[00:10] <GridCube> i just bought a new laser printer, after downloading the drivers from http://www.support.xerox.com/support/phaser-3040/downloads/enin.html?operatingSystem=linux&fileLanguage=en_GB it get recognized and its on lsusb it shows as Bus 002 Device 018: ID 0924:3cf9 Xerox  and the printer settings says its there too, using this URI usb://Xerox/Phaser%203040?serial=3179006196 , however after trying to run the test print i get an error and this is th
[00:10] <GridCube> e CUPS log http://pastebin.com/gr1wmkjq
[00:18] <GridCube> i get "Filter failed" on the cups log
[00:27] <GridCube> rebooting did nothing
[01:30] <GridCube> so, anyone knows some CUPS?
[01:33] <bazhang> sure
[01:34] <GridCube>  i just bought a new laser printer, after downloading the drivers from http://www.support.xerox.com/support/phaser-3040/downloads/enin.html?operatingSystem=linux&fileLanguage=en_GB it get recognized and its on lsusb it shows as Bus 002 Device 018: ID 0924:3cf9 Xerox  and the printer settings says its there too, using this URI usb://Xerox/Phaser%203040?serial=3179006196 , however after trying to run the test print i get an error and this is th
[01:34] <GridCube> e CUPS log http://pastebin.com/gr1wmkjq
[01:35] <GridCube> the printer queue in cups says "filter failed"
[01:36] <GridCube> i have an epson inkjet printer in the same usb-hub and it works perfectly
[01:46] <GridCube> :(
[01:47] <GridCube> not getting any answer gives me lots of anxiety
[02:47] <GridCube> no luck
[02:47] <GridCube> i cant figure this out
[02:49] <holstein> GridCube: are there other drivers? try the most generic one you can
[02:49] <GridCube> i cant seem to find generics
[02:50] <holstein> GridCube: i just force them in the GUI
[02:50] <holstein> GridCube: the add-a-printer GUI.. i havent used the actual CUPS web interface in a while
[02:51] <GridCube> yes
[02:51] <GridCube> im using that
[02:59] <GridCube> :(
[02:59] <GridCube> why
[02:59] <GridCube> i dont understand
[02:59] <holstein> :/
[02:59] <holstein> theres even a .deb package...
[03:01] <holstein> interesting... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2136163
[03:04] <Cheri703> Anyone know how to set up bitlbee?
[03:04] <Cheri703> oh, wait...maybe it's working
[03:04] <Cheri703> nvm :)
[03:04] <GridCube> holstein, yes, thats my exact problem
[03:04] <GridCube> but just like me, no one answered
[03:09] <GridCube> well
[03:09] <GridCube> this is one of the reasons why i understand why people hate linux
[03:10] <GridCube> and even more when this is just a printer, if something linux should do office stuff better than no one
[03:10] <GridCube> ggggggggggggggggrr
[09:20] <carrera> Greetings!  :)
[09:21] <packetfrog> Hello!
[09:21] <carrera> does xubuntu desktop support RAID?
[09:22] <carrera> I had to install the Ubuntu server to setup RAID on my laptop
[09:23] <baizon> carrera: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[09:24] <carrera> baizon, thank u sir!  :)
[09:27] <carrera> does xubuntu include zeitgeist?
[09:28] <baizon> carrera: not by default
[09:28] <baizon> im using it with "synapse"
[09:29] <carrera> I don't want it
[09:30] <carrera> I tried to remove it from Ubuntu 12.04 + Gnome and it messed up my desktop
[09:31] <baizon> carrera: because without it, dash wont work
[09:31] <baizon> ... and unity.
[09:31] <carrera> I knew about unity
[09:31] <baizon> carrera: but to your question, xubuntu uses xfce which isnt usint zeitgeist at all
[09:31] <carrera> but I didn't think it would break Gnome
[09:32] <carrera> mind u, I did a apt-get remove zeitgeist*
[09:32] <baizon> carrera: it does not, but ubuntu is using gnome + unity
[09:32] <carrera> and I said, "Yes" to remove all matching packages
[09:32] <baizon> ou ok :)
[09:32] <baizon> then you removed all dependencies :>
[09:32] <baizon> which broke your desktop
[09:32] <carrera> yes sir!  :)
[09:35] <carrera> is that why I couldn't get Gnome running without installing unity on my Ubuntu Server 12.04
[09:37] <carrera> baizon, I really like Gnome but I don't want to have to install Unity just to run Gnome
[09:37] <carrera> any suggestions?
[09:39] <packetfrog> http://www.itworld.com/software/272614/use-gnome-classic-ubuntu-1204
[09:40] <packetfrog> carrera, %
[09:40] <packetfrog> ^ rather
[09:40] <carrera> packetfrog, thanks!  :)
[09:40]  * packetfrog passes the thanks on 2 google
[09:40] <carrera> :)
[09:42] <carrera> which version did Ubuntu go Unity only btw?
[09:43] <packetfrog> 11?
[09:43] <rhin0> i'm sticking to 10.04 because the next lts last time I tried it (4 months ago) .. was unstable to the point of locking up
[09:43] <rhin0> I am not moving off 10.04
[09:43] <rhin0> the next LTS
[09:43] <packetfrog> 12.04 worked fine for me.
[09:43] <packetfrog> and a million other people
[09:43] <Pensacola> I have installed 12.10 server edition, and the gnome3 packages on top
[09:43] <carrera> 12.04 worked fine for me too
[09:43] <Pensacola> works perfectly
[09:44] <rhin0> i'll stick to it for now .. my options are to try the next LTS again or go to centos
[09:44] <packetfrog> I like Xubuntu. Ktnx.
[09:44] <rhin0> i've evaluated many linuxi ... I like centos
[09:44] <packetfrog> centos is not an option
[09:44] <carrera> Pensacola, did u have to install unity too?
[09:44] <packetfrog> thats just silly
[09:44] <rhin0> I know its not ubuntu - but to go forward
[09:44] <Pensacola> no, I did not install ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <packetfrog> For a daily desktop ?
[09:44] <rhin0> i like centos -- i've only run fedora mandriva ubuntu
[09:45] <packetfrog> rhin0, ^
[09:45] <rhin0> yeah for a daily desktop
[09:45] <rhin0> redhat
[09:45] <Pensacola> just a sec, let me search the correct package
[09:45] <packetfrog> good luck with that
[09:45] <rhin0> why can't it be a "daily desktop" packetfrog
[09:45] <packetfrog> I just tried it out for a week and it was chit.
[09:45] <Pensacola> just install the gnome package
[09:45] <packetfrog> well It can obviously
[09:45] <packetfrog> but it is not any funy
[09:45] <rhin0> im still getting updates on 10.04 :)
[09:45] <packetfrog> fun* jesus I cant type laying down
[09:46] <carrera> I installed 12.04 Server and Gnome Shell but I had to install Unity to get it start at boot
[09:47] <Pensacola> it installed lightdm with the gnome package, so no problem with that here
[09:51] <packetfrog> :>
[09:51] <carrera> lightdm?
[09:52] <Pensacola> lightdm is the login manager, sort of :)
[09:53] <carrera> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightDM
[09:53] <carrera> I'm confused now
[09:53] <carrera> there's an image of on the page
[09:53] <carrera> the caption is LightDM in Ubuntu 12.04 with its default Unity Greeter front-end
[09:54] <Pensacola> well, it uses gdm in xubuntu, it's in the list
[09:54] <carrera> does LightDM use the dreaded unity greeter?
[09:54] <Pensacola> you can choose :)
[09:54] <carrera> gdm?
[09:54] <Pensacola> but I can't remember the command to switch if you have multiple installed
[09:55] <carrera> do u guys live on the west coast?
[09:56] <carrera> it's almost 3 am here in Vancouver
[09:57] <packetfrog> i do
[09:57] <carrera> I'm going to bed now but I'll be back with more questions tomorrow
[09:57] <packetfrog> im below u
[09:57] <carrera> Seattle?
[09:57] <packetfrog> 5 to 3 actually
[09:57] <packetfrog> portland
[09:57] <carrera> 2:57:50 to be exact
[09:57] <packetfrog> lol
[09:57] <carrera> ;)
[09:58] <packetfrog> night
[09:58] <carrera> that's my OCPD
[09:58] <carrera> I was trying not to be exact for once, and u caught me
[09:59] <Pensacola> I live in the netherlands :)
[09:59] <carrera> cool
[09:59] <carrera> I've been to the Netherlands
[09:59] <carrera> I stayed at the
[10:00] <carrera> American Hotel in Amsterdam
[10:00] <Yotson> cheeseheads ftw! :D
[10:00] <carrera> ftw?
