access to /var/log/auth.log.
[07:43] <ThatOneRoadie> http://i.imgur.com/xnvIWHn.png sexy sexy errors
[07:43] <lawati> hello can someone help ?i am running ubuntu from vmware player on windows 7 , is there any way to enable unity functionality of vmware player on ubuntu (i removed the unity desktop manager and now i am on gnome 3 i thought this would be enough for that )
[07:43] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: are you the admin of the server?
[07:44] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: I've not setup Server B. I'm logging in with administrator and I've got sudo access.
[07:45] <nevyn> sudo su -? or limited sudo access?
[07:45] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: I can use sudo su to get root access.
[07:46] <k1l> use sudo -i instead of sudo su
[07:46] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: But I can do that as well on Server A.
[07:46] <Nmbr1> KevinSjoberg: you don't need to use "sudo su" that is redundant
[07:46] <Nmbr1> sudo is the single command implementation of su which switches the user context from the local user to the root user
[07:47] <Nmbr1> ^or also a different user you specify
[07:47] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: I want you to find the sshd log and find out whyit's failing.
[07:48] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: I don't say, I checked /var/log/auth.log
[07:48] <nevyn> auth.log is not what you need
[07:48] <nevyn> /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages
[07:50] <ubuntuaddicted> k1l, i'll give that a try, thanks
[07:51] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Okey, so /var/log/syslog just says "Apr 16 09:16:53 srv46-prod sudo: pam_ecryptfs: pam_sm_authenticate: /home/administrator is already mounted".
[07:51] <KevinSjoberg> and by the way. If I enter the password and have a SSH-connection open, all new attempts to Server B works without entering a password.
[07:52] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: But when I close all connections, I need to enter a password again.
[07:52] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn:  /var/log/auth.log says "Apr 16 09:40:51 srv46-prod sshd[21484]: pam_ecryptfs: Passphrase file wrapped".
[07:53] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: do you have encrypt homedirs on on serverb?
[07:53] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: How can I check that?
[07:54] <lawati> hello can someone help ?i am running ubuntu from vmware player on windows 7 , is there any way to enable unity functionality of vmware player on ubuntu (i removed the unity desktop manager and now i am on gnome 3 i thought this would be enough for that )
[07:54] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: I think you're on to something. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome.
[07:54] <nevyn> lawati: that doesn't even make sense....
[07:54] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: I quote: "There are a few minor caveats that one must keep in mind about these encrypted configurations. "
[07:54] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: "SSH public key authentication into your system also will not work, unless you put your public key somewhere outside of your home directory and symbolically link it to your unmounted $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys. ".
[07:55] <lawati> nevyn: well i am new in linux world so i need a little guidance
[07:56] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: so do that?
[07:56] <KevinSjoberg> I'm working on it. I'll tell you how it went in a while.
[07:57] <nevyn> lawati: what are you trying to do? what doesn't work?
[07:58] <nevyn> siby: how did you go?
[07:59] <lawati> nevyn: well i am running ubuntu as a guest OS on VMware player , there is a feature in vmware player to have applications of guest OS to run seamless in the host OS , this was working fine with some old Ubuntu versions , but is disabled in the current
[08:00] <lawati> nevyn: i thought this is because of old ubuntu run with gdm and the current version is running with something different , so tried to change that
[08:05] <Nmbr1> nevyn: i had some issues with newer version of ubuntu and vms as well. i eneded up doing the install under vmplayer and then using the vm in virtualbox
[08:07] <silo_> does crontab have a log?
[08:07] <Jpmh> silo_: it sends you an eMail
[08:07] <lawati> Nmbrl : so there was no solution for such thing
[08:08] <silo_> im not on that list
[08:10] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Solved it!
[08:10] <nevyn> KevinSjoberg: yay
[08:10] <KevinSjoberg> nevyn: Thanks a lot for your help!
[08:16] <shmoon> what does building package means?
[08:17] <shmoon> means compiling from source to be able to use?
[08:17] <nrdb> should ARP packets get NATed?
[08:18] <nevyn> no.
[08:18] <TakeItEZ> !packaging | shmoon: not only compiling, building a complete package
[08:19] <nrdb> nevyn, are you talking to me?
[08:20] <nevyn> nrdb: yes so arp is absolutely local traffice it shouldn't cross a bridge and it shouldn't be nated
[08:20] <nrdb> nevyn, ok
[08:21] <shmoon> TakeItEZ: ok so its like building a package that cna be installed via apt-get, rather than the ./configure;make;make isntall; thing that installs a software by compiling, etc.
[08:21] <nevyn> shmoon: make install is usually a bad idea on modern linux systems
[08:22] <TakeItEZ> shmoon: yes. avoid using "make install" whenever you can. use at least checkinstall to build a package, that is installed with the package-management
[08:22] <shmoon> why is amke install bad ?
[08:22] <TakeItEZ> shmoon: makes updating/removing way easier
[08:22] <shmoon> i am not compiling from source though, i was just trying to understand what does 'build package' means, so from what i've understood its building packages that can be distributed via package managers, rather than compiling from source
[08:22] <nrdb> nevyn, I have two interfaces on my Ubuntu machine, one is connected to a Windows XP computer, should the gw on XP set to the interface on that is being NATed.
[08:25] <nevyn> the gateway should be the internal ip of the ubuntu machine.
[08:27] <steve_fi> permissions question, can I set chown recursively in the same way that I can with chmod?
[08:27] <nrdb> nevyn, fine... changing the configuration now.
[08:27] <TakeItEZ> steve_fi: man chown (-R) yes
[08:28] <dharma> Hello
[08:28] <steve_fi> TakeItEZ, I only ask, because when I do it, it doesn't seem to work, but I'll figure it out :)
[08:28] <XeeNa> Hello
[08:28] <TakeItEZ> steve_fi: you try it on a non-unix-fs?
[08:28] <steve_fi> ext4 fs
[08:29] <khildin> hi all... anyone around that has build the xapian bindings for php5 for precise? (and willing to share the pakcages...)?
[08:29] <TakeItEZ> steve_fi: needs sudo if you aren't owner off all dirs/files you want to change
[08:29] <steve_fi> TakeItEZ, long story short, set up a wordpress site and I can't upload images, but I can change user to www-data and it works when I SSH
[08:30] <steve_fi> TakeItEZ, yeah, used sudo
[08:32] <TakeItEZ> steve_fi: wp-content/uploads is writable by www-data?
[08:34] <steve_fi> TakeItEZ, think I figured it out, I have two links to the uploads folder that I didn't notice, I think one of those folders has a permissions issue
[08:34] <sonofzeus> Hell
[08:35] <sonofzeus> Hello all
[08:35] <sonofzeus> Any of ya know lubuntus irc channel?
[08:35] <steve_fi> TakeItEZ,  my wordpress install was set to /usr/share/wordpress, but my uploads folder is /var/lib/wordpress/wp-content/uploads
[08:36] <steve_fi> and I had a link from /var/www pointing to the /usr/share/wordpress, but I hadn't noticed that it was in /var/lib ...
[08:37] <sonofzeus> Hey there does anyone here know lubuntus irc channel?
[08:37] <k1l_> sonofzeus: #lubuntu ?
[08:39] <callipygous> Hi, I'm running gnome classic, but cannot find a way to turn on expose.  Does anybody know how to turn it on?
[08:40] <bediinderjit> Hi, I am looking for a network inventory tool for windows
[08:40] <callipygous> Life is hard without expose.  I hate alt-tab, it's so windowws 95
[08:40] <bsprakashind> Hi, I am using Virtual Box on Ubuntu.. To create virtual machines.. System files drive. it got full suddenly.. And few VMs not able to access.. any idea, y this happening..
[08:43] <supertough> why is my counter strike source on ubuntu 12.10 is not as fast as on windows?
[08:44] <supertough> on windows i get 300fps constant and on linux it dips to 150fps
[08:44] <Zeev> bspaka: what got full
[08:44] <Zeev> probably driver is not as optimized as in windows
[08:44] <callipygous> u-u-ubunu
[08:44] <callipygous> +t
[08:45] <nrdb> nevyn, thanks for the help... it seems to be working fine now... doing some more test atm.
[08:46] <bsprakashind> Zeev: system drive it is full.. same I faced in CentOS.. i taut it's a bug, now I changed to Ubuntu 12.04.. And created VMs using Virtual Box
[08:46] <ekiwok> supertough, you are using wine, wine is not emulator but it's still different code than in windows that is not so good optimised
[08:46] <CrazyGangster> Hello ppl, how i can define charset=utf-8 on wget? I still get some strange characters when i wget a page.
[08:47] <callipygous> define strange
[08:47] <at-912> Hi! Is it possible to mount .vdi files (virtualbox) in linux?
[08:47] <ekiwok> supertough, unless you are running native linux game you shoud expect less fps, unfortunatly
[08:47] <not-a-troll> I got good fps playing games under wine
[08:47] <not-a-troll> this was back in the day, GTA Vice City
[08:48] <not-a-troll> I think it was called transgaming back then
[08:48] <not-a-troll> which was a fork of wine
[08:48] <not-a-troll> for gaming
[08:48] <nevyn> is.
[08:48] <revelc77> hi
[08:48] <Zeev> at912 why not?
[08:48] <revelc77> i have a aproblem with ubuntu 12.10
[08:48] <Zeev> at912 ok sry misunderstood your question
[08:48] <CrazyGangster> callipygous: like ÃƒÂ¤ÃƒÂ¶ÃƒÂ¼ÃƒÅ, is all about charset
[08:48] <not-a-troll> i think the frame rate was just as good as windows
[08:49] <revelc77> i lost LAN conectivity
[08:49] <not-a-troll> eww
[08:49] <revelc77> the eth0 continue with same ip and netmask and i can't ping any host on the same network
[08:49] <bsprakashind> Zeev: http://pastebin.centos.org/2044/ FYI
[08:49] <ekiwok> not-a-troll, it depends from many factors
[08:49] <callipygous> Anybody know how to turn on expose feature in gnome fallback session?
[08:50] <revelc77> i tried restarting network-manager
[08:50] <sybariten> a coupla ubuntu questions. I'mma start with the first one
[08:50] <callipygous> go
[08:50] <sybariten> Are there any versions of ubuntu that support /toram ?
[08:50] <revelc77> the only thing that i can't do it's to restart my notebook
[08:51] <sybariten> hm, dang, maybe i could have done some web research on that one myself first  :-/
[08:51] <DJones> sybariten: Boot to ram?
[08:51] <revelc77> does any body knows where i can't find more information? Logs ,etc .
[08:52] <sybariten> DJones: exactly
[08:52] <revelc77> i revised /var/log/* without success
[08:52] <sybariten> DJones: it used to be quite common in the knoppix days
[08:52] <DJones> sybariten: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM I've never used this, but hopefully will give you some pointers https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM
[08:52] <sybariten> using it for a live CD was pure bliss... you booted, and waited, and booted, and waited, and the disc spun like hell. Then, finally, you had a system that was snappy, to say the least
[08:53] <garrett> i need help with ubuntu
[08:54] <callipygous> I need help with gnome
[08:55] <callipygous> g-g-gnome
[08:57] <Guest28211> i need help installing java on ubuntu
[08:57] <bsprakashind> Ubuntu system drive got full 100%, When using VirtualBox, any clue, why this happened? http://pastebin.centos.org/2044/
[08:58] <failure> bsprakashind: your disk allocation in vb is what ?
[08:59] <Guest28211> i need help installing java on ubuntu
[08:59] <bsprakashind> vb means?
[08:59] <failure> virtualbox
[08:59] <bsprakashind> No, it's on Ubuntu
[08:59] <failure> blah
[08:59] <bsprakashind> On top of Ubuntu I used Virtual Box
[09:00] <failure> yeah
[09:00] <k1l_> !patience > callipygous
[09:00] <callipygous> as you would
[09:00] <failure> and your disk got eaten by VirtualBox
[09:00] <Guest28211> someone walk me through the steps of getting java working
[09:00] <callipygous> noted
[09:00] <Guest28211> i tried doing a couple different things and cant seem to get it working
[09:00] <bsprakashind> I dnt know or how... I created VMs in a different drove..
[09:00] <k1l_> callipygous: and i dont think it works on gnome fallback modus. since its a reduced desktop
[09:01] <callipygous> oh, but there must be a way
[09:01] <callipygous> there is always a way
[09:01] <failure> bsprakashind: are you sure ? default location is ~/VirtualBox VM/
[09:01] <failure> ~/VirtualBox VMs/
[09:01] <failure> even
[09:01] <callipygous> unless I use gnome 3 and find a way to have global menus
[09:01] <bsprakashind> Yes, I changed it to other drive to create  VM
[09:02] <Guest28211> is there a way i can install a plugin on chromium to get java working
[09:02] <Guest28211> or what
[09:02] <callipygous> the lack of global menus annoys me
[09:02] <k1l_> callipygous: expose is a 3d feature. fallback modus runs without 3d
[09:02] <Guest28211> because it wont directly install the plugin
[09:02] <woo> Guest28211: what are you trying to do?
[09:02] <callipygous> I've got 3d running ok with glx-dock
[09:02] <Guest28211> to just go on a chat website that uses java
[09:02] <bsprakashind> failure: same was happened in CentOS, so, i shifted to Ubuntu.. here also same issue..
[09:02] <woo> Guest28211: java like flashplayer from adobe?
[09:03] <callipygous> wait, that's opengl'
[09:03] <Guest28211> no it says java plugin not installed
[09:03] <Guest28211> and i try to install it and then it doesnt do anything
[09:04] <snuggl> Guest28211: how did you try to intall it?
[09:04] <snuggl> with apt-get/software-center ?
[09:05] <Guest28211> it says java is required to display some elements  then install plugin at the top of chromium
[09:05] <Guest28211> and when i click that it gtakes me to java.com which does nothing when i hit download]
[09:06] <TakeItEZ> !java | Guest28211
[09:07] <Guest28211> yeha i tried that too
[09:07] <nevyn> Guest28211: install the plugin package using software centre.
[09:07] <Guest28211> yeah i installed 7 and it still doesnt work via software centre
[09:07] <nevyn> did you restart your browser?
[09:07] <b80905> how do i fix my package system?
[09:08] <Guest28211> and the plugin doesnt exist on software centre
[09:08] <nevyn> yes it does.
[09:08] <TakeItEZ> !info icedtea-7-plugin
[09:08] <Guest28211> thats not what its telling me
[09:08] <b80905> my packages have unmet dependencies
[09:09] <b80905> how do i fix that?
[09:09] <jolaren> install them
[09:09] <nevyn> Guest28211: why did you change your name?
[09:09] <Guest28211> i didnt
[09:09] <Guest28211> ?
[09:10] <Guest28211> how can i take a picture of my screen and show you guys
[09:10] <Guest28211> i kknow how to screen cap but not link it
[09:11] <nevyn> imagebin.org ?
[09:11] <TakeItEZ> Guest28211: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin openjdk-7-jre
[09:11] <b80905> jolaren: thanks
[09:11] <teachmetohack> Anyone, can recommend me some channel about hacking or defacing? pleaseeee..
[09:11] <teachmetohack> Anyone, can recommend me some channel about hacking or defacing? pleaseeee..
[09:11] <b80905> who knows python?
[09:11] <Myrtti> teachmetohack: No.
[09:12] <teachmetohack> Why no?
[09:12] <ekiwok> teachmetohack, read about assembler and cisco materials
[09:12] <nevyn> teachmetohack: please get off the internet.
[09:12] <teachmetohack> i'm just trying to learn sometihng.
[09:12] <b80905> how do i unjoin a channel?
[09:12] <DJones> !illegal | teachmetohack
[09:12] <TakeItEZ> D!alis | teachmetohack: then learn to search on your own first
[09:12] <TakeItEZ> !alis
[09:13] <Guest28211> it said icedtea7 has no installiation candidate
[09:13] <b80905> how do i unjoin a channel?
[09:13] <Guest28211> takeitez
[09:13] <KevinSjoberg> b80905: Use /leave?
[09:13] <nevyn> Guest28211: icedtea-7-plugin
[09:13] <TakeItEZ> Guest28211: lsb_release -sd
[09:14] <Guest28211> ????
[09:14] <TakeItEZ> Guest28211: what is the output/your ubuntu version?
[09:14] <Guest28211> it just says no installation candidate and  wait a sec let me check
[09:14] <sonofzeus> hi i installed lubuntu a few mins ago v12.10 but the updater is again displaying 110 mb of updares . why?
[09:15] <sonofzeus> isnt 12.10 the latest version?
[09:15] <Guest28211> takeitez: how do i check versions
[09:15] <TakeItEZ> Guest28211:i told you: " lsb_release -sd "
[09:15] <Guest28211> oohhhhhh
[09:15] <Guest28211> kk
[09:16] <Guest28211> 11.10 takeitez
[09:17] <nevyn> sonofzeus: from when the dvd/cd/netinst went gold to now is... some time?
[09:17] <sonofzeus> hello
[09:17] <TakeItEZ> Guest28211: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install icedtea-6-plugin openjdk-6-jre
[09:17] <nevyn> sonofzeus: 6 months or so by my count.
[09:17] <sonofzeus> yeah 10 min
[09:17] <b80905> how do i reset my gnome desktop to the default state?
[09:17] <nevyn> sonofzeus: so 12.10 was released in octoberish last year.
[09:18] <nevyn> 110mb of updates from then to now seems... reasonable.
[09:18] <Guest28211> YES! takeitez
[09:18] <sonofzeus> but 12.10 is the latest.right?
[09:18] <nevyn> sonofzeus: yeah but 13.04 is just around the corner...
[09:18] <Ben64> sonofzeus: for about a week yeah
[09:18] <Guest28211> maybe it just didnt like 7 takeitez
[09:18] <nevyn> if we even do that..
[09:19] <b80905> how do i reset my gnome desktop?
[09:19] <sonofzeus> thanks neyn
[09:20] <Guest28211> so now should it work takeitez
[09:20] <Guest28211> thank you takeitez
[09:31] <bitterjug> hi, can anyone help me with an audio/pulse question? My Sound Settings list no devices even though the laptop has built in sound and pavucontrol lists the mics and shows the leve meter moving when thre is sound input. How can I make my input device show up?
[09:36] <jnhghy> Hi, I have a program that at a point reads some entries from a .dbf file, if I run this part of the program on a windows machine it takes about 2-3 seconds if I run it on an ubuntu machine throw dosemu it takes about 9 seconds if I run it on windows with the file located on ubuntu(shared via ntfs) it takes 40 seconds. My question can I make anything to ntfs/samba/... to run the script from a windows machine but keep the .dbf file on ubuntu? and have a dec
[09:36] <jnhghy> ent speed?
[09:41] <awadhesh> hi
[09:49] <roaster> greetings
[09:49] <slinnky> good morning
[09:58] <aldwinaldwin> Hello
[10:01] <aldwinaldwin> Question:  i've installed exim4 with a relay,  and have set the MAILTO= in crontab.  Via 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' i was able to masquerade the domain. The only thing I can't figure out, is to change  the  username 'root' in the From-Address to another username.   So, how to change  root(at)domainname.com  to   user(at)domainname.com ?
[10:04] <gao> hi
[10:04] <gao> anynone here?
[10:05] <slinnky> gao, yo
[10:05] <gao> :D
[10:05] <gao> do you use ubuntu?
[10:05] <slinnky> ubuntu gnome yis
[10:05] <slinnky> Are you having a problem with it?
[10:06] <gao> so you know the "set" command
[10:06] <gao> yeap
[10:06] <slinnky> set command?
[10:06] <ubuntu34256> hi folks, i'm installing ubuntu right now, but i don't know how much swap do i need???? help please
[10:06] <slinnky> ubuntu34256, how much RAM do you have?
[10:06] <ubuntu34256> i have 8gb
[10:06] <shojo> none lol
[10:07] <abhinavmehta> how to start telnet server on other port than 23
[10:07] <slinnky> haha
[10:07] <slinnky> ubuntu34256, 8gb is the standard advice
[10:07] <slinnky> ubuntu34256, how big is your hard drive?
[10:07] <ubuntu34256> 260gb on ssd
[10:07] <slinnky> ubuntu34256, make it 2gb then :)
[10:08] <slinnky> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_much_swap_do_I_need.3F
[10:08] <ubuntu34256> thank you slinnky!
[10:08] <gao> printenv command shows global environment variables
[10:09] <gao> the set sommand shows local environment variables
[10:09] <ubuntu34256> could i install without swap? or i'ts no recommended?
[10:09] <gao> but when i typed set i can't see the local environment variables :S
[10:10] <slinnky> gao, oh you're talking about in bash
[10:10] <slinnky> man set
[10:10] <gao> yes
[10:10] <Dark_light> ubuntu34256: you can but you'd miss out on caching
[10:10] <gao> nothing appears :S
[10:10] <shojo> slinnky:  isn't SWAP  just HDD space linux uses as RAM?
[10:10] <slinnky> shojo, yes if it needs it
[10:11] <gao> slinnky
[10:11] <Dark_light> shojo: nope not just that
[10:11] <bsprakashind> VirtualBox is eating up system space.. how to get that space back?
[10:11] <shojo> oh, sorry
[10:11] <gao> could you try it on your ubuntu?
[10:11] <Dark_light> shojo: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=MContent&pageid=314
[10:11] <abhinavmehta> sorry my telnet client crashed…please repost if someone answered about telnet problem
[10:11] <callipygous> telnet
[10:11] <snuggl> abhinavmehta: noone uses telnet anymore
[10:12] <snuggl> abhinavmehta: upgrade to ssh!
[10:12] <ubuntu34256> Dark_light, ok  so, 2gb is good?
[10:12] <gao> slinnky,could you try it on your ubuntu?
[10:12] <callipygous> ssh! ftw!
[10:12] <abhinavmehta> snuggl: thats okay…I'm just doing some handy network tests
[10:12] <abhinavmehta> and I need telnet server running on some other port than 23
[10:12] <snuggl> abhinavmehta: use netcat for the random socket and text-tests imo
[10:12] <snuggl> ah
[10:12] <Dark_light> ubuntu34256: yeah it should, I usually make it as big as my ram just in case since it's used for hibernation too (if you activate it)
[10:13] <callipygous> ram ram
[10:13] <Dark_light> ubuntu34256: you could however use a swapfile if you don't want to make a partition only for swap
[10:13] <abhinavmehta> I tried googling but failed to find that .conf file where I can change telnet server port
[10:14] <ubuntu34256> no, i don't need hibernation, but i have 8gb of Ram and miss 8gb of hard disk i'ts too much, i think
[10:14] <Dark_light> well then 2 gb will be plenty :-)
[10:14] <ekiwok> ubuntu34256: you can turn off swam pernamently
[10:15] <Dark_light> ekiwok: I wouldn't unless you really hate page caching
[10:15] <gao> anyone knows the set command :D
[10:16] <slinnky> gao, are you running 13.04?
[10:16] <gao> slinnky,12.10 maybe
[10:16] <shojo> ubuntu34256: I was just kidding saying you need none :P
[10:16] <callipygous> anybody know how to get fall back gnome session expose?
[10:16] <bsprakashind> VirtualBox is eating up system space in Ubuntu 12.04.. how to get that space back? Any clue.. Please help
[10:17] <shojo> i vote you get 4 GB swap
[10:17] <ekiwok> Dark_light: If you have so much RAM are there any disatvantages of turning off swap?
[10:17] <ubuntu34256> ok thanks guys for the patience, I have allocated 2GB for installation right now!
[10:17] <Dark_light> ekiwok: yes the system doesn't do page caching read up here for a quick explanation http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=MContent&pageid=314
[10:17] <ubuntu34256> shojo,  :D
[10:18] <abhinavmehta> anyone on how to change telnet server port?
[10:18] <gao> slinnky,can the set command shows local environment variables on your system?
[10:18] <slinnky> gao, nah it disappeared in 13.04 :)
[10:18] <slinnky> I'm trying to find out what package it's in....... but why would you be messing with environmental variables?
[10:18] <Dark_light> ekiwok: if you don't want to have a partition for it you can use a swapfile which has the advantage that's easely resizable
[10:18] <gao> be deleted?
[10:19] <slinnky> gao, use 'env' instead of 'set'
[10:19] <gao> slinkky,ty very much i have a try :d
[10:20] <gao> it works
[10:20] <gao> slinnky, ty for your patience :D
[10:20] <slinnky> hah, no prob
[10:20] <shojo> my linux Mint12 just told me i have some malicious client eavesdropping... what should i do?
[10:21] <shojo> i trust what linux tells me, it's a lot smarter than me!
[10:21] <slinnky> shojo, remove the kernel
[10:21] <abhinavmehta> if I change entry in /etc/services, than how to reload that configuration without off course restarting the machine?
