[00:06] <andoriyu> hey, so it developer preview usable on daily basis?
[00:06] <RobbyF> correct.
[00:06] <RobbyF> oops, thought you said unusable
[00:06] <andoriyu> that is a shame
[00:07] <RobbyF> no data yet.
[00:07] <lilstevie> andoriyu it is only a preview at this stage
[00:07] <RobbyF> I suppose you could use it just for phone and basic browsing/gmail
[00:08] <andoriyu> is there any eta on when it goes public (i.e. first phone released) ?
[00:10] <RobbyF> since nobody is speaking i'll share what i think i know. phone can be used as a daily driver by 13.10 release (oct) and a year from now is expected phone release.
[00:11] <RobbyF> lots of growth and changes between now and then.
[00:12] <andoriyu> I see
[00:12] <RobbyF> some people are using it now as a daily device however. only using it in wifi areas ect.
[00:13] <andoriyu> I'm just thinking about buying nexus 4 just for ubuntu touch
[00:14] <RobbyF> I have a friend looking to sell one. canada only though
[00:19] <moocow1452> ?join #ubuntu
[00:19] <andoriyu> and that thing when you use phone as a pc is not yet available aslo?
[00:19] <andoriyu> also*
[00:20] <RobbyF> not yet available.
[00:21] <andoriyu> thanks
[00:36] <lilstevie> andoriyu desktop convergence is not planned to be included to 14.04
[00:37] <lilstevie> that last to should be until
[00:37] <andoriyu> I see
[00:53] <Kawobei_work> Hey I just loaded touch on a nexus 10
[00:53] <Kawobei_work> how do I make a user, I can only get into the guest account
[00:59] <mhall119> Kawobei_work: that may be all that's working right now
[00:59] <mhall119> a lot of functionality is using mock data for demonstration purposes
[00:59] <Kawobei_work> oh so we cant get to settings to add a hidden wireless network or anything
[00:59] <Kawobei_work> can only access the guest account is normal then?
[00:59] <mhall119> Kawobei_work: you can get to the terminal with a USB cable, then the sky's the limit
[01:00] <mhall119> but as far as the GUI goes, there's still a lot that's not finished
[01:00] <Kawobei_work> ok, sorry I thought it was alot further along
[01:01] <mhall119> Kawobei_work: some of it is, some of it isn't
[01:01] <mhall119> some of it is functional as far as the display and user interaction goes, but is populated with mock data until a working backend is made
[01:03] <Kawobei_work> ok, thank you.
[01:10] <jose__> hi
[01:12] <Kawobei_work> hi
[01:28] <moocow1452> Stuck on Uimage in my build. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5714772/
[03:11] <GTKoolAidSMan> Hey I was wondering if anyone knows how to create an android backup file
[06:02] <dholbach> good morning
[06:36] <alol> Hi! I can't install qt 5 qml particles on Nexus 7. I can't find the package with apt-cache. Does anybody know if it will be available anytime soon?
[08:17] <nsplit> i'm using a lxde the last year in my mobile&tablet
[08:18] <nsplit> but is not compiled with egl
[08:18] <nsplit> is this ubuntu version compiled with egl support? what about xorg+egl?
[08:22] <rsalveti> ogra_: http://phablet.ubuntu.com/export/
[08:23] <rsalveti> still building so not completely sure it's a working snapshot, but it should :-)
[08:23]  * rsalveti -> zzz
[08:29] <ogra_> rsalveti, wow, thanks !
[08:44] <nik90> mesq: we have an issue implementing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1163855
[08:44] <nik90> mesq: I have explained the problem in the bug report. Need design decision.
[08:51] <mesq> nik90: wow that's an interesting limitation
[08:52] <nik90> mesq: yeah I was suprised to read the official qml documentations to find this limitation
[08:52] <mesq> nik90: i'd say let's do 1/10 s then
[08:53] <mesq> nik90: that'd be the accuracy of manual timing anyway :)
[08:53] <mesq> nik90: but it's a shame because people are used to 1/100 s everywhere else
[08:53] <nik90> mesq: so then the format will be mm:ss:cs (01:50:80)
[08:54] <nik90> mesq: true, but maybe we will find something faster later
[08:54] <mesq> nik90: can we drop the last zero then, since it's not carrying any information?
[08:54] <nik90> mesq: yeah, u read my mind
[08:54] <mesq> nik90: i'll have a quick look at the layout. maybe the 1/10s could be in superscript / subscript or something. will have to see
[08:54] <mesq> nik90: :)
[08:55] <nik90> mesq: sure, let me know when you have decided on the final design look
[08:57] <mesq> nik90: i will look at it asap. thanks again!
[08:58] <nik90> mesq: np
[09:01] <alol> is it possible to get qt5 qml particles plugin on nexus 7 with ubuntu touch?
[09:21] <mzanetti> alol: did you try to "apt-cache search qtdeclarative5-particles-plugin" ?
[10:27] <afunix> Guys, does anyone happen to know if it is possible to bind C++ and QML code together on Ubuntu Phone?
[10:28] <afunix> QDeclarativeView is absent
[10:28] <afunix> QtQml is absent too..
[10:28] <nik90> afunix: it should definitely be possible by implementing a separate C++ plugin
[10:28] <nik90> afunix: for the ubuntu touch, we stick to qml, javascript
[10:28] <nik90> afunix: C++ is a last resort
[10:29] <afunix> nik90: but there is no documentation on that on wiki.ubuntu.com. All apps are pure QML
[10:29] <nik90> afunix: true. But these sample apps like have javascript in them
[10:29] <afunix> nik90: we're developing a kind of audio transmitter, so C++ is a must for performance
[10:29] <nik90> afunix: I personally do not know how to combine c++ with qml..but sure someone here will know
[10:37] <cking> is there a way to automate UI interactions on the N4 phablet so I can do some power / CPU / GPU monitoring  + analysis?
