=== thumper is now known as thumper-afk [03:44] Good morning [05:18] hey so I'm having issues seeing local java applets in my web browsers. It says that my security settings don't allow me to see them. How do I fix this? === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:02] aloha [07:02] good morning [07:04] good start to tje day. machine refises to boot up and goes into grub menu [07:10] hmmI seem to have some wrongly spelled quantal packages also causing issue http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5715247/ [07:18] * didrocks jibel merci d'avoir regardé pour le CDU, ça aurait pris à jcollado la matinée pour voir que c'était ça, et pas leur utilisation de cobbler, etc. [07:18] czajkowski: fresh install or upgrade? [07:21] didrocks: been running raring for the last 2 months [07:21] did and update last night and shut down the machine and couldn't boot it up this morning [07:21] czajkowski: did you look at what you upgraded yesterday? [07:21] czajkowski: like apt logs [07:22] didrocks: in theory I did but it was close to 12when I did the update. it'd been working fine and was only a small update :/ [07:22] so cant say what for sure [07:22] sorry [07:23] czajkowski: I guess you tried different kernels? [07:24] I went to the first one down for recovery and was then able to reboot it [07:24] hey desktopers [07:24] hey didrocks czajkowski [07:24] czajkowski: maybe something for #ubuntu-kernel then? [07:24] seb128: ello ello [07:24] salut seb128 [07:24] didrocks: yeah just about to do another reboot here and then join [07:24] other than that I do love raring [07:25] :) [07:25] except that annoying red triangle that appears and tells me I've updates, when I don't [07:25] but it's pretty reponsve and pretty :) [07:25] *responsive [07:25] seb128: how is your cold? [07:26] didrocks, slightly better I think, but always hard to say in the morning, waiting a bit to be sure ;-) [07:26] seb128: take some honey :) [07:26] but I had a good night, went to bed at like 23:45 and slept until 8:40 [07:26] didrocks, yeah :) [07:27] waow, long night :) [07:27] indeed, that was needed to fight the cold it seems [07:28] heh ;) [07:28] didrocks, and you, how are you today? [07:28] seb128: better than UTAH/the datacenter [07:28] seb128: the CDU (switch to reboot the machines) seem to be dead [07:28] seems* [07:28] oh, not cool [07:28] so need to wait for the U.S to wake up? [07:28] so nothing can work until someone is getting in place [07:29] yeah [07:29] but in addition to that, the only guy who can get there is next to where the bombing was [07:29] and apparently, he couldn't drive yesterday [07:29] wouldn't be murphy's law if that was not the case... [07:30] yeah… [07:30] as we are close to finale freeze… [07:30] the universe doesn't want the swirl to turn in the right direction :p [07:30] seb128: didrocks when I start up I'm brought to http://ubuntuone.com/1REKSBU0jU7XITkpfBK0RQ is that a -desktop or a -kernel issue? [07:31] seb128: hehe, it seems so [07:31] czajkowski, option c), -foundation, #ubuntu-devel [07:31] it's a cjwatson type of issue [07:31] ahh good [07:32] he pokes re lp enough it's only fair :) [07:32] also reboot doesn't work :/ [07:32] just hangs [07:32] but you usually get that menu if the previous boot didn't success [07:32] well it hung on restart so had to power it down manually. [07:36] did you try booting an old kernel? [07:36] (sorry just joined in the middle of the discussion) [07:37] 09:23:13 didrocks | czajkowski: I guess you tried different kernels? [07:37] 09:24:09 czajkowski | I went to the first one down for recovery and was then able to reboot it [07:37] seb128: ^ [07:37] czajkowski, ok, so it's normal you get the grub menu [07:37] that's because you had a boot that didn't go through [07:38] it's to help the users who don't know how to display the grub menu [07:38] so talk to -kernel I guess [07:38] seems like a bug in the most recent kernel [07:38] 09:24:36 didrocks | czajkowski: maybe something for #ubuntu-kernel then? [07:38] :p [07:39] coherent speech at least on #ubuntu-desktop! :-) [07:39] * didrocks hugs seb128 [07:39] * czajkowski hugs didrocks and seb128 thanks folks [07:39] yw czajkowski ;) [07:39] * seb128 hugs didrocks czajkowski [07:39] yw! [07:40] with 8 days to go, it'd be nice if it just did waht it was doing all along and just work :) [07:42] czajkowski, when was your previous update/reboot before that one? [07:42] I don't think we got a kernel upload this week [07:42] so that's a bit weird [07:43] seb128: last