[00:02] <phillw> kiwitinker: there is a blog on battery life that includes your model at http://topten.over-blog.com/article-33470575.html but I would suggest getting in touch with the laptop team via that link, or having a read of the dell forum area at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=342
[00:03] <semitones> 'ello
[00:03] <phillw> kiwitinker: possibly the dell area may be the best to start with :)
[00:04] <phillw> !ask | semitones
[00:04] <semitones> hey phillw, I'm just hanging out for now :)
[00:06] <kiwitinker> by the way this laptop is very old and does not support later versions of  lubuntu
[00:06] <phillw> semitones: that's no problem, but we do have also have an area to say "Hi" and discuss life in general... #lubuntu-offtopic :)
[00:06] <semitones> ah, sign me up then !
[00:06] <phillw> semitones: issue the command
[00:07] <kiwitinker> so is it not simply a case of trying a powermanagement program other than xfce?
[00:07] <phillw> semitones:  /j #lubuntu-offtopic
[00:08] <semitones> sorry, I'm already there :P, sign me up is just a silly affectation
[00:09] <phillw> kiwitinker: acpi may not be supported in the recent kernels. rolling back to your machine, try lubuntu 12.04, and if that fails... roll back to 10.04 - Once we have a system that works, it can possibly move forward.
[00:10] <phillw> acpi is a pain to debug, and the laptop team would be best to help, once there is a stable system on there :)
[00:10] <kiwitinker> I'm on 12.04 now
[00:13] <phillw> kiwitinker: then ask the laptop team if your make and model is supported. It could well be you need a BIOS upgrade from Dell. I am not the best qualified person to deal with the issue, Dell do have decent support with linux, so there could well be an easy solution for you to add to your laptop and everything will work..... So.... Go and ask :D
[00:13] <kiwitinker> problem is I have already invested days in getting to this stage of a linux system, I have no time left now, unfortunately auto screen turn off is a major priority as this laptop will be on 24 hrs a day and was bought for the purpose of using as little electricity as can
[00:14] <phillw> kiwitinker: if you cannot turn the screen off, it is an acpi issue. I cannot solve them, the dell support forum can.
[00:14] <kiwitinker> yeah don't hold much hope of that with such an old laptop, google brings up nothing
[00:15] <kiwitinker> it does turn off sometimes, it is just very unreliable
[00:15] <phillw> kiwitinker: you have little faith in hoe dogged those guys are :P
[00:15] <phillw> s/hoe/how
[00:15] <kiwitinker> if this laptop is not supported by 12.04 then it never will be I would think
[00:17] <kiwitinker> I still did not get an answer to my question, can I install a different power management program other than the default xfce?
[00:17] <phillw> kiwitinker: when your laptop was made, did google actually exisit? Only joking..... You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain by asking the guys (and gals) on the dell area of ubuntu forum.
[00:17] <kiwitinker> ok
[00:18] <kiwitinker> I was using google in the early 90's
[00:18] <phillw> kiwitinker: yeas you can, and no it will 99% not work, as the issue is not the power manager but instead acpi which is the part of the laptop that talks to it.
[00:19] <kiwitinker> still I would like to try
[00:19] <semitones> phillw, what is acpi, and why isn't it supported? I think my desktop at my parent's house uses it
[00:19] <phillw> kiwitinker: then install lubuntu 10.04 onto it.
[00:20] <kiwitinker> can't start from scratch again, so can I not just install different power management and remove/disable xfce?
[00:20] <phillw> semitones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface
[00:20] <phillw> kiwitinker: ^^ read the link ^^
[00:21] <semitones> phillw, reading. As an aside -- my desktop has to boot using the no1apic boot option -- does trying to get bios upgrades help that situation?
[00:22] <kiwitinker> 10.04 will cause the machine to freeze when closing the lid
[00:24] <kiwitinker> I wonder if that might work for me semitone as it does behave like a conflict to me, sometimes working and sometimes not
[00:24] <phillw> semitones: kiwitinker ^^ read the link... If your system is not fully compliant, then it will not work fully. for once, every one (nearly) agreed. There *may* be BIOS updates and there may be 'patches' that you can use for certain makes and models of computers. BUT, if they are not ACPI compliant it is NOT the fault of linux.
[00:24] <semitones> phillw, I'm trying to understand -- do the newer kernels implement their own powersaving schemes rather than relying on apci?
