[01:21]  * micahg hopes he didn't forget to upload something...
[02:49] <holstein> micahg: we'll forgive you if you did :)
[02:49] <holstein> zequence: question
[02:49] <holstein> doesnt our irc client point to #ubuntustudio?
[03:05] <len-1304> holstein, no
[03:05] <len-1304> There is a menu item in the ubuntustudio submenu that does though
[03:06] <len-1304> holstein, The changes needed to make ubuntustudio the default in the default settings are too much
[03:09] <len-1304> xchat does not have a place we can put default settings in. That stuff is all part of the binary :P
[03:10] <holstein> i see
[03:10] <len-1304> clear as mud?
[03:11] <holstein> :)
[04:08] <len-live> From what I saw on the release channel we should be treating the daily builds as release candidates and be testing them as such
[10:15] <smartboyhw> zequence:  Archive FinalFreezed now \o/ 
[10:21]  * smartboyhw is proposing that we should remove the 12.10 link in this single channel
[10:41] <smartboyhw> Hey DarkEra
[10:42] <DarkEra> hi smartboyhw 
[10:42] <DarkEra> i guess the rc release is postponed
[10:42] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Not sure.
[10:43] <DarkEra> pretty sure, 18 was the release day and that was yesterday :)
[10:43] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: No worries, I will inform the whole world that it i ready for testing.
[10:43] <DarkEra> :)
[10:45] <DarkEra> by the way, i start think that xorg x server - core server update screwed it up on the 13.04 
[10:45] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Uh oh. Report bug?
[10:45] <DarkEra> not done yet
[10:46] <zequence> DarkEra: You mean about the temperature?
[10:46] <DarkEra> but, the graphics card temperature went up way high yesterday and the problem is still there. Using 12.04 at the moment
[10:47] <DarkEra> zequence, yep
[10:47] <zequence> DarkEra: Did you try blowing out the fan outtake yet?
[10:47] <DarkEra> yes i did
[10:48] <zequence> DarkEra: There is another possibility. The temp reader may be the problem
[10:48] <zequence> DarkEra: And, just anything adding to increased activity
[10:48] <DarkEra> it's not a hardware issue, i'm pretty sure. 13.04 worked great until after the updates
[10:49] <smartboyhw> zequence: I need to prepare all the announcements before Wednesday. I'm having a test on Friday so no computer for Thursday. I'll still be here to do the actual releasing, but not doing any QA.
[10:49] <DarkEra> i have two other distro's running on this machine and the fan is almost silent
[10:49] <DarkEra> when using them
[10:50] <zequence> DarkEra: Did you measure CPU temp?
[10:50] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: The RC images are held up by the language packs.
[10:50] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, ah, ok. Thanks :)
[10:50] <DarkEra> zequence, how?
[10:51] <zequence> DarkEra: install sensord
[10:52] <zequence> DarkEra: Then, do: sudo sensors-detect
[10:52] <zequence> DarkEra: And to see the temps: sensors
[10:53] <DarkEra> gonna write that down and boot into 13.04 later
[10:53] <zequence> DarkEra: It's of course possible that one will make the other warmer, since the air inside gets warmer
[10:55] <zequence> DarkEra: How was the fan outtake? I did a couple of really hard blows, and man, there was dust there I couldn't have imagined, since I didn't see it with my eyes
[10:55] <zequence> ..before I blew it
[10:55] <DarkEra> if you look at the GPU temp on 12.04 through nvidia-setting at the moment it's 58°C. By now it would have been 75 to 78°C by now. I'll check both again when on 13.04 and i was just thinking about that too that one heats up the other
[10:56] <smartboyhw> zequence: I only got high temps when I am either building software or doing QA.
[10:56] <DarkEra> zequence, i clean it from time to time so there wasn't too much dust in it :)
[10:56] <zequence> smartboyhw: In other words, whenever you put stress on the CPU?
[10:57] <smartboyhw> zequence: Yeah. And RAM.
[10:57] <zequence> RAM won't make the temp higher though
[10:58] <zequence> I mean, using more RAM, that is
[11:11] <DarkEra> bbl, checking 13.04
[11:33] <DarkEra> zequence, i check on 13.04. This is the output taken with intervals of a few seconds and within a minute: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5721291/
[11:33] <DarkEra> you clearly see the GPU temp rising
[11:35] <DarkEra> the CPU stays around the same temperature from what i can tell
[11:40] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Someone reported a bug having simliar issues as yours, but found out it was also a problem in -generic.
