[00:00] cheri, cheri lady [00:00] going through a motion [00:02] where is config file for touchpad? === Guest2396 is now known as xubuntu === xubuntu is now known as _xubuntu_ [00:07] <_xubuntu_> come on guys [00:08] <_xubuntu_> we need one tweak for touch pad [00:08] <_xubuntu_> where is this config [00:11] <_xubuntu_> where is in xfce saved colors for main menu and menu in apps? [00:26] if i download beta2 of 13.04, will it automatically update to the final version of 13.04 once it's released or would i need to reinstall? [00:27] !final | nukke [00:27] nukke: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Raring and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 13.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. [00:27] wonderful. thanks bazhang [01:11] Hi can someone help me install Java 1.7.0_170 for Xubuntu 12.04? [01:12] !java [01:12] To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. [01:13] OpenJDK is much easier, and normally works just fine (there are a few cases where it doesn't.) === benmoose is now known as SonikkuAmerica [01:15] hi, i installed abiword and now xubuntu opens all docs with abiword, i want libreoffice to be the default but when i click on the open with menu in thunar(?) i cant locate libreoffice, where is it ? [01:16] Select "Open With Other Application" and select "LibreOffice Writer" [01:17] SonikkuAmerica, thanks, but i dont have that option,there is only abiword and 'browse' [01:17] itai: When you right-click... [01:17] i cant locate its directory [01:18] It's in /usr/bin/... somewhere [01:18] SonikkuAmerica, usr/bin ok, thanks [01:20] /usr/bin it is! thanks you [02:14] O.K. guys, I just signed up for Ubuntu One to use 5 GB of free space for pics or whatever. [02:14] So, how do I put pics in this space? I don't get it. Sorry [02:16] xubuntu537: You can either upload them to your Ubuntu One folder, or sync an existing folder with Ubuntu One. [02:16] so how do I get an Ubuntu One folder? [02:17] You can either open up your Ubuntu One client or go to one.ubuntu.com and sign in. [02:18] oh, o.k. I'll try that thanks [02:18] You're welcome. [02:24] <_xubuntu_> hi [02:25] o.k. I still don't get Ubuntu One. Is it a place where I can store pics and docs online? It says I can have 5 GB free storage there, but I don't get how it works. [02:26] xubuntu461: It's cloud storage. [02:26] !cloud [02:26] The Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud (UEC), powered by Eucalyptus, is highly configurable and customizable to a variety of environments. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC [02:26] Well, not that cloud... [02:26] so, I get that cloud storage just means it's online storage, right? [02:27] xubuntu461: Through a special server, yes. [02:28] I'm so sorry. Please explain. I'm kinda new at all this. [02:29] So, in windows, I store pics at Shutterfly and Flicr and store docs at Google docs. Is this anything like that/ [02:30] Yes, Ubuntu One is much like Google Drive more than any of the other services you mentioned. [02:30] A better comparison would be Dropbox. [02:31] So, I am signed in and all, but don't know how to work Ubuntu One. It doesn't seem to explain it very good. [02:31] Are you using the Web site or the client? [02:31] cloud storage is basically an online backup for you files [02:31] the website [02:32] what do you mean, "the client"? [02:32] You can get a client for Windows, Mac, Ubuntu, iOS and Android. [02:33] the client is the application you downloaded and installed on your personal pc [02:33] what does "client" mean? I am using xubuntu. [02:33] so if you open up Ubuntu Software Center and download the Ubuntu One client, you can do it directly form your PC without having to use the website [02:33] "client" means application used by the user, more or less [02:34] Does that mean I am storing things online still from the "client"? [02:34] Yes. [02:34] it's a "native application" meaning that it's on your pc instead of something like a server-side application where you use an application that's on a server (or another computer over the internet) [02:34] yes. "cloud" means you're backing up your files online, on ubuntu's servers [02:34] instead of your personal, physical hard drive [02:35] However, you manipulate data that exists in the server, hence the distinction of "client" from "application." [02:35] the advantage it offers is that you can access these backed-up files from any computer that can access either the website or that can install the "cleint" [02:37] O.K. you guys are over my head. I came from using windows and am so new with LInux, Xubuntu, so.... What if i load up some pics from my