[07:23] <diplo> Morning all
[07:48] <popey> Morning!
[07:50] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:29] <diplo>     function onHold($limit, $offset) {
[08:29] <diplo>         $this->db->select('*')
[08:29] <diplo>                 ->from($this->item_table)
[08:29] <diplo>                 ->join($this->links_table, "{$this->item_table}.itemID = {$this->links_table}.itemID", 'LEFT')
[08:29] <diplo>                 ->join($this->stock_table, "{$this->item_table}.IAK = {$this->stock_table}.stock_iak", 'LEFT')
[08:29] <diplo>                 ->where(array("{$this->links_table}.itemID" => null));
[08:30] <diplo> arse
[08:30] <diplo> Sorry guys :D
[08:32] <MooDoo> lol
[08:33] <diplo> Putty + right click paste is good, but not when you do it by mistake
[08:33] <diplo> :P
[08:33] <MooDoo> been there done that lol
[08:41] <BigRedS> I do wonder how much source code leakage is from people right-clicking on IRC windows
[08:41] <diplo> heh
[08:41] <diplo> First time for me, but probably a bit
[08:41] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, and happy Primrose Day everyone! :-D
[08:42] <MooDoo> lol
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: I just finished Mockingjay (Hunger Games 3/3).. how appropriate :)
[08:53] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, It is?  Sorry, I'm not familiar with the Hunger Games series.
[08:54] <JamesTait> I should really start reading more fiction again.
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: you should :)
[08:57] <JamesTait> I seem to have swapped Pratchett for various other forms of hocus pocus, magic incantations and sourcery.
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: ah, you fell prey to (some of the) "doorstop" fantasy series?
[09:01] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I read a lot of Pratchett (and Eddings, and others) at Uni.  Don't seem to have (or more likely make) the time these days.
[09:03] <feisar> morning all
[09:04] <feisar> what's happening regarding Ubuntu's release cycle, is 13.04 the last release before rolling?
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Most people I know have started reading those 1000 page epic stories (like the Game of Thrones stuff, etc.).. but I can't stand that kind of "Fantasy" stories :)
[09:05] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I also spent a lot of time at Uni playing and coding on MUDs, most of which were of that genre. ;) I'm not sure which came first, but they probably fed each other.
[09:11] <BigRedS> feisar: I don't think rolling has been decided on, has it?
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> I think they discussed it in a podcast
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> so popey knows
[09:12] <BigRedS> a podcast? How modern
[09:12] <popey> hmm?
[09:12] <BigRedS> Since I've stopped spending 4hrs a week on a motorway I've almost completely stopped listening to podcasts...
[09:12] <feisar> oh right, I wasn't sure
[09:12] <directhex> since i stopped taking the bus i stopped playing handheld games
[09:13] <JamesTait> BigRedS, me too.
[09:13]  * JamesTait spots a theme.
[09:13] <popey> no, there will be 13.04, 13.10 and 14.04...
[09:13] <BigRedS> I'd really like an idiot-proof device that I could give a bunch of podcast feeds to and have it play those whenever I turn it on, as a radio replacement
[09:14] <BigRedS> but I can't quite be bothred to create one
[09:15] <feisar> BigRedS: I wouldn't describe it as idiot proof exactly but Subsonic combined with a phone client would come pretty close to that
[09:17] <BigRedS> Anything involving phones isn't idiot proof for me :) Mine's got a flat battery ~20% of the time
[09:19] <feisar> sure, I was fortunate enough to get a Nexus 4 for Christmas so it works for me : )
[09:19] <Myrtti> I think the "rolling release", AFAIK, will be for n+1 version
[09:19] <Myrtti> ie. people who want to keep using the developmental version can do that with less hassle
[09:19] <Myrtti> normal users see no difference
[09:20] <feisar> Myrtti: that sounds good
[09:20] <Myrtti> popey will probably stab me for this
[09:22] <popey> I will?
[09:22] <Myrtti> did I explain it wrong?
[09:23] <Myrtti> I don't know if I even myself understood what I said
[09:23] <popey> me either ☻
[09:23] <popey> ask Laney
[09:23] <Laney> WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTT
[09:23] <popey> that whole conversation was a disaster
[09:24] <Laney> i've been busy watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbIOD_elAgo
[09:25] <popey> that's excellent
[09:25] <Laney> What I understand came out of that discussion is that the non-LTS releases will be supported for less time than before (9 months IIRC), and that there will be a way for people to always stay on the dev. release.
[09:26] <Laney> So imagine a symlink raring → development-release that you can put in your sources.list, which then upgrades you to swanky sloth next week.
[09:26] <directhex> more people running +1? sounds like a recipe for unbotability
[09:27] <Laney> Not sure it'll result in more people running it
[09:27] <mungbean> 9 month support is from release date, right?
