[00:56] <ScottK> Riddell: I did say that after they approved updating maas based on using code copies for the updates.
[06:31] <soee> good morning
[07:51] <Mamarok> in 13.04 beta 2, if one adds the Oryanos packages in the experimental PPA one has two color mangers in the system settings, the Oryanos one in "Common Appearance and Behavior" and one in "Hardware"
[07:55] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:56] <Mamarok> hi lordievader
[08:00] <lordievader> Hey Mamarok, how are you?
[08:10] <smartboyhw> Hello. Riddell: Any packaging TODO?
[08:10] <Riddell> yo smartboyhw 
[08:10] <Riddell> a couple of things
[08:10] <Riddell> take your pick from homerun
[08:11] <Riddell> and lightdm-kde
[08:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, homerun. Is lightdm-kde fixed?
[08:11] <smartboyhw> And it
[08:11] <Riddell> there's a new version of lightdm-kde
[08:11] <smartboyhw> is kde-telepathy updated/
[08:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, homerun then:)
[08:12] <Riddell> oh hmm
[08:13] <Riddell> there's a ktp 0.6.1
[08:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm what?:P
[08:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep.
[08:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer, Quintasan: what's the crack with that?
[08:16] <shadeslayer> I'm not updating ktp this time :P
[08:17] <shadeslayer> I was working this weekend, so I'm taking a break today :)
[08:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you think it should be done?
[08:17]  * smartboyhw does not want to do more than one package today
[08:17] <shadeslayer> Catching up on Game of Thrones ^_^
[08:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: probably worth SRU'ing
[08:17] <shadeslayer> not worth breaking freeze IMHO
[08:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well I can just do it today if it's needed
[08:18] <Riddell> we're not in freeze for bug fixes if that's what it is
[08:18] <smartboyhw> I can do the lightdm too
[08:18] <shadeslayer> well, yeah, it's a bug fix only release
[08:18] <smartboyhw> But seriously, no ktp:P
[08:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you have magic scripts to do it?
[08:18] <shadeslayer> yep, lemme adjust it a bit and pastebin it
[08:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: note that logger-qt isn't being released
[08:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/726218/
[08:21] <Riddell> logger-qt?  is that a local client version of apachelogger?
[08:21] <shadeslayer> haha
[08:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, please confirm that http://paste.kde.org/726224/ will mean no FFe:P
[08:22] <shadeslayer> tp-logger-qt
[08:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, nice joke
[08:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it won't
[08:23] <shadeslayer> I would have gone with "Is that a cuter version of apachelogger?"
[08:23] <Riddell> :)
[08:23] <Riddell> such a thing is not possible
[08:24] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[08:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm dh_install --list-missing shows all the translation files.
[08:33] <shadeslayer> does it depend on pkg-kde-tools?
[08:34] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no. I just ran it on myself:P
[08:34] <shadeslayer> oh
[08:34] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: the way I understand it is, pkg-kde-tools takes care of translation magic
[08:34] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK then. Let me depend on it:P
[08:34] <shadeslayer> it takes po files and puts them into lang packs automagically
[08:35] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: though apachelogger probably knows the required magic
[08:37] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, hmm it DOES depend on pkg-kde-tools
[08:37] <shadeslayer> then I don't think you have to do anything
[08:37] <shadeslayer> but srsly, ask apachelogger
[08:38] <yofel__> IIRC pkg-kde-tools only handles *our* translations
[08:38] <yofel__> upstream translations need to be in the package
[08:38] <smartboyhw> yofel__: it IS in the package.
[08:38] <shadeslayer> oh
[08:38] <shadeslayer> hmm
[08:38] <shadeslayer> it's all magical to me
[08:39] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel__: 
[08:39] <smartboyhw> http://paste.kde.org/726236/
[08:39] <yofel__> smartboyhw: just ship the translation files. or pastebin the list-missing output for sanity's sake
[08:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: add them to the package
[08:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel__: ^
[08:39] <shadeslayer> what Riddell said
[08:39] <yofel__> ack
[08:39] <Riddell> it /can/ be done through launchpad but no point
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Damn it.
[08:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/homerun_0.2.2-0ubuntu1.dsc and please review.
[08:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: groovy, I need to have a shower first, wouldn't want it getting smelly
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Please do take one:P
[08:51]  * smartboyhw goes to lightdm-kde
[09:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: uploaded
[09:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wait for a few minutes for me to do lightdm-kde
[09:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/lightdm-kde_0.3.2.1-0ubuntu1.dsc + review + sponsor for upload please;)
[09:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: tested it works this time?
