[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[13:15] <lool> dholbach: moved invite 5 mn earlier to have people joing the HO etc.
[13:16] <lool> also added this channel to the invite
[13:21] <lool> etherpad for the HO http://pad.ubuntu.com/zx7ysKeP78
[13:23] <Vikram> hi there
[13:23] <dholbach> I just updated http://ubuntuonair.com/
[13:23] <dholbach> so the video should say "Power management architecture"
[13:23] <dholbach> if it doesn't please reload
[13:24] <dholbach> we'll start in 7m
[13:24] <MasterLotus> Hey gaize
[13:24] <dica> sto se ne vidi ovo polje gdje se pise :/
[13:25] <Fiszu> o kurde
[13:26] <Fiszu> witajcie !
[13:26] <Gold_> suuuuuuuup
[13:27] <edison_> hi
[13:27] <adi___> halo
[13:28] <adi___> i'm in indonsia
[13:28] <sidewalk> QUESTION: what goals do you have for the Power Management architecture in Ubuntu?
[13:29] <lool> http://pad.ubuntu.com/zx7ysKeP78
[13:29] <lool> sidewalk: saving power!
[13:29] <lool> ;-)
[13:30] <sidewalk> lool: i hope thats not it
[13:30] <mamthelegend> sercan nickin ne yaw
[13:30] <achiang> what is the link to the etherpad?
[13:31] <MasterLotus> nigger
[13:31] <azubu> hi
[13:32] <adi___> this progam
[13:32] <nami> Lalala
[13:32] <adi___> bisa bahasa indonesia
[13:33] <nami> hi adi are u from indonesia?
[13:34] <Milky_> where is discussion going on?
[13:34] <Uber_Nazi> Hello
[13:34] <Windows7x64> When i can download Windows 7?
[13:34] <dholbach> Milky_, http://ubuntuonair.com/
[13:34] <glam> good evening
[13:34] <adi___> mau upgrade dari ubuntu 10.04 ke ubuntu 10.10 knp ga suport
[13:35] <sammy87> good evening
[13:35] <primax> what about power management on pc?
[13:35] <dholbach> please if you ask questions, make sure you prefix them with QUESTION:
[13:35] <dholbach> so it's easier for us to pick up
[13:35] <Fr34kadelle> okay
[13:35] <comiPFC> I have a question. Will Ubuntu be avalible on old android phones like Motorola Defy for example or just newer ones?
[13:36] <qetalle007> hey
[13:36] <adi___> hay
[13:36] <dholbach> comiPFC, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch lists all the devices where Ubuntu Touch was ported to
[13:37] <comiPFC> Thnaks!
[13:37] <JsKandhari> Is the event on ?
[13:37] <goji> ???
[13:37] <dholbach> yes
[13:37] <pamchi> how can i get involve ubuntu development????
[13:37] <dholbach> it's up on http://ubuntuonair.com/
[13:37] <dholbach> JsKandhari, ^
[13:37] <JsKandhari> it is 5 mins over and i can still see the noise screen
[13:37] <einalex> dholbach: perhaps it's more visible if you put it in the topic
[13:37] <dholbach> pamchi, http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/ basically
[13:37] <Fr34kadelle> @JsKandhari Try to Refresh?
[13:37] <pamchi> dholbach i mean, work for canonical,
[13:38] <pamchi> ?
[13:38] <dholbach> pamchi, http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers
[13:38] <Guest11549> getting balck screen in between..\
[13:38] <JsKandhari> Thanks !
[13:38] <Fr34kadelle> :D
[13:38] <dholbach> comiPFC, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices I meant - sorry
[13:39] <HackoGram> I've questions
[13:39] <dholbach> HackoGram, feel free to ask them in here, just make sure you prefix them with QUESTION:
[13:40] <glam> QUESTION: why linuxmint rating's in distrowatch ahead ubuntu's rating ?
[13:41] <comiPFC> @dholbach i found it there.. so only Nexuses so far...
[13:41] <dholbach> comiPFC, there's like 30-40 devices listed there, no?
[13:41] <dholbach> glam, that's not really related to power management architecture :)
[13:41] <glam> QUESTION: why linuxmint rating's in distrowatch ahead ubuntu's rating ?