[09:27] <BigRedS> botability?
[09:27] <Laney> right
[09:27] <directhex> bootability
[09:27] <directhex> typing from bed is hard
[09:27] <Laney> I don't remember what the precise number of months is
[09:27] <BigRedS> I'd probably tend towards a rolling release dev one if it was likely to end up repeatedly fixed
[09:27] <mungbean> hence, in 5 months, who's gonna install 13.04?
[09:27] <BigRedS> like Debian testing
[09:28] <feisar> and is there a set period between LTS?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> 2 years
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> I guess
[09:29] <mungbean> with 9 mth support, you only get people installing within first couple of months.
[09:29] <mungbean> it will get messy
[09:29] <mungbean> but hopefully it will mean better support for LTS users?
[09:29] <feisar> I'm feeling that makes LTS really the only way to go for me then
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: it's like that already
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: people don't install 13.04 when 13.10 comes out, do they? Either LTS or latest..
[09:30] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: but why install at 2 months away from 13.10
[09:30] <mungbean> u only have 5 months left of support
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> lts ;)
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> or you install 13.04 and upgrade as soon as 13.10 comes out
[09:32] <mungbean> LTS
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> LTS still gets several years of support, I guess?
[09:33] <mungbean> 5 i think
[09:33] <mungbean> but "support"
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> security updates + hardware enablement, I guess
[09:33] <mungbean> lots of bugs on LTS don't get backported to LTS
[09:33] <MooDoo> it's a shame you can't go from LTS to latest using upgrade-manafer
[09:34] <BigRedS> MooDoo: hah, yeah, some of our Ubuntu machines became centos 'cause of a bug opened in 2010...
[09:34] <MooDoo> nothing wrong with centos :D
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: because they don't have bugs
[09:35] <BigRedS> Nah, it's way less atrocious than it was last time we used it
[09:35] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I like centos, then again it's just rhel isn't it really
[09:35] <Myrtti> I care about this way too much for a person who doesn't even use Ubuntu anymore
[09:36] <MooDoo> Myrtti: what you using now?
[09:36] <BigRedS> I think we're essentialyl replacing Ubuntu with CentOS as our "enterprisey long-term stability" suggested distro
[09:36] <Myrtti> the point of the 9 month support is with the mobile devices
[09:36] <MooDoo> BigRedS: sounds good :D
[09:36] <Myrtti> Desktop users are strongly encouraged to use LTS's
[09:36] <Myrtti> MooDoo: Debian
[09:36] <BigRedS> MooDoo: yeah, we end up then with Debian and CentOS, so all our software is from the late '90s
[09:36] <MooDoo> Myrtti: then yes you care to much, but that's a good thing :)
[09:41] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:41] <popey> 10:33:31 < mungbean> lots of bugs on LTS don't get backported to LTS
[09:41] <popey> such as?
[09:43] <bigcalm> Somebody at VM doesn't like me http://www.speedtest.net/result/2655699819.png
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: awww
[09:43] <popey> ouch
[09:43] <bigcalm> Yeah
[09:43]  * bigcalm reboots the modem
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> upload more ;)
[09:43] <popey> interesting, mine is down to 20Mb/s
[09:44] <popey> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2655701704.png
[09:45] <ahayzen> Wheatley campus :) http://www.speedtest.net/result/2655702833.png
[09:46] <bigcalm> Rebooted the modem and now I can't even start a speed test
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: irc works though
[09:46] <bigcalm> FWP?
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> [  3]  0.0-20.0 sec   222 MBytes  92.8 Mbits/sec
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> hmm iperf :)
[09:46] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: indeed, and I was able to connect to speedtest.net. But their test isn't actually going anywhere for me
[09:48] <bigcalm> That's better http://www.speedtest.net/result/2655707306.png
[09:48] <bigcalm> I dislike rebooting things to fix them though
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> yeah it feels wrong
[09:50] <NET||abuse> hi guys.
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> \o NET||abuse
[09:51] <NET||abuse> so got the microserver up and running, and was looking to see how it performs, did an scp transfer on hte local network from my laptop, was in around the 200KB/s which is pooor
[09:51] <NET||abuse> was over hardwaire on a netgear 1Gbit switch
[09:51] <ahayzen> Speed on Wheatley LAN ... http://speedtest.net/result/2655711450.png ... I win :)
[09:51] <NET||abuse> hardwaire?? heh, funny word.. over thernet.
[09:52] <NET||abuse> ethernet... arrg.g. thats' what happens when you go to sleep at 4am and getup for work the next day
[09:52] <Myrtti> if it's a relatively low end microserver, the ssh encryption can add noticeable amounts of overhead
[09:52] <bigcalm> 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: ip -s link
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: anything in the error columns?
