Lil-|^Red | !anyone | 00:27 |
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lubotu3 | A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. | 00:27 |
Myrtti | if you tried, I'm sure you could be a little bit more consistent | 00:33 |
Lil-|^Red | Myrtti: Thanks for the heads-up .. just watching Jono and reading the newsletter tonight .. To be Frank .. my choice of IRC Client is the problem/inconsistent-ness. | 00:38 |
Lil-|^Red | but chances of getting that solved is like asking a farmer what milk I should drink so I don't get fat off the land. | 00:38 |
Lil-|^Red | ... tonight, here anyway. | 00:39 |
MooDoo | helo all | 07:06 |
TheOpenSourcerer | mornign earthlings | 07:08 |
TheOpenSourcerer | or morning even ;-) | 07:08 |
TheOpenSourcerer | keyboard dylsexia | 07:08 |
MooDoo | lol | 07:09 |
popey | pip pip | 07:55 |
MooDoo | morning popey | 08:00 |
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JamesTait | CQ, CQ, CQ - Happy Amateur Radio Day, over! | 08:24 |
SuperMatt | 10 four good buddy | 08:26 |
JamesTait | :D | 08:26 |
popey | What's our vector Victor? | 08:35 |
popey | Clearance Clarence! | 08:35 |
popey | Roger, Roger. | 08:35 |
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marsilainen | is there a way to generate German umlauted characters from an English keyboard layout? (eg. via Alt-Gr somehow) | 08:49 |
marsilainen | I use the characters rarely, but annoying to have to bring up a character map when I do need them | 08:49 |
marsilainen | I wouldn't want to switch my whole keyboard layout to German as I just need an occasional character | 08:50 |
marsilainen | (eg. for someone's name) | 08:50 |
Laney | marsilainen: It'd probably be best if you enable the compose key | 08:52 |
Laney | System Settings → Keyboard → Layout Settings → Options → Compose key position | 08:53 |
marsilainen | Laney: ok, thanks - I'll look into how to use that | 08:54 |
Laney | it'll take over whatever key you pick there (I have mine as çäps łóčĸ) | 08:54 |
Laney | then you press <compose>"a to get ä | 08:54 |
marsilainen | ah, great - thanks | 08:54 |
marsilainen | thanks, seems to work fine | 08:55 |
Laney | try <compose>:) ;-) | 08:56 |
marsilainen | ☺ | 08:56 |
popey | ☻ | 08:56 |
Laney | 1337 | 08:56 |
AlanBell | that is pretty cool | 09:00 |
Laney | I had cccp set up to give a hammer and sickle once but I forgot how to do it and lost the configuration :( | 09:01 |
popey | /completion -auto "cccp" ☭ | 09:04 |
popey | should do it | 09:04 |
popey | ☭ | 09:04 |
popey | yup | 09:04 |
Laney | oh irssi, I was talking about compose in general | 09:05 |
popey | oh | 09:06 |
Myrtti | it also kinda depends if you've got dead keys enabled or not | 09:06 |
Laney | I think you make a ~/.XCompose file | 09:07 |
marsilainen | it's not a character I often need TBH :p | 09:12 |
* bigcalm spins about on his office chair | 09:17 | |
bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 09:17 |
popey | hah | 09:19 |
bigcalm | Can you guess why the spinning? :D | 09:23 |
JamesTait | bigcalm, because you can? | 09:27 |
bigcalm | popey: when you connection went to 60mb, did your upstream stay the same around 3mb? | 09:27 |
bigcalm | JamesTait: that is always a good reason to do so | 09:27 |
popey | yes bigcalm | 09:28 |
bigcalm | popey: ah, that's fair enough then | 09:28 |
popey | just speedtested it | 09:30 |
popey | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653523287.png | 09:31 |
bigcalm | Mine from this morning http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653502098.png | 09:33 |
Laney | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653528483.png | 09:34 |
