[08:11] <zequence> morning
[11:29] <smartboyhw> zequence: You started working on the S blueprints?
[11:35] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes. Sorry for all the mail
[11:36] <zequence> I should have subscribed teams last
[11:37] <smartboyhw> zequence: No worries, just asking:)
[11:45] <zequence> I'm also starting planning for 14.04
[11:49] <smartboyhw> zequence: Whoo hoo!
[11:51] <smartboyhw> zequence: One strange thing: We still don't have a codename for S.
[11:51] <zequence> smartboyhw: It will be decided around the release for 13.04
[11:51] <zequence> The names for the blueprints can be changed, so there's no worry
[11:51] <zequence> If needed..
[11:52] <smartboyhw> zequence: Em the Ubuntu Foundations Team are already feeling strange that the codename isn't out out.
[11:52] <smartboyhw> s/out out/out yet/
[11:52] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "zequence: Em the Ubuntu Foundations Team are already feeling strange that the codename isn't out yet."
[11:53] <smartboyhw> Clearly that might be a possible solution for sabdfl to start rolling by simply not naming S:P
[11:55] <zequence> Well, I can only plan for what I know. I would be surprised if they decided on a rolling release post 13.04, after all that has been said
[11:55] <zequence> I'm more leaning on that possibility after 14.04
[11:55] <smartboyhw> zequence: +1
[12:18] <smartboyhw> zequence: So the number of blueprints in S will be = to R?
[12:20] <zequence> smartboyhw: I haven't counted
[12:20] <zequence> The categories are a little different this time
[12:20] <smartboyhw> zequence: By how?
[12:20] <zequence> I'm focusing a bit more on the actual packages we have
[12:20] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:51] <DarkEra> i don't know what update caused it but on the 13.04 the fan of my videocard keeps spinning very high. Checking the temperature in nvidia-settings showed it starts with 70°C and went up to 78°C. The normal temperature should be between 66°C and 68°C
[14:52] <DarkEra> i removed the driver and switched back to nouveau but have the same result
[14:52] <holstein> DarkEra: try the older kernel
[14:53] <DarkEra> holstein, i did try that, same result
[14:53] <DarkEra> i'm back on 12.04 on my dual boot machine
[14:53] <DarkEra> could this be Xorg related?
[14:54] <holstein> DarkEra: its unreleased software.. could be anything
[14:54] <holstein> DarkEra: is the install still there?
[14:55] <DarkEra> i know, just trying to help with testing and solve the issue :)
[14:55] <DarkEra> what install, 13.04?
[14:55] <holstein> DarkEra: yes.. is the installation still there?
[14:55] <DarkEra> yes, i have it on another partition for testing
[14:56] <holstein> i would do a few things... one thing.. consider just waiting and upgrading again after asking about it in #ubuntu+1
[14:56] <holstein> another option.. force the vesa driver in a custom xorg.conf
[14:57] <holstein> also, boot the generic kernel ... using the generic kernel puts this upstream of ubuntustudio... meaning, if you are not booting our kernel, then this is not an ubuntustudio specific issue
[14:57] <holstein> that would be good, since i think it would be more likely to get attention
[14:57] <zequence> xserver got updated 8th of April. you can see the changes, by doing: apt-get changelog xserver-common
[14:58] <DarkEra> ok, i'll look into that later on the evening
[14:59] <zequence> DarkEra: Is this a laptop?
[14:59] <DarkEra> yes
[14:59] <holstein> could be hardware related
[14:59] <holstein> is it "acting" like that from other installs? or live CD's?
[14:59] <zequence> DarkEra: First thing I would do is make sure you don't have dust in your fan outtake. Open the back, blow through the fan outtake - even if it looks clean. 
[15:00] <zequence> DarkEra: Just make sure to open the back before you blow
[15:00] <DarkEra> 12.04 is working fine holstein, i'm on that now
[15:00] <zequence> holstein: We've had other reports saying newer releases make HW warmer
[15:00] <holstein> great... nvidia zequence ? or accross the board?
[15:01] <zequence> I do think however that the amount of increase is pretty steep, and would feel more comfortable in making it a real issue, if I was sure there wasn't dust involved
[15:01] <zequence> DarkEra: My
[15:01] <zequence> holstein: Seems to affect at least AMD and Nvidia so far
[15:01] <DarkEra> this problem occured after i pulled in the latest updates 30 minutes ago
[15:01] <holstein> zequence: it wont hurt to blow out some dust.. it can only be helpful
[15:01] <holstein> DarkEra: ^^
[15:01] <zequence> DarkEra: My experience of dust is that it makes a gigantic difference removing it
[15:02] <DarkEra> i'll be right back, wife needs me for a few minutes
[15:02] <holstein> it does.. i have had quite a few machines that would overheat to the point of failure.. blow them out, and they work again
[15:03] <zequence> Yeah. Like new from the factory
[15:03] <zequence> time to go home. bb in a couple of hours 
[15:03] <DarkEra> k
[15:04] <DarkEra> gonna have a look at the fan, bbl
[15:40] <smartboyhw_> Hello ttoine
[15:43] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: madeinkobaia made some merchandise art in the Ubuntu Studio Art bzr branch I think. 