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: ethtool eth0 -> did autonegotiation work properly (is the cable known-good? try another cable anyway!)
[09:52] <NET||abuse> MartijnVdS: ooh, that's funky,, never used that before.. i'll have to run the transfer tonight after work and monitor that.
[09:53] <NET||abuse> autonegotation?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: and what Myrtti said.. encryption = lots of CPU cycles.. try "scp -c arcfour" for a CPU-friendlier (but maybe not as safe) cipher
[09:53] <NET||abuse> oh between the switch and machines.
[09:53] <bigcalm> Cat attack
[09:54] <NET||abuse> yeh, i was thinking the cpu limit might be a factor. i was just going to use something like an nfs share or even a http wget to see how they perform on the same link
[09:54] <NET||abuse> i'll run some more tests tonight and see how they perform.
[09:54] <NET||abuse> the n40L has a decent processor though.
[09:54] <Myrtti> the speed difference with NFS vs. sftp/sshfs was noticeable even on my 10mbit home lan few years ago, when I had a Dell minitower from about 2004 as a server
[09:55] <NET||abuse> yeh, well i'll definately be curious to see my results tonight
[09:55] <Myrtti> if the network is secure and on ethernet, there's no reason for using ssh
[09:56] <NET||abuse> reports from the internets of other n40L owners say they see transfer speeds of 125MB/sec on gigabit ethernet in their tests
[09:56] <NET||abuse> yeh, it's my home network so of course,, but scp was the easiest to try first
[09:56] <NET||abuse> setup of nfs is something i always seem to get a headache over
[09:56] <Myrtti> I don't even try nfs nowadays
[09:56] <NET||abuse> even though it should really be the simplest.. non encrypted stuff.
[09:57] <Myrtti> it was easier than samba in 2007, but things have changed
[09:57] <NET||abuse> oh, what's your transport of choice for a trusted link?
[09:57] <BigRedS> Myrtti: what's changed? It's still easier than samba! :)
[09:58] <Myrtti> BigRedS: not sure if there was some issues with nfs integration to nautilus/thunar that made me switch, it's been a good few months
[09:58] <NET||abuse> hehe, i think there's a weird fog of misticism around nfs for some people (like me)
[09:58] <NET||abuse> it's probably much muhc simpler in practice than i think it is.
[09:59] <popey> [  4]  0.0-10.1 sec  61.1 MBytes  50.8 Mbits/sec
[09:59] <popey> between my desktop and microserver
[09:59] <NET||abuse> popey: aww, what transport?
[09:59] <popey> but that's over powerline
[09:59] <NET||abuse> powerline?? hahah, you got those pogo plugs?
[09:59] <popey> that's iperf
[09:59] <popey> yes
[09:59] <NET||abuse> awsoem..
[10:00] <Darael> AV2OO?
[10:00] <popey> yes
[10:00] <popey> devolo
[10:00] <NET||abuse> i used them in an apartment about 5 years ago... then after a few weeks realized my neighbours were stealing my internet through their own plug
[10:00] <popey> with encryption
[10:00] <popey> my neighbours can't do that ☻
[10:00] <bigcalm> NET||abuse: from my N40L to my workstation: 68MB  22.6MB/s. That's a kernel file, possibly not big enough to really test via scp
[10:00] <NET||abuse> dodgy apartments with cheeply wired electrics back in Dublin :)
[10:01] <Myrtti> we've got powerline to connect upstairs with downstairs
[10:01] <NET||abuse> bigcalm: is that using scp?
[10:01] <BigRedS> Myrtti: ah, I've never tried to do it in nautilus. And, actually, I've not done it for a good few months either
[10:01] <bigcalm> NET||abuse: yes
[10:01] <BigRedS> All that sort of thing that I do now is temporary enough that I just use sshfs
[10:02] <NET||abuse> damn, so i've got something really crappy going on with my network maybe.
[10:02] <popey> NET||abuse: no, you can encrypt the data so people can't steal your internets
[10:02] <NET||abuse> :) i was using some pretty cheepy plugs
[10:02] <BigRedS> NET||abuse: nah, that's pretty standardly-wired electircs
[10:02] <Myrtti> what's the current Viglen MPC-L/microserver choice of the channel?
[10:02] <BigRedS> mains electricity wasn't really designed for secure signal handling :)
[10:02] <popey> heh
[10:02] <Myrtti> the HP microserver thing?
[10:02] <Myrtti> RasPi?
