[00:38] <dirsch> hello
[00:39] <dirsch> i downloaded libre office on xubuntu, but i do not know how to make it an application that is usable. can someone help me?
[00:48] <packetfrog> dirsch goto a terminal> type this: sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[00:48] <packetfrog> poof it will be in your menu
[00:55] <ddsss> in ssh keys - what are the last thing in public key. Is that like user@host ... or it can be any remark?
[01:12] <harris> do you have to download lan games to play
[02:11] <trickyhero> hello, I just made a blog post on what I think could be improved on xubuntu, could I post it here?
[02:12] <SonikkuAmerica> As a link, but in #xubuntu-offtopic
[02:12] <trickyhero> thanks
[02:33] <nezb> Just upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04... Xubuntu rocks!
[02:33] <nezb> The only sensible desktop Linux still around... all the other distros are going off the deep-end :P
[02:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Awesome. Now for the next week, support goes into #ubuntu+1 instead...
[02:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh really? What about Kubuntu?
[02:34] <nezb> Kubuntu is good, but I still prefer Xfce
[02:34] <nezb> although I must admit, KDE has come a long way since I first used it ... at version 1.x
[02:35] <nezb> Xfce is serious - "no frills"
[02:35] <SonikkuAmerica> KDE 4.WhateverTheHeckThey'reOnTheseDays is awesome.
[02:35] <SonikkuAmerica> nezb: GNOME 2, but not GNOME, nor 2..
[02:35] <SonikkuAmerica> It even has its own compositing manager, but you can use Compiz with it too
[02:36] <nezb> I don't need all that fancy stuff :P
[02:36] <nezb> (although I admit, transparent window borders look nice)
[02:36] <nezb> oh, and if there's any developers or maintainers in this channel, props to you too
[02:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Believe me, they're in here..
[02:39] <nezb> SonikkuAmerica: probably have the window hidden as they frantically put the finishing touches before release day ;)
[02:39] <nezb> isn't it ~1 week from now?
[02:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Yes.
[02:40] <SonikkuAmerica> 6 days in fact.
[02:40] <nezb> so I guess technically we're in the release candidate stage
[02:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, but there is no RC to be seen.
[02:41] <trickyhero> the daily builds are pretty much RC
[02:42] <SonikkuAmerica> There actually used to be designated RCs
[02:42] <nezb> it seems pretty stable to me
[02:42] <nezb> except for pulseaudio using 100% of my CPU from time to time ...
[02:42] <nezb> but I don't blame xubuntu on that
[02:43] <SonikkuAmerica> That's something to blame PulseAudio on. If your sound card is that low-end use Lubuntu
[02:43] <SonikkuAmerica> It still uses ALSA by default.
[02:43] <nezb> it's an integrated sound card, but pulseaudio worked just fine in 12.04 and 12.10
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Expect it to. Those are stable releases.
[02:44] <nezb> and 13.04 isn't stable!?
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> No
[02:44] <nezb> :(
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Not until 25 April
[02:45] <nezb> Well, I like to live on the bleeding edge
[02:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Then, just like in test cricket, it will be declared.
[02:45] <nezb> if restarting pulseaudio every time it freaks out is what it takes to be on the bleeding edge... then I'll live with it
[02:45]  * nezb sighs
[02:46] <nezb> ok all. it's time for me to go.
[02:46] <nezb> bye!
[02:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Me 2 bai
[02:46] <packetfrog> nezb Its not you
[02:47] <packetfrog> It happened to another guy and me last night
[03:59] <coder25> thinkpad t40 (Pentium M 1gb RAM) has Xubuntu 12.10 installed now. PC is not PAE compliant, package installer is broken and won't repair, I need to install Abiword or Libreoffice.  The Ubuntu website includes instructions for installing Ubuntu, where user is given the choice of replacing existing OS or not.  I do want to replace Xubuntu 12.10 with Xubuntu 12.4.  How do I do this?  Thanks.
[04:01] <heoyea> is ur partition seperated?
[04:03] <coder25> How do u  recommend I check on partitions?
[04:05] <heoyea> u have all ur data backup?
[04:06] <coder25> not much data.
[04:07] <coder25> I'm familiar with unetbootin, bootable usb, gparted.
