[00:52] <kiwitinker> i am running lubuntu from a flash drive like a live cd, how do i get it to remember changes between reboots?
[01:22] <Mkop1> for some reason when I open links from xchat, they open in chrome, despite the fact that I have firefox set as the default browser. I wonder if there's a default applications setting somewhere that I'm missing
[01:55] <kiwitinker> can anyone help with my problem of getting persistence to work with usb flash lubuntu?
[01:55] <wxl> kiwitinker: like with a live usb?
[01:55] <kiwitinker> yes
[01:55] <wxl> have you tried and failed?
[01:55] <kiwitinker> I have done everything but it has simply not worked
[01:55] <wxl> ok
[01:56] <wxl> so i just did this today
[01:56] <wxl> unetbootin was the only thing i've gotten reliable results from
[01:56] <kiwitinker> the thing is I don't seem to be able to find out exactly how it does this, is the persistence suppose to be on another partition?
[01:56] <kiwitinker> ok, that's not what i used
[01:58] <kiwitinker> you used that for lubuntu?
[01:58] <wxl> kiwitinker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence explains how to set it up in exquisite detail but i wouldn't recommend following that per se
[01:58] <wxl> kiwitinker: yeah, i downloaded the latest daily, pointed unetbootin at it, added persistence and let it go
[01:59] <wxl> kiwitinker: my bios is funky and forgets nearly every boot that i want it to boot the usb (under hard drive) above the hdd itself
[01:59] <wxl> kiwitinker: it's also a little slow booting but it works
[02:00] <wxl> kiwitinker: unetbootin has one failure: it will let you allocate more persistence than you should be able to
[02:00] <kiwitinker> I assume persistence is also where any files you download once running lubuntu will be stored?
[02:01] <wxl> i think so yep
[02:04] <kiwitinker> I wish the webpages on this actually explained what it does exactly and how it is basically organized, I find it hard without knowing what I'm dealing with in an overall sense
[02:05] <kiwitinker> there are tons of programs for doing this so thanks for pointing one out that you know has worked for you at least
[02:06] <wxl> basically you make a loopback in /casper-rw kiwitinker which is documented in that page
[02:07] <kiwitinker> thanks, will get to it now
[02:09] <kiwitinker> oh wait, could you by any chance check to see what partitions you have on the flash drive by going to gparted?
[02:09] <kiwitinker> wxl
[02:10] <wxl> kiwitinker: not presently. it's in use
[02:11] <kiwitinker> you can still look at it in gparted
[02:11] <wxl> not really
[02:11] <kiwitinker> mine has just 1 partition
[02:12] <kiwitinker> not really what, don't understand what you are saying, are you just saying you don't want to do it or that it can't be done
[02:12] <wxl> i don't think it sees the file system the same way when you're in it
[02:12] <kiwitinker> seems to work fine for me
[02:13] <kiwitinker> you can even change the partition size while running from it
[02:14] <wxl> yeah it says i only have one then
[02:14] <kiwitinker> in gparted?
[02:14] <wxl> in parted yes
[02:15] <kiwitinker> thanks
[02:15] <wxl> of course i know if i look at it unmounted there's a casper-rw file
[02:15] <wxl> and there's not here
[04:02] <kiwitinker> running livecd version via usb flash and persistent, problem is i just downloaded a very big file and got the wrong one by mistake, I chose to delete it but when i goto trash can there is nothing there?
[04:03] <holstein> you wanted to delete it, correct?
[04:03] <kiwitinker> yes
[04:04] <holstein> i mean, i wouldnt expect full desktop functionality from a live CD.. i usually just do a normal installation to the USB stick..
[04:04] <holstein> is the question, "where is the file i deleted? its not in the trash?" ?
[04:04] <kiwitinker> i chose delete and it said it sent to trash can but then I goto trash can and there is nothing there
[04:05] <holstein> kiwitinker: so, what is the question?
[04:05] <kiwitinker> free space indicated shows the file is still taking up space somewhere
[04:05] <kiwitinker> it has not been deleted, i want to delete it to free up space
[04:06] <holstein> kiwitinker: try removing it via the command line
[04:06] <kiwitinker> I'm a baby in linux, command line is beyond me
[04:07] <holstein> kiwitinker: what would you like to do?
