[00:59] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: create a VM, and run commands that will show the RAM in the VM
[00:59] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i meant what file do i put the stuff into, or can i run it from the source code?
[01:03] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Have you edited the code yet? If yes, just do "python setup.py build && sudo python setup.py install && testdrive-gtk"
[01:04] <Noskcaj> ok, thanks. i've put up a merge for my other fix too
[01:05] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: I'm currently damned with adding Ubuntu GNOME and UbuntuKylin in:( It keeps on saying there's a NoneError when it shouldn't
[01:06] <Noskcaj> :(, maybe netboot would be easier to add
[01:06] <smartboyhw> I'm worrying that the ui code is much larger (when I looked at the gtk change for Lubuntu I was amazed by the diff)
[01:06] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Of course netboot was easier:P
[01:08] <Noskcaj> it didn't work :(
[01:09] <Noskcaj> do you know how the "other" setting is meant to work?
[01:10] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: I dunno, that "other" setting was broken. It should show up a dialog box for us to choose the size, but it didn't.
[01:10] <Noskcaj> thought so
[01:13] <Noskcaj> also, i think parrellels is broken
[01:14] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: I wonder who uses Parallels these days.
[01:14] <Noskcaj> no one, we should get it taken out, or fixed
[01:14] <Noskcaj> filing bug now
[01:18] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: +1
[01:18] <Noskcaj> 1171045
[01:18] <Noskcaj> bug 1171045
[01:19] <Noskcaj> anything i would need to attach?
[01:19] <Noskcaj> would you mind going through the bug lists and confirming a few i've put up?
[01:20] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Not now
[01:20] <smartboyhw> I'm on mobile:P
[01:20] <Noskcaj> ok
[01:21] <Noskcaj> for everyone: can you confirm some of the bugs here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/testdrive/?orderby=-id&start=0
[01:21] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, do you have any idea what file the "file" menu's data is in?
[01:23] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: What "file" menu?
[01:23] <Noskcaj> file, edit, help
[01:23] <smartboyhw> Ah ah ah.
[01:24] <smartboyhw> Go to data/ui and search for the word "file":P
[01:26] <Noskcaj> ok, ty
[02:03] <Noskcaj> should we have lubuntu as a default in testdrive?
[03:37] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: How's your Testdrive hacking?
[03:40] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i've got a branch with lubuntu as a default tab now. i've not done much else because i'm trying to run some iso tests. you?
[03:41] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Lubuntu as default tab? Why?
[03:42] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, many people want it, and it's now used more than Xubuntu or Kubuntu
[03:42] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: For the last sentence, I need figures.
[03:43] <smartboyhw> Lubuntu is OK to be as default
[03:43] <Noskcaj> distrowatch.org is the only thing, also activity on social networks is higher than xubuntu (probably because of ali linx)
[03:43] <smartboyhw> But your last sentence needs solid proof
[03:46] <Noskcaj> enough proof for you or do i need to try and find more?
[03:47] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Rebuttal in http://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html
[03:49] <Noskcaj> ok, but you'll admit usage is pretty similar, rebuttal: more testing is done for lubuntu
[03:50] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: That's not proof. People can like Kubuntu but have no time to test.
[03:50] <Noskcaj> true. this is a really stupid argument
[03:51] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: And for god's sake, Lubuntu has more testers because they have old hardware
[03:51] <smartboyhw> I don't care a **** about old hardware
[03:52] <Noskcaj> ok
[03:52] <smartboyhw> Indeed, I hate powerpc because it wastes so much time to build packages
[03:52] <Noskcaj> My actual point: Lubuntu has enough users/testers to warrant a tab in testdrive's default
[03:53] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i tolerate ppc, because i have no reason not to
[03:53] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Yep sure.
[03:53] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: You have no reason, I have.
[03:54] <smartboyhw> Some Kubuntu people don't even understand the need of amd64+mac ISOs.
[03:55] <Noskcaj> that is understandable, kubuntu ppc isn't because no-one has tested it for a year
[03:56] <Noskcaj> bug 1171062, someone told me about this but never reported the bug, i forget who
[04:00] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, are you on a pc you can confirm LP bugs? i have a massive list for you
[04:02] <Noskcaj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~doak-jackson/+bugs?orderby=status&start=0 should have the testdrive ones
[05:09] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, laters:P
[05:09] <smartboyhw> Give me some time to have shower.