[00:25] <semitones> do newer computers just not use acpi anymore?
[00:25] <kiwitinker> semitones, that is what I was wondering
[00:25] <phillw> semitones: all the kernels accept the full acpi standards, just that not all manufacturers follow them.
[00:26] <semitones> kiwitinker, you might want to try booting up with apci disabled -- I have no idea what your problem is, but if apci is the problem, it could very well help without having to install anything else
[00:27] <phillw> just like not all browsers support full accessibility standards (there were two conflicting ones last time I looked into it, just for reading out a table). The most wonderful thing about a standard?.... anyone can make one. Remember the fight with DVD-HD and BluRay? ... no? that's because BluRay won.
[00:28] <kiwitinker> thanks semitones, exactly how would i do that?
[00:28] <semitones> phillw, if all the kernels accept the full acpi standards, what do the newer kernels do differently?
[00:28] <semitones> kiwitinker, hold on, let me look it up. basically when you boot up, you edit the boot options directly from GRUB
[00:30] <semitones> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Changing_the_CD.27s_Default_Boot_Options -- scroll down to the part about "common kernel options" -- the one you want to try is apci=off
[00:30] <semitones> when you're booting your system, interrupt GRUB before it boots, and follow the instructions there to add that boot option to the end of the boot command
[00:31] <semitones> if it works, you can configure GRUB to do it every time
[00:32] <kiwitinker> thanks, I remember seeing that option on the screen
[00:32] <phillw> semitones: there are different versions of acpi. Do you ever sit back and think... Jeeze, so many mobile (cell) phones and they all have different connectors to charge them? Inside, the battery is the same voltage. a standard Lithium battery, different capacities of charge it can hold. But to many different connectors.....
[00:33] <phillw> semitones: have a read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_External_Power_Supply and then wonder :D
[00:33] <semitones> there are a lot of different ways
[00:33] <semitones> whoa
[00:36] <phillw> semitones: but these are discussions to have on the off-topic area, I've taken acpi as far as I can on here.
[00:37] <semitones> alright
[00:59] <n-iCe> hello guys
[00:59] <n-iCe> Im on a lubuntu live cd, first time trying it
[00:59] <n-iCe> looks amazing
[01:01] <n-iCe> hi chalcedony
[01:01] <chalcedony> :)
[01:01] <n-iCe> how are you_
[01:01] <chalcedony> n-iCe, great!
[01:02] <n-iCe> I really like the desktop environment!
[01:02] <chalcedony> neat i'm glad
[01:02] <n-iCe> Im used to gnome, was wondering to run something faster, my laptop is fast enough to run gnome and a heavy desktop, but I was wondering why to run a big one when I can run a light desktop?
[01:02] <n-iCe> chalcedony: you use lubuntu as well?
[01:03] <chalcedony> n-iCe, can't remember why i joined here
[01:03] <n-iCe> lol
[01:03] <n-iCe> what os are you using?
[01:03] <chalcedony> debian / gnome
[01:04] <n-iCe> yeah, I'm used to Debian, for over 4 years
[01:04] <chalcedony> great!
[01:04] <n-iCe> But you know it is pretty old, they don't like to upgrade it a lot
[01:04] <chalcedony> i don't really like things that move
[01:04] <n-iCe> drivers seems to be running in ubuntu
[01:04] <n-iCe> yeah, they keep it pretty stable
[01:04] <chalcedony> no forced upgrades
[01:05] <n-iCe> that's true, Debian gnome, was using like 600MB at least of RAM memory
[01:05] <n-iCe> lubuntu is using 200MB
[01:05] <n-iCe> o.O
[01:06] <n-iCe> chalcedony: do you use chrome?
[01:07] <n-iCe> or firefox
[01:07] <chalcedony> wow that's a lot less
[01:07] <chalcedony> n-iCe, firefox
[01:07] <n-iCe> I see, I'm wondering the difference between chromium and google chrome
[01:07] <chalcedony> chromium is a chrome-like
[01:08] <n-iCe> can't find any difference
[01:09] <phillw> n-iCe: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome
[01:10] <n-iCe> awesome, thanks
[01:10] <n-iCe> So google chrome browser seems to be the best choice
[01:11] <n-iCe> phillw: how can I know the packages that fits with the lxde desktop
[01:11] <n-iCe> to avoid installing gnome/kde packages
[01:14] <semitones> alright! first impressions!