night was the last round of updates I did and just shut it down as it didnt ask for a reboot and then this morning it went a bit nuts [07:43] but now I know how to get around it and online it's ok [07:45] didrocks: ping [07:45] veebers: pong [07:45] didrocks: hello o/ FYI (i've also emailed you :-) ) there appears to be a recurring issue with Utah that is effecting the daily release jobs (as well as others) [07:46] veebers: hem, see #qa, I've already had a look this morning seeing no email and failing jobs :) [07:46] veebers: the CDU is dead, there was nobody in the US time being able to look at it (from #qa)? [07:46] didrocks: seb128 one final question, any idea why it's pulling in incorrectly named quantal packages, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5715247/ don't mind the book one at the end [07:46] bonjour seb128 [07:46] veebers: as it seems we are now bound to wait something in lexigton to wake up [07:46] didrocks: oh d'oh my bad, I didn't see that. [07:47] As noted in the bug we've observed the install working as expected (including the reboot) but still get this error reported back. [07:47] oh? really? [07:47] not what jibel saw ^ [07:47] jibel: bug #1169851 [07:47] Launchpad bug 1169851 in UTAH "Timeout for System Started " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1169851 [07:47] pitti, salut, ca va ? [07:48] seb128: ça va bien ! mieux que NetworkManager :) [07:48] czajkowski, grep thebookofgimp /etc/apt/* -r ? [07:48] didrocks: That was yesterday when thomi experienced the same/similar bug. So that might not be 99% accurate now [07:48] pitti, tu as cassé network-manager? [07:48] seb128: the book is just one of the commercial apps I test that I've had a refund on [07:48] hmm, looks like my internet is lagging too :-P [07:48] seb128: oui, avec des nouvelles tests :) [07:49] didrocks, hey [07:49] czajkowski, well, it seems like the repository for it changed or something [07:49] veebers: maybe it was once, as jean-bapstiste did retry manually to reboot [07:49] hey robru! [07:49] veebers: didrocks, it still happened, as of a few hours ago [07:49] seb128: (nouveaux?) [07:49] pitti, nouveaux [07:49] un test [07:49] alors masculine [07:49] oui ;-) [07:49] didrocks, I should inform you, I am off friday for a wedding (and also leaving early thursday). so wednesday is my only day to get some autolanding stuff done [07:49] thomi: ah, you'll see that I fired off and email except didrocks was already onto it [07:49] didrocks, but I'm really struggling with it :-/ [07:49] veebers, morning, that's the problem with the CDU [07:49] cool [07:50] sounds like I owe didrocks a beer :) [07:50] thomi: not fixed, and direct the beer to jibel :) [07:50] robru: oh? did you try to ask other for helps? Especially upstream as they know qml… [07:50] jibel: ah ok. I'll alter the bug and mark it as invalid. Sorry for the extra email :-\ [07:50] robru: if you are just waiting for me, yeah, loosing a day everytime to force and back, not handy… [07:50] veebers, UTAH times out because fence_cdu failed to contact the power device [07:51] jibel: ah I see. makes sense [07:51] robru: so you should investigate and try to look at what it is yourself, and not wait :p (sorry, but this is way more important than friends as a priority, what I told since a month and half :/) [07:51] mlankhorst, I have added comments with my results (and a patch) to the bugs about the touch click problem. [07:51] for* [07:51] didrocks, I haven't asked much from cyphermox or mterry, no. just some ps guys like gusch and jhodapp. usually they're good but still many problems plague me... [07:52] robru: it's the import right? you don't reproduce this issue in a pbuilder? [07:52] didrocks, well I haven't tried a pbuilder for a couple days so I don't remember exactly, but for the most part I'm not usually able to run these at all locally, I am just relying on jenkins to test build for me. that's obviously very slow, long delay in the feedback loop [07:53] robru: indeed, I think focusing on why it's not running locally for you should be #1 as you will need it at any further point [07:53] robru: and a pbuilder to setup it not that complex, even with a ppa [07:53] robru: ok, one sec, grabbing the branch [07:54] robru: does upstream ack that we can have those tests run during package build? [07:54] in a chroot [07:54] didrocks, are we talking about camera-app? gusch just said right there that it should run, didn't he? talking about the deps. [07:55] robru: I didn't see him talking that the tests