[10:44] <cking> apparently nobody knows
[10:57] <tsdgeos> cking: using autopilot?
[10:58] <cking> tsdgeos, i followed the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Autopilot, namely sudo apt-add-repository ppa:autopilot/ppa && sudo apt-get install libautopilot-qt python-autopilot
[10:58] <cking> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:58] <cking>  python-autopilot : Depends: python-qt4 but it is not going to be installed
[10:58] <cking> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[10:59] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ↑↑↑
[11:00] <cking> after a clean install, so it doesn't work cleanly "out of the box" so to speak
[11:07] <mzanetti> interesting...
[11:07] <mzanetti> cking: why is python-qt4 not going to be installed?
[11:09] <cking> mzanetti, not sure, let me do a clean install and try again and find what it says
[11:18] <cking> mzanetti, so clean phablet install on nexus4, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5715649/
[11:19] <cking> /etc/apt/sources.list has just deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ quantal main restricted universe multiverse
[11:20] <ogra_> look in sources.list.d
[11:20] <mzanetti> cking: oh... you're doing this on the phone?
[11:21] <cking> mzanetti, yep, so is this not possible on the phablet images yet?
[11:21] <mzanetti> cking: slightly too early to follow the howto then... its possible, but in that case you need autopilot-phablet instead of python-autopilot
[11:21] <mzanetti> cking: it should be in the same ppa too
[11:21] <cking> ahah
[11:21] <mzanetti> cking: still wouldn't explain the python-qt4 issue
[11:22] <mzanetti> well... probably it does. maybe we stripped autopilot-qt4 deps from the phablet one... can't remember
[11:22] <cking> indeed, no idea why I'm getting that, I'm just a H/W hacker
[11:23] <mzanetti> cking: you will most likely hit some more smaller issues. however, I'm here to help if you want
[11:23] <cking> ok, /me will retry with autopilot-phablet in a mo
[11:27] <jounih> is there any way to see which build I have on a device?
[11:29] <mzanetti> jounih: cat /system/quantal-ubuntu_stamp | head
[11:33] <jounih> awesome. thanks zanetti
[11:53] <cking> mzanetti, so are there any available phablet GUI tests available?
[11:53] <mzanetti> cking: check out camera-app-autopilot
[11:53] <cking> ack
[11:53] <mzanetti> cking: actually all of the apps have a -autopilot package and all of them *should* run on the phone too
[11:54] <mzanetti> cking: at least they a month ago when I last tried.
[11:54] <cking> mzanetti, so these tests should be in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/autopilot/tests ?
[11:55] <mzanetti> cking: no. in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/<appname>
[11:55] <cking> ah, got it
[11:58] <cking>  mzanetti, can't seem to find a camera-app-autopilot anywhere, I suspect I must be missing some more packages
[11:59] <mzanetti> cking:
[11:59] <mzanetti> phablet@localhost:~$ apt-cache search camera-app
[11:59] <mzanetti> camera-app - Camera application
[11:59] <mzanetti> camera-app-autopilot - Test package for the camera app
[12:00] <mzanetti> cking: on a freshly flashed phone
[12:00] <mzanetti> cking: did you apt-get update?
[12:00] <cking> ok - didn't know the name of it, this is a bit like playing with lego w/o being able to see the bricks or know what they are called ;-)
[12:02] <cking> mzanetti, I just get camera-app and not camera-app-autopilot
[12:02] <mzanetti> cking: cat /system/quantal-ubuntu_stamp | head
[12:03] <cking> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5715727/
[12:14] <mzanetti> cking: hmm... looks good
[12:14]  * cking grabs some lunch, back in a mo
[12:15] <mzanetti> cking: do you have a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/phablet-team-ppa-quantal.list ?
[12:15] <mzanetti> +1 on the lunch
[12:15] <cking> mzanetti, I do have that
[12:15]  * cking --> food
[12:23] <ricklandman> Hello
[12:23] <ricklandman> just popping in while wondering if it is finally time for me to hit the smartphone band wagon.
[12:24] <ricklandman> I want to have a smartphone with linux on top.
[12:24] <ricklandman> don't need it for telephony
[12:24] <ricklandman> internet is not necessary but would be fine
[12:24] <ricklandman> I am wellknown to linux/ubuntu but don't have time for testing and finetuning.
[12:24] <ricklandman> Any suggestions what is the easiest/fastest way to get started ?
[12:25] <mzanetti> ricklandman: if you just want to use it its probably still too early for you...
[12:27] <mzanetti> ricklandman: however, if you still want to give it a shot, you can install it on any of those devices: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[12:29] <ricklandman> mzanetti: thanks. and the four upper ones are the 'easiest' ?
[12:30] <mzanetti> ricklandman: yes. given you have an ubuntu machine, installing is just 1 command
[12:31] <ricklandman> these are all legacy models ?
[12:31] <mzanetti> ricklandman: for the others you need to download 2 files, "adb push" them to the device manually and use the devices bootloader to flash
[12:32] <ricklandman> mzanetti: okay that's not to difficult also
[12:32] <sergiusens> mzanetti: you can now phablet-network-setup -i && phablet-test-run -i -c camera-app-autopilot camera_app
[12:32] <mzanetti> ricklandman: no its not... what you mean with legacy devices?
[12:33] <mzanetti> sergiusens: the problem with cking is rather that the ppa doesn't seem to work
[12:33] <sergiusens> mzanetti: which ppa?