[10:02] <bigcalm> Myrtti: HP N40L (microserver) or similar
[10:03] <BigRedS> it's really comon for baby monitors to conflict between neighbors, for example
[10:03] <popey> depends on use case
[10:03] <popey> N50 now
[10:03] <NET||abuse> N50.. oooh,, need to lookup the specs
[10:03] <bigcalm> I don't see a need to replacing the n40 I have any time soon :)
[10:03] <popey> sorry, n54
[10:03] <NET||abuse> N54L
[10:03] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/430446-proliant-microserver-turion-2-2-2gb-250gb-nhpl-sata-lff-in-704941-421
[10:04] <Myrtti> I feel uneasy with D having RoR stuff and apache and god knows what on his laptop and I've told him he could use my Viglen as a server, but he doesn't want to mess with my box
[10:04] <popey> ~200 with cashback
[10:04] <NET||abuse> yeh, don't see a big up on the spec.
[10:04] <funkyHat> I got my first MicroServer for ~£120 after cashback ⢁(
[10:04]  * BigRedS feels sorry for anybody who has RoR stuff
[10:05] <NET||abuse> yeh i got my n40L  for £80 after/cashbackjust before christmas
[10:05] <bigcalm> This is the company I got my n40L from with 100 quid cashback: http://www.serversplus.com/servers/tower_servers/hp_tower_servers/704941-421
[10:05] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: I was "investigating" RoR yesterday
[10:05] <SuperMatt> which mainly meant banging my head on the table
[10:05] <bigcalm> Though the cashback is directly with HP
[10:05] <NET||abuse> of course another 40 on ram upgrade and 120 worth of hard drives in it :)
[10:06] <SuperMatt> I've come to the conclusion that RoR has been designed for developers to get something running quickly, but if you're an sysadmin, you've got to work real hard to get stuff working well
[10:06] <SuperMatt> there's also ZERO documentation about successful RoR administration
[10:06] <bigcalm> You'll want to up the RAM and add more storage. That's where the price bumps up a bit
[10:07] <NET||abuse> so if getting 200Kb/s on a  transfer of 400 MB file over gigabit ethernet,, even using scp, the n40L should be capable of much faster than that anyway? so i've got a network issue
[10:07] <bigcalm> popey: did somebody say that these microservers can actually take up to 16gb ram?
[10:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:07] <popey> someone did yeah
[10:07] <funkyHat> And there I was thinking I'd maxed mine out...
[10:07] <popey> http://n40l.wikia.com/wiki/Memory
[10:08] <bigcalm> Ta
[10:09] <bigcalm> 8gb ecc is working well enough for me for now. Especially as work bought the ram :)
[10:09] <Myrtti> then again D also has a san box waiting to be filled with hard drives
[10:10] <popey> alan@homeserver:~$ sudo btrfs filesystem df /srv
[10:10] <popey> Data, RAID1: total=8.14TB, used=6.20TB
[10:11] <popey> zoiks
[10:11] <popey> I should clear up a bit
[10:12] <funkyHat> wat. Did not know there are 4TB drives available now
[10:12] <NET||abuse> yeh, i got the same as you bigcalm
[10:12] <NET||abuse> 8GB ecc.. have you done the modified bios replacement?
[10:13] <NET||abuse> i have a pop out drive bay in the top of it but i've not got it working yet as the sata interface isn't making itself available even when i set ahci mode on the bios
[10:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:15] <jussi> heya all. Can someone here tell me how to get to milton keynes from gatwick via public transport?  :D
[10:16] <jussi> morning davmor2 :)
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> jussi train?
[10:16] <SuperMatt> jussi: what station would you normally pull in to if you went to london?
[10:16] <popey> jussi: http://nationalrail.co.uk
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gatwick to Victori or London Bridge (I guess)
[10:16] <jussi> SuperMatt: No idea :D
[10:16] <Laney> www.transportdirect.info
[10:16] <funkyHat> gatwick express to Liverpool Street(?), Northern line to Euston, London Midland or Virgin train to Milton Keynes
[10:16] <popey> http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/GTW/MKC/today/1130/dep
[10:17] <davmor2> jussi: tube to London, from there to Euston, Euston to milton Keynes on one of the many trains
[10:17] <Laney> hahaha
[10:17] <popey> tube?
[10:17] <popey> no
[10:17] <Laney> I love the guessing
[10:17] <shauno> if coach is an option too, national express do gatwick-milton keynes often enough
[10:18] <SuperMatt> hurm
[10:18] <Seeker`> Jetpack to London, hovercraft across the thames, then unicycle to MK?
[10:18] <SuperMatt> euston isn't so good for tubes to gatwick
[10:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> But how come nobody has asked the really important question? ...
[10:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> WHY Milton Keynes?
