[00:27] <Lil-|^Red> !anyone
[00:33] <Myrtti> if you tried, I'm sure you could be a little bit more consistent
[00:38] <Lil-|^Red> Myrtti: Thanks for the heads-up .. just watching Jono and reading the newsletter tonight .. To be Frank .. my choice of IRC Client is the problem/inconsistent-ness.
[00:38] <Lil-|^Red> but chances of getting that solved is like asking a farmer what milk I should drink so I don't get fat off the land.
[00:39] <Lil-|^Red> ... tonight, here anyway.
[07:06] <MooDoo> helo all
[07:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> mornign earthlings
[07:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> or morning even ;-)
[07:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> keyboard dylsexia
[07:09] <MooDoo> lol
[07:55] <popey> pip pip
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning popey
[08:24] <JamesTait> CQ, CQ, CQ - Happy Amateur Radio Day, over!
[08:26] <SuperMatt> 10 four good buddy
[08:26] <JamesTait> :D
[08:35] <popey> What's our vector Victor?
[08:35] <popey> Clearance Clarence!
[08:35] <popey> Roger, Roger.
[08:49] <marsilainen> is there a way to generate German umlauted characters from an English keyboard layout? (eg. via Alt-Gr somehow)
[08:49] <marsilainen> I use the characters rarely, but annoying to have to bring up a character map when I do need them
[08:50] <marsilainen> I wouldn't want to switch my whole keyboard layout to German as I just need an occasional character
[08:50] <marsilainen> (eg. for someone's name)
[08:52] <Laney> marsilainen: It'd probably be best if you enable the compose key
[08:53] <Laney> System Settings → Keyboard → Layout Settings → Options → Compose key position
[08:54] <marsilainen> Laney: ok, thanks - I'll look into how to use that
[08:54] <Laney> it'll take over whatever key you pick there (I have mine as çäps łóčĸ)
[08:54] <Laney> then you press <compose>"a to get ä
[08:54] <marsilainen> ah, great - thanks
[08:55] <marsilainen> thanks, seems to work fine
[08:56] <Laney> try <compose>:) ;-)
[08:56] <marsilainen> ☺
[08:56] <popey> ☻
[08:56] <Laney> 1337
[09:00] <AlanBell> that is pretty cool
[09:01] <Laney> I had cccp set up to give a hammer and sickle once but I forgot how to do it and lost the configuration :(
[09:04] <popey>  /completion -auto "cccp" ☭
[09:04] <popey> should do it
[09:04] <popey> ☭
[09:04] <popey> yup
[09:05] <Laney> oh irssi, I was talking about compose in general
[09:06] <popey> oh
[09:06] <Myrtti> it also kinda depends if you've got dead keys enabled or not
[09:07] <Laney> I think you make a ~/.XCompose file
[09:12] <marsilainen> it's not a character I often need TBH :p
[09:17]  * bigcalm spins about on his office chair
[09:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:19] <popey> hah
[09:23] <bigcalm> Can you guess why the spinning? :D
[09:27] <JamesTait> bigcalm, because you can?
[09:27] <bigcalm> popey: when you connection went to 60mb, did your upstream stay the same around 3mb?
[09:27] <bigcalm> JamesTait: that is always a good reason to do so
[09:28] <popey> yes bigcalm
[09:28] <bigcalm> popey: ah, that's fair enough then
[09:30] <popey> just speedtested it
[09:31] <popey> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653523287.png
[09:33] <bigcalm> Mine from this morning http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653502098.png
[09:34] <Laney> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653528483.png
[09:34] <kvarley> Just compressed a accdb file 11.6MB into a zip and the zip is 825.2KB, can this be right?
[09:34] <bigcalm> I wrote a script to download soundcloud playlists which I run now and then on a podcast. Glancing at the output of wget made me double take. 7.5mb/s, that can't be right... :)
[09:35] <bigcalm> Laney: SDSL?
[09:35] <popey> Laney is in Denmark?