[04:07] <heoyea> well if u dont need those then just install as usual
[04:07] <coder25> but i cannot install anything now, b/c installer is broken.
[04:08] <heoyea> put in livecd or liveusb
[04:08] <coder25> i could use a different pc to create bootable usb
[04:08] <heoyea> sure
[04:08] <coder25> please tell me in advance what u plan to do.  thanks.
[04:09] <heoyea> didnt u want to reinstall?
[04:11] <coder25> are u familiar with the non-PAE compliant issue?  is Xubuntu 12.4 the one to use?
[04:11] <heoyea> PAE is only for ppl that wants to use 32bit system that has 4GB ram+
[04:12] <coder25> thanks.
[04:12] <heoyea> otherwise just use the regualer 32bit
[04:13] <coder25> in running repair of the installer on Xubuntu 12.10, get error message that this PC is not PAE compliant and installer isn't repairable.  I do plan to use the 32 bit 12.4, or should i go to a version prior to that?
[04:15] <heoyea> 12.4 is fine
[04:15] <coder25> quit
[04:15] <coder25> logoff
[04:15] <coder25> how do i logoff?
[04:16] <heoyea> where u at
[08:37] <Noskcaj> does anyone online have testdrive installed? i need some bugs confirmed
[08:48] <Noskcaj> does anyone online have testdrive installed? i need some bugs confirmed
[08:53] <knome> Noskcaj, please don't repeat
[08:54] <knome> Noskcaj, besides, i would imagine there are better places to ask for help with that, like #ubuntu-quality or even #xubuntu-devel
[08:54] <Noskcaj> knome, oops, hadn't realised i posted twice. and i have
[09:21] <Joe_______> Hi all
[09:22] <Joe_______> Anyone can tell if xubuntu 13.04 will be a LTS version?
[09:22] <Joe_______> no info on google available...
[09:23] <koegs> Joe_______: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[09:24] <Myrtti> Joe_______: all Ubuntu derivatives release their LTS versions (if they have them) at same time with the main distribution which is every even year april.
[09:24] <Myrtti> at the current pattern
[09:44] <Joe_______> Ooops,.. Got disconnected
[09:44] <Joe_______> Thanks Myrtti
[09:45] <Joe_______> The reason I'm asking is that Xubuntu seems to be offering LTS every two years
[09:45] <Joe_______> There was no 11.04 LTS, 9.04 or 7.04 LTS
[09:45] <koegs> [11:23:35] < koegs> Joe_______: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[09:46] <Joe_______> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu
[09:46] <Myrtti> Joe_______: as I said, every even year.
[09:47] <Joe_______> I know about Ubuntu being LTS every April, but it does not seem to apply on Xubuntu
[09:47] <Joe_______> Am I mistaken?
[09:47] <Myrtti> no, not every april
[09:47] <koegs> just read the wiki, LTS will be every two years for Ubuntu and Xubuntu is following that schedule
[09:48] <Myrtti> "all Ubuntu derivatives release their LTS versions (if they have them) at same time with the main distribution which is every even year April."
[09:50] <Joe_______> Oh, I see
[09:51] <Joe_______> So 18 months support, right?
[09:52] <koegs> Joe_______: did you even take a look here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[09:53] <Joe_______> You get free security updates for at least 9 months on the desktop and server.
[09:53] <Joe_______> That's what I read
[09:53] <Joe_______> But from previous versions I have in mind that it was 18
[09:54] <Joe_______> I also see on the diagram that the orange bars are getting shorter in time
[09:56] <knome> Joe_______, from 12.10, regular releases are supported for 9 monts and LTS releases (for xubuntu) 36 months.
[10:02] <Joe_______> Thanks again
[10:02] <Joe_______> It's a shame, 13.04 looks sooo much better....
[10:03] <knome> you can simply upgrade to 13.10 when it's out and you'll have the extended support period
[10:05] <Joe_______> I think we'll stick to 12.04 and try apt-get dist-upgrade next year
[10:06] <Joe_______> If something fails we'll stick to 12.04 until  2017
[10:08] <knome> Joe_______, the xubuntu-speciifc parts only have 3 years of support though.