[06:45] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, show me your bug page again please
[06:46] <Noskcaj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~doak-jackson/+bugs?orderby=status&start=0
[07:13] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, hmm I still can't the new flavours in:(
[07:14] <smartboyhw> I created a menu item for UbuntuKylin along with the others, then let the python script get this object (GtkCheckBox)
[07:14] <smartboyhw> And it says that object is NoneType:O
[07:17] <smartboyhw> And good he left:(
[07:21] <smartboyhw> The problem: How come the setup.py build doesn't update the UI file!?
[07:25] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, what did i miss while my internet went down?
[07:26] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, you miss my blibering about Testdrive builds not updating the UI files in /usr/share
[07:27] <Noskcaj> lol, repost or pm them to my, i care for some reason
[07:27] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, actually you didn't miss anything (just found out)
[07:27] <smartboyhw> That sentence was just my only sentence about this.
[07:27] <Noskcaj> lolwut
[07:28] <smartboyhw> LOL
[07:28] <smartboyhw> Now: Let's wonder why (the hell) the setup.py file doesn't update the UI files.
[07:29] <smartboyhw> I can't test...
[07:33] <Noskcaj> could you just uninstall then install?
[07:33] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, trying
[07:49] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I think the problem is that I just simply dunno how to make the dirs work within setup.py install
[07:50] <Noskcaj> we need to get dustin or andre to show us how the internals of testdrive work
[07:50] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, hangout?:P
[07:50] <Noskcaj> as in with those guys and maybe sergio?
[07:51] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, yep.
[07:51] <smartboyhw> And balloons (obviously)
[07:51] <Noskcaj> sounds like a good idea, i've got school holidays till wednesday week, so if we can do it before then
[07:52] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, \o/
[07:52] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I've m.p. the kylin fix.
[07:52] <smartboyhw> Let's see does it work or not (it should)
[07:53] <Noskcaj> :) now you've done that we really need one of the guys to merge some stuff.
[07:54] <Noskcaj> there are 3 old merges, plus two from me
[07:54] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, good question.
[07:54] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I think we'll need to ask Dustin to add one of us guys to the team.
[07:55] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, yep. should we send him and andre an email?
[07:55] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, you send:P
[07:55] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I'm not sure about the idea that PowerPC should be added to Testdrive.
[07:56] <smartboyhw> As phillw once pointed out, it would be useless to emulate PowerPC architecture on an amd64 or i386 computer
[07:56] <smartboyhw> Since it's after all not real hardware.
[07:58] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj10, you lost internet?
[07:58] <Noskcaj10> yep, sigh
[07:58] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj10, I did write something
[07:59] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj10, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5726719/
[08:00] <Noskcaj10> smartboyhw, the ppc idea has been canceled. i have to go and eat now, i'll be back soon
[08:00] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj10, oh good
[08:09] <Noskcaj> i'm back
[08:10] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, hurray!
[08:17] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i've sent an email about a testdrive hangout/hackfest
[08:17] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, then balloons will tell you: Aren't we supposed to do it at the release party?:P
[08:18] <Noskcaj> i wonder if that will work, andres and dustin might be busy
[08:19] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, the third point you asked Dustin and Andres is a bit weird
[08:19] <smartboyhw> You can set it up in Launchpad yourself
[08:19] <smartboyhw> I can easily have 5 e-mails, IIRC.
[08:19] <Noskcaj> as in they each have 7 email addresses on their LP, it's confusing
[08:19] <Noskcaj> i have 2, one of which is a school one i have to have
[08:20] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, let me add @ubuntu.com, @kubuntu.org and @ubuntustudio.org and :P
[08:20] <Noskcaj> gulp, at least they are redirects.
[08:20] <Noskcaj> i wonder if i can get an @xubuntu email
[08:22] <Noskcaj> on a completely different topic, do you have a gaming PC?
[08:22] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, 1. No, unless you propose to knome and 2. Also no:P
[08:22] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, redirects do work :P
[08:23] <Noskcaj> why don't you have a gaming PC? it's a requirement of life ;)
[08:23] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I don't game.
[08:24] <Noskcaj> :( Have you built a PC?
