[00:59] Noskcaj: create a VM, and run commands that will show the RAM in the VM [00:59] smartboyhw, i meant what file do i put the stuff into, or can i run it from the source code? [01:03] Noskcaj: Have you edited the code yet? If yes, just do "python setup.py build && sudo python setup.py install && testdrive-gtk" [01:04] ok, thanks. i've put up a merge for my other fix too [01:05] Noskcaj: I'm currently damned with adding Ubuntu GNOME and UbuntuKylin in:( It keeps on saying there's a NoneError when it shouldn't [01:06] :(, maybe netboot would be easier to add [01:06] I'm worrying that the ui code is much larger (when I looked at the gtk change for Lubuntu I was amazed by the diff) [01:06] Noskcaj: Of course netboot was easier:P [01:08] it didn't work :( [01:09] do you know how the "other" setting is meant to work? [01:10] Noskcaj: I dunno, that "other" setting was broken. It should show up a dialog box for us to choose the size, but it didn't. [01:10] thought so [01:13] also, i think parrellels is broken [01:14] Noskcaj: I wonder who uses Parallels these days. [01:14] no one, we should get it taken out, or fixed [01:14] filing bug now [01:18] Noskcaj: +1 [01:18] 1171045 [01:18] bug 1171045 [01:18] bug 1171045 in TestDrive "Parallels is broken in testdrive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171045 [01:19] anything i would need to attach? [01:19] would you mind going through the bug lists and confirming a few i've put up? [01:20] Noskcaj: Not now [01:20] I'm on mobile:P [01:20] ok [01:21] for everyone: can you confirm some of the bugs here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/testdrive/?orderby=-id&start=0 [01:21] smartboyhw, do you have any idea what file the "file" menu's data is in? [01:23] Noskcaj: What "file" menu? [01:23] file, edit, help [01:23] Ah ah ah. [01:24] Go to data/ui and search for the word "file":P [01:26] ok, ty [02:03] should we have lubuntu as a default in testdrive? [03:37] Noskcaj: How's your Testdrive hacking? [03:40] smartboyhw, i've got a branch with lubuntu as a default tab now. i've not done much else because i'm trying to run some iso tests. you? [03:41] Noskcaj: Lubuntu as default tab? Why? [03:42] smartboyhw, many people want it, and it's now used more than Xubuntu or Kubuntu [03:42] Noskcaj: For the last sentence, I need figures. [03:43] Lubuntu is OK to be as default [03:43] distrowatch.org is the only thing, also activity on social networks is higher than xubuntu (probably because of ali linx) [03:43] But your last sentence needs solid proof [03:46] enough proof for you or do i need to try and find more? [03:47] Noskcaj: Rebuttal in http://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html [03:49] ok, but you'll admit usage is pretty similar, rebuttal: more testing is done for lubuntu [03:50] Noskcaj: That's not proof. People can like Kubuntu but have no time to test. [03:50] true. this is a really stupid argument [03:51] Noskcaj: And for god's sake, Lubuntu has more testers because they have old hardware [03:51] I don't care a **** about old hardware [03:52] ok [03:52] Indeed, I hate powerpc because it wastes so much time to build packages [03:52] My actual point: Lubuntu has enough users/testers to warrant a tab in testdrive's default [03:53] smartboyhw, i tolerate ppc, because i have no reason not to [03:53] Noskcaj: Yep sure. [03:53] Noskcaj: You have no reason, I have. [03:54] Some Kubuntu people don't even understand the need of amd64+mac ISOs. [03:55] that is understandable, kubuntu ppc isn't because no-one has tested it for a year [03:56] bug 1171062, someone told me about this but never reported the bug, i forget who [03:56] bug 1171062 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""Download updates" checkbox does nothing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171062 [04:00] smartboyhw, are you on a pc you can confirm LP bugs? i have a massive list for you [04:02] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~doak-jackson/+bugs?orderby=status&start=0 should have the testdrive ones === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [05:09] Noskcaj, laters:P [05:09] Give me some time to have shower. === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [06:45] Noskcaj, show me your bug page again please [06:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~doak-jackson/+bugs?orderby=status&start=0 [07:13] Noskcaj, hmm I still can't the new flavours in:( [07:14] I created a menu item for UbuntuKylin along with the others, then let the python script get this object (GtkCheckBox) [07:14] And it says that object is NoneType:O [07:17] And good he left:( [07:21] The problem: How come the setup.py build doesn't update the UI file!? [07:25] smartboyhw, what did i miss while my internet went down? [07:26] Noskcaj, you miss my blibering about Testdrive builds not updating the UI files in /usr/share [07:27] lol, repost or pm them to my, i care for some reason [07:27] Noskcaj, actually you didn't miss anything (just found out) [07:27] That sentence was just my only sentence about this. [07:27] lolwut [07:28] LOL [07:28] Now: Let's wonder why (the hell) the setup.py file doesn't update the UI files. [07:29] I can't test... [07:33] could you just uninstall then install? [07:33] Noskcaj, trying [07:49] Noskcaj, I think the problem is that I just simply dunno how to make the dirs work within setup.py install [07:50] we need to get dustin or andre to show us how the internals of testdrive work [07:50] Noskcaj, hangout?:P [07:50] as in with those guys and maybe sergio? [07:51] Noskcaj, yep. [07:51] And balloons (obviously) [07:51] sounds like a good idea, i've got school holidays till wednesday week, so if we can do it before then [07:52] Noskcaj, \o/ [07:52] Noskcaj, I've m.p. the kylin fix. [07:52] Let's see does it work or not (it should) [07:53] :) now you've done that we really need one of the guys to merge some stuff. [07:54] there are 3 old merges, plus two from me [07:54] Noskcaj, good question. [07:54] Noskcaj, I think we'll need to ask Dustin to add one of us guys to the team. [07:55] smartboyhw, yep. should we send him and andre an email? [07:55] Noskcaj, you send:P [07:55] Noskcaj, I'm not sure about the idea that PowerPC should be added to Testdrive. [07:56] As phillw once pointed out, it would be useless to emulate PowerPC architecture on an amd64 or i386 computer [07:56] Since it's after all not real hardware. [07:58] Noskcaj10, you lost internet? [07:58] yep, sigh [07:58] Noskcaj10, I did write something [07:59] Noskcaj10, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5726719/ [08:00] smartboyhw, the ppc idea has been canceled. i have to go and eat now, i'll be back soon [08:00] Noskcaj10, oh good [08:09] i'm back [08:10] Noskcaj, hurray! === wxl_ is now known as wxl [08:17] smartboyhw, i've sent an email about a testdrive hangout/hackfest [08:17] Noskcaj, then balloons will tell you: Aren't we supposed to do it at the release party?:P [08:18] i wonder if that will work, andres and dustin might be busy [08:19] Noskcaj, the third point you asked Dustin and Andres is a bit weird [08:19] You can set it up in Launchpad yourself [08:19] I can easily have 5 e-mails, IIRC. [08:19] as in they each have 7 email addresses on their LP, it's confusing [08:19] i have 2, one of which is a school one i have to have [08:20] Noskcaj, let me add @ubuntu.com, @kubuntu.org and @ubuntustudio.org and :P [08:20] gulp, at least they are redirects. [08:20] i wonder if i can get an @xubuntu email [08:22] on a completely different topic, do you have a gaming PC? [08:22] Noskcaj, 1. No, unless you propose to knome and 2. Also no:P [08:22] Noskcaj, redirects do work :P [08:23] why don't you have a gaming PC? it's a requirement of life ;) [08:23] Noskcaj, I don't game. [08:24] :( Have you built a PC? [08:24] Noskcaj, no either (I need a budget) [08:25] ok, i've built heaps. three for