[11:42] <DarkEra> so it's not related to the kernel (which i found out already) or ubuntu studio. 
[11:43] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, that's also on 13.04?
[11:49] <zequence> DarkEra: At this point, it's hard to say
[11:49] <zequence> DarkEra: You could try installing the same kernel on 12.04
[11:49] <DarkEra> i have a better idea
[11:50] <DarkEra> install 13.04 again and not pull in the xorg x server - core server update
[11:50] <zequence> DarkEra: It would be easier, and quicker, if you installed the kernel
[11:50] <zequence> DarkEra: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/linux-image-generic
[11:50] <zequence> Just download it, and install it manually
[11:51] <zequence> There was also a PPA for kernel backports, but I don't have it
[11:54] <zequence> DarkEra: To install proprietary drivers, or any other kind of modules, you'll need the headers http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/linux-headers-generic
[11:55] <zequence> I mean, to build modules..
[11:55] <DarkEra> i know :)
[11:56] <zequence> DarkEra: I'd appreciate it if you could install the kernel on 12.04 and see if there's a difference
[11:56] <zequence> There was a guy with the same kind of problem here before, but I think he also updated the xorg stuff, so that was not very helpful
[11:57] <zequence> on 12.04, that is
[11:57] <zequence> I mean, he had heating problems the newer the release was, and 13.04 was the worst. But, when he installed a newere kernel to 12.04, I think he also installed a newer X
[11:58] <zequence> I was trying to help him, but I was away each time he was in
[11:58] <zequence> And now, he's not responding anymore
[11:59] <DarkEra> ok, no problem. I'll do it to help out and make sure :)
[12:29] <DarkEra> zequence, sorry, can't install them
[12:31] <DarkEra> Dependency is not satisfiable: linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic
[12:32] <DarkEra> i have to go in a few so i leave the stuff as is
[12:46] <zequence> DarkEra: That's the package you should isntall
[12:46] <zequence> DarkEra: Not the meta package
[12:47] <zequence> DarkEra: Which arch is it?
[12:50] <zequence> hmm, the packages were not downloadable http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/amd64/linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic/download
[12:50] <zequence> oh, no, sorry
[12:50] <zequence> there's the mirrors below
[12:50] <zequence> That's for 64bit
[12:50] <smartboyhw_> :O
[12:51] <zequence> and this is the 32bit http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/i386/linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic/download
[12:52] <zequence> Another way is to change the apt to say "raring" instead of "precise", do sudo apt-get update, and then only install the kernel, nothing else, if already installed: sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade linux-generic
[12:52] <zequence> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:52] <zequence> Not sure if the last will work
[12:55] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Will there be an S kernel blueprint? I would like linux-lts-raring-lowlatency in 12.04.3 (if that doesn't kill you off maintenance and regression testing.
[12:58] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Why would you like to have that kernel?
[12:58] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Hardware enablement?
[12:59] <smartboyhw_> That's the reason Ubuntu has linux-lts-raring-generic
[13:00] <smartboyhw_> Or maybe add in linux-rt?
[13:01] <zequence> We should look at adding linux-rt for 14.04
[13:01] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Mmm kay;)
[13:02] <zequence> Doing a SRU for the LTS is not really a S blueprint. I'll look into that
[13:02] <DarkEra> zequence, i'm on 64bit
[13:02] <smartboyhw_> zequence: \o/
[13:02] <DarkEra> but i gotta run now. bbl :)
[13:03] <zequence> DarkEra: See you later
[13:10] <zequence> smartboyhw_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-ubuntustudio
[13:11] <zequence> Sorry, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-t-kernel
[13:11] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Whoo hoo!
[13:12]  * smartboyhw_ subscribes to blueprint.
[13:14] <zequence> smartboyhw_: I haven't at all looked at what the -rt patch consists of, but it is possible that we don't need the entire patch in order for us to get a good realtime kernel
[13:14] <zequence> It's also quite possible that we would be able to add the patch ourselves to a Ubuntu kernel, which is not supported by the -rt folks
[13:15] <zequence> So, one option is to enchance -lowlatency with a patch to make it more realtime
[13:16] <zequence> It would be best if we could sync with Ubuntu, but if we can't, and we still want to add a -rt kernel, we add the kernel that is supported then. 