[09:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, works
[09:46] <Riddell> yep, works for me too
[09:50] <smartboyhw> homerun built on all archs without FTBFS
[09:52] <Riddell> yay
[10:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: KTp 0.6.1 is out, can you take care of it?
[10:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Riddell said he's on it
[10:03] <Quintasan> I see
[10:03] <shadeslayer> I am doing some visa paperwork :P
[10:08] <Quintasan> Splendid
[10:11] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, ?
[10:19]  * apachelogger cuddles the Riddell
[10:19]  * Riddell giggles
[10:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/l10n ?
[10:21] <apachelogger> iff X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes is not present there should not be po files in list missing as they will not be stripped
[10:22] <apachelogger> that said I am reasonable certain that they never show up in list missing; if they do, something is wrong with the packaging
[11:00] <ovidiu-florin>  I've set up my enviroment like shown in the techbase website on how to compile a single application. I've got kdepim, akonadi, kdepimlibs, kacitivties from git and compiled them. But when I open Kmail I can see that it has the mail accounts from my system kmail. Why? how do I fix this?
[11:01] <ovidiu-florin> the $KDEHOME is set to my dev env
[11:01] <ovidiu-florin> what am I missing?
[11:02] <apachelogger> XDG_DATA_DIRS I think
[11:02] <apachelogger> also #kde-devel is where you want to ask these things
[11:02] <ovidiu-florin> I did
[11:02] <ovidiu-florin> got no help there...
[11:02] <apachelogger> also akonadi is not kde-bound, hence why I suspect XDG stuff is missing
[11:02] <ovidiu-florin> also no help on #kontact
[11:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you test the kcm_locale patch btw?
[11:03] <ovidiu-florin> I've been struggling with this for about a week
[11:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: not yet, not sure what it changes?
[11:04]  * Riddell hmms at bug 1134492
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, please let lightdm-kde through:P
[11:05] <smartboyhw> It's in queue now.
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Hmm that xserver bug :O
[11:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/725600/ line 66 to 103
[11:06] <apachelogger> you don't need to test, though I reckon it would be good if you did ^^
[11:09] <Riddell> incase anyone cares about powerpc:  kubuntu/daily-live: raring-desktop-powerpc.iso oversized by 55304192 bytes (1129046016)
[11:09] <apachelogger> still :O
[11:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, seriously I don't and I would want to see it die:P
[11:10] <Riddell> me too but it lives on!
[11:10] <apachelogger> there is still zenity on the iso
[11:10] <apachelogger> DAFUQ
[11:10] <Riddell> I wonder when we can get rid of i386
[11:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: grr to zenity
[11:10] <apachelogger> eh
[11:10] <smartboyhw> I'm not a Lubuntu-eer, so I don't understand what's the point of supporting old hardware when technology is continuously evoloving
[11:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: it appears oversized because it is from apr 3
[11:10] <smartboyhw> *evoling
[11:10] <smartboyhw> Damn
[11:10] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, :O
[11:11] <apachelogger> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-i386.manifest <- no zenity
[11:11] <apachelogger> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-powerpc.manifest <- zenity
[11:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I wonder when we can get rid of amd64:P
[11:11] <apachelogger> powerpc has not been built in ages it appears
[11:11] <apachelogger> or failed autoqa or something
[11:11] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, build failures? 
[11:11] <apachelogger> dunno
[11:11] <apachelogger> I do not care
[11:12]  * smartboyhw doesn't either.
[11:12] <apachelogger> I said it before and I will say it again... if no one cares for powerpc it will be set on fire
[11:12] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I rather want the Kubuntu PowerPC ISO removed NOW:P
[11:13] <apachelogger> and not noticing that it was not built for half a month sounds rather no-one-careish
[11:13] <smartboyhw> It saves us manpower:P
[11:13] <yofel__> that image is even less maintained than our alternate images were.....
[11:13] <smartboyhw> yofel__: :P
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can you ask for what happened to PowerPC in #ubuntu-release please?
[11:14] <smartboyhw> For interestness sake
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:17] <yofel__> ovidiu-florin: if it helps you: the 2 environment files in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/project-neon-runtime/files/head:/opt/project-neon/share/project-neon/ show what's set for project-neon
[11:17] <yofel__> just adjusting the folder paths should work for you
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, apachelogger yofel__: Should I officially propose to the Kubuntu Development Mailing List that we should just get rid of PowerPC (once and for all)?