[12:33] <ricklandman> legacy=not for sale in regular shop
[12:33] <ricklandman> anymore
[12:33] <mzanetti> sergiusens: phablet-team/ppa
[12:33] <sergiusens> ricklandman: the nexus 10 is not for sale anymore?
[12:33] <mzanetti> renato: the Nexus 4 for example is brand new
[12:34] <mzanetti> ricklandman: ^^ (sorry renato)
[12:34] <ricklandman> okay, so I can make decission between new or secondhand. thans
[12:38] <sergiusens> mzanetti: cking python-qt4 is in main, shouldn't be a problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/5715801/
[12:38] <sergiusens> mzanetti: also, the phablet-autopilot that has the latest fix is in ppa:phablet-team/tools
[12:40] <sil2100> didrocks: qtubuntu-cameraplugin-fake already has a bootstrapping commit so we're fine here
[12:40] <didrocks> sil2100: sweet! :)
[12:41] <sil2100> armhf qt5 with the sqlite<->mysql should be built soon as well
[12:43] <mzanetti> sergiusens: yeah... he can't install camera-app-autopilot as its unknown to his apt for some reason
[12:45] <sergiusens> mzanetti: hmmm... didn't get that part... well cking is lunching anyways, you said you were going to too :-P
[12:45] <mzanetti> sergiusens: my fridge is empty... I'll skip it
[12:46] <ogra_> you could go shopping then :)
[12:46] <mzanetti> sergiusens: no... spring has finally arrived I want to go biking later which doesn't fit with a full stomach. I'll eat afterwards
[12:50] <sergiusens> mzanetti: heh... we are getting into a nice fall here.. was tired of the heat!
[12:50] <mzanetti> sergiusens: it just didn't stop snowing this year... last weekend it finally turned around.
[12:52] <doomlord> " I'll start with the punchline: If you're writing a function that can be implemented as either a member or as a non-friend non-member, you should prefer to implement it as a non-member function. That decision increases class encapsulation. When you think encapsulation, you should think non-member functions." <<<< NAIL/HEAD
[12:53] <doomlord> ^^^^ sorry wrong channel
[12:53] <doomlord> ranting about C++ functions v methods somewhere
[12:56] <mhall119> well that sounds thrilling
[12:56] <slacka-hacka> Hi, when does the Ubuntu Touch Anonymous Clinic start ? I've got severe withdrawal symptoms :(
[12:57] <mhall119> slacka-hacka: starts now
[12:57] <mhall119> though I don't know where you got the Anonymous part
[12:57] <slacka-hacka> :)
[12:58] <slacka-hacka> I could really do with knowing what is the cheapest way of getting up and running. I can't quite stretch to a Nexus 7
[13:00] <mhall119> you can run Ubuntu SDK apps on Ubuntu desktop
[13:00] <mhall119> you don't need a device
[13:00]  * tvoss looks for the doctor
[13:01] <popey> The Doctor is [IN |  ]
[13:01] <mterry> mzanetti, are you working on general welcome screen stuff?  i.e. if I assign the pin entry work to you, that wouldn't be unexpected?
[13:01] <mhall119> slacka-hacka: see http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ for instructions on getting the SDK up and running
[13:01] <slacka-hacka> mhall119: Thanks yes... I've been doing that and created a few apps in qtcreator but realistically I want to use muti touch gestures
[13:01] <mzanetti> mterry: I think thats ok... but we should clarify with kgunn
[13:02] <mhall119> slacka-hacka: ah, for that you'll need a device
[13:02] <mzanetti> mterry: just the frontend?
[13:02] <mhall119> or wait until we have a device emulator (though I don't even know if an emulator would let you simulate multi-touch)
[13:02] <slacka-hacka> popey - Please prescribe me a Nexus 7 so I can develop :(
[13:02] <slacka-hacka> :)
[13:02] <mhall119> slacka-hacka: I don't think your insurance will cover it :)
[13:03] <mterry> mzanetti, I suppose so.  I imagine the backend will be a no-op (just set a password of 4 digits for the user)
[13:03] <tvoss> slacka-hacka, I'm curious, what gestures would you be interested in? pinch-to-zoom?
[13:03] <popey> hah slacka-hacka ☻
[13:03] <mhall119> slacka-hacka: luckily, there are a number of generic brands you can choose from: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[13:03] <slacka-hacka> mhall119: I'm trying to rsync the fs from quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf on a lesser tablet
[13:03] <mhall119> bah, wrong link
[13:03] <mhall119> slacka-hacka: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working.2C_but_not_available_from_cdimage.u.c
[13:03]  * ogra_ proposes wave to suspend ... buttwiggle to mail 
[13:04] <cking> mzanetti, back from lunch now
[13:04] <slacka-hacka> tvoss: all of them ! I'd like to see how far we can push this :)
[13:04] <mzanetti> mterry: lets discuss in #ubuntu-unity in a bit when kgunn appears
[13:05] <kgunn> mzanetti: mterry ack....got a call right now...will come back in about 30
[13:05] <tvoss> slacka-hacka, just to clarify: it is likely that some gestures will be consumed by the shell :)
[13:05] <mhall119> alright, any other developers here for the Ubuntu Touch Clinic/
[13:06] <mhall119> ?
[13:06] <slacka-hacka> thanks mhall119 .... Oh it's Michael it's it ? ;) @shaf here :p
[13:06] <popey> mhall119: have updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Meetings but it looks horrid with all those navigation menus, suggestions welcome!
[13:06] <mhall119> popey: kill it with fire?
