| * micahg hopes he didn't forget to upload something... | 01:21 | |
| holstein | micahg: we'll forgive you if you did :) | 02:49 |
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| holstein | zequence: question | 02:49 |
| holstein | doesnt our irc client point to #ubuntustudio? | 02:49 |
| len-1304 | holstein, no | 03:05 |
| len-1304 | There is a menu item in the ubuntustudio submenu that does though | 03:05 |
| len-1304 | holstein, The changes needed to make ubuntustudio the default in the default settings are too much | 03:06 |
| len-1304 | xchat does not have a place we can put default settings in. That stuff is all part of the binary :P | 03:09 |
| holstein | i see | 03:10 |
| len-1304 | clear as mud? | 03:10 |
| holstein | :) | 03:11 |
| len-live | From what I saw on the release channel we should be treating the daily builds as release candidates and be testing them as such | 04:08 |
| smartboyhw | zequence: Archive FinalFreezed now \o/ | 10:15 |
| * smartboyhw is proposing that we should remove the 12.10 link in this single channel | 10:21 | |
| smartboyhw | Hey DarkEra | 10:41 |
| DarkEra | hi smartboyhw | 10:42 |
| DarkEra | i guess the rc release is postponed | 10:42 |
| smartboyhw | DarkEra: Not sure. | 10:42 |
| DarkEra | pretty sure, 18 was the release day and that was yesterday :) | 10:43 |
| smartboyhw | DarkEra: No worries, I will inform the whole world that it i ready for testing. | 10:43 |
| DarkEra | :) | 10:43 |
| DarkEra | by the way, i start think that xorg x server - core server update screwed it up on the 13.04 | 10:45 |
| smartboyhw | DarkEra: Uh oh. Report bug? | 10:45 |
| DarkEra | not done yet | 10:45 |
| zequence | DarkEra: You mean about the temperature? | 10:46 |
| DarkEra | but, the graphics card temperature went up way high yesterday and the problem is still there. Using 12.04 at the moment | 10:46 |
| DarkEra | zequence, yep | 10:47 |
| zequence | DarkEra: Did you try blowing out the fan outtake yet? | 10:47 |
| DarkEra | yes i did | 10:47 |
| zequence | DarkEra: There is another possibility. The temp reader may be the problem | 10:48 |
| zequence | DarkEra: And, just anything adding to increased activity | 10:48 |
| DarkEra | it's not a hardware issue, i'm pretty sure. 13.04 worked great until after the updates | 10:48 |
| smartboyhw | zequence: I need to prepare all the announcements before Wednesday. I'm having a test on Friday so no computer for Thursday. I'll still be here to do the actual releasing, but not doing any QA. | 10:49 |
| DarkEra | i have two other distro's running on this machine and the fan is almost silent | 10:49 |
| DarkEra | when using them | 10:49 |
| zequence | DarkEra: Did you measure CPU temp? | 10:50 |
| smartboyhw | DarkEra: The RC images are held up by the language packs. | 10:50 |
| DarkEra | smartboyhw, ah, ok. Thanks :) | 10:50 |
| DarkEra | zequence, how? | 10:50 |
| zequence | DarkEra: install sensord | 10:51 |
| zequence | DarkEra: Then, do: sudo sensors-detect | 10:52 |
| zequence | DarkEra: And to see the temps: sensors | 10:52 |
| DarkEra | gonna write that down and boot into 13.04 later | 10:53 |
| zequence | DarkEra: It's of course possible that one will make the other warmer, since the air inside gets warmer | 10:53 |
| zequence | DarkEra: How was the fan outtake? I did a couple of really hard blows, and man, there was dust there I couldn't have imagined, since I didn't see it with my eyes | 10:55 |
| zequence | ..before I blew it | 10:55 |
| DarkEra | if you look at the GPU temp on 12.04 through nvidia-setting at the moment it's 58°C. By now it would have been 75 to 78°C by now. I'll check both again when on 13.04 and i was just thinking about that too that one heats up the other | 10:55 |
| smartboyhw | zequence: I only got high temps when I am either building software or doing QA. | 10:56 |
| DarkEra | zequence, i clean it from time to time so there wasn't too much dust in it :) | 10:56 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: In other words, whenever you put stress on the CPU? | 10:56 |
| smartboyhw | zequence: Yeah. And RAM. | 10:57 |
| zequence | RAM won't make the temp higher though | 10:57 |
| zequence | I mean, using more RAM, that is | 10:58 |
| DarkEra | bbl, checking 13.04 | 11:11 |
| DarkEra | zequence, i check on 13.04. This is the output taken with intervals of a few seconds and within a minute: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5721291/ | 11:33 |
| DarkEra | you clearly see the GPU temp rising | 11:33 |
| DarkEra | the CPU stays around the same temperature from what i can tell | 11:35 |
| smartboyhw_ | DarkEra: Someone reported a bug having simliar issues as yours, but found out it was also a problem in -generic. | 11:40 |