[10:01] <baizon> for the win
[10:01] <carrera> baizon, thanks
[10:01] <carrera> cheeseheads?
[10:01] <baizon> but guys, this is a support channel, if you wanna talk offtopic you can do this in xubuntu-offtopic
[10:01] <carrera> sure
[10:01] <baizon> i mean #xubuntu-offtopic
[10:02] <carrera> thanks baizon, didn't know about  #xubuntu-offtopic
[10:08] <antisober552> Hi im looking for a lightweight ubuntu dm
[10:12] <baizon> antisober552: dm
[10:14] <antisober552> Lightweight ubuntu distro
[10:14] <baizon> antisober552: Xubuntu, Lubuntu
[10:14] <baizon> try them
[10:14] <rhin0> lubuntu
[10:14] <rhin0> is the lighter (than xubuntu)
[10:15] <rhin0> lubuntu = xubuntu lite
[10:15] <antisober552> Lubuntu does not load for me
[10:15] <rhin0> what have you tried rloading it off .. maybe try a CD
[10:15] <antisober552> I have xubuntu but it freezes my pc
[10:16] <rhin0> i've found 10.04 to be rock solid to the extent that I have not had a freezeup in 3 years
[10:16] <antisober552> Xubuntu 10.04 ?
[10:16] <rhin0> I am sure that the new LTS (long term support) release, will have similar reliability
[10:16] <rhin0> yah
[10:17] <rhin0> i love it man ... its fantasstic
[10:17] <antisober552> Cause i have the 12.04 installed
[10:17] <antisober552> Lts
[10:17] <rhin0> tbh 4 months ago I was gettin glockups with it
[10:17] <rhin0> seriously
[10:17] <rhin0> also bugs
[10:17] <rhin0> IMO .. as software gets o;der it decays
[10:17] <antisober552> Okay i will try xubuntu 10.04
[10:17] <rhin0> I may be right in expressing an opinion, that 10.04 is a stabler release
[10:18] <rhin0> thing is tho (aintisober)
[10:18] <rhin0> its out of support now
[10:18] <antisober552> Or should i try lubuntu 10.04
[10:18] <rhin0> this month
[10:18] <antisober552> I dont get what that means
[10:18] <rhin0> no idea .. haven't tried it have only tried the later lubuntu
[10:18] <rhin0> supported as in "updates" .
[10:18] <rhin0> supported by canonical .. with patches
[10:18] <antisober552> Ok
[10:18] <rhin0> seriously -- running xubuntu 10.04 now is like running win xp
[10:19] <rhin0> if you were into windows (retchesp)
[10:19] <rhin0> i retch gaaah.
[10:19] <rhin0> i wasn't that impressed to be getting complete lockups with the lates xubuntU lts
[10:19] <rhin0> backed away off it
[10:19] <antisober552> Yeah ivehad windows xp installed all my time of having this pcand im kinda board with it so i thought about ubuntu
[10:20] <rhin0> xubuntu gives you a traditional desktop
[10:20] <rhin0> ubuntu now has gone more like apple
[10:20] <antisober552> Yeah
[10:20] <rhin0> I'm sick of people changing an OS completely every few years -- I walked off ub ujntu because of that (when they went to unity)
[10:21] <rhin0> thats why I don't go near windows -- look @ the difference now between win 7 and win 8
[10:21] <rhin0> they are throwing new paradigms at their poor sap users for marketing reasons
[10:21] <rhin0> that marketing reason being, that they need to develop a mobile platform
[10:21] <antisober552> Oh i know win 7 was okay but win 8 is bad i hate it
[10:21] <rhin0> because currently microsoft is as good as dead mobile (market share)
[10:23] <antisober552> So i dont care if i cant update i just want a pc which runs really fast on a diffent  os
[10:23] <rhin0> you'll find that xubuntu  is far less bloated than micorosft product
[10:23] <carrera> thanks for all the help guys. see u tomorrow!  :)
[10:23] <rhin0> its small
[10:23] <rhin0> i load this on a 500gb disk and its 1% usage upon install
[10:24] <antisober552> Soim gunna download xubuntu 10.04 as i like the xubuntu 12.04 look
[10:24] <rhin0> I think you can upgrade xfce on 10.04
[10:24] <rhin0> the xfce 4.2 (new release) which is on 12.04
[10:24] <rhin0> is more luxurious
[10:24] <rhin0> it is very nice really
[10:24] <antisober552> That one thing i wo7ld want to update
[10:25] <rhin0> I set up plenty of panel applets
[10:25] <rhin0> all I need
[10:25] <rhin0> right click on panel ..set up blank pannel applet (for anything)
[10:25] <rhin0> pure utility
[10:25]  * rhin0 has many setup 
[10:26] <antisober552> Umm where can i download xubuntu 10.04
[10:26] <rhin0> ill give u the link for the iso brb
[10:26] <antisober552> Okay thx
[10:26] <rhin0> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.04/release/
[10:26] <rhin0>  xubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:26] <rhin0> for 64 bit -- "dessktop"
[10:27] <rhin0> plain install
[10:27] <rhin0> "alternate" .. is a lower graphics install
[10:27] <antisober552> I need the intel one
[10:27] <rhin0> desktop install gives you a full gui on install
[10:27] <rhin0>  xubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[10:27] <rhin0> i386 = intel (non 64 bit)
[10:27] <antisober552> Okay
[10:27] <rhin0> xubuntu-10.04.2-alternate-i386.iso          <- alternatively (low graphics install) (low resource install)
[10:28] <rhin0> you download the iso
[10:28] <rhin0> then use your cd burner
[10:28] <rhin0> no idew wht it is on windows
[10:28] <rhin0> or on ubuntu I personally use "sudo usb-creator-gtk" to blank and write the iso to a usb key
[10:28] <rhin0> works fine
[10:28] <rhin0> thats the most basic working tool to write iso images to a usb key (IMO)
[10:29] <rhin0> both methods (cd or usb) give you a bootable "live" issue of xubuntu
[10:29] <rhin0> which will connect, booted off a cd or usb key
[10:29] <rhin0> when you have install .. be sure to set up "software sources"
[10:29] <rhin0> "applications > system > software sources"
[10:30] <antisober552> Well i do it of usb would that be fine
[10:30] <rhin0> and tick the boxes on the tab "other softrware" for "canonical"
[10:30] <antisober552> Or would it be best off cd
[10:30] <rhin0> to make sure your repositiory is up to date use sudo apt-get update
[10:30] <rhin0> "sudo .. " etc
[10:30] <antisober552> Yeah
[10:30] <rhin0> then when it's all updated
[10:31] <rhin0> after you've clicked on to get the 200mb of updates it'll signal you with
[10:31] <rhin0> then, you can download the drivers it knows you need
[10:31] <rhin0> if you have hardware that doesn't have a linux driver right now
[10:31] <rhin0> say a comms card
[10:31] <antisober552> Okay dude thx for your help
[10:31] <rhin0> you can use "ndiswrapper" (plenty info out there) .. to "wrap" a proprietary windows driver .. so the dfvice is useable on linux, using the windows driver
[10:32] <rhin0> then .... .. you can hit the thing with a SLEDGEHAMMER multiple times and it will not break (10.04 is so robust IMO)
[10:32] <antisober552> I have a wifi pci card will that be picked up at start
[10:32] <rhin0> therres good sites for linux wireless compatibility, driver sources .. at the most you have to go to your hardware site
[10:32] <rhin0> simplest solution IMO is to use a wireless usb key
[10:32] <antisober552> Or will i need the drivera
[10:33] <rhin0> say a netgear WG511 ... totally, absolutely compatible
[10:33] <rhin0> xubuntu picks up hardware like that automatically
[10:33] <rhin0> say a "belkin" wireless usb key
[10:33] <rhin0> buy the most common (buy the cheapes) .. its like having a ford escort
[10:33] <rhin0> all works
[10:34] <antisober552> Okay thx
[10:34] <rhin0> nothing faster in this game at a certain level .. all you want a comms card/key to do is work
[10:34] <rhin0> and they all work the same
[10:34] <rhin0> np
[10:35] <packetfrog> I like mine to be hackable
[10:35] <packetfrog> so i can look at your packets
[10:35] <antisober552> To be fair ever since i replaced my hdd master sleve xubuntu 12.04 runs well
[10:35] <packetfrog> >|:D
[10:35] <antisober552> Touch wood
[10:35] <packetfrog> ^ Packet samurai face.