runs without a X display [07:55] didrocks, oh, that I don't know [07:55] robru: you should have asked many moons ago IMHO :) === Zdra is now known as xclaesse [07:56] * didrocks tries to build in his pbuilder, now that he added the ppa [07:56] didrocks, before 1hr ago I didn't even know that headless was even a concern. [07:56] robru: I think you really should focus less on friends, which is not our team's priority, and more on packaging/integration, and how things are built (even the basics) as it's our main job [07:57] didrocks, so I can build camera-app, and it can even install, but it still complains about libhud. I have that package installed from the PPA, i have no idea what's going on here. [07:58] robru: oh, so you mean different issues than the pbuilder one? or the same? [07:58] (complaining about import?) [07:58] yeah, it can't import HUD [07:58] ah, so this is different [07:58] HUD 1 vs 2 issue? [07:59] didrocks, I guess so. [07:59] robru: so, that's a different issue, mterry and cyphermox saw that, and indeed, ted moved to HUD 2 and the apps are still using HUD 1. mterry and cyphermox ported some apps to HUD 2 [07:59] didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5715338/ they both look like 0.1 to me, but it can't find itself [08:00] robru: did you look what version libhud-qt installed? [08:00] didrocks, same, 0.1 [08:04] morning! [08:05] Laney, good morning! [08:10] good morning, all [08:11] desrt, hey, how are you? [08:11] i'm awesome [08:11] desrt, when do you fly to the gtk hackfest? [08:11] tomorrow [08:12] the accountsservice stuff is almost done now, btw [08:12] nice [08:12] the ICE trains in this country are awesome for getting hacking done on [08:12] nice seats and power ? ;-) [08:12] it's already storing values properly -- just need to add some polkit now [08:12] ya [08:12] and tables [08:12] even in 2nd class [08:13] mvo, hey [08:13] hey seb128 [08:13] mvo, wie gehts? [08:13] * desrt is nearby mvo (ish) [08:13] gut, danke! nice weather for a start :) [08:13] desrt: near as in "europe" or near as in really near ;) ? [08:14] FRA [08:14] aka: my favourite place on earth [08:15] mvo, quick question for you, when you update update-notifier translations, is that by asking a po export to launchpad and copying those over in the po dir? or is there a smarter/vcs integrated way? [08:16] desrt: haha, just a stop-over? [08:17] seb128: I don't think I have a smarter way for u-n, I did do some LP i18n export branches but iirc not for u-n [08:17] mvo, ok, good enough, I master the rename and cp commands :p [08:17] mvo, danke [08:17] haha [08:17] your welcome [08:21] mvo, how is uni? having fun there? [08:21] yeah, its not bad. currently a bit crowded, term just started [08:22] packed with young and crazy students? ;-) [08:22] they are not getting on your nerves too much? :p [08:23] mvo: no. departing from here. [08:23] mvo: took the train in from nüenburg [08:23] seb128: no, its fun, they are keen to try out new stuff [08:24] desrt: did you visit suse^Wnovel^Wwhats-it-called-today? [08:29] mvo: yes [09:24] hmm, le pain noir est prêt [09:25] didrocks: ^ c'est encore le vrai pain ! [09:25] pitti: pfffff [09:25] * didrocks doesn't want to speak to pitti anymore, it's not Friday! No trolling :p [09:26] * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks [09:26] didrocks: SCNR :) [09:27] * didrocks hugs pitti back [09:44] seb128: ping [09:44] GunnarHj, hey [09:44] seb128: Hello Seb! Any chance that you can add a couple of lines to my PPU application? [09:48] GunnarHj, oh, right, sure, will do [09:48] it's still on my todo but I didn't get to it yet [09:51] seb128: Thanks! I don't know; maybe the endorsements by Laney and pitti are sufficient, but they ask for at least 3... [09:52] GunnarHj, I will add one, no worry, when is the meeting? [09:52] seb128: Monday [09:52] ok, good [09:52] will have it done today, that should be fine [09:52] seb128: Great, thanks again. :) [10:04] GunnarHj, I take it nothing ever happened with upstreaming g-c-c region stuff? we really need something for ubuntu gnome [10:45] that's better [10:47] chrisccoulson, what? [10:47] seb128, my connection has been slow all morning [10:47] just rebooted my openreach modem and it seems to have fixed it [10:48] was getting less than 1MB/s! [10:48] it's back up to 75MB/s now though [10:51] what time do mterry usually arrive? :-) [10:56] darkxst: We have added a patch to g-c-c that ought to make region fully functional in Ubuntu GNOME. [10:56] GunnarHj, yes I reworked your patch [10:56] darkxst: Ok? [10:56] GunnarHj, but we have no way to install language packs [10:57] darkxst: True. That's why language-selector is still in use in Ubuntu instead of Region & Language. [10:58] GunnarHj, and its kind of a mess really, for example why patch accountservives to use language "en_US" instead of what gnome uses? [11:01] darkxst: Because it's Ubuntu. language-selector is still the Ubuntu UI, there is a language chooser in lightdm-gtk-greeter, language-selector will be used by Xubuntu and Lubuntu also when Ubuntu standard has switched to region... accountsservice carries code that is shared by all those. [11:03] darkxst: Now it's possible to just switch from language-selector to region and back without problem. [11:04] GunnarHj, its took quite some work to get those patches back in order, but I think they are ok now [11:05] darkxst: Back in order? Maybe I'd better take a look? ;-) [11:05] GunnarHj, sure, quite some code moved in to gnome-desktop [11:06] darkxst: Are you using separate versions of some packages in Ubuntu GNOME 13.04? [11:06] GunnarHj, 3.8 [11:06] dpm, hey, do you know how the ubuntu-docs template is updated by any chance? [11:07] darkxst: Aha, that explains a lot... [11:07] GunnarHj, see gnome-desktop package on gnome3 ppa, and g-c-c on staging [11:08] darkxst: Thanks for the tip; will take a look. [11:08] I can see GNOME 3.8 taking a loooong time to land in Ubuntu :p [11:08] hi seb128, the docs team have got a script to do it, I think, there was an e-mail on ubuntu-doc recently explaining the process. Let me see if I can find it [11:09] seb128, if that happens, what on earth will we do? [11:09] darkxst, "we"? [11:09] although I do agree there are lots of invasive changes in there [11:09] ubuntu GNOME [11:09] darkxst, keep using our working versions? [11:09] lol, we can't do a 3rd release with 3.6 [11:10] darkxst: Without having seen it, I get a feeling that Ubuntu GNOME need to make a choice. Ubuntu or GNOME. ;-)= [11:10] darkxst, is ubuntu GNOME mission to ship the latest crack even if it's broken, or to ship a good usable GNOME? [11:10] what a question ... [11:10] latest crack indeed ! [11:10] seb128, usable GNOME (except for staging ppa) [11:11] darkxst, ok, so help to get those issues sorted out, even if it takes yet another cycle... [11:13] seb128, hm. I don't know how the docs team updates the template. Here's the process of doing an upload with translations, but it does not describe how to update the template: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-April/017219.html. [11:13] There is old info on how to build it, but I don't think it's up-to-date (I believe they're not using xml2po anymore): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation [11:14] dpm, thanks [11:15] dpm, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-April/017178.html suggests "make pot" === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:16] ah, nice [11:17] dpm, shrug [11:17] dpm, what is less nice is that the template we have is outdated by ~1700 strings [11:18] dpm, the yelp start page gives me a "what's new in 12.10" in fr here [11:18] * seb128 uploads an updated template [11:22] seb128, yes that is half the reason I am looking into this [11:23] but our users want 3.8 now, not in a years time! [11:23] users want everything, they want perfect software for yesterday without helping or paying anything ;-) [11:23] you expect that you will need two release cycles to fix it ? [11:24] ogra_, well 3.8 is out, if we miss 13.10 that will be a year after their release that it goes in an Ubuntu release [11:25] we will update gtk and apps for sure [11:25] the tricky bits are gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-control-center [11:25] * ogra_ votes for dropping the latter ... (until they allow me smaller fonts again !) [11:26] (yeah yeah, i know its not friday :P ) [11:27] seb128, yes I am well aware of that, there is also the logind stuff but I guess that is going to land in S? [11:27] yes, logind is mostly sorted [11:28] it was almost ready to land for R, will land early S [11:30] seb128, so really the worst bit is g-s-d then? since ubuntu could just keep using language-selector for g-c-c (and the other custom panels such as background) [11:31] darkxst, g-c-c is problematic, they made extra changes that should make harder to have standalone panels from what I saw ... was that fixed in the ppa? [11:32] darkxst, we also have other patches that will need rebasing, or we need to fork more panels (like to add unity