[10:18] <SuperMatt> could do euston -> kings x -> gatwick
[10:18] <popey> heh, i was thinking that
[10:18] <popey> and also wondering who would ask it first
[10:18] <popey> well done
[10:19] <popey> Data, RAID1: total=8.14TB, used=6.08TB
[10:19] <popey> better
[10:19] <Myrtti> rockets.
[10:19] <SuperMatt> oh wait...
[10:19] <SuperMatt> gatwick, not heathrow >.<
[10:19] <SuperMatt> in which case
[10:19] <SuperMatt> euston -> tube to vicroria -> gatwick express
[10:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> I see there is a one change service via Clapham... A bit slower but cheaper
[10:19] <SuperMatt> indeddc
[10:20] <shauno> just take a coach and avoid going through london in the first place
[10:20] <SuperMatt> but if you're not too confident, I would take the express
[10:20] <funkyHat> Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
[10:20] <funkyHat> Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.
[10:20] <funkyHat> C:\Windows\system32>set vmrunguestlinux="C:\Program Files (x86)\VMware\VMware Se
[10:20] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: a potential client :D
[10:20] <funkyHat> rver\vmrun" -T server -h https://127.0.0.1:8333/sdk -u vmcopy -p Wa11street  -gu qa002o -gp Wa11street
[10:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - sit on the M25 instead ;-)
[10:20] <funkyHat> C:\Windows\system32>set vmrunhost="C:\Program Files (x86)\VMware\VMware Server\v
[10:20] <funkyHat> mrun" -T server -h https://127.0.0.1:8333/sdk -u vmcopy -p Wa11street
[10:20] <Myrtti> funkyHat: tsk.
[10:20] <funkyHat> C:\Windows\system32>%vmrunguestlinux% register "[D] copy_to_esx/R505_QA_REGION_2
[10:20] <SuperMatt> combo breaker
[10:20] <funkyHat> 013-04-17/qa002.vmx"
[10:20] <SuperMatt> phew
[10:24] <funkyHat> Amazing. Sorry everyone
[10:24] <funkyHat> paste fail with passwords and everything!
[10:24]  * diplo did it earlier :) not as badly as you though
[10:25] <diplo> :P
[10:27] <NET||abuse> that was some epic password leakage there ... :P
[10:27] <NET||abuse> why are you running a linux guest on a windows host.. ughghhg
[10:27]  * NET||abuse shivers in disgust
[10:28] <MooDoo> change your passwords too as this channel is logged remember
[10:28] <NET||abuse> yeh, you're login will be googlable
[10:29] <NET||abuse> i have a stack of 11 different switches i'm going to take home with me and do transfer speed tests with my microsever tonight, i have a feeling i have a few netgear switches which have faults
[10:31] <NET||abuse> ultimately a better dsl router would be nice too though,, i have sky's crappy dsl netgear wifi router
[10:31] <NET||abuse> i get about 12Mbit download and 1Mbit up
[10:31] <NET||abuse> not hte worst in the universe but i've seen much much better
[10:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh I am starving! Wonder what lunch will be today?
[10:40] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: ham sandwich with mustard and a cold pint ;)
[10:41] <shauno> a car door?
[10:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> I will be drinking this evening and try and avoid lunchtimes unless I have no work in the afternoon. Nice idea on the sarny front though. But fancy something hot.
[10:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> shauno: Thanks.
[10:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> My face is now almost back to normal.
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone want to see this morning's picture?
[10:42] <shauno> good to hear :)
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> The chippy is rather appealing right now...
[10:46] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: we'll see your picture on google+ i'm sure
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm planning on doing a 7 day montage tomorrow :-)
[10:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> So the question is: Saveloy, Battered Sausage, Pie, Fish, Fish Cake, Burger... What to accompany chips & curry sauce?
[10:51] <brobostigon> pie, battered sausage, chips and curry sauce. :)
[10:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pie AND Battered Sausage - that's a bit hardcore for me I think.
[10:52]  * brobostigon is hungry, so maybe is biased.
[10:54] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: welcome to my incredibly active twitter stream :D
[10:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[10:55] <SuperMatt> man, I had my chips on wednesday, I'm way ahead of the curve
[10:57] <jussi> so Im going to wales next week... this should be fun :P
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> jussi: Alan Bell is Wales today
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right am now definitely going for some scran. BBL
[11:00] <jussi> laters :D
[11:05] <davmor2> jussi: is that up to 1 tweet a year now :D
[11:12] <NET||abuse> mmm, friday,, today is my chpper day,, although.. i should be healthy
[11:12] <NET||abuse> i got an interval times on amazon on wednesday cause i'm gonna be so good and start getting fit again.
[11:13] <NET||abuse> yeh, so gonna get chips
[11:13] <NET||abuse> interval times? interval timer..
