[02:29] <darkxst> jbicha, backported fixes for bugs 1064022, 1077546
[02:29] <darkxst> can you upload them before freeze, if no one else gets to them!
[02:31] <jbicha> darkxst: yes I'll do it tomorrow before freeze
[02:39] <darkxst> thanks
[02:45] <darkxst> meh, screenshield is still failing sometimes, with what looks like https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689106
[02:45] <darkxst> but that was meant to be fixed
[09:14] <slinnky> Hey, are the 13.04 betas signed for UEFI Secure Boot? Are all the flavor betas signed (K-,X-,L-,ubuntu,-Gnome)?
[09:31] <darkxst> slinnky, I don't know about all the flavours, but ours are
[09:32] <slinnky> Ah okay
[09:32] <slinnky> Good to know darkxst, thanks
[12:19] <nazgul_> how do I upgrade from (regular) Ubuntu 12.10 to Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 (beta) ? "upgrade-manager -c -d" and later on install the ubuntu-gnome-desktop package?
[12:27] <tommie-lie> nazgul_: yep, should work
[12:28] <nazgul_> tommie-lie: thanks
[14:03] <petrus_> hi
[14:06] <petrus_> i have a poor performance on ubuntu gnome 13.04
[14:07] <petrus_> my laptop uses optimus graphics
[14:08] <petrus_> installed nvidia bumbleebee but did't reconized nvidia
[14:20] <atrus> petrus_5: are you getting bad performance from gnome-shell, or from some application/game?
[14:23] <petrus_5> from gnome-shell
[14:24] <petrus_5> its the graphics performance that is poor
[14:25] <petrus_5> maybe it has something to do with the support for intel hd4000 and nvidia gt540
[14:27] <petrus_5> iam in the kitchen right now, so ill be answering later
[15:12] <darkxst> petrus_5, poor performance of gnome-shell or something else?
[15:15] <darkxst> if you want gnome-shell to run on nvidia card you probably need to edit the session file to add an optirun in there
[15:15] <darkxst> or you can try the new 319 drivers with optimus support, but they don't exactly appear to work out of the box currently
[15:48] <darkxst> jbicha, oh btw, was chatting with seb and Gunnar last night, we may have some work cutout to make sure that 3.8 lands in S
[15:51] <jbicha> darkxst: I think the stuff in the GNOME3 PPA is safe enough to land in S next month
[15:52] <jbicha> there's a few bugs with like Software Center & Nautilus and GTK 3.8 in general but there's plenty of time for those to be fixed
[15:52] <jbicha> gnome-control-center and settings-daemon on the other hand is far from ready
[15:54] <tommie-lie> wouldn't it be possible to have a seperate repository with the 3.9 stuff that updates together with the gnome development and have that go into S like it was done before unity?
[15:54] <jbicha> tommie-lie: basically no
[15:55] <tommie-lie> aw :-(
[15:55] <jbicha> GNOME changes so much so fast it's difficult for the Ubuntu developers to keep up
[15:56] <darkxst> and its also difficult to get mis-mashing packages from different versions!
[15:56] <tommie-lie> but often there are packages available right after the Gnome release
[15:56] <jbicha> it might be fixed if Unity makes it own apps for everything but I seriously doubt that the Ubuntu devs have sufficient manpower to do that in the next year
[15:57] <tommie-lie> who does the real maintaining for the gnome related packages in Ubuntu? you/other ubuntu-gnome people?
[15:58] <jbicha> yes but responsibility for half of the packages is shared with the Ubuntu Desktop team
[15:58] <tommie-lie> ah, ok, so that's the problem...
[15:59] <darkxst> tommie-lie, no the problem is that ubuntu heavily patch core parts of gnome
[15:59] <jbicha> for instance, external panels in gnome-control-center are a core part of Ubuntu's design but GNOME broke them in the 3.8 cycle
[16:00] <tommie-lie> darkxst: yes, that's what I meant, Ubuntu Desktop sees things differently than Gnome and that's part of the problem
[16:00] <jbicha> Canonical's desktop team is undermanned because much of the team is working on the Ubuntu phone platform too
[16:00] <darkxst> well yes, but the real problem comes from sharing the same stack
[16:01] <jbicha> and now that Ubuntu is a mature product, Ubuntu doesn't want the risk of regressions (and additional work) just to have a few more features
[16:02] <tommie-lie> darkxst: yep, having "Unity applications" instead of using half of the Gnome stuff and modifying them to their needs would help, I think
[16:02] <tommie-lie> but sure resources are limited
[16:34] <camelinahat> jbicha, So does that mean that eventually, Unity Next will actually make it easier for keeping up with Gnome releases?
[16:35] <jbicha> possibly, it depends on whether Unity for traditional computers will use the same apps as the phone or not
[16:38] <darkxst> I don't see how it will help
[16:39] <darkxst> not in the near future atleast
[16:39] <petrus_5> i have ubuntu 13.04 gnome 3.8.019 installed, ive got slow performance on gnome-shell
[16:43] <camelinahat> I thought that was the point, that Unity on the desktop goes QT as well as that on the phones etc. But no that would be at least a year away
[16:44] <darkxst> petrus_5, gnome-shell should run fine on intel 4000
[16:45] <darkxst> but I have to go now
[16:47] <petrus_5> no, slow perfomance when switching applications
[17:02] <jbicha> camelinahat: well that's one way they could do, the other is that if you use Ubuntu on a desktop you get access to more powerful (gnome) apps
[17:11] <spazmando> hello
[18:59] <camelinahat> :( Since updating this morning I notice pulseaudio using up every spare bit of cpu usage after startup.