[01:21] * micahg hopes he didn't forget to upload something... [02:49] micahg: we'll forgive you if you did :) [02:49] zequence: question [02:49] doesnt our irc client point to #ubuntustudio? [03:05] holstein, no [03:05] There is a menu item in the ubuntustudio submenu that does though [03:06] holstein, The changes needed to make ubuntustudio the default in the default settings are too much [03:09] xchat does not have a place we can put default settings in. That stuff is all part of the binary :P [03:10] i see [03:10] clear as mud? [03:11] :) [04:08] From what I saw on the release channel we should be treating the daily builds as release candidates and be testing them as such [10:15] zequence: Archive FinalFreezed now \o/ [10:21] * smartboyhw is proposing that we should remove the 12.10 link in this single channel [10:41] Hey DarkEra [10:42] hi smartboyhw [10:42] i guess the rc release is postponed [10:42] DarkEra: Not sure. [10:43] pretty sure, 18 was the release day and that was yesterday :) [10:43] DarkEra: No worries, I will inform the whole world that it i ready for testing. [10:43] :) [10:45] by the way, i start think that xorg x server - core server update screwed it up on the 13.04 [10:45] DarkEra: Uh oh. Report bug? [10:45] not done yet [10:46] DarkEra: You mean about the temperature? [10:46] but, the graphics card temperature went up way high yesterday and the problem is still there. Using 12.04 at the moment [10:47] zequence, yep [10:47] DarkEra: Did you try blowing out the fan outtake yet? [10:47] yes i did [10:48] DarkEra: There is another possibility. The temp reader may be the problem [10:48] DarkEra: And, just anything adding to increased activity [10:48] it's not a hardware issue, i'm pretty sure. 13.04 worked great until after the updates [10:49] zequence: I need to prepare all the announcements before Wednesday. I'm having a test on Friday so no computer for Thursday. I'll still be here to do the actual releasing, but not doing any QA. [10:49] i have two other distro's running on this machine and the fan is almost silent [10:49] when using them [10:50] DarkEra: Did you measure CPU temp? [10:50] DarkEra: The RC images are held up by the language packs. [10:50] smartboyhw, ah, ok. Thanks :) [10:50] zequence, how? [10:51] DarkEra: install sensord [10:52] DarkEra: Then, do: sudo sensors-detect [10:52] DarkEra: And to see the temps: sensors [10:53] gonna write that down and boot into 13.04 later [10:53] DarkEra: It's of course possible that one will make the other warmer, since the air inside gets warmer [10:55] DarkEra: How was the fan outtake? I did a couple of really hard blows, and man, there was dust there I couldn't have imagined, since I didn't see it with my eyes [10:55] ..before I blew it [10:55] if you look at the GPU temp on 12.04 through nvidia-setting at the moment it's 58°C. By now it would have been 75 to 78°C by now. I'll check both again when on 13.04 and i was just thinking about that too that one heats up the other [10:56] zequence: I only got high temps when I am either building software or doing QA. [10:56] zequence, i clean it from time to time so there wasn't too much dust in it :) [10:56] smartboyhw: In other words, whenever you put stress on the CPU? [10:57] zequence: Yeah. And RAM. [10:57] RAM won't make the temp higher though [10:58] I mean, using more RAM, that is [11:11] bbl, checking 13.04 [11:33] zequence, i check on 13.04. This is the output taken with intervals of a few seconds and within a minute: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5721291/ [11:33] you clearly see the GPU temp rising [11:35] the CPU stays around the same temperature from what i can tell [11:40] DarkEra: Someone reported a bug having simliar issues as yours, but found out it was also a problem in -generic. [11:42] so it's not related to the kernel (which i found out already) or ubuntu studio. [11:43] smartboyhw_, that's also on 13.04? [11:49] DarkEra: At this point, it's hard to say [11:49] DarkEra: You could try installing the same kernel on 12.04 [11:49] i have a better idea [11:50] install 13.04 again and not pull in the xorg x server - core server update [11:50] DarkEra: It would be easier, and quicker, if you installed the kernel [11:50] DarkEra: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/linux-image-generic [11:50] Just download it, and install it manually [11:51] There was also a PPA for kernel backports, but I don't have it [11:54] DarkEra: To install proprietary drivers, or any other kind of modules, you'll need the headers http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/linux-headers-generic [11:55] I mean, to build modules.. [11:55] i know :) [11:56] DarkEra: I'd appreciate it if you could install the kernel on 12.04 and see if there's a difference [11:56] There was a guy with the same kind of problem here before, but I think he also updated the xorg stuff, so that was not very helpful [11:57] on 12.04, that is [11:57] I mean, he had heating problems the newer the release was, and 13.04 was the worst. But, when