[11:19] <Riddell> it's been proposed plenty of times and every time someone says it should be kept incase anyone wants to test it
[11:22] <Tm_T> after failing to get charger fixed I'm ok dropping powerpc image simply because we don't have testers for it
[11:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :O if someone wants to test it, please install Lubuntu (seriously, PowerPC will just be our blocking stone)
[11:23] <smartboyhw> I never thought I would say that, but it does not have a good manpower-to-value ratio 
[11:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: Tm_T seems to have a good reason
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, +1
[11:23] <yofel__> shadeslayer: btw. the upgrades mostly work now: http://kyofel2.dyndns.org/upgrade6/ - but I don't get how to debug that stupid failure on i386
[11:23] <Tm_T> if we had people testing it I would rather keep it but yeah
[11:23] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:24] <Tm_T> so, does this mean no powerpc packages at all for KDE?
[11:24] <shadeslayer> there are packages
[11:24] <shadeslayer> but the ISO is a different beast
[11:24] <Tm_T> roger
[11:25] <shadeslayer> I believe the powerpc machines can't boot usb drives
[11:25] <Tm_T> so no real change for user POV
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, yep.
[11:25] <shadeslayer> I'd rather have a very small net install ISO for powerpc
[11:25] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: atleast not those I've seen
[11:25] <smartboyhw> The problem is that the Ubuntu Technical Board can't force to remove PowerPC in at least 3 years
[11:26] <smartboyhw> The Lubuntu guys will rather quit than not supporting PowerPC...
[11:26] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: which is fine if they're up to a task
[11:26] <shadeslayer> yofel__: you haven't violated the BuyVM TOS yet? :P
[11:26] <shadeslayer> I was readin their TOS, they're quite strict
[11:26] <shadeslayer> *Reading
[11:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, +1 on the Net ISO
[11:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think it would be a better idea if you could propose a Kubuntu Council vote on kubuntu-devel mailing lsit
[11:31] <smartboyhw> s/lsit/list/
[11:31] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Riddell, I think it would be a better idea if you could propose a Kubuntu Council vote on kubuntu-devel mailing list"
[11:31] <yofel__> shadeslayer: haven't gotten a ticket yet ^^ - and it's not like I can actually *measure* how much I affect other systems. The upgrades don't have a constant resources usage anyway, so it should be fine I think
[11:31] <yofel__> *resource
[11:31] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[11:32] <shadeslayer> they actually monitor your swap usage I think
[11:32] <shadeslayer> I have 500 MB's which has been fine so far
[11:33] <yofel__> why would swap matter o.O?
[11:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: package update for runtime ready just waiting for you :P
[11:33] <shadeslayer> yofel__: http://wiki.buyvm.net/doku.php/kvm
[11:33] <shadeslayer> "Please set reasonable Pagefile/Swap sizes as excessive IO caused by abusing these will result in suspension, repeated abuse will result in termination without credit nor refund."
[11:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: anything exciting?
[11:34]  * smartboyhw has been waiting for Riddell to ACK lightdm
[11:34] <yofel__> shadeslayer: IOP measurement makes sense, anything else, not much
[11:34] <Riddell> smartboyhw: shrug, we can keep our current policy of not releasing it if it doesn't get testers and that'll happen automatically
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, we didn't test?:P
[11:35] <smartboyhw> I thought you and me did.
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, or do you mean PowerPC?
[11:35]  * smartboyhw faints
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh well OK
[11:35]  * shadeslayer gives smartboyhw some Irn Bru
[11:36]  * smartboyhw doesn't hope there will be testers for PowerPC:P
[11:36] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no need thanks:)
[11:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes powerpc
[11:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well O.K. then
[11:40] <yofel__> shadeslayer: I need to change something in the script anyway. Only running cleanup() after everything finishes doesn't scale
[11:40] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[11:41] <shadeslayer> we should get stgraber to merge the changes back into upstream
[11:43] <yofel__> yeah, need to talk to him about tmpfs too. Does that work correctly for you?
[11:43] <yofel__> here it's not freeing memory
[11:45] <shadeslayer> I tried it a couple of times, seemed to work
[11:46] <apachelogger> yofel__: all your memory are belong to us?