[10:09] <Joe_______> Thanks for pointing out knome! This is important!
[10:11] <Joe_______> Anyone else interested in support and reasoning on short 9 months: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-March/001527.html
[10:13] <Myrtti> Joe_______: the Ubuntu effort on mobile devices.
[10:23] <knome> well tbh, 18 months for the interim releases was "too good" to start with. i'm glad it happened though, but it's time to move on
[10:32] <antisober552> Knome thx for the help last night i got the permission right
[10:33] <antisober552> So i can save all my work
[10:34] <knome> antisober552, good
[10:38] <Stek_Turku> Hi all
[10:38] <Stek_Turku> does anyone have problems with thunderbird (xubuntu 12.04)?
[10:39] <jpmartins> Hi everyone... top of the morning for you guys :)
[10:40] <Stek_Turku> when i reply or write new mail, thunderbird open a new window after very very very very long time....
[10:41] <Stek_Turku> it happen also when i open a mail in a new window... and it didn't happen if i open a mail in a new tab
[10:43] <jpmartins> Can anyone send me a list of printer brands that are Xubuntu friendly?
[10:44] <knome> jpmartins, http://www.openprinting.org/printers
[10:45] <jpmartins> Cool thanks... is that list regularly updated?
[10:45] <knome> as people test new printers, yes
[10:45] <knome> (and send them to that database, of coursE)
[10:45] <jpmartins> Of course :D
[10:46] <buchstabensalat> how much does enabling/disabling compositing affect battery run time?
[10:46] <jpmartins> Well thanks a bunch and have a great day :)
[10:47] <knome> you too
[10:49] <Stek_Turku> ... xubuntu 12.04 lts... apport doesn't work... ??? ubuntu-bug works... i am confused... why?
[10:50] <jpmartins> And a great weekend for all :) mine will be spended surfing... Lisbon has 25º C and mild winds for the weekend with some great waves pumping. For you guys who also love surfing... this is like honey :D
[11:11] <Dabido> Dabido
[11:12] <Dabido> Oops, so this morning when I turned on my box
[11:12] <Dabido> Compositing and windows borders were gone
[11:13] <Dabido> I'm using Xubuntu 12.04 but with the xfce ppa (Thunar 1.6.2)
[11:13] <Dabido> The mouse cursor is always busy, too
[11:14] <Dabido> Any ideas? Or at least, who should I report the bug to?
[11:14] <Dabido> Cheers
[11:15] <knome> Dabido, for starters, the ppa is not officially supported
[11:15] <knome> Dabido, you might want to run xfwm4 to get the window borders back though
[11:17] <Dabido> I understand. However, I'm a little confused as to where should I report the bug. Isn't it the expected thing to do? (I'll check xfwm4)
[11:17] <knome> well... not really, since you are running an unsupported version.
[11:20] <Dabido> Well, aren't some people (Xfce developers, for instance) interested in knowing this kind of things...?
[11:21] <knome> possibly. the point is that your bug might be a regression of you using the ppa
[11:21] <knome> so what is the bug even?
[11:21] <knome> window borders disappearing?
[11:24] <Dabido> No more borders, no compositing (the dock background is black)
[11:24] <knome> did you run xfwm4 already and did it fix your problems?
[11:25] <Dabido> Some fields can't be edited, alt-tab doesn't work and only one desktop (impossible to switch between desktops)
[11:25] <Dabido> Well, I just did and it worked.
[11:25] <Dabido> Thank you very much.
[11:25] <knome> ok, that's known, but we don't know what causes it
[11:26] <knome> usually a non-normal shutdown or something.
[11:26] <Dabido> Ok, sorry for bothering you then
[11:26] <knome> np
[11:26] <Dabido> I did try to look for the answer with a search engine, I promise.
[11:26] <knome> if you want to file bugs against xubuntu and are willing to use a non-LTS release, upgrade to 12.10
[11:26] <knome> (and soon, 13.04)
[11:27] <Dabido> Should I change a value somewhere to prevent this from reoccuring on reboot?