launcher controls to the display panel) [11:32] oh right, yes dynamic panel are gone/broken [11:32] ^dynamically loaded [11:32] so you guys didn't fix that in the ppa? [11:33] well, I guess that's going to be on the blocker list [11:33] no, not really a priority [11:33] we will need to see how many blockers there are like that [11:33] and see what we can do with the resources we have [11:33] but I foresee that g-c-c 3.8 will not be an easy one [11:34] seb128, pretty sure you could still add custom panels at build time, this more effects like desktop files showing up in g-c-c [11:35] well, that would requiring merging the sources? [11:37] maybe just a small patch to check XDG_DESKTOP? [11:38] I believe it was removed because they has issues scanning the .desktop files [11:39] seb128, hm, that's a bit strange. Generally the docs team are good in terms of updating the template. I know bkerensa did an upload of ubuntu docs with translations very recently, and so if I understand it correctly, and if the template wasn't up to date, essentially he re-uploaded old translations [11:39] dpm, it seems like he did... [11:40] darkxst, no, they changed the build to statically link panels into the g-c-c binary to improve start time [11:41] dpm, in any case the current templace has "What's new in Ubuntu 12.10?" in it [11:41] yes, but it was because it took too long to scan the .desktop files, atleast that is what I thought [11:41] dpm, after running make pot mine has 13.04 [11:41] darkxst, well, whatever the reason that makes much harder to load our external panels [11:41] so we need to sort that out [11:42] seb128, let me send an e-mail to the docs team mailing list [11:42] dpm, about what? [11:42] about them updating the template in LP [11:42] dpm, I'm doing it [11:43] seb128, ok, cool, thanks [11:44] dpm, I will email translators/doc lists once the upload is done [11:44] ok [11:46] seb128, ok [11:48] seb128, maybe I can follow that up with hadess and rtcm [11:48] what follow up? [11:50] an easier way to load external panels [11:51] you can try, good luck [11:51] there has been several discussions on the upstream list about that [11:52] they just don't approve of external panels and don't want to support the usecase [11:52] they want to control the design and the user experience and to have things done upstream or not [11:57] hmm right === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === cjohnston_ is now known as cjohnston [12:05] seb128, the panels are statically linked to one g-c-c binary [12:05] darkxst: Had a look, and get the idea. [12:06] seb128, reverting that would be quite some patching and i wouldnt recommend that :\ [12:06] seb128, i just added a patch for the ubuntu-online-account integration [12:06] darkxst: Didn't you patch gnome-languages.c instead of gdm-languages.c? [12:06] seb128, which is quite invasive due it is written in vala [12:07] darkxst: (The forwards, as you mentioned, haven't made it into GNOME yet.) [12:09] ricotz, what would you recommend doing instead of reverting? [12:10] seb128, adding patches for custom panels [12:10] Laney, can you approve http://launchpadlibrarian.net/137618272/ubuntu-docs_13.04.2_source.changes for me? I want to email translators/documentation team about it but I need it in and imported first [12:10] seb128, or maintain a separate app for ubuntu specific settings [12:10] ricotz, what would the patches do? [12:10] ricotz, we don't plan to have 2 system settings app, that would be ridiculous [12:11] seb128, adding the actual panel to be statically linked like the upstream ones [12:11] like merge them in the same source? [12:11] yes [12:12] https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-staging/+files/gnome-control-center_3.8.1-0ubuntu1%7Eraring1.debian.tar.gz [12:13] seb128, the mentioned panel is credentials_panel.patch [12:14] seb128, maintaining them in a separate git branch would be quite clean imo [12:15] ricotz, none of those are maintained in git to start [12:16] ricotz, then I don't want to merge activity-log-manager and ubuntu-online-account and indicator-datetime and old appaerance capplet and deja-dup in a same source [12:16] that's just plainly stupid [12:16] GunnarHj, yes basically, for those bits that moved [12:17] seb128, ok, git submodules are a nice way to join 3rd party repositories [12:18] seb128, but of course bzr is the ubuntu way [12:18] ricotz, right, but we don't use git, and I don't want to merge all those sources in a tarball [12:18] even if we were using git [12:18] ricotz, oh, I