[00:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah... http://xfce.org/projects
[00:00] <SonikkuAmerica> The "Core Components" section is what you want not to touch.
[00:01] <Guest19> I am testing mint cinnamon on a HP dv9000 and it just seems to have too many small gltches
[00:01] <SonikkuAmerica> !mint
[00:02] <Guest19> that is why I am investigating xubuntu
[00:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh.
[00:02] <SonikkuAmerica> By the way, random question: How do you pronounce Xubuntu?
[00:03] <Guest19> no clue
[00:03] <SonikkuAmerica> I've heard Zoobuntu, Ecks-ubuntu and Ksubuntu...
[00:04] <David-A> SonikkuAmerica: I think they are all right (different languages/countries have different pronunciation rules)
[00:04] <SonikkuAmerica> I had this long argument with GridCube over it
[00:05] <Guest19> anyway mint is just having X server problems on this lappy
[00:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Oi
[00:05] <Guest19> So I am hoping that Xubuntu will be a bit better
[00:06] <SonikkuAmerica> It could be. What's your hardware look like? [ lspci ]
[00:07] <Guest19> intel core duo 2 core 3gig ram nvidia GO 8600m intell chipset and networking
[00:08] <SonikkuAmerica> What's an nVidia GO?
[00:09] <Guest19> one drive is an intelSSD x25' a 500ghitachi and a lightscribe DVD
[00:09] <Guest19> mobile version of a 8600GS
[00:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh
[00:10] <Guest19> want to put root on the SSD
[00:10] <Guest19>  and home,var,temp,and user on the 500 platter
[00:13] <David-A> Guest19: /user ?  you mean /usr ?
[00:14] <Guest19> yea
[00:15] <Guest19> anything that would have a lot of writes on the platter drive
[00:15] <David-A> Guest19: /usr is not short for "user". it makes more sense to think of it as part of the system, like /etc, /bin, etc, that you would have on the SSD
[00:16] <Guest19>  also if I make the OS mad by my tinkkering I won't lose my settings during a re install
[00:18] <David-A> Guest19: I'd think you'd have the system on the SSD for performance reasons. blindlingly fast program starts. (I am not an expert, but ... "wear" on an SSD should not be a major concern these days, I think)
[00:20] <Guest19> it is fast with mint right now, but the little glitches with it are making me look at xubuntu
[00:22] <Guest19> with just / on the SSD and a few programs on a 40G drive there is alot ofextra space for wear leveling
[00:22] <Dr-Dave> Sooo, here is what I need to do --- I would like to have remote access to a computer on my home network... access from within the home network and access from my mobile/cellular internet. What do I need to install on on the -remote- computer and what do I need to install on the -controlling- computer.  Also, with regards to the accessing the -remote- computer from outside my network... do I need a separate computer as a VPN server or an SSH server and if so,
[00:22] <Dr-Dave> what should I install?
[00:23] <Dr-Dave> I just need command line access ... not graphical
[00:24] <GridCube> Dr-Dave, i would recommend you owncloud, or a mpd server, or even a samba server
[00:24] <David-A> Guest19: the drive does not know of the file system. wear leveling is taking place about the same if the file has plenty of free space or not.
[00:27] <David-A> Guest19: but if the filesystem is very full it may suffer fragmentation, which may reduce performance and increase wear on the drive
[00:27] <Guest19> from my experience if you have  a 2:1 ratio of free space to used or more
[00:27] <Guest19> it better
[00:28] <Dr-Dave> GridCube  -- I just need to have command line access to the -remote- computer. IE, for rebooting, update installations, shutting down etc... I'm not transfering files or anything. However, I need to do that when I'm on my network, and when I'm mobile or on a different network like the Library, a friends house or something.
[00:28] <Guest19> so i'm using about 10g of a 40g drive
[00:29] <Guest19> room enough for any trim or wear function
[00:30] <David-A> Guest19: you mean like 33% full (66% free)? that sounds little. (in my experience with rotating drives, fragmentation seems develop when over 90% full (10% free))
[00:32] <Guest19> nand doesn't work like that
[00:32] <Guest19> it has to play with the whole block or nothing
[00:33] <Guest19> got to let the cat out be back
[00:36] <David-A> Guest19: I know. wear leveling moves data around when a block is written. it does not matter how full the file system is. but fragmentation matters, because then data is written to more blocks.
[00:38] <GridCube> Dr-Dave, oh then a ssh server its what you need
[00:38] <David-A> Guest19: will you be using a file system type that is designed for SSDs?
[00:38] <GridCube> Dr-Dave, there is putty apps for symbian android an so on, to log in to the ssh servers
[00:38] <SonikkuAmerica> David-A: extN is not recommended for SSDs?
[00:38] <GridCube> !ssh
[00:39] <Dr-Dave> GridCube == do I install SSH server on the --remote-- computer?
[00:39] <GridCube> Dr-Dave, you install the server in the machine you want to control
[00:39] <GridCube> and the clients in the clients that want to control the machine
[00:40] <Guest19> David-A: right now it running with ext4
[00:41] <Dr-Dave> GridCube -- OK, I'll give that a try.   I'm assuming that Xubuntu does not have that SSH stuff installed. ==Back in the day== of Ubuntu 10.04LTS ... I was able to SSH in from a winDOHs box with putty without installing anything....
[00:41] <Guest19> David-A: that is why I want a large free to used ratio
[00:42] <Guest19> David-A: run fstrim once a week or so and I see no speed loss
[00:43] <GridCube> Dr-Dave, i dont remember if its there, i would read the help page i pasted you
[00:45] <Dr-Dave> GridCube -- I thank you, and I'll give this a try. I was kinda thinking the SSH goodies was already installed and was figuring there was some change somewhere along the way durring version changes. Thanks again.