kvarley | Just compressed a accdb file 11.6MB into a zip and the zip is 825.2KB, can this be right? | 09:34 |
bigcalm | I wrote a script to download soundcloud playlists which I run now and then on a podcast. Glancing at the output of wget made me double take. 7.5mb/s, that can't be right... :) | 09:34 |
bigcalm | Laney: SDSL? | 09:35 |
popey | Laney is in Denmark? | 09:35 |
Laney | 2wtf | 09:35 |
Laney | speedtest cocked that one up | 09:35 |
kvarley | bigcalm: I'm rocking my 450kb/s connection | 09:35 |
bigcalm | heh | 09:36 |
kvarley | ADSL ftl | 09:36 |
Laney | I still had it in my browser showing my results | 09:36 |
Laney | refresh → some danish one | 09:36 |
Laney | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653534608.png | 09:37 |
popey | get you | 09:39 |
Laney | I get (relatively) shit speeds on wireless though | 09:39 |
popey | bummer | 09:40 |
brobostigon | [A | 09:40 |
brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 09:40 |
bigcalm | I'm in for a really poopy day. Yet seeing my connection has been upped, not so poopy | 09:40 |
bigcalm | Morning brobostigon | 09:40 |
brobostigon | morning bigcalm | 09:40 |
MooDoo | morning brobostigon | 09:41 |
brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 09:41 |
bigcalm | Wind just blew my window shut - that's enough fresh air for you, back to work! | 10:01 |
popey | sunny! | 10:01 |
bigcalm | And here | 10:02 |
bigcalm | I can't see any blue sky, but the sun still shines | 10:02 |
MooDoo | here too | 10:02 |
bigcalm | What's the plural of axis? | 10:02 |
MooDoo | same | 10:03 |
bigcalm | Ah, Wiktionary says axes | 10:03 |
MooDoo | sorry meant it's aces | 10:03 |
MooDoo | axes | 10:03 |
MooDoo | rats I can't type | 10:03 |
bigcalm | :) | 10:03 |
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meet | a quick query. in ifconfig i am getting different hwaddr for eth0 and wan0 . should not they be the same | 10:20 |
bigcalm | meet: no, they are two separate network devices, just happen to be in the same system | 10:21 |
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bigcalm | If they had the same hardware address, you couldn't use them individually | 10:21 |
meet | bigcalm: but hwaddr is the mac address .. right? | 10:22 |
bigcalm | Yes | 10:22 |
meet | then my device has 2 mac addresses? | 10:22 |
meet | dell laptop | 10:22 |
directhex | meet, at least | 10:23 |
bigcalm | eth0 is the wired port, wan0 is the wifi connection | 10:23 |
bigcalm | directhex: we | 10:23 |
directhex | MAC addresses are found on wired networks, wireless networks, bluetooth, and TV cards | 10:23 |
bigcalm | Ah, least not last | 10:23 |
meet | does that mean i have 2 NIC? | 10:23 |
* bigcalm goes back to his cave | 10:23 | |
bigcalm | Yes | 10:23 |
directhex | meet, yes | 10:24 |
meet | ok.. one for wifi and other for wired.. that way .. right? | 10:24 |
directhex | meet, yeah. typically an intel centrino wireless, and some cheap ethernet chip (maybe realtek) | 10:24 |
meet | directhex: so on a desktop or an old pc.. both the hwaddr will be same presumably? | 10:25 |
directhex | meet, on a desktop or an old pc, you wouldn't have a wan0 device | 10:25 |
meet | oh.. ya right :) | 10:26 |
directhex | meet, you get one device listed in ifconfig per network device. many desktops have more than one wired connection. so eth0, eth1, eth2... | 10:26 |
bigcalm | directhex: I was quite surprised that my Alienware X51 desktop has wifi | 10:26 |
meet | ok.. and hwaddr=hardware address? | 10:26 |
bigcalm | meet: yes | 10:27 |
directhex | and virtual network devices (if you use virtualization software like virtualbox) gets a fake MAC too | 10:27 |
directhex | meet, yes | 10:27 |
meet | thanks a lot bigcalm and directhex :) | 10:27 |
