andoriyuhey, so it developer preview usable on daily basis?00:06
RobbyFoops, thought you said unusable00:06
andoriyuthat is a shame00:06
RobbyFno data yet.00:07
lilstevieandoriyu it is only a preview at this stage00:07
RobbyFI suppose you could use it just for phone and basic browsing/gmail00:07
andoriyuis there any eta on when it goes public (i.e. first phone released) ?00:08
RobbyFsince nobody is speaking i'll share what i think i know. phone can be used as a daily driver by 13.10 release (oct) and a year from now is expected phone release.00:10
RobbyFlots of growth and changes between now and then.00:11
andoriyuI see00:12
RobbyFsome people are using it now as a daily device however. only using it in wifi areas ect.00:12
andoriyuI'm just thinking about buying nexus 4 just for ubuntu touch00:13
RobbyFI have a friend looking to sell one. canada only though00:14
moocow1452?join #ubuntu00:19
andoriyuand that thing when you use phone as a pc is not yet available aslo?00:19
RobbyFnot yet available.00:20
lilstevieandoriyu desktop convergence is not planned to be included to 14.0400:36
lilsteviethat last to should be until00:37
andoriyuI see00:37
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Kawobei_workHey I just loaded touch on a nexus 1000:53
Kawobei_workhow do I make a user, I can only get into the guest account00:53
mhall119Kawobei_work: that may be all that's working right now00:59
mhall119a lot of functionality is using mock data for demonstration purposes00:59
Kawobei_workoh so we cant get to settings to add a hidden wireless network or anything00:59
Kawobei_workcan only access the guest account is normal then?00:59
mhall119Kawobei_work: you can get to the terminal with a USB cable, then the sky's the limit00:59
mhall119but as far as the GUI goes, there's still a lot that's not finished01:00
Kawobei_workok, sorry I thought it was alot further along01:00
mhall119Kawobei_work: some of it is, some of it isn't01:01
mhall119some of it is functional as far as the display and user interaction goes, but is populated with mock data until a working backend is made01:01
Kawobei_workok, thank you.01:03
moocow1452Stuck on Uimage in my build. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5714772/01:28
GTKoolAidSManHey I was wondering if anyone knows how to create an android backup file03:11
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dholbachgood morning06:02
alolHi! I can't install qt 5 qml particles on Nexus 7. I can't find the package with apt-cache. Does anybody know if it will be available anytime soon?06:36
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nspliti'm using a lxde the last year in my mobile&tablet08:17
nsplitbut is not compiled with egl08:18
nsplitis this ubuntu version compiled with egl support? what about xorg+egl?08:18
rsalvetiogra_: http://phablet.ubuntu.com/export/08:22
rsalvetistill building so not completely sure it's a working snapshot, but it should :-)08:23
* rsalveti -> zzz08:23
ogra_rsalveti, wow, thanks !08:29
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nik90mesq: we have an issue implementing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/116385508:44
ubot5Launchpad bug 1163855 in Ubuntu Clock App "[clock app] Stopwatch needs to show 1/100th of a second in the label for better accuracy" [Medium,In progress]08:44
nik90mesq: I have explained the problem in the bug report. Need design decision.08:44
mesqnik90: wow that's an interesting limitation08:51
nik90mesq: yeah I was suprised to read the official qml documentations to find this limitation08:52
mesqnik90: i'd say let's do 1/10 s then08:52
mesqnik90: that'd be the accuracy of manual timing anyway :)08:53
mesqnik90: but it's a shame because people are used to 1/100 s everywhere else08:53
nik90mesq: so then the format will be mm:ss:cs (01:50:80)08:53
nik90mesq: true, but maybe we will find something faster later08:54
mesqnik90: can we drop the last zero then, since it's not carrying any information?08:54
nik90mesq: yeah, u read my mind08:54
mesqnik90: i'll have a quick look at the layout. maybe the 1/10s could be in superscript / subscript or something. will have to see08:54
mesqnik90: :)08:54
nik90mesq: sure, let me know when you have decided on the final design look08:55
mesqnik90: i will look at it asap. thanks again!08:57
nik90mesq: np08:58
alolis it possible to get qt5 qml particles plugin on nexus 7 with ubuntu touch?09:01
mzanettialol: did you try to "apt-cache search qtdeclarative5-particles-plugin" ?09:21
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afunixGuys, does anyone happen to know if it is possible to bind C++ and QML code together on Ubuntu Phone?10:27
afunixQDeclarativeView is absent10:28
afunixQtQml is absent too..10:28
nik90afunix: it should definitely be possible by implementing a separate C++ plugin10:28
nik90afunix: for the ubuntu touch, we stick to qml, javascript10:28
nik90afunix: C++ is a last resort10:28
afunixnik90: but there is no documentation on that on wiki.ubuntu.com. All apps are pure QML10:29
nik90afunix: true. But these sample apps like have javascript in them10:29
afunixnik90: we're developing a kind of audio transmitter, so C++ is a must for performance10:29