[13:06] <popey> s/suggestions/useful\ suggestions/
[13:07] <slacka-hacka> tvoss: kernel uevent on touch should be still available even on a console
[13:07] <cking> mzanetti, perhaps a simple recipe of what to run from a clean install on a N4 is required so I can see what I'm missing
[13:07] <mhall119> popey: we probably don't need the core apps header
[13:07] <mhall119> though that would lead to one-way navigation :(
[13:08] <mzanetti> cking: phablet-flash -l && phablet-network-setup -i && ssh phablet@<device> sudo apt-get update && ssh phablet@<device> sudo apt-get install camera-app-autopilot
[13:09] <popey> ooh, i didnt know about phablet-network-setup
[13:09] <cking> popey, it's bound to be on a wiki somewhere ;-)
[13:09] <popey> we need a better hostname for devices than localhost
[13:09] <popey> ssh phablet@<device> would be easier then
[13:09] <popey> maybe we could have a randomly generated hostname, that can't possibly go wrong can it achiang
[13:10] <tvoss> slacka-hacka, sure
[13:11] <slacka-hacka> btw gents ... when do you anticipate a launch ?
[13:12] <popey> "next year" is the standard answer.
[13:14] <slacka-hacka> it really looks good thus far popey. I was hoping for sooner :o
[13:15] <mhall119> popey: I cleaned up the style of the navigation a bit
[13:15] <mhall119> slacka-hacka: if you want it sooner, go tell all the sales-folk at your wireless stores that you want to buy one from them
[13:16] <slacka-hacka> sorry about this... Is there a way of sending touch gestures from say a galaxy to ubuntu ? I tried building splashtop but the source leaves much to be desired
[13:17] <alol> mzanetti: yes, it finds nothing.
[13:17] <slacka-hacka> mhall119: Yep. going to bite the bullet and get a nexus... can't risk flashing the galaxy to ubuntu touch
[13:17] <nik90> hi popey, mhall119
[13:18] <popey> hey nik90
[13:18] <mhall119> slacka-hacka: I'm not sure I understand, you want to pass touch gestures from a galaxy phone to an Ubuntu desktop?
[13:18] <mhall119> or to Ubuntu Touch running on the device?
[13:18] <slacka-hacka> mhall119: yes.... unfortunately the device I have running ubuntu has a broken touch interface :(
[13:18] <mhall119> oh
[13:19] <kgunn> mzanetti: mterry what's up?....seems lack of google access freeing me up to discuss
[13:19] <mhall119> physically broken, or just not working with Ubuntu?
[13:20] <slacka-hacka> yes a big OH indeed (yes physical) :( What started out as a simple project has now great potential with touch because the device has full gl
[13:21] <slacka-hacka> I would like to see how UT performs on a lesser device... anyway I'll rsync phablet and try to get it up
[13:21] <mhall119> sergiusens: how are we looking today for freezing the quantal builds and switching to raring?
[13:22] <mterry> kgunn, I was just asking mzanetti if he was the person to go to with some welcome screen work items like the pin entry
[13:22] <sergiusens> mhall119: the two stopper bugs haven't been fixed yet
[13:22] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: should we do the call for test on raring anyways?
[13:23] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: first we should work on opening up the bug lists?
[13:24] <mzanetti> alol: I lost the context
[13:25] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: ok, lets do that! Do you want me to start migrating the bugs as discussed?
[13:26] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: lets make a plan
[13:26] <pmcgowan> we can open then take time to migrate I suppose
[13:27] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: so first the bug list, then comes raring?
[13:27] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: I was thinking we need a place to file the issues from the testing, and if we are offically calling for the tests. its time
[13:29] <slacka-hacka> thanks gents... keep up the great work
[13:29] <nik90> mhall119: is there a way to obtain the gps latitude and longitude of user location on the phone?
[13:30] <popey> nik90: that's work in progress
[13:30] <nik90> popey: oh ok..alrite in the case, I will the UI and leave placeholders for the API
[13:31] <nik90> I meant I will finish the UI and leave placeholders for the API
[13:33] <brunogirin> popey: what's the status of the bluetooth stack?
[13:33] <mhall119> nik90: I believe that upstream Qt provides APIs for that, but it's not working yet in Ubuntu Touch
[13:34] <nik90> mhall119: yeah I read about Qt Location API, however it requires a position source. That info needs to be provided by some package in ubuntu I guess
[13:35] <mhall119> nik90: yeah, there's various sources that can be used, GPS, geoip, etc
[13:37] <mhall119> nik90: there appears to be QML plugins for it too: http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility/qml-location-plugin.html
[13:39] <nik90> mhall119: I was actually referring to that. I will use the Qml Coordinate with some demo data until we wait for the position source to be available
[13:41] <nik90> mhall119: found more info at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21614/client-1303-location-service/
[13:42] <jounih> anyone know if Ubuntu Touch will support access to external media via USB?
[13:42] <mhall119> jounih: reading or playback?
[13:42] <jounih> read/write
[13:43] <mhall119> I don't see why not
[13:45] <slacka-hacka> quick question... is UTs / filesystem ext4 ? Cheers
[13:45] <jounih> would be cool if running a Touch phone/tablet in desktop mode you could plug in external SSD/HD. I guess bus powering might be an issue though
[13:45] <mhall119> yeah, if it has external power than it should work fine
[13:46] <jounih> does it work already or something for the future?
[13:46] <ogra_> note that most phones wont charge if their USB bus is in OTG mode
[13:46] <mhall119> ogra_: can you answer slacka-hacka's westion about filesystem?
[13:46] <ogra_> so you might run into battery issues doing such stuff
[13:46]  * mhall119 doesn't have his N7 near by to check
[13:47] <ogra_> slacka-hacka, yep, ext4 ... likely to become squashfs for some parts later though
[13:47] <slacka-hacka> thanks ogra_
[13:47] <aquarius> I have a question :) What's the plan for being able to cache a downloaded thing? Music, images, etc? I can of course store binaries in U1Db or LocalStorage, but that's not really what they're for
[13:47] <mhall119> ogra_: what about that new filesystem optimized for flash storage?
