[00:27] !anyone [00:27] A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [00:33] if you tried, I'm sure you could be a little bit more consistent [00:38] Myrtti: Thanks for the heads-up .. just watching Jono and reading the newsletter tonight .. To be Frank .. my choice of IRC Client is the problem/inconsistent-ness. [00:38] but chances of getting that solved is like asking a farmer what milk I should drink so I don't get fat off the land. [00:39] ... tonight, here anyway. [07:06] helo all [07:08] mornign earthlings [07:08] or morning even ;-) [07:08] keyboard dylsexia [07:09] lol [07:55] pip pip [08:00] morning popey === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [08:24] CQ, CQ, CQ - Happy Amateur Radio Day, over! [08:26] 10 four good buddy [08:26] :D [08:35] What's our vector Victor? [08:35] Clearance Clarence! [08:35] Roger, Roger. === graingert is now known as BTCMLM === BTCMLM is now known as graingert [08:49] is there a way to generate German umlauted characters from an English keyboard layout? (eg. via Alt-Gr somehow) [08:49] I use the characters rarely, but annoying to have to bring up a character map when I do need them [08:50] I wouldn't want to switch my whole keyboard layout to German as I just need an occasional character [08:50] (eg. for someone's name) [08:52] marsilainen: It'd probably be best if you enable the compose key [08:53] System Settings → Keyboard → Layout Settings → Options → Compose key position [08:54] Laney: ok, thanks - I'll look into how to use that [08:54] it'll take over whatever key you pick there (I have mine as çäps łóčĸ) [08:54] then you press "a to get ä [08:54] ah, great - thanks [08:55] thanks, seems to work fine [08:56] try :) ;-) [08:56] ☺ [08:56] ☻ [08:56] 1337 [09:00] that is pretty cool [09:01] I had cccp set up to give a hammer and sickle once but I forgot how to do it and lost the configuration :( [09:04] /completion -auto "cccp" ☭ [09:04] should do it [09:04] ☭ [09:04] yup [09:05] oh irssi, I was talking about compose in general [09:06] oh [09:06] it also kinda depends if you've got dead keys enabled or not [09:07] I think you make a ~/.XCompose file [09:12] it's not a character I often need TBH :p [09:17] * bigcalm spins about on his office chair [09:17] Good morning peeps :) [09:19] hah [09:23] Can you guess why the spinning? :D [09:27] bigcalm, because you can? [09:27] popey: when you connection went to 60mb, did your upstream stay the same around 3mb? [09:27] JamesTait: that is always a good reason to do so [09:28] yes bigcalm [09:28] popey: ah, that's fair enough then [09:30] just speedtested it [09:31] http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653523287.png [09:33] Mine from this morning http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653502098.png [09:34] http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653528483.png [09:34] Just compressed a accdb file 11.6MB into a zip and the zip is 825.2KB, can this be right? [09:34] I wrote a script to download soundcloud playlists which I run now and then on a podcast. Glancing at the output of wget made me double take. 7.5mb/s, that can't be right... :) [09:35] Laney: SDSL? [09:35] Laney is in Denmark? [09:35] 2wtf [09:35] speedtest cocked that one up [09:35] bigcalm: I'm rocking my 450kb/s connection [09:36] heh [09:36] ADSL ftl [09:36] I still had it in my browser showing my results [09:36] refresh → some danish one [09:37] http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653534608.png [09:39] get you [09:39] I get (relatively) shit speeds on wireless though [09:40] bummer [09:40] [A [09:40] good morning everyone, [09:40] I'm in for a really poopy day. Yet seeing my connection has been upped, not so poopy [09:40] Morning brobostigon [09:40] morning bigcalm [09:41] morning brobostigon [09:41] morning MooDoo [10:01] Wind just blew my window shut - that's enough fresh air for you, back to work! [10:01] sunny! [10:02] And here [10:02] I can't see any blue sky, but the sun still shines [10:02] here too [10:02] What's the plural of axis? [10:03] same [10:03] Ah, Wiktionary says