[05:52] <Squirm> morning people
[05:55] <magespawn> good morning 
[05:55] <magespawn> hey Squirm 
[06:18] <HawkiesZA> Morning
[06:23] <Kilos> morning drubin_ and others
[06:23] <Kilos> wb drubin_ are you well?
[06:24] <Kilos> aw stupid konversation taking minutes to show who is awawy
[06:24] <Kilos> hi whoever else is here
[06:38] <Squirm> hello Kilos
[06:39] <Squirm> does anybody know how I can mount an ntfs partition within an image I made using dd? I know the start and end of the partition
[06:48] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:49] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[07:00] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:01] <inetpro> Kilos: eish, ek sukkel vanoggend met 8ta
[07:02] <Squirm> using dd and skip
[07:02] <Kilos> bell hulle en kerm inetpro 
[07:02] <inetpro> looks like Telkom/8ta is either having problems or they are making massive changes
[07:02] <inetpro> can not login to recharge my account
[07:03] <Kilos> they were talking about going lts or something like that
[07:03] <inetpro> even USSD seems down, at least earlier this morning when I tried
[07:03] <Kilos> didnt you read what mage said a few days back
[07:03] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[07:03] <Kilos> ai!
[07:03] <Kilos> something about them going live
[07:03] <inetpro> you guys where talking more than I could take in 
[07:03] <inetpro> ai!
[07:03] <Kilos> magespawn: hi tell the pro
[07:04] <Kilos> lol
[07:04] <Kilos> magespawn: ping
[07:04] <inetpro> Kilos: no worries, have work to do now anyway
[07:04] <Kilos> he knows the whole story, but is you fone and talk to a data tech he will try help you
[07:04] <inetpro> Kilos: please check whether you can login to check your balance
[07:05] <Kilos> ill get mage to post a link
[07:05] <Kilos> ok sec
[07:06] <Kilos> yes i can 
[07:06] <Kilos> using prepaid manager applet i think it is called
[07:06] <Kilos> shows airtime balance not data balance
[07:06] <Kilos> inetpro: ^^
[07:07] <Kilos> need to put sim in fone for data balance
[07:09] <inetpro> Kilos: when you have a chance, please check... but no rush
[07:09] <inetpro> I could not even check with the sim in phone earlier
[07:10] <inetpro> I can not even login
[07:10] <Kilos> i will do it now
[07:10] <Kilos> brb
[07:15] <Kilos-> yes inetpro iget replies from *188#
[07:16]  * Kilos- cries about the wires 2g special i cant use
[07:19] <Kilos> wireless
[07:20] <inetpro> Kilos: you can
[07:20] <Kilos> yessir inetpro 
[07:20] <inetpro> you just have to visit McDonalds
[07:20] <Kilos> lol
[07:20] <inetpro> or many of the other outlets
[07:20] <Kilos> i dont have wireless hardware on pc
[07:21] <HawkiesZA> inetpro, I checked my balance this morning from my phone and I can log in to the site :/
[07:21] <HawkiesZA> And the site shows all  my balances
[07:22] <inetpro> ai!
[07:22] <inetpro> guess I will have to troubleshoot later this evening
[07:23] <HawkiesZA> Have you tried turning it off and back on again?
[07:23]  * HawkiesZA runs away
[07:23] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: I have
[07:23] <tonberryE352> have you tried percussive maintenance?
[07:23] <HawkiesZA> That was my next suggestion too
[07:23] <inetpro> percussive maintenance?
[07:23] <Kilos> whats that
[07:23] <tonberryE352> hit it until it starts working
[07:23] <HawkiesZA> Walls
[07:23] <Kilos> oh hit with hammer
[07:24] <HawkiesZA> Floors
[07:24] <Kilos> rofl
[07:24] <HawkiesZA> See how it bounces
[07:24] <tonberryE352> the scary thing is it occasionally works
[07:24] <inetpro> ai!
[07:25] <tonberryE352> usually a bad solder joint somewhere
[07:25] <Kilos> just put the sim in a fone and check balances then put back in modem
[07:25]  * Kilos waits for i have
[07:25] <Kilos> or ai!
