[00:00] Yeah... http://xfce.org/projects [00:00] The "Core Components" section is what you want not to touch. [00:01] I am testing mint cinnamon on a HP dv9000 and it just seems to have too many small gltches [00:01] !mint [00:01] Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org [00:02] that is why I am investigating xubuntu [00:02] Oh. [00:02] By the way, random question: How do you pronounce Xubuntu? [00:03] no clue [00:03] I've heard Zoobuntu, Ecks-ubuntu and Ksubuntu... [00:04] SonikkuAmerica: I think they are all right (different languages/countries have different pronunciation rules) [00:04] I had this long argument with GridCube over it [00:05] anyway mint is just having X server problems on this lappy [00:05] Oi [00:05] So I am hoping that Xubuntu will be a bit better [00:06] It could be. What's your hardware look like? [ lspci ] [00:07] intel core duo 2 core 3gig ram nvidia GO 8600m intell chipset and networking [00:08] What's an nVidia GO? [00:09] one drive is an intelSSD x25' a 500ghitachi and a lightscribe DVD [00:09] mobile version of a 8600GS [00:10] Oh [00:10] want to put root on the SSD [00:10] and home,var,temp,and user on the 500 platter [00:13] Guest19: /user ? you mean /usr ? [00:14] yea [00:15] anything that would have a lot of writes on the platter drive [00:15] Guest19: /usr is not short for "user". it makes more sense to think of it as part of the system, like /etc, /bin, etc, that you would have on the SSD [00:16] also if I make the OS mad by my tinkkering I won't lose my settings during a re install [00:18] Guest19: I'd think you'd have the system on the SSD for performance reasons. blindlingly fast program starts. (I am not an expert, but ... "wear" on an SSD should not be a major concern these days, I think) [00:20] it is fast with mint right now, but the little glitches with it are making me look at xubuntu [00:22] with just / on the SSD and a few programs on a 40G drive there is alot ofextra space for wear leveling [00:22] Sooo, here is what I need to do --- I would like to have remote access to a computer on my home network... access from within the home network and access from my mobile/cellular internet. What do I need to install on on the -remote- computer and what do I need to install on the -controlling- computer. Also, with regards to the accessing the -remote- computer from outside my network... do I need a separate computer as a VPN server or an SSH server and if so, [00:22] what should I install? [00:23] I just need command line access ... not graphical [00:24] Dr-Dave, i would recommend you owncloud, or a mpd server, or even a samba server [00:24] Guest19: the drive does not know of the file system. wear leveling is taking place about the same if the file has plenty of free space or not. [00:27] Guest19: but if the filesystem is very full it may suffer fragmentation, which may reduce performance and increase wear on the drive [00:27] from my experience if you have a 2:1 ratio of free space to used or more [00:27] it better [00:28] GridCube -- I just need to have command line access to the -remote- computer. IE, for rebooting, update installations, shutting down etc... I'm not transfering files or anything. However, I need to do that when I'm on my network, and when I'm mobile or on a different network like the Library, a friends house or something. [00:28] so i'm using about 10g of a 40g drive [00:29] room enough for any trim or wear function [00:30] Guest19: you mean like 33% full (66% free)? that sounds little. (in my experience with rotating drives, fragmentation seems develop when over 90% full (10% free)) [00:32] nand doesn't work like that [00:32] it has to play with the whole block or nothing [00:33] got to let the cat out be back [00:36] Guest19: I know. wear leveling moves data around when a block is written. it does not matter how full the file system is. but fragmentation matters, because then data is written to more blocks. [00:38] Dr-Dave, oh then a ssh server its what you need [00:38] Guest19: will you be using a file system type that is designed for SSDs? [00:38] Dr-Dave, there is putty apps for symbian android an so on, to log in to the ssh servers [00:38] David-A: extN is not recommended for SSDs? [00:38] !ssh [00:38] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon) [00:39] GridCube == do I install SSH server on the --remote-- computer? [00:39] Dr-Dave, you install the server in the machine you want to control [00:39] and the clients in the clients that want to control the machine [00:40] David-A: right now it running with ext4 [00:41] GridCube -- OK, I'll give that a try. I'm assuming that Xubuntu does not have that SSH stuff installed. ==Back in the day== of Ubuntu 10.04LTS ... I was able to SSH in from a winDOHs box with