[10:21] <slinnky> shojo, rpm -r linux-kernel
[10:22] <RandomSort> Hi, is there a way to downgrade a package? specificaly cifs-utils 2:5.5-1ubuntu -> 2:5.1-1ubuntu1
[10:22] <slinnky> RandomSort, did you get it from a ppa?
[10:22] <shojo> slinnky: whut??
[10:23] <RandomSort> I've jsut installed the newest version with apt-get
[10:23] <Krambiorix> hi guys, when trying to apt-get install something, i get the error that i have to perform sudo apt-get -f install . When i do that , i get : libreoffice-common (1:4.0.2~rc2-0ubuntu1~precise1) breaks libreoffice-emailmerge (<< 1:4.0.2~rc2)
[10:23] <Krambiorix> what can i do?!
[10:24] <slinnky> RandomSort, is it buggy?
[10:24] <RandomSort> The issue I'm experiencing I've described here:http://serverfault.com/questions/491464/directories-shown-as-files-when-sharing-a-mounted-cifs-drive
[10:24] <slinnky> ahhh
[10:24] <RandomSort> basically I have a weird samba issue
[10:24] <slinnky> RandomSort, http://www.howtogeek.com/117929/how-to-downgrade-packages-on-ubuntu/
[10:24] <slinnky> scroll down to the apt-get section
[10:25] <RandomSort> I've had it working with smbfs rather than cifs, so I'd like to try that since nothing I've tried for the last three weeks has made any progress
[10:25] <RandomSort> thanks slinnky
[10:26] <slinnky> np
[10:29] <shojo> slinnky: i said i'm not as smart as linux..... i didn't say i was stupid! :<
[10:31] <sdnme> inotifywait -m /userdata/home/ -e create --format %f &  is it possible to store the output value to  variable and i dont want any out put in terminal
[10:31] <slinnky> shojo, ah I thought you were trolling for a min :)
[10:31] <slinnky> shojo, what are you doing when you get that error? are you in firefox?
[10:31] <shojo> dude no ... :<
[10:32] <shojo> well i kind of always have firefox on
[10:32] <slinnky> gksu ?
[10:32] <shojo> it was "dude, no.." to the trolling question. I hate trolls :<
[10:33] <slinnky> well - are you trying to do something as administrator when you get that error?
[10:33] <rob_p> shojo: Let me guess... So you tried to ssh into another box and it said something about the possibility of someone doing something nasty like a man-in-the-middle attack or something, right?
[10:33] <shojo> i just left my pc in stand by last night, woke up, typed in my pw. then i noticed i had updates to run, so i licked that,....and before i typed in my pw again, that message appeared
[10:34] <shojo> rob_p: No, i dont even know how to ssh...:<
[10:34] <rob_p> shojo: Ok... Just a common question that comes up...
[10:34] <shojo> oh, ok... as long as you don't call me a troll again...
[10:35] <auronandace> !mint | shojo
[10:35] <rob_p> shojo: I didn't! :)
[10:35] <shojo> but i liek you guys better :<
[10:35] <snuggl> shojo: just ignore it
[10:35] <shojo> like*
[10:35] <snuggl> the message
[10:35] <snuggl> its prbably sloppy mint devs changing keys or URLs or similar.
[10:36] <shojo> ok thanks
[10:36] <snuggl> (if you arent a spy or similar that actually could be evesdropped on)
[10:36] <guang> i install firefox from source tar.bz2,but i encounter a problem
[10:37] <snuggl> guang: why did you install from source?
[10:37] <guang> /usr/bin/ld: libxul.so: hidden symbol `_ZN13nsWifiMonitor6DoScanEv' isn't defined
[10:37] <auronandace> guang: why aren't you using the one in the repo?
[10:37] <guang> i am compiling firefox for my "lfs" system
[10:37] <snuggl> guang: this is #ubuntu
[10:37] <guang> but i can not seek help form #lfs
[10:38] <auronandace> guang: that doesn't make this lfs support
[10:38] <auronandace> guang: ask in ##linux
[10:38] <guang> thanks ,i will try
[10:38] <lesshaste> in 12.04 how do I create a new admin user?
[10:38] <lesshaste> udo adduser username --group sudo
[10:38] <shojo> snuggl: i don't really understand...why would i spy on myself?
[10:38] <lesshaste> doesn't work
[10:39] <lesshaste> I mean sudo
[10:39] <snuggl> lesshaste: add normal accout
[10:39] <snuggl> lesshaste: then add them to /etc/sudoers
[10:39] <lesshaste> from the command line I mean
[10:39] <snuggl> shojo: it was a joke =P
[10:39] <lesshaste> sudo username syed --group admin
[10:39] <lesshaste> oops
[10:39] <lesshaste> sudo adduser username --group admin
[10:39] <lesshaste> maybe that?
[10:39] <shojo> snuggl: :D:D:D
[10:40] <AtuM> lol
[10:40] <snuggl> lesshaste: 1. add an account just as any account
[10:40] <snuggl> lesshaste: 2. add this new account to /etc/sudoers
[10:41] <Ben64> no. 2. add user to sudo group
[10:41] <auronandace> Ben64 +1
[10:41] <Ben64> sudo usermod -a -G sudo <user>
[10:41] <snuggl> sure if you prefer groups
[10:41] <Ben64> its how ubuntu is set up
[10:41] <lesshaste> should it be the admin group?
[10:41] <auronandace> lesshaste: no
[10:42] <lesshaste> k
[10:42] <lesshaste> thanks
[10:43] <jemadux> do you play on fics chess ?
[10:44] <bipul> jemadux: Well gnome chess is a bullshit
[10:44] <auronandace> !language | bipul
[10:44] <jemadux> bipul, how do i change the password ?
[10:44] <bipul> auronandace: Op's sorry
[10:45] <bipul> jemadux: Password of what?
[10:45] <jemadux> on fics
[10:46] <bipul> jemadux: If you are trying to change the account password then Type simple passwd  in terminal
[10:46] <maix> hi friends !
[10:47] <bipul> what is fics?
[10:47] <slinnky> free internet chess server
[10:47] <maix> how are you?
[10:47] <auronandace> maix: need help with a ubuntu issue?
[10:48] <bipul> http://www.freechess.org/Help/HelpFiles/password.html check this jemadux
[10:48] <jemadux> bipul: i checked but i dont understand
[10:48] <jemadux> what saying
[10:49] <bipul> What you have not understood.
[10:49] <maix> auronandace No thanks, I'm fine =)
[10:49] <bipul> auronandace: Hi
[10:49] <auronandace> bipul: hi
[10:49] <bipul> auronandace: How are you?
[10:50] <maix> auronandace I came for the language
[10:50] <auronandace> bipul: ready to help with what i can
[10:51] <bipul> auronandace: sorry i don't get you?
[10:51] <auronandace> bipul: i'm here to render aid to those who require assistance with ubuntu problems
[10:52] <auronandace> maix: if you fancy chatting then #ubuntu-offtopic might be helpful for you
[10:53] <bipul> auronandace: Are you ubuntu member
[10:53] <auronandace> bipul: just a user
[10:54] <bipul> Nice to know auronandace
[10:54] <bipul> But i feel that i know you.
[10:54] <maix> auronandace can not we choose?
[10:55] <auronandace> maix: this channel is just for support, feel free to watch or join in helping others
[10:57] <maix> auronandace watch and learn this is why I came here
[10:57] <bipul> maix: what's you problem ?
[10:59] <maix> auronandace no, sorry, it's okay
[11:01] <maix> auronandace I'm a developer, learning English, thanks for the concern
[11:02] <aldwinaldwin> Question:  i've installed exim4 with a relay,  and have set the MAILTO= in crontab.  Via 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' i was able to masquerade the domain. The only thing I can't figure out, is to change  the  username 'root' in the From-Address to another username.   So, how to change  root(at)domainname.com  to   user(at)domainname.com ?
[11:03] <AtuM> aldwinaldwin, .mailrc used to help
[11:04] <auronandace> !pm > maix
[11:05] <aldwinaldwin> i'll try the .mailrc , thx AtuM
[11:08] <abinez> 米国http://news.qq.com/a/20130416/000137.htm
[11:08] <DJones> !ot | abinez
[11:08] <AtuM> aldwinaldwin, it depends also on the mail client.. if you can not tell the client to use .mailrc or define the sender, you might need to make a rewrite rule. I don't know exim that much, but it can be done in sendmail
[11:09] <abinez> 神嘛啊
[11:10] <bazhang> abinez, #ubuntu-cn
[11:10] <abinez> I can‘t say English
[11:10] <abinez> bazhang: 你是中文的吧
[11:11] <bipul> abinez: But you can Type in english, it's not hard you have to work on keyboard :D
[11:11] <bazhang> abinez, english here only
[11:11] <bazhang> !cn | abinez
[11:11] <abinez>  /join #ubuntu-cn
[11:11] <abinez> 无效
[11:12] <aldwinaldwin> AtuM, if I would use sendmail, then how would i have to do that?
[11:12] <AtuM> aldwinaldwin, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Sendmail-Address-Rewrite-3.html
[11:13] <AtuM> aldwinaldwin, it might be easier to do this in exim... anyone here done this?
[11:14] <aldwinaldwin> AtuM, ok, i've tried some of those things with sendmail, but got stuck, and returned to exim ... will have another try. thank you
[11:16] <lateralus> sup guys... i need some help.. anyone knows how to get rid of this problem?
[11:16] <lateralus> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:18] <AtuM> aldwinaldwin, trial and error until it works is sometimes the only way of making things work and learn what you need to know
[11:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:21] <nunne> I have an old installation of gentoo.. that works.. but has some problems.. so want to re-install it. it uses mdraid. and it all works in the gentoo dist. but when I boot ubuntu 12.10 from usb-stick.. install mdadm and run mdadm --assemble --scan it will only detect the boot partition (/dev/md1) and not the root partition (/dev/md3). I have copied the mdadm.conf from gentoo to ubuntu and tried.
[11:21] <nunne> but still will only detect the /boot partition.. Also ubuntu doesn't detect the different parititons like /dev/sda1, 2 and 3.. only /dev/sda .. but running fdisk on /dev/sda and sdb I can see linux raid autodetect (and swap) on the three partitions on each disk (boot, swap and root)
[11:22] <aldwinaldwin> AtuM, indeed, after 2 days, i finally got the the email working, 1: how to setup email - check done 2: howto use a relay - check done 3: howto change domain name so relay would except the emails - check done 4:  change from address  root -> aldwinaldwin -  nowhere information :-(
[11:22] <nunne> anyone have any idea how to sort this out? the gentoo box will get kernel panic doing anything to fancy.. and I want to transfer my files from one box to another,¨
[11:23] <_dreamer> Hello, I recently fell into great disappointment when I bought the Diablo III steelseries headset and tried to use it in ubuntu. The mike seems to be working but I am unable to get any sound from the headphones. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[11:24] <bipul> _dreamer: use killall pseudo in terminal and check
[11:24] <AtuM> aldwinaldwin, well some programs default to send email to root@localhost... so either redefine settings of those programs (logrotate, cron,..) or make a rewrite rule. the aliases file might also help to forward mail from root to another email
[11:25] <honey> hello
[11:25] <GrygrFlzr> hi
[11:27] <GrygrFlzr> Trying to boot ubuntu live CD, purple screen shows up, and then a forever blinking underscore black screen? Did I break something?
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> Gycklarn: what GPU do you use?
[11:28] <honey> sudo-phantom, hmmm
[11:28] <philinux> GrygrFlzr: what graphics card have u got
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> GrygrFlzr: or does the system have a make and model?
[11:29] <_dreamer> Hello, I recently fell into great disappointment when I bought the Diablo III steelseries headset and tried to use it in ubuntu. The mike seems to be working but I am unable to get any sound from the headphones. Does anyone know how to fix this? Steelseries have no support on ubuntu but does anyone know if someone else has figured this one out? All I get on google is worthless
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> _dreamer: did you set the right device as output? how does it connect to the system?
[11:30] <_dreamer> usb
[11:30] <_dreamer> And it has a sepparate usb soundcard
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> _dreamer: did you set the device as the output device in sound prefs
[11:31] <GrygrFlzr> philinux, ActionParsnip: Laptop, Acer Aspire 4736G, gfx card is NVIDIA GeForce G105M
[11:31] <_dreamer> Ive fiddled in the visual gui but nothing, that is how I know the microphone is working
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> GrygrFlzr: add the boot option: nouveau.blacklist=1
[11:32] <philinux> ActionParsnip: would nomodeset work too for GrygrFlzr
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> _dreamer: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[11:32] <_dreamer> The only items are my 2 graphic cards,built-in analog stereo and Siberia V2 D3H Analog Stereo
[11:33] <nevyn> DrShoggoth: is the device plugged in?
[11:33] <_dreamer> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=3e1359b979cdb542c92e66a18b34e58e3c31e225
[11:33]  * nevyn waits for a 2tb filesystem to shrink.
[11:33] <GrygrFlzr> philinux, ActionParsnip: I do not get a prompt anywhere, where can I use either of those options?
[11:34] <philinux> GrygrFlzr: at the splash screen press any key
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> !bootoption | GrygrFlzr
[11:34] <philinux> the initial spalsh screen as disk bots
[11:34] <GrygrFlzr> the purple one?
[11:34] <GrygrFlzr> ah, gotcha
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> _dreamer: if you run:  alsamixer     are all levels cranked and unmuted? Use F6 to switch devices.
[11:34] <GrygrFlzr> will do
[11:35] <_dreamer> yes
[11:35] <_dreamer> I can hear now
[11:35] <_dreamer> but my sound is crackling again
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> _dreamer: tried a different USB port?
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> _dreamer: tried pavucontrol too?
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> _dreamer: may also help http://askubuntu.com/questions/14077/how-can-i-change-the-default-audio-device-from-command-line
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> _dreamer: otherwise I'l report a bug
[11:36] <_dreamer> It works, but now my sound is crackling again
[11:36] <nevyn> crackling?
[11:36] <nevyn> from what application/source?
[11:36] <_dreamer> where is the location of the config file for setting tsched=0?
[11:37] <_dreamer> Here for example
[11:37] <_dreamer> propably skype as well
[11:37] <_dreamer> nope
[11:37] <_dreamer> well
[11:37] <_dreamer> Thank you all
[11:37] <_dreamer> I am no longer disappointed but rather pleased
[11:38] <_dreamer> ^
[11:38] <khildin> Anyone knows a simple tool (not a plain ping) to monitor if a connection with a server is intact?
[11:38] <honey> i think i missed something.
[11:38] <lesshaste> what's a good remote desktop solution for ubuntu?
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> khildin: what is wrong with ping?
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: rdesktop
[11:38] <lesshaste> both ends are running ubuntu
[11:38] <_dreamer> Only problem is steelseries doesn't make the config application for the headphones for ubuntu
[11:38] <_dreamer> :/
[11:38] <chunkyhead> does anyone know how to put a single wallpaper for all workstations? like image workstations has different parts of the same wallpaper
[11:38] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, thanks.. what do you run at the remote end?
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: remmina
[11:39] <_dreamer> Again, thanks for the help
[11:39] <_dreamer> :)
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: on the remote end I use windows TS
[11:39] <lesshaste> windows :)
[11:39] <lesshaste> both ends are running ubuntu
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: I dont use remote desktop on Linux, its ugly and clunky
[11:39] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, that's why I asked :)
[11:39] <chunkyhead> does anyone know how to put a single wallpaper for all workstations? like image workstations has different parts of the same wallpaper. which you change workstation it goes on to the next part, kinda like on the andriod devices we see
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: what are you doing on the remote system?
[11:39] <lesshaste> running mathematica
[11:39] <lesshaste> which is horribly slow over X
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: could run vino, i don't suggest vnc over wan
[11:40] <lesshaste> I don't know vino.. and why not vnc?
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> khildin: there is nagios if you want, you could also use nmap to check for listening ports
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: vnc over wan is very unsecure
[11:41] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, oh.. I thought you could tunnel it through ssh or something similar
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: yes that is the advised way
[11:41] <lesshaste> there are also nx based things
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> !vnc | lesshaste
[11:41] <lesshaste> which I have never tried
[11:41] <lesshaste> X really shou;l
[11:41] <lesshaste> shouldn't be so shockingly slow
[11:42] <lesshaste> thanks.. maybe I will try freenx or some clone
[11:42] <khildin> ActionParsnip - nagios seems a bit heavy... but thnx anyway
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: you could run the mathmatica app on the client system then use the remote system as an SFTP server which nautilus can connect to
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: run the app on the local pc
[11:43] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, now you have confused me. It is only installed remotely. What are you suggesting?
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> khildin: you could script telnet to connect to the sockets
[11:43] <khildin> I can start a telnet session, but then I still haven't got an overview when connection fails...
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: instal it on the cient side too, then access the same user data via SFTP (enabled when you install openssh-server), you will then be able to manipulate the remote files using locally installed applications
[11:44] <hemangpatel> My compiler does not support C++0x. what can i do ?
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: install the build-essential package will help
[11:44] <GrygrFlzr> Tried nouveau.blacklist=1, getting Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal Exception in interrupt
[11:44] <hemangpatel> ActionParsnip : installed
[11:44] <hemangpatel> but no success
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> GrygrFlzr: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[11:45] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, oh I can't do that
[11:45] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, it is only installed remotely and I can't install it anywhere else
[11:45] <GrygrFlzr> ActionParsnip, I used the torrent, so I assumed that the torrent hash was already valid
[11:45] <GrygrFlzr> will check just in case though
[11:45] <philinux> GrygrFlzr: try nomodeset
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> GrygrFlzr: true, if you used a CD did you burn the CD as slowly as possible
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: then you will need to take the speed hit
[11:46] <lesshaste> what's a nice freebx clone for ubuntu?
[11:46] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, well vnc or freenx will be ok I am sure
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> !freenx
[11:46] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, it's only X that is TERRIBLE! :)
[11:46] <philinux> !nomodeset
[11:46] <Loren> hello
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: in some cases, yes in others is great
[11:46] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, when is it great over a wan?
[11:47] <Loren> how do I join in ludichat?
[11:47] <philinux> GrygrFlzr: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: how the app can be disaplyed remotely from the server, much like citrix :)
[11:47] <hemangpatel> ActionParsnip : using cmake command
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> Loren: /j #ludichat
[11:47] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, right but it is dog slow
[11:47] <lesshaste> in any case... neatx is dead it seems
[11:47] <hemangpatel> ActionParsnip : https://github.com/coolwanglu/pdf2htmlEX
[11:47] <lesshaste> there was an active project
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: true but the modularity gives it taht great feature. Means you can load a GUI media player on a system and the keybresses manipulate a remote device for audio output, very groovy :)
[11:49] <lesshaste> foudn it
[11:49] <lesshaste> x2go
[11:49] <sruli> Hi all, I am trying to connect to a VLAN, I installed VLAN, is there a gui to confiure it?
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: isn't that in poppler-utils ?
[11:50] <hemangpatel> ActionParsnip : means ?
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: install poppler-utils and you can convert PDF to HTML.....
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: is that the desire?
[11:51] <hemangpatel> yes i want pdf2htmlEX for better result
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: how can you get better html?
[11:52] <hemangpatel> ActionParsnip : i installed once . but now it creates problem
[11:52] <hemangpatel> Error: you compiler does not support C++0x, please update it.
[11:52] <GrygrFlzr> philinux: using nomodeset returns me to the black screen with blinking underscore
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: what is the output of:  cat /tc/issue
[11:53] <aldwinaldwin> AtuM, got it :  /etc/email-addresses  !!!
[11:53] <hemangpatel> ActionParsnip : what ?
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: run the command in terminal, what is output?
[11:54] <hemangpatel> cat: /tc/issue: No such file or directory
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel:  cat /etc/issue
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: I typoed :(
[11:54] <sruli> I am trying to connect to a VLAN, I installed VLAN, is there a gui to confiure it?
[11:54] <hemangpatel> Ubuntu 11.10 \n \l
[11:54] <joonie> hi all
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: not much life left in that dude but I have a PPA :)
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:coolwanglu/pdf2htmlex; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install pdf2htmlex
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: your release has about 2 weeks support left. I'd upgrade soon
[11:56] <hemangpatel> ActionParsnip : i tried that. But it gives segmentation fault when i type pdf2htmlEX
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: that big command will install it for you
[11:56] <Pudding> Hi
[11:56] <Loren> hello
[11:57] <Pudding> How can I see the details of a message in my mailq?
[11:57] <Pudding> like which user sent the mail
[11:57] <Loren> can someone show me the ropes? I'm new in Xchat
[11:57] <Loren> what?
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> Pudding: in the mail> prompt if you type the number of the mail it should give details if memory serves
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> Loren: what do you need to know?
[12:00] <hemangpatel> ActionParsnip : why segmentation fault ? any idea ?
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: no idea, try contacting the PPA maintainer
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Pudding: http://lowfatlinux.com/linux-read-email.html   like that..
[12:00] <hemangpatel> ok thanks
[12:01] <philinux> GrygrFlzr: any chance you can try a live usb
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> GrygrFlzr: if you intend to only install Ubuntu (not a dual boot) the alternate ISO is good as it installs in CLI mode :)
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> GrygrFlzr: it gives a desktop OS though
[12:03] <philinux> ActionParsnip: did they drop the alternate from 12.10?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> philinux, yes
[12:04] <philinux> BluesKaj: thought so
[12:04] <BluesKaj> unfortunately
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> theres always the mini :)
[12:06] <philinux> ActionParsnip: I've had problems with cds hanging but live usbs seem more reliable
[12:06] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, is there a kubuntu mini
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: the mini is desktopless, you can install any of the DEs as you wish using the mini
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: so, no and yes at the same time ;)
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: mini just installs kernel + drivers + package apps + bootloader
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: I like to then install fluxbox, slim and wicd. Super fast punchy OS
[12:10] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, cool , maybe Ican install a nice clean kde desktop without all the PIM stuff and Akonadi and Nepomuk etc..trouble is that stuff comes as part of the kubuntu-desktop
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: exactly, you can install the plasma-desktop and get a minimal kde (if memory serves)
[12:11] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, that sounds ideal :)
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: look online and you can get a minimal desktop then build up
[12:11] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, right
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: or go hardcore and use apt-build :)
[12:11]  * BluesKaj searches
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: its like emerge in gentoo
[12:12] <BluesKaj> yeah , so I've heard , ActionParsnip
[12:13] <BluesKaj> time consuming but rewarding , ActionParsnip'
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> i can't see much gain in this day and age
[12:15] <Dark_light> plus from what I read it doesn't support use flags
[12:15] <joshu> i have an ubuntu desktop install which won't boot past the purple screen with the red dots underneath…if I boot to recovery mode I get  "Please enter username to authenticate with server…webdav or hit enter for none" I hit enter but nothing happens
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> joshu: does the system have a make and model?
[12:16] <hemangpatel> ActionParsnip : libfontforge1 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15) but 2.13-20ubuntu5.3 is to be installed
[12:16] <joshu> ActionParsnip sorry it's a virtual machine
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> joshu: have you tried different settings for the VM in display?
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> hemangpatel: are there bugs reported?
[12:17] <joshu> it has been working fine until last night when I had to power down due to power outage…
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> joshu: what OS is the host?
[12:17] <joshu> it's VMware vSphere
[12:17] <joshu> ESXi
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> joshu: have you fsck'd the partitions?
[12:18] <hemangpatel> no
[12:18] <mukulgupta_> I am new to ubuntu. I am able to connect to my wireless router but I can't ping the router sometimes. Everytime I start my pc I spend 15-20 irrititating minutes switching on/off my laptop wifi in the hope that for once, it will be able to ping to the router consistently and it does it. I never face this issue with windows. I have a dual boot configuration. I am desperately trying to get a hang of linux and want to find out why th
[12:18] <joshu> ActionParsnip I believe it did that automatically during reboot
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> joshu: I would do that as well as fsck the guest file system in single user mode / live cd
[12:18] <hemangpatel> can i upgrade libc6 ?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> mukulgupta_: does the system have a make and model?
[12:19] <joshu> I think but not sure that it may have something to do with mounting a webdav folder..but I'm not sure how I can disable it as I can't get in to the OS
[12:19] <mukulgupta_> ActionParsnip: Dell Studio 1555
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> mukulgupta_: did you disable the ability for the device (in windows) to wake up the OS as well as disable power management?
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> mukulgupta_: have you read any how to guides for ubuntu with respect to your particular model to see if there are any littel tweaks to make it run better?
[12:20] <mukulgupta_> ActionParsnip: No, I am running everything on default settings
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> mukulgupta_: so what HAVE you done...?