[07:25] <HawkiesZA> I put the SIM in the phone and use the phone as a hotspot :D
[07:26] <HawkiesZA> But I also have more phones than sense
[07:27] <tonberryE352> was it in a modem or some form of router? If you are really bored you could code something to scrape the ussd menus
[07:30] <Kilos> we need to give suggestions when he is home by the pc again, or he will forget
[07:30] <Kilos> old age you know
[07:31]  * Kilos ducks
[07:33] <Squirm> HawkiesZA: you can send one of your Android powered smartphones
[07:33] <Squirm> it'll level out the phones/sense
[07:36] <inetpro> ai!
[07:37] <inetpro> sorry guys
[07:37]  * inetpro busy trying to get some work donw
[07:37] <inetpro> done as well
[07:37] <inetpro> I think my account must be locked or something like that
[07:38] <inetpro> I sent an email to social@8ta.com
[07:39] <Kilos> ai!
[07:40] <trender> evenin :)
[07:44] <Kilos> hi trender 
[07:44] <trender> hi
[07:45]  * inetpro needs to make time to purchase the 10+10
[07:45] <inetpro> 2+1 is just not enough for me anymore
[07:45] <tonberryE352> get the 60+60
[07:46] <trender> you guys talking in code :) ?
[07:46] <inetpro> tonberryE352: no, that only gives you 5MB per month
[07:46] <tonberryE352> 5gb is plenty
[07:46] <tonberryE352> and another 5 at night
[07:46] <inetpro> even 5 is not enough for me
[07:47] <tonberryE352> use it up in 6 months
[07:47] <tonberryE352> buy another
[07:47] <inetpro> ai!
[07:47] <tonberryE352> or if you are torrent crazy go for the cellc 50+150
[07:48] <inetpro> wow
[07:48] <tonberryE352> about the same price
[07:48] <trender> just get a wifi telescope and lick some hotspots :)
[07:49] <tonberryE352> wifi has its limits...
[07:49] <trender> so get a few telescopes and bridge them then :)
[07:50] <tonberryE352> the internet bundles get cheaper
[07:50] <tonberryE352> good wifi antennas cost money
[07:50] <trender> yea but the savings are great in the long run :)
[07:51] <tonberryE352> depends on if the bundles get cheaper in a few years or not
[07:51] <trender> especially if you live in stupidville near 20 coffee shops
[07:58] <magespawn> Kilos: pong
[07:59] <Kilos> ohi magespawn can you give that info on 8ta going live for the pro please
[08:00] <Kilos> or telkom
[08:01] <Kilos> he says you talk so much he hasnt got time to scroll back so far
[08:01] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:01] <magespawn> hah
[08:02] <inetpro> Kilos: it's not magespawn who talks so much
[08:02] <Kilos> oops you saw that
[08:02] <magespawn> was just about telkom going live with their LTE network, something like a 1000 base stations would have it, but i forget the date
[08:03] <Kilos> was april i think you said
[08:05] <magespawn> yes just cannot recall the exact date
[08:10] <Kilos> np ty magespawn 
[08:28] <HawkiesZA> Maaz, It doesn't work
[08:28] <Maaz> Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
[08:28] <HawkiesZA> Thank you, Maaz
[08:28] <Maaz> HawkiesZA: Okay :-)
[08:29] <Kilos> hehe
[08:33] <inetpro> Maaz: HawkiesZA ++ [I like it]
[08:35] <magespawn> hah
[08:37] <magespawn> what happens if you define "it"?
[08:37] <magespawn> Maaz define it
[08:37] <Maaz> magespawn: It \It\ ([i^]t), pron. [OE. it, hit, AS. hit; cf. D. het. [root]181. See {He}.] The neuter pronoun of the third person, corresponding to the masculine pronoun he and the feminine she, and having the same plural (they, their or theirs, them). [1913 Webster]  Note: The possessive form its is modern, being rarely found in the writings of Shakespeare and
[08:37] <Maaz> Milton, and not at all in the original King James's version of the Bible. During the transit…
[09:24] <magespawn> what is the best mirror to use while the one at tenet is down?