[10:36] <rhin0> packefrog must be a nunja leet haxxor
[10:36] <packetfrog> No, Im not chinese.
[10:36] <packetfrog> >:(*
[12:21] <kerl> hello
[12:22] <kerl> hey packetfrog you there?
[12:24] <kerl> can anyone help me with TinyCore ?
[12:26] <kerl> I'm new on linux and dont know how to install stuff on TinyCore
[12:27] <Pici> kerl: This channel is for Xubuntu support only. We don't support other distros.  Try #tinycorelinux or ##linux
[12:27] <cfhowlett> kerl, this is xubuntu support.  see tiny core 's page for support options
[12:28] <kerl> thanks it's just i talked to someone about that distro yesterday
[13:30] <antisober552> Hi gridcube
[13:31] <GridCube> hi antisober552
[13:31] <antisober552> That os u said about didnt load
[13:32] <antisober552> Mageia
[13:32] <GridCube> was a long shot
[13:33] <antisober552> Yeah i guess but ive changed my master sleeve for the hdd and xubuntu has not crashed as much as before
[13:34] <antisober552> Hi rhin0
[13:35] <rhin0> hi antisober552
[13:36] <antisober552> Ive had to put xubuntu on to a dvd and bootit that way since i dont that the installing it is working im about 75\% thought the setup
[13:36] <rhin0> #1 issue for getting xubuntu up and running is connection (obviously)
[13:36] <rhin0> yeah - dvd will be faster
[13:36] <antisober552> Im still installing it to the hard drive
[13:37] <antisober552> Ive not even got togetting it connected to theinternet
[13:39] <kgb> antisober552: master sleeve?.. btw., (x)ubuntu 13.04 is pretty slick (still just beta 2, should be coming out April 25th)
[13:39] <kgb> oh you meant USB?
[13:40] <GridCube> the live session connects to the internet
[13:40] <GridCube> kgb, he mean to "slave"
[13:40] <antisober552> Yeah sorry
[13:41] <antisober552> It does not happen as much as it did but on 12.04 the pc just freezes and i cant seem to find out why so im going to 10.04
[13:41] <kgb> antisober552: sometimes.. the CD will work - rather than the DVD - and vice versa, btw.
[13:42] <kgb> had that happen on this machine here, in the past
[13:44] <antisober552> Ive had window xp ,vista and win 7 on this pc and never happend once i had ubuntu install as well but it was laggy but never freezed but since i wipe my hdd and installed xubuntu 12.04 i get the pc freeze at random
[13:45] <antisober552> So im installing 10.04 to see if i have the problem on this version
[13:45] <antisober552> Then i might try the beta
[13:48] <kgb> did you make some empty space and let the installer "install along side of windows" or did you partition yourself.. could be that there's a mistake there MAYBE
[13:48] <kgb> bc i really haven't had a single problem since (x)ubuntu 12.04
[13:49] <antisober552> No xubuntu as a clean install
[13:49] <kgb> oh
[13:49] <kgb> :(
[13:49] <antisober552> I got board with windows so i gotrid of it
[13:49] <kgb> hehe cool!
[13:50] <kgb> btw., with Sandy bridge (and higher), there is CPU virtualization to run windows within the oracle vm for example
[13:50] <antisober552> And ilike the fact 6hat xubuntu looks so clean
[13:50] <kgb> yea XFCE rly came a long way :))
[13:51] <kgb> ^^ there's a BIOS option to turn on virtualization
[13:51] <kgb> *uefi bios
[13:51] <antisober552> The only problem i have is that i have an iphone and that need itunes 11
[13:52] <kgb> right, i downloaded windows xp 64-bit and using that for some apps; works pretty flawlessly
[13:52] <kgb> *xp 64-bit sp2
[13:52] <kgb> .. not 2 bother with Wine
[13:52] <antisober552> Yeah i was gunna try and keep to on os if i can
[13:53] <kgb> sure, this isn't dual-booting; oracle vm runs it as a file
[13:53] <antisober552> Ive had wine before on ubuntu and it never worked with itunes
[13:53] <antisober552> Okay will it run on ubuntu
[13:54] <kgb> https://www.virtualbox.org/ (and there's a plugin, for hardware)
[13:54] <antisober552> Okay well xubuntu is still installing
[13:54] <rhin0> i get my ipod mini updating from some ubungu prog
[13:55] <kgb> "VirtualBox 4.2.12 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack" is what's needed...
[13:55] <antisober552> Okay thxs
[13:55] <kgb> sure :)
[13:55] <kgb> one sec, i will find the link to optimize the image file as well
[13:55] <rhin0> that gives you usb
[13:55] <antisober552> This group is so helpful at times
[13:55] <rhin0> the virtualbox from the site > the virtualbox from synaptic (ubuntu package)
[13:56] <antisober552> Rhin0 i need help]it installed but i got a message up for the grub-pc
[13:56] <kgb> here, this topic isn't bad.. i was able to cut-down the initial install from over 5GB, to under 4GB (after defragmenting with Raxco perfectdisk and compacting) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464248
[13:57] <rhin0> grub = bootloader
[13:57] <rhin0> just hit return
[13:57] <antisober552> No its says
[13:57] <kgb> rhin0: yeah, it's for USB, good call
[13:57] <kgb> (he will need that)
[13:57] <antisober552> Install the grub boot loader to the master boot record
[13:57] <antisober552> Yew or no
[13:58] <kgb> nah, imo, it's not necessary; but it matters in some cases
[13:58] <kgb> strange it doesn't ask me that, on default install
[13:59] <antisober552> So yes or no ?
[13:59] <kgb> not sure!..:)
[13:59] <antisober552> Rhin0 ?
[13:59] <rhin0> what
[14:00] <rhin0> yeah
[14:00] <rhin0> mbr
[14:00] <rhin0> yes
[14:00] <antisober552> Okay
[14:00] <rhin0> if you want to blow away windows
[14:00] <rhin0> ie.
[14:00] <rhin0> you are not installing side by side
[14:00] <rhin0> is it a clean install of linux onto machine
[14:00] <rhin0> nothing else
[14:00] <rhin0> if so "yes" to that
[14:00] <GridCube> andrzejr, yes
[14:00] <GridCube> antisober552,
[14:00] <GridCube> yes
[14:01] <rhin0> i thin khes got the alternative install
[14:01] <kgb> (maybe make sure it's going to sda - to the correct hdd if you have more than one plugged in)
[14:01] <rhin0> going
[14:04] <antisober552> Okay its not booting
[14:05] <kgb> blah how come, no grub showing up?
[14:05] <antisober552> Nope
[14:05] <kgb> :(
[14:05] <kgb> so you have more than 1 HDD plugged in?
[14:06] <antisober552> I only have one hdd
[14:06] <kgb> hm
[14:06] <GridCube> antisober552, try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[14:06] <GridCube> i cant help you further tho, i think you have a hardware issue
[14:07] <antisober552> I dont have any way off booto=ing to do a boot repair
[14:07] <antisober552> I guess i will try 13.04
[14:08] <GridCube> antisober552, you do have access to the live session on the dvd
[14:08] <antisober552> No
[14:08] <rhin0> is it an old machine .. I mean -- your install was slow
[14:09] <antisober552> 6his machine in 9 years old
[14:09] <GridCube> antisober552, well sorry then i dont know
[14:09] <antisober552> On 6hats fine
[14:09] <GridCube> try a new hd maybe? :(
[14:09] <cfhowlett> antisober552, lubuntu or xubuntu 12.04 LTS are suggested
[14:09] <rhin0> thats OLD now
[14:09] <kgb> by the way, why not use a USB to install - instead of cd/dvd (it's a *lot* faster)
[14:09] <rhin0> also what spec
[14:09] <GridCube> antisober552, for such an old machine a non-pae kernel its recommended tho
[14:10] <rhin0> its going to run like a dog with 512mb of ram
[14:10] <kgb> oh, true, alternate CD for older (non-pae kernel)
[14:10] <GridCube> so 12.04 xubuntu its your bet option
[14:10] <rhin0> maybe
[14:10] <rhin0> check hardware requirements (wikipedia, xubuntu)
[14:10]  * rhin0 guesses its only got 512mb ram
[14:10] <rhin0> also the disk may be v old
[14:11] <antisober552> Okay spec of this pc is 768 mb of ram 80 gb hdd readon 9200 and its a p4
[14:11] <rhin0> 9 years old = slow
[14:11] <rhin0> thats an old hard drive
[14:11] <rhin0> p4 = ancient
[14:11] <rhin0> you are at the barest level for running modern ubuntu
[14:11] <kgb> antisober552: i was able to do a regular install with radeon 9250 and p4 celeron D in the past (xubuntu 12.04)
[14:11] <antisober552> Hey i wont have that xubuntu runs well on 6his pc it just freezes random
[14:11] <rhin0> im pessimistic
[14:12] <rhin0> also 768mb of ram is an irregular ram size
[14:12] <rhin0> there could be mis-matched anything on that machine
[14:12] <antisober552> Meaning
[14:12] <kgb> rhin0: not if it's not dual-channel RAM; should be fine, right?