[11:13] <NET||abuse> arrrg.. 3.5 hours sleep is not enough
[11:14] <jussi> hehe
[11:14] <jussi> davmor2: nah, maybe one every 2 years :D
[11:14] <NET||abuse> just to let teh internet, you're still alive
[11:14] <jussi> davmor2: I find twitter a bit too public tbh
[11:15] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: if you actually want to see something from me, follow/circle me on g+
[11:15] <NET||abuse> yeh, and kind of fruitless.. g+ is better for sources of links/ideas i find
[11:15] <jussi> but I warn you, it will include baby pictures :P
[11:16] <davmor2> jussi: your not getting this internet thing are you, only pictures of cats are allowed on the t'interwebz ;)
[11:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Saveloy, Chips, Curry sauce, followed by some Tangfastics. What a lunch.
[11:18] <brobostigon> :)
[11:19] <jussi> davmor2: are you calling my kid a cat? :P
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> jussi: depends.. are you a furry?
[11:20] <davmor2> jussi: No I'm saying your doing it wrong :P
[11:20] <jussi> hahahaaha
[11:26] <funkyHat> NET||abuse: I don't have much say in what runs on our VM hosts. The IT guys internally use ESX a lot and I think they are starting to use some KVM, but we are stuck with VMware Server and VBox if we want to run our own virtualisation
[11:27] <NET||abuse> your dev box should be linux anyway!!:{
[11:27] <funkyHat> NET||abuse: that's not an option at the moment, and that wasn't a paste from my dev box anyway
[11:28] <NET||abuse> raawwwrrr... stating uncompromising point of view... not interested in argument, closed minded approach to life... and calm.. :P
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: you know admins ;)
[11:28] <Myrtti> you know company policies
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> sysadmins, that is
[11:28] <NET||abuse> :)
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: IT dept. policies*
linux should be on every system, windows has no place in enterprise, too young, too volatile, was a flash in the pan anyway, </moredogma>
[11:31] <NET||abuse> i'm enjoying being facetious today :
[11:33] <Laney> yay my beers from brewdog have shipped
[11:38] <shauno> our IT guys are actually pretty good for that kinda thing.  we're allowed to run whatever the hell we want, on the agreement that they'll kick us off the network if we don't put our toys away when we're done with them
[11:40] <shauno> which has happened :/  we have one box that takes great delight into searching the network for a certain class of devices, attempts to login to them with default credentials, and then sets them to its own config if successful
[11:40] <shauno> plug that into the wrong network and we become very unpopular :(
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> hahaha :)
[12:05] <jussi> argh, USB creator I KILL YOU!
[12:05] <Seeker`> jussi: I think there is a queue for that
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> yeah buddy, get in line</Manhattan accent>
[12:06] <jussi> made a live usb, when I boot it drops to some sort of prompt with "boot:"
[12:06] <jussi> message is: ERROR: No configuration file found!
[12:06] <jussi> No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!
[12:06] <jussi> sigh...
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> jussi: it can't find the boot device
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> might be your BIOS being a PoS
[12:08] <jussi> MartijnVdS: hrm, thats annoying...
[12:08] <jussi> lemme have a look, thanks for the tip
[12:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - it's all going off in Boston. Just told the whole of Boston to stay indoors
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I've been listening all morning.. it's been getting worse and worse
[12:13] <mungbean> USians have a tendency to over react a tad tho
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: well ANYONE could be armed!
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: better to overreact in that case..
[12:14] <mungbean> yeah lets shutdown all public transport
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: he can't get away using a train that way..
[12:15] <jussi> hahah
[12:15] <jussi> hrrr, someone locked this bios... gonna have to call the company tech people to try find out the password... aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhh
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> jussi: you could just paperclip the BIOS jumper :)
[12:16] <jussi> MartijnVdS: that would actually assume a few things... 1. I know where that jumper is, and 2. I am unlazy enough to open this laptop up... :P
[12:27] <Myrtti> hm, I wonder did I leave the BIOS password in
[12:36] <davmor2> jussi: you forgot the important one. 3. had a paperclip
[12:36] <mungbean> i have 4 on my desk
[12:37] <davmor2> mungbean: yeah only jussi is on a train in a country that isn't his own, that makes it slightly less likely that he would have one handy :)
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> which country is that?
[12:38] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: he is in the England
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: old or new?
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> ah wait.. THE
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[12:39] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I was think in the uk but then put England
[14:24] <funkyHat> THE England
[15:18] <czajkowski> popey: Laney http://24.media.tumblr.com/6986166623219890aecb766874bcdd14/tumblr_mldjvvNI0Z1r6uouqo1_500.gif
[15:18] <popey> ☻
[15:19] <Laney> aww
[15:20] <czajkowski> only thing making it better of course would be a pug
[15:37] <czajkowski> Laney: this is awww worthy :) https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7081521152/h91EB9AB2/
[15:40] <Laney> my god
[15:40] <Laney> remind me never to buy one of those
[15:42] <czajkowski> Laney: a pug?