[01:14] <semitones> I love the new desktop wallpaper!
[01:14] <phillw> n-iCe: if you want metrics etc, which F/OSS dis-agree with etc. There is little difference. I use the bleeding edge chromium, as I'm a tester. As to "how to tell how much extra things a new applicaton will bring in" when you go to install it, it should tell you how much extra it wants.
[01:15] <semitones> phillw: sometimes I wonder how much those extra things matter
[01:15] <semitones> like if an application is going to install a bunch of libraries, do those make the computer slower
[01:15] <phillw> n-iCe: both sudo apt-get install and synaptic will tell you.
[01:16] <semitones> what do you look for in the list of thngs apt tells you it wants to install?
[01:16] <n-iCe> phillw: says like, brasero-lxde?
[01:16] <n-iCe> ok lubuntu was installed, need to reboot, brb
[01:16] <phillw> semitones: yes, if you install unity, you will bring in all the unity libraries, which will make one heck of a difference. If in doubt? ask on the mailing list :)
[01:17] <phillw> n-iCe: brassero is already installed?
[01:17] <n-iCe> no
[01:17] <n-iCe> xfburn I think
[01:19] <phillw> n-iCe: you are correct, sorry, my 12.10 has had that much tested on it, I do lose a bit a track, brassero does not pull in a load of extra stuff.
[01:20] <phillw> it just slightly heavier than xfburn, owing to the fact it can do 'more things'. It is fully compliant with lubuntu libraries and brings in just enough to make it function. (I use it as default, which is why I had to check).
[01:22] <n-iCe> which one you have as default? brasero?
[01:23] <phillw> n-iCe: i have a choice of either, i installed brasero because I needed a GUI to do some stuff that x-burn cannot.
[01:24] <phillw> you do not lose one, when you install the other :)
[01:24] <n-iCe> seems pretty similar to me
[01:26] <phillw> I have bluefish installed, not many people need it, but it did not ask to bring in a load of libraries that I did not already have installed for my LAMP installation. n-iCe remember, lubuntu can run anything ubuntu / kubuntu / xubuntu / edubuntu / myhtubuntu etc etc. can. It is just how much extra do you wish to add to your lubuntu system.... The more you add, the more the system takes up. :)
[01:27] <semitones> phillw: it would be really cool if there was a short list of common "do not let these things become installed" packages for keeping a fast system
[01:27] <semitones> You started it off: #1, Unity
[01:27] <semitones> Hey, hey
[01:27] <semitones> can we make a page on the wiki right now???
[01:27] <semitones> we can do this
[01:27] <n-iCe> #2 compiz
[01:27] <semitones> good one
[01:28] <semitones> #3, GTK?
[01:28] <Myrtti> because we all love ncurses
[01:28] <n-iCe> need to reboot, installation finished, hold on
[01:28] <semitones> hy Myritti :)
[01:28] <semitones> -i
[01:28] <phillw> semitones: you install unity, you have installed ubuntu... There is nothing wrong with having both. On my CentoOS system I have GNOME and KDE stuff. Linux is not about reducing choice, it is about expanding it.
[01:29] <Myrtti> I thought all lubuntu apps use gtk.
[01:29] <semitones> phillw: linux is not about reducing choice, but people can choose to restrict their software to the capabilities of their hardware. That's the point of lubuntu
[01:30] <semitones> Myrtti: i am bad at computers, sorry :p
[01:30] <semitones> I think it would be useful to have a list of common things to avoid installing if you want to keep your computer fast
[01:31] <phillw> semitones: then, when you go to install something and it says it wants to add 20+ things, say NO :) Then you can go and ask. That is what I do, and it works fine for me.
[01:31] <semitones> like I would try not to install kde apps, because starting the app would have to load all that kde stuff
[01:31] <phillw> semitones: I use kde apps, it is the libraries you need to watch out for :)
[01:31] <semitones> phillw: What I'm proposing is you take that list of 20 things, you look at the list of things to avoid, and then if you still have questions, then you ask
[01:32] <phillw> semitones: do you have any idea as to how many linux programmes there are?