[14:12] <rhin0> ok ok
[14:12] <rhin0> not a hardware person
[14:12] <GridCube> (mis-matched rams never stopped me)
[14:12] <kgb> :)
[14:13]  * GridCube has 1*512mb, 1*1gn, 2*2gb
[14:13] <kgb> dang xD
[14:13] <antisober552> No still the same ram which was in the pc when it was brought
[14:14] <antisober552> I have a dell opitplex gx240 lol
[14:14] <antisober552> That was m6 very first pc i ever got
[14:15] <kgb> antisober552: the HDD is completely empty, you have no data on it that you need to keep??
[14:16] <antisober552> Yes it was a complet wipe im gunna get 12.04 lts on dvd and install that way'
[14:16] <kgb> ok if you can wipe it and you have patience, boot from the cd/dvd/usb and just remove all partitions with gparted and don't make any
[14:16] <kgb> then run the installer after rebooting
[14:17] <kgb> that might do the trick
[14:17] <antisober552> I cant find specs for xubuntu
[14:17] <GridCube> antisober552, you should be fine, but slow
[14:17] <antisober552> Okay
[14:18] <GridCube> if, and only if, hardware is fine
[14:18] <kgb> if you have a USB, stick xubuntu on it with http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[14:18] <antisober552> I deleted it ;(
[14:18] <kgb> ah
[14:18] <antisober552> Should i try 62 bit ?
[14:18] <GridCube> no
[14:18] <GridCube> 32
[14:19] <kgb> your PC is 99% not 64-bit =)
[14:19] <GridCube> use 32
[14:19] <antisober552> Cause ive had win 7 62bit installed on that pc before
[14:19] <GridCube> antisober552, its 64, not 62, 64 its 32+32
[14:19] <kgb> oh no kidding.. then go with 64-bit; the xubuntu installer will tell you if you can't install 64-bit
[14:20] <antisober552> Sorry its this keyboard im using on android
[14:20] <GridCube> O_o its 64? or 32? you put half of those numbers
[14:20] <kgb> anyway GridCube when he tries to start it with AMD64 it will tell him if his PC is 32-bit
[14:21] <GridCube> sure
[14:21] <antisober552> No ill go with 32 bit cause when i installed the 64 bit win 7 it ran like a bag of crap
[14:21] <kgb> if you put 32-bit on 64-bit machine, it means that everything will be translated and it will run actually slower
[14:21] <genii-around> Hard to tell though if thats because it's 64 bit, or because it's Win 7 ...
[14:22] <rhin0> try 65 bit
[14:22] <rhin0> ok ok not funny
[14:22] <kgb> hehe ;p
[14:22] <antisober552> Lol
[14:22] <rhin0> maybe lubuntu will run better on a machine that old
[14:22] <GridCube> or puppy
[14:22] <rhin0> cos it is a lot smaller footprint,faster
[14:22] <antisober552> Its does not
[14:23] <rhin0> but .. its not as "luxurious" as xubuntu
[14:23] <antisober552> Lubuntu does not even load
[14:23] <rhin0> also -- its not xfce .. its lxde
[14:23] <rhin0> its a bit non standard iMO
[14:23] <rhin0> puppys a more widely used distro than xubuntu
[14:23] <rhin0> its in the top 5
[14:24] <rhin0> xu buntu is about 28 now
[14:24] <antisober552> I dont like puppy its all over the place
[14:24] <rhin0> horses for courses
[14:24] <kgb> .. there's crunchbang
[14:25] <kgb> but try erasing the partitions and just running the installer with no manual partition creation.. still *might* work that way
[14:25] <antisober552> I will try xubuntu install by dvd if it freezes ill go to crunchbang
[14:26] <kgb> and i'm out 2 get a haircut :) w00t
[14:27] <antisober552> Oksy thx for the help
[14:27] <antisober552> Im going to change my keyboard
[14:28] <antisober552> Thats better
[15:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: May I inquire about one of your work items in Xubuntu: "See if we ship the Pidgin IRC client by default" What did that mean?
[15:18] <rhin0> k
[15:18] <SonikkuAmerica> l
[15:18] <antisober552> Hi guys
[15:18] <rhin0> was in bash sorry
[15:18] <antisober552> Lol
[15:18] <SonikkuAmerica> rhin0: Oh. No biggie. :)
[15:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello again andrzejr
[15:19] <rhin0> i've got a batch file "k"
[15:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Or rather hello antisober552
[15:19] <rhin0> kills .....
[15:19] <rhin0> without mercy
[15:19] <antisober552> Hi
[15:31] <aiena> Hi I need help getting my geniusPen M406 graphic tablet to work on xubuntu 12.0.4 LTS any tips ?
[15:32] <SonikkuAmerica> That wouldn't be Wacom-based, would it?
[15:35] <aiena> no non wacom based
[15:35] <aiena> do you thin using wine + the wiondows driver will work ?
[15:35] <aiena> sorry I am new to linux as a whole
[15:35] <SonikkuAmerica> No.
[15:35] <aiena> I am running dual boot
[15:36] <SonikkuAmerica> You might want ndiswrapper though.
[15:36] <aiena> it has a macosx driver
[15:36] <aiena> do you think that can be used
[15:36] <aiena> since mac is unix based
[15:36] <aiena> I think
[15:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Can you pastebin your [ lsusb ] output?
[15:37] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: I think it can. Step 1: ^
[15:37] <aiena> one sec
[15:39] <aiena> SonikkuAmerica: http://pastebin.com/rbeKRwqr
[15:40] <aiena> the last one kye systems is the usb device
[15:40] <SonikkuAmerica> OK. Now how about [ xinput list ]?
[15:42] <aiena> SonikkuAmerica: pastebin.com/3Fk4EqYB
[15:43] <aiena> it is there as Genius EasyPenM406
[15:43] <aiena> under virtual core poiner
[15:43] <SonikkuAmerica> id=16
[15:43]  * aiena nods
[15:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Does it work as a mouse?
[15:43] <aiena> yes
[15:43] <aiena> but no clicking
[15:43] <GridCube> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2040033
[15:43] <aiena> no pressure sensitvity
[15:44] <SonikkuAmerica> GridCube: I was looking at that first thing. GMTA.
[15:44] <mo> howdy, i have a question
[15:44] <SonikkuAmerica> !question | mo
[15:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Guest74470: Did you forget to auth?
[15:44] <Guest74470> i try to lock down some settings
[15:44] <Guest74470> no, didn't know io have to. no matter.
[15:44] <aiena> GridCube: thanks looking at the video
[15:45] <Guest74470> i tried to use /etc/xdg/xfce4/kiosk/kioskrc
[15:45] <Guest74470> but it seems not to be read at all
[15:45] <Guest74470> (tried strace -f to check for that.)
[15:45] <Guest74470> and nothing honors the settings therein
[15:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Guest74470: That's probably becuase it's .kioskrc
[15:46] <Guest74470> why would it be?
[15:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Or it's kiosk.rc
[15:46] <aiena> GridCube: thats exactly what is happening
[15:46] <SonikkuAmerica> either way
[15:46] <Guest74470> in libxfce4util there is exactly that path given (strings /usr/lib/libxfc....)
[15:47] <Guest74470> xfce4-kiosk-query gives me the correct information about locked down capabilities
[15:47] <Guest74470> but xfce (and the xubuntu-session) don't honor those settings
[15:47] <GridCube> aiena, read the thread
[15:47] <Guest74470> do you know anything about that?
[15:47] <aiena> yes reading !!
[15:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Guest74470: Can't say I have... you may need to wait around or ask in #xfce
[15:48] <GridCube> Guest74470, a workaround we found once was to change the owner of ~/.config/xfce4 files to root, that way no changes will affect the files by the user meddlings
[15:49] <Guest74470> that is not so good
[15:49] <GridCube> do you understand what i mean?
[15:49] <GridCube> yes, thats not the best option but kiosk doesnt really work anymore
[15:49] <Guest74470> because our homedirs are on an nfs, and the /etc/skel is chowned to the newly created users and stuff
[15:50] <GridCube> cant you just make ~/.config/xfce4 a symlink to a root dir?