axes [10:03] sorry meant it's aces [10:03] axes [10:03] rats I can't type [10:03] :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [10:20] a quick query. in ifconfig i am getting different hwaddr for eth0 and wan0 . should not they be the same [10:21] meet: no, they are two separate network devices, just happen to be in the same system === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [10:21] If they had the same hardware address, you couldn't use them individually [10:22] bigcalm: but hwaddr is the mac address .. right? [10:22] Yes [10:22] then my device has 2 mac addresses? [10:22] dell laptop [10:23] meet, at least [10:23] eth0 is the wired port, wan0 is the wifi connection [10:23] directhex: we [10:23] MAC addresses are found on wired networks, wireless networks, bluetooth, and TV cards [10:23] Ah, least not last [10:23] does that mean i have 2 NIC? [10:23] * bigcalm goes back to his cave [10:23] Yes [10:24] meet, yes [10:24] ok.. one for wifi and other for wired.. that way .. right? [10:24] meet, yeah. typically an intel centrino wireless, and some cheap ethernet chip (maybe realtek) [10:25] directhex: so on a desktop or an old pc.. both the hwaddr will be same presumably? [10:25] meet, on a desktop or an old pc, you wouldn't have a wan0 device [10:26] oh.. ya right :) [10:26] meet, you get one device listed in ifconfig per network device. many desktops have more than one wired connection. so eth0, eth1, eth2... [10:26] directhex: I was quite surprised that my Alienware X51 desktop has wifi [10:26] ok.. and hwaddr=hardware address? [10:27] meet: yes [10:27] and virtual network devices (if you use virtualization software like virtualbox) gets a fake MAC too [10:27] meet, yes [10:27] thanks a lot bigcalm and directhex :) [10:27] directhex@desire:~$ ifconfig | grep HWaddr [10:27] eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:24:1d:12:05:4d [10:27] eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:24:1d:12:05:4f [10:27] virbr0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 1e:9a:9e:ef:5d:1c [10:27] meet, oh, one more thing that might interest you [10:27] ya? [10:28] meet, the first 6 digits of the MAC address are supposedly unique to a device manufacturer. so you can identify the network card brand from the MAC [10:28] e.g. with my example above [10:28] http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/?string=00%3A24%3A1d [10:28] hm.. nice .. :) [10:28] 00:24:1d is gigabyte. and i have a gigabyte motherboard [10:32] Morning all [10:36] Morning davmor2 [10:37] davmor2: Alex wasn't at the lug last night and I forgot to mention about today. I'm guessing he hasn't gone [10:38] bigcalm: you can probably ask him on wolveslug (which almost certainly means he is home) [10:51] I wonder should I outdo a friend who recently met RMS by meeting an actual freedom fighter who flies around the world meeting and talking to people [10:51] *ponder* [10:52] Superman? [10:52] Captain America? [10:52] He doesn't fly [10:52] then again I think the speeches are already prebooked to other people [10:52] uni students and like [10:53] Dalai Lama [10:53] https://plus.google.com/108551811075711499995/posts/5BzQZ6pDVb4 [10:53] Nice [10:58] bigcalm: so you finally joined the 21 century then [10:59] davmor2: my taste in music has yet to do so [10:59] davmor2: but yes, it was a nice surprise this morning [11:01] bigcalm: musically I think we are both back in the 80's and 90's [11:02] Speaking of which, I'm on the phone to Halfords to try and get my DAB problem fixed [11:02] bigcalm: what issue is that [11:03] davmor2: the stork controls aren't working as advertised. 