putty without installing anything.... [00:41] David-A: that is why I want a large free to used ratio [00:42] David-A: run fstrim once a week or so and I see no speed loss [00:43] Dr-Dave, i dont remember if its there, i would read the help page i pasted you [00:45] GridCube -- I thank you, and I'll give this a try. I was kinda thinking the SSH goodies was already installed and was figuring there was some change somewhere along the way durring version changes. Thanks again. [00:45] Dr-Dave, no worries and good luck [00:46] Guest19: if you have moved /tmp, /home and /log from the SSD, there won't be frequent writes and very little wear. (have /usr on the SSD and have very good performance) [00:47] that about what I did and it is working well [00:48] I did put /usr on the platter drive as well [00:49] although i could put /usr in it's own portition on the SSD [00:49] *partition [00:50] Guest19: then, but /usr back on the SSD. I think it belongs to the "system" and it should make it more speedy. /usr is not write intense like /tmp or /var [00:50] true, just want to protect it for my experimenting if I have to do a rinstall [00:51] *re-install [00:52] Guest19: aha, you have programs installed that are not .deb or from the repos [00:53] not really but I have done some really stupid tricks will I was learning [00:53] Guest19: but a re-install would want to create files in /usr too. could be the same kind of mess as if you had it on the root partition. [00:54] broken kernels broke X if you could break it I did [00:54] that fine it would still preserve my confg files [00:55] the perfect experience gatherer :) [00:55] as long as I didn't format it [00:57] can not seem to type well today could be due to watching he hockey game [00:57] Guest19: the config files are in /etc (I always add a comment "# david 2013-04-18 bla bla bla" when I manually edit config files, so I can find them and copy them to /home before a re-install) [00:58] There are also hidden config files for software in usr and home [00:59] firefox, thunderbird and skype hawe hidden config files in both usr and home [00:59] so does VMWare [01:04] Guest19: if you change config files in /usr you'd have to handle that the same as when you change config files in /etc. [01:05] No I'm not wantinng to change them just preserve them when i have to do a re=install [01:05] it worxs really well [01:09] Guest19: I don't understand what you are doing in /usr, and how a separat mount would help re-installing. It's late and I may never understand. May we drop it? [01:09] David-A: sure third period is starting and I want to watch [01:09] a good time was had [01:09] thatk you [01:10] have a nice watch [01:12] Richard Stallman on 9/11 being an inside job: [01:13] ok? [01:14] KombuchaKip: He's quite notably anti-Semitic. [01:15] SonikkuAmerica: He's Jewish, but regardless, what does that have to do with nano-thermite? [01:15] SonikkuAmerica: He didn't say who he thought had done it, only that he wanted a new investigation. [01:15] KombuchaKip: Oh, I read the whole article. [01:16] KombuchaKip: I'm quite surprised at the number of anti-Zionist Jews out there (of all the anti-Zionist people groups), that's all. [01:16] how is this relevant to Xubuntu? [01:16] Myrtti: It's off topic. [01:16] Myrtti: AFAIK it isn't. [01:16] !ot [01:16] #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [01:16] well then [04:05] hello [07:12] hi [07:12] how can upgrade my xubuntu's weather plugin? [07:20] rusman: ? [07:20] i installed xubuntu [07:20] 12.04 [07:20] what weather plugin? [07:20] xfce4-weather-plugin [07:21] rusman: it will upgrade automatically [07:21] i guess it was not [07:21] what version do you have? [07:21] rusman: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin [07:21] 0.8.3 (2013-02-18) is newest [07:22] ou well youre right [07:22] there is a new version :D [07:22] http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin/ [07:22] ^ [07:22] Get jiggy [07:22] baizon it did not show version [07:22] rusman: you can download it from the raring repo [07:22] rusman: you have the 0.7.4 version [07:23] rusman: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/xfce4-weather-plugin [07:24] hi guys !! I am trying to use fdisk-l to identify my pen drive it executes in terminal but does not give any output can someone tell me why [07:25] hmm it works with sudo very odd [07:26] baizon please help me download plugin [07:27] baizon: uhoh [07:27] baizon should i download all dependencies? [07:27] rusman: why do you want the newer one? [07:28] rusman: wait a moment [07:28] because this one has unreadable font [07:28] very very small [07:29] you probably can change it? [07:29] rusman: u nreadable font where [07:29] no there is no option [07:29] whic app [07:29] *which [07:29] aiena on the panel [07:30] aiena xfce4-weather-plugin [07:33] I am trying to format a pen drive fdisk-l would not give any output untill i used sudo fdisk-l [07:33] I have identified the postition of the pen drive as /dev/sdb [07:34] now when I runsudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb it states that the device is busy [07:34] devicde or resource busy [07:34] rusman Did you look under appearance in the settings menu? [07:34] aiena unmount it [07:34] packetfrog yes i did [07:35] packetfrog but found nothing in settings [07:35] rusman Try the text settings in the dock settings menu [07:35] packetfrog: if I unmount it I cant format it [07:35] O_o [07:36] o_O [07:36] aiena you cant format it mounted [07:36] aiena use GParted [07:36] but if it is unpounted sudo fdisk -l does not show it up [07:37] *unmounted [07:37] so it is difficult to identify the location of an unmounted usb drive [07:37] and I maight gformat something else [07:37] *might [07:37] *format [07:38] aiena, sudo apt-get install gparted [07:38] rusman: gparted works for usb's too [07:38] packetfrog where is dock settings menu ? [07:38] rusman right click on the dock anywhere and click the lower pref menu the higher one is for whatever your clicked [07:39] aiena, gparted works on any drive your cant mount [07:39] can* [07:39] thanks [07:39] aiena: have you used sudo? [07:39] baizon yes [07:39] for both [07:39] if i did not use sufdo fdisk -l [07:40] it would not show up the device locations [07:40] i found the location to be /dev/sdb [07:40] then i used sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb [07:40] it states that the device is busy [07:40] though nothing is opened from it [07:40] its just plugged it [07:40] *in [07:40] thunar is closed too [07:40] for it [07:41] packetfrog there is no font setting i need upgrade this plugin [07:41] hold on I will install it [07:41] no [07:42] you'll install new version [07:42] new version have this setting [07:43] Menu> Settings Manager> Appearance > Custom DPI [07:43] increase it [07:44] yes [07:44] Appearance > Fonts rather [07:44] no [07:44] i don't want [07:44] because it cause all system [07:45] i need only one plugin [07:45] this plugin with bug [07:45] there is no plugin specific text size increase on even the newest version [07:45] New option to set font size manually and removed code that did it automatically (bug #9369). Font settings can be undone by middle-clicking on the button. [07:45] bug 9369 in linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) "i810 sound works with OSS driver, but not with ALSA driver" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9369 [07:46] http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin [07:46] OIC [07:46] rusman: the easiest way is to use the xubuntu ppa [07:46] baizon what is it [07:46] there you have the up to date verion of the weather plugin... https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10 [07:47] just install the ppa and update. Done :-) [07:48] ok ill try now [07:48] ahhh I see it now [07:48] under the font menu [07:48] baizon is a smart sooka [07:48] :> [07:49] :P [07:51] hello, I have a question. Is there a way to control toolbar/icon sizes in xfce? I am getting really annoyed by LibreOffice toolbars taking up to 30% of the screen... [07:51] Whatcha talking about [07:52] you want to resize them or get rid of them? [07:52] toolbars. The lines, that usually are bellow menu with many icons to perform actions :D [07:52] I want to resize them [07:55] yurij Figured it out [07:55] one sec [07:56] In libreoffice (write for testing on my side) Tools> Options > (expand LibreOffice) View> change icon size small [07:56] yurij, ^ [07:57] Let me know if that works for ya [07:57] Oh, nice. Thanks a lot [07:57] It works, though I had some trouble finding menu because of translations :D [07:58] baizon: how do I give administrator priviledges to KDE partition manager ? [07:58] ? [07:58] aiena: sudo [07:58] gksudo [07:58] ok in terminal thanks [07:58] indeed, gksudo for gui [07:58] yeak gksudo uis better [07:58] *is [07:58] sudo can be dangerous for gui's [07:58] as I read [07:59] Life is dangerous, Live on the edge! [07:59] :P my life is always dangerous but living on the edge isnt necessary !! In this case [08:00] ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.10 [08:00] oup sorry [08:00] I do that all the time when using Guake :/ [08:09] baizon, packetfrog thank you. i win [08:09] YAY FOR WINNING [08:09] * packetfrog bows to baizons elite sooka style [08:09] new version looks perfectly [08:09] rusman I even left it on my toolbar woohooo [08:10] not that I need to look to see the weather it just rains and rains here [08:10] rusman. tell your frens! #xubuntu is the support channel