[01:32] <phillw> n-iCe wb :)
[01:32] <n-iCe_> lubuntu is installed :)
[01:33] <semitones> how about a top 10 common packages to not install on lubuntu
[01:33] <n-iCe_> downloading 130MB of updates though
[01:33] <n-iCe_> why is it, if I'm downloading the last CD
[01:33] <phillw> n-iCe_: what version of lubuntu?
[01:33] <n-iCe_> 12.10
[01:34] <semitones> first impressions continued: I love the new icons!
[01:34] <phillw> there are SRU's going back as 13.04 comes to a close for a release.
[01:34] <phillw> n-iCe: this close, you should have been brave and grabbed 13.04 :P
[01:35] <n-iCe> Well I can wait for the stable release
[01:35] <semitones> But why are the Wifi networks listed in alphabetical order -- shouldn't they be listed in signal strength order?
[01:35] <n-iCe> phillw: If I install 13.04 will it automatically turn to stable?
[01:36] <phillw> semitones: nope, as signal strength could keep altering. all that is is a snap shot of what network manager found when it closed / slowed down your connection to find stuff :)
[01:37] <semitones> oh ok, that's fair
[01:38] <phillw> n-iCe: 13.04 testing will update to stable, also 12.10 will let you know when 13.04 is out. The newest artwork is on 13,04, though :D
[01:38] <n-iCe> where can I see that new artwork?
[01:39] <phillw> n-iCe: if you have 12.10 installed you can get it to then update to the 13.04 testing series.
[01:39] <n-iCe> does it worth it?
[01:40] <phillw> n-iCe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Raring/Box
[01:40] <n-iCe> lol
[01:40] <n-iCe> what changed?
[01:41] <phillw> n-iCe: you will also have the stuff the devs have been working on, so, yes as a desktop release it's worth it.
[01:42] <phillw> n-iCe: the complete switch to box, and a new set of wall papers as voted upon by the lubuntu community.
[01:44] <phillw> anyways good people, I'm heading for bed. enjoy lubuntu :)
[01:45] <n-iCe> thanks, good to know we have support here, nite.
[02:04] <semitones> Can you guys think of some other packages to avoid to keep lubuntu fast?
[02:04] <semitones> so far I have unity and compiz
[02:20] <n-iCe> question, how do I add icons to the panel?
[02:24] <semitones> n-iCe: good question -- that's kind of hard to do in lubuntu, somebody had to help me do it once and I forget how
[02:25] <n-iCe> found it
[02:25] <n-iCe> really easy
[02:26] <n-iCe> semitones: just click on any icon you have on the panel, and go to aps settings
[02:26] <n-iCe> and add from there
[02:30] <semitones> oh cool
[02:31] <semitones> so at first you have internet and file manager
[02:31] <semitones> and you just add whatever else you want
[02:32] <n-iCe> yup
[02:38] <semitones> phillw: this is the work in progress: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AvoidFatDependencies
[03:03] <Ludlow> Hola.
[03:04] <Ludlow> !nas
[03:04] <Ludlow> !how to mount a share drive
[03:04] <Ludlow> !mount
[03:05] <Ludlow> Hello. Does anyone know how to mount or see a NAS ?
[03:24] <k_sze[work]> Why does lubuntu have dedicated x86 and x64 images for Mac, whereas Xubuntu and Ubuntu don't seem to have such dedicated images?
[03:25] <holstein> k_sze[work]: i learned that the other day, and forgot... lemme see if i can find that... it wasnt all that special
[03:25] <holstein> k_sze[work]: iirc, this was related to the secure boot thing
[03:26] <k_sze[work]> like, working with Apple's outdated EFI implementation?
[03:28] <holstein> i was hearing the opposite.. but i cant find that page
[03:28] <holstein> k_sze[work]: whats the issue?
[03:28] <k_sze[work]> nothing. I'm just curious as to why.
[03:29] <k_sze[work]> I don't plan to install it via Bootcamp though. I think I'll just use VirtualBox.
[03:29] <holstein> Unit193: was it you talking about that?
[03:29] <Unit193> holstein: Pretty sure not me, I just know of PPC mac.
[03:31] <Unit193> (I have no idea.)