[08:24] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, no either (I need a budget)
[08:25] <Noskcaj> ok, i've built heaps. three for myself (server, gaming and one that broke) plus a heap for other people where i volunteer
[08:25] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, can you get me one with 8-core AMD processors, and 16GB RAM (for free:P)?
[08:26] <Noskcaj> lol, that's a lot of VMs if you want 16gb
[08:26] <smartboyhw> :P
[08:27] <Noskcaj> http://www.overclock.net/g/a/886745/sg09-sg10-owners-thread/ and http://www.overclock.net/t/1374568/volenti-cooler-build has most of my rigs and mods
[08:28] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, you seriously have a BIG budget;O
[08:29] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, no, $1300 over 3 years
[08:31] <Noskcaj> worth it though
[08:34] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, hello :)
[08:34] <Noskcaj> hey Letozaf_
[08:34] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, howzit ?
[08:35] <Noskcaj> good
[08:35] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, tell me about testdrive and how I can get involved sounds interesting :)
[08:37] <Noskcaj> Letozaf_, testdrive is a "hub" program from  iso testing. it is written near entirely in python and has large amounts of probably useless code.
[08:37] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw probably understands it better than me, i've just been reporting bugs, mostly
[08:38] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, I have only used it for a while until it stopped working properly and so now I use Virtualbox
[08:39] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, but if I can help out I am here
[08:39] <Noskcaj> bzr branch lp:testdrive if you want to have a look at the code, sudo apt-add-repository https://launchpad.net/~testdrive/+archive/ppa then sudo apt-get install testdrive
[08:40] <Noskcaj> testdrive has an official irc channel, but no-one has used it for years
[08:41] <Noskcaj> it has 2 administrators who maven't had the time to do much
[08:41] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, thanks I will have a look at it, are you going to start to use that channel now ?
[08:41] <Noskcaj> Letozaf_, no, we'll just use this channel, testdrive is now supported by the QA team
[08:42] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, ok fine
[08:44] <Noskcaj> Letozaf_, the main thing anyone can do is confirm all these bugs. i reported most of them
[08:45] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, ok I will do it
[08:45] <Noskcaj> thanks Letozaf_ that would help a lot
[08:46] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, :)
[08:53] <Noskcaj> where did howard go? i hope he's getting netboot and gnome into testdrive
[10:01] <smartboyhw> Whoa:
[10:01] <smartboyhw> Result 2013: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers/top20
[10:01] <smartboyhw> hey phillw
[10:01] <phillw> HI smartboyhw
[10:02] <smartboyhw> phillw, :)
[10:15] <smartboyhw> phillw, how are your testers?
[10:16] <smartboyhw> :P
[17:01] <smartboyhw> Hey hey SergioMeneses;P
[17:01] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, morning!
[17:02] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses: What sort of testing will you do today?
[17:03] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, I'm still working on totem testcase
[17:03] <SergioMeneses> and you?
[17:03] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, bug 1115655
[17:04] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses: DAMN it I forgotten that. SergioMeneses would you like to do that testcase as well?
[17:07] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, I can but after totem testcase
[17:12] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses: That's OK.
[17:13] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, and what are you doing?
[17:13] <SergioMeneses> something fun?
[17:14] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses: I added UbuntuKylin into Testdrive today. Noskcaj worked on making Lubuntu a default tab and fixing Virtualbox-related bugs. Both are waiting for a merge.
[17:16] <SergioMeneses> omg that's awesome!
[17:18] <phillw> good to hear all seems to be going horribly well :)
[17:20] <smartboyhw> phillw: Horribly!!??
[17:21] <phillw> indeed... I do not believe in tempting fate :D
[17:21] <smartboyhw> phillw: :O
[17:22] <smartboyhw> phillw: Can you do me a flavour, and ask your PPC testers that after they have tested Lubuntu and Ubuntu Desktop to try also to test Kubuntu PowerPC.
[17:23] <smartboyhw> Even our last main tester can't test now since he can't find a charger.
[17:23] <phillw> sure, np.
[17:23] <smartboyhw> s/tester/PPC tester…
[17:24] <smartboyhw> phillw: Thanks!