[12:21] <mukulgupta_> ActionParsnip: No. I will search for them
[12:21] <Elvano> Recently I'm having increasingly problems with my wireless internet. It regalurly  takes such a long time to get a response my requests time out. I haven't had this problem on the Windowsinstallation. Anyone any idea what this could be about?
[12:21] <joshu> ActionParsnip I've booted from the UBuntu desktop lived…What do I do now? "try ubuntu without installing"?
[12:22] <mukulgupta_> ActionParsnip: I tried to change the network settings. The setting dhcp manually, etc.
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> joshu: yes, so you get the live desktop, you can now fsck the partitions in the guest
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> mukulgupta_: you may find windows is stinking up the place
[12:22] <joshu> ActionParsnip ok I will do this now and report back. thanks
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> joshu: obviously don't mount the partitions ;)
[12:24] <mukulgupta_> is there something like ipconfig /release /renew in linux?
[12:24] <Loren> I hate linux
[12:24] <GrygrFlzr> mukulgupta_, isn't it ifconfig?
[12:25] <compdoc> aww, linux is your friend
[12:25] <gustav> Loren: xD
[12:25] <mukulgupta_> GrygrFlzr: I am a new linux user. I was talking about linux analogous commands to windows commands of ipconfig /renew /release
[12:25] <Loren> nah. I'm kidding.. >.>
[12:25] <mukulgupta_> I know there is ifconfig but it doesnt have release renew
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> mukulgupta_: just restart the networking service
[12:26] <GrygrFlzr> I'm also new, just new ifconfig was the somewhat equivalent of ifconfig
[12:26] <GrygrFlzr> *ipconfig
[12:26] <ekiwok> mukulgupta, ifconfig eth0 down ifconfig eth0 up
[12:26] <mukulgupta_> ekiwok: thanks
[12:27] <trap24> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio doesn't work in ubuntu 12.04 ? i'm logged into root. any suggestions ?
[12:27] <alakoo1> Hi I'm new to ubuntu. When I open a window fullscreen (firefox example) I can't get it back. I can't reach the top bar or any other place that'd react with my cursor. How do I adjust the size of the window now?
[12:28] <alakoo1> the same problem with irc right now :P
[12:28] <joshu> ActionParsnip it took like 2 sec and came back clean
[12:28] <trap24> alakoo1: have you tried pressing alt+space keys ??
[12:28] <trap24> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio doesn't work in ubuntu 12.04 ? i'm logged into root. any suggestions ?
[12:29] <alakoo1> trap24: no :P it worked, thanks for the tip..
[12:29] <nevyn> trap24: try speaker-test -c 2
[12:30] <trap24> nevyn: okies it works. how do i hear the God's voice ?
[12:30] <nevyn> aplay /vmlinuz
[12:31] <trap24> nevyn: i saw a god speaking in youtube :| its random noise here
[12:32] <trap24> alakoo1: try taking your cursor to top-,left of the screen. get used to it, and it makes unity easier
[12:32] <lucky_> 有人会说中文吗？
[12:33] <alakoo1> trap24: oh indeed, gotta study unity more since I've only used k/xubuntus before
[12:34] <trap24> alakoo1: after getting used to most features, i find unity far more usable than other desktop envs. :)
[12:35] <Elvano> alakoo1, Gnome3 *cough*
[12:40] <CKLMN> !ask
[12:40] <CKLMN> im trying to compile a test.c that has #include <openssl/des.h>
[12:40] <CKLMN> i get fatal error
[12:40] <CKLMN> no such file or directory
[12:41] <gustav> CKLMN: sudo apt-get install libssl-dev
[12:41] <CKLMN> openssl is installed btw
[12:41] <gustav> CKLMN: Then try again.
[12:41] <gustav> Oh.
[12:41] <gustav> Add -I/usr/include to gcc parameters.
[12:42] <CKLMN> thnx
[12:47] <chunkyhead> there are several errors with root on my computer right now, how to save all my installed packages and home folder so that i can restore them when i am done reinstalling ubuntu?
[12:48] <Ralf22> When I install 13.04 beta now, will I be up to date when the final version is released?
[12:48] <JuJuBee> I have a computer preinstalled with windows 8.  I installed ubuntu 12.10 yesterday and did not get the boot menu after restart, it just went to ubuntu.  I changed the default/order of boot partitions in bios and got the boot menu to show up.  Later I did a windows update and the boot menu is gone again.  Is this http://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-installed-uefi-supported-windows-8-system the correct way to ins
[12:48] <JuJuBee> ubuntu with windows 8 ?  Just want  to make sure before I re-install ubuntu.
[12:53] <minas> is there a way to disable "scrolling switch" on ubuntu 13.04?
[12:55] <Dark_light> JuJuBee: most likely you have to disable secure boot in your bios or enable legacy support instead of efi/uefi
[12:56] <clare> hi how to install lingoes on ubuntu
[12:56] <clare> a dictionary
[12:56] <JuJuBee> Dark_light: secure boot is disabled
[12:59] <CKLMN> !ask
[12:59] <CKLMN> trying to compile a program that has #include <openssl/des.h> but i still get linker errors
[12:59] <CKLMN> /tmp/cc0fMPHD.o: In function `main':
[12:59] <CKLMN> tempdes.c:(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `DES_set_key_checked'
[12:59] <CKLMN> tempdes.c:(.text+0x82): undefined reference to `DES_encrypt1'
[12:59] <CKLMN> tempdes.c:(.text+0xbd): undefined reference to `DES_encrypt1'
[12:59] <CKLMN> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[13:00] <CKLMN> !ask
[13:00] <battlehands> I need to view the README file README.wattch in the directory that I am currently in.  Can someone provide me the instruction to do this?  I've tried ./README.wattch and README.wattch
[13:01] <CKLMN> trying to compile a program that has #include <openssl/des.h> but i still get linker errors
[13:01] <CKLMN> /tmp/cc0fMPHD.o: In function `main':
[13:01] <CKLMN> tempdes.c:(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `DES_set_key_checked'
[13:01] <CKLMN> tempdes.c:(.text+0x82): undefined reference to `DES_encrypt1'
[13:01] <CKLMN> tempdes.c:(.text+0xbd): undefined reference to `DES_encrypt1'
[13:01] <CKLMN> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[13:01] <Pici> CKLMN: you don't need to type !ask every time you ask a question. Aslo, please stop repeating so often.
[13:01] <flam_> cat README.wattch
[13:01] <battlehands> flam, what is cat ?
[13:01] <CKLMN> Pici , ok
[13:02] <flam_> whatis cat
[13:02] <flam_> cat (1)              - concatenate files and print on the standard output
[13:02] <battlehands> and I'm to use that open the file just for viewing?
[13:03] <BooKollektor> Hey people
[13:04] <GrygrFlzr> Tried booting live ubuntu on a usb without any extra parameters, getting stuck on 'input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input4'?
[13:04] <battlehands> flam_: it worked.  Thank you.
[13:04] <BooKollektor> How do I install from USB? Any URL with instructions please?
[13:04] <DJones> !usb | BooKollektor
[13:05] <BooKollektor> Thank you
[13:05] <CKLMN> trying to compile a program that has #include <openssl/des.h> but i still get linker errors
[13:07] <CKLMN> anyone with knowledge on developing with openssl ?
[13:10] <whomenotme> anyone know how to stop the ubuntu to auto disconnect usb 3g connection?
[13:11] <CKLMN> trying to compile a program that has #include <openssl/des.h> but i still get linker errors
[13:12] <Dark_light> CKLMN: have o
[13:12] <Dark_light> *you install the devel libraries needed?
[13:12] <CKLMN> Dark_light, yes
[13:12] <adamk> clare: an #include has nothing to do with the linker....
[13:13] <CKLMN> Dark_light, its a linker error
[13:13] <CKLMN> adamk, jusst saying that the link error has to do with openssl
[13:13] <wooy> hi, where could i find doc of `[`, its kinda hard to google it
[13:14] <CKLMN> i get the following output
[13:14] <CKLMN> /tmp/cc0fMPHD.o: In function `main':
[13:14] <CKLMN> tempdes.c:(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `DES_set_key_checked'
[13:14] <CKLMN> tempdes.c:(.text+0x82): undefined reference to `DES_encrypt1'
[13:14] <CKLMN> tempdes.c:(.text+0xbd): undefined reference to `DES_encrypt1'
[13:14] <CKLMN> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[13:15] <adamk> CKLMN: Are you linking against the properly libraries?
[13:16] <CKLMN> adamk,  i tried some but the same error
[13:16] <SeySayux> How do I forcefully install a package through apt-get?
[13:16] <CKLMN> adamk, do you know what to link it to ?
[13:17] <sruli> Hi, Does anyone know of a VLAN gui? i want to connect my pc to a VLAN and need to tag my connection, but i am more comfortable to do this in gui
[13:18] <adamk> CKLMN: Not sure, but I am going to guess libcrypto.so
[13:18] <iceroot> sruli: network-manager is not holding such an option?
[13:19] <sruli> no
[13:19] <sruli> iceroot: no
[13:19] <BooKollektor> Hey guys it's me again. I'm downloading ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso - Does it work on 64 bit Intel processor?
[13:19] <CKLMN> adamk, ok i will try it
[13:19] <iceroot> BooKollektor: yes
[13:19] <jpds> sruli: Don't you do that on the switch?
[13:19] <jbates58> hi all. can someone please help me to mount a drive in ubuntu, to the same location every time it is un/replugged into the comouter. currently, it keeps adding an _ to every location.
[13:19] <BooKollektor> Thank you iceroot
[13:20] <iceroot> jbates58: use the uuid
[13:20] <iceroot> !uuid | jbates58
[13:20] <jbates58> apparantly, i can use fstab. but have no idea what im doing, and get lost following the guides. im new to linux
[13:20] <sruli> BookKollektor: amd stands for the 64bit infrastructure not the brand
[13:20] <iceroot> !fstab | jbates58
[13:22] <sruli> jpds: no, the VLAN is setup on the switch, but i need to add a tag to the pc to tell it to connect to a particular vlan
[13:22] <Pudding> How can I see the details of a specific mail in my mailq? Apparently someone is sending spam from my VPS and I want to find out which user he is using to do that.
[13:22] <sruli> iceroot: any ideas? i installed VLAN, but as far as i can see it only allows command line config
[13:22] <CKLMN> didnt wortk
[13:22] <CKLMN> anyway thnx
[13:23] <raj> does openbox have any way to extend my desktop onto another monitor?
[13:24]  * Muzer shakes fist at unityi
[13:24] <iceroot> sruli: its just one option you havr to set, the vlan tag, dont see a reason why a gui is needed there
[13:25] <T3X> i am trying to mount my 1TB external hard drive but i am getting this error "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
[13:25] <Muzer> it's pretty awful and limited. What amazes me most is that its stubborn rigidity is seen as a feature by some.
[13:25] <iceroot> sruli: but sorry i dont know a gui to set the vlan tag
[13:25] <sruli> iceroot: hw do i set that option
[13:25] <iceroot> T3X: you are trying to mount /dev/sdX instead of /dev/sdX1  the first one is the device without a filesystem the second one is a partition
[13:25] <iceroot> !mount | T3X
[13:26] <iceroot> sruli: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/vlan
[13:27] <Muzer> is there a way to make alt+dragging fullscreen windows work? Is there a way to move the buttons back to the left? Is there a way to make the menus appear once again in the right place? Is there a way to stop the buttons disappearing when a window is unfocused when it's fullscreen? As far as I can tell, the answer to all these is no (without root access, which I don't have on these university lab machines), and all of these m
[13:27] <Muzer> ake unity utterly unusable to me.
[13:27] <Muzer> *back to the right
[13:29] <esx> Muzer: Do you have a support quetion, or did you just come here to rant?
[13:29] <Muzer> is there a way to do any one of these things, which would make unity slightly more usable? But, yes, mostly ranting.
[13:29] <esx> :)
[13:29] <T3X> iceroot: please the out put i am getting http://pastebin.com/rKGKh8iB
[13:29] <ypcress> Hey guys !
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> Muzer: usable in what way?
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> Muzer: you do realize you don't have to use unity...
[13:30] <p0wn3d> I did a kernel update today and it broke my ability to click on things. 3.2.0-40 . The mouse and keyboard worked but nothing would recognize a mouse click. anyone else have problems
[13:30] <cfhowlett> Muzer, log out.  select an alternate desktop environment.  login.   no unity.
[13:30] <ypcress> I don't know if any of could help me but I'm facing a connectivity pb with Ubuntu 10.04
[13:31] <cfhowlett> !details|ypcress,
[13:31] <azazel91> can anybody tell me why the aircrack package isnt in ubuntu 12.04
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> ypcress: does the OS have a desktop GUI?
[13:31] <Muzer> there is no alternative desktop environment installed on these lab machines (apparently there will be, thankfully)
[13:31] <cfhowlett> !aircrack|azazel91,
[13:31] <cfhowlett> azazel91, aircrack is not supported here
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> Muzer: so when you log in you cannot click the ubuntu logo near your username and select a different session?
[13:31] <azazel91> oh sorry
[13:31] <azazel91> can you give me the link to it
[13:31] <cfhowlett> azazel91, no worries.
[13:32] <iceroot> T3X: you did the chkdsk?
[13:32] <Muzer> AFAIR no
[13:32] <cfhowlett> azazel91, sorry.  don't know.  should be on the aircrack download page somewhere
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> Muzer: log off and check
[13:32] <ypcress> All right I'm using Ubuntu 10.04, an lspci command tells me that my ethernet controller is Intel 1503 and I cannot acces the internet when my cable is plugged
[13:33] <cfhowlett> ypcress, also, 10.04 desktop goes end of life on May 9.  Server has 2 years of support left.
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> ypcress: does the OS have a desktop GUI?
[13:34] <ypcress> I know for the end of term (it belongs to the french state, seems like these people aren't that up-to-date) For the Desktop GUI it's a gnome classic
[13:34] <Muzer> nope, no ubuntu logo that is clickable at all
[13:34] <SeySayux> I broke apt. It's threatening to remove KDE and libc6. All I did was try to install Qt5 from the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper -- now it's saying qtchooser and qdbus have conflicts. I need qtchooser for Qt5, but I need qdbus for my system to have a desktop. Ideas?
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> ypcress: then you have less than about 2 weeks support, why not do a clean install of Precise and get support til April 2017...
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> SeySayux: contact the PPA maintainer, then avoid PPAs
[13:35] <SeySayux> So how do I get a newer version of something *without* ppas?
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> SeySayux: you could uninstall what it wants, then immediately reintsall it after running:  sudo apt-get clean
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> SeySayux: you can report bugs to state why the official sources should be upgraded. If you start adding 3rd party package sources and get issues, don't be surprised
[13:36] <ypcress> ActionParsnip : because the machine is not mine and I cannot change the system. I've been asked to install ADB and the Android SDK on it ant although I often use ubuntu (12.10 at home)I'm facing various issues among which the impossibility to declare properly the environment variables and this internet problem
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> ypcress: does the system have a make and model?
[13:37] <SeySayux> ActionParsnip: Can't uninstall qdbus, it'll remove kde-workspace-bin, kubuntu-desktop. The latter one threathens to uninstall libc6. Now, I'm not really an expert on apt, but I /think/ it needs libc to run.
[13:38] <ypcress> ActionParsnip: Sorry I don't know what is a make (except for compiling but I doubt this is what you're talking about)
[13:38] <daniele91> ciao
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> ypcress: you didn't answer my question
[13:39] <Muzer> but yeah. Unity doesn't have to be unusable, I'm not averse to change in general. It's change that is (in my own opinion) not for the better that I'm against. If you could move the buttons back, have them not keep disappearing on a multiple monitor setup, and have alt+click drag fullscreen windows work, then I would be a LOT more happy with unity. It just amazes me that in bug reports for features like these people claim tha
[13:39] <Muzer> t they're not bugs or regressions, but features or things that would be impossible to fix. The former idea is just stupid, and the latter implies that Unity is just a mess of impossible-to-maintain hard-coded rubbish (which I'm guessing/hoping isn't actually the case).
[13:39] <ee12145> 2
[13:39] <ee12155> sup brotha
[13:39] <ypcress> ActionParsnip: How can I get these infos ?
[13:39] <ee12145> #ttrabajlho2
[13:39] <ee12155> #ttrabajlho2
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> ypcress: sudo dmidecode -t 1     will give a make and model
[13:40] <cfhowlett> ee12145, this is ubuntu support.  have you a support query?
[13:40] <bonno> hello.. i need to access recovery mode on ubuntu 11.01 but i cant modify the GRub configuration file so that recovery mode can be displayed on the startup...what do i do?
[13:40] <SeySayux> So erm, any proper advice? I need Qt 5.0.1 and CMake 2.8.8. Purge everything from PPAs, disable them, and install from source into a custom prefix or what?
[13:40] <battlehands> what channel would one go to for running processor hardware configuration simulations like simplescalar and wattch?
[13:40] <Userr> do you support rebelin?
[13:41] <bonno> any help?
[13:41] <cfhowlett> Userr, unable to locate that package
[13:41] <ypcress> ActionParsnip: gives handle 0x000C, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
[13:41] <SeySayux> Userr: The Italian cyclist?
[13:41] <cfhowlett> !grub|bonno,
[13:42] <Userr> http://www.therebellin.com/download.html
[13:42] <bonno> yeah grub2 i meant sorry...
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> bonno: Oneiric is EOL real soon, may want to consider an upgrade soon
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> Ycarene: and what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[13:42] <bonno> i cant upgrade... i cant do anything... i dont remember the password..so i want  to boot recovery mode so i can change it
[13:42] <bonno> i dont know the superuser pass
[13:42] <ypcress> ActionParsnip: Manufacturer : Fujitsu, Product NAme : Lifebook E752, Version: 10601581569, UUID ....., Wake-up type : power switch, SKU Number : none, Faminly : none
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> bonno: omgubuntu has a nice guide called 'sticking it to grub'
[13:43] <cfhowlett> bonno, by default, there is no su password
[13:43] <bonno> its not my pc..omg... and they dont remember the pass
[13:43] <cfhowlett> bonno, more precisely no ROOT password.  your superuser password is the one you set
[13:43] <cfhowlett> !password
[13:43] <bonno> ....
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> bonno: boot to root recovery mode and you can reset any pasword
[13:43] <tama_92> Hi, I have this weird problem where the wifi won't work for other devices when my PC is on :/
[13:44] <jackshannon> I'm trying to write a makefile and I have multiple directories or modules, can anyone point me to a resource that could teach me this? my directory structure is: http://pastebin.com/eZqaz1y4
[13:44] <tama_92> unless the devices are close enough to the router
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> Ycarene: and what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[13:44] <bonno> thats is what i am asking... how to boot into recovery.... i cant change the grub2 configuration file since i dont know the sudo password...
[13:44] <daniele91> hi :)
[13:44] <bonno> and recovery mode is not displayed in the startup
[13:44] <daniele91> !list
[13:44] <tama_92> I know it's not my devices (android phones) as I'm not the only one that have this problem
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> bonno: hold SHIFT at boot and select recovery mode then select root
[13:45] <bonno> already did.. dosent work
[13:45] <she_dyed> bonno boot another live CD
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> bonno: then use the guide I described earlier
[13:45] <daniele91> !alis
[13:45] <bonno> and then what?
[13:45] <bonno> can u say it again ? thank you :)
[13:45] <she_dyed> bonno ActionParsnip's suggestion i sbeter
[13:45] <she_dyed> better
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> bonno: omgubuntu has a nice guide called 'sticking it to grub'
[13:45] <she_dyed> hold Shift key
[13:45] <bonno> i cant enter recovery mode with SHIFT
[13:46] <ypcress> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS /n /l
[13:46] <Buduk> So, I have a geforce 210. Every 4-5 hours the desktop becomes unresponsive and displays artifacts on screen this is with nouveu and propriety (and latest from swat) drivers. Initially i figure this is a problem with the card, however, i have had it running in windows for a couple of days with no problem at all. any suggestions?
[13:47] <T3X> iceroot: chkdsk: command not found
[13:47] <Userr> should i use ZFS and LVM?
[13:47] <Userr> arent they doing the same thing?
[13:47] <tama_92> more precisely, I can ping the router but with ~90% packet loss
[13:48] <kunglao> hi. i am looking for a small mp3 player for ubuntu , something like winamp for windows. what do you guys use ?
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> ypcress: run:   sudo lshw -C network     what is the product line of the ethernet?
[13:48] <tama_92> don't have this problem when using Windows, too :/
[13:48] <she_dyed> Userr lvm can get complicated if this is your first linux
[13:48] <Userr> why?
[13:48] <Userr> whats LVM for?
[13:49] <Userr> isnt the same thing already in ZFS or BTRFS?
[13:49] <jpds> Userr: LVM is a volume manager, not a filesystem.
[13:49] <ypcress> ActionParsnip: Intel corporation
[13:49] <vlt> Userr: Maybe some things you can do with LVM can be done in a file system too. Some. MAybe.
[13:50] <battlehands> I'm trying to execute ammp benchmark in my Ubuntu VM.  I read the wattch README and compiled the simulator according to the instructions.  However, when I try to run the ammp benchmark, I'm receiving the error message: http://imagebin.org/254229
[13:50] <Userr> ZFS maneges volumes
[13:50] <compdoc> ZFS is a file system
[13:50] <Gnea> ZFS does both
[13:50] <Gnea> but LVM does not do both
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> ZFS is a combined file system and logical volume manager designed by Sun Microsystems.
[13:50] <Userr> so theres no use for LVM if you use ZFS?
[13:51] <helmut_> hi
[13:51] <Gnea> Userr: well you can't use ZFS to manage non-ZFS volumes
[13:51] <Userr> damnit i mean theres no use for using LVM on top of ZFS
[13:51] <Userr> are you all retards?
[13:51] <Gnea> !language | Userr
[13:52] <Userr> RETARD
[13:52] <daniele91> freenode
[13:52] <cfhowlett> !attitude|Userr,
[13:52] <Gnea> Userr: goodbye.
[13:52] <vlt> Userr: What is most propable?
[13:52] <kelkoobenoitr> hello: i am new to launchpad, and i am trying to understand the update process when upstream is being updated with a new version
[13:52] <arrakis_> 1000 kisses for the ubuntu volunteers....greetings from romania...
[13:52]  * cfhowlett thinks anyone who believes "You're all retards" clearly doesn't need my help.
[13:53] <charliee> hello
[13:53] <cfhowlett> charliee, greetings
[13:53] <kelkoobenoitr> i have a source package that builds locally, and i have uploaded the sources to launchpad
[13:53] <kelkoobenoitr> now i have a new upstream version
[13:53] <anddam> hello, on 12.10 starting x11vnc with service gives https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5395950 - can anyone give me a hint about how to configure a screen for x11 only?
[13:53] <anddam> s/x11/vnc/
[13:53] <kelkoobenoitr> how should i handle that
[13:54] <daniele91> irc://irc.explosionirc.net/Foolish.cr3w
[13:54] <dengqi> cxcv
[13:54] <dengqi> hello
[13:54] <dengqi> is there  sb
[13:55] <arrakis_> hello dengqi
[13:55] <vlt> !ask | dengqi
[13:55] <adamk> anddam: If you just want a vnc server, not connected to an X11 session, use vnc4server.
[13:55] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[13:55] <dengqi> en
[13:55] <cfhowlett> ShapeShifter499, greetings
[13:55] <k1l_> !warez | daniele91
[13:55] <ShapeShifter499> is there a channel for the current beta ubuntu version?
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> ShapeShifter499: #ubuntu+1
[13:55] <cfhowlett> !raring|ShapeShifter499,
[13:55] <k1l_> ShapeShifter499: #ubuntu+1
[13:55] <dengqi> I'm Chinese
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> !cn
[13:56] <ShapeShifter499> ActionParsnip, cfhowlett thank you
[13:56] <Userr> im chinese too but only on weekends
[13:56] <dengqi> yeah
[13:56] <dengqi> 你们好
[13:57] <dengqi> so guys, where are you from
[13:57] <Userr> chinatown
[13:57] <cfhowlett> dengqi, have you an actual support question?  chit chat goes to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:57] <k1l_> dengqi: lets stick to ubuntu support in here. we have #ubuntu-offtopic for chating
[13:58] <kelkoobenoitr> where can i get irc help with building source packages on launchpad ?
[13:58] <daniele91> i'm italian
[13:58] <Userr> should a use lvm on top of zfs?
[13:58] <cfhowlett> !packaging|kelkoobenoitr,
[13:58] <vlt> !it | daniele91
[13:58] <ypcress> ActionParsnip: Thanks for everything, still the same but I gotta leave.
[13:58] <ypcress> Thanks all! See you soon
[13:59] <Userr> cya
[13:59] <dengqi> en   nice to meet you
[13:59] <Userr> dengqi: do you have a support question?
