[06:35] <Lil-|^Red> A little wave of hello comes from Lil-|^Red
[07:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:23] <Lil-|^Red> OT | Morning bigcalm. I left the radio on in the bedroom last night. | Awoke at 5.30am on the wrong planet... facepalm.
[08:41] <mungbean> quiet today. everyone must be at maggies funeral
[08:43] <brobostigon> mungbean: unfortunatly not, i have the other evil to go to, the jobcentre.
[08:48] <mungbean> arrgh gpu hangup killed my machine again
[08:49] <mungbean> what a plague this bug is
[08:49] <MooDoo> no at work
[08:50] <mungbean> i check irc before email nowadays ;_
[08:51] <mungbean> testing some commands on irssi to hide the joins/quits
[08:51] <mungbean> hope it works
[09:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy World Haemophilia Day!
[09:18] <MooDoo> morning
[09:52] <popey> morning
[09:53] <popey> mungbean: i check irc from bed before I get up these days
[09:53] <mungbean> jacked into the matrix
[09:53] <popey> i use the irssi notifier which pings notifications to my android phone
[09:53] <popey> indeed, in my pants too
[09:54] <mungbean> how to hide joins/quits in irssi?
[09:54] <mungbean> thought i'd don ei t but not worked
[09:54] <mungbean> http://www.irssi.org/documentation/tips
[09:54] <mungbean> didn't' work for me
[09:55] <popey> for busy channels I use ignore of CRAP MSGS NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS WALLOPS INVITES NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS HILIGHTS
[09:56] <Seeker`> in all other channels he just uses /ignore Seeker`
[09:57] <mungbean> ignore -channels #ubuntu-uk * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
[09:57] <mungbean> like that?
[09:57] <popey> i think so, not done it for a while
[09:58] <mungbean> waits for someone to leave
[10:01] <Lil-|^Red> ...
[10:04] <Seeker`> mungbean: how will you know if they've left?
[10:05] <mungbean> has anyone left lately?
[10:05] <mungbean> since 10.57?
[10:05] <Myrtti> yu
[10:05] <Myrtti> p
[10:06] <mungbean> ta
[10:06] <mungbean> works then \o/
[10:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:10] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm guessing that if you're not at the LUG tonight, you're unlikely to be at the Lighthouse tomorrow?
[10:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed not.  Too much to do too little time
[10:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: story of life for many people
[10:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: week before the release, it's always organised chaos :)
[10:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: organised you say? :P
[10:13] <davmor2> Yeah there are people managing the chaos, so that's organised right?
[10:14] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:14] <Seeker`> So, I requested a new pc at work 7 weeks ago. I was originally told it would take 'up to 10 days' as there were a couple of special requirements. I still haven't received it -_-
[10:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: me even owlda mucka
[10:16] <Seeker`> Pretty sure that I can order and receive a PC in < 24 hours
[10:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah
[10:17] <Seeker`> Not entirely sure how someone can drag it out for 7 weeks
[10:20] <bigcalm> Current wallpaper made me titter http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/1149646
[10:22] <popey> hah
[10:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: haha
[10:25] <bigcalm> :)
[10:37] <Lil-|^Red> :-D
[11:40] <kvarley> How do I tell which NVIDIA proprietary driver I need to select in "Additional Drivers"?
[11:41] <kvarley> lspci -v reports "NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 9300M GS] (rev a1)"
[11:43] <popey> what options do you have?
[11:47] <kvarley> popey: http://en.zimagez.com/full/7c31858ba4ac134c329a618ec91320d47da3d694e0bba5106924c0fb25bf0a9d19ceba43d9a8a40c4ab983ab8c3176b15e80c930dabe7cb0.php
[11:47] <kvarley> I was considering the top one, what just curious what the 310 and 173 and 304 numbers mean? Are they chipset codes?
[11:48] <popey> that doesnt look like ubuntu
[11:48] <popey> is it xubuntu or something? very grey
[11:48] <kvarley> popey: It's XUbuntu, but it's using the same tool as Ubuntu uses
[11:48] <popey> I'd choose the first one
[11:48] <directhex> kvarley, the numbers are driver series
[11:49] <kvarley> I'll ask in #xubuntu if it's more appropriate, I just know lots of friendly people are present in this loco :)
[11:49] <directhex> kvarley, basically when nvidia give up on keeping every old chip supported in their latest driver, they dump it. the last working version stays in the archive, and gets occasionally patched up
[11:49] <popey> no that wasnt my point
[11:50] <kvarley> directhex: This is an old laptop, Acer Aspire 6930. Is there an easy way to find out what series the gpu in this laptop is from?