[15:51] <smartboyhw_> Hey DarkEra, glad to see you joining the LP teams:)
[15:52] <DarkEra> thanks smartboyhw_  :)
[15:53] <DarkEra> i guess some people got a bit upset after you shared my wallpaper on G+... lol
[15:53] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: May I ask who?!
[15:53] <DarkEra> i guess the fuduntu peeps
[15:54] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Sorry there:(
[15:55] <DarkEra> all of the sudden i got my old hostmask/cloak back, they wanted to give me a fuduntu/member cloak first when i announced i would leave
[15:55] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, no worries
[15:55] <DarkEra> nothing has been said to me so it's all cool :)
[15:56] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: :)
[15:57] <DarkEra> bbl, food
[15:57] <ttoine> hello
[15:57] <DarkEra> hi there ttoine 
[15:58] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: Meet DarkEra!
[15:58] <ttoine> so, it is definitive: we have the right to create a spreadshirt shop. Both Canonical and Spreadshirt legal dpt agree
[15:58] <ttoine> hi DarkEra 
[15:58] <ttoine> nice to meet you
[15:58] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: Whoa
[15:58] <DarkEra> likewise ttoine :)
[15:58] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: DarkEra is a new contributor to Ubuntu Studio.
[15:59] <DarkEra> gonna have some food now, will be back soonish
[15:59] <smartboyhw_> He is actually originally a Fuduntu Team member
[15:59] <ttoine> was hard with canonical... I had to explain a lot of stuf, etc...
[15:59] <ttoine> but eventually, I did it!
[15:59]  * ttoine is very proud of that !!!
[15:59] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: Phew thanks!!!!!!!!!
[15:59] <dtchen> ttoine: nice!
[15:59] <ttoine> fubuntu ? what is fubuntu ?
[16:00] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: Fuduntu sorry;P
[16:00] <smartboyhw_> It is a Fedora clone with GNOME 2
[16:00] <ttoine> smartboyhw_, a link please ?
[16:00] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: Don't care about it, Fuduntu Linux will die in 30 Sep.
[16:00] <smartboyhw_> die = EOL
[16:02] <smartboyhw> Sorry I left.
[16:02] <smartboyhw> Stupid wi-fi on my GALAXY Pocket
[16:04] <smartboyhw> ttoine: You got the message about the merchandise artwork from madeinkobaia?
[16:05] <ttoine> no
[16:05] <ttoine> I was hoping to find it here
[16:05] <smartboyhw> ttoine: There isn't
[16:05] <ttoine> I was very busy at work
[16:05] <smartboyhw> ?
[16:06] <ttoine> to find him
[16:07] <smartboyhw> ttoine: Check out the artwork in ~ubuntustudio-art 's bzr branch
[16:21] <ttoine> smartboyhw_, could you give me the link ? i don't use bzr at the moment
[16:22] <smartboyhw_> ttoine… erm wait
[16:30] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/files
[16:30] <smartboyhw_> Not sure if it is FULLY completed though
[16:33] <ttoine> smartboyhw_, there is no directory for merchandise...
[16:33] <ttoine> I will try to spend more time on the chat
[16:33] <ttoine> and chat with him
[16:34] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: Try to do some e-mail conversation.
[16:45] <ttoine> smartboyhw_, ok
[16:59] <zequence> ttoine: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/files/head:/ON-AIR/
[17:09] <ttoine> zequence, thanks
[17:09] <ttoine> I just need the files without the shirts ;-)
[17:10] <zequence> ttoine: We're not printing any shirts yet
[17:10] <ttoine> ?
[17:10] <zequence> ttoine: We first need to make up the design
[17:11] <zequence> ttoine: This is still work in progress
[17:11] <ttoine> this is not t-shirt design ?
[17:11] <ttoine> ah ok
[17:11] <ttoine> bbl
[17:33] <DarkEra> good evening madeinkobaia :)
[17:34] <DarkEra> ttoine was here and said he'll be back later 
[17:34] <DarkEra> looks like you got a go for the wenbshop and shirts
[17:36] <zequence> madeinkobaia: You may have noticed that I put some blueprints up for 13.10 and 14.04
[17:38] <zequence> madeinkobaia: You are free to add to them. I'm thinking our main goal is 14.04, and 13.10 is more of a rehersal for that. Also, there's no pressure to be finished with anything for 13.10. 