[00:45] <GridCube> Dr-Dave, no worries and good luck
[00:46] <David-A> Guest19: if you have moved /tmp, /home and /log from the SSD, there won't be frequent writes and very little wear. (have /usr on the SSD and have very good performance)
[00:47] <Guest19> that about what I did and it is working well
[00:48] <Guest19> I did put /usr on the platter drive as well
[00:49] <Guest19> although i could put /usr in it's own portition on the SSD
[00:49] <Guest19> *partition
[00:50] <David-A> Guest19: then, but /usr back on the SSD. I think it belongs to the "system" and it should make it more speedy. /usr is not write intense like /tmp or /var
[00:50] <Guest19> true, just want to protect it for my experimenting if I have to do a rinstall
[00:51] <Guest19> *re-install
[00:52] <David-A> Guest19: aha, you have programs installed that are not .deb or from the repos
[00:53] <Guest19> not really but I have done some really stupid tricks will I was learning
[00:53] <David-A> Guest19: but a re-install would want to create files in /usr too. could be the same kind of mess as if you had it on the root partition.
[00:54] <Guest19> broken kernels broke X if you could break it I did
[00:54] <Guest19> that fine it would still preserve my confg files
[00:55] <David-A> the perfect experience gatherer :)
[00:55] <Guest19> as long as I didn't format it
[00:57] <Guest19> can not seem to type well today could be due to watching he hockey game
[00:57] <David-A> Guest19: the config files are in /etc (I always add a comment "# david 2013-04-18 bla bla bla" when I manually edit config files, so I can find them and copy them to /home before a re-install)
[00:58] <Guest19> There are also hidden config files for software in usr and home
[00:59] <Guest19> firefox, thunderbird and skype hawe hidden config files in both usr and home
[00:59] <Guest19> so does VMWare
[01:04] <David-A> Guest19: if you change config files in /usr you'd have to handle that the same as when you change config files in /etc.
[01:05] <Guest19> No I'm not wantinng to change them just preserve them when i have to do a re=install
[01:05] <Guest19> it worxs really well
[01:09] <David-A> Guest19: I don't understand what you are doing in /usr, and how a separat mount would help re-installing. It's late and I may never understand. May we drop it?
[01:09] <Guest19> David-A: sure third period is starting and I want to watch
[01:09] <Guest19> a good time was had
[01:09] <Guest19>  thatk you
[01:10] <David-A> have a nice watch
[01:12] <KombuchaKip> Richard Stallman on 9/11 being an inside job: <http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=979964> <http://stallman.org/archives/2009-jan-apr.html#07%20April%202009%20%28Thermite%29>
[01:13] <Myrtti> ok?
[01:14] <SonikkuAmerica> KombuchaKip: He's quite notably anti-Semitic.
[01:15] <KombuchaKip> SonikkuAmerica: He's Jewish, but regardless, what does that have to do with nano-thermite?
[01:15] <KombuchaKip> SonikkuAmerica: He didn't say who he thought had done it, only that he wanted a new investigation.
[01:15] <SonikkuAmerica> KombuchaKip: Oh, I read the whole article.
[01:16] <SonikkuAmerica> KombuchaKip: I'm quite surprised at the number of anti-Zionist Jews out there (of all the anti-Zionist people groups), that's all.
[01:16] <Myrtti> how is this relevant to Xubuntu?
[01:16] <KombuchaKip> Myrtti: It's off topic.
[01:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Myrtti: AFAIK it isn't.
[01:16] <SonikkuAmerica> !ot
[01:16] <Myrtti> well then
[04:05] <m0ther> hello
[07:12] <rusman> hi
[07:12] <rusman> how can upgrade my xubuntu's weather plugin?
[07:20] <baizon> rusman: ?
[07:20] <rusman> i installed xubuntu
[07:20] <rusman> 12.04
[07:20] <baizon> what weather plugin?
[07:20] <rusman> xfce4-weather-plugin
[07:21] <baizon> rusman: it will upgrade automatically
[07:21] <rusman> i guess it was not
[07:21] <baizon> what version do you have?
[07:21] <packetfrog> rusman: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin
[07:21] <packetfrog> 0.8.3 (2013-02-18) is newest
[07:22] <baizon> ou well youre right
[07:22] <baizon> there is a new version :D
[07:22] <packetfrog> http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin/
[07:22] <packetfrog> ^
[07:22] <packetfrog> Get jiggy
[07:22] <rusman> baizon it did not show version
[07:22] <baizon> rusman: you can download it from the raring repo
[07:22] <baizon> rusman: you have the 0.7.4 version
[07:23] <baizon> rusman: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/xfce4-weather-plugin
[07:24] <aiena> hi guys !! I am trying to use fdisk-l to identify my pen drive it executes in terminal but does not give any output can someone tell me why
[07:25] <aiena> hmm it works with sudo very odd
[07:26] <rusman> baizon please help me download plugin
[07:27] <Myrtti> baizon: uhoh
[07:27] <rusman> baizon should i download all dependencies?
[07:27] <Myrtti> rusman: why do you want the newer one?
[07:28] <Myrtti> rusman: wait a moment
[07:28] <rusman> because this one has unreadable font
[07:28] <rusman> very very small
[07:29] <Myrtti> you probably can change it?
[07:29] <aiena> rusman: u nreadable font where
[07:29] <rusman> no there is no option
[07:29] <aiena> whic app
[07:29] <aiena> *which
[07:29] <rusman> aiena on the panel
[07:30] <rusman> aiena xfce4-weather-plugin
[07:33] <aiena> I am trying to format a pen drive fdisk-l would not give any output untill i used sudo fdisk-l
[07:33] <aiena> I have identified the postition of the pen drive as /dev/sdb
[07:34] <aiena> now when I runsudo  mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb it states that the device is busy
[07:34] <aiena> devicde or resource busy
[07:34] <packetfrog> rusman Did you look under appearance in the settings menu?