[09:35] <Laney> 2wtf
[09:35] <Laney> speedtest cocked that one up
[09:35] <kvarley> bigcalm: I'm rocking my 450kb/s connection
[09:36] <bigcalm> heh
[09:36] <kvarley> ADSL ftl
[09:36] <Laney> I still had it in my browser showing my results
[09:36] <Laney> refresh → some danish one
[09:37] <Laney> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2653534608.png
[09:39] <popey> get you
[09:39] <Laney> I get (relatively) shit speeds on wireless though
[09:40] <popey> bummer
[09:40] <brobostigon> [A
[09:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:40] <bigcalm> I'm in for a really poopy day. Yet seeing my connection has been upped, not so poopy
[09:40] <bigcalm> Morning brobostigon
[09:40] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:41] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:41] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:01] <bigcalm> Wind just blew my window shut - that's enough fresh air for you, back to work!
[10:01] <popey> sunny!
[10:02] <bigcalm> And here
[10:02] <bigcalm> I can't see any blue sky, but the sun still shines
[10:02] <MooDoo> here too
[10:02] <bigcalm> What's the plural of axis?
[10:03] <MooDoo> same
[10:03] <bigcalm> Ah, Wiktionary says axes
[10:03] <MooDoo> sorry meant it's aces
[10:03] <MooDoo> axes
[10:03] <MooDoo> rats I can't type
[10:03] <bigcalm> :)
[10:20] <meet> a quick query. in ifconfig i am getting different hwaddr for eth0 and wan0 . should not they be the same
[10:21] <bigcalm> meet: no, they are two separate network devices, just happen to be in the same system
[10:21] <bigcalm> If they had the same hardware address, you couldn't use them individually
[10:22] <meet> bigcalm: but hwaddr is the mac address .. right?
[10:22] <bigcalm> Yes
[10:22] <meet> then my device has 2 mac addresses?
[10:22] <meet> dell laptop
[10:23] <directhex> meet, at least
[10:23] <bigcalm> eth0 is the wired port, wan0 is the wifi connection
[10:23] <bigcalm> directhex: we
[10:23] <directhex> MAC addresses are found on wired networks, wireless networks, bluetooth, and TV cards
[10:23] <bigcalm> Ah, least not last
[10:23] <meet> does that mean i have 2 NIC?
[10:23]  * bigcalm goes back to his cave
[10:23] <bigcalm> Yes
[10:24] <directhex> meet, yes
[10:24] <meet> ok.. one for wifi and other for wired.. that way .. right?
[10:24] <directhex> meet, yeah. typically an intel centrino wireless, and some cheap ethernet chip (maybe realtek)
[10:25] <meet> directhex: so on a desktop or an old pc.. both the hwaddr will be same presumably?
[10:25] <directhex> meet, on a desktop or an old pc, you wouldn't have a wan0 device
[10:26] <meet> oh.. ya right :)
[10:26] <directhex> meet, you get one device listed in ifconfig per network device. many desktops have more than one wired connection. so eth0, eth1, eth2...
[10:26] <bigcalm> directhex: I was quite surprised that my Alienware X51 desktop has wifi
[10:26] <meet> ok.. and hwaddr=hardware address?
[10:27] <bigcalm> meet: yes
[10:27] <directhex> and virtual network devices (if you use virtualization software like virtualbox) gets a fake MAC too
[10:27] <directhex> meet, yes
[10:27] <meet> thanks a lot bigcalm and directhex :)
[10:27] <directhex> directhex@desire:~$ ifconfig | grep HWaddr
[10:27] <directhex> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:24:1d:12:05:4d
[10:27] <directhex> eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:24:1d:12:05:4f
[10:27] <directhex> virbr0    Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 1e:9a:9e:ef:5d:1c
[10:27] <directhex> meet, oh, one more thing that might interest you
[10:27] <meet> ya?
[10:28] <directhex> meet, the first 6 digits of the MAC address are supposedly unique to a device manufacturer. so you can identify the network card brand from the MAC
[10:28] <directhex> e.g. with my example above
[10:28] <directhex> http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/?string=00%3A24%3A1d
[10:28] <meet> hm.. nice .. :)
[10:28] <directhex> 00:24:1d is gigabyte. and i have a gigabyte motherboard
[10:32] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:36] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: Alex wasn't at the lug last night and I forgot to mention about today. I'm guessing he hasn't gone
[10:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: you can probably ask him on wolveslug (which almost certainly means he is home)
[10:51] <Myrtti> I wonder should I outdo a friend who recently met RMS by meeting an actual freedom fighter who flies around the world meeting and talking to people
[10:51] <Myrtti> *ponder*
[10:52] <bigcalm> Superman?