[11:27] <knome> as long as you save your session on logout (or haven't saved it before), you are fine
[11:29] <Dabido> Good to know
[11:30] <Dabido> Well, I sorta of like the idea of LTS even though some of the features I find very useful arrived in xfce only later (hence the ppa)
[11:31] <knome> i can't promise anything, but the "interim" xubuntu releases have been pretty stable in the past as well
[11:31] <knome> i've been using them from the beginning in my production machines, and i've been fine (some upgrades have been problematic, but recoverable)
[11:33] <Dabido> In my (not so long) experience Xubuntu tends to be very reliable indeed.
[12:13] <cadfael> Q: Is there a simple way to drop the titlebar from the window decorations in xfwm? Since I already know the hotkeys, I'd like to dispense with the titlebars if I can...
[12:16] <TheSheep> cadfael: you could probably make a custom theme
[12:17] <TheSheep> cadfael: xfce-terminal also has an option for that, but that's just for the terminal
[12:21] <cadfael> Yes, a custom theme perhaps, or to switch out xfwm for a wm that supports titlebar toggle natively. It would surprise me if I was the first to ask this question. But googling around, I don't see a simpler answer.
[12:22] <TheSheep> cadfael: making themes is not that hard
[12:22] <TheSheep> cadfael: you can look at an existing one and try to modify it
[12:23] <cadfael> Okay then, I will try that first. Surely it can't be that hard. Thank you.
[12:24] <rusman_y_d> cadfael try do to /etc/usr/share/themes/....currenttheme.../xfcwm/ and edit themerc file
[12:24] <rusman_y_d> *go to
[12:24] <TheSheep> make a copy...
[12:38] <cadfael> Thanks again.
[13:24] <xubuntu234> hello all
[13:25] <cfhowlett> xubuntu234, greetings
[13:25] <xubuntu234> anyone here know if it is good voyager 12.04? , I beseech answer
[13:26] <cfhowlett> xubuntu234, umm ... english?
[13:26] <xubuntu234> are from romania
[13:27] <baizon> xubuntu234: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/voyager.html
[13:27] <baizon> xubuntu234: i would recommend xubuntu, voyager isnt that good
[13:27] <GridCube> xubuntu234, voyager its not a recognized distribution
[13:27] <xubuntu234> this is a good operating system?
[13:28] <cfhowlett> xubuntu234, is good
[13:28] <baizon> xubuntu234: xubuntu > voyager
[13:28] <xubuntu234> which is better? Xubuntu or voyager?
[13:28] <xubuntu234> aha ok
[13:29] <GridCube> xubuntu234, you are asking in #xubuntu, what answer do you expected
[13:29] <baizon> GridCube: the truth :>
[13:29] <xubuntu234> 12.04 Voyager I installed the stick, and after installation, I recognized Grub
[13:30] <SonikkuAmerica> He installed a stick? :)
[13:30] <xubuntu234> now
[13:30] <cfhowlett> SonikkuAmerica, ESL  ... pretty sure he meant he installed from a USB stick
[13:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Ah.
[13:31] <xubuntu234> I installed the stick on a hard
[13:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Pardon my Murrica.
[13:31] <xubuntu234> stick with the voyager 12.04
[13:32] <koegs> xubuntu234: just install a plain Xubuntu 12.04 or 12.10 and you are good to go
[13:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Don't know much about Voyager, but I have corresponded with dedoimedo in the past... but yeah, why would I choose it over a French-language Xubuntu
[13:33] <cfhowlett> sacre bleu!
[13:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Voi si je m'inquiète.
[13:34] <xubuntu234> I love Xubuntu is a good operating system
[14:44] <Id_> just installing funbuntu. is it good of hidding gay kiddy porn???
[14:45] <Id_> nah am joking :)
[14:45] <GridCube> !coc | Id_
[14:46] <Id_> not reading
[14:46] <Id_> cant :(
[14:46] <Id_> am a mong
[14:46] <GridCube> well, respect the code of conduct please then, there are things that are not even jokes
[14:47] <Id_> The code of coduct has to earn my respect first!
[14:48] <GridCube> not really
[14:48] <Id_> yeah. unless its not a bruv it dont get no respect nigga
[14:50] <Id_> am sorry i am off me head on jewish blood seeds.
[14:51] <packetfrog> Id_ Take it somewhere else.
[14:51] <Id_> where to?