nik90afunix: I personally do not know how to combine c++ with qml..but sure someone here will know10:29
ckingis there a way to automate UI interactions on the N4 phablet so I can do some power / CPU / GPU monitoring  + analysis?10:37
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ckingapparently nobody knows10:44
tsdgeoscking: using autopilot?10:57
ckingtsdgeos, i followed the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Autopilot, namely sudo apt-add-repository ppa:autopilot/ppa && sudo apt-get install libautopilot-qt python-autopilot10:58
ckingThe following packages have unmet dependencies:10:58
cking python-autopilot : Depends: python-qt4 but it is not going to be installed10:58
ckingE: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.10:58
tsdgeosmzanetti: ↑↑↑10:59
ckingafter a clean install, so it doesn't work cleanly "out of the box" so to speak11:00
mzanetticking: why is python-qt4 not going to be installed?11:07
ckingmzanetti, not sure, let me do a clean install and try again and find what it says11:09
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ckingmzanetti, so clean phablet install on nexus4, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5715649/11:18
cking/etc/apt/sources.list has just deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ quantal main restricted universe multiverse11:19
ogra_look in sources.list.d11:20
mzanetticking: oh... you're doing this on the phone?11:20
ckingmzanetti, yep, so is this not possible on the phablet images yet?11:21
mzanetticking: slightly too early to follow the howto then... its possible, but in that case you need autopilot-phablet instead of python-autopilot11:21
mzanetticking: it should be in the same ppa too11:21
mzanetticking: still wouldn't explain the python-qt4 issue11:21
mzanettiwell... probably it does. maybe we stripped autopilot-qt4 deps from the phablet one... can't remember11:22
ckingindeed, no idea why I'm getting that, I'm just a H/W hacker11:22
mzanetticking: you will most likely hit some more smaller issues. however, I'm here to help if you want11:23
ckingok, /me will retry with autopilot-phablet in a mo11:23
jounihis there any way to see which build I have on a device?11:27
mzanettijounih: cat /system/quantal-ubuntu_stamp | head11:29
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jounihawesome. thanks zanetti11:33
ckingmzanetti, so are there any available phablet GUI tests available?11:53
mzanetticking: check out camera-app-autopilot11:53
mzanetticking: actually all of the apps have a -autopilot package and all of them *should* run on the phone too11:53
mzanetticking: at least they a month ago when I last tried.11:54
ckingmzanetti, so these tests should be in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/autopilot/tests ?11:54
mzanetticking: no. in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/<appname>11:55
ckingah, got it11:55
cking mzanetti, can't seem to find a camera-app-autopilot anywhere, I suspect I must be missing some more packages11:58
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mzanettiphablet@localhost:~$ apt-cache search camera-app11:59
mzanetticamera-app - Camera application11:59
mzanetticamera-app-autopilot - Test package for the camera app11:59
mzanetticking: on a freshly flashed phone12:00
mzanetticking: did you apt-get update?12:00
ckingok - didn't know the name of it, this is a bit like playing with lego w/o being able to see the bricks or know what they are called ;-)12:00
ckingmzanetti, I just get camera-app and not camera-app-autopilot12:02
mzanetticking: cat /system/quantal-ubuntu_stamp | head12:02
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mzanetticking: hmm... looks good12:14
* cking grabs some lunch, back in a mo12:14
mzanetticking: do you have a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/phablet-team-ppa-quantal.list ?12:15
mzanetti+1 on the lunch12:15
ckingmzanetti, I do have that12:15
* cking --> food12:15
ricklandmanjust popping in while wondering if it is finally time for me to hit the smartphone band wagon.12:23
ricklandmanI want to have a smartphone with linux on top.12:24
ricklandmandon't need it for telephony12:24
ricklandmaninternet is not necessary but would be fine12:24
ricklandmanI am wellknown to linux/ubuntu but don't have time for testing and finetuning.12:24
ricklandmanAny suggestions what is the easiest/fastest way to get started ?12:24
mzanettiricklandman: if you just want to use it its probably still too early for you...12:25
mzanettiricklandman: however, if you still want to give it a shot, you can install it on any of those devices: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices12:27
ricklandmanmzanetti: thanks. and the four upper ones are the 'easiest' ?12:29
mzanettiricklandman: yes. given you have an ubuntu machine, installing is just 1 command12:30
ricklandmanthese are all legacy models ?12:31
mzanettiricklandman: for the others you need to download 2 files, "adb push" them to the device manually and use the devices bootloader to flash12:31
ricklandmanmzanetti: okay that's not to difficult also12:32
sergiusensmzanetti: you can now phablet-network-setup -i && phablet-test-run -i -c camera-app-autopilot camera_app12:32