[14:00] <battlehands> any ideas at least where I can go for such help?
[14:00] <arrakis_> wich irc client is most colorful???
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> arrakis_: pidgin has colours
[14:00] <arrakis_> aha,thx
[14:00] <k1l_> !details | battlehands
[14:00] <T3X> i am trying to mount my External hard drive and i am getting this error anybody has an indea  http://pastebin.com/rKGKh8iB ?
[14:00] <Userr> should a use lvm on top of zfs?
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> T3X: is it part of a RAID array
[14:01] <battlehands> k1l_: I'm trying to execute ammp benchmark in my Ubuntu VM.  I read the wattch README and compiled the simulator according to the instructions.  However, when I try to run the ammp benchmark, I'm receiving the error message: http://imagebin.org/254229
[14:01] <kelkoobenoitr> thx cfhowlett but i already read part of it, and did not find answers for my specific launchpad questions. Any irc chan for this ?
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> T3X: you are also mounting the partition, not the drive
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> T3X: the drive is /dev/sdc  the partition is /dev/sdc1
[14:01] <cfhowlett> kelkoobenoitr, see #ubuntu-devel
[14:02] <kelkoobenoitr> thx
[14:02] <GrygrFlzr> I tried booting live ubuntu on a usb without any extra parameters, getting stuck on 'input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input4'?
[14:02] <vlt> ActionParsnip: (One mounts a file system ;-)
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> vlt: yes but you certainly don't mount a drive ;)
[14:02] <Pici> kelkoobenoitr: er, -devel isn't really for that. #ubuntu-packaging or #launchpad might be more up that alley
[14:03] <kelkoobenoitr> Pici: got it
[14:03] <T3X> ActionParsnip: using /dev/sdc /folder getting this error"mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> T3X: you can't mount /dev/sdc
[14:04] <T3X> ActionParsnip: why that is my devic
[14:04] <she_dyed> GrygrFlzr: it could be hung no what its doing aFter the keyboar message
[14:04] <she_dyed> hung on*
[14:04] <nazta> hello
[14:04] <GrygrFlzr> she_dyed, not sure what its stuck on then, that's the last message before the hang
[14:04] <cfhowlett> nazta, greetings
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> T3X: /dev/sdc is the drive itself, /dev/sdc1 is the 1st primary partition on it, even if the partition uses 100% of the space available, you still mount the partition
[14:05] <nazta> dngr: hi
[14:05] <anddam> adamk: I will, meanwhile why is Xorg giving "no screens found" ?
[14:05] <she_dyed> GrygrFlzr: did you run  checksum the ISO GrygrFlzr
[14:05] <T3X> ActionParsnip: very useful information, but the question how do i read contents of my External HArd Drive?
[14:05] <xdeveloper_> hi
[14:06] <xdeveloper_> is there document for libcgic?
[14:06] <GrygrFlzr> she_dyed: not yet, I used the torrent and assumed that it already validated the checksum
[14:06] <she_dyed> assume you know what it stands for
[14:07] <she_dyed> GrygrFlzr: never skip on that step ISO, torrent, large files
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> T3X: is it part of a RAID array?
[14:08] <T3X> ActionParsnip: No
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> T3X: then I suggest you plug it into a windows system, chkdsk it and then use the safe removal feature in the OS BEFORE you physically remove it
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> T3X: I'm guessng you don't use taht
[14:09] <GrygrFlzr> she_dyed, just confirmed that md5 matches what's on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[14:09] <T3X> ActionParsnip: cant open either with windows it returns with unknown error.
[14:10] <she_dyed> GrygrFlzr: theres other ways to make a USB I reboot to that other OS and use Lilli
[14:11] <she_dyed> linux live USB creator
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> T3X: then you will be looking at your backups after re-partitioning the storage
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> T3X: failing that, foremost but you will need a partition mounted writable of equal or larger size that
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> *than the device to spit restored files from
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> T3X: you will lose location name and file names and the data may be damaged. Backups are great for maintaining data integrity
[14:12] <GrygrFlzr> I also tried with live CD but that failed with a kernel panic for nouveau.blacklist=1, and hanged with no output when run without parameters
[14:12] <she_dyed> you know if you mentioned that earlier
[14:15] <she_dyed> GrygrFlzr: kernel panic after what exactly
[14:16] <GrygrFlzr> she_dyed, after an end trace
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> T3X: when you unplug the device physically, do you use the 'safely remove' feature in the OS?
[14:16] <T3X> ActionParsnip: I am not too much worried about the Data on it, I just need to get it back to work.
[14:16] <GrygrFlzr> Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
[14:17] <T3X> ActionParsnip: no in windows does not appear and linux i dont do it
[14:17] <T3X> i am connect to linux server
[14:17] <she_dyed> why an end trace this is coder turf now
[14:17] <GrygrFlzr> ...I'll just upload the photo I took...
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> T3X: then that is why you are getting the issue, you aren't treating your hardware correctly
[14:17] <she_dyed> GrygrFlzr: whats the original problem
[14:17] <she_dyed> graphics related?
[14:18] <GrygrFlzr> tried booting live cd, it was stuck on black screen after splash screen
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> T3X: use gparted to wipe the current partition off and then use WIndows to make a fresh NTFS partition (s it can be used in both OSes as Windows has a very limited amount of file systems it can use)
[14:18] <GrygrFlzr> came here and was told to try nouveau.blacklist=1 and nomodeset
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> T3X: before you remove the device physically (unplug) use the safe remove feature in the OS. It is there for a reason
[14:23] <DX099> hello, I've recently uninstalled NVIDIA proprietary blob from my Ubuntu 12.10, but now, I don't have any tty. They're all pitch black, and in Xorg.0.log, I can see that X is still trying to load nvidia driver though there's no more xorg.conf file. How can it be ? can someone help me solve this ?
[14:27] <she_dyed> DX099: you can regenerate an xorg.conf and use that as a starting point
[14:27] <DX099> she_dyed, how do I do that ?
[14:27] <she_dyed> nvidia -xconfig at a root term
[14:28] <she_dyed> i think no space
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:29] <DX099> but I already uninstalled nvidia
[14:29] <anddam> nice, nvidia talking
[14:30] <adamk> DX099: Does X actually start up?
[14:30] <DX099> yes
[14:30] <adamk> Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and the output of 'dmesg' ?
[14:30] <anddam> I see    Failed to load module "nvidia"   and    Failed to load module "nv"  in Xorg log, is there a package in ubuntu repo that will provide those?
[14:30] <DX099> I think I must be using vesa or something like that right now
[14:31] <anddam> I'm fine with an open source driver, I don't know how it's handled, atm Xorg isn't starting (it used to), there's no xorg.conf so autoprobing
[14:31] <adamk> anddam: Run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[14:31] <DX099> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713306/
[14:32] <she_dyed> sorry DX099 misread my bad
[14:32] <eXcAliBuR> has webmain been made to work with the latest ubuntu, does anyone know?
[14:32] <adamk> DX099: You managed to deinstall the nouveau Xorg driver. (Re)install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[14:33] <anddam> adamk: it's the same as before, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5395950
[14:33] <anddam> lspci shows a NVIDIA Corporation Device 107d
[14:33] <adamk> Oh, you were the one asking above about vnc...  I thought you were trying to use vnc without connecting it to an actuall X screen...
[14:33] <anddam> it's been years since I've played with video cards
[14:34] <DX099> adamk, yes I deinstalled nouveau because it wouldn't allow me to do anything
[14:34] <adamk> DX099: Well nouveau is the open source driver for your GPU (well, other than vesa, which you are using currently).
[14:34] <she_dyed> DX099: so that left you with nothing i believe
[14:35] <DX099> adamk, I'm fine with that but the way it pops up even when you blacklist it annoyed me.
[14:35] <anddam> adamk: I see a bunch of packages in apt, I guess I need nvidia-current-something, is that correct?
[14:35] <DX099> however, I still don't see why I'm left with no tty
[14:36] <anddam> reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia meanwhile
[14:36] <adamk> anddam: I'm still waiting to hear what you're trying to do.  First you talked about vnc without an X screen, now you are talking about using an X screen...
[14:36] <adamk> DX099: I asked you to also pastebin the output of 'dmesg', which I don't believe you have done yet...
[14:38] <anddam> adamk: the story is afriend asked me for help on his remote ubuntu box
[14:39] <anddam> adamk: he started talking about x11vnc, but from what I see (in Xorg log) the actuall issue is that Xorg cannot load nvidia modules
[14:39] <DX099> adamk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713322/
[14:39] <adamk> anddam: According to the Xorg log file, X is trying to use the nouveau driver, whichis fine.  However, that computer doesn't have any monitors connected...
[14:39] <adamk> anddam: At least according to the driver...
[14:39] <adamk> DX099: Do you still have nouveau blacklisted?
[14:40] <adamk> DX099: Because your kernel isn't loading the nouveau kernel module, which hooks into the framebuffer driver, used to drive the ttys.
[14:40] <anddam> adamk: the "Output DP-* has no monitor section" lines?
[14:41] <anddam> adamk: it may be the reason why he's trying to use x11vnc
[14:41] <adamk> anddam: No, the "Output DP-1 disconnected" and "No outputs definitely connected"
[14:41] <DX099> adamk, but why can't it use vesa for tty ?
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> anddam: what do you do on the remote system when connected?
[14:41] <anddam> ActionParsnip: I'm not sure to understand the question
[14:41] <adamk> anddam: So why is he trying to use Xorg if there are no monitors connected?  As I first replied above, if he wants vnc without an Xorg session, use vnc4server.
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> anddam: why do you try to connect, what is te reason for the connection?
[14:42] <compdoc> vnc4server is great
[14:42] <adamk> DX099: At this point, I have no idea what other crazy things you did to your system.
[14:42] <anddam> adamk: there rationale seems to be he wants an automatic graphic session in which to run teamviewer (no comments please…)
[14:43] <DX099> adamk, I don't think wanting to get best performances on my system is a crazy idea...
[14:43] <anddam> adamk: for that I set lightdm to autologin with the desired user
[14:43] <anddam> ActionParsnip: what connection?
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> anddam: why do you try to connect, what is te reason for the connection? What is done (or will be done) once users connect?
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> anddam: I think I have the wrong target don't I
[14:44] <anddam> ActionParsnip: apparently the graphic session should just start TeamViewer
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> adamk: why do you try to connect, what is te reason for the connection? What is done (or will be done) once users connect?
[14:44] <at-912> how to post pictures itt?
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> at-912: imageshack
[14:44] <adamk> DX099: Uninstalling nouveau was not even remotely necessary, yet sometihng you did anyway.  So, again, I don't know what else you did to your system to make even the vesa framebuffer driver not work. Again, if you are still blacklisting nouveau, remove it from the blacklist and reboot.  Then see if the tty comes up.
[14:44] <adamk> ActionParsnip: Wrong person.
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> adamk: thanks
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> anddam: what are people connecting to the box to do?
[14:45] <anddam> adamk: is the lacking of a monitor an issue? what version of the driver should I pick up?
[14:45] <anddam> ActionParsnip: I don't know
[14:45] <adamk> anddam: Apparently Xorg won't start with the nouveau driver if there's no monitor. I would really recommend vnc4server in that case.
[14:45] <anddam> adamk: ok, should I uninstall x11vnc package also?
[14:46] <DX099> adamk, Nvidia binary drivers can't be installed while nouveau module is loaded. When blacklisting it, it would still load no matter what, leaving with no choice but completely remove it. I wouldn't have done it if it wasn't necessary...
[14:46] <anddam> adamk: and I cannot see a *nouveau* package with dpkg, shouldn't I have one?
[14:46] <_PanzerSajt> hy I'm having a problem with my USB-Serial adapter. I can't send command through it sometimes to the other computer. It gives me this kernel error: "ark3116: don't know how to do software flow control
[14:46] <_PanzerSajt> "
[14:46] <anddam> adamk: wiki page talks about xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[14:46] <adamk> DX099: But you *uninstalled* the nvidia driver.....
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> anddam: then why jump through all these hoops when it may not be needed. FInd out requirements then find a sleek solution is what I'd advise
[14:47] <adamk> anddam: The Xorg nouveau driveris xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. You have it installed.
[14:47] <DX099> adamk, yes, and usually (on 11.04,11.10,12.04), when the system starts using vesa again, there's no problem with display ttys...
[14:48] <adamk> anddam: And you can uninstall x11vnc if you want to, though having it installed shouldn't cause problems.
[14:48] <anddam> ActionParsnip: because I've been told along the way, like you did
[14:48] <anddam> adamk: dpkg -l didn't show it
[14:50] <p0wn3d> Does anyone know of a post install script for Ubuntu that installs all the good stuff?
[14:51] <adamk> DX099: I don't know why the ttys aren't working. What I do know is that you uninstalled the nvidia driver, and you uninstalled nouveau. You may have done other things to cause the ttys not to work. The only Xorg driver you have installed, that you can use, is vesa. If you want to get your ttys back, I recommend *unblacklisting* nouveau (for the third and final time) and reinstalling Xorg nouveau driver.
[14:52] <DX099> adamk, ok. Thanks
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> anddam: oh definitely, but immediatly installing vnc and so forth isn't a great move without evaluating options
[14:53] <cfhowlett> p0wn3d, not knowing what good stuff you mean ?? ... no.
[14:58] <GrygrFlzr> Strange, I can only boot live CD successfully with acpi=off?
[15:02] <p0wn3d> cfhowlett: Thanks for the reply.  I think I will make one this weekend. Customize the bash prompt or install zsh. Install vim plugins. Install restricted extras and all the software people normally need after a bare install
[15:03] <p0wn3d> cfhowlett: maybe install cairo-dock, backgrounds, themes and stuff. I would totally love to rip out unity also.
[15:14] <GrygrFlzr> I can only boot ubuntu live cd with acpi=off, WiFi is 'disabled by hardware switch' while ethernet doesn't seem to work, can anyone help?
[15:15] <GrygrFlzr> tried the hardware switches, didn't work
[15:15] <ee12155> #ttrabajlho2
[15:15] <ee12155> #ttrabajlho2
[15:15] <ee12155> #ttrabajlho2
[15:15] <FloodBot1> ee12155: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:17] <sonofzeus> hi
[15:18] <sonofzeus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LXDE_desktop_full.png how shall i set this theme in my new lubuntu install?
[15:20] <sonofzeus> anyone please help me
[15:21] <deeplloyd> hello
[15:21] <anddam> adamk: about vnc4server, are you suggesting to start it as the desired user at boot time or system wide?
[15:21] <sonofzeus> hi
[15:22] <adamk> I just start it as a specific user when I need to. I believe you can set it up to start system wide, and authenticate for it with one of the dm (xdm,lightdm,etc).
[15:22] <sonofzeus> anyone please help me?
[15:22] <anddam> adamk: I'm not sure how to handle DM manager integration with VNC, I'd rather start it as user
[15:23] <anddam> adamk: from what I can see he'd like to: 1) power up the box 2) have a running graphical session with teamviewer running
[15:23] <Guest95918> I have an Acer C7 Chromebook running Ubuntu 12.04 and I can't mount ROOT-A. Can someone help me out?
[15:23] <anddam> adamk: anyway I've already spent that much time on this issue, VNC is working and he'll play with this
[15:23] <anddam> adamk: thanks a lot
[15:24] <sonofzeus> can someone help me out please?
[15:24] <tgm4883> !patience | sonofzeus
[15:24] <anddam> sonofzeus: sure, keep asking with insistence
[15:25] <anddam> IRC loves that
[15:25] <anddam> bye
[15:25] <sonofzeus> sorry but its just late here i will wait anyways
[15:26] <anddam> not late here, and you're asking about a desktop *theme*
[15:26] <sonofzeus> yes
[15:26] <anddam> not a question of the utter urgency
[15:26] <sonofzeus> yep but its like 2 am
[15:26] <filezx> is this where i go to get help with ubuntu
[15:26] <anddam> that's easily solved: change time zone
[15:26] <sonofzeus> yes filex
[15:26] <Guest95918> I have an actual question! I need help mounting ROOT-A, and almost anything I do on my computer I get at least 5 errors.
[15:26] <anddam> it's 17:30 in CET
[15:27] <filezx> i just installed ubuntu and then forgot my password how do i reset it lol
[15:28] <sonofzeus> reformat filezx
[15:29] <filezx> i tried going in and changing in with the instructions from the site but it was giving me a authentication token something error
[15:29] <p0wn3d> filezx: You might be able to go into single user mode and change it but I have not done it in awhile
[15:29] <fightback> filezx: Try this: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-forgotten-ubuntu-password-in-2-minutes-or-less/
[15:29] <anddam> adamk: is a line in rc.local with    sudo -u myuser vnc4server     reasonable?
[15:29] <tflgen2_> filezx: you should be able to boot livecd and chroot into your instasll
[15:30] <p0wn3d> filezx: http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub
[15:30] <Toasty_Loaf> Unable to mount ROOT-A   Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5,
[15:30] <Toasty_Loaf>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[15:30] <Toasty_Loaf>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[15:30] <Toasty_Loaf>        dmesg | tail  or so
[15:30] <FloodBot1> Toasty_Loaf: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:30] <sonofzeus> is anyone here xprncd with changing themes .pls pm me
[15:30] <Toasty_Loaf> Can someone please help me?
[15:31] <tflgen2_> Toasty_Loaf: are you using a strange formatted fs? generally (correct me if I'm wrong) /dev/sda5 is swap
[15:31] <sonofzeus> on a mobile xcuse my typos
[15:32] <tgm4883> tflgen2_, there is zero way to know what swap is based on it's partition number
[15:32] <Toasty_Loaf> I am new to Ubuntu, I have no idea what that means. I'm sorry. I'm guessing that it's a terminal command?
[15:32] <Toasty_Loaf> I am running 12.04 on an Acer C7 Chromebook if that helps.
[15:32] <tflgen2_> Toasty_Loaf: have you been able to boot into ubuntu before?
[15:33] <tflgen2_> tgm4883: true, just was going based on my install experiences with the default "use whole disk"
[15:33] <Toasty_Loaf> I am on it right now. Though, anytime I try to open it in my Home Folder, I get that error.
[15:33] <anddam> adamk: oh btw, now I'm getting more of the story, wanna hear?
[15:33] <Toasty_Loaf> And also, whenever I do any command in the terminal I get like 5  error messages.
[15:34] <anddam> adamk: the monitor has been unplugged at some point today, on purpose, in order to configure it via ssh
[15:34] <p0wn3d> filezx: Here is better instructions with grub2 http://www.computersecuritystudent.com/UNIX/UBUNTU/lesson2/
[15:34] <anddam> adamk: so the box should actually start lightdm and an autologin session (that I can do with lightdm) and *then* allow remote control using VNC or teamviewer or whatever else
[15:34] <anddam> adamk: so x11vnc is best suited probably
[15:35] <Toasty_Loaf> Is anyone working with me right now? I feel ignored. Sorry I'm so new.
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> anddam: what are the users connecting to the system to achieve exactly?
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> anddam: a user connects to the system and logs on, what will they then use the system for?
[15:36] <anddam> ActionParsnip: again I don't know, I suppose their job, writing useless documents, print them then shred the sheets
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> anddam: so its a file server?
[15:37] <anddam> ActionParsnip: are you kidding?
[15:37] <tgm4883> Toasty_Loaf, details. You installed Ubuntu on your chromebook, but how? Did you follow a guide? Which guide?
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> anddam: this is why I am asking, you can setup a file and print server and users will never need to remote log on
[15:37] <eXcAliBuR> what email package should I use? to have a email server
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> anddam: you can make the services available on the LAN
[15:38] <tgm4883> !email
[15:38] <Toasty_Loaf> Johnny Phung had a guide where I partitioned Ubuntu a large chunk of my hdd
[15:38] <tgm4883> Toasty_Loaf, that doesn't look like a link
[15:38] <anddam> ActionParsnip: ok, this box has a physical person using it as "desktop computer", reading his email, writing his papers and so
[15:38] <Toasty_Loaf> oh, hold on, I can get it for you.
[15:39] <benjamino> hello
[15:39] <anddam> ActionParsnip: the VNC/TW delirium is to provide the end user remote assistance
[15:39] <tgm4883> Toasty_Loaf, also, r/ubuntu isn't for support questions
[15:39] <benjamino> let's say i've had a terminal run in the background with ctrl+d... is there any way i can re-open that terminal?
[15:39] <Toasty_Loaf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qpjTzav3kw
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> anddam: thats fine, the backends can still be in place, same as in Windows
[15:39] <Toasty_Loaf> Can you point me in the right direction?
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> anddam: remote assistance via VNC is very useful however
[15:40] <anddam> ActionParsnip: I'm not sure to follow you, what backends? And what about Windows?
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> anddam: this is why I ask what the reason for using VNC is, there are a lot of times when people don't think and just install vnc for remote access. Even had a user use VNC to get a desktop then work purely in the terminal once they get connected
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> anddam: windows can connect to Ubuntu shared printers and file shares :)
[15:42] <p0wn3d> anddam: I would use xrdp or no machine instead of vnc. This way it is encrypted.  I guess you could tunnel vnc over ssh.
[15:42] <tflgen2_> p0wn3d: always vnc over ssh
[15:43] <tgm4883> mostly always
[15:43] <anddam> "no machine"?
[15:44] <anddam> p0wn3d: I'll pass the info,thanks
[15:44] <p0wn3d> http://www.nomachine.com/
[15:44] <p0wn3d> We use it for 5000 linux workstations
[15:45] <sonofzeus> hmmmm help me out pls
[15:45] <chiluk> why does the AMD 13.3 catalyst driver build 12.10 debs ?  are they a bunch of linux morons?
[15:45] <anddam> p0wn3d: does the server target windows and osx hosts too?
[15:45] <anddam> seems very nice
[15:46] <tgm4883> chiluk, I believe it builds whatever you tell it to
[15:46] <p0wn3d> yes you can use the client install for windows, OSX or Linux. The server install is a small part that usually goes on a Linux box cause its free.
[15:46] <chiluk> uh... I told it to build the driver into a deb... I downloaded the 13.3 installer... I ended up with 12.10 debs.
[15:46] <sonofzeus> hmmmmm can anyone point me to lxdes channel?
[15:47] <tgm4883> chiluk, You can build 12.04 debs with the command "sudo sh amd-driver-installer-12-6-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/precise"
[15:47] <tgm4883> chiluk, so I'd assume you can build it for any release. IIRC, i've built it for raring before
[15:47] <chiluk> you are confused... amd's driver is versioned 13.3, but it spits out debs versioned 12.10.
[15:47] <chiluk> this has nothing to do with ubuntu version.
[15:47] <anddam> p0wn3d: oh so the clients are actually accessing one another and a server handles them, I guess
[15:48] <chiluk> i just needed to vent.
[15:48] <tgm4883> chiluk, if I do it. Will you applogize to the amd devs?
[15:48] <chiluk> gladly.
[15:48] <tgm4883> chiluk, also, you are confusing
[15:48] <chiluk> if you pull the 13.3 drivers.
[15:48] <tgm4883> chiluk, "it spits out debs versioned 12.10."  "<chiluk> this has nothing to do with ubuntu version."
[15:48] <tgm4883> chiluk, so which is it?
[15:49] <chiluk> and run amd-driver-installer-12-6-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/raring and it gives you something versioned 13.3 I'll eat my words
[15:49] <tgm4883> chiluk, that was an example
[15:49] <tgm4883> chiluk, so something like "amd-driver-installer-13-3-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/raring"
[15:49] <anddam> p0wn3d: it just got a lot better, thanks for the pointer
[15:50] <chiluk> sorry yep
[15:50] <Guest65791> invite andrei
[15:50] <anddam> bye all
[15:50] <chiluk> here's even the download http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.42&lang=English
[15:50] <Guest65791> hello to all
[15:50] <sonofzeus> hi
[15:51] <Guest65791> can u pls help me sonofzeus
[15:51] <Guest65791> finger sonofzeus
[15:52] <Guest65791> quit
[15:53] <KatsumeBlisk> Guest65791: You have to put a '/' before commands. The commands usually depend on your IRC client.
[15:57] <chiluk> tgm4883, hah their 13.1 drivers have a version of 9.012 just as bad... it's like they let marketing decide how to version drivers, but they didn't decide to tell the devs about it... absolutely ridiculous
[16:00] <tgm4883> chiluk, ah, I see what you mean now and how that could be confusing
[16:01] <tgm4883> chiluk, you're confusing package version with driver version I think
[16:02] <chiluk> tgm4883, my point is that they should be very similar...