[06:52] <kewel> hello .. piii1ghz512mb lubuntu12.04 -- uninstalled chromium, and installed chrome .. does anyone know what's up with getting flash player to work?  much thx
[07:54] <javier_> Hi
[07:55] <javier_> I have got problems to automount my usb with Lubuntu 12.10, all functions in PCMan are activated, any known issues? Thank you
[08:36] <bytecounter> Hi @all
[08:38] <bytecounter> I need  any tip for booting from USB. I create an USB-Stick and add Grub 2. Now the system starts grub, but after select any entry, after a short time the system reboots. Also I tryed with any options, then the system say "Booting a command list" and after about 30 seconds (or 1 minute) the system goes to reboot - no messages
[08:40] <bytecounter> nobody here?
[11:58] <linuxdumb> I broke my flashdrive live install of lubuntu, with persistent enabled I had saved some very important documents, but I can't boot to this install any longer, so have installed lubuntu to harddrive and mounted my old flashdrive live lubuntu hoping to access these documents, but so far had no luck finding them?
[12:00] <linuxdumb> how do I access them
[14:19] <Ludlow> Hola. anyone alive?
[14:21] <cerebrate> :T
[14:21] <cerebrate> i guess not
[14:21] <cerebrate> i mean i guess so >:c
[14:21]  * cerebrate slaps his brain
[17:42] <jacklk> At the Ubuntu login screen, shutdown, restart, etc do not work. I think this may be because it needs root privalleges to do this... Can someone help?
[17:48] <wxl> jacklk: you are NOT going to get help spamming every canonical channel about this.
[18:22] <n-iCe> hi
[18:45] <n-iCe> hello guys
[18:45] <n-iCe> how do I change the lxterminal shorcuts?
[19:22] <echoSMILE> Hi. I'm trying to boot lubuntu with a livecd in a powerpc and when the gui appear with loading animation I got " unable to find a medium containing a live file system " how can I bypass this?
[19:24] <wxl> wow that old bug? i thought that was long gone. which livecd, echoSMILE ?
[19:24] <echoSMILE> 12.10
[19:25] <wxl> that's odd. i must have booted that 10s of times in testing. you should check the md5s if you haven't already. and if that's good, you could reburn at the slowest possible speed.
[19:27] <echoSMILE> let me ask, how can change the speed of burn can change anything?
[19:27] <wxl> echoSMILE: it's less error prone
[19:27] <wxl> 1 bit makes a difference
[19:27] <wxl> and can mean the difference between success and failure
[19:28] <echoSMILE> is that the 'only' solution for this, like you said, old issue?
[19:29] <wxl> that's the most likely problem
[19:29] <echoSMILE> ok, i will reburn and test it.
[19:30] <echoSMILE> tks a lot.
[19:44] <echoSMILE> wxl: btw, is the desktop version I'm using, not the alternative.
[19:46] <echoSMILE> btw, any other recomended live cd for powerpc?
[19:47] <wxl> echoSMILE: if you have no graphics problems, it should work fine.
[19:47] <echoSMILE> wxl: the loading animation appears, so I can say gui is working fine?
[19:48] <wxl> echoSMILE: probably but it'll be really telling when you see the desktop.
[19:48] <echoSMILE> I'm burning at 4x and the md5sum is fine.
[19:48] <echoSMILE> let see after this :P
[19:49] <wxl> :)
[19:49] <wxl> you can do an md5sum on the cd, too, after burning, if you want to get really obsessive
[19:49] <echoSMILE> how I do that at windows?
[19:49] <echoSMILE> :x
[19:49] <echoSMILE> I dont have cdrom in my laptop to test in linu
[19:57] <echoSMILE> wxl: imagine the cd is fine, what can be, a hardware issue?
[20:10] <echoSMILE> any difference between the boots 'live' live-powerpc' and 'live-powerpc64' ?
[20:12] <echoSMILE> wxl: same error. :/
[20:14] <phillw> echoSMILE: you can install http://www.winmd5.com/ on windows to md5checksum
[20:14] <echoSMILE> phillw: yeah, but that checks the CD?
[20:15] <echoSMILE> not the .iso file.
[20:15] <phillw> echoSMILE: can you see the cd mounted?
[20:15] <echoSMILE> mounted how/where ?
[20:16] <echoSMILE> should I test the ram with memtest or something?
[20:16] <phillw> soz echoSMILE It's been too long since I used win. let me have a look for you.
[20:17] <echoSMILE> phillw: about the integrity the burn software check after and was ok.
[20:20] <phillw> echoSMILE: have a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM_on_Windows from my understanding of the http://www.nullriver.com/downloads/Install-winMd5Sum.exe version, you should may be set the directory to your cd/dvd drive. But that's just a stab in the dark.
