[00:10] Noticed that Libreoffice doesn't highlight menu buttons in the global menu in Raring. Where should I report this? Is this a known issue? [00:14] Anyone here familiar with Libreoffice? As a developer? [00:15] I need to ask a brief question. [00:18] there is #libreoffice you can try [00:18] Thanks. Just wondered if I should report it here since they may not deal with a globalmenu issue. [00:18] and as for b reporting a bug you can use in terminal: ubuntu-bug libreoffice [00:18] bug* [00:19] err that sentence was difficult to type for some reason :) [00:19] Thanks. Just need to check for duplicates. [00:20] no problem [01:18] hello [01:18] why in 13.04 can i not scroll in gtk apps with my scrollwheel unless i am ontop of the 1 PX scroll bar ? and why does the filemanager not have a status bar and is crippled ? [01:18] Good question. [01:19] As you can see, though, Nautilus got itself an overhaul [01:19] yea .. it looks nice [01:20] I'd say so too... but who am I to speak, I don't use Unity. [01:20] Or GNOME 3 [01:20] yea every release gets me closer to not using unity [01:20] Got a flavor switch in mind? [01:21] i might be switching to mint or arch [01:21] ;( [01:21] why [01:21] ? [01:21] did ubuntu fix vino-server yet ? [01:22] Is that the VNC thingie? [01:22] yes [01:22] Dunno. Never used it. [01:22] i don't like when distros ship with broken software [01:22] and i haven't switched from ubuntu since i started using it many years ago [01:22] You know, you're better off switching to KDE, XFCE or LXDE while still using Ubuntu. [01:23] (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu) [01:23] don't like kde , never have ... xfce is nice .... i would prefer gnome-shell [01:23] but i dont mind unity in 12.10 it was getting pretty stable i thought [01:23] Ubuntu GNOME? They're an official flavor now? [01:23] maybe i will have to check that out [01:23] lagbox: Wait till you see 14.04's Unity... [01:23] hehe [01:24] i am not down with sending out the searching to ubuntus servers [01:24] Running on top of Mir rather than X.org and using Qt [01:24] well i can't wait for X to go away [01:24] Meanwhile, the rest of us will still use X [01:24] yes ofcourse [01:25] A new type of X11 will be released soon, rumor has it [01:25] though i believe there is a distro shipping with wayland this year [01:25] by 14.04 gnome will run on wayland/weston [01:25] When everyone in the Linux world quits using X, I will switch to the FreeBSD rip-off they call OS X. [01:25] for me things have been only getting worse in the last few releases, not better [01:25] SonikkuAmerica, hehe [01:26] darwin kernel [01:26] No, Mach [01:26] ah [01:26] UNIX kernel nonetheless [01:26] though i guess i can't go back to 12.10 easily so i better fix these problems [01:26] Nope [01:26] No east way to do that [01:27] Or west, south or north... *easy [01:27] exactly ... i know ... ive been dealing with fixing stuff myself since 1998 when i started using linux [01:27] I'll cry when X dies for good. [01:27] i was really happy when ubuntu came out and fixed the debian package issues ... it got very stable, but it seems like it is changing almost to fast lately [01:28] bjsnider: Didn't know that... [01:28] it's very much in the works right now [01:28] I know Wayland is C++, is it built off Qt/QML? [01:28] the work is happening as we speak [01:28] my issue is i have never like qt or kde ... but it seems like ubuntu is making the push to qt [01:29] but the latest qt stuff looks nice from a development standpoint [01:29] lagbox: XFCE and LXDE aren't... they will stick with GTK+ 3ff. 'till they die [01:29] At least for now. [01:30] i understand [01:30] i wouldnt expect them to switch [01:30] If GNOME abandons GTK+, XFCE will probably continue to use it. [01:30] hehe [01:30] that is funny [01:31] and i was just getting good with Vala :) [01:31] They could rename it XForms, and XFCE could get its name back! :) [01:31] well i guess i have a lot of decisions to make [01:31] Fun fact: LXDE is 30% XFCE-based. [01:32] i was content with unity .. but i don't think i agree with the direction it is going ... but i am one man [01:33] The only reason I use XFCE is it's the best fit for the Ubuntu Studio setup for an Intel 965 whose highest res is 1024 [01:33] good point [01:33] i do like xfce .. i always have it installed [01:33] And because zequence likes XFCE the best. [01:33] i just have been a gnome fan since back in the day [01:34] I <3 GNOME and GTK+... would be sad to see it die off... why can't they rewrite GTK+ in C++ anyway? [01:34] considering all the useful stuff i do comes from compiz anyway as long as i can continue to use compiz i am happy [01:34] Or just all Python? [01:34] i didn't mind gtk++ i had fun with it [01:34] There's only 1 "+" in GTK+ [01:34] or use vala to interact with the gobject system [01:34] no .. gtk++ gtkmm [01:35] c++ lib for gtk+ [01:35] That would be awesome... [01:35] * SonikkuAmerica dreams of GTK+ 4 in C++ [01:35] it has been around for awhile [01:35] :\ [01:35] meep [01:36] could be dead for all i know though .. i have used it before [01:36] though it seems the trend is going toward functional languages now [01:37] GTK+ 3 is functional... look at GNOME 3! :) [01:37] haha [01:38] However... I am no programmer, just a visionary, ambitious college freshman. So kick me off the cliff. XD [01:39] I would run Ubuntu with Unity if I had a more powerful machine. [01:39] understood [01:39] though i will have to hit the web and figure out how to get these obvious things working [01:40] since unity is the default for ubuntu it should be working good ... scrolling issues are a no go [01:40] Oh right... you came here with a support question...!! lol [01:40] i like to talk too :) [01:40] this is the year for linux though [01:41] You bet. With XP dying, this is the big shot for us to make Linux more popular than ever before! [01:41] exactly [01:41] which is why i think ubuntu should be backing off the phone shh..tuff for a bit and focusing on the desktop [01:41] there is a vacuum in the desktop market with Mac and Windows going for mobile .. .there is no reason for ubuntu to be jumping into phones so quick when that market is saturated at the moment [01:44] but that is my opinion ... with mir they will be able to tackle desktop and mobile but i think they should be focusing on making the best desktop experience not the best all around on any device experience [01:45] oh yeah i can scroll in xchat ... how exciting ... lol [01:46] lagbox: I actually see things on Mark Shuttleworth's side in this case, no matter how much I appear to badmouth him. [01:46] I mean, try implementing X (esp X11) on a tablet. [01:46] It's horrible. [01:46] ofcourse [01:46] Unless you're like the Plasma Active devs [01:47] but why push into a market that is saturated by android when the desktop market is opening up ? [01:48] What's a desktop again? Remind me what that ancient thing is. [01:48] XD [01:48] Oh yeah. That thing. [01:49] desktops and laptops aren't going away any time soon [01:49] But yeah, I see where the repugnancy of Windows 6.2 (call it what it is, Microdaft!) can get a little opening in the desk/laptop market. [01:49] though my droid x played video better than my previous laptop did .. which was interesting (graphics card issue) [01:49] The Droid X doesn't use X11. [01:49] people are starting to push back a bit against microcrap [01:50] ofcourse not [01:50] I like the Razr HD the best. [01:50] my father has one [01:50] i am going for a galaxy as my next phone ... so i can install ubuntu on it and stock android [01:50] i do want to play with ubuntu on the phone because i think it is a good idea ... but i worry about directing to many resources to it [01:51] I played with it in the Verizon store... played the DLF Indian Premier League T20 highlights as if there wasn't a server problem. [01:51] nice [01:51] lagbox: Ubuntu Touch? [01:51] yes i would suppose that is the name [01:51] Not really... [01:52] not really what [01:52] I have a buddy who messed with his Razr and put Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on it (flashed a .img with CWM) [01:52] Worked (slightly) well [01:53] i just want to see what the touch interface is all about ... the guys on the linux action show had some nice things to say about it .. but at the time it was terribly limited in what you could do [01:53] It's a little better now, but still in open alpha [01:54] i figured [01:54] Galaxy Nexus and Google Nexus 4/7/10 [01:54] then again 13.04 is considered alpha [01:54] GSM-only [01:54] Umm.... we're in Beta 2 if you didn't notice on the Web site. [01:54] and it is to be released in 6 days .. its my bday present i guess [01:54] i did [01:54] April 25? [01:54] 25th release ... bday 24th [01:54] Oh. [01:55] my bad ... the upgrade manager in 12.10 says 13.04 is alpha [01:55] Outdated release notes, is all [01:56] yea [01:57] so i guess ubuntu didn't want to wait for wayland ... or just doesn't want to rely on 3rd parties anymore ? [01:57] i guess i need to get my names straight here .... canonical [01:59] Hmm... maybe a question for #ubuntu-discuss... [01:59] good point [02:00] so the status bar issue in nautilus ... they have removed it even the option to have it ... this is what i am talking about .. going the wrong way [02:00] not even an option [02:02] Did you check in Edit > Prefs? [02:02] there is no such thing [02:02] i mean in the prefs [02:02] Excuse