he installed a newere kernel to 12.04, I think he also installed a newer X [11:58] I was trying to help him, but I was away each time he was in [11:58] And now, he's not responding anymore [11:59] ok, no problem. I'll do it to help out and make sure :) [12:29] zequence, sorry, can't install them [12:31] Dependency is not satisfiable: linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic [12:32] i have to go in a few so i leave the stuff as is [12:46] DarkEra: That's the package you should isntall [12:46] DarkEra: Not the meta package [12:47] DarkEra: Which arch is it? [12:50] hmm, the packages were not downloadable http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/amd64/linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic/download [12:50] oh, no, sorry [12:50] there's the mirrors below [12:50] That's for 64bit [12:50] :O [12:51] and this is the 32bit http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/i386/linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic/download [12:52] Another way is to change the apt to say "raring" instead of "precise", do sudo apt-get update, and then only install the kernel, nothing else, if already installed: sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade linux-generic [12:52] in /etc/apt/sources.list [12:52] Not sure if the last will work [12:55] zequence: Will there be an S kernel blueprint? I would like linux-lts-raring-lowlatency in 12.04.3 (if that doesn't kill you off maintenance and regression testing. [12:58] smartboyhw_: Why would you like to have that kernel? [12:58] zequence: Hardware enablement? [12:59] That's the reason Ubuntu has linux-lts-raring-generic [13:00] Or maybe add in linux-rt? [13:01] We should look at adding linux-rt for 14.04 [13:01] zequence: Mmm kay;) [13:02] Doing a SRU for the LTS is not really a S blueprint. I'll look into that [13:02] zequence, i'm on 64bit [13:02] zequence: \o/ [13:02] but i gotta run now. bbl :) [13:03] DarkEra: See you later [13:10] smartboyhw_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-ubuntustudio [13:11] Sorry, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-t-kernel [13:11] zequence: Whoo hoo! [13:12] * smartboyhw_ subscribes to blueprint. [13:14] smartboyhw_: I haven't at all looked at what the -rt patch consists of, but it is possible that we don't need the entire patch in order for us to get a good realtime kernel [13:14] It's also quite possible that we would be able to add the patch ourselves to a Ubuntu kernel, which is not supported by the -rt folks [13:15] So, one option is to enchance -lowlatency with a patch to make it more realtime [13:16] It would be best if we could sync with Ubuntu, but if we can't, and we still want to add a -rt kernel, we add the kernel that is supported then. [13:16] zequence: +1 [14:24] * smartboyhw is back! [14:45] Hi all : ) [14:47] I've got an idea for the social network banners. [14:48] madeinkobaia: Do tell us;) [14:52] Hi : ) What about adding a kind of sticker on the banners, with a slogan, something like "13.04 release available now !" we could keep that version with stickers during 2 weeks, since the first day of the released date. [14:54] madeinkobaia: Whoa good! [14:57] smartboy : Thanks, well I will try a version with that slogan, but is it correct in English ? Does it sounds good ? [14:58] madeinkobaia: extremely good! [14:58] zequence: ^ [15:00] smartboy : Have you an idea of the release date (more or less) ? [15:01] madeinkobaia… Next thursday [15:02] smartboy : Thanks, so I must hurry a little bit :P [15:09] may I add a "sign of the horns" on it ? 8-) [15:10] madeinkobaia: What what? [15:12] smartboy : its the name of the rock'n roll sign : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns [15:13] madeinkobaia: No no:P [15:13] smartboy : lol, I was kidding [15:16] smartboy : I didn't knew that this sign have a name, I just discovered that too. I never heard something similar in french. [15:22] zequence, the following: i re-installed the daily built i had on usb stick and left out 2 updates from the Ubuntu Studio base updates. X acceleration library -- runtime and Xorg X server - core server. Guess what, nividia-settings shows me a temperature of 60 °C now [15:23] DarkEra: xserver-xorg is really killing computers:P [15:23] the next step i will do is install the X acceleration library -- runtime update and leave out the Xorg X server -core server one to see what it does [15:24] smartboyhw_, guess so :D [15:25] really, it stays at 60 °C now after 5 minutes, no increase so far [15:25] o_O [15:25] O_o [15:26] i'm glad i have this netbook to stay in touch while trying things on the laptop [15:27] :) [15:27] i'm going to install the runtime update now and reboot to see what happens next [15:29] rebooting and crossing my grey hair for luck [15:30] DarkEra: Good luck! ;) [15:31] X acceleration library -- runtime is updated, temperature of the GPU is 61 and dropping [15:32] so it's the Xorg X server update [15:32] that causes trouble [15:32] Grrr [15:34] where to report