[14:51] <packetfrog> Try #defocus or #politics
[14:52] <packetfrog> You will have more fun. I assure you.
[14:52] <Id_> ok thanks man. good bye people :)
[14:52]  * packetfrog waves
[14:53] <packetfrog> dont forget to /part #xubuntu and /join #somethingelse
[15:38] <xubuntu065> hello, does xubuntu work well on older hardware? Got a old notebook with intel  celeron 1300 MHz, 512 MB RAM.
[15:39] <baizon> xubuntu065: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[15:39] <baizon> look under Minimum system requirements
[15:40] <GridCube> xubuntu065, lubuntu its recommended, or xubunt 12.04, sadly xubuntu aint recommended for old hardware anymmore
[15:41] <xubuntu065> Tahnk u GridCube, can u recommend a ditstro?
[15:41] <holstein> xubuntu065: lubuntu is what GridCube just recommended.. though, you can try xubuntu live and see
[15:42] <GridCube> puppy, slitaz, tinycore, dsl, slax, lubuntu, all should work xubuntu065
[15:42] <xubuntu065> thank u
[15:43] <xubuntu065> lubuntu probably the fanciest one??
[15:43] <packetfrog> largest of those
[15:43] <packetfrog> :>
[15:43] <GridCube> its ubuntu based, so probably, though slitaz its pretty enough, and puppy its powerful enough, and tinycore its tiny enough, and dsl its too
[15:44] <holstein> xubuntu065: AFAIK, they all have a live mode, try them and see which fits your needs
[15:44] <xubuntu065> imo pupy slitaz dsl all look oldfashiond
[15:44] <xubuntu065> i tried them all already :)
[15:45] <holstein> xubuntu065: if you are looking for a distro for old-fashioned hardware....
[15:45] <GridCube> P: you will gotta live with that with old fashioned hardware xubuntu065,though you can always prettify
[15:47] <xubuntu065> i want it all , fancy look, fast, little, good performance, great hw support. haha :)
[15:48] <koegs> bodhi linux, ubuntu based, E17 window manager
[15:48] <Xajinal> Have you tried enlightenment? It's extremely quick even with a lot of flashy effects
[15:48] <GridCube> i liked slitaz, it looked nice for me
[15:50] <xubuntu065> Haha, i actually supposed to joke and got new dsitros. This is nice.
[15:50] <xubuntu065> Didnt try Lighwight nor bodhi
[15:50] <xubuntu065> thx 4 recommending
[15:51] <holstein> xubuntu065: the hardware support is not a problem.. the memory you have and the celeron might be.. i used to run main ubuntu 10.04 with gnome2 on my celeron 900 with 1 gb of ram.. i would just try some things live and see.. peppermintOS is a nice LXDE implementation
[15:51] <Xajinal> The fastest OS is always one you have compiled from source naturally... so Gentoo might be worth checking out, though it will take more time to configure initially
[15:53] <xubuntu065> Somehow I have the feeling this is a much more friendly community the suse :)
[15:53] <xubuntu065> I'll give the lightweight a try
[15:53] <packetfrog> :)
[15:54] <GridCube> xubuntu065, you can install xfce on puppy and use some fancy theme
[15:55] <xubuntu065> also a very nice idea GridCube
[16:15] <aiena> Is there a way to find out CPU and graphics card and other temperatures in xubuntu
[16:17] <packetfrog> aiena There are dock apps for cpu/hdd/gpu if a remember right
[16:17] <aiena> you mean panel
[16:17] <koegs> aiena: lsusb, lspci or lshw
[16:18] <koegs> oh, sorry, did read that wrong
[16:18] <packetfrog> also apt-get hddtemp sensors-applet
[16:18] <GridCube> !sensors
[16:18] <packetfrog> Thank god for gridcube :)
[16:18] <aiena> hmm what aboutout gpu and mother board temperatures ?
