[01:24] <zunds> ola
[01:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello
[01:27] <SonikkuAmerica> You're D3n4riu5 aren't you
[01:28] <zunds> yes SonikkuAmerica
[04:21] <whoo> when removing kernels that have accumulated. is it a good idea to reove and not completely remove the previous kernel ? Just in cae it needs to be reinstalled ?
[04:21] <whoo> remove*
[04:22] <whoo> csae*...
[04:22] <whoo> case...
[04:24] <whoo> Right now i still have 3.5.0-25 installed but have completely removed-17 -18 -19 -21 and -23. 3.5.0-27 is the current kernel
[04:25] <whoo> Should I just dump -25  ?
[04:28] <Unit193> It's recommended to keep current, and one backup you know works.
[04:33] <whoo> alright thanks...so I'll keep -25 then
[04:34] <whoo> Is it the kernel update that screws up when your system goes bad for no (apparent) reason then ?
[04:36] <whoo> Thanks for the tip.....later
[17:00] <dreamy_> hi ! could anyone please recomend me a good pc to be used with ubuntu studio  (so this means for music writing and production)
[17:01] <zequence> dreamy_: Depends on what you want to do
[17:01] <zequence> Ah, you said music production
[17:01] <dreamy_> zequence, i think its music production and or writing
[17:02] <dreamy_> recording
[17:02] <dreamy_> mixing
[17:02] <dreamy_> equalizing
[17:02] <dreamy_> everthing
[17:02] <dreamy_> soudn quality
[17:02] <zequence> Well, you don't really need that much. The faster the CPU, the more FX you can have
[17:02] <zequence> For audio quality, all you need is an ok audio device
[17:02] <dreamy_> zequence, m-audio?>
[17:02] <zequence> If you're going to use a lot of samples, like big libraries, you'll need RAM
[17:03] <zequence> 8 GB is more than enough for most people
[17:03] <zequence> dreamy_: USB, or PCI?
[17:03] <dreamy_> m audio is ok.. i know
[17:03] <zequence> M-Audio, depends on which one
[17:03] <dreamy_> zequence, usb or pci? like how?
[17:04] <zequence> There are usb devices, PCI devices, PCI-E devices and firewire devices
[17:04] <zequence> The simplest, and cheapest is PCI
[17:04] <dreamy_> zequence, ok, but what pc should i buy ?
[17:04] <zequence> M-Audio Delta series is quite good
[17:05] <dreamy_> could it be any ? with free slots?
[17:05] <zequence> dreamy_: Is it going to be a desktop PC?
[17:05] <dreamy_> yes indeed
[17:06] <zequence> I usually build mine from scratch. And get my parts under 400$
[17:06] <dreamy_> im not thinking of building a pc :(
[17:06] <zequence> For music production, what I think is the absolutely most important thing is a silent computer, unless you are planning on having it in another room
[17:07] <zequence> You can easily fix the CPU fan, by just buying a new one, and they are quite cheap, but the power supply is a different problem
[17:07] <zequence> This is why I buy it in parts
[17:07] <dreamy_> i was in love with fuzitsu , but i didnt liked much what was on theyr web page
[17:07] <dreamy_> no im thinking about "hp:
[17:08] <dreamy_> "hp" computer
[17:08] <zequence> The brand doesn't matter. Only the componenets
[17:08] <zequence> I would look for a silent computer, with a fairly good CPU. You don't need heavy graphics
[17:08] <dreamy_> zequence, yes , but that was if i where going to build a whole computer, but  i cant
[17:09] <zequence> As I said, the brand does not matter. The components do. No matter, if you are building it yourself or not
[17:09] <dreamy_> i understand
[17:09] <zequence> I would stay away from brands that are too custom, which make it difficult to change parts later
[17:09] <dreamy_> whats even better then m-audio?
[17:10] <zequence> All cards that work, and are meant for audio production are good
[17:11] <zequence> All cards have different features. You'd want to choose a card that has the features you need
[17:11] <zequence> Like mic amp, if you need that. Or instrument input, if that is important. If you need more than 2 channels, etc, etc
[17:12] <zequence> m-audio may not have the best mic amps. But, the difference between the cards of the same price range is very small
[17:13] <zequence> If you want better, it will cost a lot more
[17:13] <zequence> most people would not hear the difference anyway
[17:13] <zequence> Better to start small, with quality products that work
[17:14] <dreamy_> zequence, this question is a bit offtopic(about what we where chatting)  .. do you think machintosh are good for my purposes?