directhex | directhex@desire:~$ ifconfig | grep HWaddr | 10:27 |
directhex | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:24:1d:12:05:4d | 10:27 |
directhex | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:24:1d:12:05:4f | 10:27 |
directhex | virbr0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 1e:9a:9e:ef:5d:1c | 10:27 |
directhex | meet, oh, one more thing that might interest you | 10:27 |
meet | ya? | 10:27 |
directhex | meet, the first 6 digits of the MAC address are supposedly unique to a device manufacturer. so you can identify the network card brand from the MAC | 10:28 |
directhex | e.g. with my example above | 10:28 |
directhex | http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/?string=00%3A24%3A1d | 10:28 |
meet | hm.. nice .. :) | 10:28 |
directhex | 00:24:1d is gigabyte. and i have a gigabyte motherboard | 10:28 |
davmor2 | Morning all | 10:32 |
bigcalm | Morning davmor2 | 10:36 |
bigcalm | davmor2: Alex wasn't at the lug last night and I forgot to mention about today. I'm guessing he hasn't gone | 10:37 |
davmor2 | bigcalm: you can probably ask him on wolveslug (which almost certainly means he is home) | 10:38 |
Myrtti | I wonder should I outdo a friend who recently met RMS by meeting an actual freedom fighter who flies around the world meeting and talking to people | 10:51 |
Myrtti | *ponder* | 10:51 |
bigcalm | Superman? | 10:52 |
davmor2 | Captain America? | 10:52 |
bigcalm | He doesn't fly | 10:52 |
Myrtti | then again I think the speeches are already prebooked to other people | 10:52 |
Myrtti | uni students and like | 10:52 |
Myrtti | Dalai Lama | 10:53 |
Myrtti | https://plus.google.com/108551811075711499995/posts/5BzQZ6pDVb4 | 10:53 |
bigcalm | Nice | 10:53 |
davmor2 | bigcalm: so you finally joined the 21 century then | 10:58 |
bigcalm | davmor2: my taste in music has yet to do so | 10:59 |
bigcalm | davmor2: but yes, it was a nice surprise this morning | 10:59 |
davmor2 | bigcalm: musically I think we are both back in the 80's and 90's | 11:01 |
bigcalm | Speaking of which, I'm on the phone to Halfords to try and get my DAB problem fixed | 11:02 |
davmor2 | bigcalm: what issue is that | 11:02 |
bigcalm | davmor2: the stork controls aren't working as advertised. 1) I can't access the system menu, 2) changing station only works buy going up the list | 11:03 |
Myrtti | aw, gord isn't here | 11:04 |
popey | indeed, wanted to wish him HB earlier | 11:04 |
* popey opens skype | 11:04 | |
bigcalm | If I'm on Absolute 90s and want to go to Absolute 80s, I have to go though all 60ish stations | 11:04 |
davmor2 | bigcalm: ouch | 11:05 |
bigcalm | Yeah, bit miffed | 11:06 |
bigcalm | I sent a support request to the AutoDAB manufacturer, but haven't had a response | 11:06 |
SuperMatt | a lot of digital radios seem to be content with just backwards and forward buttons | 11:06 |
SuperMatt | there's too many channels for that! | 11:06 |
SuperMatt | it was ok when we only had 5 tv channels, but I think it's time to move on | 11:06 |
bigcalm | Indeed, this unit does allow for 7 preset stations. But I can't access the system menu to set any | 11:07 |
bigcalm | Paid a fair bit for the unit and for Halfords to fit it. Glad I did, it's their problem to fix :) | 11:08 |
bigcalm | Oddly, I found that listening to Kerrang was clearer on FM than it was via DAB | 11:08 |
SuperMatt | well the thing is, digial radio isn't so hot in cars. It doesn't deal with movement very well | 11:09 |
bigcalm | True | 11:10 |
SuperMatt | when you're in a good spot, of course the sound is better, but start moving and it starts to degrade *quickly* | 11:10 |
* bigcalm ponders where to slither off to for lunch | 11:12 | |