[11:50] <kvarley> popey: Should've said, sorry! :)
[11:50] <directhex> kvarley, well, it's a geforce 9300m
[11:52] <kvarley> directhex: Going with the top option then, thanks
[11:52] <directhex> kvarley, the latest driver supports (almost) all cards with an 8xxx model number or above
[11:53] <kvarley> directhex: Thanks :)
[11:53] <directhex> the 173-series drivers support cards from 6xxx to 9xxx (not all 9xxx cards though, as far as i can see)
[11:55] <directhex> the 96-series drivers do most geforce 2's through to 6xxx
[11:55] <directhex> i think support for geforce 1, some geforce 2, and TNT cards, is lost now
[13:04] <brunogirin> #ubuntu-touch
[13:47] <bigcalm> !ping
[13:48] <bigcalm> Humm
[13:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: something wrong
[13:49] <directhex> moo moo moo
[13:49] <jacobw> MOO
[13:49] <bigcalm> davmor2: was unable to get to some sites for a bit and spotify's buffer ran out for a while. All working now
[13:52] <Lil-|^Red> Question:: Anyone know if this is avail. for ubuntu yet ? http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/doom-3-bfg-edition-pc-steam-download-game-5-1529267?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=04172013&utm_campaign=Daily%2BHot
[13:53] <Lil-|^Red> sorry for the advert stuff.
[13:56] <directhex> Lil-|^Red, doom 3 bfg edition will never get an "official" linux binary, but there's a source tree you can build
[13:56] <Lil-|^Red> right, thank-you.
[13:57] <bigcalm> Spotify needs a service status section on their website
[13:59] <Lil-|^Red> try #spotify  ...least it's logged.
[14:02] <Lil-|^Red> Spotify :( .. also avail in Portugal, Poland and Italy. https://plus.google.com/103093000923989045518/posts/EnqTP2nhQC3  )
[14:03] <Lil-|^Red> nice playlist/s on that one.
[15:12] <kvarley> Awesome having android mtp support in 13.04 :)
[15:35] <mungbean> giffgaff are intriducing a 7.50 goodybag too
[15:43] <SuperMatt> what's on that one?
[15:43] <mungbean>  200mins, 250mb internet
[15:43] <mungbean> unlmtd txts , free to gg
[15:43] <SuperMatt> not bad for catfacts purposes
[15:44] <mungbean> i use less than those limits
[15:44] <mungbean> cos i'm on wifi at work and home
[15:44] <mungbean> i would upgrade to £10 when on holida
[15:45] <SuperMatt> even at home I use a lot of my data tariff because I'm in an ooold victorian house with *2* wifi points, and it still doesn't get everywhere I need it
[15:45] <SuperMatt> and when I'm at work... I don't want to log in to the work wifi with my credentials because I oft want to look at things... not work related
[15:46] <SuperMatt> though actually, I mostly use it at work to check if admin areas of our websites are accessable from external IPs
[15:46] <SuperMatt> which they shouldn't be :P
[16:03] <mungbean> you cold always use the work wifi to vpn to your home server
[16:03] <mungbean> for browsing reddit
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: hmm, browsing reddit ;)
[16:14] <bigcalm> Do 64bit win bins generally work in wine, or should I stick to 32bit versions? This is regarding an update for an application that I'm already running in wine
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: what happened when you tried? :)
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> I think wine's 64-bit support is still experimental.. but I'm not sure
[16:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: 2.4. Does Wine run on 64-bit? on http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ
[16:18] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it was more to know if I should waste time downloading a 64bit version :)
[16:18] <bigcalm> Ta
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> davmor2++
[16:19] <bigcalm> Ah, so I need wine64 to run it
[16:19]  * bigcalm goes for the 32bit bin for simplicity
[16:19] <directhex> wine works transparently on 64-bit
[16:19] <directhex> it doesn't have support for 64-bit windows apps afaik though
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> directhex: the FAQ says it could have Win64-support, but it's experimental
[16:20] <directhex> 32-bit is only useful in 2013 if you have less than 3.5G of RAM in your system
[16:20] <bigcalm> Huh, 64bit version worked without having to install anything else
[16:20] <bigcalm> That was a surprise
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> directhex: too bad Windows programs tend to come in 32-bit only
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> directhex: and IF they come in 64-bit versions, they're marked as "you want the other one", because people still run XP and they don't want complaints
[16:22] <directhex> well, games are 32-bit because they're designed to run in 200 meg of RAM
[16:22] <directhex> because ps3
[16:23] <directhex> and apps... well 64-bit apps can't use 32-bit libs and vice versa
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> sure but firefox turned of 64-bit builds
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> off*
[16:23] <directhex> who wants a pluginless browser?