camera to my computer. I want to put those in the "cloud", Ubuntu One. How do I do that, through the "client" that I download from Ubuntu Software? [02:38] did you ever use a program called Dropbox? [02:38] no,,, sorry [02:38] ah, ok, just checking [02:38] the U1 client tells the cloud to look at and interact with a specific folder on your computer [02:38] when you put things in that folder, they sync automatically to the cloud [02:38] if you change things, the changes sync [02:39] if you delete something, it deletes from the cloud [02:39] if you install the client on another computer, you can choose to have both computers synced to the server, so if you change something on computer 1, it will change on the cloud server and computer 2 [02:39] does that help? [02:39] you can also update your files that are in the "cloud" using the website [02:40] update or access [02:40] true, but the most painless way is to just interact with that folder on your computer, the client just runs in the background [02:40] <_xubuntu_> where can find additional items for panel? [02:40] <_xubuntu_> like weather [02:40] o.k., sooooo I go to Ubuntu Software and download Ubuntu One client, and then I sink a folder, such as "Pictures" with it, and then I can put pics online to Ubuntu One, right? [02:41] yes xubuntu461 [02:41] ok I have to go, I just wanted to pop in and help explain that. they should be able to take you from there. :) good luck [02:41] xubuntu461: Unless you want to float one. :) Yeah, that's the idea. [02:41] Thanks!!!!! [02:41] _xubuntu_, http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/add-new-items [02:42] nukke: I don't think that's an exact match. [02:42] _xubuntu_: Try http://goodies.xfce.org/ [02:42] you are right, thanks [02:43] _xubuntu_: nukke's suggestion is good for adding new items, however. [02:43] <_xubuntu_> nukke, SonikkuAmerica thans for your replies [02:43] O.K. can Xubuntu handle downloading Ubuntu One Client? [02:43] Yeah, I just did it. [02:44] yes, xubuntu461 [02:44] (12.10 32-bit if you're wondering.) [02:44] <_xubuntu_> SonikkuAmerica but i mean others, which are not in this list [02:44] Xubuntu can handle any application/program that works on Ubuntu [02:44] oh thanks! [02:44] actually, any program that you find in the Ubuntu Software Center [02:45] ohh! [02:45] nukke: Is there still that one plugin that lets you put GNOME indicators on the XFCE panel or did that die? [02:45] i don't think they're supporting it anymore [02:45] k [02:46] o.k. I'm going to try downloading Ubuntu One Client from software,,, thanks you all! [02:46] good luck. if you have any more questions make sure to ask here [02:47] I wonder how lightweight XFCE will be when they finally have to port themselves to GTK+ 3. [02:47] Oh,,, one more,, I have Xubuntu 12.04 not 12.10 yet. Will that still work with the software download? [02:47] _xubuntu_: You might try Googling... there are PPAs... [02:47] <_xubuntu_> ok [02:48] xubuntu461: Yes. (12.10 has newer versions of the programs. NOTE: The messaging menu is GONE in 12.10) [02:48] xubuntu461, it depends on the program [02:48] ^ [02:49] programs on Linux have these things called "dependencies". similar to how sometimes you had to install certain Microsoft Visual C++ updates when installing programs in Windows, Linux programs sometimes require certain "dependencies" [02:49] What do you mean, "it depends on the program"? how about ubuntu one? [02:49] Ubuntu One will work perfectly with 12.04 [02:49] O.K.! Thanks cheerio now [02:49] some other programs rely on "dependencies" (or libraries, however you may call them) that have been updated recently [02:50] 12.04 has certain "outdated" (or "stable") versions that *might* cause problems with certain progrmas [02:51] Oh, so I'm still here. O.k. uhhh What does that mean, nukke? [02:53] so let's say that I programmed Notepad using a library that allows me to use a touch screen to manipulate certain things in the program. if you tried to install my version of Notepad in your computer, and you didn't have these libraries that allowed such manipulation, it would cause problems [02:53] Should I not try working with Ubuntu One for Xubuntu 12.04? [02:53] no, Ubuntu One _does_ work in 12.04 [02:53] do not worry about it [02:53] o.k. nukke thank you [02:54] in fact, if a certain program will cause problems on your version, it will say so by giving a warning or outright graying out the install button on the Software Center [02:54] He's gone. [02:54] aww [02:55] He's gone too... :( [02:55] Oh well... [02:59] O.K. I want to use Ubuntu One to store pics for free online. Do I go into Ubuntu Software and download the Ubuntu