[09:28] <trender> !seen xyz 
[09:29] <trender> maaz: help
[09:29] <Maaz> trender: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[09:29] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[09:29] <trender> maaz: help with monitoring things
[09:29] <Maaz> trender: I use the following features for monitoring things: coffee, http, icecast, meeting and ping
[09:29] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[09:36] <trender> maaz: define mask
[09:36] <Maaz> trender: Mask \Mask\ (m[.a]sk), n. [F. masque, LL. masca, mascha, mascus; cf. Sp. & Pg. m['a]scara, It. maschera; all fr. Ar. maskharat buffoon, fool, pleasantry, anything ridiculous or mirthful, fr. sakhira to ridicule, to laugh at. Cf. {Masque}, {Masquerade}.] 1. A cover, or partial cover, for the face, used for disguise or protection; as, a dancer's mask; a
[09:36] <Maaz> fencer's mask; a ball player's mask. [1913 Webster]  2. That which disguises; a pretext or su…
[09:36] <trender> maaz: define benefactor
[09:36] <Maaz> trender: Benefactor \Ben`e*fac"tor\,n. [L.] One who confers a benefit or benefits. --Bacon. [1913 Webster], benefactor n 1: a person who helps people or institutions (especially with financial help) [syn: {benefactor}, {helper}]
[09:38] <trender> maaz: define cancer
[09:38] <Maaz> trender: Sign \Sign\, n. [F. signe, L. signum; cf. AS. segen, segn, a sign, standard, banner, also fr. L. signum. Cf. {Ensign}, {Resign}, {Seal} a stamp, {Signal}, {Signet}.] That by which anything is made known or represented; that which furnishes evidence; a mark; a token; an indication; a proof. Specifically: (a) A remarkable event, considered by the ancients as
[09:38] <Maaz> indicating the will of some deity; a prodigy; an omen. (b) An event considered by the Je…
[09:38] <trender> maaz: define sign
[09:38] <Maaz> trender: Sign \Sign\, n. [F. signe, L. signum; cf. AS. segen, segn, a sign, standard, banner, also fr. L. signum. Cf. {Ensign}, {Resign}, {Seal} a stamp, {Signal}, {Signet}.] That by which anything is made known or represented; that which furnishes evidence; a mark; a token; an indication; a proof. Specifically: (a) A remarkable event, considered by the ancients as
[09:38] <Maaz> indicating the will of some deity; a prodigy; an omen. (b) An event considered by the Je…
[09:39] <trender> maaz: define cancer
[09:39] <Maaz> trender: Sign \Sign\, n. [F. signe, L. signum; cf. AS. segen, segn, a sign, standard, banner, also fr. L. signum. Cf. {Ensign}, {Resign}, {Seal} a stamp, {Signal}, {Signet}.] That by which anything is made known or represented; that which furnishes evidence; a mark; a token; an indication; a proof. Specifically: (a) A remarkable event, considered by the ancients as
[09:39] <Maaz> indicating the will of some deity; a prodigy; an omen. (b) An event considered by the Je…
[09:41] <trender> maaz: define kernel
[09:41] <Maaz> trender: Kernel \Ker"nel\, n. [OE. kernel, kirnel, curnel, AS. cyrnel, fr. corn grain. See {Corn}, and cf. {Kern} to harden.] 1. The essential part of a seed; all that is within the seed walls; the edible substance contained in the shell of a nut; hence, anything included in a shell, husk, or integument; as, the kernel of a nut. See Illust. of {Endocarp}. [1913
[09:41] <Maaz> Webster]  'A were as good crack a fusty nut with no kernel --Shak. [1913 Webster]  2. A sing…
[09:41] <trender> anybody here ?
[09:41] <trender> anyone alive ??
[09:42] <Squirm> people are here
[09:42] <Squirm> they just work too
[09:42] <magespawn> yup am here
[09:42] <trender> how do you define the linux kernel ?
[09:42] <Squirm> Maaz: google test
[09:42] <trender> is it just some os commands ?
[09:42] <Maaz> Squirm: "Create Tests for Organizational Training and Certification Programs ..." http://www.test.com/ :: "Speedtest.net - The Global Broadband Speed Test" http://www.speedtest.net/ :: "Test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test :: "Personality test based on C. Jung and I. Briggs Myers type theory" http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-
[09:42] <Maaz> win/jtypes2.asp :: "Speakeasy Speed Test" http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ :: "Test your …
[09:42] <Squirm> Maaz: google define: kernel
[09:42] <Maaz> Squirm: "Kernel (computing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing) :: "Kernel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel :: "The Linux Kernel Archives" https://www.kernel.org/ :: "What is kernel? - A Word Definition From the Webopedia Computer ..." http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/K/kernel.html
[09:42] <Maaz> :: "Kernel - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary" http://www.mer…
[09:43] <Squirm> hmm
[09:43] <magespawn> it is the central part of the os
[09:43] <Squirm> trender: afaik, a kernel is really what interfaces between your OS and your hardware
[09:44] <trender> i was hoping for a simpler explination :)
[09:45] <magespawn> in what sort of way?