me (like I said I'm using XFCE so expect some blatant ignance) [02:03] its all good [02:03] yea the option doesn't exist [02:04] (Ejukashun xpensiv? Tri ignance!) :) [02:05] I guess the GNOME people dumped it. You can still go up to the root directory and manually browse, or run [ nautilus /path/to/dir ] in a terminal or by Alt+F2'ing the dash. [02:05] nautilus has a floating status bar [02:06] A floating one, not a sinking one? [02:07] my problem is i only use the status bar to show free space [02:08] now i have to right click a folder go to properties and find it there ... kinda annoying [02:08] Well, we always had that option. I started with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. It was always there (I was a Windows migrant) [02:09] ofcourse [02:09] if you can't get that information easily it is just insane to me [02:10] I guess you're one of the people that thinks a gesture and 3 clicks is too much to turn off a desktop machine then? :) [02:10] no [02:10] You'd enjoy Windows "8" (6.2) then. [02:10] can't stand it [02:11] <3 it (but I have a penabled graphics tablet) [02:11] exactly [02:11] (I'm a guy, I promise) [02:11] its nice on a tablet [02:11] It has a keyboard and Synaptics touchpad too. [02:11] In most ways, it's a laptop. [02:13] nice [02:13] But Unity is no longer viable (at least to me) on a 1024. [02:13] (I think it's unethical to hide the launcher) [02:14] i have mine autohide always [02:14] takes up to much space [02:16] I wouldn't hide it on a 16:9 display [02:17] Be back in a flash [02:33] ugg [02:38] yea not finding any information about this [02:40] any Ubuntu Raring release parties? [02:41] anyone know of any issue with mouse wheel scrolling in the new nautilus (3.6) rediculously named Files ? [03:22] upgrading to ubuntu 13.04, seeing this: (EE) module ABI minor version (1) is newer than the server's version (0) [03:23] on loading the "ati" module [03:24] any idea what i'm looking for? [03:27] seems like the xserver and ati driver that 13.04 has currently are not compatible? [03:31] oh. and 13.04 is frozen. so open-source radeon driver appears to be broken on release, if i understand right :/ [03:35] oh wait, i might have a different X server version installed for some reason.... [03:36] that looks better. [03:36] panic off :) [05:13] anyone know of any issue with mouse wheel scrolling in gtk apps [05:17] perhaps a lib issue because of upgrade [05:17] lagbox: clean installs are always a good idea [05:17] this is true [05:33] the weird part is if i click the scroll wheel and move it ... it does scroll === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson [07:51] quit [08:06] what is raring ringtail final release date? === popey_ is now known as popey [08:11] !release [08:11] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [08:11] piffle [08:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule [08:11] quarq: ^^^ [08:26] hi, k9copy is not available in raring? [08:29] thanks all [08:40] !find k9copy [08:40] File k9copy found in gnome-icon-theme-gartoon-redux [08:41] guess not [09:02] bazhang: thanks, wikipedia says the author stopped the development. I installed the package from quantal, seems to work [09:18] Pidgin keeps not responding when I open it. Any ideas as to what might be causing this? [09:29] I just upgraded ubuntu and now gnome terminal shows unicode boxes instead of colours. Any suggestions appreciated [09:30] (from raring to raring, just did a dist-upgrade) [10:06] anyone know what base 14.04 will start on? from raring, or precise [10:06] etc [10:07] Fudg let's first wait for 13.10 [10:08] oh yeah I forgot about that one :$ [10:08] silly me [10:09] who decides how much accessibility attention point releases get? [10:09] Fudg: LTS releases sync with debian testing [10:11] yeats thanks, I think I mean more the Unity accessibility to make sure everything is working etc in relation to accessibility :) [10:12] Fudg: I was answering your question about 14.04 - I can't answer about accessibility [10:13] thanks mate === brot_ is now known as brot [10:27] hello [10:28] if i download and install the daily 13.04 ,will that differ from the final in substance? [10:30] today? yes. noone knows what the final will look like. but it will upgrade to the final anyway :) [11:01] (matriks404) It is safe to update ubuntu 12.10 to 13.04 daily? Any important bugs? [11:18] k1l_: check the prv msg clown [11:18] u cna ban me here too if u got op, but trust me, in a hour or so, u'll be a clown without rights. [11:18] can* [11:33] chill out [11:47] qum: if you want to discuss that kick and ban join #ubuntu-ops (like mentioned in the channel guidelines) but dont missuse the support channels for that. [11:49] nah, i