[13:48] <ogra_> mhall119, well, kernel patches acceptedm feel free :)
[13:48] <mhall119> ogra_: yeah, taking kernel patches from me would be a bad idea
[13:48] <highvoltage> samsung's filesystem? I think xnox was taking a look at that
[13:48] <ogra_> (we use outdated kernels due to the android layer)
[13:49] <jounih> what about other USB peripherals, anyone tested usb keyboards/mice with desktop ubuntu on n7?
[13:49] <mhall119> aquarius: are you more interested in manually writing to local files, or having the SDK auto-cache behind the scenes?
[13:49] <ogra_> (and often enough completely different versions on a per device base ... so every kernel patch we add is costly)
[13:49] <MonkeyDust> what's the price of a ubuntu tablet, in any given country?
[13:49] <mhall119> jounih: I've done it with the desktop N7 image
[13:49] <jounih> works ok?
[13:49] <mhall119> MonkeyDust: there isn't one being sold with Ubuntu yet
[13:49] <mhall119> jounih: yup, exactly as you'd expect it to
[13:49] <jounih> awesome
[13:49] <MonkeyDust> mhall119 ok
[13:50] <aquarius> mhall119, ideally the SDK would provide a CachingAudio object and so on. However, in the absence of that, I can build it myself if I need to (and that gives good ammunition to pleas to include it in the SDK!) if I can write to the filesystem, which I currently cannot.
[13:50] <jounih> is n7 usb2 or 3?
[13:50] <aquarius> I'd very much like to see a CachingAudio object.
[13:50] <alol> mzanetti: I want to use qt5 qml particles, but cannot on Nexus 7. package is not installed, and I cannot ifnd it with apt-cache.
[13:50] <xnox> mhall119: the f2fs is interesting but (a) requires updated kernel (b) doesn't have fsck (c) doesn't help with snapshot based upgrades.
[13:50] <xnox> highvoltage: thanks for highlight.
[13:50] <xnox> mhall119: similar story with nilfs
[13:51] <mhall119> xnox: thanks for the update, glad it's being investigated at least
[13:51] <xnox> btrfs was proposed as well, but it still doesn't deliver the promised unicorns =)
[13:52] <ogra_> btrfs and SD cards (or eMMCs) dont really like each other
[13:52] <ogra_> its slow as molasses (at least it was last time i looked about a year ago... might have changed)
[13:53] <ogra_> ext4 is currently still the best option
[13:53] <slacka-hacka> would prefer to stop rsyslog && log to to /dev/ram instead tbh
[13:53]  * popey hugs btrfs and covers it's ears
[13:53] <highvoltage> xnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxxnoxx
[13:53] <popey> highvoltage: I agree.
[13:53] <mhall119> someone's happy to see you
[13:54] <xnox> highvoltage: strangely none of that highlighted me =)
[13:54] <mhall119> lol
[13:54] <highvoltage> That makes me feel like such a failure :(
[13:54] <xnox> popey: it's ok, it comes with complementary disaster recovery counselling.
[13:54] <aquarius> I think that's the final game list for the world championship of eight-dimensional tic-tac-toe, right?
[13:54] <popey> pfffft
[13:55] <slacka-hacka> time for the moment of truth.... brb
[13:59] <slacka-hacka> well it worked but no UT desktop ...
[14:00] <ogra_> slacka-hacka, logging to /dev/ram means you eat your memory ...
[14:00] <mhall119> crunchy
[14:00] <ogra_> imagine a process that spills log lines like crazy ...
[14:01] <slacka-hacka> ogra_: true. Don't log much then :) The first linux system I built has 64meg of flash for the OS and 128meg for ram. I was logging in ram :o Get lean and mean boys
[14:02] <ogra_> haha
[14:02] <ogra_> i wish we could
[14:02] <ogra_> but there is that convergence story ...
[14:02] <slacka-hacka> OK so UT is up ... what init process forks the desktop ?
[14:02] <ogra_> i agree that logging needs to be cut down on phones
[14:03] <ogra_> but the tool doing the logging should be the same on desktop and phone ...
[14:03] <ogra_> (thats true for everything in the converged world)
[14:04] <slacka-hacka> OMG #iFail ... what's the default username and password ?
[14:04] <ogra_> phablet/phablet
[14:04] <slacka-hacka> thank you .... will give it a try
[14:04] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1cj69e/building_an_ubuntu_sdk_app_rev_8/ upvotes welcome
[14:06] <popey> sergiusens: is the raring build available to install?
[14:06] <ogra_> popey, it is on cdimage
[14:07] <ogra_> usual place
[14:07] <ogra_> use the manual install instructions from the wiki ...
[14:07] <popey> does phablet-flash have an option/switch for it?
[14:07] <ogra_> no
[14:07] <mhall119> ogra_: are we going to need an update to phablet-tools to allow it to download and install raring images?
[14:07] <didrocks> mhall119: hey, I didn't check the tutorial, but is it updated now with latest sdk?
[14:07] <ogra_> it will just download raring by default once it is safe to do so
[14:08] <ogra_> until then the brave can use the manual methdd
[14:08] <ogra_> *method
[14:08] <mhall119> didrocks: not yet, they changed the templates again in response to a problem I was having
[14:08] <ogra_> (and i also suspect raring wont survive more than 4 weeks, we'll then switch to S very soon)
[14:08] <didrocks> mhall119: ok, do you know when it will be online with the new version?
