smartboyhwNoskcaj: create a VM, and run commands that will show the RAM in the VM00:59
Noskcajsmartboyhw, i meant what file do i put the stuff into, or can i run it from the source code?00:59
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Have you edited the code yet? If yes, just do "python setup.py build && sudo python setup.py install && testdrive-gtk"01:03
Noskcajok, thanks. i've put up a merge for my other fix too01:04
smartboyhwNoskcaj: I'm currently damned with adding Ubuntu GNOME and UbuntuKylin in:( It keeps on saying there's a NoneError when it shouldn't01:05
Noskcaj:(, maybe netboot would be easier to add01:06
smartboyhwI'm worrying that the ui code is much larger (when I looked at the gtk change for Lubuntu I was amazed by the diff)01:06
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Of course netboot was easier:P01:06
Noskcajit didn't work :(01:08
Noskcajdo you know how the "other" setting is meant to work?01:09
smartboyhwNoskcaj: I dunno, that "other" setting was broken. It should show up a dialog box for us to choose the size, but it didn't.01:10
Noskcajthought so01:10
Noskcajalso, i think parrellels is broken01:13
smartboyhwNoskcaj: I wonder who uses Parallels these days.01:14
Noskcajno one, we should get it taken out, or fixed01:14
Noskcajfiling bug now01:14
smartboyhwNoskcaj: +101:18
Noskcajbug 117104501:18
ubot5bug 1171045 in TestDrive "Parallels is broken in testdrive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117104501:18
Noskcajanything i would need to attach?01:19
Noskcajwould you mind going through the bug lists and confirming a few i've put up?01:19
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Not now01:20
smartboyhwI'm on mobile:P01:20
Noskcajfor everyone: can you confirm some of the bugs here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/testdrive/?orderby=-id&start=001:21
Noskcajsmartboyhw, do you have any idea what file the "file" menu's data is in?01:21
smartboyhwNoskcaj: What "file" menu?01:23
Noskcajfile, edit, help01:23
smartboyhwAh ah ah.01:23
smartboyhwGo to data/ui and search for the word "file":P01:24
Noskcajok, ty01:26
Noskcajshould we have lubuntu as a default in testdrive?02:03
smartboyhwNoskcaj: How's your Testdrive hacking?03:37
Noskcajsmartboyhw, i've got a branch with lubuntu as a default tab now. i've not done much else because i'm trying to run some iso tests. you?03:40
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Lubuntu as default tab? Why?03:41
Noskcajsmartboyhw, many people want it, and it's now used more than Xubuntu or Kubuntu03:42
smartboyhwNoskcaj: For the last sentence, I need figures.03:42
smartboyhwLubuntu is OK to be as default03:43
Noskcajdistrowatch.org is the only thing, also activity on social networks is higher than xubuntu (probably because of ali linx)03:43
smartboyhwBut your last sentence needs solid proof03:43
Noskcajenough proof for you or do i need to try and find more?03:46
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Rebuttal in http://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html03:47
Noskcajok, but you'll admit usage is pretty similar, rebuttal: more testing is done for lubuntu03:49
smartboyhwNoskcaj: That's not proof. People can like Kubuntu but have no time to test.03:50
Noskcajtrue. this is a really stupid argument03:50
smartboyhwNoskcaj: And for god's sake, Lubuntu has more testers because they have old hardware03:51
smartboyhwI don't care a **** about old hardware03:51
smartboyhwIndeed, I hate powerpc because it wastes so much time to build packages03:52
NoskcajMy actual point: Lubuntu has enough users/testers to warrant a tab in testdrive's default03:52
Noskcajsmartboyhw, i tolerate ppc, because i have no reason not to03:53
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Yep sure.03:53
smartboyhwNoskcaj: You have no reason, I have.03:53
smartboyhwSome Kubuntu people don't even understand the need of amd64+mac ISOs.03:54
Noskcajthat is understandable, kubuntu ppc isn't because no-one has tested it for a year03:55
Noskcajbug 1171062, someone told me about this but never reported the bug, i forget who03:56