SuperMatt | I'm going to itsu | 11:12 |
SuperMatt | in about 15 minutes | 11:12 |
bigcalm | tisu? | 11:13 |
bigcalm | itsu? | 11:13 |
popey | wise! | 11:13 |
SuperMatt | the only problem with itsu is that it's quite close to mcdonalds | 11:13 |
* popey goes to get something nommy for lunch | 11:13 | |
* popey ponders what though | 11:13 | |
SuperMatt | in fact, I have to cross and extra road to get to itsu | 11:13 |
bigcalm | SuperMatt: McDonald's it is then | 11:14 |
* TheOpenSourcerer feels a wander into town coming on. Visit to the bank to deposit a cheque (why do customers still pay with cheques?) | 11:14 | |
funkyHat | The *only* problem with itsu? | 11:14 |
funkyHat | Actually there is an itsu right outside here | 11:14 |
bigcalm | TheOpenSourcerer: so that they get to hang on to their money for a little bit longer | 11:14 |
funkyHat | And a Pret, and an Eat | 11:14 |
TheOpenSourcerer | Maybe bigcalm but the customers who pay us with cheques always pay well before the due date... | 11:15 |
bigcalm | Wow, their website is majorly messed up in chromium | 11:15 |
funkyHat | I have clients who pay by cheque, I think they are scared of technology and used to cheques | 11:16 |
* SuperMatt shakes a fist at a "mail provider" called mailgun | 11:22 | |
SuperMatt | they only retry sending an email once, and that's from a random mail server in their pool, so it's not guaranteed to pass greylisting. | 11:23 |
TheOpenSourcerer | One for lunchtime reading: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2035651/open-source-is-taking-over-the-software-world-survey-says.html :-D Some of us knew this already... | 11:23 |
SuperMatt | I've fired off an email to them | 11:23 |
directhex | SuperMatt, so they don't understand email then? | 11:25 |
SuperMatt | clearly not! | 11:33 |
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Lil-|^Red | OT | Rick shared an interesting App .. a c ouple of days ago | http://bit.ly/Gubuntucat | 12:55 |
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SuperMatt | I've just found the weirdest bug | 13:10 |
SuperMatt | typing the letter n into my launcher is entering an invisible character | 13:10 |
Lil-|^Red | SuperMatt .. Check the CapLock, Alt, Tab, SuperKey and Tilda key are not active. | 13:13 |
SuperMatt | logging out and back in again fixd it | 13:14 |
mungbean | whats happenin kids | 13:54 |
bigcalm | Tired and I want to go to bed | 14:05 |
Laney | i had a little drink about an hour ago | 14:06 |
bigcalm | And it's gone straight to my head | 14:07 |
mungbean | dum dum dum dum dum dum JAWSS | 14:08 |
* bigcalm ponders a nap | 14:12 | |
bigcalm | +1 for working from home | 14:12 |
mungbean | there's a violent hailstorm outside | 14:12 |
bigcalm | Just grey here | 14:13 |
brobostigon | cloudy/sunny spells here. | 14:14 |
Myrtti | I should get my dyepot inside, it's probably cooled enough | 14:16 |
davmor2 | Myrtti: I read that as despot I was wondering which dictator was outside yours :) | 14:18 |
mungbean | polpot | 14:18 |
Myrtti | mungbean: close, but not quite https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/6P5rcuWAirW | 14:19 |
bigcalm | davmor2: car booked in with Halfords for Monday lunchtime. They were quite apologetic | 14:20 |
davmor2 | bigcalm: nice | 14:22 |
mungbean | this server room has stalactites | 14:23 |
mungbean | http://ubuntuone.com/2VMi3eSP8zKjAwZ9vA4p00 | 14:23 |
bigcalm | Oh my | 14:23 |
bigcalm | That doesn't look healthy | 14:23 |
mungbean | i wanted to touch one but they also stored radioactive material in there so i didn't. looked like crumbly limestone on the floor of the room. checkmate atheists | 14:24 |
mungbean | from the stalacmites that got stamped on | 14:24 |