don't want to discus anything. I got that covered. [11:57] im finding that when the kubuntu installers tries to install the bootloader it fails to install grub-install dummy [11:57] this is the error from syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724219/ [11:58] these lines in particular: [11:58] Apr 20 11:49:58 kubuntu grub-installer: error: Running 'grub-install --force failed. [11:58] Apr 20 11:49:58 kubuntu kernel: [ 274.164004] efivars: set_variable() failed: status=8000000000000009 [11:58] does anyone know what might be causing that [11:58] and how i can get the installer to skip past it [11:59] oh i think it might be this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1167622 [11:59] Launchpad bug 1167622 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot change EFI variables using efibootmgr (raring regression)" [Medium,Confirmed] [12:19] hello [12:19] where can i download the today's image from? [12:19] l_r: are you installing with UEFI? [12:19] if you are don't. [12:19] Kalidarn, what is uefi? [12:20] is your system new? [12:20] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface [12:20] Kalidarn, i usually download an image . burn in on a dvd and then install on sda [12:20] i mean the motherboard [12:20] Kalidarn, if there's a way to avoid the burning part then that would be better [12:20] yeah i usually use a usb stick [12:21] in any case most recent system boards have EFI [12:21] and currently if you use the latest daily for ubuntu it will fail :) like above [12:21] (if you use EFI) [12:21] which most current systems do [12:21] i don't think i have efi [12:22] the laptop is 6 years old [12:22] oh yeah you wouldn't then [12:22] so it'll work just fine [12:22] in any case i usually get them from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ [12:23] thx [12:23] 2013/04/18 worked fine on my old workstation [12:23] kubuntu and ubuntu are in sync? [12:23] what do you mean [12:23] with regard to the core components [12:24] hmm [12:24] kernel versions, sys libs [12:24] yes [12:24] etc... [12:24] exactly the same source [12:24] they get them from [12:24] Howdy all [12:24] the only difference with kubuntu is it installs KDE instead of unity [12:24] all the system libraries and kernels come from exactly the same place (as they are exactly the same) [12:25] so in sync probably isn't the best way to think about it as they only come from one place. [12:58] Hey again [13:07] wassup BluesKaj [13:07] hey philinux , not much , youy ? [13:08] nah chillin [13:10] managed to get my ext4 drives recognized in W7 , strange because it worked so easliy this time vs no luck with in my previous attempts [13:11] BluesKaj: how u manage that in w7 [13:11] Ext2Fsd [13:11] ah nice [13:27] i have a strange problem, my music and downloads folder have gone missing from 'places' in my file manager [13:27] anyone know how to replace them? [13:35] i like the idea of parallel tasks when installing [13:38] never tried it because I'm in the boonies and updating/upgrading during the install process takes too long with my 800kbs dsl service. [13:41] wow BluesKaj that's worse than mine and I thought mine was bad [13:42] pray for Google fiber heh [13:45] hays, well , I could go with cable but it's expensive just for internet service alone , the tv and phone service they provide isn't so good [13:45] cable here is fiber optic [13:45] I am in a similar boat. I don't want/need cable tv/phone, and the internet is expensive.. [13:46] Although I am considering Comcast Business. still I loathe the idea of giving comcast more money [13:46] not sure if they are fiber optic here... its branded "xfinity" which means im sure nothing [13:47] bundling is the only way to save money , they gouge you otherwise [13:47] hi kde plasma desktop start with just black screen and no other graphic. Suggestion? [13:47] 16/3 is $70 per month [13:47] (for business class) [13:48] other desktops works fine [13:49] admin_dav, do you get to the kubuntu greeter page /lightdm where you login or just ablack screen after the grub menu ? [13:51] BluesKaj after login on lightdm kde starts but on black screen, without graphics. Now I'm on kde but to start app i use alt-f2. [13:51] admin_dav, did you install kubuntu-desktop? [13:52] yes, i've tried to remove and install kubuntu-desktop, kde-standard and so on. Nothing [13:53] do you have a panel with Kmenu etc? [13:54] nothing, i see just black screen. The system works because with alt-f2 i can run everything [13:55] ok , try ctrl+alt+F1 , login again , then ctrl+alt+F7 [14:01] same problem [14:03] when i login (graphic mode) on kde desktop it starts, usually icons but enter with black screen and no other graphic [14:04] other