[13:16] <smartboyhw_> zequence: +1
[14:24]  * smartboyhw is back!
[14:45] <madeinkobaia> Hi all : )
[14:47] <madeinkobaia> I've got an idea for the social network banners.
[14:48] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Do tell us;)
[14:52] <madeinkobaia> Hi : ) What about adding a kind of sticker on the banners, with a slogan, something like "13.04 release available now !"  we could keep that version with stickers during 2 weeks, since the first day of the released date.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Whoa good!
[14:57] <madeinkobaia> smartboy : Thanks, well I will try a version with that slogan, but is it correct in English ? Does it sounds good ?
[14:58] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: extremely good!
[14:58] <smartboyhw> zequence: ^
[15:00] <madeinkobaia> smartboy : Have you an idea of the release date (more or less) ?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia… Next thursday
[15:02] <madeinkobaia> smartboy : Thanks, so I must hurry a little bit :P
[15:09] <madeinkobaia> may I add a "sign of the horns" on it ? 8-)
[15:10] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: What what?
[15:12] <madeinkobaia> smartboy : its the name of the rock'n roll sign : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns
[15:13] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: No no:P
[15:13] <madeinkobaia> smartboy : lol, I was kidding
[15:16] <madeinkobaia> smartboy :  I didn't knew that this sign have a name, I just discovered that too. I never heard something similar in french.
[15:22] <DarkEra> zequence, the following: i re-installed the daily built i had on usb stick and left out 2 updates from the Ubuntu Studio base updates. X acceleration library -- runtime and Xorg X server - core server. Guess what, nividia-settings shows me a temperature of 60 °C now
[15:23] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: xserver-xorg is really killing computers:P
[15:23] <DarkEra> the next step i will do is install the X acceleration library -- runtime update and leave out the Xorg X server -core server one to see what it does
[15:24] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, guess so :D
[15:25] <DarkEra> really, it stays at 60 °C now after 5 minutes, no increase so far
[15:25] <smartboyhw_> o_O
[15:25] <smartboyhw_> O_o
[15:26] <DarkEra> i'm glad i have this netbook to stay in touch while trying things on the laptop
[15:27] <smartboyhw_> :)
[15:27] <DarkEra> i'm going to install the runtime update now and reboot to see what happens next
[15:29] <DarkEra> rebooting and crossing my grey hair for luck
[15:30] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Good luck! ;)
[15:31] <DarkEra> X acceleration library -- runtime is updated, temperature of the GPU is 61 and dropping
[15:32] <DarkEra> so it's the Xorg X server update
[15:32] <DarkEra> that causes trouble
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> Grrr
[15:34] <DarkEra> where to report it? at ubuntu studio on Launchpad or Ubuntu 
[15:35] <DarkEra> nice, still 60 °C :)
[15:36] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: The package I think.
[15:36] <smartboyhw_> ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[15:38] <DarkEra> ok, i'll look into that
[15:46] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, do i need to join ubuntu first? when clicking on report a bug i'm forwarded to the Documentation/wiki
[15:47] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra nornally you do report a bug using the method aboce
[15:48] <DarkEra> now i'm lost... lol
[15:50] <smartboyhw_> LOL
[15:51] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Are you trying to report a bug against a specific package or just the Ubuntu project itself?
[15:53] <DarkEra> well, i think the package then Xorg x server -core server
[15:53] <DarkEra> best thing to do is report it on "xorg-server" package in Ubuntu then
[15:54] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: In a terminal type "apport-bug" there should have a specific button for X.org
[15:55] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, ah yes, i see Display (X.Org). Thank you :)
[15:56] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: :)
[15:58] <smartboyhw_> madeinkobaia left:(
[15:59] <holstein> smartboyhw_: lemme look
[16:00] <smartboyhw_> holstein: OK thanks:)
[16:03] <holstein> smartboyhw_: i might be back by then
[16:03] <holstein> whats up?
[16:04] <smartboyhw_> holstein: I need somebody to change channel topics for me in #ubuntustudio, it's release day.