[16:02] <NET||abuse> wow, so my main disk is partitioned in an lvm , but lvm2 wasn't actually installed on the base os install..
[16:04] <NET||abuse> oh, no, seems when i re-installed it didn't use lvm... oops
[16:06] <NET||abuse> hmm, apt-get'ing lvm2 broke
[16:07] <NET||abuse> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-27-generic                cp: reading `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6': Input/output error         cp: failed to extend `/tmp/mkinitramfs_gjPIas//lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6': Input/output error
[16:07] <NET||abuse>   /sbin/ldconfig.real: file /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 is truncated
[16:08] <NET||abuse> Bus Error    E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 135 gzip 0
[16:08] <NET||abuse> does it matter it's running ? :P
[16:10] <NET||abuse> hmm, bugger,, seem just update initramfs-tools craps out, odd..
[16:13] <NET||abuse> alright, will try rebooting
[16:13] <NET||abuse> exit
[16:16] <popey> that looks unwell
[16:16] <popey> bet it doesnt come back from a reboot
[16:17] <^aDaM-iPhone> i hate that had it happen to me when GRUB went on me :(
[16:24]  * davmor2 keeps getting llvm and lvm confused :)
[16:29] <kvarley> I can't remember where I heard it or saw it, I think it might have been in the industry proposition for Ubuntu for Phones. They showed Excel or another office program running on the Ubuntu desktop as an app streamed from a windows server. Does anybody know what this is called?
[16:30] <popey> Ubuntu for Android has this
[16:30] <popey> it's just remote desktop integrated into ubuntu
[16:30] <popey> so you get an Excel icon in the launcher
[16:30] <kvarley> popey: What is it called?
[16:30] <popey> which bit?
[16:30] <kvarley> Like you say, it made the apps have shortcuts and they were streamed from a server
[16:31] <kvarley> Both the server streaming part and the client part
[16:31] <ali1234> it's called RDP
[16:31] <popey> its called remote desktop
[16:31] <popey> RDP is the protocol..
[16:31] <kvarley> Is it Microsoft RDP, Citrix ICA or VMWare View?
[16:31] <popey> all of them
[16:31] <kvarley> Ok :)
[16:31] <popey> it can connect to any of those
[16:31] <kvarley> Is there a guide anywhere on how to set this up on desktop Ubuntu?
[16:32] <popey> !info remmina
[16:32] <kvarley> popey: But how would the icons work?
[16:32] <ali1234> the same way they do with anything else
[16:32] <ali1234> you pin them and they stay on the launcher
[16:32] <popey> yeah, its just an app
[16:32] <kvarley> popey: The thing I saw showed only excel, no other OS running in the background. It just looked like it was running as a native app but it was actually streamed
[16:33] <ali1234> whether or not this actually works is down to unity
[16:33] <popey> you can do that too
[16:33] <popey> there's multiple options
[16:33] <popey> logout and scroll down
[16:33] <popey> there's a remote login option down there, lets you connect to things like this
[16:33] <ali1234> kvarley: multiwindow is part of RDP
[16:33] <ali1234> however it is only enabled on windows server
[16:33] <kvarley> ali1234: Ah ok thanks
[16:33] <kvarley> popey: thanks, as usual you've solved my problem/question :)
[16:34] <ali1234> you can't do it on a consumer version of windows unless you buy citrix
[16:34] <kvarley> This is a brilliant feature, has massive potential
[16:34] <kvarley> ali1234: It's research for a potential business overhaul from windows to Ubuntu \0/
[16:35] <ali1234> you won't be able to get rid of windows
[16:35] <ali1234> you'll still need all the licenses for windows server and office
[16:35] <ali1234> if you use rdp
[16:36] <ali1234> plus everyone will be trying to run office on the same computer which will be incredibly slow
[16:37] <kvarley> Can I get to the login screen on a livecd ?
[16:44] <davmor2> kvarley: lets start at the beginning, First you need a Windows server.  Then you need to install Office onto and make it available via rdp, citrix, vmware. Then you can start looking at add the rdp served app to Ubuntu.  But for an app you can do that by using remina, the login option is more to run an entire windows session via rdp etc rather than an app
[16:46] <kvarley> davmor2: Thanks for the extra detail. I'm intending to build a test environment, if it works then it'll be onto getting it into workplaces
[16:49] <davmor2> kvarley: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/ubuntu-help/sharing-remote-login.html
[16:51] <kvarley> Thanks davmor2
[16:51] <davmor2> kvarley: and http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/ubuntu-12-10-login-screen-adds-remote-desktop-access
[19:07] <mungbean> how can i stop update manager appearing?