One thingy? Is that what I do to use the "client" or hook up my pic folder online to store photos? [03:00] I mean, do i download "ubuntu one" to make my computer hook up to my online account at Ubuntu One? [03:01] You don't have to, but if you have the client and run it, it can synchronize without the need to open up the Web site. [03:01] And yes, it is in the Software Center (or Centre, if you're not American) [03:02] I just want to put pics online to my account at ubuntu one that says i have 5 gb of space free to use. [03:05] So, if I download ubuntu one from ubuntu software, it will let me put my pics from my picture folder into it, ubuntu one? [03:05] Without the client: Go to one.ubuntu.com, click the "Files" tab, and click "Upload file." You'll be greeted with a dialog that lets you specify what you want to upload. [03:05] And yes. [03:05] Ohhhhh that makes sence now. o.K. I like that better. thank you [03:06] You're welcome. Enjoy Xubuntu! [03:06] I will and do enjoy Xubuntu! I'm new to it. I fixed an old not working computer with Xubuntu and am so excited with it!! [03:07] I could run Unity but (a) XFCE is more attractive to me and (b) Unity is headed for Qt and I like GTK+ better [03:07] (if that makes any sense) [03:19] o.k. guys, I have weather on my upper panel and on Wed. where I am, I have green dots showing. What does that mean, high pollen count or something? [03:19] I believe that means the weather is loading. [03:20] oh I haven't seen that before.. The other days show a certain percent rain or sun but the green dots I don't know what they are. [03:21] and sonikkuamerica, i was successful using ubuntu one uploading one of my pictures through 'files'. thanks for that info. [03:23] (You're welcome.) Does anything else appear? [03:24] no, Wednesday appears like the others with sun or rain, I forget and temp, but the green spackles of dots hummm [03:25] Couldn't tell ya. [03:25] Maybe it's an invasion of little green men. *shrugs* [03:26] That's funny... green hummm ya we'll have to google it I guess === SonikkuAmerica is now known as TimTaylor === TimTaylor is now known as SonikkuAmerica [04:23] <_xubuntu_> hey [04:24] <_xubuntu_> is it possible to prevent icons arrangement [04:24] <_xubuntu_> on the desktop [04:24] <_xubuntu_> my icons arranged to grid [04:24] <_xubuntu_> like in windows [04:25] <_xubuntu_> how can i prevent [04:25] As far as I can tell, you can move the icons, but not freeform. [04:25] They're stuck in that grid. [04:25] <_xubuntu_> yes [04:25] <_xubuntu_> yes [04:26] <_xubuntu_> is it possible to make grid smaller [04:27] If you can set your screen res smaller, yes... but the icons also get smaller. [04:27] Or larger anyway [04:27] <_xubuntu_> i can't [04:28] <_xubuntu_> only standart res here [04:28] Not that I know if then. [04:28] s/if/of [04:30] Can anyone tell me what tomcat6 is? using htop i can see some kind of java related processes under that name. [04:32] ok so its some kind of web server application? but i dont know why its on my computer [05:07] I just installed the 32 bit version of xubuntu yesterday I want to remove it completely so that I can install ta completely clean 64 bit version so what is the best way to remove it comletely including from the boot loader ? [05:07] *install a [05:07] *completely [05:18] I just installed the 32 bit version of xubuntu yesterday I want to remove it completely so that I can install a completely clean 64 bit version so what is the best way to remove it completely including from the boot loader ? [05:29] Question: If I install the 13.04 beta now, it will roll over into the stable next week no fuss, right? [05:40] SamanthaD: yes [05:42] baizon: much obliged! [05:53] hello... i made a horrible mistake and i just need a bit of info explained to me so i can fix it. I have researched this, but ended up with more questions than answers [05:55] lostxtsol: and the mistake was? [05:56] well, im pretty sure when i added automatic login i also added the line to turn guest off and i fat fingered it wrong and now lightdm fails on load during boot which means i cant get in at all [05:57] i assume to fix it i need to live cd in and edit lightdm.conf... and i assume i need to do somethig with chmod to do that [05:57] but thats last little bit is eluding me [05:57] lostxtsol: You could always log in at the virtual terminal and then type 'startx' and go about fixing the problem [05:58] if I cant the system out of the boot process... would that be via outside access? [05:58] lostxtsol: you dont need a livecd, use this: http://www.cebuntu.com/how-to/how-to-boot-your-ubuntu-desktop-in-terminal-mode/ [05:58] ok! [05:59] doh, duh... gui