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> I'm not sure about latest Office
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> directhex: \o
[16:23] <directhex> office 2010+, some apps are available in 64-bit
[16:24] <directhex> i.e. excel
[16:24] <directhex> http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/word-help/choose-the-32-bit-or-64-bit-version-of-office-HA010369476.aspx
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> so it's the python 3-problem all over again?
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> no libs -> no programs -> no libs
[16:25] <directhex> yes
[16:25] <SuperMatt> I want to program in python3, but many of the libraries I want haven't been updated :(
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: Django works with 3 now!
[16:26] <directhex> office isn't a product, it's an ecosystem. millions are spent every year on 3rd party plugins for office
[16:26] <directhex> 32-bit plugins
[16:26] <SuperMatt> sure, but things like python-daemon don't :(
[16:26] <directhex> (especially outlook)
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> directhex: yeah, I've seen outlook plugins
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I think I cried blood that day
[16:27] <bigcalm> This API I'm working with uses UNIT32 for all timestamps. It's Zigbee and thus uses an offset of 946684800 seconds (1st Jan 2000). But even so, it's used in embedded devices. Not good to be limiting to 32bit :(
[16:28] <davmor2> SuperMatt: they are slowly, very slowly
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: UINT32, I hope? :)
[16:29] <ali1234> why do you need a library to do [close(n) for n in [0, 1, 2]]
[16:29] <bigcalm> Thankfully, I am unlikely to care in 2068 :)
[16:29] <SuperMatt> doesn't help that the daemon PEP is still being decided upon
[16:29] <SuperMatt> pull your fingers out!
[16:29] <SuperMatt> I guess I could contribute...
[16:29] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: you're right, it is. Muscle memory :)
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: UNIT32 sounds like something from Doctor Who
[16:30] <bigcalm> :D
[16:31] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: well UNIT needs barracks too you know
[16:39] <bigcalm> Do I want a steak for tea?
[16:39] <neuro> yes
[16:39] <bigcalm> It is at a Weatherspoons
[16:40] <bigcalm> In Wolverhampton
[16:40] <neuro> well then, you can have a pint with your steak :)
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: so go there :)
[16:40] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:41] <bigcalm> A pint or 2 is inevitable - it's LUG night
[16:41] <neuro> having a scotlug post-meet pint in wetherspoons was always handy, because thursdays were curry nights
[16:42] <bigcalm> http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/food/menu/main/mains-2
[16:42] <bigcalm> Yeah, we're always a day early for that
[16:42] <neuro> i really should start going to scotlug again, haven't been for years
[16:42] <bigcalm> Tests: 211, Assertions: 2181, Failures: 1, Errors: 1.
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> neuro: would they recognise you?
[16:42] <neuro> probably
[16:43] <bigcalm> Took 35mins to run those tests
[16:43] <bigcalm> Gah
[16:43] <neuro> i must admit, i'm loving my new job
[16:44] <neuro> getting to replace a whole bunch of win2k3 and win2k8 with ubuntu ;)
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> neuro: juju deploy ...?
[16:46] <neuro> once i get my head round it, hopefully
[16:47] <davmor2> neuro: Landscape it all :)
[16:48] <neuro> ££££!!!