[11:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[11:49] <yofel__> apachelogger: me running OOM won't help you much :P
[11:49] <yofel__> shadeslayer: I don't get what's wrong, tmpfs itself works fine, but tmpfs+overlayfs+lxc doesn't
[11:49] <apachelogger> that's you think...
[11:49] <apachelogger> oh there is a buggy in the kcm codez
[11:49] <apachelogger> hooray
[11:49] <apachelogger> -.-
[11:50] <shadeslayer> yofel__: heh
[12:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: what needs done with kde-runtime?
[12:04] <Riddell> just testing the patch?
[12:04] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:05] <apachelogger> known issue: if you set a language and then remove it again (i.e. empty selection) you get a broken LANGUAGE, already fixed localy
[12:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: kscreen with all translations arriving in queue soon
[12:06] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, it arrived:P
[12:07] <apachelogger> fast daemons today
[12:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[12:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you ontop of the muon l10n mess?
[12:07] <apachelogger> any plans on how to fix it for raring?
[12:08] <JontheEchidna> so basically Messages.sh just needs fixing, yes?
[12:08] <apachelogger> I think
[12:08] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/5olZz0DJ
[12:09] <apachelogger> list of all stuff I noticed
[12:09] <apachelogger> most of which should be from libmuonapt not being covered at all
[12:09] <JontheEchidna> I'm not sure why libmuonapt is broken though :s
[12:09] <apachelogger> it's not in messages.sh at all
[12:10] <JontheEchidna> ah, there's only an extractrc call
[12:10] <JontheEchidna> dang
[12:10] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: perhaps creatina messages.sh for each component would make these things easier to notice?
[12:11] <apachelogger> though you'd still need to actually look at it, so :P
[12:11] <apachelogger> FWIW ... simply getting the xx psuedo-translation and doing a pre-release QA with it should prevent 99% of all l10n issues
[12:12] <apachelogger> that applies to all and every broken app in raring
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: awooga! how did you do that?
[12:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: kscreen?
[12:17] <Riddell> yeah
[12:17] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/726464/
[12:17] <apachelogger> releaseme for world domination
[12:18] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, lOL
[12:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: that your releaseme script?
[12:18] <apachelogger> created a new tar, copied po to old tar, dpkg-source --commit, done :)
[12:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah
[12:18] <Riddell> nice
[12:31] <apachelogger> !find im-config.mo raring
[12:31]  * apachelogger blinks
[12:32] <apachelogger> ubottu: are you drunk?
[12:32] <apachelogger> ...
[12:32] <apachelogger> anyone got a raring ubuntu install at hand?
[12:33] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:34] <soee> apachelogger, im working on it right now
[12:34] <apachelogger> soee: please run dpkg -S im-config.mo
[12:35] <apachelogger> and paste the output
[12:35] <soee> apachelogger, dpkg-query: nie znaleziono ścieżki pasującej do wzorca *im-config.mo*
[12:36] <soee> path matching pattern not found
[12:36] <apachelogger> meh
[12:36] <apachelogger> oh
[12:36] <apachelogger> soee: is the system localized?
[12:36] <apachelogger> i.e. not english
[12:36] <soee> not sure :)
[12:36] <apachelogger> well does unity speak polish or english? :P
[12:36] <soee> apachelogger, well yes apps are localized
[12:37] <soee> PL
[12:37] <apachelogger> ok thanks
[12:37] <apachelogger> I guess im-config's translations is really in no languagepack then :S
[12:38] <soee> one moment
[12:39] <soee> i addded Polsih to prefered languages
[12:39] <soee> but the same result as before
[12:39] <apachelogger> that's a good thing... means we did not screw up ^^
[12:42] <apachelogger> hah
[12:42] <apachelogger> I think this im-config package has broken l10n
[12:42] <apachelogger> or at least it does not strip the desktop file
[12:42] <apachelogger> which probably is a sign of that
[13:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: kubuntu l10n should be sorted now, there is a bug with pot-package mapping that makes the export tool ignore universe packages unless manually mapped
[13:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: so answer is to ping pitti when we want one added?
[13:08] <apachelogger> pitti added mappings now so they should be in the next batch export
[13:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah
[13:08] <Riddell> lovely thanks
[13:08] <apachelogger> I added a note about it to the wiki
[13:08]  * Riddell compiling kde-runtime
[13:08] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/l10n
[13:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok how do I test this kcmlocale patch?