to be in! [08:10] ;-) [08:58] is there a way to change the layout of xubuntu e.g. bring the toppanel to the bottom and move the quick bar at the bottom to the side or hide it ? [08:58] *e,g,= [08:58] *e.g. [08:59] aiena: yes [08:59] how [08:59] aiena: just do it [08:59] I am using blender and these are getting in the way [08:59] aiena: right-click on the panel, select properties and change what you want [08:59] right click panel panel prefrences [09:00] the panel that is highlighted in red slashs can be dragged [09:00] or you can use the menu there and do whatever [09:01] packetfrog: is there a way to disable/hide the bottom quick bar temporarily so that it soes not pop up when i hover my mouise below ? [09:01] or rearrange that quick bar or whatever it is called [09:03] yep same way [09:03] thanks guys [09:03] :> [09:04] packetfrog: is there a way to limit how a window resizes [09:04] e.g. to set it to resize to a maximum extent smaller than the screen maximum [09:07] aiena, Settings Manager > Workspaces & Margins > Margins [09:07] packetfrog: hmm it automatically resizes correctly [09:07] that cool [09:08] thanks !! [09:08] Its the best thing I can think of for what you want [09:08] packetfrog: I want to change the orientation of the xubuntu menu [09:08] I want to have the xubuntu menu pop up instead of down [09:08] I prefer my panel down [09:09] You want that bar on the bottom of the screen like windows? [09:09] yes [09:09] but the menu gets hidden [09:09] by what? [09:09] it moves down out of the screen like default [09:09] instead of up [09:09] so it does not show [09:10] if uyou press the xubuntu logo [09:10] the menu normally drops down [09:11] like the file menu in windows [09:11] now if i drag the panel to the bottom of the screen all is fine [09:11] but the menu still drops down [09:11] and i cant see it [09:11] anyway to fix that ? [09:13] hmm now it seems to work [09:13] maybe it was not completely down [09:13] sigh [09:14] it works when I change mine... [09:14] yup now its ok [09:14] :> [09:14] sorry to bother you [09:14] yours must have been high on crack for a minute [09:14] no bother [09:14] :) [09:14] :P [09:14] probably lol [09:14] * aiena grins === packetfrog is now known as tadpole === tadpole is now known as packetfrog === packetfrog is now known as tadpole === tadpole is now known as packetfrog [10:07] how do i install an icon to use for a launcher i have the icon file [10:08] the icn does not appear in the icon launcher select icon list [10:08] *icon [10:08] I have the file [10:08] aiena: there is a dropdown at the top of the icon selection dialog [10:08] ah found it [10:08] aiena: select 'image files' from it [10:08] yes thanks TheSheep [11:12] Hey guys, I have been trying to disable my discrete graphics card for quite a while and now I think I did. Does anybody know how I can make sure it's off? lspci still lists it. [11:14] artearte: this command egrep -i " connected|card detect|primary dev" /var/log/Xorg.0.log [11:14] artearte, http://forums.eukhost.com/f15/how-do-i-turn-off-discrete-graphics-card-ubuntu-linux-hybrid-graphics-17897/#.UW_Vc6ClfVM [11:14] You can turn if off in your BIOS as well most likely [11:19] Can't do that in HP bios sadly. I had already tried turning it off via switcheroo but since I still get [ 14.120] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 connected[ 14.142] (WW) RADEON(G0): No outputs definitely connected, trying again...[ 14.142] (WW) RADEON(G0): Unable to find connected outputs - setting 1024x768 initial framebuffer I guess I hadn't. [11:21] Hi guys [11:21] hi andrzejr [11:21] artearte, lspci shows my nvidia card but I know its not in use. [11:21] hi antisober552 [11:22] hello mrhigh552 [11:22] That was the output of egrep -i " connected|card detect|primary dev" /var/log/Xorg.0.log and I'm pretty sure it's still in use because of how much power it's drawing. [11:23] So i know my power supply is dead as i cant power 1 dvd and a wifi card where if i unplug my the dvd drive i can use my pci card [11:23] So im gunna get a new power supply next week [11:23] artearte, http://askubuntu.com/questions/103253/how-do-i-turn-off-the-radeon-gpu-ono-my-hp-pavilion-dm4 === arte_ is now known as artearte [11:28] Thank you a bunch guys, I'm retarded and hadn't logged off. [11:32] hi there! how can i back my login screen, not automaticly to log-in? [11:33] nkls: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/ [11:33] nkls: question 7 [11:34] baizon, i have xubuntu xfce [11:34] nkls: so do i [11:34] ok [11:34] thanks [11:34] baizon, i have another question: [11:34] choose password for new keyering [11:35] this is headache for me [11:35] can i remove this pop-up? [11:36] i dont understand your question. You want to change your