[10:52] <davmor2> Captain America?
[10:52] <bigcalm> He doesn't fly
[10:52] <Myrtti> then again I think the speeches are already prebooked to other people
[10:52] <Myrtti> uni students and like
[10:53] <Myrtti> Dalai Lama
[10:53] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/108551811075711499995/posts/5BzQZ6pDVb4
[10:53] <bigcalm> Nice
[10:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: so you finally joined the 21 century then
[10:59] <bigcalm> davmor2: my taste in music has yet to do so
[10:59] <bigcalm> davmor2: but yes, it was a nice surprise this morning
[11:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: musically I think we are both back in the 80's and 90's
[11:02] <bigcalm> Speaking of which, I'm on the phone to Halfords to try and get my DAB problem fixed
[11:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: what issue is that
[11:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: the stork controls aren't working as advertised. 1) I can't access the system menu, 2) changing station only works buy going up the list
[11:04] <Myrtti> aw, gord isn't here
[11:04] <popey> indeed, wanted to wish him HB earlier
[11:04]  * popey opens skype
[11:04] <bigcalm> If I'm on Absolute 90s and want to go to Absolute 80s, I have to go though all 60ish stations
[11:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: ouch
[11:06] <bigcalm> Yeah, bit miffed
[11:06] <bigcalm> I sent a support request to the AutoDAB manufacturer, but haven't had a response
[11:06] <SuperMatt> a lot of digital radios seem to be content with just backwards and forward buttons
[11:06] <SuperMatt> there's too many channels for that!
[11:06] <SuperMatt> it was ok when we only had 5 tv channels, but I think it's time to move on
[11:07] <bigcalm> Indeed, this unit does allow for 7 preset stations. But I can't access the system menu to set any
[11:08] <bigcalm> Paid a fair bit for the unit and for Halfords to fit it. Glad I did, it's their problem to fix :)
[11:08] <bigcalm> Oddly, I found that listening to Kerrang was clearer on FM than it was via DAB
[11:09] <SuperMatt> well the thing is, digial radio isn't so hot in cars. It doesn't deal with movement very well
[11:10] <bigcalm> True
[11:10] <SuperMatt> when you're in a good spot, of course the sound is better, but start moving and it starts to degrade *quickly*
[11:12]  * bigcalm ponders where to slither off to for lunch
[11:12] <SuperMatt> I'm going to itsu
[11:12] <SuperMatt> in about 15 minutes
[11:13] <bigcalm> tisu?
[11:13] <bigcalm> itsu?
[11:13] <popey> wise!
[11:13] <SuperMatt> the only problem with itsu is that it's quite close to mcdonalds
[11:13]  * popey goes to get something nommy for lunch
[11:13]  * popey ponders what though
[11:13] <SuperMatt> in fact, I have to cross and extra road to get to itsu
[11:14] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: McDonald's it is then
[11:14]  * TheOpenSourcerer feels a wander into town coming on. Visit to the bank to deposit a cheque (why do customers still pay with cheques?)
[11:14] <funkyHat> The *only* problem with itsu?
[11:14] <funkyHat> Actually there is an itsu right outside here
[11:14] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: so that they get to hang on to their money for a little bit longer
[11:14] <funkyHat> And a Pret, and an Eat
[11:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Maybe bigcalm but the customers who pay us with cheques always pay well before the due date...
[11:15] <bigcalm> Wow, their website is majorly messed up in chromium
[11:16] <funkyHat> I have clients who pay by cheque, I think they are scared of technology and used to cheques
[11:22]  * SuperMatt shakes a fist at a "mail provider" called mailgun
[11:23] <SuperMatt> they only retry sending an email once, and that's from a random mail server in their pool, so it's not guaranteed to pass greylisting.