[07:34] <packetfrog> aiena unmount it
[07:34] <rusman> packetfrog yes i did
[07:35] <rusman>  packetfrog but found nothing in settings
[07:35] <packetfrog> rusman Try the text settings in the dock settings menu
[07:35] <aiena> packetfrog: if I unmount it I cant format it
[07:35] <packetfrog> O_o
[07:36] <rusman> o_O
[07:36] <packetfrog> aiena you cant format it mounted
[07:36] <rusman> aiena use GParted
[07:36] <aiena> but if it is unpounted sudo fdisk -l does not show it up
[07:37] <aiena> *unmounted
[07:37] <aiena> so it is difficult to identify the location of an unmounted usb drive
[07:37] <aiena> and I maight gformat something else
[07:37] <aiena> *might
[07:37] <aiena> *format
[07:38] <packetfrog> aiena, sudo apt-get install gparted
[07:38] <aiena> rusman: gparted works for usb's too
[07:38] <rusman> packetfrog where is dock settings menu ?
[07:38] <packetfrog> rusman right click on the dock anywhere and click the lower pref menu   the higher one is for whatever your clicked
[07:39] <packetfrog> aiena, gparted works on any drive your cant mount
[07:39] <packetfrog> can*
[07:39] <aiena> thanks
[07:39] <baizon> aiena: have you used sudo?
[07:39] <aiena> baizon yes
[07:39] <aiena> for both
[07:39] <aiena> if i did not use sufdo fdisk -l
[07:40] <aiena> it would not show up the device locations
[07:40] <aiena> i found the location to be /dev/sdb
[07:40] <aiena> then i used sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb
[07:40] <aiena> it states that the device is busy
[07:40] <aiena> though nothing is opened from it
[07:40] <aiena> its just plugged it
[07:40] <aiena> *in
[07:40] <aiena> thunar is closed too
[07:40] <aiena> for it
[07:41] <rusman> packetfrog there is no font setting i need upgrade this plugin
[07:41] <packetfrog> hold on I will install it
[07:41] <rusman> no
[07:42] <rusman> you'll install new version
[07:42] <rusman> new version have this setting
[07:43] <packetfrog> Menu> Settings Manager> Appearance > Custom DPI
[07:43] <packetfrog> increase it
[07:44] <rusman> yes
[07:44] <packetfrog> Appearance > Fonts rather
[07:44] <rusman> no
[07:44] <rusman> i don't want
[07:44] <rusman> because it cause all system
[07:45] <rusman> i need only one plugin
[07:45] <rusman> this plugin with bug
[07:45] <packetfrog> there is no plugin specific text size increase on even the newest version
[07:45] <rusman> New option to set font size manually and removed code that did it automatically (bug #9369). Font settings can be undone by middle-clicking on the button.
[07:46] <rusman> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin
[07:46] <packetfrog> OIC
[07:46] <baizon> rusman: the easiest way is to use the xubuntu ppa
[07:46] <rusman> baizon what is it
[07:46] <baizon> there you have the up to date verion of the weather plugin... https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[07:47] <baizon> just install the ppa and update. Done :-)
[07:48] <rusman> ok ill try now
[07:48] <packetfrog> ahhh I see it now
[07:48] <packetfrog> under the font menu
[07:48] <packetfrog> baizon is a smart sooka
[07:48] <packetfrog> :>
[07:49] <baizon> :P
[07:51] <yurij> hello, I have a question. Is there a way to control toolbar/icon sizes in xfce? I am getting really annoyed by LibreOffice toolbars taking up to 30% of the screen...
[07:51] <packetfrog> Whatcha talking about
[07:52] <packetfrog> you want to resize them or get rid of them?
[07:52] <yurij> toolbars. The lines, that usually are bellow menu with many icons to perform actions :D
[07:52] <yurij> I want to resize them
[07:55] <packetfrog> yurij Figured it out
[07:55] <packetfrog> one sec
[07:56] <packetfrog> In libreoffice (write for testing on my side) Tools> Options > (expand LibreOffice) View> change icon size   small
[07:56] <packetfrog> yurij, ^
[07:57] <packetfrog> Let me know if that works for ya
[07:57] <yurij> Oh, nice. Thanks a lot
[07:57] <yurij> It works, though I had some trouble finding menu because of translations :D
[07:58] <aiena> baizon: how do I give administrator priviledges to KDE partition manager ?
[07:58] <packetfrog> ?
[07:58] <baizon> aiena: sudo
[07:58] <packetfrog> gksudo
[07:58] <aiena> ok in terminal thanks
[07:58] <baizon> indeed, gksudo for gui
[07:58] <aiena> yeak gksudo uis better
[07:58] <aiena> *is
[07:58] <aiena> sudo can be dangerous for gui's
[07:58] <aiena> as I read
[07:59] <packetfrog> Life is dangerous, Live on the edge!
[07:59] <aiena> :P my life is always dangerous but living on the edge isnt necessary !! In this case
[08:00] <rusman> ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.10
[08:00] <rusman> oup sorry
[08:00] <packetfrog> I do that all the time when using Guake :/
[08:09] <rusman> baizon, packetfrog thank you. i win
[08:09] <packetfrog> YAY FOR WINNING
[08:09]  * packetfrog bows to baizons elite sooka style
[08:09] <rusman> new version looks perfectly
[08:09] <packetfrog> rusman I even left it on my toolbar  woohooo
[08:10] <packetfrog> not that I need to look to see the weather   it just rains and rains here
[08:10] <packetfrog> rusman. tell your frens! #xubuntu is the support channel to be in!
[08:10] <rusman> ;-)
[08:58] <aiena> is there a way to change the layout of xubuntu e.g. bring the toppanel to the bottom and move the quick bar at the bottom to the side or hide it ?
[08:58] <aiena> *e,g,=
[08:58] <aiena> *e.g.