is not the native boot method duh [05:59] lostxtsol: have you tried ctl-alt-f1 and what have you? [05:59] no... noobing it up here... [06:00] lostxtsol: no worries! [06:03] lets see if this works i just went in in nano and edited it [06:03] the equals sign was missing [06:04] lostxtsol: Good luck! [06:05] hahaha! genius! you guys rock and i appreciate your time. I have some more questions, but i gotta go write this paper... mind if i come back tomorrow? [06:05] lostxtsol: i assume problem solved :) [06:05] lostxtsol: not at all [06:05] yes booted right in! [06:05] thank you and sorry to ask and run [06:08] *waves bye* [06:52] :> [08:34] hi guys ive managed to get xubuntu to work but now after 35 mins of the pc being on the os freezes can someone help me fix this [08:35] antisober552: check dmesg or the messages log for errors [08:35] the other thing you could do is, check your memory [08:36] Hi, does anyone know if it's possible to have a local version of the xubuntu-desktop metapackage that I can modify slightly to remove the dependencies on the software center and oneconf? I never use either and I've noticed that oneconf is a really poor piece of bloat I'd rather not have installed. [08:37] okay i will do [08:42] slackthumbz: well if you remove oneconf the xubuntu-desktop package will be also removed, but not your "desktop" [08:42] so nothing will broke if its that what you mean [08:42] baizon: I'm aware of that, I'd just prefer to keep the metapackage for things like distribution updates [08:42] slackthumbz: a ok, i understand [08:43] for the moment I've chmod a-x'd all of oneconfs binaries and killed the service process [08:43] slackthumbz: yes, i did the same [08:43] but that's only really a temporary solution until the next time the package gets updated [08:44] slackthumbz: you can write a simple script which does it for you [08:44] baizon: I suppose an init script would work, I can stick it in rc2.d [08:45] or this :) [08:45] I'll look into it. Thanks :) [08:46] slackthumbz: np [08:53] Where will i find these logs [08:54] antisober552: open a terminal and type 'dmesg' in it [08:54] Okay [08:54] antisober552: they are also all in the files in /var/log [09:01] Okay could you take a look at this please and tell me if theres any thing which will be causing the system to freeze [09:02] http://Paste.ubuntu.com/5712633 [09:03] i dont think this will give reliable information, check your log while the freeze happens [09:03] @antisober552 [09:04] Idk how i can do that as when it freezes i cant do anythink [09:04] antisober552: check your log after the freeze [09:04] I have a faillog in /var/log [09:04] Okay [09:05] What log will i be looking for after 6he freeze has happend [09:32] hi [09:33] someone here i need help [09:34] !someone | xubuntu842 [09:34] xubuntu842: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [11:28] I need help my pc keeps freezing when in the os and idk how to fix this any idea [11:29] What version of xubuntu. what hardware. what setupid [11:29] setup* [11:29] thats way too vague antisober552 [11:29] bazhang my fren! [11:29] !details | antisober552 [11:29] antisober552: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [11:31] Okay my pc freezes when in the os im running xubuntu 12.04 its happens random [11:32] antisober552, thats just repeating. please give us some error messages, many more details system specs, etc [11:35] It just randomly started? it started after you compiled and installed rootkit.c ? [11:35] are you using a p4 or an i7 :> [11:36] Okay my system specs are 768mb ram a p4 and a ati graphic card i cant remember which one tho [11:36] :> [11:36] I dont get any warning before it happens [11:36] Right after you bootup. after you used it for a while? [11:36] the ram and the cpu would be leading indicators; what exact card and what drivers [11:37] i think RAM is broken [11:37] please make a memtest [11:37] lspci -------> paste.ubuntu.com antisober552 [11:38] Umm it freeze at ramdom i could be using it for 2 hour and nothing then it would happen then it could happen about 20 min after boot up [11:38] Okay [11:38] How would i do that [11:38] open a browser [11:39] im pretty sure its your ram [11:39] go to paste.ubuntu.com [11:39] Okay [11:39] Im at paste.ubuntu.com [11:40] type lspci in the terminal, and copy/paste that to the paste site. save and give us the url [11:40] Okay [11:41] Paste.ubuntu.com/5712907/ [11:42] My card is a readon 9200 graphic card [11:42] ATI RV280 [Radeon 9200] [11:42] how old is this machine [11:43] It was made back in 2004 [11:43] very old [11:43] :> [11:43] Yes [11:43] I have two of them sitting in here :/ [11:43] I would try what baizon suggested, the memtest [11:43] But has this machine has done me well [11:44] Okay how would i do that [11:44] press shift key during boot [11:44] after BIOS screen [11:44] Okay [11:44] should load grub menu [11:44] select memtest [11:44] let it runnnnnnnnn [11:45] packetfrog / antisober552: or this http://askubuntu.com/questions/187573/memtest-with-ubuntu-12-04-live-cd [11:45] or that [11:45] should be in the grub menu though [11:46] Memory test 86+ ot memtest86+vserial console [11:47] Which one [11:48] antisober552: the link i just posted [11:48] antisober552: or this... http://www.memtest.org/ [11:48] Im doing test now [11:49] it needs to go for at least 1 hour [11:50] if you get some red bars its the memory [11:50] I was gunna it looks like its gunna take some time [11:50] Passed 13% so far [11:51] antisober552: this test can go on for a few hours ;) [11:51] ... or not. How much memory do you have? [11:52] 768m [11:52] then it shouldnt take so long :) [11:52] Its on 27% now [12:04] 10 % to go [12:04] * packetfrog claps [12:08] Okay pass complete , no errors, press esc to exit [12:10] Its doing the test again [12:11] antisober552: 30 min to go :> [12:12] ? [12:12] it takes a long time [12:12] it keeps going [12:12] and going [12:12] memtest = energizer bunny clone [12:13] But its running the test over and over [12:14] so it keeps going and going? [12:14] Is anyone running the 13.04 beta? [12:14] slackthumbz, #ubuntu+1 for that [12:14] k [12:14] slackthumbz, I tried [12:15] 32bit and 64bit wont install [12:15] for me [12:15] yesterday anyhow [12:15] I was just wondering how the xubuntu 13.04 beta was going, I refuse to use vanilla ubuntu because unity makes me rage. [12:18] slackthumbz: im running xubuntu 13.04 [12:18] How's the stability? [12:18] @slackthumbz ; thats where u go for xubuntu. [12:18] slackthumbz: perfect [12:18] nice, might set up a test vm and possibly look at running a dist-upgrade :) [12:18] no bugs since Beta2 [12:30] Test 2 pass no errors [12:33] So whats next to do [12:35] antisober552: check your HDD, more here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/104070/what-is-the-best-way-to-check-and-repair-hard-drive-for-bad-sectors [12:35] Okay ill do that [12:37] I run them cmd in terminal ? [12:37] antisober552: yes [12:37] Okay [12:38] Um i have a warning [12:39] If you continue you will cause servere filesystem damage [12:40] Do you really want to continue ? [12:40] antisober552: are you running it from a livecd? [12:40] or your system? [12:40] No system [12:40] run it from a livecd please [12:41] Okay [12:41] antisober552: http://linuxpoison.blogspot.tw/2008/01/howto-check-disk-drive-for-errors-and.html [12:56] hello [12:56] Hiya [12:56] Welcome to #Xubuntu, I will be your guide today. [12:56] Where would you like to go first on your tour? [12:58] is it possible to install xubuntu with less than 1gg on hd ? [12:58] Okay ive tried to run them cmds but got command not found [12:59] kerl: not a default install no. [13:00] kerl: Base install is 1.5GB I believe. [13:00] kerl: Try TinyCore linux. [13:00] Or PuppyLinux [13:00] * packetfrog is using TinyCore right now and enjoying it. [13:01] puppy is kind of cluttered for my tastes. [13:02] kerl, I think Ubuntu server Minimal might be under 1gig also if you had to have *buntu [13:02] kerl, have heard of debian installs being about 400mb if you are quite strict [13:03] I think Ubuntu minimal install then installing very base xfce/browser/blah might work not sure though [13:04] You might be able to save a bit more space by using lxde rather than xfce [13:04] actually I just wanted to try Linux to run a specific program which doesn't work well on my windows installation.. [13:04] Use a virtualmachine! [13:05] download virtualbox on your windows installation and run linux via that [13:05] kerl, what program? [13:05] it's smath which runs with mono, i tried puppy and liked very much but after installing mono i didnt manage to make smath work [13:08] openoffice smath? [13:08] thanks all for your help, is there some windows installer for those distros to make the process from windows? [13:09] no, it is not an openoffice plugin, this is smath's link: [13:09] Place same release of wubi.exe with the xubuntu ISO into the same directory. Remove any Ubuntu CD/USB from the computer. [13:10] wubi = windows ubuntu installer [13:10] http://en.smath.info/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=1447 [13:10] kerl, and note that wubi is being discontinued ... for good reason. [13:11] rebooting your windows pc with a xubuntu usb/cd and installing is super easy you can go with the default