| DarkEra | so it's not related to the kernel (which i found out already) or ubuntu studio. | 11:42 |
| DarkEra | smartboyhw_, that's also on 13.04? | 11:43 |
| zequence | DarkEra: At this point, it's hard to say | 11:49 |
| zequence | DarkEra: You could try installing the same kernel on 12.04 | 11:49 |
| DarkEra | i have a better idea | 11:49 |
| DarkEra | install 13.04 again and not pull in the xorg x server - core server update | 11:50 |
| zequence | DarkEra: It would be easier, and quicker, if you installed the kernel | 11:50 |
| zequence | DarkEra: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/linux-image-generic | 11:50 |
| zequence | Just download it, and install it manually | 11:50 |
| zequence | There was also a PPA for kernel backports, but I don't have it | 11:51 |
| zequence | DarkEra: To install proprietary drivers, or any other kind of modules, you'll need the headers http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/linux-headers-generic | 11:54 |
| zequence | I mean, to build modules.. | 11:55 |
| DarkEra | i know :) | 11:55 |
| zequence | DarkEra: I'd appreciate it if you could install the kernel on 12.04 and see if there's a difference | 11:56 |
| zequence | There was a guy with the same kind of problem here before, but I think he also updated the xorg stuff, so that was not very helpful | 11:56 |
| zequence | on 12.04, that is | 11:57 |
| zequence | I mean, he had heating problems the newer the release was, and 13.04 was the worst. But, when he installed a newere kernel to 12.04, I think he also installed a newer X | 11:57 |
| zequence | I was trying to help him, but I was away each time he was in | 11:58 |
| zequence | And now, he's not responding anymore | 11:58 |
| DarkEra | ok, no problem. I'll do it to help out and make sure :) | 11:59 |
| DarkEra | zequence, sorry, can't install them | 12:29 |
| DarkEra | Dependency is not satisfiable: linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic | 12:31 |
| DarkEra | i have to go in a few so i leave the stuff as is | 12:32 |
| zequence | DarkEra: That's the package you should isntall | 12:46 |
| zequence | DarkEra: Not the meta package | 12:46 |
| zequence | DarkEra: Which arch is it? | 12:47 |
| zequence | hmm, the packages were not downloadable http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/amd64/linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic/download | 12:50 |
| zequence | oh, no, sorry | 12:50 |
| zequence | there's the mirrors below | 12:50 |
| zequence | That's for 64bit | 12:50 |
| smartboyhw_ | :O | 12:50 |
| zequence | and this is the 32bit http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/i386/linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic/download | 12:51 |
| zequence | Another way is to change the apt to say "raring" instead of "precise", do sudo apt-get update, and then only install the kernel, nothing else, if already installed: sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade linux-generic | 12:52 |
| zequence | in /etc/apt/sources.list | 12:52 |
| zequence | Not sure if the last will work | 12:52 |
| smartboyhw_ | zequence: Will there be an S kernel blueprint? I would like linux-lts-raring-lowlatency in 12.04.3 (if that doesn't kill you off maintenance and regression testing. | 12:55 |
| zequence | smartboyhw_: Why would you like to have that kernel? | 12:58 |
| smartboyhw_ | zequence: Hardware enablement? | 12:58 |
| smartboyhw_ | That's the reason Ubuntu has linux-lts-raring-generic | 12:59 |
| smartboyhw_ | Or maybe add in linux-rt? | 13:00 |
| zequence | We should look at adding linux-rt for 14.04 | 13:01 |
| smartboyhw_ | zequence: Mmm kay;) | 13:01 |
| zequence | Doing a SRU for the LTS is not really a S blueprint. I'll look into that | 13:02 |
| DarkEra | zequence, i'm on 64bit | 13:02 |
| smartboyhw_ | zequence: \o/ | 13:02 |
| DarkEra | but i gotta run now. bbl :) | 13:02 |
| zequence | DarkEra: See you later | 13:03 |
| zequence | smartboyhw_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-ubuntustudio | 13:10 |
| zequence | Sorry, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-t-kernel | 13:11 |
| smartboyhw_ | zequence: Whoo hoo! | 13:11 |
| * smartboyhw_ subscribes to blueprint. | 13:12 | |
| zequence | smartboyhw_: I haven't at all looked at what the -rt patch consists of, but it is possible that we don't need the entire patch in order for us to get a good realtime kernel | 13:14 |
| zequence | It's also quite possible that we would be able to add the patch ourselves to a Ubuntu kernel, which is not supported by the -rt folks | 13:14 |
| zequence | So, one option is to enchance -lowlatency with a patch to make it more realtime | 13:15 |