[04:07] <kiwitinker> don't tempt me, Im feeling very frustrated with linux
[04:09] <holstein> im not following you... or trying to temp you.. would you like to try a few ideas? such as removing via the command line? or wait for another volunteer?
[04:09] <kiwitinker> I'm about to give up on it again, I come back for punishment every couple of years and always have the same wild goose chase trying different distros and things just never working as advertised. I have been told to goto full install in the past only to find i have exactly the same problem
[04:10] <kiwitinker> thanks for trying but I'm too fed up with this at the moment
[04:10] <holstein> kiwitinker: you are *not* trying a distro though.. you are trying a live CD with persistence...
[04:10] <holstein> kiwitinker: i understand, and identify your frustration.. you should see me with a windows install
[04:10] <kiwitinker> I'm not talking about just this, have tried many other versions
[04:10] <holstein> fact is.. windows and linux are *very* capable.. its just a matter of what one is used to
[04:11] <holstein> if you would like help getting used to lubuntu, say the word..
[04:11] <kiwitinker> windows installs just work, if only linux did that I might understand a bit of what I'm doing by now but as i can never get off the start line with a fully working install i never get the chance to learn how it all works
[04:12] <holstein> kiwitinker: as i said... its a matter of what you are used to.. .my linux installs "work" fine.. its my windows installs that are a challenge.. and its my issue
[04:12] <kiwitinker> thanks very much, but you are getting me at the end of a long and fruitless process
[04:12] <holstein> kiwitinker: what would i do? install lubuntu or xubuntu
[04:13] <holstein> kiwitinker: hey.. i literally dont need you to install lubuntu.. if you want to, i will help
[04:13] <kiwitinker> I know, don't get me wrong
[04:13] <holstein> kiwitinker: you are here for a reason.. and if you want to sort things out, we can, but i need to have facts
[04:13] <holstein> i suggest you install.. i also made a suggestion about trying to remove the file via the command line
[04:14] <kiwitinker> I had just hoped for a solution that did not involved a long complicated process with command lines where i have no understanding
[04:14] <holstein> kiwitinker: sure.. that would be, do an actual installation
[04:14] <holstein> kiwitinker: otherwise, im not sure you even have an issue
[04:15] <kiwitinker> I have been down that road before of installing to get around a problem as advised by others only do find it solved nothing
[04:15] <holstein> kiwitinker: cool
[04:15] <holstein> designbybeck: good lucK!
[04:15] <holstein> kiwitinker: ^^
[04:15] <kiwitinker> it may work this time but just can't afford to waste more time going around in circles
[04:15] <kiwitinker> thanks
[04:15] <holstein> kiwitinker: keep in mind, we are all volunteers
[04:15] <kiwitinker> definitely, it's appreciated
[04:15] <holstein> kiwitinker: i "waste" my time here freely
[04:15] <holstein> what do i see? you dont have an isue
[04:16] <holstein> you deleted a file.. its deleted.. you are using a persistence file that neither one of us understands how or why its set up
[04:16] <kiwitinker> problem is i don't have the time to waste at the moment, hence the frustration of not been able to get what i want done in time
[04:16] <holstein> what would i do? a normal install.. i am in one right now.. i delete.. things are deleted
[04:17] <kiwitinker> you would think but i have seen it all before, linux just continues to confound me
[04:17] <holstein> kiwitinker: you say waste time.. i say troubleshoot.. doenst matter, you'll need to come here with a clear idea of what you issue is, and ready to try things
[04:18] <kiwitinker> you are getting me at the end of many, many hours of wild goose chase, sorry about that
[04:18] <holstein> kiwitinker: its just a matter of what you are used to.. it works fine for many.. just keep in mind, there is no "linux" making sure you have a good experience
[04:18] <holstein> theres just you.. and me
[04:18] <kiwitinker> anyhow I have to go, thanks anyhow
[04:18] <holstein> kiwitinker: no worries.. i do proffesional audio production on linux
[04:18] <holstein> that took a lot of troubleshooting.. and trial and error
[04:19] <holstein> months of testing and asking questions...