[08:59] <TheSheep> aiena: yes
[08:59] <aiena> how
[08:59] <TheSheep> aiena: just do it
[08:59] <aiena> I am using blender and these are getting in the way
[08:59] <TheSheep> aiena: right-click on the panel, select properties and change what you want
[08:59] <packetfrog> right click panel  panel   prefrences
[09:00] <packetfrog> the panel that is highlighted in red slashs can be dragged
[09:00] <packetfrog> or you can use the menu there and do whatever
[09:01] <aiena> packetfrog: is there a way to disable/hide the bottom quick bar temporarily so that it soes not pop up when i hover my mouise below ?
[09:01] <aiena> or rearrange that quick bar or whatever it is called
[09:03] <aiena> yep same way
[09:03] <aiena> thanks guys
[09:03] <packetfrog> :>
[09:04] <aiena> packetfrog: is there a way to limit how a window resizes
[09:04] <aiena> e.g. to set it to resize to a maximum extent smaller than the screen maximum
[09:07] <packetfrog> aiena, Settings Manager > Workspaces & Margins > Margins
[09:07] <aiena> packetfrog: hmm it automatically resizes correctly
[09:07] <aiena> that cool
[09:08] <aiena> thanks !!
[09:08] <packetfrog> Its the best thing I can think of for what you want
[09:08] <aiena> packetfrog: I want to change the orientation of the xubuntu menu
[09:08] <aiena> I want to have the xubuntu menu pop up instead of down
[09:08] <aiena> I prefer my panel down
[09:09] <packetfrog> You want that bar on the bottom of the screen like windows?
[09:09] <aiena> yes
[09:09] <aiena> but the menu gets hidden
[09:09] <packetfrog> by what?
[09:09] <aiena> it moves down out of the screen like default
[09:09] <aiena> instead of up
[09:09] <aiena> so it does not show
[09:10] <aiena> if uyou press the xubuntu logo
[09:10] <aiena> the menu normally drops down
[09:11] <aiena> like the file menu in windows
[09:11] <aiena> now if i drag the panel to the bottom of the screen all is fine
[09:11] <aiena> but the menu still drops down
[09:11] <aiena> and i cant see it
[09:11] <aiena> anyway to fix that ?
[09:13] <aiena> hmm now it seems to work
[09:13] <aiena> maybe it was not completely down
[09:13] <aiena> sigh
[09:14] <packetfrog> it works when I change mine...
[09:14] <aiena> yup now its ok
[09:14] <packetfrog> :>
[09:14] <aiena> sorry to bother you
[09:14] <packetfrog> yours must have been high on crack for a minute
[09:14] <packetfrog> no bother
[09:14] <packetfrog> :)
[09:14] <aiena> :P
[09:14] <aiena> probably lol
[09:14]  * aiena grins
[10:07] <aiena> how do i install an icon to use for a launcher i have the icon file
[10:08] <aiena> the icn does not appear in the icon launcher select icon list
[10:08] <aiena> *icon
[10:08] <aiena> I have the file
[10:08] <TheSheep> aiena: there is a dropdown at the top of the icon selection dialog
[10:08] <aiena> ah found it
[10:08] <TheSheep> aiena: select 'image files' from it
[10:08] <aiena> yes thanks TheSheep
[11:12] <artearte> Hey guys, I have been trying to disable my discrete graphics card for quite a while and now I think I did. Does anybody know how I can make sure it's off? lspci still lists it.
[11:14] <baizon> artearte: this command egrep -i " connected|card detect|primary dev" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:14] <packetfrog> artearte, http://forums.eukhost.com/f15/how-do-i-turn-off-discrete-graphics-card-ubuntu-linux-hybrid-graphics-17897/#.UW_Vc6ClfVM
[11:14] <packetfrog> You can turn if off in your BIOS as well most likely
[11:19] <artearte> Can't do that in HP bios sadly. I had already tried turning it off via switcheroo but since I still get [    14.120] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 connected[    14.142] (WW) RADEON(G0): No outputs definitely connected, trying again...[    14.142] (WW) RADEON(G0): Unable to find connected outputs - setting 1024x768 initial framebuffer                I guess I hadn't.
[11:21] <antisober552> Hi guys
[11:21] <baizon> hi andrzejr
[11:21] <packetfrog> artearte, lspci shows my nvidia card but I know its not in use.
[11:21] <baizon> hi antisober552
[11:22] <packetfrog> hello mrhigh552
[11:22] <artearte> That was the output of egrep -i " connected|card detect|primary dev" /var/log/Xorg.0.log and I'm pretty sure it's still in use because of how much power it's drawing.
[11:23] <antisober552> So i know my power supply is dead as i cant power 1 dvd  and a wifi card where if i unplug my the dvd drive i can use my pci card
[11:23] <antisober552> So im gunna get a new power supply next week
[11:23] <packetfrog> artearte, http://askubuntu.com/questions/103253/how-do-i-turn-off-the-radeon-gpu-ono-my-hp-pavilion-dm4
[11:28] <artearte> Thank you a bunch guys, I'm retarded and hadn't logged off.
[11:32] <nkls> hi there! how can i back my login screen, not automaticly to log-in?
[11:33] <baizon> nkls: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[11:33] <baizon> nkls: question 7
[11:34] <nkls> baizon, i have xubuntu xfce
[11:34] <baizon> nkls: so do i
[11:34] <nkls> ok
[11:34] <nkls> thanks
[11:34] <nkls> baizon, i have another question:
[11:34] <nkls> choose password for new keyering
[11:35] <nkls> this is headache for me
[11:35] <nkls> can i remove this pop-up?
[11:36] <baizon> i dont understand your question. You want to change your password?
