[16:46]  * snwh breaks the silence
[16:51]  * jedidiah puts it back together again.
[16:55] <snwh> damn
[16:59] <mpt> Lock when idle. Lock on sleep. Sleep locks immediately.
[16:59] <mpt> Sleep when idle.
[16:59] <mpt> This is like "/!\ The display will turn off before the screensaver activates." all over again.
[17:06] <snwh> you forgot sleep on idle
[17:06] <mpt> What's the difference between "sleep on idle" and "Sleep when idle"? :-)
[17:08] <snwh> I was kidding :P
[17:11] <mpt> A shame English doesn't have a common simple word for "inhibit"
[17:12] <xnox> mpt: do you mean suspend or hybernate? big difference between the two inhibit methods on UNIX......
[17:13] <mpt> xnox, neither
[17:13] <mpt> well
[17:13] <xnox> *sigh*
[17:14] <mpt> xnox, the equivalent of "Lock Screen"
[17:15] <xnox> mpt: on the technical side of things it's actually same as switching to a different user account. Since just like a logged in user it has indicators/launcher/apps/"live wallpaper with information".
[17:15] <mpt> "Shorter times are more secure. Phone won’t lock during calls or video playback.”
[17:15] <xnox> why not.
[17:16] <mpt> xnox, yeah, the equivalent of "Lock Screen", not the equivalent of "Switch User Account…"
[17:16] <xnox> you can totally keep the phone call / video playback active, yet require to unlock after one exits.
[17:16] <mpt> E.g. if you're playing music and you lock the phone, the music should keep playing.
[17:16] <xnox> similarly one shouldn't require to unlock the phone to play public youtube video or to answer a call.
[17:16] <mpt> That's a separate problem. :-)
[17:17] <xnox> thus after exiting the phone call, you may see the lock screen =)
[17:17] <mpt> Yes.
[17:17] <mpt> "during"
[17:18]  * xnox likes screen turning off during the call though.
[17:18]  * snwh doesn't like screen *locking* during a call
[17:18] <mpt> Yes, but that isn't the same as locking either...
[17:18] <xnox> and when the screen is off it's hard to tell if it's "locked or off or something else"
[17:19] <mpt> To find out, just take it away from your ear
[17:19] <snwh> presumably the screen turns off during a call due to the proximity sensor
[17:19] <xnox> snwh: sure but turning off screen based on the proximity/ambience sensor during the call saves piles of battery.
[17:19] <snwh> not debating that
[17:20] <xnox> mpt: you clearly don't talk on the phone in nightclubs / at night =) it didn't always work on iPhone 3gs requiring me to press the lock button to "wake it up"
[17:20] <snwh> sometimes i've made a call via the speaker and still used the phone for other things, so the screen isnt off in that case
[17:20] <xnox> snwh: hmm... yeah and not locked either....
[17:20] <xnox> hmm....
[17:21] <snwh> it could go off if idle+during call
[17:23] <snwh> should implement a "slam-to-end-call" so you can hang up your phone like the old days –using the proximity/accelerometer– "Smack your phone face-down on the table to end a call." :P
[17:23] <snwh> cause hanging up violently has been lost
[17:24] <xnox> yeah, some phone did go silent if you flip it (accelerometor or something)
[17:25]  * snwh isn't serious :)
[17:25]  * xnox is MUAHAHAH
[17:25]  * xnox off to code that feature
[17:25] <xnox> snwh: the problem with open source is feature creep, but worse off working implementations of feature creep =)
[17:26] <snwh> it wouldn't be a feature that would be popular, as slamming your $600 phone isn't ideal :)
[17:26] <mpt> https://twitter.com/rohdesign/status/324548858430500865
[17:26] <snwh> that would be hard on the colon
[18:02] <mpt> Just posted "Security & Privacy" wireframes (no spec text yet): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone
[18:04] <snwh> in terms of lock, I've always liked a pattern lock akin to Android
[20:00] <xnox> snwh: used to be useless as it used to auto-unlock upon completing the sequence without requiring one to lift the finger, thus one could brute-force by only trying all the 9 spots combinations sans jumps which was less than 4 digit pin.
[20:00] <xnox> and smudges on the screen give it away even quicker =)
[20:01] <xnox> iphone is more annoying, even with lock it pushes private sms & email on to the lock screen =(
[20:04] <xnox> idealy i'd like to pin protect OTP generator
[21:03] <snwh> xnox, what? the combinations for a non-jump 9 point pattern are far higher than range of possibilities for a 4 digit pin
[21:03] <snwh> well for a lock screen I'm talking, not the sim lock pin
[21:32] <xnox> snwh: i'll have to calculate again..... you are quite right.