Myrtti | it's going to be such a lovely green yarn | 14:26 |
mungbean | my wife is knitting me a jumper in sirdar chunky | 14:26 |
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* xnox giggles at searching for "aa" and finding a manpage: | 14:51 | |
xnox | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/quantal/en/man1/aa.1.html | 14:51 |
MooDoo | http://youtu.be/tj7al6MXu7U - can I borrow your iphone? | 14:53 |
* bigcalm drums his fingers, waiting for chapter 2 to come out for Kentucky Route Zero | 15:02 | |
brunogirin | xnox: brilliant, I've learnt a new command today! | 15:11 |
xnox | the AA team! | 15:11 |
davmor2 | xnox: invalid option error: team is an unknown option use AA --help for assistance :D | 15:18 |
mungbean | sucks. bug 1140716 | 15:22 |
lubotu3 | bug 1140716 in linux-lts-quantal (Ubuntu Precise) "[regression] 3.5.0-26-generic and 3.2.0-39-generic GPU hangs on Sandybridge" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1140716 | 15:22 |
mungbean | upgraded to 3.5 kernel because that was suggested | 15:22 |
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mungbean | now the fix is in 3.2.x proposed | 15:22 |
mungbean | oh, looks like proposed fix aint working for some | 15:24 |
mungbean | anyone have suggestions on where would be good to buy 100 x samsung galaxy note 2 | 15:40 |
Myrtti | how many? | 15:40 |
Myrtti | *squint* | 15:40 |
mungbean | yes | 15:40 |
Myrtti | nice. | 15:40 |
mungbean | about a hundred or so | 15:40 |
MartijnVdS | call your local Samsung representative ;) | 15:41 |
mungbean | tablet not phone | 15:41 |
MartijnVdS | mungbean: still, a Samsung salesperson would probably be HAPPY to help :) | 15:42 |
directhex | yeah, 100 is "talk to manufacturer" numbers | 15:42 |
directhex | since you're talking lots of money | 15:42 |
directhex | don't bother trying an etailer like expansys. they'll dick you. | 15:43 |
SuperMatt | is it possible to have multiple workspaces enabled, without having the button? | 16:06 |
TheOpenSourcerer | mungbean: If you are a company - you will probably need to talk to a distributor (a box shifter that supplies the likes of expansys et al). | 16:06 |
BigRedS | SuperMatt: which button? | 16:15 |
SuperMatt | on the launcher | 16:16 |
BigRedS | ah! forgot about that. I've no idea | 16:17 |
TheOpenSourcerer | CTL+ALT+Arrow Keys is what I use all the time. the whole launcher thing and stuff is just way too slow. | 16:18 |
SuperMatt | I know about the keys, but the button clutters my launcher. If I turn the button off though, I lose the ability to switch workspaces altogether | 16:25 |
TheOpenSourcerer | orly - I didn't realise that! | 16:27 |
SuperMatt | I think so | 16:27 |
SuperMatt | lemme test | 16:27 |
SuperMatt | yeah, these only a tick box for enable workspaces | 16:28 |
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MartijnVdS | SuperMatt: The Design Team wants it to be like that | 17:38 |
MartijnVdS | SuperMatt: Workspaces are of the devil! | 17:38 |
MartijnVdS | SuperMatt: like normal scroll bars, and menu bars | 17:38 |
Lil-|^Red | MartijnVdS: 'el diablo' ? I thought you were an Angel ? | 17:39 |
MartijnVdS | Lil-|^Red: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E28WrhpTzQA | 17:39 |
Lil-|^Red | ha ha .. | 17:40 |
Lil-|^Red | http://identi.ca/notice/100659276 !Linux 3.4.41 !Kernel has been released http://www.kernel.org/ | 17:42 |
MartijnVdS | identi.ca still exists?! | 17:43 |
Lil-|^Red | no its pump.io now. | 17:43 |
Myrtti | MartijnVdS: yeah I had hoped it would have died years ago | 17:44 |
Lil-|^Red | Yep. This does though ... https://diasp.eu/tags/ubuntu | 17:45 |