[13:41] <comiPFC> talking about phablet-flash
[13:42] <glam> dholbanch, i think it's because Unity DE
[13:42] <dholbach> glam, still unrelated - it'd be a distraction from the topic
[13:42] <qwinie> Question : i'm from belgium, working with Ubuntu now for a few years. I would love to sell or just let the people know about Ubuntu. Where should i go to?
[13:42] <Milky_> there is some problem with your cam seth please recover
[13:42] <dholbach> comiPFC, ah yes, that's being discussed on the mailing list - all the bits have to be redistributable to be supported by phablet-flash
[13:43] <dholbach> comiPFC, if we can make sure that everything is redistributable, they could be supported by phablet-flash too
[13:43] <niki> wow
[13:43] <dholbach> comiPFC, it might help to ask in #ubuntu-touch
[13:44] <comiPFC> Thanks
[13:44] <ubuntualex89> Thomas you have some issues with your connectivity
[13:44] <tvoss> ubuntualex89, thx, am I breaking up?
[13:45] <dholbach> tvoss, you were briefly, yes
[13:45] <Mattia93it> When Ubuntu13.04 relase-day?
[13:45] <tvoss> dholbach, hopefully better now, let me know if it gets worse
[13:45] <Libras2909>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Libras2909 kflqnfkwnhcq
[13:45] <hareesh> my pc gets heatd up usin ubuntu 64 bit
[13:45] <ubuntualex89> Yep.... prrety much . It seems there are issues in Germany :)  .'cause also Martin has some lag
[13:46] <dholbach> ubuntualex89, I'm in Germany too ;-)
[13:49] <qetalle007> i´m from germany too :D
[13:49] <comiPFC> QUESTIO: Maybe this isn't the time or the place for this question, but since i installed Ubuntu on my computer (from XP) it's running slower than Windows, and since it uses less ram and processor strenght it shouldn't..
[13:51] <hareesh> lags a lot over India too..
[13:52] <ubuntualex89> Yeah...not a good day for science it seems :))
[13:54] <sergiusens> did the hangout just die or is it just me?
[13:54] <sergiusens> page refresh did the trick
[13:55] <mfisch> A great example of API abuse that I used at my last job: http://mjtsai.com/blog/2010/08/03/ios-background-app-kludge/
[13:55] <CODENAME4365> hey guys
[13:58] <sergiusens> yeah, like whatsapp
[13:58] <sergiusens> tvoss: yes we do :-)
[14:00] <HcNguyen111_> @mfisch, interesting...
[14:01] <benkaiser> are you talking about the power consumption being a stat on the app or attached to user reviews?
[14:02] <Arthur___> hello
[14:02] <tvoss> sergiusens, ? :) sorry, difficutl to associate :)
[14:02] <einalex> tvoss: sure the system should save your power, but in the end the user is still interested in which application uses how much energy. She can judge how important a certain application/functionality is then because she knws the costs (in battery life).
[14:03] <tvoss> einalex, sure, having that information available is useful
[14:04] <sergiusens> tvoss: users care about network usage
[14:04] <tvoss> sergiusens, they do, sure. as I said: having the data is useful to the user, but our default policies should be clever as well
[14:05] <brunogirin> lool: would it be a case of having the app being able to specify "I need this device while running in the background so please don't shut it down" with device being things like audio, screen, etc.
[14:06] <einalex> I guess we agree that we want both: very good policies and introspection
[14:08] <lool> brunogirin: yeah, do you have a specific example?
[14:08] <lool> maybe with sensors etc.
[14:09] <karni_> You can leave that up to the app, allow it to use different flags to indicate what the expectations should be. Exactly, hints.
[14:09] <sergiusens> tvoss: camera should keep the screen on, video as well... certain video games may not require it
[14:10] <benkaiser> just have a permission for 'allowed to keep the screen on'
[14:10] <karni_> video/game should grab a lock that keeps the screen on. full screen image preview would not.
[14:11] <brunogirin> lool: for screen, video playback; for audio, music playback
[14:11] <sergiusens> karni_: depends on the video game, so yes, up to the app
[14:11] <karni_> sergiusens: Sure. Perhaps chess game would allow for the screen to go off haha :)
[14:11] <benkaiser> by giving th 'fullscreen' permission it would mean I trust that app to keep the screen on. Like when I trust an app to have sms capabilities, I trust it to not abuse them.