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: set language via kcm confirm that ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh has sane contents
[13:22] <apachelogger> alternatively log out and log in, confirm that kdesudo software-properties-kde is localized
[13:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep seems to work
[13:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, uploading
[13:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: runtime and workspace heading towards the queue
[13:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's in workspace?
[13:43] <apachelogger> patched away kde-default.png showing up in the dialog and moved stripes.png to kdm package (where it belongs)
[13:44] <Riddell> oh cool
[13:44] <Riddell> I think the download new wallpapers button needs to be more prominent
[13:44] <Riddell> just from that video review where the person said there weren't many wallpapers
[13:44] <Riddell> random thought
[13:45] <apachelogger> I'd be more interested in whether we can have it localized in raring ^^
[13:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: how much more prominent could it be
[13:45] <apachelogger> short of embedding fake items in the model that will upon selection download on-the-fly
[13:46]  * smartboyhw really hates powerpc
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: last wallpaper option should be the "download more" button I think
[13:47] <apachelogger> hm
[13:47] <apachelogger> same thing except not as fancy :P
[13:47] <apachelogger> rectangle or wallpaper icon with centered plus overlay
[13:48] <apachelogger> could look nice I guess
[13:48] <apachelogger> oh actually it needs to be a star
[13:48] <apachelogger> -.-
[13:51] <apachelogger> well
[13:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: only colord is missing for l10n it seems
[13:52] <apachelogger> and ktp
[13:52] <apachelogger> the issue presented on the card is not fixed in the upload, but another one ^^
[13:53] <apachelogger> im-config and disk-creator should get fixed in the next langpack upload (or so I hope)
[13:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh what's up with ktp?
[13:54] <apachelogger> ksplash needs addressing upstream and I am not sure that is going to happen until workspace5
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: see screenshot
[13:54] <apachelogger> in the contacts list app the states are not localized because the internals libs does not load its own catalog
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you trying to land ktp 0.6.1 before release?
[13:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: 0.6.1 is in
[13:55] <apachelogger> oh
[13:55] <apachelogger> oh :O
[13:56] <Riddell> oh?
[13:57] <apachelogger> need to test :P
[13:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: when did it land?
[13:57] <Quintasan> Did I hear testing?
[13:57]  * Quintasan boots his pc
[13:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so there is this qapt dialog you get when running software-properties and it wants to refresh the cache
[13:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: this morning?
[13:57] <apachelogger> cool
[13:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and when showing the details it says remaining time
[13:58] <apachelogger> and that is 15 and then it countts down to 0, and then it is unkown, and then it is 15 again counting down to 0....
[13:59] <apachelogger> so here's my view on time estimates: either you make a good estimate or you should make any... -.-
[13:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: not yet in repos it seems
[14:00] <apachelogger> homerun arrived though \o/
[14:01] <apachelogger> lol, not any more translated than before ^^
[14:08] <apachelogger> hm
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: please reject runtime
[14:09] <apachelogger> on my other VM setlocale.sh only manages to set LANGUAGE with export
[14:09] <apachelogger> LANG works for some reason
[14:09] <apachelogger> so I guess we should simply use export to be extra safe
[14:11] <Riddell> rejected
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: fixed version uploaded
[14:26] <xnox> ScottK: reading/searching for previous Qt5 plans from riverbanksoftware the drift I perceived is "yeah we are working on it behind the closed doors, but nobody paid us enough yet for a swift full/proper PyQt5"
[14:26] <Riddell> Darkwing: so any ideas how to get translations into the docs?
[14:26] <Riddell> "we" isn't quite the right term for riverbanksoftware, it's a one man operation
[14:51] <shadeslayer> hurrah, I figured out how to use errors.ubuntu.com
[14:51] <shadeslayer> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?user=kubuntu-bugs&period=month
[14:52] <shadeslayer> pretty graphs
[14:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: Do you know how make KMail send mails from @kubuntu.org?
[15:27] <davmor2> Quintasan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail
[15:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you setup another identity I think
[15:29] <shadeslayer> the alias thingy doesn't quite work
[15:54] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[15:58] <Riddell> ug, I do dislike docs and translations
[15:58] <smartboyhw_> lol
[16:19] <Riddell> yep, our docs translations are screwed
[16:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell: That's not good
[16:20] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: ^
[16:33] <Riddell> jr@gallus:~⚡cat ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh 
[16:33] <Riddell> LANG=fr_GB.ISO-8859-1
[16:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: fr_GB?  is that supposed to happen?