[11:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> One for lunchtime reading: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2035651/open-source-is-taking-over-the-software-world-survey-says.html :-D Some of us knew this already...
[11:23] <SuperMatt> I've fired off an email to them
[11:25] <directhex> SuperMatt, so they don't understand email then?
[11:33] <SuperMatt> clearly not!
[12:55] <Lil-|^Red> OT | Rick shared an interesting App .. a c ouple of days ago | http://bit.ly/Gubuntucat
[13:10] <SuperMatt> I've just found the weirdest bug
[13:10] <SuperMatt> typing the letter n into my launcher is entering an invisible character
[13:13] <Lil-|^Red> SuperMatt .. Check the CapLock, Alt, Tab, SuperKey and Tilda key are not active.
[13:14] <SuperMatt> logging out and back in again fixd it
[13:54] <mungbean> whats happenin kids
[14:05] <bigcalm> Tired and I want to go to bed
[14:06] <Laney> i had a little drink about an hour ago
[14:07] <bigcalm> And it's gone straight to my head
[14:08] <mungbean> dum dum dum dum dum dum JAWSS
[14:12]  * bigcalm ponders a nap
[14:12] <bigcalm> +1 for working from home
[14:12] <mungbean> there's a violent hailstorm outside
[14:13] <bigcalm> Just grey here
[14:14] <brobostigon> cloudy/sunny spells here.
[14:16] <Myrtti> I should get my dyepot inside, it's probably cooled enough
[14:18] <davmor2> Myrtti: I read that as despot I was wondering which dictator was outside yours :)
[14:18] <mungbean> polpot
[14:19] <Myrtti> mungbean: close, but not quite https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/6P5rcuWAirW
[14:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: car booked in with Halfords for Monday lunchtime. They were quite apologetic
[14:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: nice
[14:23] <mungbean> this server room has stalactites
[14:23] <mungbean> http://ubuntuone.com/2VMi3eSP8zKjAwZ9vA4p00
[14:23] <bigcalm> Oh my
[14:23] <bigcalm> That doesn't look healthy
[14:24] <mungbean> i wanted to touch one but they also stored radioactive material in there so i didn't. looked like crumbly limestone on the floor of the room. checkmate atheists
[14:24] <mungbean> from the stalacmites that got stamped on
[14:26] <Myrtti> it's going to be such a lovely green yarn
[14:26] <mungbean> my wife is knitting me a jumper in sirdar chunky
[14:51]  * xnox giggles at searching for "aa" and finding a manpage:
[14:51] <xnox> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/quantal/en/man1/aa.1.html
[14:53] <MooDoo> http://youtu.be/tj7al6MXu7U - can I borrow your iphone?
[15:02]  * bigcalm drums his fingers, waiting for chapter 2 to come out for Kentucky Route Zero
[15:11] <brunogirin> xnox: brilliant, I've learnt a new command today!
[15:11] <xnox> the AA team!
[15:18] <davmor2> xnox: invalid option error: team is an unknown option use AA --help for assistance :D
[15:22] <mungbean> sucks. bug 1140716
[15:22] <mungbean> upgraded to 3.5 kernel because that was suggested
[15:22] <mungbean> now the fix is in 3.2.x proposed
[15:24] <mungbean> oh, looks like proposed fix aint working for some
[15:40] <mungbean> anyone have suggestions on where would be good to buy 100 x samsung galaxy note 2
[15:40] <Myrtti> how many?
[15:40] <Myrtti> *squint*
[15:40] <mungbean> yes
[15:40] <Myrtti> nice.
[15:40] <mungbean> about a hundred or so
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> call your local Samsung representative ;)
[15:41] <mungbean> tablet not phone
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: still, a Samsung salesperson would probably be HAPPY to help :)
[15:42] <directhex> yeah, 100 is "talk to manufacturer" numbers
[15:42] <directhex> since you're talking lots of money
[15:43] <directhex> don't bother trying an etailer like expansys. they'll dick you.
[16:06] <SuperMatt> is it possible to have multiple workspaces enabled, without having the button?
[16:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> mungbean: If you are a company - you will probably need to talk to a distributor (a box shifter that supplies the likes of expansys et al).