[15:50] <Guest74470> so, having root:root files in $HOMEs is ... kinda tinkery
[15:50] <Guest74470> i could do that, yes
[15:50] <GridCube> Guest74470, i know this is not optimal, but its the best workaround we found
[15:51] <Guest74470> would have been nice to have a 'real' xfce-way solution
[15:51] <Guest74470> booted kde out for that
[15:51] <GridCube> Guest74470, yes, i know
[15:51] <GridCube> you could ask on #xfce but i dont think it would change much
[15:52] <Guest74470> (there is NO way to config a kde besides the graphical stuff. a zillion files which are all working together, .inis, xmls ans config-servers... that's no way to admin many users
[15:52] <Guest74470> and the docs are for kde 2.somethingreallyold
[15:52] <Guest74470> ok
[15:52] <GridCube> Guest74470, you could report the kiosk fail to the #xfce-dev people and see if they can guide you? but i don't know
[15:52] <Guest74470> will do
[15:52] <Guest74470> thanks anyway :)
[15:53] <GridCube> Guest74470, good lucks and report your findings if you do find a best solution i would like to know
[16:07] <xubuntu351> Hi, I have a proplem during the install process where I get the following message "We're sorry; the installer crashed.  After you close this window, we'll allow..."
[16:08] <GridCube> what release?
[16:08] <GridCube> did you check the iso?
[16:08] <xubuntu351> 12.10
[16:08] <GridCube> !md5
[16:10] <xubuntu351> I will check it now. But I've had the same error twice.  The first time was trying to instaqll on a normall HDD from a USB and the second time was trying again from a CD rom to my primary SSD.
[16:11] <GridCube> mmm maybe its another problem then, what computer is it?
[16:14] <xubuntu351> It is an Acer Veriton S6710
[16:14] <xubuntu351> Also, I have installed successfully on another pc
[16:18] <xubuntu351> Is it possible that the error is caused because of a connectivity issue? This machine uses a wireless connection.  My other is hard wired.
[16:21] <GridCube> it might, but you can unplug it completely from the internet first if that bothers you, the install will use the cd files and will update later
[16:23] <aiena> GridCube: synaptics says that the installed version of evdev is 1.2.7.3 but I cannot find version 2.5.99 listed
[16:23] <aiena> snyway I can get it
[16:23] <aiena> *anyway
[16:23] <GridCube> thats a huge leap between versions there
[16:24] <aiena> yes
[16:24] <GridCube> and why do you need this newer version?
[16:25] <aiena> see http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/digimend/index.php?title=Tablet_support_status
[16:25] <aiena> specifcally KYE EasyPen M406
[16:25] <aiena> in that link
[16:26] <GridCube> aiena, have you tried other graphic programs? like krita, mypaint, gimp, pinta?
[16:26] <aiena> I tried with gimp as base
[16:26] <aiena> krita states on its site that it only supports wacom
[16:26] <aiena> so that may not be a good testebed
[16:26] <aiena> *test bed
[16:26] <GridCube> !info evdev
[16:27] <aiena> hmm
[16:28] <GridCube> !search evdev
[16:29] <GridCube> !info xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[16:29] <aiena> wait one sec
[16:29] <aiena> hmm it say 1:2.7.0 in synaptics
[16:30] <aiena> does that mean 2.7.0 is the version number ?
[16:30] <GridCube> i dont know what that means
[16:30] <GridCube> probably yes
[16:34] <GridCube> !info linux-generic
[16:37] <aiena> GridCube: can you red http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/digimend/index.php?title=Tablet_setup_with_xf86-input-evdev and tell me what you understand from it ?
[16:37] <aiena> *read
[16:39] <aiena> maybe I have to alter the configuration file
[16:39] <aiena> and then it will work
[16:39] <aiena> but not sure
[16:39] <GridCube> :/ i dont know any of this xorg magic
[16:39] <aiena> (:
[16:40] <aiena> Well I guess I'll never get it working the way its supposed to but will keep trying
[16:41] <GridCube> aiena, maybe ask on #xorg ? give them all the info you gathered and that page especifically
[16:41] <aiena> thanks GridCube
[16:46] <aiena> GridCube: Whenever I use the sudo command to install a package it request my authentication in the terminal but whenever i try to  type in anything it does not go into the terminal
[16:46] <aiena> this is weird
[16:47] <aiena> if i press ctrl+z it quits and input works normally again in terminal
[16:47] <GridCube> it should
[16:47] <GridCube> sudo doesnt change your user, its just for the running application
[16:47] <aiena> ok
[16:48] <aiena> I am installing wizardpen
[16:48] <aiena> it might fix my problem
[16:48] <aiena> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/digimend/index.php?title=Tablet_setup_with_WizardPen
[16:48] <aiena> i have succeded uptill unzipping the tarball no the desktop
[16:49] <aiena> now I need to compile it
[16:49] <aiena> but not sure about the dependency bit
[16:49] <aiena> can you help
[16:49] <GridCube> if deps are unmet it will tell you
[16:50] <GridCube> read the README files
[16:52] <aiena> it states
[16:52] <aiena>  
[16:52] <aiena> Packages to build you must have installed:
[16:52] <aiena>  
[16:52] <aiena> sudo apt-get install xutils-dev xutils libx11-dev libxext-dev build-essential xautomation xinput xserver-xorg-dev
[16:52] <aiena>  
[16:52] <aiena> but running the sudo command doesn;t work
[16:52] <aiena> I am on administrator login
[16:52] <aiena> how do I install the deps
[16:53] <aiena> synaptics ?
[16:53] <GridCube> adinistrator login?
[16:53] <GridCube> there is no such thing
[16:53] <aiena> administrator
[16:53] <aiena> hmm maybe not
[16:54] <aiena> theres one in windows I assumed it was so in linux too as i use the same authentication to install drivers etc
[16:54] <GridCube> aiena, sudo apt-get should work, unless you have another apt program locking the sources
[16:54] <aiena> it works untill it ask for my authetication
[16:55] <GridCube> its your password
[16:55] <aiena> then when i type any letter in terminal
[16:55] <GridCube> the one you use to login to the system everyday
[16:55] <aiena> it freezes over till i press ctrl+z
[16:55] <aiena> i can't input a thing into terminal
[16:55] <aiena> at that point
[16:55] <aiena> this is the problem
[16:55] <GridCube> when you type your password you dont see anything
[16:55] <GridCube> but its typing
[16:56] <GridCube> just hit enter after the password is entered
[16:57] <aiena> GridCube: ah it is hidden
[16:57] <aiena> thanks
[16:57] <aiena> should i unplug my tablet when istallingt dependencies and wizardpen ?
[16:58] <aiena> *installing
[16:58] <GridCube> dont see why you should
[16:58] <aiena> ok
[16:59] <aiena> dependencies are installing I am getting all the feedback in the terminal I'll inform you when its done installing
[16:59] <aiena> ok completed
[17:01] <GridCube> aiena, linux does have an "administrator" user, his name is "root" you use sudo to fake root
[17:01] <GridCube> !root
[17:01] <aiena> ok
[17:02] <aiena> ls
[17:02] <aiena> ok
[17:03] <aiena> I am leaning more about the terminal from you thanksa lot
[17:03] <aiena> *learning
[17:03] <aiena> I am familiar with the dos shell but not the linux shell
[17:04] <GridCube> lol, after using a real terminal you will want to kill cmd
[17:05] <aiena> definitely
[17:05] <aiena> :P
[17:05] <aiena> linux terminal is way more powerful
[17:05] <GridCube> autocompletion and bash history have saved my life more than once
[17:05] <aiena> also dangerous though
[17:05] <GridCube> not really, if you dont  use sudo
[17:05] <aiena> ok
[17:06] <aiena> GridCube: now I am supposed to run autogen.sh
[17:06] <aiena> do i run it with ./autogen.sh
[17:06] <GridCube> i would guess so, if thats what the README says
[17:07] <aiena> the readme does not say that this http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/digimend/index.php?title=Tablet_setup_with_WizardPen does under compiling section
[17:07] <aiena> maybe i have to chmod +x it
[17:07] <aiena> but i forgot if it is chmod+x autogen.sh
[17:07] <aiena> or chmod +x ./autogen.sh
[17:07] <aiena> or chmod +x /autogen.sh
[17:08] <aiena> what do you think just read the link
[17:08] <aiena> and tell me
[17:08] <aiena> they have this line ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
[17:09] <aiena> though i dont know what the prefix bit at the end means
[17:10] <GridCube> aiena, its the a makefile file there?