Myrtti | oh yeah, that's the other social media service nobody remembers unless someone mentions it | 17:45 |
Lil-|^Red | good posters /etc.... | 17:45 |
Myrtti | that's what I call it atleast "the whassit, the service nobody remembers..." | 17:46 |
Lil-|^Red | .. mm .. how rude. | 17:46 |
Myrtti | no not really, I think it's a representative name for it atleast among my acquaintances | 17:47 |
Lil-|^Red | acquaintaines / association / bros .. why not just call them friends ? https://launchpad.net/friends | 17:48 |
Myrtti | it's a bit like the game (which both you and I have now lost) | 17:48 |
Myrtti | I hate gwibber with a passion | 17:48 |
Lil-|^Red | what about W8 ? | 17:48 |
Myrtti | the fruit juice? | 17:49 |
Lil-|^Red | oh dear.. | 17:49 |
Myrtti | yes, that. | 17:49 |
Lil-|^Red | Yeah .. I like to hate things .. just not when you try to 'change' people . that's narcistic .. like telling ppl what to eat etc.. | 17:50 |
Lil-|^Red | I know this java guy who never wore shoes .. | 17:50 |
popey | Myrtti: i ended up not bothering to login to identi.ca and diaspora when people remind me they exist, because when I did, there was nothing there worth seeing | 17:50 |
popey | Myrtti: i guess how some facebookers see G+ ? | 17:51 |
Myrtti | popey: I suppose | 17:51 |
bigcalm | That's how I see Facebook | 17:51 |
popey | same here now ☻ | 17:51 |
Myrtti | but yeah, your experience matches with mine, apart from the fact that I rile myself up to be proper angry when I did have a look into identica | 17:51 |
Lil-|^Red | Everytime I mentioned I was going to the fridge he said .. If it's not full freshh cream and not pasteurised.. then I am not talking to you .. I left. | 17:51 |
Lil-|^Red | leaves. | 17:52 |
popey | it's me isn't it? | 17:53 |
popey | as soon as I say something he says /me leaves and quits | 17:53 |
popey | or am I being paranoid? | 17:53 |
marsilainen | if I install Apache on a system which is already running nginx, will this cause a problem? what I really mean is, will nginx continue to be responsible for port 80/443 and keep working? | 17:57 |
popey | marsilainen: apache will fail to start on install | 18:00 |
Myrtti | popey: I suppose it's possible, perhaps you should have a similar script to his to put random stuff on the channel? :-P | 18:00 |
popey | if nginx is up | 18:01 |
popey | but when you restart the system there's the possibility apache will start before nginx | 18:01 |
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NET||abuse | hi folks. | 19:12 |
NET||abuse | was having a real pain in the butt with my drive boot setup. trying to configure the n40L to work with not /dev/sda as theboot disk | 19:14 |
NET||abuse | i set the bios to use sdc for now (i've not loaded the bios mod to get sde working) so i have 2x1TB disks in sda and sdb, and the os drive is sdc, | 19:15 |
NET||abuse | sda1 is flagg'ed boot, and i ran grub-install /dev/sdc successfully. but.. | 19:16 |
DJones | Ooh, raring's friends update has brought twitter back | 19:17 |
NET||abuse | when i just boot it up,, i just get a blinking cursor.. no messages at all. | 19:17 |
mungbean | manlab \o/ | 19:20 |
directhex | flagging boot doesn't do anything. it's a pointless holdover from CPM or somesuch | 19:36 |
marsilainen | popey: ok, thanks for the info | 19:44 |
marsilainen | I want to move from nginx -> Apache, but just figuring out the way that's going to cause the least downtime for my users | 19:46 |
popey | marsilainen: run them in parallel | 19:47 |
mgdm | hmm, most folk go the other way :) any reason for that? | 19:47 |
popey | with apache on port 8000 for testing for example | 19:47 |
popey | then flip the switch at a quiet time | 19:47 |
popey | and swap the ports over | 19:47 |