[16:15] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: which button?
[16:16] <SuperMatt> on the launcher
[16:17] <BigRedS> ah! forgot about that. I've no idea
[16:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> CTL+ALT+Arrow Keys is what I use all the time. the whole launcher thing and stuff is just way too slow.
[16:25] <SuperMatt> I know about the keys, but the button clutters my launcher. If I turn the button off though, I lose the ability to switch workspaces altogether
[16:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> orly - I didn't realise that!
[16:27] <SuperMatt> I think so
[16:27] <SuperMatt> lemme test
[16:28] <SuperMatt> yeah, these only a tick box for enable workspaces
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: The Design Team wants it to be like that
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: Workspaces are of the devil!
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: like normal scroll bars, and menu bars
[17:39] <Lil-|^Red> MartijnVdS: 'el diablo' ? I thought you were an Angel ?
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> Lil-|^Red: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E28WrhpTzQA
[17:40] <Lil-|^Red> ha ha ..
[17:42] <Lil-|^Red> http://identi.ca/notice/100659276 !Linux 3.4.41 !Kernel has been released http://www.kernel.org/
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> identi.ca still exists?!
[17:43] <Lil-|^Red> no its pump.io now.
[17:44] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: yeah I had hoped it would have died years ago
[17:45] <Lil-|^Red> Yep. This does though ... https://diasp.eu/tags/ubuntu
[17:45] <Myrtti> oh yeah, that's the other social media service nobody remembers unless someone mentions it
[17:45] <Lil-|^Red> good posters /etc....
[17:46] <Myrtti> that's what I call it atleast "the whassit, the service nobody remembers..."
[17:46] <Lil-|^Red> .. mm .. how rude.
[17:47] <Myrtti> no not really, I think it's a representative name for it atleast among my acquaintances
[17:48] <Lil-|^Red> acquaintaines / association / bros .. why not just call them friends ?   https://launchpad.net/friends
[17:48] <Myrtti> it's a bit like the game (which both you and I have now lost)
[17:48] <Myrtti> I hate gwibber with a passion
[17:48] <Lil-|^Red> what about W8 ?
[17:49] <Myrtti> the fruit juice?
[17:49] <Lil-|^Red> oh dear..
[17:49] <Myrtti> yes, that.
[17:50] <Lil-|^Red> Yeah .. I like to hate things .. just not when you try to 'change' people . that's narcistic .. like telling ppl what to eat etc..
[17:50] <Lil-|^Red> I know this java guy who never wore shoes ..
[17:50] <popey> Myrtti: i ended up not bothering to login to identi.ca and diaspora when people remind me they exist, because when I did, there was nothing there worth seeing
[17:51] <popey> Myrtti: i guess how some facebookers see G+ ?
[17:51] <Myrtti> popey: I suppose
[17:51] <bigcalm> That's how I see Facebook
[17:51] <popey> same here now ☻
[17:51] <Myrtti> but yeah, your experience matches with mine, apart from the fact that I rile myself up to be proper angry when I did have a look into identica
[17:51] <Lil-|^Red> Everytime I mentioned I was going to the fridge he said .. If it's not full freshh cream and not pasteurised.. then I am not talking to you .. I left.
[17:52] <Lil-|^Red> leaves.
[17:53] <popey> it's me isn't it?
[17:53] <popey> as soon as I say something he says /me leaves and quits
[17:53] <popey> or am I being paranoid?
[17:57] <marsilainen> if I install Apache on a system which is already running nginx, will this cause a problem? what I really mean is, will nginx continue to be responsible for port 80/443 and keep working?
[18:00] <popey> marsilainen: apache will fail to start on install
[18:00] <Myrtti> popey: I suppose it's possible, perhaps you should have a similar script to his to put random stuff on the channel? :-P
[18:01] <popey> if nginx is up
[18:01] <popey> but when you restart the system there's the possibility apache will start before nginx
[19:12] <NET||abuse> hi folks.