[16:02] <chiluk> I'd forgive them if the package version was something like 13.1-ubuntu1
[16:02] <chiluk> when building their 13.1 driver
[16:02] <tgm4883> chiluk, eh, I've seen a bunch of things like that that aren't similar
[16:02] <chiluk> but even when you open the catalyst interface it says something like 12.10 when you've installed the 13.1 driver
[16:02] <tgm4883> chiluk, I think there's a reason for it, but I'd have to look it up
[16:03] <tgm4883> well that part seems wonky
[16:04] <chiluk> tgm4883, if I was a betting man I'd blame the marketing folks
[16:05] <tgm4883> chiluk, "AMD Catalyst software suite uses the YEAR/MONTH format to denote the release version.  For example: AMD Catalyst 12.8 indicates that this software suite was released in August  2012. The version number 8.982 represents the actual internal version of the driver component in the software suite and can be found in the Windows Device Manager or the AMD Vision™ Engine/AMD Catalyst Control Center."
[16:05] <chiluk> it's still retarded.
[16:06] <chiluk> come on ... please admit that it's retarded...if it's an internal version.. then end users should never see it.
[16:06] <dechi> Hello, I'm a newbie with ubuntu. I install the 12.04 on an old machine, and I can't see my graphical card.  It just "unknow". How can I do ?
[16:06] <chiluk> tgm4883, this is my first AMD graphics adapter in 8 years... because it was given to me.
[16:06] <KatsumeBlisk> dechi: Does Ubuntu work the way you expect?
[16:06] <chiluk> it will probably be my last for another 8 years
[16:07] <KatsumeBlisk> dechi: ie are there no graphical problems?
[16:07] <chiluk> dechi what kind of card is it?
[16:07] <chiluk> do you know?
[16:07] <tgm4883> chiluk, because of the driver version number?
[16:07] <chiluk> tgm4883, that and the 13.1 driver is broken...
[16:07]  * genii-around guesses it's some Unichrome card
[16:07] <tgm4883> chiluk, bug report?
[16:08] <chiluk> where's the best place to open bugs against amd? launchpad?
[16:08]  * tgm4883 sighs
[16:08] <chiluk> exactly
[16:08] <chiluk> at least nvidia monitors launchpad..
[16:08] <tgm4883> chiluk, I don't often tell people to search for things. But did you even look at the AMD FAQ?
[16:09] <chiluk> nope...
[16:09] <tgm4883> chiluk, I know
[16:09] <tgm4883> chiluk, http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDGraphicsSoftwareandDriversFAQ.aspx#T17
[16:09] <dechi> KatsumeBlisk Ubuntu work good, for the moment. But it's an old machine and I don't know the composants.
[16:09] <lolyp0p> hi all, I just made a hudge mistake ... => I deleted a 1T partition 70% full of data using ubuntu's "disk utility", haven't format or anything, just deleted the partition, anyway of getting the datas back?
[16:09] <chiluk> dechi run lspci, and tell use what kidn of card you have.
[16:10] <SonikkuAmerica> dechi: [ lspci ] will list recognized components
[16:10] <KatsumeBlisk> dechi: It doesn't matter then. On my machine, it says unknown and mine's relatively new. As long as your computer is working fine, you don't need to worry.
[16:10] <dechi> KatsumeBlisk thank's
[16:10] <chiluk> tgm4883, just because they document it doesn't make it intelligent or the right thing to do.
[16:10] <KatsumeBlisk> dechi: I'm sure there's a terminal command that'll tell you what GPU you have, but you don't need to know until you have a problem.
[16:10] <KatsumeBlisk> dechi: Basically, don't worry. :)
[16:11] <tgm4883> chiluk, I'm not going to argue with you about something that isn't relevant
[16:11] <chiluk> tgm4883, it just reitterates to me that they don't have their "s**t" together
[16:11] <tgm4883> chiluk, says the guy that can't search
[16:11] <KatsumeBlisk> chiluk: This doesn't have anything to do with Ubuntu.
[16:11] <chiluk> tgm well I will also tell you that 13.1 is broken on raring
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> lolyp0p: if you remake the partition and fsck, it may pick it up
[16:12] <chiluk> Katafalkas, you are right ... but it does affect people's perception of the OS..
[16:12] <dechi> KatsumeBlisk with lspci I can see. I have a nvedia Gforce 8500GT :)
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> lolyp0p: or you may need to use testdisk
[16:12] <dechi> thank's for the help
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> lolyp0p: i'd look into testdisk first
[16:12] <KatsumeBlisk> chiluk: This channel is for Ubuntu-specific support. An unsupported driver from the manufacturer's website has nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[16:13] <KatsumeBlisk> dechi: That's the command. I forgot. Glad you found it. :)
[16:13] <tgm4883> chiluk, you mean that the current stable version of the binary amd driver is broken on the development version of Ubuntu when using components that are explicitely unsupported? Oh the horror
[16:13] <lolyp0p> ActionParsnip: tought of remaking the partition and fsck but was wondering if there were any more secure way/program
[16:13] <KatsumeBlisk> chiluk: Unsupported as in Canonical doesn't provide it in Ubuntu.
[16:13] <FrankieJ> any1 here is/has use ubuntu on a dell inspiron laptop?
[16:13] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: What's your question?
[16:14] <chiluk> FrankieJ, I think I'm using one now.
[16:14] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: There's a lot of inspiron laptops, so you should be more specific with your question. ;)
[16:14] <chiluk> KatsumeBlisk, I have to use the amd provided drivers because the card I have isn't yet supported by the ones in the repo.
[16:14] <FrankieJ> well i got LED HDTV as my secondary via hdmi...but very laggy
[16:14] <FrankieJ> im using the inspiron 1525
[16:14] <FrankieJ> running 12.04 LTS
[16:15] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: It's probably the integrated graphics making it laggy. I had this problem on my netbook because the GPU couldn't handle the resolution
[16:15] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: Err...I mean it couldn't handle 2 monitors.
[16:16] <FrankieJ> hmmm, i am running full 1080, lemme try lower res
[16:16] <FrankieJ> oh
[16:16] <tgm4883> chiluk, so a few things. 1) 13.04 support is done in #ubuntu+1  2) 13.04 if the dev version of Ubuntu, so things are likely broken   and 3) AMD explicitly says that the driver isn't supported in the configuration you have it in
[16:16] <wilee-nilee> FrankieJ, Try to use single posts for detailed descriptions, don't just hit enter repeatedly.
[16:16] <lolyp0p> ActionParsnip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EncqYP1ijFg <= thanks for "testdisk", it does it with no problem (according to the video)
[16:16] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: I looked up your laptop, and it's lowend for graphics and CPU. It's got a Pentium CPU.
[16:16] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: Is that the only problem that you have with it?
[16:17] <FrankieJ> lol sry, jus used to typing short responses, but yea ive used the same output when i had windows xp and the hdmi worked perfect, streaming movies to the same hdtv
[16:17] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: Then it might not be what I'm suggesting if it worked fine on Windows, unless it's a driver issue.
[16:17] <chiluk> tgm4883, what part of my configuration isn't supported?
[16:17] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: Sometimes Linux drivers don't work as well as the Windows versions.
[16:18] <FrankieJ> yea, that is the only issue, im trying to set this up as a webserver and need this secondary monitor for more workspace but its frustrating that my mouse lags across my screen
[16:18] <chiluk> I might have missed something.
[16:18] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: Also, please say who you're talking to. It gets confusing. :)
[16:18] <FrankieJ> lol sry Kat, but you are the only one that is really talking to me :)
[16:19] <xibalba> Anyone knwo off the top of their heads how to increase smokeping frequency? I want to see it every few seconds or so?
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> lolyp0p: sweet, look into backups too, then you have zero worries
[16:19] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: Just a suggestion. You can also tab-complete names.
[16:19] <tgm4883> chiluk, 13.04 ships with a newer version of xserver than is supported by the amd driver (amd supports up to 1.13, 13.04 ships with 1.13.3)
[16:19] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: So you're going to use it as a workstation and a web server at the same time?
[16:19] <xibalba> anyone using smokeping in this channel?
[16:19] <chiluk> tgm4883, didn't notice that.
[16:19] <chiluk> thanks.
[16:20] <tgm4883> chiluk, yw
[16:20] <FrankieJ> KatsumeBlisk, its going to be more a workstation, and a TEST webserver, so i got tabs coming out of both ears and need more workspace
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> xibalba: might do from now though, sounds cool
[16:20] <chiluk> FrankieJ, what version of Ubuntu are you running... more recent kernels have vastly improved intel graphics drivers
[16:20] <FrankieJ> chiluk, i am using 12.04 LTS
[16:20] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: Makes sense.
[16:20] <chiluk> FrankieJ, 2.  have you tried increasing the amount of ram you allocate to the graphics chipset?
[16:21] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: Increasing RAM would be in BIOS, but I doubt Dell would give you that option.
[16:21] <FrankieJ> chiluk, how do i do that, command please?
[16:21] <|nv|s|b|e> some dells do
[16:21] <chiluk> FrankieJ, you would have to reboot, and go into the bios.
[16:21] <FrankieJ> KatsumeBlisk, oh, yea , the dell bios is locked, cant touch it
[16:21] <chiluk> too bad..
[16:21] <|nv|s|b|e> 64/128/256
[16:21] <FrankieJ> :(
[16:21] <chiluk> it was a shot in the dark anyways.
[16:22] <chiluk> FrankieJ, you might want to try the oneiric-backports kernel in 12.04.  that might help as well.
[16:22] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: What size and resolution is your laptop's display?
[16:22] <chiluk> KatsumeBlisk, 1280x800 is what amazon is telling me.
[16:22] <FrankieJ> chiluk, is that another or older driver?
[16:23] <FrankieJ> KatsumeBlisk, i am running 1650 its default res
[16:23] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: If I were you, I'd test just using your TV and see if it's not laggy. If it isn't, you'll have more space, just not dual monitors.
[16:23] <chiluk> that is a newer kernel that will include a newer driver.
[16:23] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: The newer kernel may also break things...
[16:23] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: It defeats the purpose of using an LTS if you start changing the kernel.
[16:24] <chiluk> Katafalkas, very true
[16:24] <FrankieJ> KatsumeBlisk, true true, ill play around with the res settings i guess
[16:24] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: My suggestion is to see how performance is when just using the TV.
[16:24] <chiluk> KatsumeBlisk, good suggestion
[16:25] <FrankieJ> KatsumeBlisk, yea ima try that rite now...thanks for all the support, and you too chiluk
[16:25] <FrankieJ> <3
[16:26] <chiluk> FrankieJ, sorry we couldn't be of more service...
[16:26] <KatsumeBlisk> FrankieJ: I'll brb if you need more help, etc.
[16:26] <chiluk> FrankieJ, if you want to try the newer kernel without the risk, you can boot a quantal or raring livecd, and see if your mouse works find there.
[16:26] <xibalba> ActionParsnip, it's a great tool
[16:27] <FrankieJ> chiluk, its all good, guess i jus gotta make due
[16:27] <Ozzie_> guys.
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> xibalba: passing around :)
[16:27] <chiluk> good luck man.
[16:27] <xibalba> ActionParsnip, check it out I set it up at a company I worked at that's in VoIP. http://sandbox.vintalk.com/smokeping/smokeping.cgi?target=PremiumRetailVoice -- We used it to monitor clients from our East/West coast data centers.
[16:27] <FrankieJ> thx
[16:27] <lolyp0p> ActionParsnip: takes forever nevertheless...probably more than 1h for a missclick...
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> lolyp0p: backups would be faster, and more reliable
[16:28] <R323T> hello!
[16:28] <lolyp0p> ActionParsnip: that's my backup disk actually...
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> lolyp0p: then the original data will stand, just rerun a full backup and the data will recreate
[16:34] <flaxmodem> Is there a good way to check battery status in a terminal?
[16:35] <Kion> flaxmodem: I think if you go into the /proc directory
[16:35] <wilee-nilee> flaxmodem, http://askubuntu.com/questions/69556/how-to-check-battery-status-using-terminal
[16:35] <Kion> flaxmodem: you will find battery and other system information in there
[16:35] <Ohad> Is there anyone here that can support?
[16:35] <Ohad> It consists of some
[16:36] <|nv|s|b|e> spit it out
[16:36] <Ohad> in crontab
[16:36] <wilee-nilee> !enter > Ohad
[16:36] <Ohad> I'm trying to create a file in crontab it does not save
[16:37] <Ohad> sorry
[16:38] <GrygrFlzr> I can't boot live CD without acpi=off, but acpi=off turns off my WiFi. How can I boot up the live CD without acpi=off?
[16:39] <Dr_willis> and what happens if you dont use acpi=off ?
[16:39] <wilee-nilee> GrygrFlzr, Use the f6 function at the first gui of try or install, or check disc integrity, but follow Dr_willis
[16:40] <Ohad> in crontab,im trying to create a file in crontab it does not save, what can i do?
[16:41] <chiluk> Ohad, crontab -e is not saving?
[16:41] <Ohad> yes
[16:41] <chiluk> did you try the command :w in the editor?
[16:41] <chiluk> Ohad I assume you are using vim as your editor correct?
[16:41] <Dr_willis> You mean your cron JOB is trying to make a file?
[16:42] <tgm4883> chiluk, I read that differently. Is crontab now saving, or is he running something in crontab that is suppose to create a file and that file isn't being created/saved?
[16:42] <Ohad> i trying save it does not give me
[16:43] <chiluk> Ohad is it giving you an error?
[16:43] <Ohad> yes
[16:43] <chiluk> what is that error.
[16:43] <Ohad> it seems to me that he could not install
[16:43] <chiluk> exactly as printed
[16:44] <Ohad> error in line 24
[16:44] <chiluk> type :24 ... that will take you to line 24
[16:44] <chiluk> copy and paste that line here.
[16:44] <Ohad> 5 0,12 * * * indexer -c /etc/sphinxsearch/sphinx.conf --rotate --alls
[16:45] <Ohad> I'm trying to write this
[16:45] <chiluk> Ohad you can comment out that line by putting a # in front of it then you can save.
[16:46] <chiluk> I'm not sure why it's failing.
[16:46] <Ohad> this is the problem #?
[16:47] <Ohad> taht I did not put #
[16:47] <Ohad> that*
[16:47] <chiluk> no... # will comment out that line
[16:47] <chiluk> Ohad so that it will not be checked.
[16:47] <chiluk> Ohad, # at the front of the line will make it a comment, and thus disable it.
[16:47] <chiluk> Ohad at least you can save the file then.
[16:48] <eddieVroom> hi all
[16:48] <eddieVroom> anyone having problems with bluetooth static?
[16:48] <Guest92110> hey guys, I just installed a pretty new Ubuntu 12.10 but suddenly got very sad.. my wifi doesn't work :-( I've been searching on Google a few days already.. no one seems to find an answer
[16:48] <eddieVroom> i see that droid is having this prob too
[16:48] <Ohad> what you're saying is that I should first put # save and then edit it back?
[16:49] <chiluk> Ohad that will definitely help you narrow down the problem.  at least you will be certain that the problem exists on line 24
[16:49] <chiluk> if you comment it out and you still can not save then your problem exists elsewhere.
[16:50] <chiluk> Ohad hate to do this to you, but I need to go.
[16:50] <chiluk> Ohad good luck.
[16:50] <Lukas`> I have a problem with Netgear WNA1000M, using driver Realtek RTL8188CUS
[16:50] <Ohad> THX
[16:50] <Lukas`> from my point of view, I have tried everything :-(
[16:52] <Lukas`> Can somebody cooperate with me to get this to work, please
[16:52] <eddieVroom> i've had issues, but they had more to do with the access point
[16:52] <eddieVroom> had to disable protected mode, turbo, all that
[16:54] <Lukas`> well, I can see all the networks, but when I choose mine, enter password.. it's doing something and then asks repeatedly for password
[16:54] <eddieVroom> keep the access point as "plain jane" as possible
[16:54] <eddieVroom> and yes, that is exactly the issue i had
[16:55] <eddieVroom> needed to reboot the router after disabling all that stuff too
[16:55] <Lukas`> I'm using 12.10 64bit
[16:55] <Lukas`> Oh, really?
[16:55] <Lukas`> hmm.. that's really strange
[16:55] <eddieVroom> i'm saying it's more likely a router issue
[16:57] <Lukas`> I'm gonna try it, be back in a minute - thanks for tip
[16:58] <eddieVroom> i've been getting static on my bluetooth earpiece ever since the last kernel update
[16:58] <eddieVroom> :)
[16:58] <kabooya> Hi guys
[16:58] <kabooya> QT or GTK Desktop environment?
[16:58] <bazhang> !poll | kabooya
[17:01] <Toasty_Loaf> So, I'm thinking of doing a full restore, back to Chrome OS, and then reinstalling Ubuntu 12.04, only problem is: When I reboot back into Chrome OS, it WILL wipe Ubuntu off my system, but the partition will remain. I want to know: When I begin the install process, can I just reassign the partition as normal?
[17:03] <Toasty_Loaf> I also don't really care about the system being wiped, I have nothing saved on here. I just want to know what to do when it asks: "How much space would you like to partition to Ubuntu?" Am I going to mess up the system if I enter 300 like I did last time while the partition still remains? OR Will it just override and take space from the remaining partition?
[17:07]  * |nv|s|b|e is not known as |nv|s|b|e 
[17:19] <diverdude> my ubuntu has entered some weird mode. When i have a terminal or gedit open and press some keys nothing is written. Instead the menu in the top of the screen is activated...How do i get out of this mode?
[17:20] <tflgen2_> press the windows key on your keyboard? maybe it's stuck
[17:20] <tflgen2_> or ctr
[17:20] <she_dyed> or ESC?
[17:20] <tflgen2_> s/ctr/ctrl
[17:21] <wilee-nilee> diverdude, Are you clicking on them to give focus?
[17:21] <diverdude> wilee-nilee, i am clicking on the windows to give focus yes...it changes nothing
[17:22] <she_dyed> is your cursor then stuck, diverdude
[17:22] <wilee-nilee> diverdude, This the unity desktop and have you modified ccsm?
[17:23] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know how can I check if my webcam is working or not? it is integrated.
[17:23] <diverdude> wilee-nilee, yes its the unity desktop. i have not modified any ccsm
[17:23] <diverdude> she_dyed, no, cursor is not stuck
[17:23] <IdleOne> mojtaba: you can install Cheese and test it.
[17:24] <diverdude> i also cannot mark text. when i try to mark text the window is moved instead
[17:24] <wilee-nilee> diverdude, Cool, just some basic questions, not sire what is up myself.
[17:24] <wilee-nilee> sure*
[17:24] <IdleOne> diverdude: does this behaviour persist after a logout or reboot?
[17:24] <mojtaba> IdleOne: I installed it, but my webcam seems not working.
[17:24] <diverdude> IdleOne, hmm i have not tried that. i will try to reboot
[17:25] <IdleOne> diverdude: I've had that happen to me before but with the daily iso.
[17:26] <she_dyed> !details > mojtaba
[17:26] <diverdude> IdleOne, how did you solve it?
[17:26] <IdleOne> diverdude: I didn't. I would logout and back in and it would be gone, until it started up again.
[17:27] <IdleOne> diverdude: I was never able to figure out what it was that caused it. I thought it was some weird keycombo or something.
[17:27] <mojtaba> she_dyed: I have Dell Studio 1555, ubuntu 12.10, and my integrated webcam is not working. I tested it with cheese.
[17:27] <PapaSierra> how, on the shell, do i useradd a user ONLY if he doesn't exist? (or suppress errors as a second prize)
[17:28] <she_dyed> run command cheese in terminal, pastebin erros mojtaba
[17:28] <she_dyed> errors*
[17:28] <diverdude> IdleOne, yeah thats what i was thinking also...because i just in frustration pressed a lot of stuff and suddently it was gone...and now its back and the same method did not work second time
[17:28] <TK-999> Mojtaba: Does VLC recognize it?
[17:29] <mojtaba> TK-999: how should I use VLC?
[17:29] <mojtaba> she_dyed: I uninstalled cheese when I found it is not working.
[17:29] <TK-999> VLC media player > File > Open Capture Device
[17:30] <she_dyed> if vlc works you wont need cheeses
[17:30] <|nv|s|b|e> also, make sure its turned on in the bios
[17:30] <she_dyed> and put something on
[17:32] <desmond> ubuntu cannot see harddisk
[17:32] <desmond> sombody help
[17:32] <wilee-nilee> !details > desmond
[17:33] <she_dyed> oh no ubuntu was here
[17:33] <trism> PapaSierra: getent passwd username; if [ "$?" -eq "2" ]; then do your adduser stuff; fi; maybe?
[17:34] <PapaSierra> trism: i'll look into that. what is the 2?
[17:35] <trism> PapaSierra: getent exits with 2 if the key isn't in the database
[17:35] <mojtaba> TK-999: Your input can't be opened:
[17:35] <mojtaba> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'v4l2:///dev/video0'. Check the log for details.
[17:35] <PapaSierra> trism: interesting! thanks
[17:35] <jmnoz> howcome ubuntu has enlightenment version 0.16.999.70492-2 and not a more recent stable version in their tree?
[17:36] <desmond> 1 hour ago it was seeing 560GB Filestystem... now it does not see harddisk. i have 1 harddisk 1st part is windows vista second part is ubuntu lts12.04 ... 6 months ago installed and ubuntu was seeing first part and ubuntu... now it does not see harddisk c: AKA 560GB FİLESYSTEM
[17:36] <TK-999> !latest > jmnoz
[17:38] <mojtaba> TK-999: could you please let me know what should I do know?
[17:39] <cristi> my laptop is having battery issues, and powertop reports some devices consume a lot of power, like the fingerprint reader alone consumes 7W
[17:40] <wilee-nilee> desmond, Not seeing HD from where?
[17:40] <cristi> is there a way to disable this?
[17:40] <desmond> first part of my haddisk
[17:41] <wilee-nilee> wilee-nilee, what are you booted to and how are you looking for the HD, are we talking about specific partitions or the hard drive?
[17:41] <desmond> first partition
[17:42] <desmond> i have only 640 gb harddisk
[17:42] <wilee-nilee> desmond, We are not communicating here, is is a language barrier?
[17:42] <wilee-nilee> it*
[17:42] <desmond> 1st partition vista 560 gb
[17:42] <desmond> second is ubuntu lts 12.04
[17:43] <wilee-nilee> desmond, We are not communicating here, is it a language barrier? Are you reading my questions?
[17:44] <mojtaba> TK-999: I checked my webcam with VLC, but it did not recognize my webcam. Could you please let me know what should I do?
[17:44] <desmond>  <wilee-nilee> desmond, Not seeing HD from where? you said... i say i cant see it ... if i dont see it means ubuntu lost it
[17:45] <wilee-nilee> desmond, okay you are interpreting rather than answering the questions, good luck.
[17:45] <desmond> ubuntu cant seeş mountş show etc...  1st partitition of my diskş 2 hours ago it was seeing
[17:46] <ddsss> does ubuntu have gnome-keyring and seahorse installed by default?
[17:46] <desmond> thousands of people has the same problem but no solution in forums
[17:47]  * eXcAliBuR screams uncontrollably
[17:47]  * eXcAliBuR got a paper cut
[17:47] <eXcAliBuR> :{
[17:47] <|nv|s|b|e> sheesh
[17:48] <desmond> write google "ubuntu cant see harddisk" ... there are a lot of threads but no solutionş some jerks ask ask ask again but no help fukşin ubuntu a lot of problems worse than windows
[17:48] <wilee-nilee> desmond, You have left out major details, for example is this a install from windows, or a partitioned install, have you looked at the windows partition say with gparted to see errors, Have you modified fstab maybe, does windows ned a chkdsk per-say.
[17:49]  * wilee-nilee puts rants in ignore
[17:49] <|nv|s|b|e> ya
[17:50] <desmond> what matters? 2 hours ago it was seeing... i installed ubun tu secon,d partition  6 months ago /media/ folder only sees usb stick but not FILESYSDTEM 560GB
[17:50] <|nv|s|b|e> ive also come to realize that using other search engines give different results, and found answers
[17:50] <desmond> i cant mount
[17:50] <OerHeks> desmond, what version of gparted do you use?
[17:51] <desmond> how old are you?
[17:52] <desmond> what is your mama maiden name?
[17:52] <dylan> ???
[17:52] <OerHeks> desmond i was gonna help you, but i stop now , goodluck
[17:52] <dylan> mate, if your phising, this isn't the way to do it
[17:52] <dylan> phishing*
[17:53] <desmond> i better format and forget fukin ubuntu gl to you dont fukin advertise ubuntu again
[17:53] <desmond> fuck ubuntu!
[17:53] <IdleOne> No need to announce if you're not willing to help. Frustration in help channels is common, both for the helpers and the people seeking help. Step away if you find yourself getting irritated.
[17:54] <vool-kristjan> desmond: what problem you have?
