=== ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === oreneeshy_ is now known as oreneeshy === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [16:46] * snwh breaks the silence [16:51] * jedidiah puts it back together again. [16:55] damn [16:59] Lock when idle. Lock on sleep. Sleep locks immediately. [16:59] Sleep when idle. [16:59] This is like "/!\ The display will turn off before the screensaver activates." all over again. [17:06] you forgot sleep on idle [17:06] What's the difference between "sleep on idle" and "Sleep when idle"? :-) [17:08] I was kidding :P [17:11] A shame English doesn't have a common simple word for "inhibit" [17:12] mpt: do you mean suspend or hybernate? big difference between the two inhibit methods on UNIX...... [17:13] xnox, neither [17:13] well [17:13] *sigh* [17:14] xnox, the equivalent of "Lock Screen" [17:15] mpt: on the technical side of things it's actually same as switching to a different user account. Since just like a logged in user it has indicators/launcher/apps/"live wallpaper with information". [17:15] "Shorter times are more secure. Phone won’t lock during calls or video playback.” [17:15] why not. [17:16] xnox, yeah, the equivalent of "Lock Screen", not the equivalent of "Switch User Account…" [17:16] you can totally keep the phone call / video playback active, yet require to unlock after one exits. [17:16] E.g. if you're playing music and you lock the phone, the music should keep playing. [17:16] similarly one shouldn't require to unlock the phone to play public youtube video or to answer a call. [17:16] That's a separate problem. :-) [17:17] thus after exiting the phone call, you may see the lock screen =) [17:17] Yes. [17:17] "during" [17:18] * xnox likes screen turning off during the call though. [17:18] * snwh doesn't like screen *locking* during a call [17:18] Yes, but that isn't the same as locking either... [17:18] and when the screen is off it's hard to tell if it's "locked or off or something else" [17:19] To find out, just take it away from your ear [17:19] presumably the screen turns off during a call due to the proximity sensor [17:19] snwh: sure but turning off screen based on the proximity/ambience sensor during the call saves piles of battery. [17:19] not debating that [17:20] mpt: you clearly don't talk on the phone in nightclubs / at night =) it didn't always work on iPhone 3gs requiring me to press the lock button to "wake it up" [17:20] sometimes i've made a call via the speaker and still used the phone for other things, so the screen isnt off in that case [17:20] snwh: hmm... yeah and not locked either.... [17:20] hmm.... [17:21] it could go off if idle+during call [17:23] should implement a "slam-to-end-call" so you can hang up your phone like the old days –using the proximity/accelerometer– "Smack your phone face-down on the table to end a call." :P [17:23] cause hanging up violently has been lost [17:24] yeah, some phone did go silent if you flip it (accelerometor or something) [17:25] * snwh isn't serious :) [17:25] * xnox is MUAHAHAH [17:25] * xnox off to code that feature [17:25] snwh: the problem with open source is feature creep, but worse off working implementations of feature creep =) [17:26] it wouldn't be a feature that would be popular, as slamming your $600 phone isn't ideal :) [17:26] https://twitter.com/rohdesign/status/324548858430500865 [17:26] that would be hard on the colon [18:02] Just posted "Security & Privacy" wireframes (no spec text yet): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone [18:04] in terms of lock, I've always liked a pattern lock akin to Android [20:00] snwh: used to be useless as it used to auto-unlock upon completing the sequence without requiring one to lift the finger, thus one could brute-force by only trying all the 9 spots combinations sans jumps which was less than 4 digit pin. [20:00] and smudges on the screen give it away even quicker =) [20:01] iphone is more annoying, even with lock it pushes private sms & email on to the lock screen =( [20:04] idealy i'd like to pin protect OTP generator [21:03] xnox, what? the combinations for a non-jump 9 point pattern are far higher than range of possibilities for a 4 digit pin [21:03] well for a lock screen I'm talking, not the sim lock pin [21:32] snwh: i'll have to calculate again..... you are quite right.