[04:19] <holstein> all the time, working in windows as well.. til i was ready to make the transition...
[04:20] <holstein> one thing that helped me tremendously.. i installed linux on a laptop... and i used that laptop.. for everything i could. simple things. email, whatever
[04:20] <kiwitinker> I guess if you don't have heaps of time to invest in getting linux going you just can't have linux, that's the lesson i should have learnt and accepted by now
[04:20] <holstein> lol
[04:20] <holstein> kiwitinker: you'll need to invest something, yes
[04:20] <holstein> kiwitinker: its more of a community than a "buy and use" thing
[04:20] <holstein> kiwitinker: if you want "buy and use" linux.. try system76.. they have pre-built machines, and support... work great
[04:21] <holstein> otherwise, you come here, and be ready to troubleshoot
[04:21] <kiwitinker> like i said if I could just get the thing installed and working as advertised i would be quite happy to learn the ropes of using it over a long period of time
[04:21] <holstein> when i say "try this in the command line" you say "ok, how?".. and we go from there
[04:21] <holstein> kiwitinker: download the iso.. start installing and tell me the errors (if you have any)
[04:21] <kiwitinker> I know, it was just like, oh no not again
[04:21] <holstein> kiwitinker: there are no adverisments
[04:22] <holstein> kiwitinker: there are no guarnatees that linux will work on your hardware
[04:22] <kiwitinker> I mean that it works as claimed
[04:22] <holstein> kiwitinker: there are no claims.. nor an entity making claims
[04:23] <kiwitinker> ok, thanks again, see yah
[04:23] <holstein> kiwitinker: there might well be an entity that created your hardware that says "you cant run other operating systems"
[04:23] <holstein> kiwitinker: this might be another argument for you getting a prebuilt system
[04:23] <holstein> or, running away with a questionable attitude again :/
[06:54] <fjodor> hi unity/ubuntu automatically manages external monitors. which daemon/service does this? because lubuntu is pretty annoying regarding managing monitors
[06:55] <kiwitinker1> when you add a package where is it installed to?
[06:58] <fjodor> kiwitinker1: you can look up where the files are if you look at them with synaptic
[07:04] <kiwitinker1> thanks
[08:20] <kiwitinker1> I don't know how to issue a command to start a game in console, I'm in the right directory etc..., I just don't know how you start a command to run. It's a .386 file, I have tried to look for examples elsewhere but it seems something so basic is not thought of to explain
[08:25] <hateball> kiwitinker1: ./file-to-run.whatever
[08:26] <hateball> kiwitinker1: If you are in that current directory
[08:26] <hateball> Otherwise /full/path/to.file works as well
[08:27] <hateball> And the binary needs to be set as executable, "chmod +x file.ext"
[08:27] <kiwitinker1> thanks a lot
[08:27] <kiwitinker1> I was getting no where by myself and google search
[09:09] <kiwitinker1> I need to save an edit to a cfg file but it will not let me save because it is owned by root, how can I get around this?
[09:09] <ElTimo> How do I get the powerline patched fonts to display correctly on a TTY?
[09:10] <kiwitinker1> right clicking on the .cfg file I get the owner and permissions but cannot change any of these
[09:23] <carrera> Greetings!  :)
[15:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Why is Lubuntu 13.04 not even half done? Is the workload too much for the current team?
[15:18] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: ??
[15:19] <SonikkuAmerica> I was looking on status.ubuntu.com and saw that the roadmap is only 36% finished
[15:19] <SonikkuAmerica> for Lubuntu Raring
[15:20] <qubit01> Anyone have a GeForce 650M Graphics card running with  lubuntu ?
[15:21] <SonikkuAmerica> !i
[15:21] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: a lot always gets carried over :) Some of the things for 13.10 are already open for testing :)
[15:22] <SonikkuAmerica> I see. I can't wait to see what's being implemented in 31.04 that was proposed in 13.04 :)
[15:24] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: the whiteboard gets open about one week after release, for approx 2weeks.