[09:46] <trender> like the kernel is a group of files or a TSR
[09:46] <HawkiesZA> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computer_science) ?
[09:46] <trender> im just trying to get the full clear simple picture
[09:46] <HawkiesZA> And then: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel
[09:47] <magespawn> what is the best mirror to use while the one at tenet is down?
[09:57] <Squirm> I seem to be able to access it
[09:57] <Squirm> although it has reduced a lot
[09:57] <Squirm> mirror.ac.za?
[10:16] <magespawn> Squirm: my updates seem to fail
[10:18] <Squirm> not sure magespawn
[10:18] <magespawn> ah well scroll back time then, i think somebody metioned it last night
[10:19] <Squirm> I can access it on http://mirror.ac.za Haven't tried an update
[10:22] <Squirm> chrome is using 30Mb-600Mb per tab
[10:22] <Squirm> and I have a lot of tabs open
[10:23] <HawkiesZA> kill it with fire
[10:26] <trender> highvoltage gday
[10:31] <Kilos> magespawn: use the uct one
[10:31] <magespawn> address?
[10:31] <Kilos> sec i find it
[10:31] <magespawn> ty
[10:33] <Kilos> http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/ubuntu
[10:34] <Kilos> had to type that couldnt copy paste from muon
[10:35] <zeref> herro
[10:35] <Kilos> hi zeref 
[10:35] <zeref> hi Kilos 
[10:36] <Kilos> did you get that magespawn ?
[10:37] <magespawn> yup thanks
[10:37] <Kilos> i used it last night and got 250kB/s
[10:37] <Kilos> up and down around there
[10:41] <trender> is that good speed
[10:42] <trender> KB or kb
[10:49] <Kilos> kilo byte
[10:50] <Kilos> small b is bits
[13:05] <Symmetria> urgh
[13:05] <Symmetria> did they break the quagga package 
[13:05] <Symmetria> in precise?
[13:06] <trender> Symmetria howdee
[13:16] <Symmetria> lo trender
[13:16] <trender> yo
[14:48] <magespawn> now it is home time, later all
[16:50] <Kilos> ah georgelappies  the georgel is work pc?
[16:51] <Kilos> lo highvoltage 
[16:51] <Kilos> long time no see
[17:15] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[17:16] <georgelappies> nope, Georgl is not me :)
[17:16] <Kilos> ah
[17:20] <Kilos> oh my we frightened him away
[17:25] <highvoltage> hey Kilos 
[17:27] <Kilos> eek here comes the snow already
[18:10] <nuvolari> o/
[18:10] <nuvolari> hello
[18:10] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[18:11] <Cantide> hey nuvolari 
[18:11] <Kilos> lo nuvolari Cantide 
[18:12] <Cantide> Kilos, o/
[18:13] <Kilos> hi Trix[a]r_za 
[18:17] <nuvolari> Kilos: ek dink hy's nou weg oom :P
[18:18] <Kilos> o
[18:18] <nuvolari> daar's 'n sscript wat die eerste a 'n [a] maak
[18:18] <nuvolari> *script
[18:18] <nuvolari> goeiste, ek kan nie glo dis al woensdag nie
[18:18] <Kilos> oh is dit wat daar aangaan
[18:19] <nuvolari> jip, net so
[18:19] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, het tara al iets gehoor?
[18:19] <Kilos> ja deerde
[18:19] <Kilos> sy word oud lyk my
[18:19] <Kilos> derde
[18:20] <nuvolari> aw :(
[18:35] <trender> evening
[18:36] <trender> anybody seen theblazehen ??
[18:36] <trender> that oke fell off the planet
[18:37] <Kilos> nope trender most likely working on something
[18:37] <Kilos> they get busy at timew
[18:37] <Kilos> times too
[18:37] <trender> when is school holidays anyhow ?
[18:37] <Kilos> ?