mzanettiricklandman: no its not... what you mean with legacy devices?12:32
mzanettisergiusens: the problem with cking is rather that the ppa doesn't seem to work12:33
sergiusensmzanetti: which ppa?12:33
ricklandmanlegacy=not for sale in regular shop12:33
mzanettisergiusens: phablet-team/ppa12:33
sergiusensricklandman: the nexus 10 is not for sale anymore?12:33
mzanettirenato: the Nexus 4 for example is brand new12:33
mzanettiricklandman: ^^ (sorry renato)12:34
ricklandmanokay, so I can make decission between new or secondhand. thans12:34
sergiusensmzanetti: cking python-qt4 is in main, shouldn't be a problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/5715801/12:38
sergiusensmzanetti: also, the phablet-autopilot that has the latest fix is in ppa:phablet-team/tools12:38
sil2100didrocks: qtubuntu-cameraplugin-fake already has a bootstrapping commit so we're fine here12:40
didrockssil2100: sweet! :)12:40
sil2100armhf qt5 with the sqlite<->mysql should be built soon as well12:41
mzanettisergiusens: yeah... he can't install camera-app-autopilot as its unknown to his apt for some reason12:43
sergiusensmzanetti: hmmm... didn't get that part... well cking is lunching anyways, you said you were going to too :-P12:45
mzanettisergiusens: my fridge is empty... I'll skip it12:45
ogra_you could go shopping then :)12:46
mzanettisergiusens: no... spring has finally arrived I want to go biking later which doesn't fit with a full stomach. I'll eat afterwards12:46
sergiusensmzanetti: heh... we are getting into a nice fall here.. was tired of the heat!12:50
mzanettisergiusens: it just didn't stop snowing this year... last weekend it finally turned around.12:50
doomlord" I'll start with the punchline: If you're writing a function that can be implemented as either a member or as a non-friend non-member, you should prefer to implement it as a non-member function. That decision increases class encapsulation. When you think encapsulation, you should think non-member functions." <<<< NAIL/HEAD12:52
doomlord^^^^ sorry wrong channel12:53
doomlordranting about C++ functions v methods somewhere12:53
mhall119well that sounds thrilling12:56
slacka-hackaHi, when does the Ubuntu Touch Anonymous Clinic start ? I've got severe withdrawal symptoms :(12:56
mhall119slacka-hacka: starts now12:57
mhall119though I don't know where you got the Anonymous part12:57
slacka-hackaI could really do with knowing what is the cheapest way of getting up and running. I can't quite stretch to a Nexus 712:58
mhall119you can run Ubuntu SDK apps on Ubuntu desktop13:00
mhall119you don't need a device13:00
* tvoss looks for the doctor13:00
popeyThe Doctor is [IN |  ]13:01
mterrymzanetti, are you working on general welcome screen stuff?  i.e. if I assign the pin entry work to you, that wouldn't be unexpected?13:01
mhall119slacka-hacka: see http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ for instructions on getting the SDK up and running13:01
slacka-hackamhall119: Thanks yes... I've been doing that and created a few apps in qtcreator but realistically I want to use muti touch gestures13:01
mzanettimterry: I think thats ok... but we should clarify with kgunn13:01
mhall119slacka-hacka: ah, for that you'll need a device13:02
mzanettimterry: just the frontend?13:02
mhall119or wait until we have a device emulator (though I don't even know if an emulator would let you simulate multi-touch)13:02
slacka-hackapopey - Please prescribe me a Nexus 7 so I can develop :(13:02
mhall119slacka-hacka: I don't think your insurance will cover it :)13:02
mterrymzanetti, I suppose so.  I imagine the backend will be a no-op (just set a password of 4 digits for the user)13:03
tvossslacka-hacka, I'm curious, what gestures would you be interested in? pinch-to-zoom?13:03
popeyhah slacka-hacka ☻13:03
mhall119slacka-hacka: luckily, there are a number of generic brands you can choose from: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/13:03
slacka-hackamhall119: I'm trying to rsync the fs from quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf on a lesser tablet13:03
mhall119bah, wrong link13:03
mhall119slacka-hacka: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working.2C_but_not_available_from_cdimage.u.c13:03
* ogra_ proposes wave to suspend ... buttwiggle to mail 13:03
ckingmzanetti, back from lunch now13:04
slacka-hackatvoss: all of them ! I'd like to see how far we can push this :)13:04
mzanettimterry: lets discuss in #ubuntu-unity in a bit when kgunn appears13:04
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kgunnmzanetti: mterry ack....got a call right now...will come back in about 3013:05
tvossslacka-hacka, just to clarify: it is likely that some gestures will be consumed by the shell :)13:05
mhall119alright, any other developers here for the Ubuntu Touch Clinic/13:05
slacka-hackathanks mhall119 .... Oh it's Michael it's it ? ;) @shaf here :p13:06
popeymhall119: have updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Meetings but it looks horrid with all those navigation menus, suggestions welcome!13:06
mhall119popey: kill it with fire?13:06
popeys/suggestions/useful\ suggestions/13:06