ubot5bug 1171062 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""Download updates" checkbox does nothing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117106203:56
Noskcajsmartboyhw, are you on a pc you can confirm LP bugs? i have a massive list for you04:00
Noskcajhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/~doak-jackson/+bugs?orderby=status&start=0 should have the testdrive ones04:02
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smartboyhwNoskcaj, laters:P05:09
smartboyhwGive me some time to have shower.05:09
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smartboyhwNoskcaj, show me your bug page again please06:45
smartboyhwNoskcaj, hmm I still can't the new flavours in:(07:13
smartboyhwI created a menu item for UbuntuKylin along with the others, then let the python script get this object (GtkCheckBox)07:14
smartboyhwAnd it says that object is NoneType:O07:14
smartboyhwAnd good he left:(07:17
smartboyhwThe problem: How come the setup.py build doesn't update the UI file!?07:21
Noskcajsmartboyhw, what did i miss while my internet went down?07:25
smartboyhwNoskcaj, you miss my blibering about Testdrive builds not updating the UI files in /usr/share07:26
Noskcajlol, repost or pm them to my, i care for some reason07:27
smartboyhwNoskcaj, actually you didn't miss anything (just found out)07:27
smartboyhwThat sentence was just my only sentence about this.07:27
smartboyhwNow: Let's wonder why (the hell) the setup.py file doesn't update the UI files.07:28
smartboyhwI can't test...07:29
Noskcajcould you just uninstall then install?07:33
smartboyhwNoskcaj, trying07:33
smartboyhwNoskcaj, I think the problem is that I just simply dunno how to make the dirs work within setup.py install07:49
Noskcajwe need to get dustin or andre to show us how the internals of testdrive work07:50
smartboyhwNoskcaj, hangout?:P07:50
Noskcajas in with those guys and maybe sergio?07:50
smartboyhwNoskcaj, yep.07:51
smartboyhwAnd balloons (obviously)07:51
Noskcajsounds like a good idea, i've got school holidays till wednesday week, so if we can do it before then07:51
smartboyhwNoskcaj, \o/07:52
smartboyhwNoskcaj, I've m.p. the kylin fix.07:52
smartboyhwLet's see does it work or not (it should)07:52
Noskcaj:) now you've done that we really need one of the guys to merge some stuff.07:53
Noskcajthere are 3 old merges, plus two from me07:54
smartboyhwNoskcaj, good question.07:54
smartboyhwNoskcaj, I think we'll need to ask Dustin to add one of us guys to the team.07:54
Noskcajsmartboyhw, yep. should we send him and andre an email?07:55
smartboyhwNoskcaj, you send:P07:55
smartboyhwNoskcaj, I'm not sure about the idea that PowerPC should be added to Testdrive.07:55
smartboyhwAs phillw once pointed out, it would be useless to emulate PowerPC architecture on an amd64 or i386 computer07:56
smartboyhwSince it's after all not real hardware.07:56
smartboyhwNoskcaj10, you lost internet?07:58
Noskcaj10yep, sigh07:58
smartboyhwNoskcaj10, I did write something07:58
smartboyhwNoskcaj10, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5726719/07:59
Noskcaj10smartboyhw, the ppc idea has been canceled. i have to go and eat now, i'll be back soon08:00
smartboyhwNoskcaj10, oh good08:00
Noskcaji'm back08:09
smartboyhwNoskcaj, hurray!08:10
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Noskcajsmartboyhw, i've sent an email about a testdrive hangout/hackfest08:17
smartboyhwNoskcaj, then balloons will tell you: Aren't we supposed to do it at the release party?:P08:17
Noskcaji wonder if that will work, andres and dustin might be busy08:18
smartboyhwNoskcaj, the third point you asked Dustin and Andres is a bit weird08:19
smartboyhwYou can set it up in Launchpad yourself08:19
smartboyhwI can easily have 5 e-mails, IIRC.08:19
Noskcajas in they each have 7 email addresses on their LP, it's confusing08:19
Noskcaji have 2, one of which is a school one i have to have08:19
smartboyhwNoskcaj, let me add @ubuntu.com, @kubuntu.org and @ubuntustudio.org and :P08:20
Noskcajgulp, at least they are redirects.08:20
Noskcaji wonder if i can get an @xubuntu email08:20
Noskcajon a completely different topic, do you have a gaming PC?08:22
smartboyhwNoskcaj, 1. No, unless you propose to knome and 2. Also no:P08:22