[19:14] <NET||abuse> was having a real pain in the butt with my drive boot setup. trying to configure the n40L to work with not /dev/sda as theboot disk
[19:15] <NET||abuse> i set the bios to use sdc for now (i've not loaded the bios mod to get sde working) so i have 2x1TB disks in sda and sdb, and the os drive is sdc,
[19:16] <NET||abuse> sda1 is flagg'ed boot, and i ran grub-install /dev/sdc successfully. but..
[19:17] <DJones> Ooh, raring's friends update has brought twitter back
[19:17] <NET||abuse> when i just boot it up,, i just get a blinking cursor.. no messages at all.
[19:20] <mungbean> manlab \o/
[19:36] <directhex> flagging boot doesn't do anything. it's a pointless holdover from CPM or somesuch
[19:44] <marsilainen> popey: ok, thanks for the info
[19:46] <marsilainen> I want to move from nginx -> Apache, but just figuring out the way that's going to cause the least downtime for my users
[19:47] <popey> marsilainen: run them in parallel
[19:47] <mgdm> hmm, most folk go the other way :) any reason for that?
[19:47] <popey> with apache on port 8000 for testing for example
[19:47] <popey> then flip the switch at a quiet time
[19:47] <popey> and swap the ports over
[19:47] <popey> (is what I'd do)
[20:28] <marsilainen> popey: yeah, I think that's a good idea
[20:28] <popey> thats what i did when i migrated from apache to lighttpd
[20:28] <marsilainen> makes sense
[20:28] <marsilainen> so I guess I'm ok to install Apache on the running ngnix server and then just configure it to use 8000
[20:29] <popey> yes
[20:29] <marsilainen> cool, thanks for the help
[20:29] <popey> you'll get an error on install
[20:29] <popey> because it will try to start
[20:29] <marsilainen> sure, that's no problem
[20:29] <popey> np
[20:30] <marsilainen> on another note, I'm quite impressed by Linode
[20:31] <marsilainen> getting quite a lot of power for the price
[20:31] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[20:31] <popey> http://blog.linode.com/2013/04/16/security-incident-update/
[20:31] <marsilainen> seems better value than what I had on Bytemark
[20:33] <marsilainen> yeah, that doesn't sound great...
[20:34] <marsilainen> I knew that they had done a password reset, but wasn't aware of the full extent of the circumstances
[20:35]  * MartijnVdS is on Bytemark's new platform now
[20:38] <shauno> the linode issue makes me uneasy, because they said it was restricted to a single customer when they did the password reset.  we only got more details because the intruder started bragging
[20:38] <Myrtti> what worries me is that a lot of people are probably leaving Linode, and they're apparently quite a nice, friendly company
[20:39] <Myrtti> it's a shame being nice isn't enough to keep the data secure
[20:39] <shauno> they are, but being upfront goes a whole long way in this business
[20:39] <Myrtti> indeed
[20:39] <shauno> $proverbial happens.  but keeping it to yourself isn't fantastic for customers
[20:42] <Myrtti> oh man I wish my dye pot wouldn't stink so bad
[20:43] <shauno> heh, I know the feeling.  fermenting anything has turned into a bad idea now that I've moved into a much smaller place
[20:45] <Myrtti> red onion skins and alum doesn't have a sweet smell I can tell you that
[20:48] <shauno> saurkraut has much the same problem.  I simply can't do it in this flat
[20:50]  * popey pokes bigcalm 
[20:54] <shauno> slightly more on-topic, anyone intimate with openstack?  I've moved from the livecd in a VM, to devstack in a VM.  but I'm running into two issues, probably related.  one is that kvm-ok tells me to load kvm_intel, but modprobe kvm_intel complains it doesn't exist.  the other is that VMs are being run with -no-kvm, which is turning my laptop into a spaceheater
[20:55] <popey> does your laptop support VMX?
[20:55] <popey> what CPU is it?
[20:55] <shauno> it does, and I'm passing that to the VM too
[20:55] <popey> oh, you're in a VM
[20:55] <popey> does that even work?