[17:24] <SergioMeneses> phillw, jajaja -> <phillw> good to hear all seems to be going horribly well :)
[17:29] <phillw> smartboyhw: you have mail
[17:32] <phillw> smartboyhw: if he's completely lost it (or it has died), get the details of the machine and country he is in. We *may* be able to him a replacement (but I cannot promise).
[17:32] <phillw> s/to him/to get him
[17:35] <smartboyhw> phillw: OK
[17:36] <smartboyhw> Thank you again phillw:)
[17:37] <phillw> smartboyhw: as I made clear at the meeting today, it is never one flavour Vs another. As testers we help out any team asking for help :D
[17:38] <smartboyhw> phillw: Er what meeting!?
[17:43] <phillw> I was in manchester at a F/OSS meetup, it was requested that a tester/QA person attend to give a presentation :)
[17:44] <smartboyhw> phillw: Ah that I remember, how's it?
[17:44] <phillw> it went well, people taking down notes of various links and asking questions :D
[17:45] <smartboyhw> phillw: How many people are interested in QA?
[17:45] <phillw> having WiFi speeds of upto 1000 kB/s was a new experience for me :)
[17:46] <smartboyhw> phillw: 1 MB/s whoa! That's slow:P
[17:46] <phillw> out of 15 attendees, 6 are seriously interested :)
[17:47] <smartboyhw> phillw: What sort of talks are there except QA?
[17:48] <phillw> there was a presentation on vim, which F/OSS applications replace commercial ones, a python presentation on some of the tools that people may not be aware of, use of virtual machines etc.
[17:49] <phillw> it was all recorded, so I hope to get a link to where it is posted up once it has been edited.
[17:50] <smartboyhw> phillw: Good:)
[17:52] <phillw> while I was prepping up a VM for the side-by-side install the iso-tracker died! It was only down ~ 10mins, but nearly gave me a heart attack!
[17:52] <smartboyhw> X-(
[17:53] <smartboyhw> phillw: How come?
[17:53] <phillw> Dunno, I did ask on -release, but it had come back on before any one replied; so I cancelled my little call for help :)
[17:54] <smartboyhw> :P
[17:55]  * smartboyhw does find the ISO QA Tracker relatively slow today, IIRC.
[17:57] <phillw> what do expect this late in the cycle when we're screaming at people "to test the crap out of iso's" ? :)
[18:05] <smartboyhw> phillw: LOL
[19:06] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, phillw where can I find our last classroom sessions?
[19:07] <JoseeAntonioR> wiki, let me grab the link
[19:08] <JoseeAntonioR> SergioMeneses: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom
[19:09] <SergioMeneses> JoseeAntonioR, thanks!
[19:09] <JoseeAntonioR> np
[19:29] <phillw> SergioMeneses once the final tweaks in testdrive land, we will be re-running some of them :)
[19:33] <phillw> oooh, the RC's are being added! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[19:46] <SergioMeneses> phillw, perfect! :D
[19:48] <phillw> they prepped the area up earlier, just awaiting the -release team to decide as to when they want to suspend the daily builds.
[19:48] <SergioMeneses> phillw, but we have the release this week
[19:49] <phillw> SergioMeneseswhich is why I sent the email out :D
[19:52] <SergioMeneses> phillw, btw you're going to work on the rolling release format for Lubuntu?
[19:53] <phillw> rolling release has been quietly dropped :)
[19:53] <SergioMeneses> I see
[19:55] <phillw> iirc, it was rejected by the Tech Board.
[19:57] <SergioMeneses> :O
[19:59] <phillw> SergioMeneseshttp://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-18-21.01.moin.txt
[20:00] <phillw> sabdfl was also not fully behind the idea.
[20:14] <SergioMeneses> phillw, free advice, let an space between the name and your text :) if you don't I can see notifications
[20:14]  * SergioMeneses reading phillw link
[20:14] <phillw> soz SergioMeneses I usually do :)
[20:15] <SergioMeneses> phillw, jeje dont worry :)
[20:16] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, -> Enable users to continuously track the development focus of Ubuntu as a "rolling release" rather than having to explicitly upgrade
[20:16] <SergioMeneses>    For: 0 Against: 3 Abstained: 0
[20:16] <SergioMeneses> mmmm lol tab trap
[20:16] <SergioMeneses> phillw, ↑↑↑↑
[20:17] <phillw> SergioMeneses that was the vote :)
[20:18] <philipballew> dont worry SergioMeneses , it happens often
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, al lot!