popey | (is what I'd do) | 19:47 |
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marsilainen | popey: yeah, I think that's a good idea | 20:28 |
popey | thats what i did when i migrated from apache to lighttpd | 20:28 |
marsilainen | makes sense | 20:28 |
marsilainen | so I guess I'm ok to install Apache on the running ngnix server and then just configure it to use 8000 | 20:28 |
popey | yes | 20:29 |
marsilainen | cool, thanks for the help | 20:29 |
popey | you'll get an error on install | 20:29 |
popey | because it will try to start | 20:29 |
marsilainen | sure, that's no problem | 20:29 |
popey | np | 20:29 |
marsilainen | on another note, I'm quite impressed by Linode | 20:30 |
marsilainen | getting quite a lot of power for the price | 20:31 |
popey | ʘ‿ಠ | 20:31 |
popey | http://blog.linode.com/2013/04/16/security-incident-update/ | 20:31 |
marsilainen | seems better value than what I had on Bytemark | 20:31 |
marsilainen | yeah, that doesn't sound great... | 20:33 |
marsilainen | I knew that they had done a password reset, but wasn't aware of the full extent of the circumstances | 20:34 |
* MartijnVdS is on Bytemark's new platform now | 20:35 | |
shauno | the linode issue makes me uneasy, because they said it was restricted to a single customer when they did the password reset. we only got more details because the intruder started bragging | 20:38 |
Myrtti | what worries me is that a lot of people are probably leaving Linode, and they're apparently quite a nice, friendly company | 20:38 |
Myrtti | it's a shame being nice isn't enough to keep the data secure | 20:39 |
shauno | they are, but being upfront goes a whole long way in this business | 20:39 |
Myrtti | indeed | 20:39 |
shauno | $proverbial happens. but keeping it to yourself isn't fantastic for customers | 20:39 |
Myrtti | oh man I wish my dye pot wouldn't stink so bad | 20:42 |
shauno | heh, I know the feeling. fermenting anything has turned into a bad idea now that I've moved into a much smaller place | 20:43 |
Myrtti | red onion skins and alum doesn't have a sweet smell I can tell you that | 20:45 |
shauno | saurkraut has much the same problem. I simply can't do it in this flat | 20:48 |
* popey pokes bigcalm | 20:50 | |
shauno | slightly more on-topic, anyone intimate with openstack? I've moved from the livecd in a VM, to devstack in a VM. but I'm running into two issues, probably related. one is that kvm-ok tells me to load kvm_intel, but modprobe kvm_intel complains it doesn't exist. the other is that VMs are being run with -no-kvm, which is turning my laptop into a spaceheater | 20:54 |
popey | does your laptop support VMX? | 20:55 |
popey | what CPU is it? | 20:55 |
shauno | it does, and I'm passing that to the VM too | 20:55 |
popey | oh, you're in a VM | 20:55 |
popey | does that even work? | 20:55 |
MartijnVdS | you can nest now | 20:55 |
shauno | in vmware, yes. in vbox, no | 20:55 |
popey | neat | 20:55 |
MartijnVdS | in kvm, sometimes | 20:55 |
shauno | the VM is running in vmware, because I'm on a mac, and I've found installing multiple hypervisors makes for mysterious explosions | 20:57 |
shauno | but kvm-ok reports INFO: /dev/kvm exists (newline) KVM acceleration can be used | 20:58 |
shauno | but if I launch an instance, I'm seeing qemu-system-x86_64 with the -no-kvm option, and constantly at 99.something% cpu | 21:00 |
popey | well, it will | 21:00 |
popey | with -no-kvm | 21:00 |
popey | modinfo kvm-intel | 21:00 |
popey | does that show the module? | 21:00 |
shauno | my understanding is that if kvm-ok says I'm happy, I shouldn't have -no-kvm, vt-x should be used, and all will be happy | 21:01 |