had another patch to fix langugage selection in user panel, but hadn't uploaded it yet ;( [12:20] seb128, ok, then maybe it is possible to add some loader infrastructure without touching all panels (which would be needed when reverting) [12:20] darkxst, i see [12:21] darkxst: Didn't see it, but that's good. Especially the utf8 -> UTF-8 is crucial. [12:22] seb128, but it seems either way it is quite some work [12:22] darkxst: I thought I made Ubuntu GNOME a favour by writing that patch, btw. ;-) [12:22] ricotz, hey, maybe [12:22] I didn't look to it yet [12:23] seb128, i guess the plan of forking g-c-c is off table (ubuntu-control-center) [12:23] GunnarHj, sure, it was a great start! [12:23] darkxst: Didn't you go for 3.8, though. [12:23] know ^ [12:23] ricotz, no, but that wouldn't help you much if we need different versions of e.g gnome-desktop === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:23] seb128, yeah, absolutely [12:24] darkxst: But how do you deal with language installation? [12:24] GunnarHj, that is the big problem [12:25] GunnarHj, tempted to make a native sub-panel to do it, but I am not a design guy [12:25] and have no idea, how it would work well [12:25] darkxst: Last cycle I was of the opinion that Ubuntu GNOME ought to stick with language-selector. Basically I haven't changed my mind. [12:25] seb128, so carrying g-c-c panel patches which might link to external widget libs could be an option too, meaning having a minimal patch and the actual gui and logic is provided by an external library [12:26] ricotz, could be I guess [12:26] GunnarHj, how about making language-selector more native? with the new egg-list boxes etc? [12:27] s/more/look more/ [12:27] seb128, alright, bbl [12:27] darkxst: I'm not a design guy either. ;-) [12:28] darkxst: And since l-s is planned to be replaced by region, noone is interested in putting too much work into it. [12:28] GunnarHj, I like the look of region panel, way better than l-s! [12:29] darkxst: Me too. [12:29] darkxst: But l-s has the installation part. Functionality vs. look. [12:30] darkxst: I tend to think it's more important that it works than that is looks good. ;-) [12:32] GunnarHj, yes working is important! [12:33] mterry: ello you about? [12:35] czajkowski, hello [12:35] anyway I am off to bed, havent had enough sleep this week [12:35] mterry: you may be able to help me. http://ubuntuone.com/3tFMGqECQ36kCd8F4cPoka [12:36] mterry: I keep having that red triangle appear and tell me there are updates, yet when I click show updates, the pop up box appears saying software is up to date. [12:38] czajkowski, what if you run "sudo apt-get -f install" on a command line? [12:39] czajkowski, and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"? [12:39] seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5715805/ [12:39] what seb128 said [12:39] hum [12:39] dunno then [12:39] czajkowski, is that raring? [12:39] czajkowski@sheldon:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [12:39] Reading package lists... Done [12:39] Building dependency tree [12:39] Reading state information... Done [12:39] Calculating upgrade... Done [12:39] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [12:39] eep sorry paste [12:39] yes raring [12:39] weird [12:39] czajkowski, so software updater is right here. The bug seems to be with the red triangle [12:39] I wonder where that red triangle is coming from [12:40] czajkowski, which i believe is from update-notifier [12:40] seb128: no idea but wish ir would feck off :) [12:40] is that update-notified? [12:40] czajkowski, can you stop update-notifier if it's running and "update-notifier --debug-updates" and copy the log? [12:41] seb128, yeah [12:41] czajkowski, is there any message/error in the menu displayed if you click on the red triangle? [12:42] seb128: let me get that [12:45] seb128: mterry http://ubuntuone.com/0BPQa3o8o19USyFNpYq2rZ [12:46] czajkowski, oh, that might be due to error you showed me this morning from your sudo apt-get update [12:46] seb128: nope had the red triangle fo the last week [12:46] e.g http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5715247/ [12:46] just it's not been bugging me as much as today [12:46] czajkowski, your apt-get update doesn't work? [12:46] czajkowski, your apt-get update doesn't work? [12:46] it does [12:46] mterry, ^ cf pastebin I just copied [12:47] the private ppa in that pastebin can be ignored as I was doing online service testing and the app had a refund just not gone in and removed it [12:47]