[15:25]  * SonikkuAmerica nods
[15:25] <phillw> if the guy with the 650M card re-appears, get him to have a look at http://tech.sixcolumns.com/2012/11/nvidia-310-19-drivers-released-how-to-install-it-in-ubuntu-12-1012-04/ which deems to have a decent background into things.
[15:26] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: you can have a look at the staging area at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/non-official-apps
[18:26] <lalondong> Guys, i'm actually using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS but because it's too slow i'm changing the desktop environment to LXDE...
[18:26] <lalondong> and i can say, this is pretty fast..
[18:27] <SonikkuAmerica> lalondong: 'Tis.
[18:28] <lalondong> How to shortcut in lubuntu
[18:28] <lalondong> is it different from Ubuntu?
[18:28] <SonikkuAmerica> A little bit...
[18:29] <lalondong> what's the difrent?
[18:29] <SonikkuAmerica> You have to manually edit everything or install another window manager
[18:29] <lalondong> what do you mean i have to manually edit everything?
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> For example, there's no GUI for tweaking desktop shortcuts, that's done by hand
[18:30] <lalondong> how to do this?
[18:31] <SonikkuAmerica> You have to create a blank .desktop file and use Leafpad.
[18:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Give it a name, an executable path, and possibly a comment
[18:32] <lalondong> i don't get it.
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> In fact, if I were you, not to play bait-and-switch, but Xubuntu might suit your needs better if you're not up to the challene.
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> *challenge
[18:33] <lalondong> but is it fast enough like this?
[18:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, Xubuntu is a tick slower than Lubuntu but faster than Unity or KDE
[18:34] <SonikkuAmerica> It uses XFCE (half of which LXDE depends on anyway)
[18:34] <lalondong> i have 2 gb ram
[18:34] <lalondong> how much do i need for that?
[18:34] <SonikkuAmerica> 256 MB
[18:35] <lalondong> ahhh, okey
[18:35] <SonikkuAmerica> 512 MB recommended
[18:35] <SonikkuAmerica> 2 GB will be a bullet train. I run it on 3
[18:35] <lalondong> ahh, okey
[18:36] <SonikkuAmerica> I sense a lack of excitement.
[18:36] <lalondong> so like changing the theme for lubuntu, you need to manually change them?
[18:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Actually not themes, Openbox (the backend on which Lubuntu runs) will do that for you.
[18:38] <wxl> careful though, as theming lubuntu is more than just theming openbox. there's gtk, too.
[18:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Right... the GTK+ themes
[18:41] <wxl> so it's really a multistep process, especially when you consider that lxpanel is themed differently, too.
[18:43] <lalondong> how about indicator bar?
[18:43] <wxl> well, lxpanel indicates the time. what else do you want indicated? :)
[18:44] <lalondong> like system process?
[18:44] <wxl> meh typically that thing that everyone uses that i never bother with is preferable
[18:44] <wxl> someone help me out here
[18:44] <wxl> starts with a c
[18:45] <wxl> it's not compiz
[18:45] <wxl> it's
[18:45] <wxl> uhhhhh
[18:45] <wxl> conky!
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> uhhhhh
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> can
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> you
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> not
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> flood
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[18:46] <wxl> no.
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> lol
[18:50] <phillw> lalondong: if you're on 12.04, like a bit more 'eye-candy' then have a look at lxle
[18:50] <phillw> it is available as a meta package yet, so needs a re-install.
[18:51] <wxl> it's going to be?
[18:51] <wxl> wow
[18:51] <SonikkuAmerica> It's also supposed to be treated like an LTS but not officially
[18:51] <SonikkuAmerica> s/is/isn't ?
[18:52] <wxl> pattern not found.
[18:56] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: it is a community re-spin, for further details look at http://www.lxle.net/index.php?x=about
[19:00] <RaphaelBarros> Talking about lxpanel, does anybody here use a image in it, or just the theme color? I'm trying to use a image and, while it works great after I apply it, when I reboot some of the indicators on the panel appear inside a box using the default theme color while the rest use the image for lxpanel.