[16:48] <davmor2> neuro: it's not that expensive
[18:39] <bigcalm> This is why turning up 'on time' is a bad thing. No other bugger does and I'm all on my tod for the LUG
[18:52] <kindercore> anyone from UK
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> kindercore: nah, this is the UK channel :)
[18:53] <kindercore> are youfrom di UK
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> I'm not, but most other people in here are from the UK
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> United Kingdom, not Ukraine ;)
[18:54] <kindercore> have you ever checked out your gf feet?
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> ...
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> !spam
[18:54] <kindercore> ?
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> !topic
[18:54] <popey> wat
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> oh great
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> now he's pming
[18:54] <popey> kindercore: stop
[18:54] <kindercore> stop what
[18:55] <popey> inappropriate conversations
[18:56] <kindercore> pompey
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> !ops
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> he's still pming.. adding /ignore
[19:03] <mungbean> scientifically proven, best baby relax music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rKYZ_BGxPM
[19:03] <AlanBell> never gonna give you up . . .
[19:04] <directhex> mungbean, lullabies aren't effective with babies. white noise is, since it sounds like the general sounds of outside the womb when in the womb
[19:04] <directhex> i.e. sounds of rain, or the ocean, etc
[19:04] <directhex> or chainsaws.
[19:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: whine whine whine
[19:05] <directhex> In the early days, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Aw9o-4KUc worked quite well for sending nathan to sleep
[19:06] <AlanBell> top tip, leave a running chainsaw in the nursery to send your child to sleep
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> directhex: My mother once told me I wouldn't sleep unless he turned on the vacuum cleaner :)
[19:06] <directhex> MartijnVdS, that correlates with what i said. seems legit.
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Q: What's red and shrinking? A: A baby with a chainsaw.
[19:11] <marsilainen> what is the nicest GUI tool for ripping tracks from audio CDs these days?
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> I use sound-juicer
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> but rhythmbox can do it as well
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> sound-juicer has nice musicbrainz options (to get metadata)
[19:12] <marsilainen> ok
[19:12] <marsilainen> ta
[19:12] <mungbean> ive truied all vids, white noise and pink noise etc, cricket, waterfall,but lullaby works best
[19:14] <davmor2> mungbean: technically the best is meant to be a dull heart beat.  That's why kids tend to fall asleep when you hold their head near your chest
[19:15] <mungbean> i dont have boobs, boobs are required
[19:15] <mungbean> i tried faking it but baby knew
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: eat more ;)
[19:16] <mungbean> have some catching up to do
[19:17] <davmor2> mungbean: female hormone tablets
[19:23] <mungbean> what was the "new morse" like?
[19:23] <mungbean> endeavour
[19:28] <Myrtti> mungbean: get a soundboard app on your phone, something like Relax and Sleep on Android, I'm sure they've got both white noise and heartbeat as options, then put the phone on and put it into a pocket or something
[19:31] <amayer> if i disable secure boot(uefi) i can boot ubuntu and install it just like the good old days right?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> even with secure boot on it should work I think? isn't that one of the reasons for the 12.04.2 release?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> Use the last version of Ubuntu. Support for UEFI appeared in 11.10, but has become more reliable in next versions. Support for UEFI SecureBoot appeared in 12.10 and 12.04.2.
[19:32] <amayer> awesome! ill have to get the most recent iso
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:33] <amayer> i didnt think support came out yet for uefi.
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> 11.10 supported UEFI
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> but 12.04 and 12.10 (and upcoming 13.04) have better support for it
[19:45] <directhex> you can install in 16-bit 8086 mode, too, if you force legacy-only boot in your firmware setup
[19:45] <directhex> i.e. no uefi support needed by os
[20:34] <mungbean> does lightread app still work?
[20:44] <popey> mungbean: did it ever?
[20:58] <ali1234> considering that it won first prize in the ubuntu app showdown i would hope so
[20:58] <ali1234> but then again looking at the list of judges...
[21:16] <mungbean> used to work for me occasionally
[21:16] <mungbean> ah still sort of working
[21:17] <mungbean> thought goog reader was gone away
[21:17] <mungbean> lightread won a comp but bugs werent followed up
[21:17] <mungbean> running 1.1.1
[21:19] <mungbean> looks like a ppa might have newer one
[21:23] <mungbean> thats better
[23:56] <Lil-|^Red> Anyone got any tasty treats off the Ubuntu Newsletter #312 ? http://bit.ly/11eIYhU