[20:21] <phillw> in the URL window, and then 'send to' winMd5Sum
[20:25] <echoSMILE> phillw: I will try it later, but I double is about the cd.
[20:25] <phillw> echoSMILE: are you installing from cd onto the ppc computer?
[20:25] <echoSMILE> phillw: trying to run the live cd only
[20:26] <echoSMILE> and yes, in a ppc computer
[20:27] <phillw> when it boots, it should give you the option to 'self test' the CD. But, you need to chat to the PPC guys for the options that are presented. I don't have access to a PPC machine and the VM system doesn't show the problems that you guys have.
[20:28] <echoSMILE> I have the boot entries: 'live' live-powerpc' and 'live-powerpc64'
[20:29] <echoSMILE> and more.
[20:29] <echoSMILE> but I'm using ppc so I just say that.
[20:30] <phillw> do you not see the option to test integrity of the cd/dvd ?
[20:31] <echoSMILE> Right now I cant answer that, but I will check it later.
[20:32] <echoSMILE> but by default what you are saying is that option exist right?
[20:33] <echoSMILE> anyway, when I boot, I get a shell where I can't press enter and boot with the default 'live' option or press TAB and see the others options to boot
[20:33] <echoSMILE> s/can't/can
[20:37] <phillw> echoSMILE: you need to chat to the PPC guys, not too many are on #lubuntu all the time. A good way is using the lubuntu-testing mailing list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Getting_Involved
[20:38] <echoSMILE> ok.
[20:38] <echoSMILE> tks all.
[20:39] <phillw> echoSMILE: if wxl is on later when you get back, he is one of the PPC guys and can help within PPC
[20:40] <echoSMILE> cool :)
[20:43] <phillw> echoSMILE: but, I do recommend you join the testing team. I'll approve your application real quick. on the testing mailing list we put [PPC] at the start of the subject so they PPC and none-PPC guys don't have to read the ones they cannot assist with (the mailing list is fairly low volume, but at this stage of testing it does get a bit busier :) )
[20:44] <echoSMILE> ok. tks. I will join, any help from my part, count with me for testing.
[21:26] <wxl> echoSMILE: sorry busy at work. what's up?
[21:48] <SineTheCreator`> hi all
[21:48] <SineTheCreator`> is there any way to reduce cpu usage in lubuntu?
[21:49] <zleap> not sure,  what is running that doesn't need to be running
[21:49] <SineTheCreator`> i have noticed that my system is a bit sluggish. after checking htop i've seen that it uses hardly any RAM (~200 megs, i have 1GB) but that the CPU is often highly utilized even at idle
[21:49] <SineTheCreator`> eh. lubuntu itself, docky, and hexchat
[21:49] <SineTheCreator`> thats about it
[21:49] <zleap> hmm
[21:49] <SineTheCreator`> oh and xcompmgr for docky
[21:50] <zleap> hmm not sure
[21:50] <SineTheCreator`> i dont use a lot of the effects though. basic shadows and opacity. thats it.
[21:50] <zleap> try free -h
[21:50] <zleap> that tells you how much memory you're using  and how much is free,
[21:50] <zleap> i know top does but top also gives you a big list
[21:51] <SineTheCreator`> Mem:          874M       606M       268M         0B        83M       303M
[21:51] <SineTheCreator`> it's showing 0B used in swapspace
[21:51] <SineTheCreator`> it's showing 606M used, 268M free
[21:51] <SineTheCreator`> i guess 303M cache is what's using the majority of the RAM
[21:52] <phillw> cache is fine, you need to see what is eating CPU time
[21:52] <SineTheCreator`> also i'm not sure why it only shows 874M available? my laptop has an ati x200m, dedicated RAM. no shared memory architecture.
[21:52] <zleap> phillw, whats the difference betweet top and htop
[21:53] <SineTheCreator`> phillw: right now, cpu is mostly used by X and htop according to htop
[21:53] <phillw> zleap: it gives a more GUI version of what is going on and is a bit more customisable in what you want to prioritise for sorting.
[21:54] <SineTheCreator`> htop is using 3-8%, X is using 1-3%, all else is 0 or less than 1
[21:54] <SineTheCreator`> if this is the case... why is the system so sluggish?