[11:36] <nkls> no, i want to remove this pop-up when i opened chrome
[11:37] <nkls> this is something why i get every time when i open chrome
[11:38] <nkls> this is something what i have every time when i opened chrome* "choose password for new keyering"
[11:39] <baizon> nkls: yes, now i understand. The solution: http://karim.cytrontech.com/2013/03/22/xubuntu-solution-to-chrome-asks-for-password-to-unlock-keyring-on-startup/
[11:39] <nkls> baizon, thanks!
[11:39] <nkls> i will look at this now
[12:44] <obscureangelPT> Hi guys
[12:44] <obscureangelPT> Where do i report bugs?
[12:45] <obscureangelPT> I am getting a massive bug thing on this Xubuntu 13.04
[12:45] <obscureangelPT> Pulseaudio is eating me a full core of my cpu
[12:47] <gusnan> obscureangelPT, looks like it is already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1170313
[12:52] <obscureangelPT> yep, must be that, gonna read and confirm that i have too
[12:52] <obscureangelPT> Its sad because its a netbook XD
[12:53] <obscureangelPT> Anda netbook cant do nothing at higher CPU percentage
[12:53] <obscureangelPT> Thanks a lot for the support
[12:53] <baizon> obscureangelPT: yes i know the pain, have the same problem since this morning :(
[12:55] <obscureangelPT> SO its been happening to all people with 13.04
[14:08] <xubuntu593> hey anybody listen?
[14:08] <baizon> xubuntu593: to?
[14:09] <xubuntu593> i have a problem with my os...
[14:09] <xubuntu593> i downloaded yesterday...the installation went allright....but from then,when i try to enter xubuntu a black screen appears....and nothing more... :S
[14:10] <xubuntu593> any help?
[14:19] <aiena> Is there a ram and processor usage widget for xubuntu ?
[14:20] <SunStar> yeah for the panel
[14:21] <SunStar> not aware of anything that sits on the desktop wallpaper but that doesnt mean it doesnt exists. to me the dock is a better spot for it anyways
[14:21] <redcougar27> Hello, I am running Ubuntu 12.10 embedded in / along Windows xp. I want to get rid of Ubuntu (problems with Adobe Reader and I don't like the interface) and replace it by Xubuntu 12.10. There is a safe way to do it without crashing Windows xp??? Thanks
[14:21] <aiena> SunStar: how do you use/install it ?
[14:22] <SunStar> redcougar27, use a live USB disk to delete the xubuntu partition and resize the windows partition, then reboot the computer with the XP disk and use the recovery options to reinstall the bootloader
[14:23] <redcougar27> When installing Ubuntu, it asks you "Install Ubuntu instead of Win xp OR along it without damaging windows?" I choose the later solution.
[14:24] <SunStar> aiena, right click on panel 1 (the one that hides) and select panel -> new item -> search for cpu or system load monitor
[14:24] <SunStar> redcougar27, sorry i misread, i thout u wanted to get rid of linux
[14:25] <aiena> SunStar: thanks !! that dows not mention ram usage though !! But thanls all the same
[14:25] <SunStar> redcougar27, what i would do is quit the installer and go into launcher menu -> system -> gparted and erase the Ubuntu partition and start over, then go back into the installer and install xubuntu
[14:25] <holstein> aiena: i like conky
[14:26] <SunStar> aiena, you sure? my system load monitor shows me CPU, RAM and SWAP
[14:26] <redcougar27> No, no, I want to replace Ubuntu by XUBUNTU without damaging windows. OK, thanks for your answer, I will try.
[14:26] <aiena> yes
[14:27] <SunStar> thats what i said redcougar27, use gparted to delete the *Ubuntu* partiton and make a new one for your *Xubuntu* then go back to the installer
[14:27] <holstein> redcougar27: no need.. xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. you can just install xfce pretty much... or convert your ubuntu to xubuntu
[14:27] <aiena> SunStar: I added the wrong widget
[14:29] <aiena> SunStar: how do you remove an added panel widget
[14:29] <SunStar> right click on it and select remove
[14:31] <redcougar27> Thanks by the way. I am moving the lawn. Bye.
[14:33] <genii-around> I wonder where it's getting moved to
[14:33] <SunStar> O_o
[15:56] <Matteo99> Hello everybody =D Where i find a lubuntu 12.10 non-pae kernel iso? Thanks (tell me simply because i'm italian... ;D
[15:59] <GridCube> non pae kernels do not exist any more, last release with non pae kernel was 12.04 xubuntu, and lubuntu for that matter
[16:00] <Matteo99> GridCube: and what i do?
[16:00] <Cheri703> why do you need non-pae specifically?
[16:00] <GridCube> Matteo99, get 12.04 its lts
[16:01] <GridCube> Cheri703, because he has a non pae cpu?
[16:01] <Matteo99> Yes
[16:01] <Cheri703> but can't you use pae on non pae stuff?
[16:01] <Cheri703> or am I wrong?
[16:01] <Matteo99> nope
[16:01] <GridCube> no, you are wrong
[16:01] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[16:01] <Cheri703> ignore me then :)
[16:01] <Matteo99> ahahah =D
[16:01] <GridCube> dont worry :)
[16:02] <Matteo99> GridCube, can you write the link for lubuntu 12.04 lts? thank you
[16:05] <GridCube> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[16:09] <Matteo99> GridCube,  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.2/release/  It's correct?
[16:10] <GridCube> thats for ubuntu, no xubuntu or lubuntu, you need to navigate to such directories
[16:10] <GridCube> lubuntu would be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/ and xubuntu http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[16:11] <Matteo99> Oh. yes... But here i don't find the lts iso... omg WTF i do now
[16:12] <GridCube> !language
[16:12] <GridCube> :)
[16:12] <Matteo99> oops... =D
[16:13] <Matteo99> Oh. yes... But here i don't find the lts iso...