[14:12] <karni_> fullscreen != keep screen on
[14:12] <karni_> mixing the two would be a huge mistake.
[14:12] <psi__> hi everybody
[14:12] <einalex> karni_: +1
[14:12] <benkaiser> sorry I mean keep screen on permission
[14:12] <karni_> I trust the image preview can take up fullscreen. But no sense for it to keep screen on, unless it's a "picture frame feature"
[14:13] <brunogirin> lool: you could have an API like startDeviceSession(device); stopDeviceSession(device) to notify the OS that your app wants to use a given device without interruption
[14:13] <karni_> +1 on reference counting device wake lock
[14:14] <momits> i feel it makes sense to let the apps themselves decide which full-screen priority they need. even if the default should be really restrictive.
[14:14] <Skald_9_> it has to be easy to turn on and off
[14:15] <karni_> The app could even provide as granular flag as "grab screen lock, allow dim"
[14:15] <aabb> it's powerful
[14:16] <karni_> (that would actually be alternative of two flags, for the record)
[14:16] <achiang> karni_: android does that with the flags you pass in to the wakelock, right?
[14:18] <momits> QUESTION: as the goal is to reach convergence between the desktop and phone codebase, will the power management rules also apply for desktop apps? like video-renderers etc?
[14:18] <karni_> achiang: correct
[14:19] <karni_> achiang: an activity (what you see on the screen) can also have a "keep screen on" flag (just a wake lock made easier)
[14:20] <lool> brunogirin: what you describe is typically android wakelocks
[14:20] <lool> brunogirin: but then we're screwed in that we can't really be clever at saving power; we have to honor the apps desire
[14:20] <karni_> momits: What do you have in mind? A desktop computer usually does not go off/suspend on it's own, in contract to handheld devices.
[14:21] <shubham_> shubhu
[14:21] <momits> karni: im thinking of the dockable version of handheld devices (like ubuntu for android), which will probably replace desktop computers some time.
[14:23] <brunogirin> lool: ok didn't know :-) but we can use a similar principle and rather than the API being a hard request, make it a query from the app with a way for the OS to say "no I can't do that"
[14:23] <karni_> momits: I see. If you'd dock such device, power management wouldn't be so conservative, so your video renderer would happily use the screen that is on.
[14:24] <karni_> PowerManagement policy will change the moment you dock, I would imagine.
[14:24] <brunogirin> lool: or allow the app to register a callback so that the OS can send back a notification if it decides to reclaim the wakelock early
[14:25] <momits> ok, makes sense.
[14:26] <brunogirin> Isn't it more important to know whether your device is plugged in or not rather than whether it's in phone or desktop mode?
[14:26] <exty32> hello
[14:27] <karni_> brunogirin: I agree, however "phone mode" is not well defined. Plugged phone is somewhat better, so both factors are important.
[14:29] <brunogirin> Regarding old/new APIs, what about restricting apps that use the old API (current desktop apps) to only run in desktop mode while apps that use the new API can run in any mode?
[14:32] <deneme> ooh no
[14:32] <deneme> i just came :(
[14:32] <exty32> end
[14:43] <einalex> dholbach: Hi Daniel, Do you know if the google calender linked on ubuntuonair.com is up to date? the last hangout and to one coming up don't appear there
[14:44] <dholbach> einalex, JoseeAntonioR would know
[14:44] <dholbach> I don't, sorry
[14:44] <einalex> dholbach: alright, thanks
[14:45] <einalex> let's see if he got the ping
[14:54] <HcNguyen111_> that was good
[15:00] <linuxdude> are we live
[15:02] <dholbach> linuxdude, no
[15:02] <dholbach> linuxdude, 1h until the next hangout
[15:03] <linuxdude> dholbach: thank you
[15:03] <dholbach> anytime
[15:15] <laky95> hi all :)
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[15:26] <Natzer> first time on hangout... but i'm wondering..  ubuntu is such a nice os but only an handfull people right here?
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[15:26] <kenvandine> dholbach, thanks!
[15:27] <einalex> many thanks! :)
[15:41] <prashant> hello
[15:41] <prashant> so whats new is going to ubuntu
[15:44] <sheeru> [QUESTION] is canonical mentoring for gsoc 2013?
[15:46] <dholbach> sheeru, no, Ubuntu is not part of this year's GSoC, I'm afraid
[15:48] <id4rk> hello everyone"
[15:48] <soe> can I use ubuntu on my huawei c8812?