smartboyhwNoskcaj, redirects do work :P08:22
Noskcajwhy don't you have a gaming PC? it's a requirement of life ;)08:23
smartboyhwNoskcaj, I don't game.08:23
Noskcaj:( Have you built a PC?08:24
smartboyhwNoskcaj, no either (I need a budget)08:24
Noskcajok, i've built heaps. three for myself (server, gaming and one that broke) plus a heap for other people where i volunteer08:25
smartboyhwNoskcaj, can you get me one with 8-core AMD processors, and 16GB RAM (for free:P)?08:25
Noskcajlol, that's a lot of VMs if you want 16gb08:26
Noskcajhttp://www.overclock.net/g/a/886745/sg09-sg10-owners-thread/ and http://www.overclock.net/t/1374568/volenti-cooler-build has most of my rigs and mods08:27
smartboyhwNoskcaj, you seriously have a BIG budget;O08:28
Noskcajsmartboyhw, no, $1300 over 3 years08:29
Noskcajworth it though08:31
Letozaf_Noskcaj, hello :)08:34
Noskcajhey Letozaf_08:34
Letozaf_Noskcaj, howzit ?08:34
Letozaf_Noskcaj, tell me about testdrive and how I can get involved sounds interesting :)08:35
NoskcajLetozaf_, testdrive is a "hub" program from  iso testing. it is written near entirely in python and has large amounts of probably useless code.08:37
Noskcajsmartboyhw probably understands it better than me, i've just been reporting bugs, mostly08:37
Letozaf_Noskcaj, I have only used it for a while until it stopped working properly and so now I use Virtualbox08:38
Letozaf_Noskcaj, but if I can help out I am here08:39
Noskcajbzr branch lp:testdrive if you want to have a look at the code, sudo apt-add-repository https://launchpad.net/~testdrive/+archive/ppa then sudo apt-get install testdrive08:39
Noskcajtestdrive has an official irc channel, but no-one has used it for years08:40
Noskcajit has 2 administrators who maven't had the time to do much08:41
Letozaf_Noskcaj, thanks I will have a look at it, are you going to start to use that channel now ?08:41
NoskcajLetozaf_, no, we'll just use this channel, testdrive is now supported by the QA team08:41
Letozaf_Noskcaj, ok fine08:42
NoskcajLetozaf_, the main thing anyone can do is confirm all these bugs. i reported most of them08:44
Letozaf_Noskcaj, ok I will do it08:45
Noskcajthanks Letozaf_ that would help a lot08:45
Letozaf_Noskcaj, :)08:46
Noskcajwhere did howard go? i hope he's getting netboot and gnome into testdrive08:53
smartboyhwResult 2013: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers/top2010:01
smartboyhwhey phillw10:01
phillwHI smartboyhw10:01
smartboyhwphillw, :)10:02
smartboyhwphillw, how are your testers?10:15
smartboyhwHey hey SergioMeneses;P17:01
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, morning!17:01
smartboyhwSergioMeneses: What sort of testing will you do today?17:02
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, I'm still working on totem testcase17:03
SergioMenesesand you?17:03
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, bug 111565517:03
ubot5bug 1115655 in Ubuntu Manual Tests trunk "Test Needed: Transmission" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111565517:03
smartboyhwSergioMeneses: DAMN it I forgotten that. SergioMeneses would you like to do that testcase as well?17:04
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, I can but after totem testcase17:07
smartboyhwSergioMeneses: That's OK.17:12
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, and what are you doing?17:13
SergioMenesessomething fun?17:13
smartboyhwSergioMeneses: I added UbuntuKylin into Testdrive today. Noskcaj worked on making Lubuntu a default tab and fixing Virtualbox-related bugs. Both are waiting for a merge.17:14
SergioMenesesomg that's awesome!17:16
phillwgood to hear all seems to be going horribly well :)17:18
smartboyhwphillw: Horribly!!??17:20
phillwindeed... I do not believe in tempting fate :D17:21
smartboyhwphillw: :O17:21
smartboyhwphillw: Can you do me a flavour, and ask your PPC testers that after they have tested Lubuntu and Ubuntu Desktop to try also to test Kubuntu PowerPC.17:22
smartboyhwEven our last main tester can't test now since he can't find a charger.17:23
phillwsure, np.17:23
smartboyhws/tester/PPC tester…17:23
smartboyhwphillw: Thanks!17:24