[16:13] <GridCube> xubuntu 12.04 its lts, lubuntu never had an lts
[16:14] <Matteo99> oh, i see
[16:14] <GridCube> you can ask in their channel though
[16:15] <Matteo99> oh, ok.
[16:15] <Matteo99> but it isn't the problem
[16:16] <Matteo99> i had to update lubuntu
[16:17] <Matteo99> then i wrote sudo apt-get update
[16:17] <Matteo99> then i wrote sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:18] <Matteo99> and then ALT+F2
[16:18] <Matteo99> and then update-manager -d
[16:19] <Matteo99> i've select "a new version 12.10 is here: download" or something like that
[16:20] <Matteo99> =D
[16:20] <Matteo99> and i've update lubuntu
[16:21] <Matteo99> but the linux-kernel generic cannot install
[16:23] <Matteo99> And the indicator in the bottom of screen, after the reboot, says that the installed packages have dependencies unresolved
[16:23] <Matteo99> what i do now?
[16:23] <Matteo99> please help me
[16:24] <holstein> Matteo99: if it were me, i would backup my data.. then i would run "sudo apt-get update" and troubleshoot errors
[16:25] <Matteo99> no problem... 4 hours ago i've installed lubuntu
[16:25] <Matteo99> and i haven't any data in my pc
[16:26] <GridCube> Matteo99, as said, if you need non-pae kernels you need to stick to 12.04 and all its updates
[16:26] <GridCube> no moving to 12.10, no using lubuntu, just xubuntu
[16:28] <Matteo99> i have to re-install Lubuntu or try Xubuntu?
[16:28] <Matteo99> but what i do if the support of Lubuntu ends?
[16:28] <GridCube> i would recommend xubuntu, but if you dont update to 12.10 you will be fine with lubuntu
[16:29] <GridCube> Matteo99, the xubuntu desktop will continue to have support for a few more years
[16:29] <mikodo> Hi, I deleted and restored my Xfce 4.10 panel, and now I don't have notifications of open windows like web-pages. How do I fix that?
[16:29] <GridCube> after that you need to buy a new computer or use another distro Matteo99
[16:29] <Matteo99> yes
[16:29] <Matteo99> thank you GridCube for your help
[16:30] <GridCube> dont worry
[16:30] <Matteo99> bye!
[16:51] <darace> hi xubuntu users ;-)
[16:52] <GridCube> !hi darace
[16:52] <GridCube> !hi ¬ darace
[16:52] <GridCube> yes
[16:52] <darace> I am looking for a chipset driver for dell latitude d610 laptop. for xubuntu 12.10. intel pentium m 740 @1.73 ghz.
[16:52] <GridCube> !hi | darace
[16:52] <GridCube> chipset?
[16:53] <GridCube> what is a chipset driver if i can ask?
[16:53] <darace> dont remember i would have to reboot into windows xp and look at CPU-Z
[16:53] <GridCube> why do you need this "chipset driver"
[16:54] <darace> intel speedstep technology
[16:54] <GridCube> ain't that integrated to the kernel already?
[16:54] <darace> i dont know. ima fresh newby to this. :-(
[16:55] <GridCube> darace, speedstep its integrated to the kernel since linux 2.6
[16:55] <darace> hwo do i gert to it?
[16:55] <darace> get^^
[16:56] <GridCube> darace, http://www.overloadit.com/2011/05/17/intels-speedstep-in-linux/
[16:56] <darace> thanks grid
[16:58] <darace> opened terminal and it read it all just right :)
[17:04] <darace> permission denied using power scaling  :-/
[17:06] <GridCube> sudo it
[17:09] <darace> how to sudo it?
[17:10] <SunStar> type sudo before the command to run as admin
[17:10] <SunStar> or gksudo if it is a GUI app
[17:11] <darace> okay
[17:11] <darace> ty
[17:11] <darace> but it still denied me
[17:11] <SunStar> then sudo su
[17:11] <SunStar> sudo su whateverthiscommandis
[17:11] <genii-around> sudo -i
[17:11] <SunStar> or that
[17:11] <darace> it gave me root now
[17:14] <darace> it wont let me. i just reembered Dell bios cant recoignize the power adaptor so it clocked it to half cpu at 800 mhz. gonna take me some time to find the right adaptor
[17:15] <darace> in windows i could use a tool called rmclock and set it to 1.73ghz with no ill effects
[17:16] <darace> doesnt seem this easy in xubuntu
[17:17] <darace> im using xubuntu because i just dont feel like going to windows 7 or 8 next year when xp is pulled from support
[17:27] <GridCube> darace, no idea, but i would think that at that level any tutorial for linux should help you, its not really a matter of xubuntu, and by that i mean, you can search for any applicable solution for linux and then try to figure if it will work in ubuntu
[17:42] <jacklk> At the Ubuntu login screen, shutdown, restart, etc do not work. I think this may be because it needs root privalleges to do this... Can someone help?
[18:45] <Matteo99> Hello everybody =D I don't speak English very well because i'm Italian... Well, this is the problem: everytime i install an update on Xubuntu 12.04 my pc freezes whit a black screen and i must force shutdown. What i do for solve this problem? Thanks
[18:47] <SonikkuAmerica> !it | Matteo99, we have an Italian channel
[19:08] <Matteo99> People on #ubuntu-it don't answer.... Well, this is the problem: everytime i install an update on Xubuntu 12.04 my pc freezes whit a black screen and i must force shutdown. What i do for solve this problem? Thanks
[19:09] <SunStar> have you tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:09] <SunStar> i just went throough that not 10 minutes ago n thats how i fixed it
[19:10] <Matteo99> SunStar, do you talk to me?