[17:11] <aiena> but is the --prefix=/usr needed
[17:11] <aiena> what does that bit mena
[17:11] <aiena> *mean
[17:11] <aiena> do i have to chmod +x autogen.sh
[17:12] <GridCube> it means if you want to change where the program will reside, in this case /usr
[17:12] <aiena> ok
[17:12] <knome> most probably not if the instructions do not say so.
[17:12] <aiena> the instructions on the website say so
[17:12] <aiena> so i think so it has to reside there
[17:12] <GridCube> do so then
[17:12] <aiena> GridCube: is that the correct syntax
[17:13] <GridCube> yes
[17:13] <GridCube> it will generate the makefile
[17:14] <aiena> GridCube: it says autoreconf not found
[17:14] <aiena> what does that mean ?
[17:15] <GridCube> !search autoreconf
[17:16] <GridCube> !info build-essentials
[17:16] <GridCube> whaaat
[17:16] <knome> !info build-essential
[17:17] <baizon> damn, he was faster :(
[17:17] <knome> hah, i even double-checked with apt-get show on a terminal.
[17:18] <baizon> i did with http://packages.ubuntu.com :>
[17:18] <aiena> grid
[17:18] <aiena> GridCube:
[17:18] <aiena> autoconf libtool pkg-config
[17:18] <aiena> The program 'autoconf' can be found in the following packages:
[17:18] <aiena>  * autoconf
[17:18] <aiena>  * autoconf2.13
[17:18] <aiena> Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[17:18] <aiena> i presume this means autoconf isnt there yet
[17:18] <knome> !pastebin | aiena
[17:19] <GridCube> lol i added an s
[17:19] <aiena> knome: it was short so thought I'd just list it here directly
[17:20] <GridCube> aiena, as said, you probably need build-essential
[17:20] <GridCube> i didnt say it tho
[17:20] <aiena> GridCube: you are right
[17:20] <aiena> it is listed on the website
[17:21] <aiena> but it waqs not listed in the readmen
[17:21] <aiena> i sudo built from the readme
[17:22] <aiena> it states build-essential is already the newest version
[17:22] <xubuntu481> hi
[17:23] <GridCube> !hi | xubuntu481
[17:23] <aiena> GridCube: what is autorenconf ?
[17:24] <GridCube> i have not the slightiest idea
[17:24] <aiena> one sec
[17:24] <GridCube> !info autoconf
[17:24] <aiena> GridCube: see http://pastebin.com/q1NdsSCU
[17:25] <GridCube> have you already installed build-essential?
[17:26] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[17:27] <aiena> yes
[17:27] <aiena> when i sudo
[17:27] <aiena> it sates that I already have the latest version
[17:27] <aiena> and terminates
[17:28] <aiena> GridCube: http://pastebin.com/7gTyMFQ8
[17:29] <aiena> GridCube: http://www.gnu.org/savannah-checkouts/gnu/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.69/html_node/autoreconf-Invocation.html
[17:29] <aiena> autoreconf icalls autoconf
[17:29] <aiena> so and other things
[17:29] <aiena> *calls
[17:29] <GridCube> then sudo apt-get install autoconf
[17:29] <aiena> ok
[17:30] <aiena> ok installing
[17:30] <aiena> ok done installing
[17:31] <GridCube> try again
[17:31] <aiena> should i retry the .sh
[17:31] <aiena> ok
[17:32] <aiena> GridCube: http://pastebin.com/QbQDt34k
[17:33] <aiena> i presume i need to install the other components too for autoreconf
[17:33] <aiena> autoconf, autoheader, aclocal, automake, libtoolize, and autopoint
[17:33] <GridCube> yes
[17:33] <GridCube> all of them
[17:33] <aiena> these are called by autoreconf
[17:33] <antisober552> Hi guys ive instslled xubuntu 13.04 looks great
[17:33] <aiena> ok doing
[17:34] <antisober552> But the systems wirking good no freezes touch wood
[17:34] <GridCube> compiling does that kind of things aiena it does needs lots of things to work, thats why we all preffer .deb files where all the compiling was already done
[17:34]  * aiena nods
[17:34] <aiena> I agree
[17:34] <GridCube> antisober552, :D excellent
[17:34]  * GridCube crossfingers for antisober552 
[17:35] <antisober552> The only thing is i cant get it to detect my wifi card
[17:37] <aiena> GridCube: ubuntu cant find the package autoheader needed by autoreconf
[17:37] <aiena> dont know what to do
[17:39] <rhin0> is it wrong not to like regex
[17:40] <aiena> it cant find autoheader and libtoolize in http://www.gnu.org/savannah-checkouts/gnu/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.69/html_node/autoreconf-Invocation.html
[17:40] <aiena> sigh
[17:40] <knome> aiena, they are probably in other packages, starting with lib*. you could also install intltool if that's what it's after.
[17:41] <aiena> one sec knome cal you have a look at http://pastebin.com/Sb2mkN5P
[17:42] <aiena> *can you have a ...
[17:42] <aiena> see line 14 onwards
[17:42] <knome> aiena, you can try to install the package libtool as well.
[17:43] <antisober552> Okay can some one help me it looks like i will install my drivers for my wifi card as its not reading
[17:43] <aiena> knome: trying and will see
[17:45] <aiena> knome: it succeded but I made a mistake i forgot to add the --prefix=/usr
[17:45] <aiena> so how do i do what --prefix=/usr does manually
[17:45] <knome> just run the script again with that
[17:46] <knome> you have done nothing final/irreversible yet.
[17:46] <aiena> ok thanks
[17:47] <aiena> ok
[17:47] <aiena> now i should run the next 2 commands make
[17:48] <aiena> and sudo make install
[17:48] <aiena> right
[17:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Will the messaging menu ever come back to Xubuntu?
[17:48] <aiena> i think so everything is correct to this point
[17:49] <aiena> knome: is make irrevocable ?
[17:49] <knome> no.
[17:49] <baizon> SonikkuAmerica: yes, since xfce is working on a gtk3 port. In the worst case it should happen 2015
[17:49] <aiena> what about make install
[17:49] <knome> that's somewhat more final.
[17:50] <aiena> ok
[17:50] <SonikkuAmerica> baizon: Guess that was a stupid question, because I knew XFCE was working on GTK+ 3 migration.
[17:50] <knome> there might be uninstallation instructions, but you probably want to see if what you build works first
[17:50] <aiena> ok
[17:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Then again, the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked... so...
[17:51] <baizon> SonikkuAmerica: well, else thats a question for #ubuntu, because they write the code :)
[17:51] <SonikkuAmerica> XD
[17:51] <knome> baizon, not really... they won't support GTK2.
[17:51] <knome> baizon, if it is going to be done, it's somebody that actually needs the GTK2 port.
[17:52] <baizon> knome: ok
[17:52] <SonikkuAmerica> MATE would, but that's kind of outta the league.
[17:52] <baizon> i think until then, xfce will be gtk3 :)
[17:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Soon enough it will... there's supposed to be GTK+ 3 forwards compat in 4.12, although it'll still be coded in GTK+ 2
[17:53] <antisober552> Hey guys do you think it could be my wifi card which is making ubuntu not boot or freezes the pc
[17:53] <baizon> antisober552: no
[17:54] <antisober552> Cause when the wifi pci card is put on the system my pc does not load xubuntu but with it out xubuntu loads first time
[17:56] <GridCube> it might be faulty the
[17:56] <antisober552> Just shut down pc pluged it in and no boot
[17:57] <GridCube> antisober552, maybe, just maybe, you have network boot enabled on your bios?