popey | surely not if you specifically say -no-kvm | 21:01 |
shauno | it does, as /lib/modules/3.5.0-27-lowlatency/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko | 21:01 |
popey | and cat /proc/cpuinfo shows the vmx flag? | 21:02 |
shauno | that's the question .. where's -no-kvm coming from | 21:02 |
shauno | yes, vme & vmx | 21:02 |
AlanBell | evening all | 21:02 |
popey | hello | 21:02 |
shauno | (not sure what the physical cpu is, it's a year-old mac) | 21:02 |
* AlanBell is in Wales | 21:03 | |
shauno | por quoi? | 21:03 |
AlanBell | customer visit, just had yummy steak with them :) | 21:03 |
shauno | a personal irony, I consider myself travelled. I've lived in england/scotland/ireland, the states, etc. I've not spent so much as 2 seconds in Wales, unless the M6 grazes it | 21:04 |
shauno | quite annoyed that this is beating me. I have to launch a small environment at work, a virtual lab comprising 4 physical servers. and I'm having a terrible time trying to figure out if there's any linux-based stack that'd be preferable to vmware's | 21:08 |
shauno | I really don't want vmware because they want windows for anything more than basic interaction. and while I really don't have a beef against windows, it tends to make me look stupid because I'm entirely unfamiliar with it | 21:09 |
mungbean | i use windows as vsphere os | 21:15 |
mungbean | nothing more | 21:15 |
shauno | that's what I'm trying to avoid. because I need to script creation/snapshot/destruction. and I honestly have no idea how you'd do that anymore | 21:16 |
mungbean | just started looking at openstack last week but there is no official ref guide | 21:17 |
mungbean | which means i resort to fora and blogs = bad | 21:17 |
shauno | yeah. a big problem I've run into it is that it tends to assume you're overly familiar with Amazon's methodology | 21:18 |
shauno | so things are just described as "this here is parallel to that on AWS" | 21:19 |
shauno | which is probably very intuitive if you're trying to bring an AWS stack in-house. but we're not allowed to touch amazon. our projects must be born, live, and die in-house | 21:20 |
mungbean | yeah | 21:20 |
mungbean | which all sends the not mature yet message | 21:21 |
shauno | well, this build is for a lab, it doesn't need to be mature | 21:21 |
shauno | I just need (Real world)<-->(VM'd firewall)<-->(Appliance)<-->(physical switch). where I need to be able to deploy new or snapshot versions of the firewall & appliance from a cozy web frontend | 21:23 |
mungbean | spacewalk /kvm? | 21:23 |
shauno | most my complication is that we need to be able to add dhcp server, dns server, smtp server between the appliance and the firewall, and I need something that will allow packet capture on the virtual networks (both sides of the appliance) | 21:25 |
shauno | basically just different environments the appliance could be deployed in, so we can replicate a basic version the customer and packet-capture our way to glory | 21:27 |
shauno | openstack+juju or openstack+chef/puppet is looking fantastic for being able to create random services on the internal network. but I don't have hardware yet, and it's not playing well with my laptop :/ | 21:29 |
shauno | recently had a customer who had a DNS server with a whitelist of what IPs it was allowed to outbound to. that's the kinda crazy I need to be able to build on demand | 21:38 |
shauno | grep -ri no-kvm . | 21:55 |
shauno | grep: memory exhausted | 21:55 |
shauno | never seen that before :) | 21:55 |
NET||abuse | upsetting.. i'm on GBit switch, only getting 170-200KB/s transfer with ssh/scp? | 23:48 |
NET||abuse | oh well, bedtime. | 23:50 |
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