[19:10] <SunStar> yes
[19:12] <Matteo99> oh, ok
[19:13] <Matteo99> but 12.10 have a pae kernel and i need a non-pae
[19:13] <pleia2> dist-upgrade does not upgrade your os to 12.10
[19:14] <pleia2> it just does all the current updates instead of all the "safe" ones that just regular upgrade does
[19:15] <Matteo99> ok thank you
[19:16] <Matteo99> i'll try
[19:36] <antisober552> :-) /join mcpedevs
[19:43] <Matteo99> SunStar, i cannot solve this problem. What i do?
[19:50] <Matteo99> I have a problem: everytime i install an update on Xubuntu 12.04 my pc freezes whit a black screen and i must force shutdown. What i do for solve this problem? Thanks
[20:49] <antisober552_> hi guys can someone tell me how i can find root terminal
[20:49] <knome> antisober552_, what do you need it for? just prefix any command with sudo.
[20:51] <antisober552_> no i run a php server and i need root access but if i put sudo infront of the cmd it does not run where if i use the root terminal it all works fine
[20:51] <bekks> antisober552_: use sudo -i and run your command inside that shell.
[20:52] <knome> antisober552_, i don't know a case where you'd need to run a command with the root user on a php server that couldn't be done with sudo.
[20:52] <SunStar> you need to use sudo su to enter into root terminal
[20:53] <bekks> SunStar: No.
[20:53] <antisober552_> if i dont run with root none of my work i do on the php will not save
[20:53] <bekks> SunStar: sudo su is a bad habbit. And sudo -i gives you an interactive root shell.
[20:53] <antisober552_> where if i run with root it saves
[20:53] <SunStar> bekks, No.
[20:53] <bekks> SunStar: Yes.
[20:53] <knome> antisober552_, save what?
[20:53] <SunStar> bekks, No.
[20:53] <bekks> SunStar: Yes.
[20:53] <antisober552_> work
[20:53] <SunStar> bekks, No.
[20:53] <knome> SunStar, bekks: please stop now.
[20:53] <bekks> SunStar: Please dont discuss things you dont know.
[20:54] <bekks> knome: ok.
[20:54] <antisober552_> im not gunna go into to much detail i just need to run it with root terminal
[20:54] <knome> antisober552_, what "work"? it sounds like you have something set up the wrong way if you need a sudo user.
[20:54] <knome> i mean, sudo terminal to save your work.
[20:54] <bekks> antisober552_: Run sudo -i to get an interactive root shell, run your command, exit the shell.
[20:55] <antisober552_> i thought i had done that as well i think i will go and set it up from begging
[20:57] <antisober552_> it might help if i spelled thing right like beinning
[20:58] <knome> antisober552_, i would seriously fix the permissions another way than have to use a root terminal for a php server. but it's your call.
[20:58] <antisober552_> yeah i think i will take you advise
[20:59] <knome> playing around with root where you really don't have to is always at least questionable, and possibly dangerous too.
[20:59] <antisober552_> so lets say i use ./start_php.sh to start the server what do i do chmod it with 0777
[20:59] <knome> to start the php server?
[20:59] <antisober552_> yeah
[21:00] <knome> you do need root access to start the php server.
[21:00] <antisober552_> no
[21:00] <antisober552_> but in order for thing to save i do
[21:00] <knome> can you be a bit more specific in what you are doing?
[21:01] <antisober552_> not really
[21:01] <knome> chmodding something that starts something won't help you saving files.
[21:01] <knome> you would need to give the appropriate user some permissions in the appropriate directory
[21:01] <knome> say you have something running in /var/www/mydir
[21:02] <antisober552_> iokay
[21:02] <knome> then in the normal case, the user running the apache server would need to have write access to that directory
[21:02] <knome> if you simply want to edit the files yourself in that directory, you will need to give write permissions for your user in that directory
[21:02] <antisober552_> that it i need writing permissin but the files which need it i cant edit
[21:03] <knome> antisober552_, the easiest way is to do "sudo chown username:username /var/www/mydir"
[21:03] <knome> antisober552_, after that, you can edit the files in that directory
[21:03] <antisober552_> thxs
[21:04] <knome> antisober552_, i also believe the default apache user in ubuntu should have access to that directory even after that.
[21:04] <antisober552_> okay
[21:04] <knome> somebody who has worked more with the server side in ubuntu would have to confirm that
[21:05] <antisober552_> okay
[21:06] <antisober552_> how do you get the red writing up
[21:07] <antisober552_> ive been trying to figure that out
[21:08] <SunStar> sudo su (hey he asked for it, why am i not allowed to tell him?)
[21:10] <knome> antisober552_, red?
[21:10] <knome> SunStar, that's not what i said.
[21:10] <SunStar> root terminal has red text
[21:10] <knome> there are other, better ways to get red text on terminal.
[21:11] <antisober552_> yes in here
[21:11] <SunStar> oh your IRC client does that when some one says your name
[21:12] <antisober552_> oh but when i say someone name it doesnt happen lol
[21:12] <antisober552_> thats why i asked
[21:12] <SunStar> it does on that persons screen
[21:12] <antisober552_> oh okay
[21:12] <antisober552_> got ya
[21:15] <antisober552_> knome i got this error chown: missing operand after
[21:16] <antisober552_> oh wait
[21:17] <antisober552_> okay i done that yes i still cant do anythink
[21:17] <antisober552_> wont right
[21:18] <knome> did you replace username with your username and /var/www/mydir with the appropriate dir
[21:18] <knome> you also want -R if you need to edit files in subdirectories
[21:19] <SunStar> -Rv to visually see what its doing
[21:36] <xubuntu239> I have updates regularly, but should I be worried about drivers for my xubununt 12.04? When I first downloaded xubuntu to my computer, I was told to update a driver, but what about now?
[21:37] <xubuntu239> I've had xubuntu about a month.
[21:37] <heoyea> nope
[21:38] <xubuntu239> o.k. cheerio! thanks
[21:40] <xubuntu239> oh, so do I have to worry about updating drivers?
[21:40] <knome> no.