options and it runs you right through it. [13:11] Okay it might take some time [13:11] thought of it but dont know how to boot from a usb ^^ [13:12] When your computer starts to turn on it should say hit f2 for bios setup or f12 to change bootorder (or some other f#) [13:12] does (x)ubuntu have a tool that will show leaf packages? ie. packages upon which nothing depends [13:13] just hit f12 or whatever it says for changing boot order then select the USB [13:14] aicasn-V: http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/10/06/clean-up-your-ubuntu-with-deborphan/ [13:15] baizon: reading. thanks :) [13:15] ok thanks but first i have to decide which distro to install, it'b be better to install something with mono by default in order to run smath [13:16] kerl Ubuntu comes with mono I believe [13:18] *buntu [13:18] packetfrog, 12.04 mono is an unknown package [13:18] anyway i'll consider your suggestions: xubuntu 1.5gb, Tynycore linux, ubuntu+deborphan [13:19] cfhowlett, mono-complete [13:19] i think i tried to install ubuntu via wubi but asked for 7gb of hd and i have 4gb left currently [13:20] desktop computer? [13:20] kerl, 7 gigs is overkill. I've got ubuntu studio + extras and my / root is still less than 7 gigs. [13:21] no, it is a laptop with vista and 1gb ram. I had in mind to install some lightweight installation into harddrive [13:22] kerl, lubuntu or xubuntu are your best options [13:22] baizon: nope that's not what i needed. it's useful, sure, but it doesn't show all packages upon which nothing depends. eg. nothing depends upon firefox, thunderbird, monodevelop, etc. [13:22] both are optimized for older/lower spec machines [13:24] i will check out those too, lubuntu and xubuntu, but i'm afraid they man not include mono unless ubuntu [13:25] unlike [13:26] kerl: the difference between ubuntu and *ubuntu is the default desktop environment [13:26] if ubuntu x.y comes with package abc, then xubuntu x.y will, too unless it was part of the DE [13:27] ^ general rule [13:27] kerl TinyCore full version is a 64mb iso and http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono-basic/ has mono packages for it. [13:28] you could install virtualbox on windows and run it as a virtualmachine just fine [13:28] and be in at less then 200mb [13:28] ah ok didnt know i thought they were ubuntu versions with less stuff apart from the desktop managers [13:29] different stuff apart from the desktop managers ... [13:30] ah yes you mentioned virtualbox before, do you mean running Tinycore from virtualbox? [13:31] yes [13:31] or any other distro you want [13:33] but the mono setups you provided are not uptodate as smath requires, maybe some of these ones work with TinyCore [13:35] 2.10.8.1 is available on ubuntu [13:35] 2.10.* is the newest line of mono [13:35] ........................... [13:42] thank you very much! i'll try the virtualbox way with Tinycore first and if it doesnt work, some ubuntu or derivative installed from usb with this application: [13:42] http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ [13:43] I like unetbootin my self [13:44] then i'll try that one ^^ [14:06] hmm, I am no longer keen on xubuntu 13.04 [14:06] I've just looked at what's being added in the 12.10 - 13.04 upgrade and there's tons of gnome bloat. [14:07] Why?! [14:07] Guys the test came back with no bad blocks [14:08] Why on earth would it need gnome-control-center or any of the unity crap? [14:10] slackthumbz, because we are still based on ubuntu, and ubuntu has lots of dependencies toward gnome, even more if we have to ship gtk3, sadly we do have to ship gtk3 [14:11] I went to xubuntu to get away from zeitgeist, unnecessary gnome dependencies and unity. Now I'm very conflicted as to whether I should just not upgrade or find another distro. [14:11] slackthumbz, :( i know, its sad [14:12] Hi grid cube [14:12] maybe it's time I gave Arch atry [14:12] ... :( [14:12] slackthumbz, it all comes down to gtk3 really, you wont be able to scape from it [14:12] hi antisober552 [14:12] what seems to be your problem antisober552 ? [14:13] Umm im able to boot xubuntu but after so long being logged into xubuntu my pc freezes [14:14] GridCube: is it at least [possible to disable zeitgeist and any unity related crap? [14:14] Ive done a memtest and bad block test and come back clear [14:15] slackthumbz, you shouldnt really need it for much slackthumbz, xfce itself hasnt moved to gtk3 yet [14:16] antisober552, i see, its your drive a sata one? its very, but oh so very, usual that the sata cables get corrupted over time and cause reading problems, do you have a spare one to change it? i would first try thatt [14:16]