1) I can't access the system menu, 2) changing station only works buy going up the list [11:04] aw, gord isn't here [11:04] indeed, wanted to wish him HB earlier [11:04] * popey opens skype [11:04] If I'm on Absolute 90s and want to go to Absolute 80s, I have to go though all 60ish stations [11:05] bigcalm: ouch [11:06] Yeah, bit miffed [11:06] I sent a support request to the AutoDAB manufacturer, but haven't had a response [11:06] a lot of digital radios seem to be content with just backwards and forward buttons [11:06] there's too many channels for that! [11:06] it was ok when we only had 5 tv channels, but I think it's time to move on [11:07] Indeed, this unit does allow for 7 preset stations. But I can't access the system menu to set any [11:08] Paid a fair bit for the unit and for Halfords to fit it. Glad I did, it's their problem to fix :) [11:08] Oddly, I found that listening to Kerrang was clearer on FM than it was via DAB [11:09] well the thing is, digial radio isn't so hot in cars. It doesn't deal with movement very well [11:10] True [11:10] when you're in a good spot, of course the sound is better, but start moving and it starts to degrade *quickly* [11:12] * bigcalm ponders where to slither off to for lunch [11:12] I'm going to itsu [11:12] in about 15 minutes [11:13] tisu? [11:13] itsu? [11:13] wise! [11:13] the only problem with itsu is that it's quite close to mcdonalds [11:13] * popey goes to get something nommy for lunch [11:13] * popey ponders what though [11:13] in fact, I have to cross and extra road to get to itsu [11:14] SuperMatt: McDonald's it is then [11:14] * TheOpenSourcerer feels a wander into town coming on. Visit to the bank to deposit a cheque (why do customers still pay with cheques?) [11:14] The *only* problem with itsu? [11:14] Actually there is an itsu right outside here [11:14] TheOpenSourcerer: so that they get to hang on to their money for a little bit longer [11:14] And a Pret, and an Eat [11:15] Maybe bigcalm but the customers who pay us with cheques always pay well before the due date... [11:15] Wow, their website is majorly messed up in chromium [11:16] I have clients who pay by cheque, I think they are scared of technology and used to cheques [11:22] * SuperMatt shakes a fist at a "mail provider" called mailgun [11:23] they only retry sending an email once, and that's from a random mail server in their pool, so it's not guaranteed to pass greylisting. [11:23] One for lunchtime reading: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2035651/open-source-is-taking-over-the-software-world-survey-says.html :-D Some of us knew this already... [11:23] I've fired off an email to them [11:25] SuperMatt, so they don't understand email then? [11:33] clearly not! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:55] OT | Rick shared an interesting App .. a c ouple of days ago | http://bit.ly/Gubuntucat === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:10] I've just found the weirdest bug [13:10] typing the letter n into my launcher is entering an invisible character [13:13] SuperMatt .. Check the CapLock, Alt, Tab, SuperKey and Tilda key are not active. [13:14] logging out and back in again fixd it [13:54] whats happenin kids [14:05] Tired and I want to go to bed [14:06] i had a little drink about an hour ago [14:07] And it's gone straight to my head [14:08] dum dum dum dum dum dum JAWSS [14:12] * bigcalm ponders a nap [14:12] +1 for working from home [14:12] there's a violent hailstorm outside [14:13] Just grey here [14:14] cloudy/sunny spells here. [14:16] I should get my dyepot inside, it's probably cooled enough [14:18] Myrtti: I read that as despot I was wondering which dictator was outside yours :) [14:18] polpot [14:19] mungbean: close, but not quite https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/6P5rcuWAirW [14:20] davmor2: car booked in with Halfords for Monday lunchtime. They were quite apologetic [14:22] bigcalm: nice [14:23] this server room has stalactites [14:23] http://ubuntuone.com/2VMi3eSP8zKjAwZ9vA4p00 [14:23] Oh my [14:23] That doesn't look healthy [14:24] i wanted to touch one but they also stored radioactive material in there so i didn't. looked like crumbly limestone on the floor of the room. checkmate atheists [14:24] from the stalacmites that got stamped on [14:26] it's going to be such a lovely green yarn [14:26] my wife is knitting me a jumper in sirdar chunky === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:51] * xnox giggles at searching for "aa" and finding a manpage: [14:51] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/quantal/en/man1/aa.1.html [14:53] http://youtu.be/tj7al6MXu7U - can I borrow your iphone? [15:02] * bigcalm drums his fingers, waiting for chapter 2 to come out for Kentucky Route Zero [15:11] xnox: brilliant, I've learnt a new command today! [15:11] the AA team! [15:18] xnox: invalid option error: team is an unknown option use AA --help for assistance :D [15:22] sucks. bug 1140716 [15:22] bug 1140716 in linux-lts-quantal (Ubuntu Precise) "[regression] 3.5.0-26-generic and 3.2.0-39-generic GPU hangs on Sandybridge" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1140716 [15:22] upgraded to 3.5 kernel because that was suggested === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:22] now the fix is in 3.2.x proposed [15:24] oh, looks like proposed fix aint working for some [15:40] anyone have suggestions on where would be good to buy 100 x samsung galaxy note 2 [15:40] how many? [15:40] *squint* [15:40] yes [15:40] nice. [15:40] about a hundred or so [15:41] call your local Samsung representative ;) [15:41] tablet not phone [15:42] mungbean: still, a Samsung salesperson would probably be HAPPY to help :) [15:42] yeah, 100 is "talk to manufacturer" numbers [15:42] since you're talking lots of money [15:43] don't bother trying an etailer like expansys. they'll dick you. [16:06] is it possible to have multiple workspaces enabled, without having the button? [16:06] mungbean: If you are a company - you will probably need to talk to a distributor (a box shifter that supplies the likes of expansys et al). [16:15] SuperMatt: which button? [16:16] on the launcher [16:17] ah! forgot about that. I've no idea [16:18] CTL+ALT+Arrow Keys is what I use all the time. the whole launcher thing and stuff is just way too slow. [16:25] I know about the keys, but the button clutters my launcher. If I turn the button off though, I lose the ability to switch workspaces altogether [16:27] orly - I didn't realise that! [16:27] I think so [16:27] lemme test [16:28] yeah, these only a tick box for enable workspaces === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [17:38] SuperMatt: The Design Team wants it to be like that [17:38] SuperMatt: Workspaces are of the devil! [17:38] SuperMatt: like normal scroll bars, and menu bars [17:39] MartijnVdS: 'el diablo' ? I thought you were an Angel ? [17:39] Lil-|^Red: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E28WrhpTzQA [17:40] ha ha .. [17:42] http://identi.ca/notice/100659276 !Linux 3.4.41 !Kernel has been released http://www.kernel.org/ [17:43] identi.ca still exists?! [17:43] no its pump.io now. [17:44] MartijnVdS: yeah I had hoped it would have died years ago [17:45] Yep. This does though ... https://diasp.eu/tags/ubuntu [17:45] oh yeah, that's the other social media service nobody remembers unless someone mentions it [17:45] good posters /etc.... [17:46] that's what I call it atleast "the whassit, the service nobody remembers..." [17:46] .. mm .. how rude. [17:47] no not really, I think it's a representative name for it atleast among my acquaintances [17:48] acquaintaines / association / bros .. why not just call them friends ? https://launchpad.net/friends [17:48] it's a bit like the game (which both you and I have now lost) [17:48] I hate gwibber with a passion [17:48] what about W8 ? [17:49] the fruit juice? [17:49] oh dear.. [17:49] yes, that. [17:50] Yeah .. I like to hate things .. just not when you try to 'change' people . that's narcistic .. like telling ppl what to eat etc.. [17:50] I know this java guy who never wore shoes .. [17:50] Myrtti: i ended up not bothering to login to identi.ca and diaspora when people remind me they exist, because when I did, there was nothing there worth seeing [17:51] Myrtti: i guess how some facebookers see G+ ? [17:51] popey: I suppose [17:51] That's how I see Facebook [17:51] same here now ☻ [17:51] but yeah, your experience matches with mine, apart from the fact that I rile myself up to be proper angry when I did have a look into identica [17:51] Everytime I mentioned I was going