SergioMenesesphillw, jajaja -> <phillw> good to hear all seems to be going horribly well :)17:24
phillwsmartboyhw: you have mail17:29
phillwsmartboyhw: if he's completely lost it (or it has died), get the details of the machine and country he is in. We *may* be able to him a replacement (but I cannot promise).17:32
phillws/to him/to get him17:32
smartboyhwphillw: OK17:35
smartboyhwThank you again phillw:)17:36
phillwsmartboyhw: as I made clear at the meeting today, it is never one flavour Vs another. As testers we help out any team asking for help :D17:37
smartboyhwphillw: Er what meeting!?17:38
phillwI was in manchester at a F/OSS meetup, it was requested that a tester/QA person attend to give a presentation :)17:43
smartboyhwphillw: Ah that I remember, how's it?17:44
phillwit went well, people taking down notes of various links and asking questions :D17:44
smartboyhwphillw: How many people are interested in QA?17:45
phillwhaving WiFi speeds of upto 1000 kB/s was a new experience for me :)17:45
smartboyhwphillw: 1 MB/s whoa! That's slow:P17:46
phillwout of 15 attendees, 6 are seriously interested :)17:46
smartboyhwphillw: What sort of talks are there except QA?17:47
phillwthere was a presentation on vim, which F/OSS applications replace commercial ones, a python presentation on some of the tools that people may not be aware of, use of virtual machines etc.17:48
phillwit was all recorded, so I hope to get a link to where it is posted up once it has been edited.17:49
smartboyhwphillw: Good:)17:50
phillwwhile I was prepping up a VM for the side-by-side install the iso-tracker died! It was only down ~ 10mins, but nearly gave me a heart attack!17:52
smartboyhwphillw: How come?17:53
phillwDunno, I did ask on -release, but it had come back on before any one replied; so I cancelled my little call for help :)17:53
* smartboyhw does find the ISO QA Tracker relatively slow today, IIRC.17:55
phillwwhat do expect this late in the cycle when we're screaming at people "to test the crap out of iso's" ? :)17:57
smartboyhwphillw: LOL18:05
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, phillw where can I find our last classroom sessions?19:06
JoseeAntonioRwiki, let me grab the link19:07
JoseeAntonioRSergioMeneses: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom19:08
SergioMenesesJoseeAntonioR, thanks!19:09
phillwSergioMeneses once the final tweaks in testdrive land, we will be re-running some of them :)19:29
phillwoooh, the RC's are being added! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker19:33
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SergioMenesesphillw, perfect! :D19:46
phillwthey prepped the area up earlier, just awaiting the -release team to decide as to when they want to suspend the daily builds.19:48
SergioMenesesphillw, but we have the release this week19:48
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phillwSergioMeneseswhich is why I sent the email out :D19:49
SergioMenesesphillw, btw you're going to work on the rolling release format for Lubuntu?19:52
phillwrolling release has been quietly dropped :)19:53
SergioMenesesI see19:53
phillwiirc, it was rejected by the Tech Board.19:55
phillwsabdfl was also not fully behind the idea.20:00
SergioMenesesphillw, free advice, let an space between the name and your text :) if you don't I can see notifications20:14
* SergioMeneses reading phillw link20:14
phillwsoz SergioMeneses I usually do :)20:14
SergioMenesesphillw, jeje dont worry :)20:15
SergioMenesesphilipballew, -> Enable users to continuously track the development focus of Ubuntu as a "rolling release" rather than having to explicitly upgrade20:16
SergioMeneses   For: 0 Against: 3 Abstained: 020:16
SergioMenesesmmmm lol tab trap20:16
SergioMenesesphillw, ↑↑↑↑20:16
phillwSergioMeneses that was the vote :)20:17
philipballewdont worry SergioMeneses , it happens often20:18
SergioMenesesphilipballew, al lot!20:19
SergioMenesesa lot20:19
SergioMenesesphillw, and philipballew take a look and let your comments bug 115743620:19
ubot5bug 1157436 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Totem testcase needs expanded" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115743620:19