[18:37] <trender> i think he mentioned school hloiday
[18:38] <trender> sorry arg typos
[18:38] <Kilos> np
[18:38] <trender> been a heavy day mate
[18:38] <trender> still working at this hour
[18:50] <magespawn> evening all
[18:51] <trender> evening mage
[18:55] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[19:04] <inetpro> good evening
[19:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> hellos
[19:06] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:06] <Kilos> lo inetpro 8ta fixed?
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, eventually
[19:06] <inetpro> had to reset my password
[19:07] <Kilos> what was the prob?
[19:07] <Kilos> oh my
[19:07] <inetpro> obviously with the sim in the phone to be able to receive a code
[19:07] <inetpro> stupid that they don't give you the option to send to another number
[19:08] <Kilos> the password on the sim?
[19:08] <inetpro> a sim in a router can not exactly receive an SMS message
[19:08] <inetpro> Kilos: no, on the 8ta self service site
[19:08] <Kilos> ah
[19:08] <magespawn> which router?
[19:10] <magespawn> some of them can
[19:11] <inetpro> magespawn: Huawei E960
[19:11] <drubin_> Kilos: yp I am good :) how have you been
[19:12] <Kilos> good ty drubin_ 
[19:12] <drubin_> good good
[19:12] <magespawn> the E3551 can recieve, maybe there is a way 
[19:14] <magespawn> lots of peeps here tonight, thats good
[19:14] <inetpro> magespawn: hmm... interestingly it looks possible, but
[19:15] <inetpro> would have to read the SMS messages after connecting via usb 
[19:17] <magespawn> yeah so kinda invalidates the point of a wireless router but there we go
[19:18] <Kilos> inetpro, install modem-manager-gui
[19:19] <Kilos> it shows modem smses
[19:19] <Kilos> maybe it will work there
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: no it's not worth it
[19:19] <Kilos> ok
[19:20] <inetpro> I'm not interested in SMS messages on that sim unless it's out of the ordinary like today
[19:23] <magespawn> yeah i get some wierd ones on my tablet
[19:36] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:37] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[19:37] <Kilos> night superfly and all others
[20:13] <trender> hrm anybody alive ???
[20:13] <trender> does naybody know about compiling kernels ??
[20:13] <trender> anybody
[20:21] <Squirm> eish
[20:21] <Squirm> you didn't know what a kernel was this morning. Now you want to compile then
[20:21] <Squirm> s/then/them
[20:22] <Squirm> I don't know, maybe it's just me. I haven't seen the code for the kernel and I've been using linux for a few years now :p
[20:23] <Squirm> anyway, bed for me. chat tomorrow
[20:23] <trender> well i need to ask mate i am an engineer im not looking at this from a users perspective
[20:25] <trender> i hate to go down this road but sadly no choice really
[20:25] <Tonberry_> have a look at openembedded
[20:25] <Tonberry_> its a pain to get working but it does cross compile to almost anything
[20:26] <trender> thanks Ton i think you know where im headed
[20:27] <magespawn> lets us know how it goes trender 
[20:27] <trender> i just dont understand all the big words you okes use yet :)
[20:27] <trender> but the concepts i can get
[20:28] <trender> yea i will get this right it will take me a week hard graft
[20:29] <trender> windows has made us lazy i need to excersize my mind again
[20:29] <magespawn> help is all around
[20:30] <trender> yea but first you need to find the words before you know what to ask for :)
[20:31] <magespawn> yes learn the lingua franca
[20:31] <trender> i was brought up on apple
[20:31] <trender> in the early days
[20:32] <trender> first machines we coded on in tech
[20:32] <trender> appart from those spectrum 48k machines 
[20:32] <trender> thats all there was in the begging for home users
[20:32] <trender> beggining
[20:33] <trender> the Xt machine you could only use with special permission
[20:33] <trender> gosh long time
[20:33] <magespawn> os x is based on bsd a unix/linux variant
[20:34] <trender> i like the idea of cubieboard now
[20:35] <trender> im itching to make somethng usefull with it
[20:36] <trender> never though id be opening this door it just hit me in the face
[20:38] <magespawn> ah well, learning new things is good
[20:38] <trender> it keeps you alive
[20:38] <magespawn> i am off, good night all
[20:38] <trender> gnite mage