[17:54] <vool-kristjan> nwm...
[17:54] <dylan> vool-kristjan: He just quit, or was kicked
[17:54] <vool-kristjan> dylan: what problem did desmond have?
[17:54] <adamk> Some sort of personality disorder, as far as I can tell.
[17:55] <IdleOne> he is gone now. move on.
[17:55] <dylan> vool-kristjan: Something about not being able to see an external HD
[17:55] <_Bauer> how do I mount an iso so that I can FULLY access it as regular use?
[17:55] <_Bauer> user*
[17:56] <sarita> hello
[17:56] <vool-kristjan> _Bauer you can mount it in nautilus, but if you want to change files, unpack the iso
[17:56] <sarita> in spain
[17:56] <sarita> please
[17:56] <IdleOne> !es
[17:57] <diverdude> how do i see if a user is a sudo user?
[17:57] <dylan> check the sudoers file?
[17:57] <dylan> did you*
[17:58] <sanguisdex> I have an nvidia video card and no matter what I have done I have had a keyboard mouse lag, and it gets worse if I use 2 monitors, anyone else encounter this?
[17:58] <sanguisdex> btw it's a system76 wildabeast
[17:59] <wilee-nilee> sanguisdex, Have you posted in the system76 area of the ubuntu forums?
[17:59] <auronandace> diverdude: id
[17:59] <vool-kristjan> sanguisdex: did you download the drivers from nvidia website?
[17:59] <_Bauer> thanks vool-kristjan , while apparently this guide is wrong: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountIso#From_the_Command_Line_.28As_a_Regular_User.29
[18:00] <vool-kristjan> _Bauer, np
[18:01] <sanguisdex> wilee-nilee: nope and vool-kristjan: no I used the additional drivers app
[18:01] <wilee-nilee> sanguisdex, Cool, don't forget their direct support. ;)
[18:04] <sonofzeus> hi who uses tiger?
[18:04] <Lukas`> Hello still got problems while connecting to network
[18:06] <Krisiun> Hi there...any good data recovery software for ext4?
[18:06] <she_dyed> mojtaba: why video0, was it the only one showing, check the log'
[18:07] <mojtaba> she_dyed: Yes, how can check the log? (I am new to linux.)
[18:07] <she_dyed> better yet, open a termnal and type vlc
[18:07] <delinquentme> open vpn client for ubnuntu??
[18:07] <she_dyed> so you can see the errors mojtaba
[18:08] <delinquentme> openVPN?
[18:08] <diverdude> i have installed openssh-server, but when i try to log in via my sudo user i get permission denied
[18:08] <diverdude> *try to log in via ssh
[18:09] <diverdude> Do i have to setup something special first?
[18:09] <TK-999> diverdude: SSH daemon running?
[18:09] <diverdude> TK-999, well i get prompted for a password, so i would say yes
[18:09] <mojtaba> she_dyed: I typed vlc, and it generate a long list. should I paste them here?
[18:10] <TK-999> PasswordAuthentication line in config file is set to yes or is commented?
[18:10] <mojtaba> she_dyed: vlc | pastebinit
[18:10] <mojtaba> VLC media player 2.0.5 Twoflower (revision 2.0.5-0-g1661b7d)
[18:10] <mojtaba> [0xdd3108] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
[18:10] <mojtaba> (vlc:20251): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_settings_set_long_property: assertion `GTK_SETTINGS (settings)' failed
[18:10] <TK-999> Are you sure you are typing the right password?
[18:10] <she_dyed> open the capture device/cam moha_hunt
[18:10] <she_dyed> open the capture device/cam mojtaba
[18:10] <mojtaba> she_dyed: It is open
[18:11] <she_dyed> open the capture device/cam
[18:11] <she_dyed> using vlc
[18:11] <starbuck33> hi, is there a good program which comes very close to faststone image viewer (windows) in terms of quality and functionality?
[18:11] <mojtaba> she_dyed: I am using vlc at the moment and clicked on the tab capture device under media
[18:12] <she_dyed> which capture device now pick one mojtaba
[18:13] <vool-kristjan> she_dyed: use "cheese" to record ur webcam
[18:13] <mojtaba> she_dyed: capture mode: video for linux 2
[18:13] <sonofzeus> hey
[18:13] <diverdude> TK-999, that line is commented out
[18:14] <mojtaba> she_dyed: video device name: /dev/video0
[18:14] <sonofzeus> shall i disable ssh for max security?
[18:14] <she_dyed> vool-kristjan: talk to mojtaba not me
[18:14] <diverdude> should i activate that line
[18:14] <mojtaba> she_dyed: audio device name: hw:0,0
[18:14] <TK-999> diverdude: Did you set up an SSH key for yourself for any unrelated reason before?
[18:14] <she_dyed> mojtaba: is this showing in the selection screen
[18:14] <mojtaba> she_dyed: Yes, just these.
[18:15] <diverdude> TK-999, mmm no, should i remove the known hosts file just to be sure?
[18:15] <mojtaba> she_dyed: What is the next step?
[18:15] <she_dyed> dont pick video for linux again
[18:16] <mojtaba> she_dyed: What should I pick?
[18:16] <TK-999> perhaps
[18:18] <OptimusFine> o/
[18:19] <she_dyed> mojtaba: there are no other choices. You may have to post in the forum, reinstall cheese for more troubleshooting, use some serious googling or pick a media distro that will recognize the cam out of the box
[18:20] <mojtaba> she_dyed: Before I could use my webcam with ubuntu. Do you know what has happened?
[18:20] <mojtaba> she_dyed: How can I use cheese to figure out what is going on?
[18:20] <wilee-nilee> mojtaba, Have you checked the web with that cam and your ubuntu install?
[18:21] <she_dyed> mojtaba: i'd go back to the ubuntu that worked with it
[18:21] <mojtaba> she_dyed: I just upgrade it with apt-get, nothing else
[18:21] <she_dyed> mojtaba: what wilee-nilee said ^
[18:22] <mojtaba> wilee-nilee: It was working with this distro some times ago.
[18:22] <javier_> hello. I am looking for a way to change the resolution on my flatscreen. I have 1080p tv, but it is being recognized as a 72 inch, and it is not that big
[18:24] <kenlik> hi people, i'm using ubuntu 12.10; i'm trying to install indicator-sensors (By Alex Murray) but when run add-apt-repository ppa:alexmurray/indicator-sensors
[18:24] <javier_> i have tried the following nvidia-settings --asign CurrentMetaMode='DFP-1: 1920x1080 { ViewPortOut=1850x1005+15+38}" in order to see the uppermost title block and the other toolbars on the perimter with no success
[18:24] <wilee-nilee> mojtaba, in the terminal lsusb -v to identify the cam and search with that info, and post it.
[18:24] <javier_> i am using ubuntu 12.10
[18:24] <kenlik> the following occur: Cannot access PPA (https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~alexmurray/+archive/indicator-sensors) to get PPA information, please check your internet connection.
[18:25] <javier_> i am going to try this site http://ubuntuxtreme.com/howto/how-to-install-nvidia-310-14-drivers-major-changes/ next
[18:25] <javier_> not sure what to do
[18:25] <kenlik> what's wrong with that?
[18:25] <javier_> i am not on that pc right now, will be later but looking for suggestions
[18:25] <kenlik> i'm on a proxy network
[18:26] <mojtaba> wilee-nilee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713907/
[18:26] <she_dyed> javier_: do you know what the 15+38 mean
[18:26] <haiQt_> hey guys, why do none of my other desktop environments work? i installed cinnamon and tried switching to that, *or* GNOME, but it's the same basic desktop environment with just a top and bottom bar (top one says applications and places), and the cinnamon menu doesn't work for example -- any ideas?
[18:27] <javier_> those are the border sizes
[18:27] <diverdude> TK-999, hmm i keep getting permission denied
[18:27] <diverdude> Do you have any other suggestions?
[18:28] <javier_> i am thinking that i will have to run xrandr or something to get other parameters and insert them into the xorg.conf file
[18:28] <javier_> i am also running the geforce gt 640
[18:28] <she_dyed> javier_: have an nvidia current yes, google later for wiki and xrandr and insert them params when it works
[18:29] <she_dyed> javier_: the log Xorg.0.log helps too
[18:29] <javier_> ok cool. thanks!
[18:29] <she_dyed> btw javier_ make sure those numbers you use are showing up on that log as ok
[18:30] <wilee-nilee> mojtaba, Mainly here I am trying to get (you) to find the webcam model so you can search for info
[18:30] <she_dyed> 1850xsomething
[18:30] <javier_> ok gotcha
[18:31] <javier_> i am going to be uninstalling the 12.10 i have currently and starting from fresh so I can get walked thru the install process for card drivers
[18:31] <she_dyed> shortform javier_ if its not showing we'll try some other resolution
[18:31] <javier_> i have seen a number of instructions from xswat and noobslab and not sure which one to follow
[18:31] <she_dyed> hmm
[18:32] <javier_> no the display works fine. its just that the display space is too large and i don't know how to resize it
[18:32] <she_dyed> ok javier_ the wiki has info on that xrandr
[18:32] <javier_> another question. which drivers work best with ubuntu, AMD or Nvidia
[18:33] <javier_> can you share the wiki page with me so I can follow it please
[18:33] <she_dyed> thinkwiki and xrandr, first hit
[18:33] <diverdude> i am having trouble connecting via ssh. i get permission denied. I really do not understand why. this is the ssh config file: http://paste.drizzle.org/show/2288/
[18:34] <diverdude> can anybody please help me understand how to connect to my server via ssh
[18:35] <javier_> thanks. got it. I will be back on later!
[18:35] <she_dyed> k
[18:35] <Pici> diverdude: is your server listening on port 43567?
[18:36] <diverdude> Pici, it should yes but im not sure
[18:36] <diverdude> Pici, how do i check that?
[18:36] <Pici> diverdude: Well, the file you pasted is configuration for the client, not the server. Are you on the server now?
[18:37] <SARC> Hello, I am running the latest squeeze on a Dell PE R620.  On boot, I receive a pci 0000:01:00.1 BAR 6: address space collision on of device [0xdc000000 - 0xdc07ffff] error.  What's the best way to troubleshoot this type of error?
[18:37] <SARC> I am also during boot receiving an error i8042.c: No controller found
[18:37] <diverdude> Pici, yeah i am
[18:37] <Pici> SARC: We don't support Squeeze/debian here, try #debian
[18:37] <Pici> diverdude: pastebin the output of:  sudo netstat -tanp | grep ssh
[18:37] <diverdude> Pici, ok so maybe i have edited the wrong config file?
[18:38] <SARC> Hello, I am running Ubuntu on a Dell PE R620.  On boot, I receive a pci 0000:01:00.1 BAR 6: address space collision on of device [0xdc000000 - 0xdc07ffff] error.  What's the best way to troubleshoot this type of error?  (Same thing happens on Ubuntu too)
[18:38] <Pici> diverdude: if you're trying to change the configuration of the server you need to modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[18:39] <charliee> hello
[18:39] <diverdude> Pici, this is the output: http://paste.drizzle.org/show/2289/
[18:39] <diverdude> seems its only listening to port 22
[18:39] <she_dyed> SARC: try a liveCD to see if it works
[18:39] <jnoz> so I'm running Ubuntu raring (13.04) and I would like to install the latest stable version of enlightenment. There doesn't seem to be a package. How should I best proceed?
[18:40] <SARC> she: What do you mean?  I dont want to run from a liveCD all the time.
[18:40] <diverdude> Pici,  hmm ok but thats also fine for now...i can change the port correctly afterwards....i still dont understand why i get permission denied though
[18:40] <she_dyed> SARC: you're in trioubleshooting mode
[18:40] <wilee-nilee> !13.04 > jnoz
[18:41] <jnoz> wilee-nilee: thanks
[18:41] <androidfr33k> What does the lts after the revision number?
[18:41] <delinquentme> ./build-key-server myservername   <<< this command ... on this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/openvpn.html
[18:41] <llutz> diverdude: what username do you use to connect? does that user really exist on the server?
[18:41] <delinquentme> this is the server that I've got locally ... or the one I want to connect to?
[18:42] <Pici> diverdude: do you still get permission denied if you try to connect to port 22? do you get that if you try to ssh to localhost if you are on the server itself?
[18:42] <llutz> diverdude: use "ssh -vv user@host" and check the log for info
[18:42] <diverdude> llutz, i do ssh pelletserver@mydomain.com and i know that this user exists because when i use the server directly with keyboard thats the user i am using.....and its a sudo user
[18:42] <llutz> diverdude: "pelletserver" is a username?
[18:43] <jnoz> what about installing any software on ubuntu that I can't find a package for. What's the recommended way of doing it?
[18:43] <charliee> I have an Sony vgn-z21mn running on ubuntu 12.04. Anyone know how to activate the nvidia graphics? This notebook has hybrid graphic cards
[18:43] <adamk> charliee: You need to look into bumblebee.
[18:43] <adamk> charliee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[18:43] <she_dyed> jnoz get Bodhi's latest and see if enlightenment works for you, theres a learning curve
[18:44] <she_dyed> its ubuntu under the covers
[18:44] <charliee> or should I wait for 13.04?
[18:44] <diverdude> llutz, yes pelletserver is a username
[18:45] <diverdude> llutz, this is the output of -vv http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713955/
[18:45] <wachpwnski> with udev how can I find a the static label of a usb port? is this it?   -> /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.7/2-1.7:1.0/host11/target11:0:0/11:0:0:0/
[18:45] <diverdude> Pici, i will try ssh to localhost
[18:45] <Pici> diverdude: what is the output of getent passwd pelletserver ?
[18:45] <charliee> thanx for the link, i will try it
[18:46] <jnoz> she_dyed: is that another distribution? I am not looking to reinstall. thanks.
[18:46] <wilee-nilee> charliee, Starting with a exact description of what you have is a good start for the channel. ;)
[18:46] <diverdude> Pici, no output from that
[18:46] <Jaith> I just did apt-get update/upgrade on my server running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and noticed that PHP is _ancient_. Ubuntu's package system installs 5.3.10. The latest version of php is 5.4.14.  The latest release of php 5.3 is 5.3.24.  Why on earth has canonical (or someone) not provided more up-to-date packages for PHP?  This is kind of ridiculous.
[18:46] <diverdude> oh fuck
[18:46] <she_dyed> jnoz: its a liveCD
[18:46] <diverdude> im stupid
[18:46] <Pici> diverdude: mind your language please.
[18:46] <diverdude> sorry man
[18:46] <|nv|s|b|e> watch ur mouth sonny
[18:46] <diverdude> yes double sorry
[18:46] <|nv|s|b|e> ok
[18:46] <jnoz> she_dyed: that has nothing to do with my question, sorry
[18:46] <diverdude> ok my bad
[18:47] <Pici> diverdude: did you forget to make the user?
[18:47] <she_dyed> jnoz: on hte contrary
[18:47] <diverdude> username is not pelletserver
[18:47] <diverdude> stupid me
[18:47] <diverdude> really sorry about that
[18:47] <|nv|s|b|e> np
[18:47] <Pici> diverdude: it happens :)
[18:47] <Wraps> Lol, installed ubuntu today and I must admit this is far more better than windows
[18:47] <she_dyed> jnoz: you said you didn't want to install
[18:48] <diverdude> and now it works :)
[18:48] <|nv|s|b|e> Wraps-   youll soon be overjoyed
[18:48] <jnoz> she_dyed: oh, my question was about installing latest stable enlightenment on 13.04 ubuntu.
[18:48] <llutz> diverdude: things tend to work if you do them right :)
[18:48] <she_dyed> btw raring is anotehr channel
[18:48] <Jaith> can anyone tell me why the PHP version installed via ubuntu package management is SO DAMN OLD?  (5.3.10) ??
[18:48] <diverdude> llutz, yes i know....my mistake. i am sorry
[18:48] <she_dyed> jnoz: #ubuntu+1 iirc
[18:49] <KatsumeBlisk> Jaith: What version of Ubuntu?
[18:49] <chiluk> jaith because no one has updated it... we are a community
[18:49] <Jaith> 12.04
[18:49] <Jaith> chiluk: yes but but but....
[18:49] <jnoz> my misstake, what I was last asking was "what about installing any software on ubuntu that I can't find a package for. What's the recommended way of doing it?"
[18:49] <Jaith> it's SOOOOOOOO old
[18:49] <diverdude> Pici, regarding the port number, isn't /etc/ssh/ssh_config for the ssh server?
[18:49] <KatsumeBlisk> Jaith: That's why. LTSes don't get anything but security and browser updates.
[18:49] <Pici> diverdude: no. /etc/ssh/sshd_config is for the server. ssh_config is for the client.
[18:49] <jpds> KatsumeBlisk: Not necessarily.
[18:49] <llutz> diverdude: ssh is client, sshd server
[18:49] <KatsumeBlisk> Jaith: Well, any version doesn't, but LTSes are supported for years, rather than months.
[18:49] <chiluk> Jaith you might have luck searching for an updated python ppa
[18:50] <czz> Anyone care to help me with pgp?
[18:50] <Jaith> latest 5.3 is 5.3.24.  latest php is 5.4.14.
[18:50] <czz> I have a pgp message and their public key ,now what?
[18:50] <she_dyed> jnoz: i usually grab a .deb flavor of it, then use gdebi (watch out for dependencies)
[18:50] <chiluk> Jaith, or installing the version from raring..
[18:50] <KatsumeBlisk> jpds: Care to give me an example that's not a web browser?
[18:50] <Jaith> KatsumeBlisk: surely there is a security update between 5.3.10 and 5.3.24?
[18:50] <jpds> Jaith: 12.04 is frozen in terms of software versions, only security fixes.
[18:50] <chiluk> Jaith ymmv with that though
[18:50] <jpds> Jaith: They're backported.
[18:50] <Jaith> jpds: surely there is a security fix between 5.3.10 and 5.3.24?
[18:50] <chiluk> hey jpds
[18:51] <she_dyed> jnoz: or use dpkg with the .deb if you're more familiar with it
[18:51] <jpds> chiluk: Yo. o/
[18:51] <jpds> Jaith: As I said, they're backported and placed in precise-security.
[18:51] <chiluk> jpds do you lurk here often?
[18:51] <she_dyed> jnoz: but you might wind up on your own for support winging it like that
[18:51] <jpds> chiluk: Quite.
[18:51] <Jaith> czz: you might consider using thunderbird as mail client and installing Enigmail?
[18:52] <czz> Jaith, Can't do that.
[18:52] <Jaith> czz: so you need to encrypt a message to send and you have msg and private key?
[18:52] <czz> Can't you do it through command line?
[18:52] <Jaith> czz: yes of course
[18:52] <jnoz> she_dyed: doesn't seem very enticing
[18:52] <czz> Jaith, I have a message I need to decrypt.
[18:53] <Jaith> well then someone else's public key is not going to help you
[18:53] <llutz> czz: gpg -d file
[18:53] <she_dyed> i know thats why i suggested bodhi to see if you'd enjoy the desktop, a lot of people can't get used to it
[18:53] <czz> llutz, What goes inside the file?
[18:54] <czz> the message...?
[18:54] <llutz> czz: file = the message
[18:54] <Jaith> czz: in order to decrypt a file that was sent to you, you need the *private* key that corresponds to the public key that was used to encrypt the file
[18:54] <llutz> czz: btw you need your secretkey to decrypt, not the senders pubkey
[18:54] <Jaith> czz: whoever sent you the message should have used YOUR public key to encrypt any messages sent to you
[18:54] <chiluk> jpds++
[18:55] <Jaith> jpds: not sure what you mean about precise-security?
[18:55] <jpds> Jaith: precise-security pocket.
[18:55] <Jaith> jpds: ??  sorry don't understand?
[18:55] <sw0rdfish> some shit happens with unity when I'm using synergy and using my win8
[18:55] <KatsumeBlisk> Jaith: It's a repository
[18:55] <jpds> Jaith: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Versions
[18:55] <sw0rdfish> win8's keyboard and keybad
[18:56] <jpds> Jaith: And https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Versions
[18:56] <Jaith> ahhh so i might but that in my sources list or something?
[18:56] <czz> llutz, Says I can't open the file
[18:56] <sw0rdfish> mousepad* .... anyone face this kind of issue?
[18:56] <jpds> Jaith: Sorry, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Repositories
[18:56] <Jaith> czz: can you be more precise about error message?
[18:56] <Jaith> jpds: thanks
[18:56] <jpds> Jaith: No, it's already there.
[18:56] <Jaith> jpds: will read thx.
[18:56] <czz> Jaith, gpg: can't open `new.txt'
[18:56] <czz> gpg: decrypt_message failed: file open error
[18:56] <jpds> Jaith: A newer version of PHP won't be there.
[18:57] <jpds> Jaith: But security fixes taken from newer versions of PHP will be.
[18:57] <Jaith> czz: sounds like you might not have specified the file correctly OR you don't have permission to read it?
[18:57] <KatsumeBlisk> Jaith: The reason there aren't updates is so people using 12.04 for stability (it is an LTS) don't have something break because a package updated.
[18:57] <KatsumeBlisk> Jaith: PHP is especially one of those since LTSes are used for servers too.
[18:57] <czz> Jaith, http://averagepenguin.com/?p=248
[18:58] <czz> I wonder if that tut will help
[18:58] <chiluk> jpds there needs to be a laika bot on #ubuntu... so people are even more encouraged to help others
[18:59] <jpds> chiluk: The community love doesn't encourage you enough?
[18:59] <chiluk> nope... I need hard numbers!
[18:59] <chiluk> plus it would help when applying to contributing dev etc...
[19:00] <chiluk> show that I care!
[19:00] <zorin0s> a quick question please
[19:01] <tgm4883> !ask | zorin0s
[19:01] <zorin0s> i want to install this http://bues.ch/cms/hacking/razercfg.html after i download it, how do i install?
[19:01] <charliee1> thank you guy´s again, it works perfect
[19:02] <Jaith> KastumeBlisk: i get it.  i was up til 1:30 one night last week fixing a session problem thanks to a suhosin update
[19:03] <czz> Jaith, Got it!
[19:03] <czz> Feels good.
[19:03] <david_> d
[19:03] <Jaith> czz: sweet.  what does it say?  ;)
[19:04] <czz> hehe.
[19:05] <OerHeks> zorin0s, extract that archive, and read the 'readme'
[19:05] <Andy___> Hey guys
[19:05] <Andy___> Anyone know the best was I can get in touch with the ubuntu store staff?
[19:06] <Andy___> I tried the form but it doesn't seem to be working currently
[19:06] <czz> Jaith, Thanks. See ya.
[19:06] <Jaith> czz: of course.  ciao.
[19:07] <zorin0s> OerHeks,  then how do i run it?
[19:08] <chiluk> charlilee1 makes me feel used..
[19:08] <_Bauer> I created a user and group called wineuser, tried with/without setting user's password. however when I do something like
[19:09] <_Bauer> sg wineuser, I get prompted for password, and I get error crypt: Invalid argument
[19:09] <_Bauer> no matter which one I try. Any ideas?
[19:11] <wilee-nilee> _Bauer, not sure but would the user need sudo access and a password.
[19:12] <_Bauer> wilee-nilee: I doubt it, its supposed to work without root, I try even simple commands such as ping aand get same error, I tried providing it the root password as well
[19:12] <delinquentme> so "Client Certificates"  on this tutorial:https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/openvpn.html    ... these are commands which should be run on the server right?
[19:12] <_Bauer> wilee-nilee: I am trying to follow this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1188099
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> _Bauer, Looks like greek to me I never use wine.
[19:14] <_Bauer> wilee-nilee: its not about wine, its about restricting a certain program ( in this case, wine) from having internet access
[19:14] <_Bauer> this guide is based on using the sg command
[19:14] <stephenjudkins> i'd like to use a VPN for just a single program in Linux (on ARM). is this possible? simple?
[19:15] <Guest91166> hola. just intalled 13.04 from scratch. but i have trouble updating. i have tried many different servers with no luck. Error: http://pastebin.com/zBhmkB38
[19:16] <wilee-nilee> _Bauer, You may know what you are doing to some extent, however running in root in Ubuntu or having a password for root is not advised.
[19:17] <_Bauer> wilee-nilee: and the point of that sentence? would you rather have me do nothing? or what..
[19:17] <jacklk> I'm having trouble with my Ubuntu install -- it just hangs there with text on the screen saying "RIP blah blah" in white text, and doesn't do anything...
[19:18] <_Bauer> wilee-nilee: and the point of that sentence? would you rather have me do nothing? or what..
[19:18] <jacklk> Recovery mode doesn't do anything.
[19:19] <wilee-nilee> jacklk, blah, blah, blah is of no help, give details.