to the fridge he said .. If it's not full freshh cream and not pasteurised.. then I am not talking to you .. I left. [17:52] leaves. [17:53] it's me isn't it? [17:53] as soon as I say something he says /me leaves and quits [17:53] or am I being paranoid? [17:57] if I install Apache on a system which is already running nginx, will this cause a problem? what I really mean is, will nginx continue to be responsible for port 80/443 and keep working? [18:00] marsilainen: apache will fail to start on install [18:00] popey: I suppose it's possible, perhaps you should have a similar script to his to put random stuff on the channel? :-P [18:01] if nginx is up [18:01] but when you restart the system there's the possibility apache will start before nginx === JethroTroll is now known as GentileBen [19:12] hi folks. [19:14] was having a real pain in the butt with my drive boot setup. trying to configure the n40L to work with not /dev/sda as theboot disk [19:15] i set the bios to use sdc for now (i've not loaded the bios mod to get sde working) so i have 2x1TB disks in sda and sdb, and the os drive is sdc, [19:16] sda1 is flagg'ed boot, and i ran grub-install /dev/sdc successfully. but.. [19:17] Ooh, raring's friends update has brought twitter back [19:17] when i just boot it up,, i just get a blinking cursor.. no messages at all. [19:20] manlab \o/ [19:36] flagging boot doesn't do anything. it's a pointless holdover from CPM or somesuch [19:44] popey: ok, thanks for the info [19:46] I want to move from nginx -> Apache, but just figuring out the way that's going to cause the least downtime for my users [19:47] marsilainen: run them in parallel [19:47] hmm, most folk go the other way :) any reason for that? [19:47] with apache on port 8000 for testing for example [19:47] then flip the switch at a quiet time [19:47] and swap the ports over [19:47] (is what I'd do) === indigoglow_ is now known as indigoglow [20:28] popey: yeah, I think that's a good idea [20:28] thats what i did when i migrated from apache to lighttpd [20:28] makes sense [20:28] so I guess I'm ok to install Apache on the running ngnix server and then just configure it to use 8000 [20:29] yes [20:29] cool, thanks for the help [20:29] you'll get an error on install [20:29] because it will try to start [20:29] sure, that's no problem [20:29] np [20:30] on another note, I'm quite impressed by Linode [20:31] getting quite a lot of power for the price [20:31] ʘ‿ಠ [20:31] http://blog.linode.com/2013/04/16/security-incident-update/ [20:31] seems better value than what I had on Bytemark [20:33] yeah, that doesn't sound great... [20:34] I knew that they had done a password reset, but wasn't aware of the full extent of the circumstances [20:35] * MartijnVdS is on Bytemark's new platform now [20:38] the linode issue makes me uneasy, because they said it was restricted to a single customer when they did the password reset. we only got more details because the intruder started bragging [20:38] what worries me is that a lot of people are probably leaving Linode, and they're apparently quite a nice, friendly company [20:39] it's a shame being nice isn't enough to keep the data secure [20:39] they are, but being upfront goes a whole long way in this business [20:39] indeed [20:39] $proverbial happens. but keeping it to yourself isn't fantastic for customers [20:42] oh man I wish my dye pot wouldn't stink so bad [20:43] heh, I know the feeling. fermenting anything has turned into a bad idea now that I've moved into a much smaller place [20:45] red onion skins and alum doesn't have a sweet smell I can tell you that [20:48] saurkraut has much the same problem. I simply can't do it in this flat [20:50] * popey pokes bigcalm [20:54] slightly more on-topic, anyone intimate with openstack? I've moved from the livecd in a VM, to devstack in a VM. but I'm running into two issues, probably related. one is that kvm-ok tells me to load kvm_intel, but modprobe kvm_intel complains it doesn't exist. the other is that VMs are being run with -no-kvm, which is turning my laptop into a spaceheater [20:55] does