slacka-hackatvoss: kernel uevent on touch should be still available even on a console13:07
ckingmzanetti, perhaps a simple recipe of what to run from a clean install on a N4 is required so I can see what I'm missing13:07
mhall119popey: we probably don't need the core apps header13:07
mhall119though that would lead to one-way navigation :(13:07
mzanetticking: phablet-flash -l && phablet-network-setup -i && ssh phablet@<device> sudo apt-get update && ssh phablet@<device> sudo apt-get install camera-app-autopilot13:08
popeyooh, i didnt know about phablet-network-setup13:09
ckingpopey, it's bound to be on a wiki somewhere ;-)13:09
popeywe need a better hostname for devices than localhost13:09
popeyssh phablet@<device> would be easier then13:09
popeymaybe we could have a randomly generated hostname, that can't possibly go wrong can it achiang13:09
tvossslacka-hacka, sure13:10
slacka-hackabtw gents ... when do you anticipate a launch ?13:11
popey"next year" is the standard answer.13:12
slacka-hackait really looks good thus far popey. I was hoping for sooner :o13:14
mhall119popey: I cleaned up the style of the navigation a bit13:15
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mhall119slacka-hacka: if you want it sooner, go tell all the sales-folk at your wireless stores that you want to buy one from them13:15
slacka-hackasorry about this... Is there a way of sending touch gestures from say a galaxy to ubuntu ? I tried building splashtop but the source leaves much to be desired13:16
alolmzanetti: yes, it finds nothing.13:17
slacka-hackamhall119: Yep. going to bite the bullet and get a nexus... can't risk flashing the galaxy to ubuntu touch13:17
nik90hi popey, mhall11913:17
popeyhey nik9013:18
mhall119slacka-hacka: I'm not sure I understand, you want to pass touch gestures from a galaxy phone to an Ubuntu desktop?13:18
mhall119or to Ubuntu Touch running on the device?13:18
slacka-hackamhall119: yes.... unfortunately the device I have running ubuntu has a broken touch interface :(13:18
kgunnmzanetti: mterry what's up?....seems lack of google access freeing me up to discuss13:19
mhall119physically broken, or just not working with Ubuntu?13:19
slacka-hackayes a big OH indeed (yes physical) :( What started out as a simple project has now great potential with touch because the device has full gl13:20
slacka-hackaI would like to see how UT performs on a lesser device... anyway I'll rsync phablet and try to get it up13:21
mhall119sergiusens: how are we looking today for freezing the quantal builds and switching to raring?13:21
mterrykgunn, I was just asking mzanetti if he was the person to go to with some welcome screen work items like the pin entry13:22
sergiusensmhall119: the two stopper bugs haven't been fixed yet13:22
sergiusenspmcgowan: should we do the call for test on raring anyways?13:22
pmcgowansergiusens: first we should work on opening up the bug lists?13:23
mzanettialol: I lost the context13:24
sergiusenspmcgowan: ok, lets do that! Do you want me to start migrating the bugs as discussed?13:25
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pmcgowansergiusens: lets make a plan13:26
pmcgowanwe can open then take time to migrate I suppose13:26
sergiusenspmcgowan: so first the bug list, then comes raring?13:27
pmcgowansergiusens: I was thinking we need a place to file the issues from the testing, and if we are offically calling for the tests. its time13:27
slacka-hackathanks gents... keep up the great work13:29
nik90mhall119: is there a way to obtain the gps latitude and longitude of user location on the phone?13:29
popeynik90: that's work in progress13:30
nik90popey: oh ok..alrite in the case, I will the UI and leave placeholders for the API13:30
nik90I meant I will finish the UI and leave placeholders for the API13:31
brunogirinpopey: what's the status of the bluetooth stack?13:33
mhall119nik90: I believe that upstream Qt provides APIs for that, but it's not working yet in Ubuntu Touch13:33
nik90mhall119: yeah I read about Qt Location API, however it requires a position source. That info needs to be provided by some package in ubuntu I guess13:34
mhall119nik90: yeah, there's various sources that can be used, GPS, geoip, etc13:35
mhall119nik90: there appears to be QML plugins for it too: http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility/qml-location-plugin.html13:37
nik90mhall119: I was actually referring to that. I will use the Qml Coordinate with some demo data until we wait for the position source to be available13:39
nik90mhall119: found more info at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21614/client-1303-location-service/13:41
jounihanyone know if Ubuntu Touch will support access to external media via USB?13:42
mhall119jounih: reading or playback?13:42
mhall119I don't see why not13:43
slacka-hackaquick question... is UTs / filesystem ext4 ? Cheers13:45
jounihwould be cool if running a Touch phone/tablet in desktop mode you could plug in external SSD/HD. I guess bus powering might be an issue though13:45
mhall119yeah, if it has external power than it should work fine13:45
jounihdoes it work already or something for the future?13:46
ogra_note that most phones wont charge if their USB bus is in OTG mode13:46