[17:39]  * DarkEra is dreaming about 14.04 already
[17:39] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Since you work with art, maybe you have some knowledge about graphics applications? Would be nice if you could also have a look at our -graphics meta, to see if we are providing a good choice of apps, and if we have enough extras, like fonts, brushes, or anything like that.
[17:41] <zequence> madeinkobaia: About the meta, or the "workflow", I will prepare similar workitems for all workflows. But, I thought maybe you'd be suitable for taking care of graphics
[17:42] <zequence> If we can't get other people involved, we need to share the workload on doing the same for -audio, -video, -photography, and -puplishing as well
[17:42] <zequence> Some require more work than others
[17:49] <madeinkobaia> darkera : hello, thanks for the info, I contacted ttoine by mail.
[17:50] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Hi, no problems I will check all that : )
[17:51] <madeinkobaia> zequence : I added a working note for the webshop project, feel free to take a look on it.
[17:51] <zequence> I'll check it out
[17:54] <madeinkobaia> zequence : still for the webshop, I will put online on monday few propositions who will include your last remarks. I contacted ttoine and waiting his remarks too.
[20:40] <Len-nb> zequence, smartboyhw_ when is release day?
[21:03] <zequence> Len-nb: April 25th
[21:04] <zequence> RC should be out today
[21:07] <len-1304> Good, just reading it says Final freeze today.
[21:07] <len-1304> Testing tracker doesn't have an RC though
[21:10] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[21:11] <zequence> We also have our own, slimmed down version https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/DevelopmentReleaseSchedule
[21:12] <len-1304> The first one is really hard to read towards the end with orange on red.
[21:18] <len-1304> So should we expect a respin for RC? or will they just rename the daily.
[21:20] <zequence> I think the RC will pop up as soon as they're ready to build it
[21:20] <zequence> Haven't followed the QA procedure, so no idea how that works with RC
[21:20] <zequence> smartboyhw_: ^
[21:24] <DarkEra> i hope it isn't the current ubuntu iso they release as RC, i wanted to have a look but couldn't get the unity desktop loaded on the laptop with the nvidia graphics card. Compiz failed
[21:25] <DarkEra> works fine though on the netbook
[21:25] <DarkEra> intel card^
[21:26] <zequence> I'll probably get Intel graphic for my next machine
[21:27] <DarkEra> nice :)
[21:27] <zequence> Makes sense, since they write their own drivers, and they are FLOSS
[21:29] <DarkEra> throught the years i used linux i got the impression that intel and linux work really great with each other. I had a Packard Bell laptop before and never had any issues
[21:30] <DarkEra> most of the stuff was intel in there
[21:30] <DarkEra> too bad it died on me after 3 years
[21:31] <zequence> Intel is one of the main contributors to the Linux kernel, and my impression is that they will sometimes even add support for hardware not yet on the market
[21:31] <zequence> I would guess most of their work is in making drivers for their products
[21:31] <zequence> Or, add new features, as for their CPUs
[21:32]  * DarkEra takes a note.... when buying a desktop pc make sure Intel stuff is in there
[21:33] <zequence> AMD should work too, as from what I've understood, they are quite open and providing info so free drivers can be made
[21:33] <zequence> But, it's not perfect IMO
[21:33] <zequence> https://www.system76.com/
[21:34] <zequence> Most of it is Intel, but when you need top notch graphics, it's Nvidia
[21:34] <DarkEra> don't make me drool again.... i visit that site often
[21:34] <zequence> For a multimedia content creator, with no special need for extreme graphics, Intel should be fine
[21:34] <DarkEra> :D
[21:35] <DarkEra> yeah, think so too
[21:36] <zequence> They visited last physical UDS in Copenhagen. I was there. I think it was this one https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8
[21:36] <zequence> Pangolin Performance also has the same graphic chip
[21:36] <zequence> From the information I got from them, it's enough for graphics production
[21:36] <zequence> But, I'm not an expert
[21:37] <zequence> Fantastic colors
[21:37] <DarkEra> i want to have a chat with the guy from this 'shop' in the near future if his business continues: http://www.ubuntushop.be/index.php/ubuntu-desktop-computers.html
[21:37] <DarkEra> there's a pdf for download with more pc's they sell
[21:38] <zequence> He includes LCD screens, right?
[21:38] <zequence> The whole set, with keyboard, mouse, etc
[21:38] <DarkEra> that's indeed a nice laptop from system76
[21:38] <zequence> That considered, the price is not that bad
[21:38] <DarkEra> yeah, i guess he does
[21:39] <zequence> But, otherwise, the components are a bit out of date
[21:39] <DarkEra> but i think only with those two on the website
[21:39] <DarkEra> i have to look into the pdf to make sure
[21:41] <DarkEra> from what i can tell only the two on the website come with a monitor. The rest is keyboard and mouse only