it? at ubuntu studio on Launchpad or Ubuntu [15:35] nice, still 60 °C :) [15:36] DarkEra: The package I think. [15:36] ubuntu-bug [15:38] ok, i'll look into that [15:46] smartboyhw_, do i need to join ubuntu first? when clicking on report a bug i'm forwarded to the Documentation/wiki [15:47] DarkEra nornally you do report a bug using the method aboce [15:48] now i'm lost... lol [15:50] LOL [15:51] DarkEra: Are you trying to report a bug against a specific package or just the Ubuntu project itself? [15:53] well, i think the package then Xorg x server -core server [15:53] best thing to do is report it on "xorg-server" package in Ubuntu then [15:54] DarkEra: In a terminal type "apport-bug" there should have a specific button for X.org [15:55] smartboyhw_, ah yes, i see Display (X.Org). Thank you :) [15:56] DarkEra: :) [15:58] madeinkobaia left:( [15:59] smartboyhw_: lemme look [16:00] holstein: OK thanks:) [16:03] smartboyhw_: i might be back by then [16:03] whats up? [16:04] holstein: I need somebody to change channel topics for me in #ubuntustudio, it's release day. [16:04] smartboyhw_: i can probably pop in and do that real quick [16:04] I have privileges (along with zequence) in here but not user chan [16:04] smartboyhw_: we used to do it several months late.. so, i think anytime that week would be an improvement [16:05] holstein: Thanks! [16:05] holstein: :O [16:09] smartboyhw_: im around and free that morning for sure [16:10] holstein: \o/ === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [16:15] zequence: I thought of one thing: Shouldn't contact@ubuntustudio.org divert emails to you now? === DarkEra2 is now known as DarkEra [16:49] DarkEra: What exactly did you update? Do you have a list of the packages you updated? [16:52] i had a daily built but can't remenber from what date but it wasn't too old and applied all updates except Xorg x server - core server zequence [16:53] dunno if i can get a output or history of the updated packages [16:54] DarkEra: What do you get when you do: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core | grep Version [16:56] Version: 2:1.13.3-0ubuntu6 Version: 2:1.13.3-0ubuntu5 [16:56] DarkEra: So, it's the latest version [16:57] the latest version is the one that causes the trouble yes [16:57] DarkEra: So, how did you verify, exactly? [16:57] i didn't install it and all is working as should [16:57] madeinkobaia: I like the idea of the social banners. You want to use the ones you already did? [16:58] DarkEra: But, now you installed it and it doesn't work anymore? [16:58] er, wait [16:58] Let me check something [16:58] the temperature of the GPU is still around 60 to 63°C which is ok, when i install the update it goes up to 78°C [16:59] so, i left it out [16:59] DarkEra: Could you please verify by installing only xserver-xorg-core, by doing: sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade xserver-xorg-core [17:00] Then, you can revert back [17:00] if you like [17:00] zequence : I think so, I will just add a sticker on it (but a great one ; ) ) [17:01] zequence, it's the only update i have left now. How can i revert it back afterwards when rebooted? [17:01] i'm always willing to learn :) [17:02] zequence : If you're agree for the slogan "13.04 release available now ! " I start work on it this w.e. [17:03] DarkEra: It should work with: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=2:1.13.3-0ubuntu5 [17:03] DarkEra: Or maybe not [17:04] DarkEra: It didn't work on this Debian install, but it will as soon as I change repos which has older versions [17:05] zequence, ok, i'll install it to verify. If it can't be reverted i re-install 13.04 again. No big deal and should be done within 30 minutes including updating. I just want this release to rock just like you do :) [17:06] DarkEra: Great. Thanks! [17:06] no thanks zequence , that's why i joined in in the first place :) [17:08] switching to the netbook and then reboot the laptop [17:58] * DarkEra bangs his head against the wall [17:59] DarkEra: No temp increase? [17:59] I think these kind of issues are not easy to track down, unless you know well what components in the OS could be responsible [18:00] it's a bit higher zequence instead of 60/62°C i now have 63 to 65 °C but that's it for now after multiple reboots as test [18:00] weird stuff [18:01] DarkEra: Are you absolutely sure it's higher now. How are you measuring? Idle session, only using sensors? [18:02] Is the computer in the same place. Did you have sunlight on it before, etc.. [18:02] If it is higher because of xorg, I think it's worth reporting [18:05] i look at the GPU temperature in nvidia-settings, before the xorg x server update it was between 60 and 62 °C. Now as said before, it starts at 63 °C and goes up to 65 °C sometimes but that's ok i guess. Yesterday the temperature started at 72 °C and went up to 78 °C at some point The laptop is still in the same place en temperature. [18:05] en/and [18:05] the joys of testing :D [18:08] by the way, nvidia settings and Xchat are the only two i use right now