mhall119ogra_: can you answer slacka-hacka's westion about filesystem?13:46
ogra_so you might run into battery issues doing such stuff13:46
* mhall119 doesn't have his N7 near by to check13:46
ogra_slacka-hacka, yep, ext4 ... likely to become squashfs for some parts later though13:47
slacka-hackathanks ogra_13:47
aquariusI have a question :) What's the plan for being able to cache a downloaded thing? Music, images, etc? I can of course store binaries in U1Db or LocalStorage, but that's not really what they're for13:47
mhall119ogra_: what about that new filesystem optimized for flash storage?13:47
ogra_mhall119, well, kernel patches acceptedm feel free :)13:48
mhall119ogra_: yeah, taking kernel patches from me would be a bad idea13:48
highvoltagesamsung's filesystem? I think xnox was taking a look at that13:48
ogra_(we use outdated kernels due to the android layer)13:48
jounihwhat about other USB peripherals, anyone tested usb keyboards/mice with desktop ubuntu on n7?13:49
mhall119aquarius: are you more interested in manually writing to local files, or having the SDK auto-cache behind the scenes?13:49
ogra_(and often enough completely different versions on a per device base ... so every kernel patch we add is costly)13:49
MonkeyDustwhat's the price of a ubuntu tablet, in any given country?13:49
mhall119jounih: I've done it with the desktop N7 image13:49
jounihworks ok?13:49
mhall119MonkeyDust: there isn't one being sold with Ubuntu yet13:49
mhall119jounih: yup, exactly as you'd expect it to13:49
MonkeyDustmhall119 ok13:49
aquariusmhall119, ideally the SDK would provide a CachingAudio object and so on. However, in the absence of that, I can build it myself if I need to (and that gives good ammunition to pleas to include it in the SDK!) if I can write to the filesystem, which I currently cannot.13:50
jounihis n7 usb2 or 3?13:50
aquariusI'd very much like to see a CachingAudio object.13:50
alolmzanetti: I want to use qt5 qml particles, but cannot on Nexus 7. package is not installed, and I cannot ifnd it with apt-cache.13:50
xnoxmhall119: the f2fs is interesting but (a) requires updated kernel (b) doesn't have fsck (c) doesn't help with snapshot based upgrades.13:50
xnoxhighvoltage: thanks for highlight.13:50
xnoxmhall119: similar story with nilfs13:50
mhall119xnox: thanks for the update, glad it's being investigated at least13:51
xnoxbtrfs was proposed as well, but it still doesn't deliver the promised unicorns =)13:51
ogra_btrfs and SD cards (or eMMCs) dont really like each other13:52
ogra_its slow as molasses (at least it was last time i looked about a year ago... might have changed)13:52
ogra_ext4 is currently still the best option13:53
slacka-hackawould prefer to stop rsyslog && log to to /dev/ram instead tbh13:53
* popey hugs btrfs and covers it's ears13:53
popeyhighvoltage: I agree.13:53
mhall119someone's happy to see you13:53
xnoxhighvoltage: strangely none of that highlighted me =)13:54
highvoltageThat makes me feel like such a failure :(13:54
xnoxpopey: it's ok, it comes with complementary disaster recovery counselling.13:54
aquariusI think that's the final game list for the world championship of eight-dimensional tic-tac-toe, right?13:54
slacka-hackatime for the moment of truth.... brb13:55
slacka-hackawell it worked but no UT desktop ...13:59
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ogra_slacka-hacka, logging to /dev/ram means you eat your memory ...14:00
ogra_imagine a process that spills log lines like crazy ...14:00
slacka-hackaogra_: true. Don't log much then :) The first linux system I built has 64meg of flash for the OS and 128meg for ram. I was logging in ram :o Get lean and mean boys14:01
ogra_i wish we could14:02
ogra_but there is that convergence story ...14:02
slacka-hackaOK so UT is up ... what init process forks the desktop ?14:02
ogra_i agree that logging needs to be cut down on phones14:02
ogra_but the tool doing the logging should be the same on desktop and phone ...14:03
ogra_(thats true for everything in the converged world)14:03
slacka-hackaOMG #iFail ... what's the default username and password ?14:04
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slacka-hackathank you .... will give it a try14:04
mhall119http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1cj69e/building_an_ubuntu_sdk_app_rev_8/ upvotes welcome14:04
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popeysergiusens: is the raring build available to install?14:06
ogra_popey, it is on cdimage14:06
ogra_usual place14:07
ogra_use the manual install instructions from the wiki ...14:07
popeydoes phablet-flash have an option/switch for it?14:07
mhall119ogra_: are we going to need an update to phablet-tools to allow it to download and install raring images?14:07
didrocksmhall119: hey, I didn't check the tutorial, but is it updated now with latest sdk?14:07
ogra_it will just download raring by default once it is safe to do so14:07
ogra_until then the brave can use the manual methdd14:08
mhall119didrocks: not yet, they changed the templates again in response to a problem I was having14:08
ogra_(and i also suspect raring wont survive more than 4 weeks, we'll then switch to S very soon)14:08