[19:22] <zleap> ok i am using lubuntu but afaik it uses the same bit of software
[19:22] <zleap> got to settings and you can set when it checks for updates
[19:24] <^aDaM-iPhone> lo all :)
[19:30] <NET||abuse> yay, continue my N40L server drama.. so the disk i installed the os on.. i think it's in trouble.. every time i try to run vim or nano or something i get kernel messages saying "exception Emask 0x0 .... etc ...   failed command: READ DMA"
[19:30] <NET||abuse> i imagine my disk is scuppered
[19:30] <mungbean> zleap: thanks byt doesnt work. i have edited update-notifier.desktop instead to be vusuble in startup progs
[19:30] <NET||abuse> i've rebooted a few times. and getting the same issue
[19:30] <mungbean> then disabled from there
[19:31] <NET||abuse> i was just trying to update the /etc/networks file to add dns-server as i forgot to add one :)
[19:31] <NET||abuse> but i can't run any text editors
[19:31] <NET||abuse> other commands seem to run ok,
[19:36] <mungbean> dmesg ?
[19:38] <popey> NET||abuse: try a different cable
[19:38] <popey> you can get those errors with a duff cable - I know i have
[19:38] <NET||abuse> it's in one ofthe drive bays, not a sperate cable.
[19:39] <NET||abuse> i've not got the top bay working yet.
[19:39] <NET||abuse> so it's in slot 1 in the 4 disk bay
[19:40] <NET||abuse> shutdown now and have an inspection of the bay, but i don't think that'll be it.
[19:41] <NET||abuse> i'll be having to run spinrite or something now
[19:45] <zleap> mungbean, ok np
[19:50] <brobostigon> tonights new HIGNFY should be good, warwick davis presenting,
[19:52] <NET||abuse> right, re-seated connections
[19:52] <NET||abuse> nope, still broken. and it's really specific.. just running vim will trigger the exact evrror every time.
[19:53] <NET||abuse> ragghghgh,, why won't the technology just bloody work!!
[19:53] <NET||abuse> old disks, my own fault.
[19:58] <NET||abuse> right, need usb stick and time to re-install AGAIN!!!! arrrg
[19:58] <NET||abuse> have another 250GB disk i can use.
[19:59] <SuperMatt> hurm, just put xfce on my latop, and find it rather pleasant
[20:11] <mungbean> still on elementary here
[20:12] <SuperMatt> ooh, now there's a thought
[20:12] <SuperMatt> stable or daily?
[20:13] <SuperMatt> looks like I'm gonna need daily for raring
[20:16] <mungbean> y u need raring?
[20:16] <mungbean> best use 1204+elentary ppa
[20:16] <mungbean> or daily
[20:16] <SuperMatt> because I already have raring installed ;)
[20:22] <NET||abuse> hmm, using the ubuntu-server image, from usb stickit took like 3 hours to install. why is that?
[20:23] <NET||abuse> if i disconnected the network it failed the install altogether. i don't want to pull down stuff from th enet if it's already on the usb stick, i can do updates later.
[20:27] <brobostigon> now that was one good HIGNFY ep, :)
[20:28] <popey> NET||abuse: 3 hours?
[20:29] <popey> do you mean 23 minutes?
[20:47] <NET||abuse> nope, yesterday and day before, i made usb stick with unetbootin, selecting the 12-10 server iso,, it seemed to boot the installer, yet wanted to retrieve all packages like it were a net installer
[20:47] <NET||abuse> used usb creator this time, seems to be quicker
[20:47] <NET||abuse> retreiving 69 files at the mo.. but seems like it's not net-installing this time.
[20:53] <NET||abuse> yeh, that was the problem, it was in net-installer mode last time.. doh :( silly me.
[21:44] <Laney> grr
[21:44] <popey> grr?
[21:44] <Laney> how can samsung get away with force installing "knowhow movies" on my tv, and making it uninstallable
[21:44] <Laney> ununinstallable?
[21:45] <popey> like google, apple, microsoft do on tablets?
[21:46] <Laney> dunno, never experienced anything like this
[21:46] <Laney> "Smart hub needs to update to continue"
[21:46] <popey> http://ubuntuone.com/217v1LMlA81PC4n34ZtvtG
[21:46] <popey> *stab*
[21:46] <popey> _hate_ that dialog
[21:47] <Laney> then BBC iPlayer has gone away and in its place is KNOWHOW Movies
[21:47] <Laney> hateful
[21:48]  * popey breaks out xkill
[21:48] <ali1234> this is when RMS points and laughs at you for buying hardware with proprietary firmware