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> you can nest now
[20:55] <shauno> in vmware, yes.  in vbox, no
[20:55] <popey> neat
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> in kvm, sometimes
[20:57] <shauno> the VM is running in vmware, because I'm on a mac, and I've found installing multiple hypervisors makes for mysterious explosions
[20:58] <shauno> but kvm-ok reports  INFO: /dev/kvm exists  (newline) KVM acceleration can be used
[21:00] <shauno> but if I launch an instance, I'm seeing qemu-system-x86_64 with the -no-kvm option, and constantly at 99.something% cpu
[21:00] <popey> well, it will
[21:00] <popey> with -no-kvm
[21:00] <popey> modinfo kvm-intel
[21:00] <popey> does that show the module?
[21:01] <shauno> my understanding is that if kvm-ok says I'm happy, I shouldn't have -no-kvm, vt-x should be used, and all will be happy
[21:01] <popey> surely not if you specifically say -no-kvm
[21:01] <shauno> it does, as /lib/modules/3.5.0-27-lowlatency/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko
[21:02] <popey> and cat /proc/cpuinfo shows the vmx flag?
[21:02] <shauno> that's the question .. where's -no-kvm coming from
[21:02] <shauno> yes, vme & vmx
[21:02] <AlanBell> evening all
[21:02] <popey> hello
[21:02] <shauno> (not sure what the physical cpu is, it's a year-old mac)
[21:03]  * AlanBell is in Wales
[21:03] <shauno> por quoi?
[21:03] <AlanBell> customer visit, just had yummy steak with them :)
[21:04] <shauno> a personal irony, I consider myself travelled.  I've lived in england/scotland/ireland, the states, etc.  I've not spent so much as 2 seconds in Wales, unless the M6 grazes it
[21:08] <shauno> quite annoyed that this is beating me.  I have to launch a small environment at work, a virtual lab comprising 4 physical servers.  and I'm having a terrible time trying to figure out if there's any linux-based stack that'd be preferable to vmware's
[21:09] <shauno> I really don't want vmware because they want windows for anything more than basic interaction.  and while I really don't have a beef against windows, it tends to make me look stupid because I'm entirely unfamiliar with it
[21:15] <mungbean> i use windows as vsphere os
[21:15] <mungbean> nothing more
[21:16] <shauno> that's what I'm trying to avoid.  because I need to script creation/snapshot/destruction.  and I honestly have no idea how you'd do that anymore
[21:17] <mungbean> just started looking at openstack last week but there is no official ref guide
[21:17] <mungbean> which means i resort to fora and blogs = bad
[21:18] <shauno> yeah.  a big problem I've run into it is that it tends to assume you're overly familiar with Amazon's methodology
[21:19] <shauno> so things are just described as "this here is parallel to that on AWS"
[21:20] <shauno> which is probably very intuitive if you're trying to bring an AWS stack in-house.  but we're not allowed to touch amazon.  our projects must be born, live, and die in-house
[21:20] <mungbean> yeah
[21:21] <mungbean> which all sends the not mature yet message
[21:21] <shauno> well, this build is for a lab, it doesn't need to be mature
[21:23] <shauno> I just need (Real world)<-->(VM'd firewall)<-->(Appliance)<-->(physical switch).   where I need to be able to deploy new or snapshot versions of the firewall & appliance from a cozy web frontend
[21:23] <mungbean> spacewalk /kvm?
[21:25] <shauno> most my complication is that we need to be able to add dhcp server, dns server, smtp server between the appliance and the firewall, and I need something that will allow packet capture on the virtual networks (both sides of the appliance)
[21:27] <shauno> basically just different environments the appliance could be deployed in, so we can replicate a basic version the customer and packet-capture our way to glory
[21:29] <shauno> openstack+juju or openstack+chef/puppet is looking fantastic for being able to create random services on the internal network.  but I don't have hardware yet, and it's not playing well with my laptop :/
[21:38] <shauno> recently had a customer who had a DNS server with a whitelist of what IPs it was allowed to outbound to.  that's the kinda crazy I need to be able to build on demand
[21:55] <shauno>  grep -ri no-kvm .
[21:55] <shauno> grep: memory exhausted
[21:55] <shauno> never seen that before :)
[23:48] <NET||abuse> upsetting.. i'm on GBit switch, only getting 170-200KB/s transfer with ssh/scp?
[23:50] <NET||abuse> oh well, bedtime.