| zequence | It would be best if we could sync with Ubuntu, but if we can't, and we still want to add a -rt kernel, we add the kernel that is supported then. | 13:16 |
| smartboyhw_ | zequence: +1 | 13:16 |
| * smartboyhw is back! | 14:24 | |
| madeinkobaia | Hi all : ) | 14:45 |
| madeinkobaia | I've got an idea for the social network banners. | 14:47 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia: Do tell us;) | 14:48 |
| madeinkobaia | Hi : ) What about adding a kind of sticker on the banners, with a slogan, something like "13.04 release available now !" we could keep that version with stickers during 2 weeks, since the first day of the released date. | 14:52 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia: Whoa good! | 14:54 |
| madeinkobaia | smartboy : Thanks, well I will try a version with that slogan, but is it correct in English ? Does it sounds good ? | 14:57 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia: extremely good! | 14:58 |
| smartboyhw | zequence: ^ | 14:58 |
| madeinkobaia | smartboy : Have you an idea of the release date (more or less) ? | 15:00 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia… Next thursday | 15:01 |
| madeinkobaia | smartboy : Thanks, so I must hurry a little bit :P | 15:02 |
| madeinkobaia | may I add a "sign of the horns" on it ? 8-) | 15:09 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia: What what? | 15:10 |
| madeinkobaia | smartboy : its the name of the rock'n roll sign : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns | 15:12 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia: No no:P | 15:13 |
| madeinkobaia | smartboy : lol, I was kidding | 15:13 |
| madeinkobaia | smartboy : I didn't knew that this sign have a name, I just discovered that too. I never heard something similar in french. | 15:16 |
| DarkEra | zequence, the following: i re-installed the daily built i had on usb stick and left out 2 updates from the Ubuntu Studio base updates. X acceleration library -- runtime and Xorg X server - core server. Guess what, nividia-settings shows me a temperature of 60 °C now | 15:22 |
| smartboyhw_ | DarkEra: xserver-xorg is really killing computers:P | 15:23 |
| DarkEra | the next step i will do is install the X acceleration library -- runtime update and leave out the Xorg X server -core server one to see what it does | 15:23 |
| DarkEra | smartboyhw_, guess so :D | 15:24 |
| DarkEra | really, it stays at 60 °C now after 5 minutes, no increase so far | 15:25 |
| smartboyhw_ | o_O | 15:25 |
| smartboyhw_ | O_o | 15:25 |
| DarkEra | i'm glad i have this netbook to stay in touch while trying things on the laptop | 15:26 |
| smartboyhw_ | :) | 15:27 |
| DarkEra | i'm going to install the runtime update now and reboot to see what happens next | 15:27 |
| DarkEra | rebooting and crossing my grey hair for luck | 15:29 |
| smartboyhw_ | DarkEra: Good luck! ;) | 15:30 |
| DarkEra | X acceleration library -- runtime is updated, temperature of the GPU is 61 and dropping | 15:31 |
| DarkEra | so it's the Xorg X server update | 15:32 |
| DarkEra | that causes trouble | 15:32 |
| smartboyhw_ | Grrr | 15:32 |
| DarkEra | where to report it? at ubuntu studio on Launchpad or Ubuntu | 15:34 |
| DarkEra | nice, still 60 °C :) | 15:35 |
| smartboyhw_ | DarkEra: The package I think. | 15:36 |
| smartboyhw_ | ubuntu-bug <packagename> | 15:36 |
| DarkEra | ok, i'll look into that | 15:38 |
| DarkEra | smartboyhw_, do i need to join ubuntu first? when clicking on report a bug i'm forwarded to the Documentation/wiki | 15:46 |
| smartboyhw_ | DarkEra nornally you do report a bug using the method aboce | 15:47 |
| DarkEra | now i'm lost... lol | 15:48 |
| smartboyhw_ | LOL | 15:50 |
| smartboyhw_ | DarkEra: Are you trying to report a bug against a specific package or just the Ubuntu project itself? | 15:51 |
| DarkEra | well, i think the package then Xorg x server -core server | 15:53 |
| DarkEra | best thing to do is report it on "xorg-server" package in Ubuntu then | 15:53 |
| smartboyhw_ | DarkEra: In a terminal type "apport-bug" there should have a specific button for X.org | 15:54 |
| DarkEra | smartboyhw_, ah yes, i see Display (X.Org). Thank you :) | 15:55 |
| smartboyhw_ | DarkEra: :) | 15:56 |
| smartboyhw_ | madeinkobaia left:( | 15:58 |
| holstein | smartboyhw_: lemme look | 15:59 |
| smartboyhw_ | holstein: OK thanks:) | 16:00 |
| holstein | smartboyhw_: i might be back by then | 16:03 |
| holstein | whats up? | 16:03 |
| smartboyhw_ | holstein: I need somebody to change channel topics for me in #ubuntustudio, it's release day. | 16:04 |
| holstein | smartboyhw_: i can probably pop in and do that real quick | 16:04 |