[16:19] <aiena> thanks gridcube for this link though :)
[16:20] <packetfrog> aiena lm sensors does motherboard
[16:20] <GridCube> aiena, all sensors informations is available trhough lmsensors
[16:20] <packetfrog> and gpu apparently :>
[16:20] <aiena> ok wow !! :)
[16:20] <GridCube> you need to add some program that can use lm sensor though, like an applet for the panel, there are many
[16:21] <holstein> aiena: i use conky
[16:22] <aiena> I am a 3D hobbyist so I use my PC for rendering so it can get hot and it does get handy to monitor temperatures
[16:22] <aiena> holstein: will have a look
[16:23] <aiena> holstein: is conky a terminal app like alsamixer or it has a gui and integrates with the desktop ?
[16:23] <holstein> !info conky
[16:24] <packetfrog> aiena Conky makes an overlay on your desktop outputting info for you
[16:24] <holstein> ^^ i use the overlay on the deskop
[16:24] <packetfrog> aiena images.google.com search Conky screenshot and you can see some crazy setups people have
[16:25] <aiena> packetfrog: I have a realtek card on my PC which gives awesome output on WIndowswhen I run ALSAmixer in terminal it list my card so I assume that linux is detecting it butI dont get that good quality sound
[16:25] <aiena> should I install the realtek driver on the website ?
[16:26] <holstein> !audio
[16:27] <packetfrog> ^
[16:27] <holstein> aiena: i would open a terminal and run "aplay -l"
[16:27] <holstein> if you see output there, then, i would move on to "alsamixer" and trust *none* of the labels.. then, to pavucontrol also trusting no labels
[16:28] <aiena> holstein: Built in analog input is listed but not my realtek device
[16:28] <aiena> but alsa mixer list the device
[16:28] <aiena> weird
[16:28] <holstein> aiena: trust *no* labels
[16:29] <aiena> the built in stereo sounds crap
[16:29] <holstein> aiena: built in analog device could be it
[16:29] <holstein> aiena: also, if you are using 2 devices, and you can disable one in the bios, one that you are never going to use anyway.. that can make life easier
[16:30] <aiena> hmm its a laptop so I guess the soundcard is integrated
[16:30] <holstein> aiena: you can check the bios and see if it can be disabled...
[16:39] <Faris> Hi. What's the simplest way to share wi-fi using wi-fi itself ?
[16:39] <Faris> I get internet from Wi-Fi, and I want to share it using the same wi-fi adapter.
[16:39] <Faris> I know it's possible under windows using "Connectify Hotspot"
[16:39] <Faris> Is there such a solution under xubuntu ?
[16:41] <holstein> Faris: http://askubuntu.com/questions/72989/how-to-share-my-wifi-internet-via-wifi
[16:41] <GridCube> Faris, http://askubuntu.com/questions/1385/how-to-set-up-ubuntu-as-wireless-accesspoint
[16:41] <Faris> Thank you!
[16:44] <Faris> by the way, how do we call this kind of wi-fi sharing ?
[16:44] <xfce> ap mode
[16:44] <Faris> ap for access point ?
[16:44] <xfce> check ur adapter first
[16:45] <Faris> It already proved that it could do it under windows
[16:45] <xfce> there is 2 types , ad-hoc and ap
[16:46] <xfce> on ad-hoc u can use encrypt web, on ap mode u can do it wpa wpa2 etc
[16:46] <holstein> Faris: the windows driver support is irrelevant
[16:47] <Faris> is it normal that I may only share with wpa2 encryption ?
[16:47] <Faris> and that I cannot do it without encryption at all?
[16:48] <xfce> no is not, if u can do wpa2 u should be able to do wpa/wep aswell
[17:04] <xubuntu064> Hi all. I need to know how set spanish language in Xubuntu
[17:06] <xubuntu064> I instaled only spanish language and the OS is still in english!
[17:06] <GridCube> xubuntu064, you need the language pack
[17:07] <baizon> xubuntu064: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1152032
[17:07] <baizon> xubuntu064: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/setting-languages/
[17:07] <GridCube> :) xubuntu064 you can also come join us in #ubuntu-es if you want to
[17:07] <cgardner> Hey guys, I have a dual screen setup, and it seems that my VGA connected monitor is offset to the left and wrapped.  Has anyone seen this before?
[17:08] <GridCube> offset?
[17:08] <GridCube> you mean like when you maximize a window it doesnt occupy the whole screen?