[15:49] <dholbach> soe, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices lists all the devices ubuntu touch was ported to
[15:50] <id4rk> now
[15:50] <soe> thanks
[15:52] <id4rk> could you make a smaller video the next time, i cannot see the chat and video at the same time lol :P
[15:52] <id4rk> or put the video on the left side of the chat
[15:53] <id4rk> everyone has widescreens nowadays
[15:53] <dholbach> id4rk, JoseeAntonioR might be able to help with that
[15:53] <dholbach> although I'm not sure he's around right now
[15:54] <id4rk> It's ok for now, don worry, it's just an idea.
[15:54] <dholbach> a good idea :)
[15:55] <id4rk> Thank you. :-)
[15:55] <disaksen> Hello people! :)
[15:56] <disaksen> Hmm, dholbach is Turkish, or atleast located in Turkey...
[15:57] <dholbach> disaksen, not really :)
[15:58] <jzo> hello
[16:01] <einalex> dholbach: what's wrong about using another client?
[16:01] <dholbach> einalex, nothing at all
[16:01] <dholbach> einalex, but I guess a lot of people just use their web browser
[16:01] <einalex> hehe that#s what I thought :)
[16:02] <pig_org> hi all
[16:02] <mitko> hi!
[16:02] <MarekZeman91> Yeap, I’m in G.Chrome
[16:02] <MarekZeman91> Ps: Hi all
[16:03] <Khariton> test
[16:04] <id4rk> Reply: test
[16:04] <MarekZeman91> test success :D
[16:04] <Khariton> thx
[16:04] <id4rk> hahaha
[16:04] <Khariton> When will begin show? ))
[16:05] <einalex> it just did
[16:05] <MarekZeman91> still see nothing
[16:05] <dholbach> if you want to ask questions, please do, but please prefix them with QUESTION:
[16:05] <Khariton> wau. this is awesome...
[16:05] <dholbach> might have to restart the page
[16:05] <einalex> try to reload the page
[16:05] <sopykt> How do I use ubutu touch on android ph
[16:06] <dholbach> sopykt, that might be a question for #ubuntu-touch
[16:06] <sopykt> yes
[16:08] <MarekZeman91> QUESTION: So what’s the current status/progress of mobile Ubuntu or Ubuntu Android?
[16:08] <vibhav> o/
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[16:08] <vibhav> MarekZeman91: Thats unrelated to the topic. You can ask them at #ubuntu-touch
[16:10] <vibhav> QUESTION: Essentially, the Facebook and the Twitter core apps use the friends api?
[16:12] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Is friends made with Python 3? Why not C++, I feel like good C++ code could be faster and more memory effective than good Python 3 code.
[16:14] <crhrabal> QUESTION:  Will Friends have different UI in desktop vs touch?
[16:15] <vibhav> crhrabal: friends is an API. You can decide the UI
[16:15] <vibhav> Friends doesn't provide a UI, iirc
[16:16] <micah_> QUESTION: I'm working on a Pandora client for Ubuntu touch. I'm in the early stages, but it would be nice for the final product to be able to post to facebook / twitter, etc. Where can I find the info about the friends API?
[16:17] <vibhav> micah_: Are you talking about documentation?
[16:17] <micah_> yeah
[16:17] <vibhav> let me see
[16:20] <CheeseBurg> CheeseBurg: Is the friends api connecting to Ubuntu One so that the Ubuntu One account is automatically connected to my other accounts. This would be nice doing a fresh install and once I log in, all my other accounts just sync without any extra work.
[16:21] <jessejoker>  What code editor are showing us there Ken?
[16:22] <trobert2> are we going to be able to code apps in python for mobile?
[16:22] <trobert2> i got the impression that we can do it only in c/c++
[16:23] <ahayzen> QUESTION: How does the QML app link to the Python 3 API behind...and is the Python 3 API running on the Phone or is something else used?
[16:23] <ahayzen> trobert2, same...maybe u can use Python backends?
[16:24] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: How many social networks do you support now? Are you expecting the community to add more or will a team within Canonical also be working to add more networks along side the community?
[16:25] <vibhav> jessejoker: QtCreator
[16:25] <jessejoker> vibhav: ty!
[16:25] <trobert2> thank you!