password? [11:36] no, i want to remove this pop-up when i opened chrome [11:37] this is something why i get every time when i open chrome [11:38] this is something what i have every time when i opened chrome* "choose password for new keyering" [11:39] nkls: yes, now i understand. The solution: http://karim.cytrontech.com/2013/03/22/xubuntu-solution-to-chrome-asks-for-password-to-unlock-keyring-on-startup/ [11:39] baizon, thanks! [11:39] i will look at this now [12:44] Hi guys [12:44] Where do i report bugs? [12:45] I am getting a massive bug thing on this Xubuntu 13.04 [12:45] Pulseaudio is eating me a full core of my cpu [12:47] obscureangelPT, looks like it is already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1170313 [12:47] Launchpad bug 1170313 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Latest inotify patch causes 100% CPU" [High,In progress] [12:52] yep, must be that, gonna read and confirm that i have too [12:52] Its sad because its a netbook XD [12:53] Anda netbook cant do nothing at higher CPU percentage [12:53] Thanks a lot for the support [12:53] obscureangelPT: yes i know the pain, have the same problem since this morning :( [12:55] SO its been happening to all people with 13.04 [14:08] hey anybody listen? [14:08] xubuntu593: to? [14:09] i have a problem with my os... [14:09] i downloaded yesterday...the installation went allright....but from then,when i try to enter xubuntu a black screen appears....and nothing more... :S [14:10] any help? [14:19] Is there a ram and processor usage widget for xubuntu ? [14:20] yeah for the panel [14:21] not aware of anything that sits on the desktop wallpaper but that doesnt mean it doesnt exists. to me the dock is a better spot for it anyways [14:21] Hello, I am running Ubuntu 12.10 embedded in / along Windows xp. I want to get rid of Ubuntu (problems with Adobe Reader and I don't like the interface) and replace it by Xubuntu 12.10. There is a safe way to do it without crashing Windows xp??? Thanks [14:21] SunStar: how do you use/install it ? [14:22] redcougar27, use a live USB disk to delete the xubuntu partition and resize the windows partition, then reboot the computer with the XP disk and use the recovery options to reinstall the bootloader [14:23] When installing Ubuntu, it asks you "Install Ubuntu instead of Win xp OR along it without damaging windows?" I choose the later solution. [14:24] aiena, right click on panel 1 (the one that hides) and select panel -> new item -> search for cpu or system load monitor [14:24] redcougar27, sorry i misread, i thout u wanted to get rid of linux [14:25] SunStar: thanks !! that dows not mention ram usage though !! But thanls all the same [14:25] redcougar27, what i would do is quit the installer and go into launcher menu -> system -> gparted and erase the Ubuntu partition and start over, then go back into the installer and install xubuntu [14:25] aiena: i like conky [14:26] aiena, you sure? my system load monitor shows me CPU, RAM and SWAP [14:26] No, no, I want to replace Ubuntu by XUBUNTU without damaging windows. OK, thanks for your answer, I will try. [14:26] yes [14:27] thats what i said redcougar27, use gparted to delete the *Ubuntu* partiton and make a new one for your *Xubuntu* then go back to the installer [14:27] redcougar27: no need.. xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. you can just install xfce pretty much... or convert your ubuntu to xubuntu [14:27] SunStar: I added the wrong widget [14:29] SunStar: how do you remove an added panel widget [14:29] right click on it and select remove [14:31] Thanks by the way. I am moving the lawn. Bye. [14:33] I wonder where it's getting moved to [14:33] O_o [15:56] Hello everybody =D Where i find a lubuntu 12.10 non-pae kernel iso? Thanks (tell me simply because i'm italian... ;D [15:59] non pae kernels do not exist any more, last release with non pae kernel was 12.04 xubuntu, and lubuntu for that matter [16:00] GridCube: and what i do? [16:00] why do you need non-pae specifically? [16:00] Matteo99, get 12.04 its lts [16:01] Cheri703, because he has a non pae cpu? [16:01] Yes [16:01] but can't you use pae on non pae stuff? [16:01] or am I wrong? [16:01] nope [16:01] no, you are wrong [16:01] ah, ok [16:01] ignore me then :) [16:01] ahahah =D [16:01] dont worry :) [16:02] GridCube, can you write the link for lubuntu 12.04 lts? thank you [16:05] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ [16:09] GridCube, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.2/release/ It's correct? [16:10] thats for ubuntu, no xubuntu or lubuntu, you need to navigate to such directories [16:10] lubuntu would be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/ and xubuntu http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ [16:11]