[17:08] <xubuntu064> thank's for the link
[17:09] <cgardner> GridCube: It does take the whole screen, but it's pushed to the left, and the stuff that should be off the screen is on the right.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/vl1rqagc0e0nwbq/IMG_20130419_100000.jpg
[17:09] <cgardner> That picture shows what it's doing
[17:09] <cgardner> This is a fresh install with only a few packages installed
[17:10] <GridCube> oh i see
[17:11] <cgardner> weird, right?
[17:11] <GridCube> cgardner, see if you dont have over "suposition?" of space using arandr
[17:14] <cgardner> GridCube: how do I do that?
[17:15] <GridCube> open arandr and see
[17:15] <GridCube> with your eyes P:
[17:17] <cgardner> It doesn't look weird, and I moved the screens around a bit to see if it made any differences.  It didn't
[17:21] <GridCube> try changing they orders
[17:21] <GridCube> like one on top of the other or its sides
[17:21] <GridCube> see if that changes something
[17:22] <GridCube> restart xfwm4 with xfwm4 --replace and then restart the panels using xfce4-panel --restart
[17:24] <cgardner> neither worked
[17:25] <GridCube> change the monitor resolutions using arandr?
[17:25] <cgardner> not using arandr, but I did change the resolutions
[17:30] <Cheri703> cgardner, it is not the "officially supported" method, but I installed xfce 4.12 to deal with my dual monitor setup and it has been completely fine for me
[17:30] <Cheri703> I did this: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-multiple-monitors-in-xubuntu.html
[17:31] <cgardner> Cheri703: I tried that yesterday, but I had the same problem.  I re-installed this morning thinking that that was the problem...  Turns out that I was wrong.
[17:31] <cgardner> :(
[17:31] <Cheri703> OHHHH
[17:31] <Cheri703> I know what you're talking about
[17:32] <Cheri703> where when you boot up your mouse goes on to the other screen, right?
[17:32] <Cheri703> boot without the vga monitor connected, then plug it in after. it'll work fine
[17:32] <Cheri703> it's super duper annoying
[17:32] <Cheri703> what video card do you have?
[17:32] <Cheri703> that happens with mine if I use a vga and a non-vga
[17:33] <Cheri703> OR install amd catalyst (if it's an amd card) (though to be fair, this one only worked when I used regular ubuntu, I had hiccups with xubuntu) and you can set it up in there and it's happier
[18:00] <techno__> Hello all, I am looking to get involved with a linux community if someone could point me in the right directions that would be much appreciated
[18:01] <GridCube> techno__, :) please join #xubuntu-devel
[18:01] <techno__> thank you
[18:13] <nantou> dear xubuntu helpers
[18:13] <nantou> the printer is holding a work on hold and i dont know why
[18:14] <nantou> I have cancelled it several times, after waiting for 5 minutes only to see that it didnt do anything
[18:15] <GridCube> Cheri703, P: this might be your area of expertise
[18:16] <Cheri703> I'd suggest rebooting both printer and computer and trying it again
[18:17] <packetfrog> nantou This is the ubuntu printer troubleshooting page, for reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems
[20:24] <xubuntu815> another successful install  :)
[20:25] <xubuntu815> quick question - what is the best way to get vpn set up against a checkpoint fw?
[20:26] <xubuntu815> anyone had success with that?
[20:28] <xubuntu815> i spend a few hours with snx and various vpnc kvpn etc configs but none worked, hoping xubuntu is a bit better
[23:38] <cadfael> Q: In thunar, I often use the ctrl-S hotkey to find useful files with "Select by Pattern". It's a great feature, but it would be even better if it was case-insensitive. Didnt see anything in thunarrc about this. Does anyone know howto fix this plz?
[23:39] <packetfrog> Sorry I do no not.   Im just a user like you though.
[23:40] <packetfrog> You should be able to use Regex
[23:41] <packetfrog> something like [gG][a-bA-B].*
[23:45] <cadfael> Of course, and yes I know to do regex. But writing regular expressions isn't the fastest way to search. Ctrl-S is already super-useful, case-insensitive would just make it a little quicker.
[23:46] <cadfael> Anyhow, if case-insensitive isnt avail, then I will have to make do. Maybe lodge a feature request somewhere.