didrocksmhall119: ok, do you know when it will be online with the new version?14:08
didrocksogra_: you are so optimistic :)14:09
ogra_didrocks, well ... we have to14:09
didrocksogra_: too much emotion ;-)14:09
ogra_i just like to keep my job :P14:09
mhall119didrocks: I'll give it another look today14:09
didrocksmhall119: thanks!14:09
didrocksogra_: ahah14:09
popeyI'm having problems installing python-qt4 (required by autopilot) on the device.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/571602314:09
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sil2100jhodapp: ping, are you around?14:10
jhodappsil2100: one min14:11
mzanettialol: I have it here as libqt5quickparticles5 (which seems a bit odd indeed but will get renamed at some point I guess)14:14
slacka-hackaso I need a ubuntu-session .conf You've got stuff like px density in there... Any manpages around ?14:14
jhodappsil2100: ok14:15
jhodappsil2100: what's up?14:15
* popey files bug 116998514:17
ubot5bug 1169985 in Autopilot "Cannot install autopilot from ppa on phablet device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116998514:17
sil2100jhodapp: hi!14:20
jhodappsil2100: hey14:20
sil2100jhodapp: I noticed that qtubuntu-camera has no integration tests - is there anyone working on adding those?14:20
jhodappsil2100: not sure, I'd check with gusch as he's the eng lead for that backend14:21
jhodappsil2100: I'm sure the plan is the add them over time though, it's just not been added yet14:22
slacka-hackaanyone fancy helping me get ubuntu-session up ? :)14:23
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sil2100jhodapp: thanks! Give me a sign once you know anything ;)14:27
sil2100If you're busy I can poke gusch as well14:27
jhodappsil2100: sure, I'd recommend still asking gusch though to see what he's thinking14:28
alolmzanetti: Oddly, apt-cache search libqt5quickparticles5 gives me nothing :/14:28
sil2100Will do14:28
sergiusenspopey: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/using-phablet-tools-to-install-raring-image.html14:30
sergiusenspopey: you cannot install autopilot? hmmm, let me work on instructions... I'm doing it nightly14:31
popeythanks sergiusens14:32
slacka-hackaall I need to calculate is my GRID_UNIT_PX14:34
slacka-hackaNow I see why no one volunteered to help. Android dependencies :s14:48
sil2100gusch: ping14:54
slacka-hackaFailling back. This is not going to work... thanks for the input chaps14:55
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dpmhi mmrazik, around?15:49
dpmIt seems that Jenkins is not autolanding branches for the RSS Reader app15:50
jounihi'm trying to flash but get "Not enough space in /data, found 3.6G" - any ideas?15:57
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mmrazikdpm: I know. I will have a look later today. There is something really broken with that canonistack instance as I can't put it back online16:05
mmrazikI fear I will have to recreate it16:05
dpmmmrazik, bummer :/ - thanks a lot for looking into it nevertheless16:06
sergiusensjounih: you can clear out whatever you have in /data a bit... or16:09
sergiusensjounih: or disable device validation... but now that I see. It's a settings.py thing, not a runtime option...16:10
* sergiusens will fix that16:11
jounihcool thanks :)16:13
didrockssergiusens: rsalveti pmcgowan: FYI, just enabled bug listing in daily, so next time some components pass tests, you should see them listed :)16:16
sergiusensdidrocks: ty!16:18
didrocksyw ;)16:18
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Orangermhall119: I just pushed a branch in the project, it is just able to open a plain text actually16:54
mhall119Oranger: awesome!  Can you take a screenshot of that?16:54
Orangermhall119: Of what ? Of my branch ? ^^16:56
mhall119of the app with the file open16:56
Orangeroh yes sure ! :)16:56
Oranger(I have to find a cool plain test to open ahah)16:57
mhall119just a hello world text file would do16:58
Orangermhall119: Ok i'm uploading17:03
Orangermhall119: http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/394820Capturedu20130417190142.png17:05
mhall119Oranger: also, could you give me some instructions on how to build and use the launcher?17:05
mhall119keeping in mind that I know almost nothing about C++17:06
Orangermhall119: http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/245605Capturedu20130417190209.png17:06
Orangermhall119: Oh yes the README... I'll add it later17:07
Orangermhall119: So actually to buil the launcher you have to get qtCreator, launch the *.pro file un launcher/src then click on "build"17:08
Orangermhall119: I saw in some blog and website that a lot of core-apps are mentionned but not docviewer, why ?17:09
mhall119Oranger: until your branch, nothing had been done on it :)17:10
mhall119Now I can start talking about it17:10
Orangermhall119: Yes.. that's true ^^17:10
mhall119rickspencer3: http://www.iloveubuntu.net/meet-fingerpaint-captivating-ubuntu-sdk-based-app-created-20-minutes17:12
Orangermhall119: I have a lot of ideas but the SDK is really poor.. I hope the team will improve it fastly17:12
mhall119Oranger: they are17:13
mhall119Oranger: remember that the SDK is only a few months old17:14