[14:09] <didrocks> ogra_: you are so optimistic :)
[14:09] <ogra_> didrocks, well ... we have to
[14:09] <didrocks> ogra_: too much emotion ;-)
[14:09] <ogra_> i just like to keep my job :P
[14:09] <mhall119> didrocks: I'll give it another look today
[14:09] <didrocks> mhall119: thanks!
[14:09] <didrocks> ogra_: ahah
[14:09] <popey> I'm having problems installing python-qt4 (required by autopilot) on the device.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5716023
[14:10] <sil2100> jhodapp: ping, are you around?
[14:11] <jhodapp> sil2100: one min
[14:12] <sil2100> ACK
[14:14] <mzanetti> alol: I have it here as libqt5quickparticles5 (which seems a bit odd indeed but will get renamed at some point I guess)
[14:14] <slacka-hacka> so I need a ubuntu-session .conf You've got stuff like px density in there... Any manpages around ?
[14:15] <jhodapp> sil2100: ok
[14:15] <jhodapp> sil2100: what's up?
[14:17]  * popey files bug 1169985
[14:20] <sil2100> jhodapp: hi!
[14:20] <jhodapp> sil2100: hey
[14:20] <sil2100> jhodapp: I noticed that qtubuntu-camera has no integration tests - is there anyone working on adding those?
[14:21] <jhodapp> sil2100: not sure, I'd check with gusch as he's the eng lead for that backend
[14:22] <jhodapp> sil2100: I'm sure the plan is the add them over time though, it's just not been added yet
[14:23] <slacka-hacka> anyone fancy helping me get ubuntu-session up ? :)
[14:27] <sil2100> jhodapp: thanks! Give me a sign once you know anything ;)
[14:27] <sil2100> If you're busy I can poke gusch as well
[14:28] <jhodapp> sil2100: sure, I'd recommend still asking gusch though to see what he's thinking
[14:28] <alol> mzanetti: Oddly, apt-cache search libqt5quickparticles5 gives me nothing :/
[14:28] <sil2100> Will do
[14:30] <sergiusens> popey: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/using-phablet-tools-to-install-raring-image.html
[14:31] <sergiusens> popey: you cannot install autopilot? hmmm, let me work on instructions... I'm doing it nightly
[14:32] <popey> thanks sergiusens
[14:34] <slacka-hacka> all I need to calculate is my GRID_UNIT_PX
[14:48] <slacka-hacka> Now I see why no one volunteered to help. Android dependencies :s
[14:54] <sil2100> gusch: ping
[14:55] <slacka-hacka> Failling back. This is not going to work... thanks for the input chaps
[15:49] <dpm> hi mmrazik, around?
[15:50] <dpm> It seems that Jenkins is not autolanding branches for the RSS Reader app
[15:57] <jounih> i'm trying to flash but get "Not enough space in /data, found 3.6G" - any ideas?
[16:05] <mmrazik> dpm: I know. I will have a look later today. There is something really broken with that canonistack instance as I can't put it back online
[16:05] <mmrazik> I fear I will have to recreate it
[16:06] <dpm> mmrazik, bummer :/ - thanks a lot for looking into it nevertheless
[16:09] <sergiusens> jounih: you can clear out whatever you have in /data a bit... or
[16:10] <sergiusens> jounih: or disable device validation... but now that I see. It's a settings.py thing, not a runtime option...
[16:11]  * sergiusens will fix that
[16:13] <jounih> cool thanks :)
[16:16] <didrocks> sergiusens: rsalveti pmcgowan: FYI, just enabled bug listing in daily, so next time some components pass tests, you should see them listed :)
[16:18] <sergiusens> didrocks: ty!
[16:18] <didrocks> yw ;)
[16:54] <Oranger> mhall119: I just pushed a branch in the project, it is just able to open a plain text actually
[16:54] <mhall119> Oranger: awesome!  Can you take a screenshot of that?
[16:56] <Oranger> mhall119: Of what ? Of my branch ? ^^
[16:56] <mhall119> of the app with the file open
[16:56] <Oranger> oh yes sure ! :)
[16:57] <Oranger> (I have to find a cool plain test to open ahah)
[16:58] <mhall119> just a hello world text file would do
[17:03] <Oranger> mhall119: Ok i'm uploading
[17:05] <Oranger> mhall119: http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/394820Capturedu20130417190142.png
[17:05] <mhall119> Oranger: also, could you give me some instructions on how to build and use the launcher?
[17:06] <mhall119> keeping in mind that I know almost nothing about C++
[17:06] <Oranger> mhall119: http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/245605Capturedu20130417190209.png
[17:07] <Oranger> mhall119: Oh yes the README... I'll add it later
[17:08] <Oranger> mhall119: So actually to buil the launcher you have to get qtCreator, launch the *.pro file un launcher/src then click on "build"
[17:08] <mhall119> thanks
[17:09] <Oranger> mhall119: I saw in some blog and website that a lot of core-apps are mentionned but not docviewer, why ?
[17:10] <mhall119> Oranger: until your branch, nothing had been done on it :)
[17:10] <mhall119> Now I can start talking about it
[17:10] <Oranger> mhall119: Yes.. that's true ^^
[17:10] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/u/0/109919666334513536939/posts/33GC7V7ju8Z
[17:12] <mhall119> rickspencer3: http://www.iloveubuntu.net/meet-fingerpaint-captivating-ubuntu-sdk-based-app-created-20-minutes
[17:12] <Oranger> mhall119: I have a lot of ideas but the SDK is really poor.. I hope the team will improve it fastly
[17:13] <mhall119> Oranger: they are
[17:14] <mhall119> Oranger: remember that the SDK is only a few months old
[17:14] <Oranger> mhall119: Yes I know, how many are they working on it ?