[19:19] <jacklk> wilee-nilee: I cannot, it is just a load of crap
[19:20] <jacklk> saying stuff about installed packages -- it does not give a certain error
[19:20] <wilee-nilee> jacklk, There are details you can give, for example what has led you to this conundrum.
[19:21] <jacklk> wilee-nilee: I installed Ubuntu (had to in text mode) as it doesn't boot in a GUi without doing this
[19:21] <jacklk> now on the real install it does this thing
[19:21] <jacklk> all lights on my keyboard flash/light up for some reason
[19:22] <wilee-nilee> jacklk, Have you checked the install iso or cd/usb md5sum, could this be a bad download or install. Have you run ubuntu on this computer with no problems in the past?
[19:22] <jacklk> wilee-nilee: checking now mate
[19:23] <Guest91166> bump: tried many different servers with no luck. Error: http://pastebin.com/zBhmkB38
[19:23] <sliddjur> How do I update this bios for hp compaq 6910p which one should I download and go for?http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?cc=us&prodNameId=3357378&prodSeriesId=3357377&swLang=8&taskId=135&swEnvOID=1093#120
[19:24] <p0wn3d>  stephenjudkins: Why wouldn't you want all your network traffic to go across the VPN?
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> !13.04 > Guest91166
[19:25] <stephenjudkins> p0wn3d: because the VPN is slow, and it's only necessary for a certain daemon.
[19:26] <Levanth> Hi is this the right Channel for Xampp Questions in Ubuntu 13.04?
[19:26] <jacklk> wilee-nilee: I did add a folder to the USB afte
[19:26] <jacklk> r
[19:26] <jacklk> do you think that waz the problem?!
[19:26] <TK-999> !13.04 > Levanth
[19:27] <wilee-nilee> jacklk, Not sure what is the folder?
[19:27] <jacklk> wilee-nilee: a folder with the drivers I need
[19:27] <Levanth> TK-999 so #13.04 is the right channelß
[19:27] <jacklk> so it is all loaded pn 1 usb
[19:27] <jacklk> on
[19:27] <TK-999> The message says it all
[19:28] <Levanth> okay thanks
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> jacklk, Well, the drivers not in the repos, if I understand you you could not get a desktop from the live media is this correct?
[19:28] <jacklk> 13.04 doesn't exist
[19:28] <jacklk> wilee-nilee: correct
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> 13.04 is the development
[19:28] <jacklk> but it is a wireless driver
[19:28] <diverdude> what does apt-get install -f do?
[19:28] <jacklk> the channel #13.04 doesn't exist
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> jacklk, Did you try a nomodeset to boot at anytime?
[19:29] <Levanth> so #ubuntu+1 am i right?
[19:29] <jacklk> wilee-nilee: What does that do?
[19:29] <she_dyed> yes
[19:29] <Levanth> okay thank you
[19:29] <wilee-nilee> jacklk, 13.04 is #ubuntu+1. nomodeset is a low graphic boot, hold on.
[19:29] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | jacklk
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> jacklk, I would be more inclined to investigate the cards you need drivers for and the release installed, it may be an easy fix.
[19:31] <jacklk> wilee-nilee: lol, I'm using Debian
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> jacklk, YOu need the #debian channel then
[19:31] <jacklk> wilee-nilee: banned
[19:32] <MonkeyDu1t> jacklk  for no reason, of course
[19:32] <wilee-nilee> jacklk, Get unbanned you will not get help here, just saying. ;)
[19:33] <jacklk> wilee-nilee: yeah I've asked in #debian-ops
[19:33] <diverdude> what does apt-get install -f do?
[19:34] <llutz> diverdude: man apt-get (fix-missing)
[19:34] <Izak_> ys
[19:34] <wilee-nilee> diverdude, finalize a broken or locked install generally.
[19:35] <jacklk> Ubuntu 12.10 is so slow..
[19:35] <disturbed> hello
[19:35] <jacklk> Why can't it be made to be light and run on older hardware?
[19:36] <disturbed> someone experienced with ubuntu server, /etc/init.d and tightvncserver ?
[19:36] <MonkeyDu1t> disturbed  ask in #ubuntu-server
[19:36] <disturbed> ok tnx
[19:37] <disturbed> that's an empty chan
[19:37] <disturbed> or is that you way of saying ...
[19:37] <disturbed> :)
[19:37] <she_dyed> bingo
[19:37] <bean> jacklk: I recommend Lubuntu for old hardware
[19:37] <jacklk> disturbed: it's not empty
[19:38] <jacklk> bean: same
[19:38] <bekks> disturbed: There are 408 people in that channel.
[19:38] <she_dyed> just start chatting
[19:38] <disturbed> wrong join command....
[19:38] <disturbed> chatting via a website, not via mirc, my mistake
[19:39] <NinjahMeh> hello peoples
[19:39] <_Bauer> wilee-nilee: about my sg problem: I found out that it WORKS when run as root: sg wineuser works from root, but asks for password when run from regular user, why?
[19:39] <_Bauer> I dont want to run wine as root
[19:40] <ekiwok> _Bauer, noone wants
[19:40] <DigiDuncan> can someone help me out?
[19:40] <DigiDuncan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2135927&p=12606155#post12606155
[19:40] <NinjahMeh> little querie, what is the best method to get everything i need from an internal hard drive thats dual booting win8 and linux onto a new ssd
[19:40] <NinjahMeh> like format wise will windows 8 boot off of mbr formated ssd
[19:41] <_Bauer> ekiwok: any ideas to try?
[19:41] <ekiwok> _Bauer, sorry I interrupted, I have no idea how to solve your problem but I agree with you that running wine as root is terrible idea
[19:42] <wilee-nilee> NinjahMeh, I would think a clone to the ssd drive is all you need
[19:42] <NinjahMeh> yes but target ssd is > internal old hdd
[19:42] <p0wn3d> NinjahMeh: I was thinking clonezilla
[19:42] <NinjahMeh> yeh i just started that downloading in linux
[19:42] <wilee-nilee> NinjahMeh, OKay how are we supposed to interpret that?
[19:42] <NinjahMeh> but then thought maybe the cd that came with the harddrive might be worth trying
[19:43] <NinjahMeh> fail softwares
[19:43] <NinjahMeh> much like its manual
[19:43] <NinjahMeh> lol
[19:43] <FloodBot1> NinjahMeh: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:43] <ekiwok> NinjahMeh, what do you want to achieve? install linux on external drive and left fat/ntfs partition for files?
[19:43] <DigiDuncan> Can someone help me out, please? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2135927&p=12606155#post12606155
[19:43] <NinjahMeh> nono am using a laptop
[19:44] <NinjahMeh> am about to place both win8 and linux partitions on it
[19:44] <NinjahMeh> and using ssd to then boot from
[19:44] <NinjahMeh> but like i say ssd is 250g and current old drive is 500g
[19:44] <ekiwok> DigiDuncan, what do you want to do?
[19:45] <DigiDuncan> Check the post, it's a little lengthy, don't want to flood.
[19:46] <Guest31772> ciao a tutti
[19:46] <ekiwok> DigiDuncan, do I unterstand it correctly. You have external drive and want to put there bootable linux and left storage for files (ex. fat partition) ?
[19:46] <harovali1> hi, the desktop here http://www.flickr.com/photos/82962339@N00/8656295182/in/photostream/lightbox/ seems to have lost its icons in the launcher pad. How can I restore them back?
[19:46] <wilee-nilee> NinjahMeh, Resize the original to fit the ssd and clone it.
[19:46] <DigiDuncan> Yes.
[19:47] <NinjahMeh> ok but also
[19:47] <NinjahMeh> i dont fully understand th gpt mbr formatting issues
[19:47] <NinjahMeh> like i have a gpt partitioned hdd
[19:47] <NinjahMeh> but i want it to be mbr from what i could understand through some research
[19:47] <_Bauer> wilee-nilee: I got it figured out! I had to LOGIN as the wineuser, and only then use the sg wineuser command
[19:48] <_Bauer> then no password prompt, and it works :)) time to try wine :)
[19:48] <NinjahMeh> which i could format the new ssd to when initialising
[19:48] <Guest31772> chi mi puo aiutare?
[19:49] <Nexus_Russia> Hi all. I have a question-how to make the browser (eg, Google Chrome) open link type [b] ts3server :/ / [/ b] (TeamSpeak3) directly in Teamspeak? I understand that this is busy xdg-open, but he did not want to open the link. Where you can already register for the MIME types for opening this link open Teamspeak? Thank you.
[19:49] <Nexus_Russia> P.S. OS Kubuntu 12.10
[19:49] <Nexus_Russia> Sorry my bad english
[19:49] <wilee-nilee> NinjahMeh, You want some major changes that to be honest using this channel will just cause you frustrations. I would use the ubuntu forums and give exact details.
[19:50] <NinjahMeh> i dont want major changes
[19:50] <harovali1> I'd thank a lot anyone taking a look to this desktop snapshot, and helping me getting the launcher icons back ;  http://www.flickr.com/photos/82962339@N00/8656295182/in/photostream/lightbox/
[19:50] <NinjahMeh> i can happily just format the ssd to gpt
[19:51] <NinjahMeh> and have all the partitions over on the ssd i need like that but i just thought someone here may have an idea if i could have an mbr drive and have the same sort of setup i do now
[19:51] <wilee-nilee> NinjahMeh, You want changes that may not seem major but are beyond what I see the channel able to with any efficiency address.
[19:51] <p0wn3d> harovali1: What desktop are you using?
[19:51] <NinjahMeh> ok
[19:51] <wilee-nilee> NinjahMeh, UEFI alone is beyond any real help here.
[19:52] <NinjahMeh> what do you mean
[19:52] <NinjahMeh> uefi is still being a grievance with linux users
[19:52] <NinjahMeh> ??
[19:53] <esing> NinjahMeh For me uefi works good
[19:53] <Shizuo> This is a support channel
[19:53] <NinjahMeh> i thought the released signed bootloader thing a while back as going to lead to a fairly straight forward fix to that rubbish
[19:53] <Shizuo> An official one
[19:53] <NinjahMeh> yeh i get uefi functioning just fine
[19:53] <NinjahMeh> dual booting and all that its fine and stable
[19:53] <harovali1> p0wn3d: I believe it is Unity 2d
[19:54] <NinjahMeh> literally just wandering what format type to make my new ssd before i port my system to it and install it in the laptop
[19:54] <NinjahMeh> :P
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> NinjahMeh, What I mean is that UEFI setups are different per manufactures in general, so beyond any real help here, even the best at this on the forums say this. Now you want to mbr boot and do not know how to shrink the gpt, this just makes it more difficult is all.
[19:54] <NinjahMeh> i know how to shrink partitions
[19:54] <Shizuo> That makes you an analyst
[19:54] <p0wn3d> harovali1: You should find everything in /usr/share/applications. You can copy them back to your desktop. Is this what you wanted?
[19:54] <Shizuo> Or a shrink
[19:54] <NinjahMeh> lol
[19:55] <NinjahMeh> all it is is iv just got this nice shiny new ssd for my laptop
[19:55] <wilee-nilee> I other words this channel has its limitations is all for quick or accurate responses. NinjahMeh You already stated you didn't.
[19:55] <NinjahMeh> and i wanna make sure i dont fug it up putting the os and stuff over
[19:55] <NinjahMeh> the manual is terible
[19:55] <harovali1> p0wn3d: I think that the apps are there, in fact if I 'hover' along the launcher, the captions appear.
[19:56] <harovali1> p0wn3d: I can't devise what is really happening
[19:56] <harovali1> p0wn3d: it's like the launche bar is shifted up, because yo can see the lower part of an icon in the upper left corner
[19:57] <harovali1> p0wn3d: normally I see the icons in the launcher without any problem
[19:58] <harovali1> p0wn3d: but someone did something weird , or I don't know, maybe nobody did anything special, and this is how is the screen now
[19:58] <kahen71> c'è qualcuno che mi puo aiutare ?
[19:58] <Shizuo> ciao
[19:58] <adiaswin> kahen71, english please
[19:58] <Shizuo> Racist
[19:58] <sliddjur> How do I update this bios for hp compaq 6910p which one should I download and go for?http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?cc=us&prodNameId=3357378&prodSeriesId=3357377&swLang=8&taskId=135&swEnvOID=1093#120
[19:59] <adiaswin> no,no im not racist
[19:59] <p0wn3d> harovali1: Try running unity --reset-icons
[19:59] <adiaswin> im don talk spanish
[20:00] <MonkeyDu1t> !it
[20:00] <kahen71> ok grazie
[20:00] <kahen71> ciao
[20:01] <bean> Shizuo: its not racist to ask for english, it's in the rules that you have to speak english in here
[20:01] <mjuszcza1> I'm about to install Ubuntu on a new laptop I just bought.  Is it possible/safe to do 13.04 and then upgrade to release when it comes out, or should I wait?
[20:01] <Shizuo> bean: I don't agree
[20:02] <bean> Shizuo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines "Respect the channel's language, All Ubuntu Core Channels are English language channels. There are Ubuntu channels in other languages. If you speak in a channel with a different language you will be asked to join a channel for your language. The infobot has triggers like !es for Spanish, !nl for Dutch, !fr for French and so on. Please ask the user to speak in the correct language before firing one of
[20:02] <bean>  these triggers at them."
[20:02] <jnoz> how are race and language even related anyway?
[20:02] <MonkeyDu1t> mjuszcza1  it changes to release automatically
[20:02] <Shizuo> Makes me sad people are so bigoted =[
[20:03] <mjuszcza1> MonkeyDu1t: OK.  So if I install the beta now and just stay up on my updates it will automatically become release?
[20:04] <wilee-nilee> mjuszcza1, Yes, and till release the #ubuntu+1 is the channel you want to use. ;)
[20:06] <kieppie> hi folks
[20:06] <kieppie> I just realised 13.04 is coming up
[20:06] <Shizuo> hi you
[20:06] <Shizuo> Awesome
[20:07] <kieppie> what noteworthy is new & to be expected in the new release?
[20:07] <Shizuo> Go to #unbutu+1, kieppie
[20:07] <wilee-nilee> !13.04 > kieppie
[20:08] <kieppie> cheers
[20:08] <MonkeyDu1t> mjuszcza1  yes
[20:09] <Shizuo> Lame distro
[20:09] <MonkeyDu1t> mjuszcza1  i'm uing it myself
[20:10] <sliddjur> !13.04
[20:13] <ozzy_> hey guys,
[20:13] <ozzy_> i want to make a DM but i am a total noob to programming :)
[20:14] <ozzy_> i got great ideas, tough.
[20:14] <MonkeyDu1t> ozzy_  #ubuntu-app-devel
[20:14] <ozzy_> k
[20:18] <sifu> hello folks i got a weird issue with my ubuntu....basically got a wireless windows 3000 keyboard and mouse
[20:18] <sifu> when i use it after rebooting...it works fine...
[20:19] <sifu> but say i suspend the laptop...take out the mouse usb of the mouse and keyboard...wake up the system and connect it back...doesn't work until i reboot
[20:19] <MonkeyDust> sifu  so it's a suspend issue
[20:19] <bean> suspend is often a tricky thing, sifu
[20:19] <sifu> ohh
[20:19] <Shizuo> ohhh
[20:19] <Shizuo> I came
[20:20] <MonkeyDust> Shizuo  wrong channel
[20:20] <DJones> Shizuo: Do you a support question?
[20:20] <Shizuo> I was talking to sifu
[20:20] <sifu> damn man don't want to go back windows but these small nagging issues kind of makes it very annoying to go full on with ubuntu
[20:20] <morfeo_81> hi
[20:21] <bean> Shizuo: you're a troll, stop.
[20:21] <ekiwok> sifu, there is more options, just dont go back
[20:21] <sifu> like another issue i got with my laptop is the brightness keyboard shortcut just won't work...
[20:21] <sifu> ekiwok, yeh don't want to
[20:21] <Shizuo> bean: NO
[20:21] <morfeo_81> Someone can help me to install localy /home/usr/.local a particular library of python?
[20:21] <bean> Shizuo: why
[20:21] <Shizuo> bean: Not a troll
[20:22] <bean> Then ask your ubuntu related support question
[20:22] <bean> or leave
[20:22] <MonkeyDust> Shizuo  drop the random comments please
[20:22] <Shizuo> Ok
[20:22] <Shizuo> How to I upgrade emacs?
[20:22] <Shizuo> From the command line
[20:23] <dmd> Could someone who is on a linux machine that has a USB printer plugged into it pastebin me the output of "lsusb -v" please?
[20:24] <bean> Shizuo: if it's installed with apt, and there are upgrades for it, you should be able to "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
[20:24] <sifu> so anyone...any work arounds to this issue with the suspend? i mean i can't shut down the pc all the time...its just impractical
[20:24] <Shizuo> Thanks!
[20:26] <sifu> can anyone recommend any ultrabook that works flawlessly on ubuntu...i am sick and tired of windows....but when i try ubuntu on a laptop/ultrabook that comes with windows...there always seems to be sth weird....and i really don't want to buy from that company
[20:26] <dmd> Could someone who is on a linux machine that has a USB printer plugged into it pastebin me the output of "lsusb -v" please?
[20:26] <guntbert> !repeat | dmd
[20:26] <cablop> quick question: what graphic card brand is working now better with Ubuntu 12.04 between ATI and nVidia? is there any other better?
[20:27] <MonkeyDust> !best | cablop
[20:27] <cablop> MonkeyDust: i was not asking about an application
[20:28] <MonkeyDust> cablop  it goes for hardware too
[20:28] <cablop> i am asking what is working better, not which one is the best
[20:28] <Saban> any one know sendmail server?
[20:29] <guntbert> !anyone | Saban
[20:29] <guntbert> Saban: that said you might be better off in #ubuntu-server
[20:30] <Saban> ok i need to set up sendmail to send and recive wildcard emails like 667r@email.cm and 778hhj@email.com the same way facebook does there emails
[20:30] <Saban> how can i do that
[20:30] <cablop> MonkeyDust:  e.g., we have an issue with the integrated Intel card in our Ubuntu server at home, regardless in how good are Intel cards, they have a bug related to video and linux kernel in Ubuntu 12.04 that makes impossible to work with them... we moved the OS to a new board, VIA card... driver is full of bugs and we now are considering the purchase of a video card just to make it work
[20:31] <cablop> so the question is, we need to purchase a video card for an ubuntu machine running Ubuntu 12.04, we are avoiding bugs and bad|dirty drivers... which one do you recommend, ATI or nVidia?
[20:31] <guntbert> Saban: don't try to set up your own publicly available mail server unless you already are experienced with administering mail servers
[20:32] <Saban> its not puvlic but for in game email
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> cablop  is this page useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[20:32] <DigiDuncan> I've always wanted to have digiduncan@digimail.com :)
[20:33] <DigiDuncan> that would rock.
[20:33] <guntbert> Saban: thats not right - when you have it in the internet it is available (and vulnerable)
[20:34] <Saban> the settings only allows email routing on our network and will not except connections from anywhere else
[20:36] <Shizuo> I will love you like a woman deserves it
[20:39] <delinquentme> Im on this page: getting openVPN setup ... and I see this line:  /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/keys/hostname.crt (Where hostname is the hostname of the client).   ....   what exactly is the "hostname" of the client
[20:39] <delinquentme> is that the user name of who I'm logged in as on the client?
[20:40] <Saban> hostname is the computers name
[20:40] <bkfitz> Can someone help me recursively find php files in /var/www that contain the word "test" - i've tried find, grep, etc and I just can't get it
[20:40] <delinquentme> in this case "thrive" ? ... where my laptop is called thrive-laptop
[20:40] <bkfitz> sudo find /var/www -name '*.php' | grep test works for searching file names, but i want to search file contents
[20:40] <Saban> the hostname is thrive-laptop
[20:41] <delinquentme> check.
[20:41] <glebihan> bkfitz, find /var/www -name "*.php" | xargs grep -l -s test
[20:42] <bkfitz> glebihan: thx... now how do I display the line that matches
[20:42] <bkfitz> instead of the file
[20:43] <glebihan> bkfitz, remove the -l argument to grep
[20:43] <bkfitz> glebihan: thx trying now
[20:44] <bkfitz> glebihan: perfect... xargs is what i needed :)
[20:44] <Ohad3> Is there anyone here who can help?
[20:44] <breed> Hey, anyone here know how to configure OpenVPN?
[20:44] <glebihan> bkfitz, xargs can be very useful at times :)
[20:44] <Ohad3> I have a problem in aclocal
[20:45] <balfred> Where do I buy my firts cup of Ubuntu? do teyh sell them inthe ubuntu shop?
[20:45] <balfred> i cant find them
[20:45] <balfred> hello
[20:46] <Ohad3> ^^
[20:46] <balfred> hello
[20:46] <balfred> hello
[20:46] <balfred> no one talking to me why?
[20:46] <Ohad3> you can help me?
[20:46] <TK-999> !ask > Ohad3
[20:47] <Ohad3> It consists
[20:47] <balfred> !ask balfred
[20:47] <lightpriest_> balfred, do you mean the Ubuntu Mug? http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=828
[20:48] <Ohad3> TK-999ת ^^
[20:48] <Ohad3> TK-999, ^^
[20:48] <balfred> sorry im new to ubuntu do u need a mug cos i thought it was in cups you got in on your comptuer write?
[20:48] <TK-999> No useless pings please
[20:49] <jiffe98> there any plans on getting mysql 5.6 in a repository?
[20:49] <Ohad3> i have a problem with aclocal
[20:49] <TK-999> Awww MySQL - Oracle is Oracle is Oracle.
[20:50] <breed> So, does anyone know how to configure OpenVPN through command line?
[20:50] <balfred> damn it somebody reply
[20:50] <Ohad3> i have a problem with aclocal
[20:53] <Guest38808> I have xubuntu 12.04 and successful signed into Ubuntu One for the free online storage. I asked on Xubuntu last night for help to upload a pic. Someone told me to use the file section which I did and uploaded a pic online. I'm not hooked to "client", just signed into the web. I want to put pics in the photo section, not just the file, and I can't figure out how.
[20:53] <cablop> thanks MonkeyDust that page is good to help us solve our issue about the graphics card
[21:00] <Guest38808> Does anybody know how to use the free storage, ubuntu one?
[21:01] <TK-999> https://one.ubuntu.com
[21:01] <Shizuo> Hi
[21:02] <Guest38808> hi, I need to know how to put pics in Ubuntu one's photo section. I was able to download one using the file, but how do you get one into the photo section of ubuntu one?
[21:03] <jiffe98> it might be oracle but unfortunately I need some features in 5.6 on some servers and repos make things a lot easier :\
[21:04] <Bodsda> Guest38808: If you sync a folder from the client, I believe it recognizes the file type and puts it in the Pictures tab. I can't find any settings to change this behaviour
[21:04] <Guest38808> so you have to go to software to download the client? What if I just want to sign into the web that way?
[21:05] <williams> hello
[21:05] <Bodsda> Guest38808: Ubuntu One is designed to sync, it's not just random storage. If you sign into the website, you can view your files and upload some, but syncing is the preferred method
[21:05] <Bodsda> williams: hi
[21:06] <williams> who are you
[21:06] <Bodsda> williams: your imagination
[21:06] <Guest38808> ohhhh so I should go to software and download Ubuntu One to be able to sync?
[21:06] <williams> i dont know can you tell me
[21:06] <Bodsda> Guest38808: correct. although, it's probably already installed
[21:06] <MonkeyDust> williams  if you want casual chat, type /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:07] <williams> ok
[21:07] <mani2026> hi
[21:07] <Guest38808> I have xubuntu 12.04 and signed into ubuntu one online last night.
[21:07] <Bodsda> Guest38808: try running this command from a terminal         ubuntuone-control-panel-qt
[21:08] <passerine> Ohad3 what is the problem and when does it happen
[21:08] <Guest38808> o.k.
[21:08] <Ohad3> I'm trying to run something
[21:09] <Ohad3>  ./configure --with-mysql-lib=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/
[21:10] <Ohad3> Then it tells me missing aclocal-1.13
[21:11] <Ohad3> passerine, ^^
[21:13] <passerine> Ohad3 do you have automake installed?
[21:13] <Ohad3> sure
[21:15] <MonkeyDust> if more questions about suspending ubuntu should come up, take a look at qshutdown
[21:15] <passerine> aclocal --version ? what version?
[21:16] <Guest2505> Anyone have a GeForce 650M Graphics card running with ubuntu or lubuntu ?  Want to check before I buy this laptop
[21:16] <Guest38808> I was able to go in to the terminal and download ubuntu one with 66 mb of stuff. I ended up not using it, because i have an older computer and am afraid to put too much on it. All the new downloads that come seem to add more. What do you think about that?