Orangermhall119: Yes I know, how many are they working on it ?17:14
mhall119well it's spread across multiple teams actually, those doing the UI components, those doing the device integration, those doing the Ubuntu Touch version of Unity, those doing libraries like U1DB, Friends, etc17:15
rickspencer3mhall119, wow, I am so *the man* lol17:15
rickspencer3Oranger, I think the SDK is really good!17:15
mhall119rickspencer3: now if only it didn't make the N7 go all wonky17:15
rickspencer3I mean, QML is pretty mature17:15
Orangerricklandman: QML yes, but ubuntu-ui not ;)17:15
rickspencer3and the Ubuntu Components are coming along nicely17:15
rickspencer3well, I guess I am biased ;)17:16
OrangerI need to use some painting tools, but i'm not sure I can do it with QML alone...17:16
ogra_not only the components, the core too :P17:16
WebVisitor-8quick question17:16
WebVisitor-8how do i access settings17:16
Orangerogra_: You are right ^^17:17
WebVisitor-8installed on my nexus 1017:17
WebVisitor-8cant find settings17:17
ogra_beyond whats in the indicators in the top panel there are no settings yet17:17
mhall119WebVisitor-8: there isn't a settings UI right now, asside from the indicators at the top17:17
WebVisitor-8so you cant create a different user?17:18
ogra_there are designs and i think people are working on implementation already17:18
mhall119you probably can from the command-line, but I don't know if the greeter is fully working to let you switch yet17:18
ogra_but nothing thats done yet17:18
WebVisitor-8looks nice but back to the might Android I go!17:18
WebVisitor-8thank you17:18
ogra_come back though !17:18
WebVisitor-8will do17:18
mhall119WebVisitor-8: we're catching up quickly17:18
mhall119it won't be long before it's ready to be a daily driver for early adopters17:19
ogra_to late :)17:19
ogra_he's gone17:19
mhall119that's for prosperity then17:19
mhall119so I can either praise my prophetic abilities, or eat my words17:19
* mhall119 really hopes for the former17:20
Orangermhall119: I made a README, I hope I have not made ​​mistakes ^^'17:22
mhall119Oranger: did you push it to the same branch?17:25
boikofginther: hi, mzanetti told me you are the one taking care of CI/autolanding for community apps, is that correct?17:35
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mzanettiboiko: fginther: I'm assuming that because of this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+members#active17:41
fgintherboiko, yes, I help with that17:44
boikofginther: great! so, it seems autolanding is not running for the calculator app (or there is something else broken somewhere)17:48
boikofginther: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-calculator-app/package-fixes/+merge/15848217:48
boikofginther: I approved this MR yesterday and it is still not merged17:49
fgintherbioko, the server is down and we've had issues getting it back up. We're in the process of rebuilding it, but I don't have an ETA. Hopefully today.17:50
mhall119fginther: sounds like fun17:51
fginthermhall119, is there a preferred method for broadcasting these server outages?17:51
mhall119fginther: there's a mailing list for the core apps, that's probably the best place17:51
fginthermhall119, thanks17:52
mhall119fginther: ubuntu-touch-coreapps@lists.launchpad.net17:52
fginthermhall119, thanks again17:52
boikofginther: ok, no problems, I was just wondering if it was a config issue or something like that, but if it is just a matter of getting the service up again, then I'm fine waiting17:58
fgintherboiko, thanks for checking, sometimes I don't notice until someone pings me17:58
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mptJust posted "Security & Privacy" wireframes (no spec text yet): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone18:02
mhall119mpt: is that going to be an app or an indicator?18:07
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moocow1452Can anyone make heads or tails of this. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5716685/ Looks like Kernel flags but I want to be sure.19:05
sergiusensboiko: hey regarding the ringer sound, where are you getting it from?19:31
boikosergiusens: ubuntu-sounds I think, let me double check19:31
moocow1452Anyone good at making the system?19:32
sergiusensboiko: so it's not from the android tree... that's all I want to make sure of, since I'm removing all those things from there19:32
boikosergiusens: nope, not from android19:32
sergiusensboiko: hawsome19:33
rsalvetisergiusens: guess only the camera sound is from android19:34
sergiusensrsalveti: yup...19:34
sergiusensrsalveti: so I might migrate the .mk to use the assets, or migrate the asset to the right location since we don't need it in bzr/patch, that is sort of an old mechanism :-)19:35
sergiusensmoocow1452: show me your commoncap.c19:36
rsalvetisergiusens: sorry, but the asset is already available via a git repo19:36
sergiusensrsalveti: yeah I know... just wondering if we should move stuff around19:37
rsalvetiwhat would be the right location?19:37
sergiusensrsalveti: not doing right now fwiw19:37
rsalvetiright, yeah19:37
sergiusensrsalveti: frameworks/base/data/sounds/effects19:37