desktop works fine [14:07] blueskaj What did you mean before? [14:09] admin_dav, do you have a cursor showing on the dektop , if so right click and choose "default desktop settings" [14:11] i have a cursor but nothing happen when i right click.... [14:12] admin_dav, the Xserver is obviously not working properly then , which graphics card ? [14:13] nvidia but with other desktop (example enlightment) all works... [14:13] Can I re-install xserver? [14:14] nvidia GT520 [14:22] admin_dav: I doubt reinstalling will solve; I have a similar issue (starts OK with KDE, then display freezes), and I am still trying to figure out what causes it [14:23] this started last week, or so [14:24] admin_dav, run glxinfo | grep OpenGL , you probly have to install mesa-utils for the command to work , the driver is "version string "in the output. For example , "OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 310.44" [14:29] blues here output: OpenGL version string: 4.2.0 NVIDIA 304.88 [14:30] ok then the driver seems properly installed , try sudo nvidia-xconfig then startx [14:30] hggdh Do you have a balck screen? [14:31] i try [14:34] before you do starx i just remembered the lightddm display has to be stopped , sudo service lightdm stop [14:34] startx [14:35] admin_dav: no. As I said, the display freezes after a while; the last images are still displayed [14:36] blues i've tried. I have (really) a gray screen and the right mouse button works. It seems openbox desktop but i have no graphics [14:41] hi I got a problem with phpmyadmin under ubuntu 13.04, I cannot open the phpmyadmin on my own machine via localhost, what can I do to solve this problem? [14:47] It' installed via lampp [14:49] im having trouble with a re-install of 13.04, an error occured during the instalation and it said i might have to install some packages on my own, but when unity starts up it is very slow any one have an idea why? [14:51] Good afternoon [14:51] okay this is weird, my ethernet just stopped working [14:51] using driver e1000e [14:51] was working in livecd, doesn't work now it's booted says the plug is unplugged. [14:56] Kalidarn, did you try unplugging and plugging back in [14:56] yes i have [14:57] two different cables [14:57] livecd works, and now booted system does not [14:57] 2 nics ? [14:57] infact i think a recent update broke it :S but i see nothing in logs [14:57] no one. [14:57] it's a laptop lol [14:57] lol? [14:58] i tried sudo ifconfig eth0 down, and sudo modprobe -r e1000e and sudo modprobe e1000e and sudo ifconfig eth0 up and then sudo ifconfig dhclient eth0 [14:58] no luch [14:58] luck [14:59] still thinks it is unplugged, but i reboot and load the live usb stick it works again [14:59] (in the livecd that is) [15:00] Kalidarn: Did you made an Update before it stopped working? [15:01] i think so [15:01] try just , sudo dhclient eth0 [15:01] Did you checked if the Driver is still installed? [15:01] yeah did try that [15:01] yeah it is [15:01] the e1000e is still there [15:01] i unloaded it and loaded it no errors [15:01] and dhclient times out [15:02] if i look in network manager it says the cable i unplugged. [15:02] And you checked if the driver wasnt blacklisted during the update? [15:02] hmm no [15:02] sudo dhclient eth0, times out Kalidarn? [15:02] yeah it doesn't get an IP [15:03] and /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is empty [15:03] Kalidarn, assume you aren't using network manager ? [15:03] i am [15:03] it says the plug is unplugged [15:03] doesn't report any other issues [15:04] do you have wifi , Kalidarn? [15:04] yes thats what im using right now [15:06] and yeah network manager just says http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724665/ that under the connection [15:06] (i censored the mac address) [15:06] I have to go foer a fe mins , my xorg is acting up [15:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724683/ [15:10] that's taking the network interface down and back up [15:10] doesn't reveal anything wrong [15:28] please help me to install ringtail dual boot alongside mint [15:28] im on the stage "edit partition " [15:29] use as ? [15:29] and mount point ? [15:29] is it ok ext4 ? [15:30] may i use /boot as mountpoint ? [15:31] please help cause i tried / as mountpoint and ringtail installed but it does not show up at booting [15:32] gonna have to try bymeself [15:32] i have a strange question. i accidentally deleted my music and my download directories. i created new folders but they no longer show up in 'places' in nautilus. how can i fix this? [15:33] habanany, do you have / already setup as a mountpoint for mint ? [15:33] forgot to mantion, i want to install ringtail in the first partition where windows [15:34]