NoskcajSergioMeneses, have you seen my email about a testdrive hackfest?20:22
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, I saw it but I don't read it yet20:23
SergioMenesesI'm going to read all email in a while, with my coffee20:24
Noskcajif you see balloons or either of the original devs, make sure they've seen it20:28
phillwSergioMeneses what's totem?20:31
SergioMenesesphillw, :OOO20:33
SergioMenesesphillw, look http://projects.gnome.org/totem/20:33
phillwjajaja :D lubuntu doesn't ship with it :)20:34
SergioMenesesphillw, you're right20:35
phillw1st thing I do on any distro is install vlc, but that's mt personal choice20:35
Noskcaji really wish we could have LC as a default, everyone swaps to it anyway20:37
phillwit's too heavy for lubuntu anyways.20:37
SergioMenesesphillw, Noskcaj vlc rocks! I used amarok but vlc is the best20:38
Noskcajphillw, that surprises me20:38
Noskcajthere's some wierd open source issue that means VLC can't be in ubuntu. if it was, many people would be angry20:39
phillwAudacious has a sibling20:39
phillwNoskcaj: it imports restricted-extras, which need approval for,20:40
phillwthat is why restricted-extras is an additional package. They are not GPL, which is needed for ubuntu.20:41
phillwNoskcaj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats20:42
Noskcajphillw, i've made a merge proposal to have Lubuntu a default tab in testdrive.21:01
NoskcajSergioMeneses, smartboyhw: can one of you try and find where testdrive's Ctrl + O info is? it's just mildly broken21:05
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, it works perfectly21:06
NoskcajSergioMeneses, it always opens things in KVM21:07
SergioMenesesI selected and iso file and open it21:07
phillwNoskcaj: yeah, I saw earlier. Also ubuntu-gnome will need adding. Unless testdrive is translated into chineese I do not think adding ubuntu-kylin needs adding. But, it may worth contacting the testdrive folks to see if they can support such a thing, at which point I will ask the -kylin team for their views on getting it translated.21:07
* SergioMeneses is changing kvm to vbox21:07
Noskcajphillw, as he probably told you, smartboyhw has added kylin and is working on gnome and netboot21:08
Noskcajmaybe he could try a translation after that21:08
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, you're right, if you use Ctrl+O, it use kvm by default21:09
SergioMenesesalways happen21:09
Noskcaji'll try and find my bug about that SergioMeneses21:09
phillwSergioMeneses oddly enough, one of the guys who does presentations for F/OSS has also migrated from VBox to KVM. It's truely F/OSS and does not need the restricted-extras bit to become fully functional.21:09
Noskcajbug 109480421:10
ubot5bug 1094804 in testdrive (Ubuntu) "iso's from outside testdrive always open in QEMU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109480421:10
phillwNoskcaj: just wait until we start to try and get it to work with lxc :D21:10
Noskcajalso, could you guys please confirm all of the testdrive bugs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/testdrive/ and https://bugs.launchpad.net/testdrive/21:10
SergioMenesesphillw, do you have documentation about that?21:11
SergioMenesesit will be interesting21:11
phillwthat is what the automated tests use. I'm going to some further digging on it. http://lxc.sourceforge.net/21:11
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, I've changed the bug to confirmed21:12
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, I have a question, where do you get the bug information?21:13
NoskcajSergioMeneses, what do you mean?21:13
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, the information that you put in the bug description, where did it come from?, where did you get it?21:14
Noskcajubuntu-bug testdrive, back when i wasn't running the testdrive repo version21:15
phillwbug  117094123:31
phillwbug 117094123:31
phillwbug 117094123:32
ubot5bug 1170941 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "Login dialog does not show username or password on first boot." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117094123:32

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