sergiusensrsalveti: not to worry for now19:37
rsalvetisergiusens: oh, ok19:37
moocow1452sergiunsens, where do I find that?19:37
sergiusensmoocow1452: the path is in your pastebin19:37
kdubso this is where everyone hangs out now...19:37
sergiusenskdub: welcome to the party!19:38
moocow1452sergiusens. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5716872/19:39
moocow1452There was another place?19:39
moocow1452where we were supposed to hang out.19:39
* sergiusens wonders why he needs to login to download as text from pastebin19:43
moocow1452incognito mode seems to allow access okay for me, should I use the other pastebin?19:45
moocow1452sergiusens, http://pastebin.com/XJY2ejd919:47
sergiusensno, use ubuntu19:48
sergiusensI already have it19:48
moocow1452So, any ideas?19:49
sergiusensmoocow1452: use this commoncap http://paste.ubuntu.com/5716894/19:49
moocow1452K, it's building...19:50
moocow1452Thanks sergiusens, still building now, but it would of quit by now if the new file didn't solve anything.19:54
sergiusensmoocow1452: np19:58
mhall119sergiusens: who's working on the OSK code?20:00
sergiusensmhall119: tmoenicke20:01
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sergiusensrsalveti: I might as well just move to ubuntu/assets, makes it cleaner20:16
ChickenCutlassrsalveti: I a going to have to do the console over USB.  System keeps rebooting.20:21
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moocow1452Build is DONE!!20:29
sergiusensmoocow1452: good20:31
moocow1452Thanks sergiusnes, and everyone.20:31
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mhall119tedg: what package gives me Ubuntu.HUD in QML?21:02
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tedgmhall119, libhud-qt-qml21:03
mhall119tedg: why doesn't it use the qtdeclarative5-<foo>-plugin naming convention?21:04
tedgmhall119, No clue.  Sorry.21:04
mhall119ok, thanks21:05
sergiusensrsalveti: frameworks base patch is 385MB21:06
rsalvetisergiusens: lol21:07
siertanyone tried to install ubuntu phone on zte v889m?21:25
mhall119!devices | siert21:32
ubot5siert: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices21:32
mhall119siert: ^^ if it's not on that page, nobody's done anything with it yet21:32
siertmhall119: page doesn't exist? :s21:34
mhall119yes it does21:35
siertmhall119: hrmz, iterm seems to add the current time to the url when hitting it somehow, weird. see that it only lists nexus21:36
siertmhall119: any reference docs on howto get started experimenting with unsupported devices? :P21:36
mhall119siert: nexus is the only ones supported by Canonical, the rest are supported by community porters21:36
mhall119siert: see the "Working, but not available from cdimage.u.c" section21:36
mhall119of the "Work in progress" section21:37
mhall119siert: if you're interested in making it work on a device that it doesn't currently work on, there's a guide to doing that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting21:37
siertah great, thanks :)21:38
mhall119no problem, happy hacking :)21:38
sergiusensrsalveti: hey, do you see 3 files here: http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/patches/ ?21:46
sergiusensrsalveti: those are the patches21:46
rsalvetisergiusens: yup21:46
rsalvetisergiusens: ok, cool21:46
rsalvetisergiusens: will give them a try once I'm done with my builds21:46
sergiusensrsalveti: ok... you can start downloading now though :-)21:47
rsalvetihaha, sure21:47
sergiusensI deployed to my devices and check $OUT/system, seemed to be ok21:47
sergiusensrsalveti: lots more to trim though, but didn't want the mega patch any larger :-)21:47
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sergiusensrsalveti: going to see if I can remove the java req first21:47
rsalvetisergiusens: right, that's a start21:48
rsalvetiyeah, that's just used for the signing part21:48
rsalvetinot sure if that's indeed relevant21:48
sergiusensrsalveti: well, I'll analyze then see...21:48
rsalvetijust because once we switch our images we're probably not going to sign them anyway21:49
sergiusensrsalveti: never? not even for OTA?21:50
rsalvetisergiusens: not sure21:50
rsalvetijust a guess21:51
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Orangermhall119: Oranger: did you push it to the same branch?22:08
Orangermhall119: yes22:08
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mhall119Oranger: did you push or just commit?22:18
mhall119Oranger: because https://code.launchpad.net/~chocanto/ubuntu-docviewer-app/plainText is still at rev 322:18
Orangermhall119: Woops no sorry I pushed without commit x)22:18
mhall119no worries :)22:18
mhall119I've done that more times than I can remember22:18
Orangermhall119: Done ;)22:19
* mhall119 reads the README in ubuntu-docviewer-app :)22:20
Orangermhall119: good ^^22:24
Orangermhall119: Why your branch "package-fixes" is still in review ?22:37
mhall119Oranger: nobody's reviewed it yet?22:39
Orangeractually no22:40
Orangermhall119: it is stull proposing for merging22:40
TaranoshiHello, i was just wondering...what may be the average proce for a Ubuntu tablet?22:42
Orangermhall119: Because who are you waiting to review it ?23:03
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