[16:04] <holstein> smartboyhw_: i can probably pop in and do that real quick
[16:04] <smartboyhw_> I have privileges (along with zequence) in here but not user chan
[16:04] <holstein> smartboyhw_: we used to do it several months late.. so, i think anytime that week would be an improvement
[16:05] <smartboyhw_> holstein: Thanks!
[16:05] <smartboyhw_> holstein: :O
[16:09] <holstein> smartboyhw_: im around and free that morning for sure
[16:10] <smartboyhw_> holstein: \o/
[16:15] <smartboyhw> zequence: I thought of one thing: Shouldn't contact@ubuntustudio.org divert emails to you now?
[16:49] <zequence> DarkEra: What exactly did you update? Do you have a list of the packages you updated?
[16:52] <DarkEra> i had a daily built but can't remenber from what date but it wasn't too old and applied all updates except Xorg x server - core server zequence 
[16:53] <DarkEra> dunno if i can get a output or history of the updated packages
[16:54] <zequence> DarkEra: What do you get when you do: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core | grep Version
[16:56] <DarkEra> Version: 2:1.13.3-0ubuntu6   Version: 2:1.13.3-0ubuntu5
[16:56] <zequence> DarkEra: So, it's the latest version
[16:57] <DarkEra> the latest version is the one that causes the trouble yes
[16:57] <zequence> DarkEra: So, how did you verify, exactly?
[16:57] <DarkEra> i didn't install it and all is working as should
[16:57] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I like the idea of the social banners. You want to use the ones you already did?
[16:58] <zequence> DarkEra: But, now you installed it and it doesn't work anymore?
[16:58] <zequence> er, wait
[16:58] <zequence> Let me check something
[16:58] <DarkEra> the temperature of the GPU is still around 60 to 63°C which is ok, when i install the update it goes up to 78°C
[16:59] <DarkEra> so, i left it out
[16:59] <zequence> DarkEra: Could you please verify by installing only xserver-xorg-core, by doing: sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade xserver-xorg-core
[17:00] <zequence> Then, you can revert back
[17:00] <zequence> if you like
[17:00] <madeinkobaia> zequence : I think so, I will just add a sticker on it (but a great one ; ) )
[17:01] <DarkEra> zequence, it's the only update i have left now. How can i revert it back afterwards when rebooted?
[17:01] <DarkEra> i'm always willing to learn :)
[17:02] <madeinkobaia> zequence : If you're agree for the slogan "13.04 release available now ! " I start work on it this w.e.
[17:03] <zequence> DarkEra: It should work with: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=2:1.13.3-0ubuntu5
[17:03] <zequence> DarkEra: Or maybe not
[17:04] <zequence> DarkEra: It didn't work on this Debian install, but it will as soon as I change repos which has older versions
[17:05] <DarkEra> zequence, ok, i'll install it to verify. If it can't be reverted i re-install 13.04 again. No big deal and should be done within 30 minutes including updating. I just want this release to rock just like you do :)
[17:06] <zequence> DarkEra: Great. Thanks!
[17:06] <DarkEra> no thanks zequence , that's why i joined in in the first place :)
[17:08] <DarkEra> switching to the netbook and then reboot the laptop
[17:58]  * DarkEra bangs his head against the wall
[17:59] <zequence> DarkEra: No temp increase?
[17:59] <zequence> I think these kind of issues are not easy to track down, unless you know well what components in the OS could be responsible
[18:00] <DarkEra> it's a bit higher zequence instead of 60/62°C i now have 63 to 65 °C but that's it for now after multiple reboots as test
[18:00] <DarkEra> weird stuff
[18:01] <zequence> DarkEra: Are you absolutely sure it's higher now. How are you measuring? Idle session, only using sensors?
[18:02] <zequence> Is the computer in the same place. Did you have sunlight on it before, etc..
[18:02] <zequence> If it is higher because of xorg, I think it's worth reporting
[18:05] <DarkEra> i look at the GPU temperature in nvidia-settings, before the xorg x server update it was between 60 and 62 °C. Now as said before, it starts at 63 °C and goes up to 65 °C sometimes but that's ok i guess. Yesterday the temperature started at 72 °C and went up to 78 °C at some point The laptop is still in the same place en temperature.
[18:05] <DarkEra> en/and
[18:05] <DarkEra> the joys of testing :D
[18:08] <DarkEra> by the way, nvidia settings and Xchat are the only two i use right now