[21:55] <SineTheCreator`> it can often take a full ten seconds to load chromium or hexchat, and then after loading the app in question is incredibly slow and choppy
[21:55] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: what video card do you have?
[21:55] <SineTheCreator`> i switched to using qupzilla instead of chromium, it's a bit faster but not by much. scrolling and resizing is still painfully slow
[21:55] <SineTheCreator`> phillw: ati x200m
[21:56] <SineTheCreator`> it's using the default driver that comes with lubuntu
[21:56] <SineTheCreator`> but i'd assume it works normally, since compositing and shadows and such work okay
[21:57] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: have a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[21:58] <SineTheCreator`> phillw: i did. my card doesn't even seem to be listed there
[21:59] <SineTheCreator`> you'll notice that article applies 99% only to desktop cards
[21:59] <SineTheCreator`> very few mobile cards are listed
[22:00] <SineTheCreator`> i'll try the fglrx driver but i dont think it supports my card
[22:00] <SineTheCreator`> even the windows official ati driver doesnt support it
[22:00] <SineTheCreator`> they left that up to laptop manufacturers
[22:03] <zleap> phillw, looks a lot better than top, thanks
[22:03] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1811161
[22:03] <SineTheCreator`> hmm
[22:03] <SineTheCreator`> i dont even have an xorg.conf to backup
[22:03] <phillw> zleap: I use htop on all but servers.
[22:03] <SineTheCreator`> that article must be quite outdated
[22:04] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: as is the card. You can force the system to make an xorg.conf, but it will take me a few minutes to find the link unless someone here has the link handy.
[22:05] <SineTheCreator`> so... i DONT need the fglrx driver?
[22:05] <SineTheCreator`> or just not the official one/
[22:05] <SineTheCreator`> ?
[22:06] <SineTheCreator`> what is this xorg edgers crack?
[22:06] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2061399 will create an xorg file for you.
[22:07] <SineTheCreator`> phillw: cant do that. fatal error because X is already running
[22:08] <SineTheCreator`> oh. i have to reboot into recovery shell
[22:08] <SineTheCreator`> also why would i want to move to unstable xorg packages from this repo?
[22:09] <Freddie_Freewing> Hello everybody, I have a quick question that I hope someone can help me with. I recently snatched an old iMac G3 out of the trash. It runs, alas I don't have the os install disk to reset the passwords so I am locked out of it. I was trying to use the lubuntu live cd. It booted to the text screen where you have to choose the kernel to boot from. I tried several, unfortunately it seems to kernel panic saying that it ran out of
[22:09] <Freddie_Freewing> memory and there are no killable processes. Any ideas?
[22:10] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: the best team to ask on GPU's is http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 (read the FAQ), that area deals with multimedia :)
[22:15] <phillw> Freddie_Freewing: I'd suggest asking the PPC people, they can be found generally on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=328 (the Mac PPC sticky is a good resource).
[22:16] <Freddie_Freewing> 9.5530611 Kernel panic -not syncing: out of memory and no killable processes ... I guess I maxed out the ramdisk? Thanks Phillw I shall do that. :)
[23:27] <n-iCe> hello, how can I test my microphone?
[23:29] <wxl> n-iCe: try arecord
[23:31] <n-iCe> lets see
[23:31] <n-iCe> wow
[23:31] <n-iCe> a lot of things are happening on console
[23:31] <n-iCe> no idea what does that mean, lol
[23:32] <wxl> well you have to read the manual to understand what it does
[23:32] <wxl> there's nice examples in there
[23:33] <n-iCe> But when I do noise, new characteres appear
[23:33] <n-iCe> I think it is working
[23:33] <wxl> there is that
[23:34] <n-iCe> thanks
[23:34] <wxl> np
[23:34] <wxl> sorry for being less helpful than normal n-iCe
[23:34] <wxl> busy at work
[23:35] <n-iCe> less? you were really great
[23:35] <wxl> well normally i'd probably have given you all the command line swwitches you needed :)
[23:36] <n-iCe> cuz you rock
[23:36] <n-iCe> arecord word was enough.
[23:36] <wxl> kewl then
[23:36] <n-iCe> I installed lubuntu in my gf computer yesterday
[23:37] <wxl> nice
[23:37] <n-iCe> Now I'm doing it on mine :p
[23:37] <wxl> excellent!
[23:39] <n-iCe> almost done