your laptop support VMX? [20:55] what CPU is it? [20:55] it does, and I'm passing that to the VM too [20:55] oh, you're in a VM [20:55] does that even work? [20:55] you can nest now [20:55] in vmware, yes. in vbox, no [20:55] neat [20:55] in kvm, sometimes [20:57] the VM is running in vmware, because I'm on a mac, and I've found installing multiple hypervisors makes for mysterious explosions [20:58] but kvm-ok reports INFO: /dev/kvm exists (newline) KVM acceleration can be used [21:00] but if I launch an instance, I'm seeing qemu-system-x86_64 with the -no-kvm option, and constantly at 99.something% cpu [21:00] well, it will [21:00] with -no-kvm [21:00] modinfo kvm-intel [21:00] does that show the module? [21:01] my understanding is that if kvm-ok says I'm happy, I shouldn't have -no-kvm, vt-x should be used, and all will be happy [21:01] surely not if you specifically say -no-kvm [21:01] it does, as /lib/modules/3.5.0-27-lowlatency/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko [21:02] and cat /proc/cpuinfo shows the vmx flag? [21:02] that's the question .. where's -no-kvm coming from [21:02] yes, vme & vmx [21:02] evening all [21:02] hello [21:02] (not sure what the physical cpu is, it's a year-old mac) [21:03] * AlanBell is in Wales [21:03] por quoi? [21:03] customer visit, just had yummy steak with them :) [21:04] a personal irony, I consider myself travelled. I've lived in england/scotland/ireland, the states, etc. I've not spent so much as 2 seconds in Wales, unless the M6 grazes it [21:08] quite annoyed that this is beating me. I have to launch a small environment at work, a virtual lab comprising 4 physical servers. and I'm having a terrible time trying to figure out if there's any linux-based stack that'd be preferable to vmware's [21:09] I really don't want vmware because they want windows for anything more than basic interaction. and while I really don't have a beef against windows, it tends to make me look stupid because I'm entirely unfamiliar with it [21:15] i use windows as vsphere os [21:15] nothing more [21:16] that's what I'm trying to avoid. because I need to script creation/snapshot/destruction. and I honestly have no idea how you'd do that anymore [21:17] just started looking at openstack last week but there is no official ref guide [21:17] which means i resort to fora and blogs = bad [21:18] yeah. a big problem I've run into it is that it tends to assume you're overly familiar with Amazon's methodology [21:19] so things are just described as "this here is parallel to that on AWS" [21:20] which is probably very intuitive if you're trying to bring an AWS stack in-house. but we're not allowed to touch amazon. our projects must be born, live, and die in-house [21:20] yeah [21:21] which all sends the not mature yet message [21:21] well, this build is for a lab, it doesn't need to be mature [21:23] I just need (Real world)<-->(VM'd firewall)<-->(Appliance)<-->(physical switch). where I need to be able to deploy new or snapshot versions of the firewall & appliance from a cozy web frontend [21:23] spacewalk /kvm? [21:25] most my complication is that we need to be able to add dhcp server, dns server, smtp server between the appliance and the firewall, and I need something that will allow packet capture on the virtual networks (both sides of the appliance) [21:27] basically just different environments the appliance could be deployed in, so we can replicate a basic version the customer and packet-capture our way to glory [21:29] openstack+juju or openstack+chef/puppet is looking fantastic for being able to create random services on the internal network. but I don't have hardware yet, and it's not playing well with my laptop :/ [21:38] recently had a customer who had a DNS server with a whitelist of what IPs it was allowed to outbound to. that's the kinda crazy I need to be able to build on demand [21:55] grep -ri no-kvm . [21:55] grep: memory exhausted [21:55] never seen that before :) [23:48] upsetting.. i'm on GBit switch, only getting 170-200KB/s transfer with ssh/scp? [23:50] oh well, bedtime.