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> a lot
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> phillw, and philipballew take a look and let your comments bug 1157436
[20:22] <Noskcaj> SergioMeneses, have you seen my email about a testdrive hackfest?
[20:23] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, I saw it but I don't read it yet
[20:24] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:24] <SergioMeneses> I'm going to read all email in a while, with my coffee
[20:28] <Noskcaj> if you see balloons or either of the original devs, make sure they've seen it
[20:31] <phillw> SergioMeneses what's totem?
[20:33] <SergioMeneses> phillw, :OOO
[20:33] <SergioMeneses> phillw, look http://projects.gnome.org/totem/
[20:34] <phillw> jajaja :D lubuntu doesn't ship with it :)
[20:35] <SergioMeneses> phillw, you're right
[20:35] <phillw> 1st thing I do on any distro is install vlc, but that's mt personal choice
[20:36] <phillw> s/mt/my
[20:37] <Noskcaj> i really wish we could have LC as a default, everyone swaps to it anyway
[20:37] <Noskcaj> *vlc
[20:37] <phillw> it's too heavy for lubuntu anyways.
[20:38] <SergioMeneses> phillw, Noskcaj vlc rocks! I used amarok but vlc is the best
[20:38] <Noskcaj> phillw, that surprises me
[20:39] <Noskcaj> there's some wierd open source issue that means VLC can't be in ubuntu. if it was, many people would be angry
[20:39] <phillw> Audacious has a sibling
[20:40] <phillw> Noskcaj: it imports restricted-extras, which need approval for,
[20:41] <phillw> that is why restricted-extras is an additional package. They are not GPL, which is needed for ubuntu.
[20:42] <phillw> Noskcaj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[21:01] <Noskcaj> phillw, i've made a merge proposal to have Lubuntu a default tab in testdrive.
[21:05] <Noskcaj> SergioMeneses, smartboyhw: can one of you try and find where testdrive's Ctrl + O info is? it's just mildly broken
[21:06] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, it works perfectly
[21:07] <Noskcaj> SergioMeneses, it always opens things in KVM
[21:07] <SergioMeneses> I selected and iso file and open it
[21:07] <phillw> Noskcaj: yeah, I saw earlier. Also ubuntu-gnome will need adding. Unless testdrive is translated into chineese I do not think adding ubuntu-kylin needs adding. But, it may worth contacting the testdrive folks to see if they can support such a thing, at which point I will ask the -kylin team for their views on getting it translated.
[21:07]  * SergioMeneses is changing kvm to vbox
[21:08] <Noskcaj> phillw, as he probably told you, smartboyhw has added kylin and is working on gnome and netboot
[21:08] <Noskcaj> maybe he could try a translation after that
[21:09] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, you're right, if you use Ctrl+O, it use kvm by default
[21:09] <SergioMeneses> always happen
[21:09] <Noskcaj> i'll try and find my bug about that SergioMeneses
[21:09] <phillw> SergioMeneses oddly enough, one of the guys who does presentations for F/OSS has also migrated from VBox to KVM. It's truely F/OSS and does not need the restricted-extras bit to become fully functional.
[21:10] <Noskcaj> bug 1094804
[21:10] <phillw> Noskcaj: just wait until we start to try and get it to work with lxc :D
[21:10] <Noskcaj> also, could you guys please confirm all of the testdrive bugs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/testdrive/ and https://bugs.launchpad.net/testdrive/
[21:11] <SergioMeneses> phillw, do you have documentation about that?
[21:11] <SergioMeneses> it will be interesting
[21:11] <phillw> that is what the automated tests use. I'm going to some further digging on it. http://lxc.sourceforge.net/
[21:12] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, I've changed the bug to confirmed
[21:12] <Noskcaj> thanks
[21:13] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, I have a question, where do you get the bug information?
[21:13] <Noskcaj> SergioMeneses, what do you mean?
[21:14] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj, the information that you put in the bug description, where did it come from?, where did you get it?
[21:15] <Noskcaj> ubuntu-bug testdrive, back when i wasn't running the testdrive repo version
[21:17] <SergioMeneses> oh
[23:31] <phillw> bug  1170941
[23:31] <phillw> bug 1170941
[23:32] <phillw> bug 1170941