[21:40] <heoyea> those are rare stuff to update
[21:40] <heoyea> u usually update applications only
[21:42] <xubuntu239> o.k.
[22:18] <ddsss> how to install xubuntu from usb-drive? Can I just dd .iso onto thumb drive?
[22:20] <Unit193> ddsss: Because it's a hybrid with quantal and higher, yep.
[22:21] <Unit193> !usb
[22:25] <ddsss> Unit193: thanks. got it.
[22:27]  * packetfrog claps
[22:27] <packetfrog> ddsss is one of us!
[22:27] <packetfrog> ddsss, Can we get a Xubuntu roar?!?
[22:27] <ddsss> packetfrog: em?:)
[22:27] <packetfrog> RAWR
[22:27] <packetfrog> like that
[22:28] <ddsss> packetfrog: ahh. yeah. no  - I've been usingit for awhile on desktop. this is for a laptop.
[22:28] <packetfrog> ddsss Can we get two rawrs then?
[22:28] <ddsss> rawr rawr
[22:28] <packetfrog> ktnx
[22:47] <carrera> Hello All!  :)
[22:48] <carrera> is there a xubuntu alternate ed?
[22:48] <carrera> I want to configure my 2 SSDs with RAID 0
[22:49] <knome> not after 12.04
[22:49] <pleia2> but you can do raid in the 12.10+ installers
[22:50] <carrera> not after 12.04?
[22:50] <pleia2> the last time xubuntu had an alternate cd was in 12.04
[22:50] <carrera> but 12.10 came after 12.04
[22:50] <carrera> so which is correct?
[22:51] <carrera> oh, got it
[22:51] <carrera> thanks guys!  :)
[22:51] <carrera> that's great news
[22:51] <knome> there is no alternate images for xubuntu after the 12.04 release, but the regular installer should support raid starting from 12.10
[22:51] <pleia2> (and lvm!)
[22:51] <carrera> so that's why there's only a desktop version in the 13.04 dir
[22:51] <knome> (and a pink wallpaper!)
[22:51] <knome> (not really.)
[22:51] <knome> carrera, that's correct
[22:52] <carrera> knome, that's great news. thank u sir!  :)
[22:52] <carrera> so which one do u like more, KDE or Gnome?  ;)
[22:52] <knome> xfce.
[22:53] <carrera> is that why your nick is knome?  ;)
[22:53] <knome> nope
[22:54] <carrera> then, what does it stand for
[22:54] <knome> it's something completely unrelated. also,
[22:54] <knome> !ot
[22:55] <carrera> knome, cool. thanks!  :)
[23:09] <carrera> will 13.04 dektop have no problems with nVidia GPUs?
[23:09] <mesa> yo
[23:09] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: I don't think anyone in the world could guarantee that.
[23:10] <mesa> so i just installed xubuntu. whats up. didnt expect there to be a lot of people here honestly.
[23:10] <carrera> I remember having to use the alternate edition with ubuntu
[23:10] <SonikkuAmerica> mesa: We all showed up here after Mr. Supreme World Dictator (hint, hint) introduced "Unity."
[23:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Funny, his nick is sabdfl
[23:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Actually, we never dehumanize Mark Shuttleworth THAT badly, but...
[23:12] <mesa> Ah, nice nice. I can understand that. I don't know who it actually was who introduced the unity in ubuntu, but I am looking for the most low resource os that I can
[23:12] <SonikkuAmerica> ...let's just say that no DE (not even GNOME 3) caused as much DISunity.
[23:12] <mesa> haha
[23:12] <SonikkuAmerica> mesa: How 'bout Lubuntu?
[23:12] <mesa> nah, i liked the look of this one right now.
[23:12] <SonikkuAmerica> k I follow, I actually use Ubuntu Studio.
[23:12] <carrera> SonikkuAmerica, sabdfl?
[23:13] <mesa> I installed gentoo a while back on another laptop but I dont want to fuck with it until I learn a whole lot more
[23:13] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: It stands for Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life.
[23:13] <mesa> I am trying to learn C coding and am looking at doing the Linux from scratch
[23:13] <carrera> LOL
[23:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Google it
[23:13] <mesa> I liked Tiny-Core, but that shit is crazy if you are trying to get wifi to work.
[23:13] <SonikkuAmerica> mesa: Try cplusplus.com ; it's for C++ but most of it is quite similar.
[23:14] <SonikkuAmerica> In fact, regarding disunity...
[23:14] <SonikkuAmerica> !disunited
[23:14] <mesa> yeah I have a couple pdfs of college level textbooks, some with a lot of good reviews.
[23:14] <carrera> mesa: read the bible by Brian Kernighan and the late Dennis Ritchie
[23:15] <mesa> lol what carerra?
[23:15] <SonikkuAmerica> mesa: The C++ bible, not the Christian Bible
[23:15] <carrera> mesa, The C Programming Language
[23:15] <SonikkuAmerica> ^ Yeah tha.
[23:15] <SonikkuAmerica> t
[23:15] <mesa> I figured that as much, but is that the name of the bible?
[23:15] <mesa> C++ bible?
[23:15] <SonikkuAmerica> C bible
[23:15] <mesa> cool deal.
[23:16] <carrera> I donno if the C++ book by Bjourne Stroustrop was ever called the C++ bible
[23:16] <carrera> it was a very hard book to read
[23:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Juan Soulie's online reference was my textbook for C++ I
[23:16] <carrera> The C++ Primer by Stanley Lipman was a much easier read
[23:17] <mesa> yeah i took a little of java programming at college, and some other stuff but I dropped out. so I underrstand some principals
[23:19] <carrera> C++ Language Tutorial,  by: Juan Soulié, Last revision: June, 2007
[23:19] <SonikkuAmerica> carrera: Soulié made cplusplus.com
[23:21] <carrera> SonikkuAmerica, oh, ok. I didn't know of him