[17:57] <antisober552> Oh good thinking
[17:59] <aiena> knome: is there a way to open a directory in thunar by typing /usr/lib for example like in windows
[17:59] <aiena> i can find the bar only icons
[18:00] <GridCube> thunar /path/to/dir
[18:00] <knome> aiena, view -> location selector -> toolbar style
[18:00] <aiena> knome: thanks a lot I am more comfortable this way
[18:01] <antisober552> I cant see network boot in the bios
[18:02] <GridCube> then i dont know
[18:02] <aiena> brb - reboot
[18:03] <antisober552> Umm the only other thing i can think off is that my power supply is not powerful to run everythink
[18:03] <antisober552> But just took wifi card out and booted first time
[18:04] <antisober552> Its wired ummm
[18:05] <antisober552> Im gunna leave xubuntu running to see if it freezes cause i checked system required and my pc meets all requirement's
[18:28] <antisober552> Okay im 100% sure i might have a faulty pci card
[18:29] <GridCube> C: yay! antisober552
[18:29] <antisober552> For 20 mins pc been fine plug the pci card in and no boot
[18:30] <antisober552> Just pluged pci card out rebooted pc and boots on xubuntu first time
[18:32] <GridCube> C:
[18:32] <antisober552> So what can i do to get this pc online though wifi
[18:32] <antisober552> Can the card be unsuitible for ubuntu
[18:33] <GridCube> maybe try an usb network card
[18:34] <antisober552> Lol i dont have any i brought this one off a friend
[18:35] <antisober552> Umm might have to wait until payday to get one
[18:35] <antisober552> Of all things why the wifi card
[18:36] <antisober552> I also have a hdd problem but its not a problem as such
[18:37] <antisober552> When i boot pc i get a disk error but restart the pc it goes away
[18:38] <rhin0> glike I said .. ndiswrapper ""
[18:38] <rhin0> wraps windows drivers for use in linux
[18:38] <rhin0> so if the card doesn't have a linux driver
[18:38] <antisober552> No the pc does not like the card at all
[18:39] <rhin0> not even on windows
[18:39] <antisober552> If i put the wifi card in the pc does not boot
[18:39] <rhin0> get a usb wreiless dongle
[18:39] <rhin0> i recommend for standard
[18:39] <rhin0> netgear wg511 v2
[18:39] <rhin0> http://support.netgear.com/images/wg111v2_tcm122-54169.gif
[18:39] <rhin0> or 3
[18:39] <rhin0> that thing ^ is about as standard anc compatible as you can get
[18:40] <rhin0> works 100pc with xubuntu
[18:40] <rhin0> they're cheap
[18:40] <antisober552> I was thinking maybe getting a wifi dongle  + 3g so i can top it up and use it when im out
[18:41] <rhin0> $5.90
[18:41] <SonikkuAmerica> In which dollar?
[18:41]  * rhin0 has 2
[18:41] <rhin0> US
[18:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh good...
[18:41] <rhin0> i got one from china
[18:42] <SonikkuAmerica> I have a 300-300 USB WNA I got for $45
[18:42] <rhin0> http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mpFdd2LAih104D0O9uaX5gA.jpg
[18:42] <antisober552> Im not going 4 weeks without wifi on my pc
[18:42] <rhin0> router
[18:44] <antisober552> I cant believe out of all the things it could of been it had to be wifi card
[18:45] <antisober552> But loving xubuntu 13.04
[18:54] <MonoLinux> hola, alguien sabe cuanta ram usa Xubuntu sin intefaz grafica?
[18:57] <antisober552> Hey guys i have a spare motherboard its pretty much the same is i already got installed in my pc the only problem is that i beleive it has a bios problem
[18:57] <antisober552> Do you think i should try that board
[18:58] <tethtibis> what kind of problem?
[18:58] <tethtibis> have you tried removing the cmos battery and booting it to resolve the issue with it?
[18:58] <tethtibis> or have you tried re-flashing the bios to remove the issue?
[18:59] <antisober552> Well you boot this board up it gets so far then shuts down and
[18:59] <tethtibis> or, if you can actually access the bios, returning it to defaults?
[18:59] <antisober552> No cause i dont have the skills to do that
[18:59] <tethtibis> oh.
[19:00] <antisober552> I can access the bios using defualt settings does not work
[19:00] <tethtibis> well, if it's shutting down after a certain time, it could be related to heat or power.
[19:00] <antisober552> Ummmm
[19:01] <tethtibis> heat can be resolved by adding thermal paste to the heat sink on the processor usually,
[19:01] <antisober552> You get passed the bios then it just shuts off
[19:01] <tethtibis> and if it's a power issue, try running it with all the expansion cards removed.
[19:01] <tethtibis> yeah, that sounds like a heat or power issue, not bios.
[19:02] <antisober552> Okay thanks man you guys are really healpful
[19:02] <tethtibis> if it were a bios issue, it would generally give you some error, either on the screen, or audibly.
[19:02] <antisober552> I like my other board more aswell
[19:02] <tethtibis> np, hope it helps.
[19:02] <tethtibis> lol.
[19:02] <tethtibis> you can get thermal paster from any computer store or best buy for like 10 bucks.
[19:03] <tethtibis> *thermal paste*
[19:03] <tethtibis> I'd look into that before power supply.
[19:03] <tethtibis> heat is generally the first thing to cause that.
[19:04] <antisober552> I have thermal paste from fixing xbox 360 i did that as a little repair plase but
[19:04] <antisober552> Other thing my old board does not have sata where the board im using atm does
[19:05] <antisober552> Which i found out today while i striped my board
[19:06] <antisober552> Okay looking at my processor theres a pin missing
[19:06] <tethtibis> well, that's no good. :OP
[19:06] <antisober552> Nope
[19:07] <antisober552> I do have a new processor
[19:07] <tethtibis> i guess you found your problem, though. that's good. :O)
[19:07] <antisober552> The on board battery is in the wrong way
[19:08] <Pici> Surely this sounds like a better topic for ##hardware than #xubuntu
[19:08] <tethtibis> that only causes the cmos settings not to save, no biggie in this instance.
[19:08] <antisober552> I know
[19:09] <antisober552> I know this is of topic guys
[19:10] <antisober552> But i love doing this sort off stuff
[19:11] <tethtibis> honestly doesn't hurt my feelings. it's not like we were discussing anything else. :OP
[19:12] <antisober552> Lol
[19:12] <well_laid_lawn> I kept opening this channel thinking someone needed help but it was just random chatter...
[19:13] <well_laid_lawn> that's the point of #offtopic
[19:27] <antisober552> Hey dude it was a bad proccessor
[19:38] <aiena> Anybody who uses a genius tablet with xubuntu on this channel ?
[19:40] <antisober552> Even the pci card works on that board :-)
[19:42] <antisober552> So i how have 2 pc without hdd one with out ram but apart from that i got 3 of my old pc working i dont mind spending out on new ram and hdd
[19:43] <well_laid_lawn> !ot
[20:23] <carrera> Greetings Everyone!  :)
[20:26] <tethtibis> hello. :O)
[21:17] <aiena> is there any virtual audio driver in linux which can be used like stereo mix to stream all audio playing from the soundcard to audacity ?
[21:30] <carrera> Hi
[21:30] <Chaser> Hello, is there a cheese like webcam application suitable for xubuntu ? I don't want to pull in all the dependencies for cheese.
[21:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Chaser: Why not?
[21:31] <carrera> how can I change the Settings->Window Manager->Keyboard shortcuts?
[21:32] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: Hit the green + sign near the bottom.
[21:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Or click the shortcut you wish to change.
[21:32] <carrera> SonikkuAmerica, I don't have it. All I have is Clear and Reset to Defaults
[21:32] <Chaser> SonikkuAmerica, It wants to install various gnome stuff.
[21:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Chaser: GNOME stuff? Or GTK stuff?
[21:34] <carrera> SonikkuAmerica, nothing happens when I click the shortcuts either
[21:34] <Chaser> SonikkuAmerica, I am guessing GNOME as the extra packages it wants to install are brasero* gstreamer* some evolution packages apart from others.
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Chaser: Are they in "Suggested packages" or directly under "The following packages will be installed"?
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: Weird.
[21:35] <Chaser> SonikkuAmerica, the latter
[21:36] <carrera> yup!  :(
[21:36] <xubuntu996> Just reinstalled xubuntu 12.10 and the Google Play Music website (in Google Chrome) just plays way too fast, Any suggestions?
[21:36] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: Ummm... try reinstalling xfce4-settings-manager?
[21:37] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu996: Too fast? What does it use to play?
[21:38] <xubuntu996> It plays 1.5 times faster than normal.
[21:38] <carrera> SonikkuAmerica, I'm on Version 4.8, distributed by Xubuntu
[21:39] <carrera> SonikkuAmerica, which I installed on ubuntu 12.04
[21:39] <carrera> SonikkuAmerica, but I have the same problem in Xubuntu 12.10 running on VirtualBox
[21:39] <xubuntu996> Thanks. Bedtime for me.
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu996: I didn't even finish! O_O
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: It works for me on Ubuntu Studio 12.10 running XFCE 4.10
[21:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Chaser: Did you try Google?
[21:42] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: You might ask in #xfce
[21:42] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: They might know a thing or 2
[21:42] <carrera> I tried App Menu->Settings-?Window Manager to no avail
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: You're double-clicking, right?