[17:15] <zequence> dreamy_: Are you talking about OSX, or just the machine
[17:15] <SunStar> NOT SUPPORTED (OFFICIALLY)
[17:15] <SunStar> oops
[17:16] <dreamy_> zequence, whatever the machine can do, it doesnt got open source applications :( , i like those
[17:16] <dreamy_> i like linux
[17:16] <zequence> dreamy_: There's a difference between the actual machine, and the OS. This is why I ask, are you talking about OSX, or just the machine?
[17:16] <zequence> It is possible to install Linux on it, you know
[17:17] <zequence> And this is the user channel for Ubuntu Studio, not OSX
[17:17] <dreamy_> i didnt know that, are you shure?
[17:17] <zequence> Yes, I'm very sure
[17:18] <dreamy_> and how is the actual machine?
[17:18] <zequence> I'm being very subjective, by saying, I wouldn't recommend anyone to buy a Macintosh
[17:18] <zequence> But, that's up to you
[17:18] <dreamy_> zequence, for what main reason, shouldnt it be bought?
[17:19] <zequence> The machine is more or less like any other PC or laptop, only you usually pay more for the same componenents
[17:19] <dreamy_> and its not expandable... i think so
[17:19] <SunStar> high price without garentee it'll take to studio. if it doesnt you gotta go the apple route which you can expect to cost you ~$3400 extra
[17:20] <dreamy_> but, considering that i dont have skills to build a pc, how could i buy a build one?
[17:20] <zequence> dreamy_: There are stores that build them for you
[17:20] <SunStar> ^
[17:21] <dreamy_> zequence, "hp" seems ok?
[17:21] <SunStar> gateway is better
[17:21] <SunStar> price / performance / quality. also asus and acer are good
[17:21] <zequence> Except they aren't silent, most probably
[17:22] <dreamy_> all those should bring some free slots...   .. to upgrade in the future..
[17:23] <zequence> dreamy_: What I would do is, I would go to a local quality store that builds custom PCs. Tell them what you want is: 1. silent Power supply (max 400-500W) 2. Good CPU and silent CPU fan 3. 8GB of RAM. and the rest should be cheap
[17:23] <SunStar> ^
[17:23] <zequence> dreamy_: If they give you a price of more than 400-500$, it's too much
[17:24] <DarkEra> to be honest.. i bought a mac in 2007 for music creation and ordered Logic express back then. Now the machine is sitting right here in a corner because 1. it can't be upgraded to the latest os X, 2 the screen shows vertical lines so it's broken, repairing it would cost me too much and 3.... I'm on linux anyway everyday. So a good advice would be to stay away from mac as far as possible dreamy_  and follow zequence his advice
[17:25] <zequence> dreamy_: If you want a monster CPU, it will cost more though. And you might want to stay away from AMD bulldozer, or anything else than AMD Phenom really. Intel should be at least i5. Preferably i7 with a nice Speed. But i7 costs more
[17:26] <DarkEra> i'm planning on getting myself a desktop pc in the near future myself, someone over here in Belgium has a 'web' shop and sells pc's/laptops with ubuntu or debian pre-installed. gonna have a talk with him when the time has come
[17:27] <zequence> dreamy_: Actually, maybe I'm not giving you good advice on the prices now. Say, max 500€. That's what I would look for anyway
[17:27] <dreamy_> zequence, you mentioned about "amd" . those processors are ok ?
[17:28] <SunStar> yup
[17:28] <dreamy_> quad core
[17:28] <zequence> AMD phenom is ok, and cheap. But Bulldozer is not really worth it, I think.
[17:29] <zequence> It performs badly, while eating lots of power
[17:29] <zequence> There's also Piledriver, which should be better
[17:29] <dreamy_> afterwars can i insert something like an m-audio trought an usb?
[17:30] <zequence> Sure, but make sure the usb card you get will actually work before you buy it
[17:30] <dreamy_> a midi card , wich im not shure what it is for
[17:30] <dreamy_> how do i know linux will have drivers for my hardware?
[17:31] <zequence> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/SupportedHardware
[17:31] <dreamy_> ok
[17:31] <zequence> http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=hardware_matrix
[17:31] <zequence> More or less all existing PCI cards you can find will work
[17:31] <zequence> USB is the most troublesome actually
[17:32] <zequence> firewire is less convienient on laptops, since few support firewire, but on desktops, firewire might be the best choice
[17:32] <zequence> aside from PCI
[17:32] <zequence> I have Focusrite Sapphire Pro 40
[17:33] <zequence> But, that's 8 channels, with mic amps. You might only need two
[17:33] <zequence> A firewire PCI-E card is cheap too
[17:33] <zequence> if your MB doesn't have it builtin
[18:43] <ellon> brasileiro ai?
[18:43] <ellon> preciso de ajuda com configurações de audio