[16:26] <ahmet> ...
[16:26] <vibhav> QUESTION: Where can I find the api documentation for the friends api?
[16:29] <dholbach> thta's https://launchpad.net/qml-friends
[16:29] <dholbach> that's https://launchpad.net/qml-friends :)
[16:30] <micah_> thanks!
[16:32] <ahayzen> kenvandine, thanks :)
[16:32] <kenvandine> ahayzen, np
[16:33] <vibhav> QUESTION: How can I use the friends api with my C code?
[16:33] <kenvandine> lp:libfriends
[16:33] <kenvandine> there are code examples there as well
[16:33] <crhrabal> Disqus would be great with Friends :)
[16:34] <kenvandine> and you can build it with docs enabled for gtkdoc style docs
[16:36] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will Unity Next use the friends api?
[16:38] <crhrabal> QUESTION: Are Google+ and Google Hangouts Open-Source? Would Google+ and Hangouts be possible to implement within Friends?
[16:43] <micah_> QUESTION: Will there be a way to only allow certain contacts from fb, etc. into our contact book? I have too many FB friends.
[16:44] <CheeseBurg> QUESTIONS: Is the api being developed with the SDK?
[16:45] <CheeseBurg> Does Ubuntu have a contacts application? Will the friends api be intergrated into it?
[16:45] <crhrabal> QUESTION: With limitations in Google+, does Ubuntu have any plans to create their own unfettered alternative to Hangouts?
[16:46] <Lil-|^Red> Will the Social network App allow for a statusnet (pump.io etc) aspect ? i.e. https://pump.jpope.org/jpope
[16:46] <Lil-|^Red> QUESTION : | Will the Social network App allow for a statusnet (pump.io etc) aspect ? i.e. https://pump.jpope.org/jpope
[16:46] <Lil-|^Red> soz forgot the pre-amble.
[16:48] <brunogirin> QUESTION: if I build a new online platform, how much work is it to add support to it in Online Accounts?
[16:51] <Lil-|^Red> Question : | Will diaspora be supported :: e.g. https://diasp.eu/posts/224394
[16:53] <CheeseBurg> bye guys
[16:53] <ahayzen> thanks guys :)
[16:53] <Lil-|^Red> see-ya thanx.
[16:54] <robru> Lil-|^Red, no *plans* for diaspora but I'm certainly interested in accepting some patches for it if somebody were to write it ;-)
[16:55] <Lil-|^Red> I wil federate that request to the networks :-[ wHAT'S THE BEST CONTACT INFO. FOR THAT ?
[16:55] <Lil-|^Red> soz 4 caps.
[16:56] <dholbach>  #gwibber on irc.freenode.net it seems
[16:57] <Lil-|^Red> robru: dholbach: Sorry, I turned up late .... I meant in launchpad ?
[16:57] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/friends if I'm not mistaken
[16:58] <Lil-|^Red> done.
[16:58] <dholbach> might be worth checking with the guys in #gwibber though :)
[16:59] <Lil-|^Red> I will mention the info. of " https://launchpad.net/~robru " too.
[17:01] <robru> Lil-|^Red, that's my launchpad page ;-)
[17:20] <Lil-|^Red> OK .. Federated to one pod so far .. https://diasp.eu/posts/946179#  [If you click on the speach-bubble ('Comment') and the bottom of the screen - you should get a Request for Patches message.
[17:21] <Lil-|^Red> If you can't... don't bother/worry .. It's only another bpod to deal with ;)
[17:22] <Lil-|^Red> robru: Hope some love comes yur way .. :-)
[17:24] <gromy> *
[17:30] <RojLaweRoj> hi frriend :(
[17:30] <RojLaweRoj> hii
[17:31] <RojLaweRoj> who is here
[17:31] <Lil-|^Red> RojLaweRoj: Moi- sei
[17:32] <Lil-|^Red> Why the :( grumpy-face ?
[17:32]  * Lil-|^Red tucks into his chicken home pride...
[17:33] <Lil-|^Red> oh well ...
[17:34] <ROJ> hiii
[17:34] <Lil-|^Red> same guy ?
[18:51] <Keiron> Is the stream over?
[19:27] <Guest6376> :o
[19:27] <Guest6376> 6 days left to hit the official 13.04 ? :)
[23:51] <ip4gjb> hello
[23:51] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, ip4gjb