[21:43] <carrera> same thing as App Menu->Settings->Settings Manager->Window Manager
[21:44] <carrera> Duh!
[21:44] <carrera> SonikkuAmerica, THANKS!
[21:44] <Chaser> SonikkuAmerica, yup, vlc mplayer etc seem to be the alterative applications.
[21:45] <Chaser> SonikkuAmerica, vlc works ! cool.
[21:45] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: Sometimes even I overrun common sense.
[21:45] <carrera> SonikkuAmerica, :)
[21:45] <carrera> SonikkuAmerica, I think it's because u only have to click on the shortcut in Gnome
[21:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Chaser: Didn't know it did, but I (gasp) don't have a webcam on this lappie.
[21:46] <carrera> I want to change the workspace navigation shortcuts
[21:46] <carrera> it currently has <Control><Alt>Up
[21:46] <Chaser> SonikkuAmerica, yup apparently doing vlc v412:///dev/video0 brings up the webcam video stream.
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Awesome.
[21:47] <carrera> and I want to change it to just <Control>Up
[21:47] <carrera> but when hit <Control>Up, it shows as <Primary>Up
[21:47] <carrera> what's <Primary>?
[21:47] <carrera> does that for both <Control> keys
[21:48] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: That is correct (and intended)
[21:49] <carrera> okay, but why do they call it <Primary> and not <Control>?
[21:52] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: I think there's an article on that somewhere...
[21:52] <carrera> ok
[21:52] <carrera> I'll Google it
[21:53] <carrera> what was the green button u were talking about?
[21:53] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: That was to add a shortcut.
[21:53] <carrera> why don't I have that?
[21:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Settings > Settings Manager > Keyboard > Shortcuts....
[21:54] <carrera> thanks
[21:56] <antisober552> hi guys so ive managed to fix all my problems and have my wifi pci card installed aswell i just want to thanks everyone for helping me out over the last few days
[21:57] <antisober552> ive even got my dvd-rw to work again
[21:57] <xyzone> no prob
[21:59] <antisober552> im running xubuntu 13.04 and its alwsome
[22:06] <antisober552> one more thing i need help with i was told about this program but cant remember whats its called its so i can run php
[22:06] <antisober552> i think it was called php cli
[22:08] <genii-around> Probably php5-cli
[22:08] <antisober552> thats sound right
[22:09] <SonikkuAmerica> Grrr... My Logitech USB headphones now cause sound to become extinct!
[22:13] <David-A> antisober552: tips: if you had searched for   php cli   in Synaptic or Software Center you would probably have recognized the package name in the result list.
[22:14] <antisober552> i couldnt find it but i fould it now
[22:14] <David-A> ok fair
[22:16] <carrera> antisober552, have u tried any other flavors like lubuntu?
[22:16] <carrera> I really like Gnome Classic but don't like the Unity and zeitgeist
[22:17] <carrera> so I'm looking for something lighter like xfce and lxde
[22:17] <antisober552> im going to
[22:17] <antisober552> i would go for xubuntu 12.10
[22:18] <carrera> why not 13.04?
[22:18] <carrera> it's in Beta
[22:18] <antisober552> im using 13.04 and working great
[22:18] <carrera> there u go
[22:18] <antisober552> the 13.04 is
[22:18] <carrera> did u run 12.10 as well?
[22:18] <carrera> has 13.04 changed a lot from 12.10?
[22:19] <carrera> I'm running xubuntu 12.10 on VirtualBox
[22:19] <antisober552> but i did worked really well
[22:19] <carrera> thanks
[22:19] <antisober552> 13.04 is really nice
[22:20] <carrera> let us know what u think of lubuntu
[22:20] <carrera> did u try the ubuntu with Gnome classic?
[22:20] <antisober552> your welcome im gunna try lubuntu soon as i already have it on usb
[22:20] <antisober552> no
[22:21] <carrera> I find the Gnome windows much nicer
[22:21] <David-A> carrera: the Mate desktop looks very much like Gnome2, if you liked that. (I have only tried it briefly, don't know if it is good enough)
[22:21] <antisober552> i saw picture of it and thought it didnt look as clean as xubuntu
[22:21] <carrera> windows, menus and the general look and feel I should say
[22:21] <carrera> David-A, thank u sir!
[22:21] <carrera> I really like Gnome2
[22:22] <carrera> but I can live with other stuff too
[22:22] <carrera> I used to work on xvwm on Solaris for 5 years
[22:23] <carrera> 6 really, from '99 to '05
[22:24] <carrera> err, I think it was fvwm
[22:25] <antisober552> [ERROR] Please install "autoconf" anyone know how to fix that
[22:27] <genii-around> install autoconf ?
[22:28] <carrera> David-A, does Mint come with MATE?
[22:29] <David-A> carrera: yes, but have you looked if it is in (x)ubuntu's repository?
[22:29] <carrera> no
[22:29] <carrera> here is why
[22:30] <carrera> currently I'm running Ubuntu 12.04.02 on nice 18.4" Toshiba Qosmio X500
[22:30] <carrera> I have 2 SanDisk 480 Gb SSDs
[22:31] <carrera> naturally I've RAID 0
[22:43] <xyzone> what's the fail rate on ssds?
[22:52] <David-A> xyzone: that is not an xubuntu question, but i'v had an eeepc with SSDs for 4 years. havn't noticed any problem with them.
[22:55] <David-A> xyzone: as for rotating disks, there should be data sheets with meassures of expected lifetime and read error rates.
[22:56] <David-A> xyzone: is there anything special that concerns you?
[22:56] <xyzone> no David-A thanks
[22:59] <David-A> xyzone: web sites that sell stuff usually have comment fields where you can read customer's opinions about each product. (I'v read some SSDs have had problems)
[23:03] <carrera> I could have gone with Ubuntu Alternate but I went with the Server edition cause I wanted to install just Gnome Classic
[23:03] <carrera> sorry, I was on the phone with my sister
[23:04] <carrera> but after I installed the Gnome shell, I realized that I HAD to install Unity too!  :(
[23:05] <carrera> now, I have 2 problems
[23:06] <carrera> I like Ubuntu but I do NOT like Unity and zeitgeit
[23:06] <carrera> *zeitgeist
[23:07] <carrera> and I like to have RAID 0
[23:07] <carrera> cause I get great speed with my Core i7 and 1666 MHz bus
[23:08] <carrera> server + Gnome is not an option, cause I have to install Unity too
[23:08] <carrera> so I might as well install the Alternate ed
[23:08] <pleia2> can you folks take non-Xubuntu support talk to #xubuntu-offtopic, please? :)
[23:09] <carrera> this is xubuntu talk
[23:09] <carrera> wait
[23:09] <carrera> but I only saw the desktop editions in both xubuntu and lubuntu reps
[23:11] <carrera> I'm on XFCE 4.8 right now, and xchat suddenly closed on me
[23:12] <David-A> carrera: you installed X and it installs Y,Z by dependency. if you uninstalled X and want to uninstall Y,Z as well, then in Synaptic try select Status & auto removable, or  sudo apt-get autoremove
[23:12] <carrera> does anyone know what key kills a window?
[23:15] <carrera> David-A, actually installing Gnome didn't install Unity
[23:15] <carrera> I had to install it so I would get a graphical login screen
[23:17] <carrera> does xubuntu have an alternate edition?
[23:17] <carrera> so I can configure RAID 0
[23:51] <Guest19> Is it possible to remove all the installed software without breaking Xfce?
[23:51] <SonikkuAmerica> XFCE IS software.
[23:52] <Guest19> I mea some of the apps
[23:52] <SonikkuAmerica> You can remove the apps without breaking XFCE...
[23:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Some will knock off xubuntu-desktop but that's just a pointer package, no problem there
[23:53] <Guest19> good to know' just want to try a
[23:53] <Guest19> very stripped version
[23:53] <SonikkuAmerica> k
[23:54] <Guest19> had a problem once with a buntu distro and I removed the evolutution email and the DB and it broke Gnome
[23:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Evolution is part of GNOME... you don't uninstall it. XD
[23:55] <Guest19> found that out the hard way
[23:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Thunar is about the only XFCE component that doesn't start with XF
[23:55] <SonikkuAmerica> And Orage
[23:56] <Guest19> all i want on the lappy is some office stuff vlc and a VM
[23:57] <SonikkuAmerica> So don't remove Thunar, Orage or anything that starts with XF and you'll be fine.
[23:57] <Guest19> great thanks
[23:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Also don't remove ARandR
[23:58] <SonikkuAmerica> That manages your screen.
[23:58] <Guest19> Is there any docs that state what is part of Xfce?