| smartboyhw_ | I have privileges (along with zequence) in here but not user chan | 16:04 |
| holstein | smartboyhw_: we used to do it several months late.. so, i think anytime that week would be an improvement | 16:04 |
| smartboyhw_ | holstein: Thanks! | 16:05 |
| smartboyhw_ | holstein: :O | 16:05 |
| holstein | smartboyhw_: im around and free that morning for sure | 16:09 |
| smartboyhw_ | holstein: \o/ | 16:10 |
| === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw | ||
| smartboyhw | zequence: I thought of one thing: Shouldn't contact@ubuntustudio.org divert emails to you now? | 16:15 |
| === DarkEra2 is now known as DarkEra | ||
| zequence | DarkEra: What exactly did you update? Do you have a list of the packages you updated? | 16:49 |
| DarkEra | i had a daily built but can't remenber from what date but it wasn't too old and applied all updates except Xorg x server - core server zequence | 16:52 |
| DarkEra | dunno if i can get a output or history of the updated packages | 16:53 |
| zequence | DarkEra: What do you get when you do: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core | grep Version | 16:54 |
| DarkEra | Version: 2:1.13.3-0ubuntu6 Version: 2:1.13.3-0ubuntu5 | 16:56 |
| zequence | DarkEra: So, it's the latest version | 16:56 |
| DarkEra | the latest version is the one that causes the trouble yes | 16:57 |
| zequence | DarkEra: So, how did you verify, exactly? | 16:57 |
| DarkEra | i didn't install it and all is working as should | 16:57 |
| zequence | madeinkobaia: I like the idea of the social banners. You want to use the ones you already did? | 16:57 |
| zequence | DarkEra: But, now you installed it and it doesn't work anymore? | 16:58 |
| zequence | er, wait | 16:58 |
| zequence | Let me check something | 16:58 |
| DarkEra | the temperature of the GPU is still around 60 to 63°C which is ok, when i install the update it goes up to 78°C | 16:58 |
| DarkEra | so, i left it out | 16:59 |
| zequence | DarkEra: Could you please verify by installing only xserver-xorg-core, by doing: sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade xserver-xorg-core | 16:59 |
| zequence | Then, you can revert back | 17:00 |
| zequence | if you like | 17:00 |
| madeinkobaia | zequence : I think so, I will just add a sticker on it (but a great one ; ) ) | 17:00 |
| DarkEra | zequence, it's the only update i have left now. How can i revert it back afterwards when rebooted? | 17:01 |
| DarkEra | i'm always willing to learn :) | 17:01 |
| madeinkobaia | zequence : If you're agree for the slogan "13.04 release available now ! " I start work on it this w.e. | 17:02 |
| zequence | DarkEra: It should work with: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=2:1.13.3-0ubuntu5 | 17:03 |
| zequence | DarkEra: Or maybe not | 17:03 |
| zequence | DarkEra: It didn't work on this Debian install, but it will as soon as I change repos which has older versions | 17:04 |
| DarkEra | zequence, ok, i'll install it to verify. If it can't be reverted i re-install 13.04 again. No big deal and should be done within 30 minutes including updating. I just want this release to rock just like you do :) | 17:05 |
| zequence | DarkEra: Great. Thanks! | 17:06 |
| DarkEra | no thanks zequence , that's why i joined in in the first place :) | 17:06 |
| DarkEra | switching to the netbook and then reboot the laptop | 17:08 |
| * DarkEra bangs his head against the wall | 17:58 | |
| zequence | DarkEra: No temp increase? | 17:59 |
| zequence | I think these kind of issues are not easy to track down, unless you know well what components in the OS could be responsible | 17:59 |
| DarkEra | it's a bit higher zequence instead of 60/62°C i now have 63 to 65 °C but that's it for now after multiple reboots as test | 18:00 |
| DarkEra | weird stuff | 18:00 |
| zequence | DarkEra: Are you absolutely sure it's higher now. How are you measuring? Idle session, only using sensors? | 18:01 |
| zequence | Is the computer in the same place. Did you have sunlight on it before, etc.. | 18:02 |
| zequence | If it is higher because of xorg, I think it's worth reporting | 18:02 |
| DarkEra | i look at the GPU temperature in nvidia-settings, before the xorg x server update it was between 60 and 62 °C. Now as said before, it starts at 63 °C and goes up to 65 °C sometimes but that's ok i guess. Yesterday the temperature started at 72 °C and went up to 78 °C at some point The laptop is still in the same place en temperature. | 18:05 |
| DarkEra | en/and | 18:05 |
| DarkEra | the joys of testing :D | 18:05 |
| DarkEra | by the way, nvidia settings and Xchat are the only two i use right now | 18:08 |
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