[19:05] <RaphaelBarros> Hmm, has my post appeared? Or nobody knows about this issue xD?
[19:11] <kingfisher64> could someone advise me on the best solution to get the most out of an older system running lubuntu. I use it as a backup device primarily (instead of using freenas). It's really laggy. There's a huge delay when clicking things. I have 2gb ram and a new hard drive so even though it's a P4 it should be able to cope with opening a web browser.
[19:13] <kingfisher64> maybe I need to install graphics drivers?
[19:13] <cerebrate> sounds like a winner to me
[19:13] <kingfisher64> that's weird I switched themes and it's massively less laggy?
[19:15] <kingfisher64> all I've changed is the colours!
[19:18] <kingfisher64> any performance enhancing tips will be greatly appreciated and used
[19:51] <yo_mama> I just tried lubuntu beta2 and it didn't feel fully cooked
[20:05] <phillw> yo_mama: that is why it called a beta2... the fully cooked version will be the RC (Release Candidtate), which can also have bug fixes applied. Have a try with the Daily (if you have the beta2 on hard drive you can zsync it up).
[21:08] <ElTimo> Has anyone had any luck getting lubuntu to boot on a UEFI system?
[21:10] <phillw> ElTimo: the 64bit installer is the same. So, in theory, it should work.
[21:13] <ElTimo> phillw: Does the liveCD portion not work then?
[21:16] <phillw> ElTimo: there will not be many on lubuntu with UEFI system boards, give me a couple of minutes to check if what I am saying is factually correct....
[21:16] <Unit193> !uefi
[21:19] <yo_mama> god I wish lubuntu would include VLC and XChat
[21:19] <wxl> yo_mama: sudo apt-get install vlc xchat
[21:20] <yo_mama> wxl: I mean included in the .iso
[21:21] <phillw> yo_mama: it exceeds the iso size and the need to keep things slim :)
[21:21] <wxl> there's lots of things it could have or people might thing it should have for their particular preferences but in the end the goal is lightweight and supporting low resource computering, so such packages may not entirely fit this criteria, yo_mama
[21:21] <yo_mama> phillw: forget it I don't buy that!
[21:21] <wxl> yo_mama: honestly we've had arguments about clipboard managers on the list.
[21:22] <wxl> yo_mama: and furthermore whether or not you buy it, it is what it is.
[21:22] <phillw> and secondly, you don't "buy" lubuntu, it's FREE!!!!
[21:23] <wxl> hah
[21:23] <yo_mama> oh that soooo funny phillw
[21:24] <phillw> ElTimo: yup, what unit 193 said applies to lubuntu.
[21:27] <ElTimo> phillw: Alright, I'll give that a shot. Thanks.
[21:29] <phillw> ElTimo: you will most likely find more people using uefi on somewhere like #ubuntu, but if you are trying out 13.04 with it, feel free to drop into #ubuntu-quality and the people there will also be able to help (#ubuntu can get a bit crazy at times).
[21:29] <kingfisher64> can anyone recommend me some performance tweaks graphically speaking or point me to some documentation. I've been researching how to get rid of graphics lag on my machine. It's still really struggling. I put 2gb ram and new hd in. Maybe i'm getting the most out of the machine? Would appreciate some suggestions though.
[21:30] <ElTimo> kingfisher64: What kind of GPU do you have?
[21:30] <kingfisher64> it's a P4!
[21:30] <ElTimo> Oh boy.
[21:30] <kingfisher64> onboard graphics - so that might be the problem!
[21:30] <ElTimo> Yeah, that'll do it.
[21:31] <ElTimo> Although I've had luck using compton without any effects just to smooth things out.
[21:31] <kingfisher64> so i'm not likely to get rid of the video lag. It's jumping every now and then
[21:31] <ElTimo> Yeah, you're kinda stuck with that.
[21:31] <ElTimo> By video do you mean movies running slowly?
[21:32] <kingfisher64> tried running netflix app but fullscreen it's horrific. Also youtube vids. Going to inspect the version of flash i've got for that, but I suspect it's a "lack of graphics card" issue
[21:32] <ElTimo> Yeah, it definitely is.