[21:17] <Guest38808> I mean, I erased almost everything off a 7 year old Windows Vista and put Xubuntu 12.04 on it. What do you think about this?
[21:17] <Ohad3> passerine, sure
[21:18] <passerine> Ohad3 what version does it say when you run aclocal --version?
[21:18] <Ohad3> 1.13
[21:18] <Ohad3> passerine, 1.13
[21:18] <kvothetech> Guest38808: ? what's your actual issue
[21:19] <she_dyed> Guest38808: did you also erase the Windows restore partition
[21:19] <pae> This kernel does not support a non-PAE CPU. ... what kernel do I need to install then?
[21:19] <pae> this is an older pentium m
[21:20] <pae> I just upgraded to 12.10
[21:20] <pae> teh kernel doesn't upgrade and gives that error
[21:20] <kvothetech> pae install kernel sources/headers and make menuconfig and turn off pae then
[21:20] <Guest38808> My issue is putting Ubuntu One on my older computer to sync photos online to that free storage space. I went to download Ubuntu one because my xubuntu 12.04 didn't have it, but I see it is at least 60 mb of space it takes up. I am just wondering about my oldie computer with all the updates it keeps getting and should I add one more big thing like Ubuntu One?
[21:21] <Ohad3> passerine, hare you there?
[21:21] <kvothetech> pae then finish recompiling or add it in as a module
[21:21] <kvothetech> which it probably won't do but...yeah
[21:21] <pae> kvothetech: no prepackaged kernels would work? Will I need to recompile with every new kernel then?
[21:22] <she_dyed> Ohad3: did you try tab halfway thru his nick
[21:22] <Guest38808> my computer is a 7 year old windows vista that I erased everything on and put xubuntu 12.04.
[21:22] <kvothetech> pae: idk i'm not actually on ubuntu aptitude search linux- should show you what's available
[21:22] <ekiwok> Guest38808, good 4 u
[21:22] <passerine> she_dyed, her nick
[21:22] <Ohad3> she_dyed, what?
[21:23] <passerine> yes, Ohad3 I don't know though.
[21:23] <she_dyed> she here
[21:23] <passerine> she_dyed, and thanks, I didn't know about tab completers.
[21:23] <passerine> here
[21:23] <Guest38808> should I worry about adding new stuff like Ubuntu One? with all the updates and all?
[21:23] <she_dyed> what about Ohad3 =)
[21:23] <she_dyed> yw passerine
[21:24] <Guest38808> Is there a way to check how much room I have on my disk?
[21:24] <she_dyed> mani2026: you have a question, just ask
[21:25] <pae> linux-generic-pae - Transitional package. ... I see that package but thats pae, not non-pae
[21:25] <passerine> Guest38808 df (diskfree)
[21:25] <snuggl> Guest38808: df -h
[21:25] <Tronic> Is there an alternative for efibootmgr or a way to make it work with 3.8 kernels yet?
[21:25] <Guest38808> I go to terminal and type in  df -h    ?
[21:26] <snuggl> yeah
[21:26] <snuggl> Guest38808: and to do the opposite you can use "du -hs <directoryname>" to se how much space a directory takes
[21:26] <snuggl> du means Disk Usage
[21:27] <Guest38808> o.k.  thank you
[21:31] <Lukesky> channellist
[21:31] <Lukesky> #channelist
[21:31] <wilee-nilee> !channels
[21:32] <Guest38808> so when I went into df -h to see how much space I have, I'm not quite sure what I should be worried about. What should I look at for space?
[21:33] <wilee-nilee> Tronic, What release are you running?
[21:33] <Bodsda> Guest38808: look at the percentages and concentrate on   /   and   /home
[21:34] <sicarie> Hello all - is this a good place to ask about some dependency/virtual package issues?
[21:34] <Guest38808> don't get you there when you say   / and /home
[21:34] <Bodsda> sicarie: sure, if someone can help they will
[21:34] <Tronic> wilee-nilee: 13.04. There are a bunch of Google hits for this particular problem, all surfaced in this April, with 3.8 kernel, with various different distros.
[21:34] <Bodsda> Guest38808: in the column headed "Mounted on"
[21:34] <Guest38808> o.k.  I'll look
[21:35] <wilee-nilee> Tronic, You want the #ubuntu+1 channel, however kernels that are stock are not really supported in general.
[21:35] <Bodsda> aren't*
[21:35] <wilee-nilee> not stock* Doh
[21:36] <sicarie> Awesome, I have a kickstart server with a 12.04 automated install. I'm looking for the package name to put in the ks.cfg  *or* I'm trying to chase down a dependency tree, my image is mad that i'm trying to install libc6 over libc6-i686 (older version)
[21:36] <Guest38808> If my percentages are all low in d -hs, then everything's cool right?
[21:36] <Bodsda> Guest38808: yep
[21:36] <sicarie> Whoops, was trying to keep it brief forgot to mention I'm trying to install OpenIPMI - apologies
[21:36] <Guest38808> alrighty then  Thanks!
[21:36] <Bodsda> np
[21:39] <HoNgOuRu> hi, I need to format a hd ... but I cannot access to it... it is unaccesible
[21:39] <HoNgOuRu> what tool should I get
[21:39] <HoNgOuRu> ?
[21:40] <slimDeviant> Hi everyone
[21:40] <Bodsda> HoNgOuRu: unaccessible as in locked in a safety deposit box protected by armed guards, or just not mounted rw?
[21:40] <wilee-nilee> HoNgOuRu, where are you trying to access it from and whatis the HD internal or external.
[21:40] <slimDeviant> who
[21:45] <sicarie> Hmm, let me ask something else:   I am unable to find a place where I can download libc6-i686 >= 2.13 (or at all). Is there a good repository I can download this package?
[21:46] <she_dyed> you might have to use the wayback machine
[21:47] <Bodsda> sicarie: raring seems to have a newer version - available just by installing libc6 - http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/libc6
[21:47] <she_dyed> oh libc6 mybad
[21:48] <sicarie> Bodsda: Thanks, but looks suspiciously like the rep I was attempting to use before - give me a minute and I'll validate
[21:48] <Bodsda> sicarie: what was wrong with the last one you used?
[21:49] <sicarie> Bodsda: here's output of my attempt to install another libc6
[21:49] <sicarie>  libc6 conflicts with libc6-i686
[21:49] <sicarie>   libc6-i686 (version 2.11.1-0ubuntu7.8) is present and installed.
[21:49] <Bodsda> oh, snap
[21:50] <Bodsda> sicarie: what version of ubuntu?
[21:50] <sicarie> Bodsda: 12.04
[21:50] <sicarie> Apologies, I'm used to RHEL, I don't know lucid vs precise vs anything else!
[21:52] <Bodsda> sicarie: no worries - but libc6-i686 is a virtual package, that should have installed libc6 2.15 on 12.04 - is this an upgraded system or a clean install?
[21:53] <sicarie> Bodsda: clean install - I just downloaded the 12.04 image a few weeks ago per new requirement. If there's another image I should be using, that's awesome, like I said I'd rather have this taken care of on install (and not use post-install scripts)
[21:54] <Bodsda> sicarie: it appears to be a bug intriduced in between 12.04 and 12.04.1/2  -  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/924499 - it's fixed in Precise, or there is a workaround on that bug link
[21:55] <sicarie> Excellent, thanks Bodsda and ubottu!
[21:56] <Bodsda> sicarie: no problem - personally though, if this is a new build and not yet in use, I would just reinstall using 12.10 instead. But maybe your trying to stick to the LTS - in which case try 12.04.2
[21:57] <sicarie> Bodsda: yes, the requirement currently is 12.04 - I'll make sure it's updated to 12.04.02, and push to get 12.10 :)
[21:58] <Bodsda> sicarie: you say requirement, so I'm guessing this is commercial. If so, stick to 12.04.2
[21:59] <sicarie> Bodsda: Yep, you nailed it. We're doing proof-of-concept right now, so we're in dev and able to make changes, so I GREATLY appreciate the info and recommendation
[21:59] <Guest92250> so I downloaded Ubuntu One on my xubuntu 12.04. Is this only used to sync? I mean, can i put a photo into Ubuntu One and delete it from my computer and use ubuntu one as storage? or is it only used to sync from other computers or aps?
[21:59] <Bodsda> sicarie: ah, in that case yeah stick to the LTS - I've also pm'd you my email address in case I can help in any way
[22:00] <asaun> any Ubuntu users here in Sarnia, Ontario, Canada?
[22:01] <Bodsda> asaun: try #ubuntu-ca
[22:01] <asaun> oops thanks!
[22:01] <Bodsda> np
[22:03] <Bodsda> Guest92250: I can't confirm, but it would be easy to test - sync a folder with two files, then delete one of them - resync and see if it's still there
[22:04] <Guest92250> humm o.k.
[22:06] <Guest92250> so let me get this bodsda, I go into file and sync a folder two different times, then, I delete one, and then I sync it again, right? sorry
[22:07] <tgm4883> Guest92250, if you sync it,then delete it from the computer, it will delete it from the server
[22:07] <Guest92250> oh  o.k. let me try
[22:10] <zorin0s> i need help installing and running this please http://bues.ch/cms/hacking/razercfg.html
[22:11] <Bodsda> zorin0s: the readme seems to have good instructions, whats the problem?
[22:12] <zorin0s> i dont understand it at all
[22:12] <zorin0s> linux noob
[22:12] <d10n> There seems to be some problem with mysql-server. Installing mysql-server prompts for a password and a confirmation, then at "Setting up mysql-server-5.5 (5.5.29-0ubuntu0.12.04.2) ...", I get an error message saying the password couln't be changed and another error: "[ERROR] Unknown/unsupported storage engine: InnoDBstart: Job failed to start"
[22:12] <Bodsda> zorin0s: background info on compiling - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware -- the rest of the instructions are in the readme and look like copy and paste jobs
[22:12] <d10n> This is from a fresh installation of mysql-server
[22:16] <dlam> is there a better way to list all the packages installed on a system than just looking through /var/log/apt/ stuff?
[22:17] <Guest92250> Can you use Ubuntu One as online storage like Flickr or Shutterfly so you can make room on your computer?
[22:17] <Bodsda> dlam: dpkg -l
[22:18] <tgm4883> Guest92250, yes, the website does have an upload button
[22:18] <Guest92250> where?
[22:18] <tgm4883> Guest92250, https://one.ubuntu.com/files/
[22:18] <zorin0s> Bodsda,  CMake Error: The source directory "/home/username" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
[22:18] <dlam> Bodsda: oh wow, thx thx
[22:18] <zorin0s> so the first step error already
[22:19] <Bodsda> zorin0s: you'll need to cd into the directory after you extracted the tarball
[22:19] <Guest92250> so if I upload pics to Ubuntu One, they will still be there when I delete them from my computer?
[22:20] <zorin0s> this isnt easy at all :( i dont understand
[22:20] <opiciak> hello everyone, i added myself to the sudoers file, without ever setting a password (at least i don't remeber), now it asks me for one on each sudo command :f does anyone know how i can remedy this f**kup? thanks.
[22:20] <zorin0s> why couldnt they make it like windows. simple double click and install
[22:21] <Bodsda> opiciak: you can start by omitting certain words from your request
[22:21] <opiciak> sorry
[22:21] <Bodsda> zorin0s: we could be here all night if you want to discuss pro's/con's of windows package installation
[22:21] <Bodsda> opiciak: np - what version of ubuntu?
[22:21] <zorin0s> how do i cd to the directory
[22:22] <Bodsda> zorin0s: at a terminal type    cd <directoryname>
[22:22] <Chosi> http://www.brokenagegame.com/
[22:22] <zorin0s> so cd desktop?
[22:22] <Bodsda> zorin0s: where did you extract the tarball to?
[22:23] <zorin0s> home folder
[22:23] <zorin0s> downloads
[22:23] <opiciak> Bodsda: Ubuntu Server 12.10
[22:23] <opiciak> Bodsda: from AWS
[22:24] <zorin0s> bash: cd: home: No such file or directory
[22:24] <Bodsda> opiciak: unless they provide a default, then you would have set a password at some point - see if this helps http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-forgotten-ubuntu-password-in-2-minutes-or-less/
[22:25] <ekiwok> zorin0s /home
[22:26] <opiciak> Bodsda: thanks, much appreciated
[22:26] <Bodsda> zorin0s: it's probably   cd ~/Downloads/razercfg-0.19
[22:28] <zorin0s> CMake Error: The following variables are used in this project, but they are set to NOTFOUND.
[22:28] <zorin0s> Please set them or make sure they are set and tested correctly in the CMake files:
[22:29] <nrdb> I needed to use manual network configuration.... so removed network-manager .... no on startup I get "waiting for network" ... the /etc/network/interfaces is correct .... how do I get rid of the message?
[22:31] <Bodsda> zorin0s: I need the complete error message - please paste it to paste.ubuntu.com
[22:32] <zorin0s> ok hold on
[22:34] <antonio_> does anyone in here use anymeeting.com for webinars?
[22:34] <antonio_> I can't get it to work
[22:35] <zorin0s> Bodsda,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5714511/
[22:36] <she_dyed> check their requirements antonio_
[22:36] <uvett> Hello, I have a problem with the SearchComplete plugin on Linux.  Instead of completion of search, the tab character is interpreted  literally, as ^I. Vim's own tab completion (e.g., in :he sear<Tab>)  works as expected.
[22:37] <antonio_> she_dyed: its hanging at this screen http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/con_movies/Screenshotfrom2013-04-16123433_zps4be08bdd.png
[22:37] <wilee-nilee> antonio_, hit suppoer-system test.
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> support*
[22:39] <Bodsda> zorin0s: did you try the cmake before installing the dependencies? If so, run   rm CMakeCache.txt && cmake .
[22:40] <zorin0s> what do you mean "try cmake"? i just installed it then ran cmake .
[22:40] <antonio_> wilee-nilee: what?
[22:40] <zacktu> Is there a key combination that produces a shutdown/restart dialog?
[22:41] <Bodsda> zorin0s: just try the command       rm CMakeCache.txt && cmake .
[22:41] <zorin0s> i get the same error
[22:41] <Bodsda> zacktu: http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/sysrq.htm
[22:41] <zorin0s> CMake Error: Internal CMake error, TryCompile configure of cmake failed
[22:41] <zorin0s> -- Looking for libusb.h - not found
[22:42] <Bodsda> zorin0s: try this    sudo apt-get install libusb-1.0-0 libusb-1.0-0-dev libusb-dev && rm CMakeCache.txt && cmake .
[22:43] <pokeswap> Hi, i was wondering, is there a tool that can take ubuntu + other installed software and make it into a live-cd
[22:43] <pokeswap> and, if there isn't such tool, how would i do that
[22:43] <zorin0s> Bodsda, that worked
[22:44] <tgm4883> !remastersys | pokeswap
[22:44] <Bodsda> pokeswap: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=688872
[22:44] <zorin0s> trying to finish the rest of the install now
[22:44] <tgm4883> !info remastersys | pokeswap
[22:44] <tgm4883> seriously
[22:44] <Bodsda> zorin0s: one thing - ignore the sudo -i lines and instead use    sudo make install
[22:44] <tgm4883> pokeswap, http://www.remastersys.com/
[22:45] <zorin0s> done. next step
[22:46] <Bodsda> zorin0s: that's it
[22:46] <zorin0s> ok i will see if it worked. brb
[22:47] <Bodsda> zorin0s: I'm not gonna be about  but others can help if your still having problems
[22:47] <zorin0s> ok tnx for the help
[22:47] <Bodsda> np
[22:53] <antonio_> wilee-nilee: what do you mean by support-system test?
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> antonio_, On you link in support is a system test, it said my precise install was OS not supported, however that is all I did.
[22:57] <antonio_> huh?
[22:57] <antonio_> I still don't see why I can't select the microphone thats seen on this picture
[22:57] <antonio_> http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/con_movies/Screenshotfrom2013-04-16123433_zps4be08bdd.png
[23:04] <chaord> silly question...if i install the latest build of 13.04 and then the final release comes out, will it be relatively easy for me to "upgrade" in a couple weeks without losing any settings, etc?
[23:04] <DJHenjin> Hey guys I have a ubuntu 12.04 server, And it keeps crashing with no known reason
[23:06] <wilee-nilee> chaord, Stay updated and run a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to include all packages and you should be up to date. The #ubuntu+1 is the channel for 13.04 till release as well.
[23:08] <chaord> wilee-nilee: thanks!  and by "stay updated" what should I be doing on a daily basis between now and the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[23:11] <wilee-nilee> chaord, Just the update manager or the terminal can be used in general. Personally I use the dist-upgrade every time I call the repos. The dist-upgrade just makes sure kernels and some other held packages are upgraded, watch for partial releases though in the update manager it is best to let those resolve with the correct dependencies added to the repos.
[23:12] <wilee-nilee> chaord, So if you see a partial and it is not a kernel held then wait till it is resolved, or ask the channel.
[23:13] <wilee-nilee> In other words don't run a partial upgrade
[23:17]  * |nv|s|b|e is not known as |nv|s|b|e 
[23:18] <jujujuju> Hi guys. I upgraded to 12.04 and had a blackout during the second last upgrade step. Had a full disk encraption, no my PW doesnt work anymore, even w/ the modprobe cheat sheet. Is there any chance to knowwheteher i can be successful?
[23:19] <|nv|s|b|e> encraption took its toll
[23:19] <jujujuju> lol enCRAPtion
[23:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Isn't that just the...
[23:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Anyway...
[23:20] <jujujuju> do you think, the upgrade messed up the encryption,|nv|s|b|e
[23:21] <|nv|s|b|e> i think you losing power may have did it
[23:21] <ajcdotme> 13.04 hasn't been tested on a macbook pro, correct? loads of issues.
[23:21] <|nv|s|b|e> dont know
[23:21] <jujujuju> |nv|s|b|e, shouldnt have plugged my vacuum in^^
[23:21] <|nv|s|b|e> lol
[23:21] <|nv|s|b|e> it cleaned your hard drive didnt it
[23:22] <jujujuju> |nv|s|b|e, it sukks, i even put it in in the next room
[23:22] <|nv|s|b|e> ya, sorry to hear that, investing that kind of time to see it ruined sure does
[23:22] <|nv|s|b|e> just wait till tomorrow and start clean
[23:23] <jujujuju> |nv|s|b|e, to avoid blackot, but these to room are connected. no, how can it dellete it? it may have cleaned to boot part, but i do not use it now, im confused, keyboard layouts the same
[23:23] <roseysdaddy> anyone know of a headless rss feed downloader?
[23:24] <|nv|s|b|e> some times they have a mind of their own
[23:24] <jujujuju> do u think there any chance
[23:24] <|nv|s|b|e> i really cant say
[23:24] <jujujuju> do u know how can
[23:25] <jujujuju> Hi guys. I upgraded to 12.04 and had a blackout during the second last upgrade step. Had a full disk encraption, no my PW doesnt work anymore, even w/ the modprobe cheat sheet. Is there any chance to knowwheteher i can be successful?
[23:26] <jujujuju> anyway thx, 2nd try , bye
[23:26] <nibbler_> jujujuju: should be no....
[23:27] <nibbler_> prblem.
[23:27] <nibbler_> with full disk encraption data is always lost :p
[23:33] <ghostconn> i have a evga motherboard with 48gb of ddr3 and my system is only showing 32?? I have a dual boot my windows recognizes it no problem
[23:41] <huhu> im running a live cd. how can i see the sda numbers of my hds?
[23:42] <huhu> you what is sda1 and sda2 how can i find out????
[23:42] <yeats> huhu: 'df -h'
[23:42] <dr_willis> try  sudo blkid  huhu
[23:42] <yeats> or that
[23:44] <dr_willis> !mount
[23:44] <huhu> yeats, dr_willis, thx, any chance hoto see the size of the volume as well?
[23:44] <dr_willis> info in there also
[23:44] <yeats> huhu: 'df -h' should show the sizes
[23:45] <sparkss> ok, im having a major issue that ive researched online and it seems a lot of others have had the same issue, but yet I am banging my head against the wall trying to fix it
[23:45] <huhu> yeats, dr_willis, thx, , can the blkid command show the sizes?
[23:46] <sparkss> i run ubuntu 12.04, but yet I wanted to install a new kernel.. 3.7 to be exact. after I installed, rebooted, I get dropped to a busybox shell with the error ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xx$ does not exist
[23:46] <huhu> yeats, dr_willis, im trying to mount w/ modprobe...
[23:46] <sparkss> I can reboot at this point, and go back to kernel 3.2, but I want/need kernel 3.7 to work
[23:47] <dr_willis> mount command ... mounts.... modprobe command loads modules huhu. so that dosent make a lot of sence
[23:48] <dr_willis> sparkss:  where did this kernel come from?
[23:48] <huhu> dr_willis: thx for your help. can i show you acript that im using?
[23:48] <sparkss> ubuntu.org
[23:48] <sparkss> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[23:49] <sparkss> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.7.10-raring/ to be exact
[23:49] <dr_willis> sparkss:  ive never done a mainline kernel compile. so i would be guessing in that you missed some options that are needed for it to use the uuid type nameing for mointpoints
[23:49] <dr_willis> or missed some options/command to set that part up..
[23:50] <dr_willis> ive not had to mess with the kernel in years. ;)
[23:50] <sparkss> im following the instructions right from the ubuntu page
[23:50] <sparkss> :(
[23:50] <sparkss> dpkg -i *
[23:50] <sparkss> I wgetted the 4 .deb files I required
[23:50] <sparkss> installed no problem
[23:50] <huhu> yeats, dr_willis, here is what im doing:http://pastebin.com/m14btC0B
[23:51] <huhu> yeats, dr_willis, sudo vgscan says ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo vgscan # scan   Reading all physical volumes.  This may take a while...   No volume groups found
[23:51] <dr_willis> huhu:  ive never really messed with lvm or raids.
[23:52] <sparkss> and whats very weird dr_willis I can boot back up in ubuntu 12.04 kernel 3.2 no problem
[23:52] <sparkss> df -h
[23:52] <sparkss> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[23:52] <sparkss> /dev/disk/by-uuid/b3e4d55e-d29a-4007-8238-fb65ac52846a 167G 69G 90G 44% /
[23:52] <sparkss> :/
[23:52] <dr_willis> sparkss:  a dirty 'work around' might be to change the fstabs/options to mount the / by the /dev/sdXX   perhaps..
[23:52] <sparkss> yeah thats what I wanted to avoid
[23:52] <dr_willis> i really  dont know the details of hos the mount uuid stuff works..
[23:52] <sparkss> ill try it now
[23:53] <sparkss> ill have to change that in the menu.1st also right?
[23:53] <sparkss> menu.lst rather
[23:53] <dr_willis> err... menu.lst is like outdated... 2+ yrs ago
[23:53] <she_dyed> if its grub1
[23:53] <sparkss> yeah, I still use it
[23:53] <sparkss> heh
[23:53] <huhu> dr_willis, the pw seemed to work, but how do i know it is really sda3 that i mounted? sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 MYTAG Enter passphrase for /dev/sda3
[23:54] <she_dyed> hardc0r3!
[23:54] <harris> ]is there a way to make libre look like ms office
[23:54] <dr_willis> huhu:  see what mount command sayas
[23:55] <yeats> huhu: why are you doing it that way?  the installer now supports LVM/LUKS
[23:56] <sparkss> ok
[23:56] <sparkss> changed my /etc/fstab and menu.lst to point to a device by /dev/sdXX instead of the UUID
[23:56] <sparkss> lets cross fingers
[23:58] <MestreLion> when I try to open a file that has no app handler, Ubuntu/Nautilus shows me a nice dialog: "Do you want to search for an application to open this file?" - How can I use the same mechanism in my application?
[23:58] <sparkss> nope
[23:58] <sparkss> dropping me back to a shell
[23:58] <sparkss> this is just silly now
[23:58] <sparkss> :(
[23:58] <she_dyed> did you run update-grub?
[23:58] <sparkss> mount: mounting /dev/sdg1 on /root failed: no such device
[23:58] <MestreLion> In other works: how do I invoke that "There is no application installed for ... " programatically?
[23:59] <sparkss> it did that when I installed the kernel
[23:59] <huhu> yeats, dr_willis, thx, appreciate ur help. I messed up the upgrade (lost current). now im trying to rescue the stuff. did it once w/ this sheet, but starngley its not working now!
[23:59] <MestreLion> words*
[23:59] <Random832> MestreLion: try xdg-open?
[23:59] <sparkss> but I manually updated the menu.lst to point to the device
[23:59] <she_dyed> sparkss: but you came from editing menu.lst
[23:59] <sparkss> but now its saying no such device
[23:59] <sparkss> yes
[23:59] <MestreLion> Random832: xdg-open only tries to run installed apps, it does not offer to install such software if not exists