[16:52] <debfx> does anyone object to adding this patch to kmix? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313579#c10
[16:53] <debfx> currently the volume changes by 15% when you scroll on the kmix icon
[17:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[17:30] <Mamarok> debfx: +1 from me, the current step is just stupid, everybody is complaining about
[17:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, the encoding is crap though
[17:33] <apachelogger> how did you do that?
[17:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's the content of LANGUAGE 
[17:49] <apachelogger> debfx: I'd ask why it was not backported
[18:59] <soee> hi, anybody here, i have urgent question
[19:02] <soee> apachelogger, maybe you ?
[19:07] <shadeslayer> soee: just ask :-) 
[19:08] <soee> shadeslayer, yesterday i think i wrote about my problems with latest nvidia drivers, the problem was more complex, a lot of packages was missing, kwin, workspace, etc oO
[19:08] <soee> what do i have to install to be sure full kde desktop is here ?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-desktop
[19:10] <soee> also what can be the reason i can install any nvidia drivers ?
[19:13] <soee> if i add edgers ppa
[19:13] <soee> and try to install nvidia-current it will instal 304
[19:14] <yofel> the edgers ppa itself? that thing isn't supported in any way
[19:14]  * yofel uses nvidia-310, works fine
[19:14] <soee> :<
[19:15] <soee> brb reboot i hope i can boot again
[19:36] <soee> ok i think i fixed all now :/
[21:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: jr@gallus:~⚡cat .kde/env/setlocale.sh 
[21:47] <Riddell> LANG=fr_GB.ISO-8859-1
[21:47] <Riddell> LANGUAGE=fr:es:en_US:en
[21:49] <Riddell> https://plus.google.com/105682810766335536482/posts/Qb4JxkieNHQ  "100 things that are great about Kubuntu?"
[22:04] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/04/17/100-things-are-great-about-kubuntu
[22:51] <ScottK> Quintasan: as shadeslayer says.
[22:51] <ScottK> xnox: OK.
[22:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, that may be the export issue then
[22:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: add exports and change the encoding to UTF-8
[22:53] <apachelogger> then try to change the language again
[22:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: sorry what?  add where?
[23:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: in setlocale.sh prepend each line with export
[23:17] <apachelogger> and change ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8
[23:17] <apachelogger> then logout and back in again
[23:17] <apachelogger> then make spanish your top language choice and check that the encoding is still UTF-8
[23:19] <apachelogger> and about the fr_GB, while that does not exist it reflects what you selected, country GB and language fr, if you choose country France you'll get fr_FR
[23:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is exactly the issue I faced in my VM ... without export the LANGUAGE variable would be left empty and then stuff falls over and things the encoding is ISO8859 and that in turn causes encoding problems
[23:22] <apachelogger> e.g. I am reasonable certain if you run apt with your present envrionment you'll get illformed accented characters
[23:29] <Riddell> yes I do
[23:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: but shouldn't it not be possible to end up with ISO-8859-1 and fr_GB?
[23:33] <apachelogger> not with LANGUAGE is broken
[23:33] <apachelogger> problem is LANGUAGE=\0
[23:34] <apachelogger> so KDE and a whole bunch of other things get confused and think the encoding is ISO8859
[23:34] <apachelogger> and fr_GB you can argue about
[23:35] <apachelogger> it is what you configured, yet it makes no sense so everything will default to fr_FR anyway
[23:35] <Riddell> oh I see
[23:36] <apachelogger> point being matching KDE locale to Linux locale is almost impossible
[23:36] <apachelogger> so the best thing one can do is check does fr_GB exist and if not fiddle it to something else
[23:36] <Riddell> I'm not convinced I did configure fr_GB, there's no such thing as a british dialect of french
[23:36] <apachelogger> though that requires excessive xml parsing and crap ^^
[23:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: you country in the kcm is GB
[23:37] <apachelogger> first tab
[23:37] <apachelogger> that's where that comes from
[23:38] <apachelogger> FWIW ultimately we'd also set a bunch of other variables for numeric format and whatnot but there the mapping from what KDE supports and what Linux supports is even more impossible
[23:40] <apachelogger> http://community.kde.org/KDE_Core/ISO_Codes outlines pretty much all the differences