[17:15] <mhall119> well it's spread across multiple teams actually, those doing the UI components, those doing the device integration, those doing the Ubuntu Touch version of Unity, those doing libraries like U1DB, Friends, etc
[17:15] <rickspencer3> mhall119, wow, I am so *the man* lol
[17:15] <rickspencer3> Oranger, I think the SDK is really good!
[17:15] <mhall119> rickspencer3: now if only it didn't make the N7 go all wonky
[17:15] <rickspencer3> I mean, QML is pretty mature
[17:15] <Oranger> ricklandman: QML yes, but ubuntu-ui not ;)
[17:15] <rickspencer3> and the Ubuntu Components are coming along nicely
[17:16] <rickspencer3> well, I guess I am biased ;)
[17:16] <Oranger> I need to use some painting tools, but i'm not sure I can do it with QML alone...
[17:16] <ogra_> not only the components, the core too :P
[17:16] <WebVisitor-8> quick question
[17:16] <WebVisitor-8> how do i access settings
[17:17] <Oranger> ogra_: You are right ^^
[17:17] <WebVisitor-8> installed on my nexus 10
[17:17] <ogra_> :)
[17:17] <WebVisitor-8> cant find settings
[17:17] <WebVisitor-8> wierd
[17:17] <ogra_> beyond whats in the indicators in the top panel there are no settings yet
[17:17] <mhall119> WebVisitor-8: there isn't a settings UI right now, asside from the indicators at the top
[17:17] <WebVisitor-8> ah
[17:18] <WebVisitor-8> so you cant create a different user?
[17:18] <ogra_> there are designs and i think people are working on implementation already
[17:18] <mhall119> you probably can from the command-line, but I don't know if the greeter is fully working to let you switch yet
[17:18] <ogra_> but nothing thats done yet
[17:18] <WebVisitor-8> looks nice but back to the might Android I go!
[17:18] <WebVisitor-8> thank you
[17:18] <WebVisitor-8> !
[17:18] <ogra_> :)
[17:18] <ogra_> come back though !
[17:18] <WebVisitor-8> will do
[17:18] <mhall119> WebVisitor-8: we're catching up quickly
[17:19] <mhall119> it won't be long before it's ready to be a daily driver for early adopters
[17:19] <ogra_> to late :)
[17:19] <ogra_> he's gone
[17:19] <mhall119> :P
[17:19] <mhall119> that's for prosperity then
[17:19] <mhall119> so I can either praise my prophetic abilities, or eat my words
[17:20]  * mhall119 really hopes for the former
[17:22] <Oranger> mhall119: I made a README, I hope I have not made ​​mistakes ^^'
[17:25] <mhall119> Oranger: did you push it to the same branch?
[17:35] <boiko> fginther: hi, mzanetti told me you are the one taking care of CI/autolanding for community apps, is that correct?
[17:41] <mzanetti> boiko: fginther: I'm assuming that because of this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+members#active
[17:44] <fginther> boiko, yes, I help with that
[17:48] <boiko> fginther: great! so, it seems autolanding is not running for the calculator app (or there is something else broken somewhere)
[17:48] <boiko> fginther: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-calculator-app/package-fixes/+merge/158482
[17:49] <boiko> fginther: I approved this MR yesterday and it is still not merged
[17:50] <fginther> bioko, the server is down and we've had issues getting it back up. We're in the process of rebuilding it, but I don't have an ETA. Hopefully today.
[17:51] <mhall119> fginther: sounds like fun
[17:51] <fginther> mhall119, is there a preferred method for broadcasting these server outages?
[17:51] <mhall119> fginther: there's a mailing list for the core apps, that's probably the best place
[17:52] <fginther> mhall119, thanks
[17:52] <mhall119> fginther: ubuntu-touch-coreapps@lists.launchpad.net
[17:52] <fginther> mhall119, thanks again
[17:53] <mhall119> np
[17:58] <boiko> fginther: ok, no problems, I was just wondering if it was a config issue or something like that, but if it is just a matter of getting the service up again, then I'm fine waiting
[17:58] <fginther> boiko, thanks for checking, sometimes I don't notice until someone pings me
[18:02] <mpt> Just posted "Security & Privacy" wireframes (no spec text yet): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone
[18:07] <mhall119> mpt: is that going to be an app or an indicator?
[19:05] <moocow1452> Can anyone make heads or tails of this. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5716685/ Looks like Kernel flags but I want to be sure.
[19:31] <sergiusens> boiko: hey regarding the ringer sound, where are you getting it from?
[19:31] <boiko> sergiusens: ubuntu-sounds I think, let me double check
[19:32] <moocow1452> Anyone good at making the system?
[19:32] <sergiusens> boiko: so it's not from the android tree... that's all I want to make sure of, since I'm removing all those things from there
[19:32] <boiko> sergiusens: nope, not from android
[19:33] <sergiusens> boiko: hawsome
[19:33] <sergiusens> :-)
[19:34] <rsalveti> sergiusens: guess only the camera sound is from android
[19:34] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yup...
[19:35] <sergiusens> rsalveti: so I might migrate the .mk to use the assets, or migrate the asset to the right location since we don't need it in bzr/patch, that is sort of an old mechanism :-)
[19:36] <sergiusens> moocow1452: show me your commoncap.c
[19:36] <sergiusens> pastebinit
[19:36] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sorry, but the asset is already available via a git repo
[19:37] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah I know... just wondering if we should move stuff around
[19:37] <rsalveti> what would be the right location?
[19:37] <sergiusens> rsalveti: not doing right now fwiw
[19:37] <rsalveti> right, yeah
[19:37] <sergiusens> rsalveti: frameworks/base/data/sounds/effects
[19:37] <sergiusens> rsalveti: not to worry for now
[19:37] <rsalveti> sergiusens: oh, ok
[19:37] <moocow1452> sergiunsens, where do I find that?