[21:32] <kingfisher64> i wanted to find out what hardware I have to see if all the drivers are installed correctly.
[21:33] <ElTimo> Try running glxgears then.
[21:34] <Unit193> lspci should show you, and to see drivers you can use -v  You can also grab the video link for youtube and use mplayer, vlc, or something else to play them.
[21:35] <ElTimo> Unit193: Oh cool, I never knew about the -v option.
[21:35] <kingfisher64> unable to locate package ElTimo for flxgears. Do I need to add a repo first?
[21:35] <Unit193> ElTimo: You can add more than one too! ;D
[21:35] <ElTimo> kingfisher64: It's glxgears.
[21:35] <ElTimo> Unit193: Verbositize ALL THE THINGS.
[21:37] <Unit193> (glxgears is in mesa-utils, would guess that's installed.)
[21:37] <ElTimo> Oh, I forgot it's not included by default anymore.
[21:44] <kingfisher64> thanks for the suggestions ElTimo, I think it's a case of finding a old graphics card. Only used system up until now as NAS
[22:26] <yo_mama> a distro without VLC is not a proper distro imho
[23:03] <RaphaelBarros> Hey guys, have any one of you got a black background in the login screen image? I got it after I updated my intel driver through the Intel Linux Driver Installer :/
[23:08] <RaphaelBarros> No one?
[23:08] <cerebrate> uh
[23:08] <cerebrate> maybe you could set it somehow?
[23:08]  * cerebrate ubernoober
[23:09] <RaphaelBarros> It's set to the same file it was before the driver installation.
[23:10] <cerebrate> >:c
[23:10]  * cerebrate angry!
[23:10] <RaphaelBarros> But it still shows a black background during the login screen (I know it's not a big deal, but a problem nonetheless)
[23:10]  * cerebrate not much help but you have condolences from
[23:20] <phillw> RaphaelBarros: which version of ubuntu are you using>?
[23:20] <RaphaelBarros> 12.10
[23:21] <phillw> what intel graphics system do you have?
[23:25] <phillw> RaphaelBarros: it seems you are luck! webup8 did a tutorial on this a couple of weeks ago. Head over to http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/how-to-use-intel-linux-graphics-drivers.html and follow what they say. YES, they are trusted, so do exactly what they tell you after ensuring you get the correct driver.
[23:26] <RaphaelBarros> It's a gma 950 or 945, I'm not sure wich one
[23:27] <RaphaelBarros> And I used a tutorial from webupd8, but the one used to ubuntu
[23:27] <RaphaelBarros> The drivers are working normally, I played some games and things like that, the black background in the login screen is the only problem (until now)
[23:34] <RaphaelBarros> I reinstalled lightdm and lightdm-greeter, I'm going to reboot and check if it fixed it, I'll come back soon.
[23:35] <phillw> RaphaelBarros: we do not know on here all the answers for graphics issues, have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 specifically at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683 they are the best people to help out with graphics issues when they do not work "out of the bos".
[23:35] <phillw> *out of the box*
[23:38] <phillw> I do *love* it when they vanish before you can give them directions...
[23:39] <phillw> Just for the record, for something like gma 950, have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1888642&p=11503588#post11503588
[23:44] <kiwitinker> installed lubuntu 12.04, I am having troubles with power management using Xfce, I have the monitor set to turn off after inactivity but it only works sometimes, most of the time it does not work, any clues anyone?
[23:48] <kiwitinker> can I download and install another power management program?
[23:50] <phillw> kiwitinker: are you using a laptop?
[23:50] <kiwitinker> yes
[23:53] <phillw> it's more likely to be an acpi issue (where the laptop has to 'talk' to the power management system). Have a look on laptop site (give me a minute or two to go find it) and see if your make and model has either a listing or a known problem (with how to fix it).
[23:53] <phillw> while I do that, can you post up the make and model of your laptop
[23:53] <kiwitinker> Dell inspiron 510m
[23:57] <phillw> kiwitinker: get logged onto the guys at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop
[23:59] <kiwitinker> ok