[19:37] <rsalveti> good
[19:37] <sergiusens> moocow1452: the path is in your pastebin
[19:37] <kdub> so this is where everyone hangs out now...
[19:38] <sergiusens> kdub: welcome to the party!
[19:39] <moocow1452> sergiusens. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5716872/
[19:39] <moocow1452> There was another place?
[19:39] <moocow1452> where we were supposed to hang out.
[19:43]  * sergiusens wonders why he needs to login to download as text from pastebin
[19:45] <moocow1452> incognito mode seems to allow access okay for me, should I use the other pastebin?
[19:47] <moocow1452> sergiusens, http://pastebin.com/XJY2ejd9
[19:48] <sergiusens> no, use ubuntu
[19:48] <sergiusens> I already have it
[19:49] <moocow1452> So, any ideas?
[19:49] <sergiusens> moocow1452: use this commoncap http://paste.ubuntu.com/5716894/
[19:50] <moocow1452> K, it's building...
[19:54] <moocow1452> Thanks sergiusens, still building now, but it would of quit by now if the new file didn't solve anything.
[19:58] <sergiusens> moocow1452: np
[20:00] <mhall119> sergiusens: who's working on the OSK code?
[20:01] <sergiusens> mhall119: tmoenicke
[20:02] <mhall119> thanks
[20:16] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I might as well just move to ubuntu/assets, makes it cleaner
[20:21] <ChickenCutlass> rsalveti: I a going to have to do the console over USB.  System keeps rebooting.
[20:29] <moocow1452> Build is DONE!!
[20:31] <sergiusens> moocow1452: good
[20:31] <moocow1452> Thanks sergiusnes, and everyone.
[21:02] <mhall119> tedg: what package gives me Ubuntu.HUD in QML?
[21:03] <tedg> mhall119, libhud-qt-qml
[21:04] <mhall119> thanks
[21:04] <mhall119> tedg: why doesn't it use the qtdeclarative5-<foo>-plugin naming convention?
[21:04] <tedg> mhall119, No clue.  Sorry.
[21:05] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[21:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: frameworks base patch is 385MB
[21:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: lol
[21:25] <siert> anyone tried to install ubuntu phone on zte v889m?
[21:32] <mhall119> !devices | siert
[21:32] <mhall119> siert: ^^ if it's not on that page, nobody's done anything with it yet
[21:34] <siert> mhall119: page doesn't exist? :s
[21:35] <mhall119> what?
[21:35] <mhall119> yes it does
[21:36] <siert> mhall119: hrmz, iterm seems to add the current time to the url when hitting it somehow, weird. see that it only lists nexus
[21:36] <siert> mhall119: any reference docs on howto get started experimenting with unsupported devices? :P
[21:36] <mhall119> siert: nexus is the only ones supported by Canonical, the rest are supported by community porters
[21:36] <mhall119> siert: see the "Working, but not available from cdimage.u.c" section
[21:37] <mhall119> of the "Work in progress" section
[21:37] <mhall119> siert: if you're interested in making it work on a device that it doesn't currently work on, there's a guide to doing that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[21:38] <siert> ah great, thanks :)
[21:38] <mhall119> no problem, happy hacking :)
[21:46] <sergiusens> rsalveti: hey, do you see 3 files here: http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/patches/ ?
[21:46] <sergiusens> rsalveti: those are the patches
[21:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yup
[21:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: ok, cool
[21:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: will give them a try once I'm done with my builds
[21:47] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ok... you can start downloading now though :-)
[21:47] <rsalveti> haha, sure
[21:47] <sergiusens> I deployed to my devices and check $OUT/system, seemed to be ok
[21:47] <sergiusens> rsalveti: lots more to trim though, but didn't want the mega patch any larger :-)
[21:47] <sergiusens> rsalveti: going to see if I can remove the java req first
[21:48] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, that's a start
[21:48] <rsalveti> yeah, that's just used for the signing part
[21:48] <rsalveti> not sure if that's indeed relevant
[21:48] <sergiusens> rsalveti: well, I'll analyze then see...
[21:49] <rsalveti> ok
[21:49] <rsalveti> just because once we switch our images we're probably not going to sign them anyway
[21:50] <sergiusens> rsalveti: never? not even for OTA?
[21:50] <rsalveti> sergiusens: not sure
[21:51] <rsalveti> just a guess
[22:08] <Oranger> mhall119: Oranger: did you push it to the same branch?
[22:08] <Oranger> mhall119: yes
[22:18] <mhall119> Oranger: did you push or just commit?
[22:18] <mhall119> Oranger: because https://code.launchpad.net/~chocanto/ubuntu-docviewer-app/plainText is still at rev 3
[22:18] <Oranger> mhall119: Woops no sorry I pushed without commit x)
[22:18] <mhall119> no worries :)
[22:18] <mhall119> I've done that more times than I can remember
[22:19] <Oranger> mhall119: Done ;)
[22:20]  * mhall119 reads the README in ubuntu-docviewer-app :)
[22:24] <Oranger> mhall119: good ^^
[22:37] <Oranger> mhall119: Why your branch "package-fixes" is still in review ?
[22:39] <mhall119> Oranger: nobody's reviewed it yet?
[22:40] <Oranger> actually no
[22:40] <Oranger> mhall119: it is stull proposing for merging
[22:42] <Taranoshi> Hello, i was just wondering...what may be the average proce for a Ubuntu tablet?
[22:42] <Taranoshi> price
[23:03] <Oranger> mhall119: Because who are you waiting to review it ?