myself (server, gaming and one that broke) plus a heap for other people where i volunteer [08:25] Noskcaj, can you get me one with 8-core AMD processors, and 16GB RAM (for free:P)? [08:26] lol, that's a lot of VMs if you want 16gb [08:26] :P [08:27] http://www.overclock.net/g/a/886745/sg09-sg10-owners-thread/ and http://www.overclock.net/t/1374568/volenti-cooler-build has most of my rigs and mods [08:28] Noskcaj, you seriously have a BIG budget;O [08:29] smartboyhw, no, $1300 over 3 years [08:31] worth it though [08:34] Noskcaj, hello :) [08:34] hey Letozaf_ [08:34] Noskcaj, howzit ? [08:35] good [08:35] Noskcaj, tell me about testdrive and how I can get involved sounds interesting :) [08:37] Letozaf_, testdrive is a "hub" program from iso testing. it is written near entirely in python and has large amounts of probably useless code. [08:37] smartboyhw probably understands it better than me, i've just been reporting bugs, mostly [08:38] Noskcaj, I have only used it for a while until it stopped working properly and so now I use Virtualbox [08:39] Noskcaj, but if I can help out I am here [08:39] bzr branch lp:testdrive if you want to have a look at the code, sudo apt-add-repository https://launchpad.net/~testdrive/+archive/ppa then sudo apt-get install testdrive [08:40] testdrive has an official irc channel, but no-one has used it for years [08:41] it has 2 administrators who maven't had the time to do much [08:41] Noskcaj, thanks I will have a look at it, are you going to start to use that channel now ? [08:41] Letozaf_, no, we'll just use this channel, testdrive is now supported by the QA team [08:42] Noskcaj, ok fine [08:44] Letozaf_, the main thing anyone can do is confirm all these bugs. i reported most of them [08:45] Noskcaj, ok I will do it [08:45] thanks Letozaf_ that would help a lot [08:46] Noskcaj, :) [08:53] where did howard go? i hope he's getting netboot and gnome into testdrive [10:01] Whoa: [10:01] Result 2013: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers/top20 [10:01] hey phillw [10:01] HI smartboyhw [10:02] phillw, :) [10:15] phillw, how are your testers? [10:16] :P [17:01] Hey hey SergioMeneses;P [17:01] smartboyhw, morning! [17:02] SergioMeneses: What sort of testing will you do today? [17:03] smartboyhw, I'm still working on totem testcase [17:03] and you? [17:03] smartboyhw, bug 1115655 [17:03] bug 1115655 in Ubuntu Manual Tests trunk "Test Needed: Transmission" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1115655 [17:04] SergioMeneses: DAMN it I forgotten that. SergioMeneses would you like to do that testcase as well? [17:07] smartboyhw, I can but after totem testcase [17:12] SergioMeneses: That's OK. [17:13] smartboyhw, and what are you doing? [17:13] something fun? [17:14] SergioMeneses: I added UbuntuKylin into Testdrive today. Noskcaj worked on making Lubuntu a default tab and fixing Virtualbox-related bugs. Both are waiting for a merge. [17:16] omg that's awesome! [17:18] good to hear all seems to be going horribly well :) [17:20] phillw: Horribly!!?? [17:21] indeed... I do not believe in tempting fate :D [17:21] phillw: :O [17:22] phillw: Can you do me a flavour, and ask your PPC testers that after they have tested Lubuntu and Ubuntu Desktop to try also to test Kubuntu PowerPC. [17:23] Even our last main tester can't test now since he can't find a charger. [17:23] sure, np. [17:23] s/tester/PPC tester… [17:24] phillw: Thanks! [17:24] phillw, jajaja -> good to hear all seems to be going horribly well :) [17:29] smartboyhw: you have mail [17:32] smartboyhw: if he's completely lost it (or it has died), get the details of the machine and country he is in. We *may* be able to him a replacement (but I cannot promise). [17:32] s/to him/to get him [17:35] phillw: OK [17:36] Thank you again phillw:) [17:37] smartboyhw: as I made clear at the meeting today, it is never one flavour Vs another. As testers we help out any team asking for help :D [17:38] phillw: Er what meeting!? [17:43] I was in manchester at a F/OSS meetup, it was requested that a tester/QA person attend to give a presentation :) [17:44] phillw: Ah that I remember, how's it? [17:44] it went well, people taking down notes of various links and asking questions :D [17:45] phillw: How many people are interested in QA? [17:45] having WiFi speeds of upto 1000 kB/s was a new experience for me :) [17:46] phillw: 1 MB/s whoa! That's slow:P [17:46] out of 15 attendees, 6 are seriously interested :) [17:47] phillw: What sort of talks are there except QA? [17:48] there was a presentation on vim, which F/OSS applications replace commercial ones, a python presentation on some of the tools that people may not be aware of, use of virtual machines etc. [17:49] it was all recorded, so I hope to get a link to where it is posted up once it has been edited. [17:50] phillw: Good:) [17:52] while I was prepping up a VM for the side-by-side install the iso-tracker died! It was only down ~ 10mins, but nearly gave me a heart attack! [17:52] X-( [17:53] phillw: How come? [17:53] Dunno, I did ask on -release, but it had come back on before any one replied; so I cancelled my little call for help :) [17:54] :P [17:55] * smartboyhw does find the ISO QA Tracker relatively slow today, IIRC. [17:57] what do expect this late in the cycle when we're screaming at people "to test the crap out of iso's" ? :) [18:05] phillw: LOL [19:06] smartboyhw, phillw where can I find our last classroom sessions? [19:07] wiki, let me grab the link [19:08] SergioMeneses: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom [19:09] JoseeAntonioR, thanks! [19:09] np [19:29] SergioMeneses once the final tweaks in testdrive land, we will be re-running some of them :) [19:33] oooh, the RC's are being added! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker === mars is now known as Guest88851 [19:46] phillw, perfect! :D [19:48] they prepped the area up earlier, just awaiting the -release team to decide as to when they want to suspend the daily builds. [19:48] phillw, but we have the release this week === toddyhb is now known as toddy [19:49] SergioMeneseswhich is why I sent the email out :D [19:52] phillw, btw you're going to work on the rolling release format for Lubuntu? [19:53] rolling release has been quietly dropped :) [19:53] I see [19:55] iirc, it was rejected by the Tech Board. [19:57] :O [19:59] SergioMeneseshttp://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-18-21.01.moin.txt [20:00] sabdfl was also not fully behind the idea. [20:14] phillw, free advice, let an space between the name and your text :) if you don't I can see notifications [20:14] * SergioMeneses reading phillw link [20:14] soz SergioMeneses I usually do :) [20:15] phillw, jeje dont worry :) [20:16] philipballew, -> Enable users to continuously track the development focus of Ubuntu as a "rolling release" rather than having to explicitly upgrade [20:16] For: 0 Against: 3 Abstained: 0 [20:16] mmmm lol tab trap [20:16] phillw, ↑↑↑↑ [20:17] SergioMeneses that was the vote :) [20:18] dont worry SergioMeneses , it happens often [20:19] philipballew, al lot! [20:19] a lot [20:19] phillw, and philipballew take a look and let your comments bug 1157436 [20:19] bug 1157436 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Totem testcase needs expanded" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157436 [20:22] SergioMeneses, have you seen my email about a testdrive hackfest? [20:23] Noskcaj, I saw it but I don't read it yet [20:24] ok [20:24] I'm going to read all email in a while, with my coffee [20:28] if you see balloons or either of the original devs, make sure they've seen it [20:31] SergioMeneses what's totem? [20:33] phillw, :OOO [20:33] phillw, look http://projects.gnome.org/totem/ [20:34] jajaja :D lubuntu doesn't ship with it :) [20:35] phillw, you're right [20:35] 1st thing I do on any distro is install vlc, but that's mt personal choice [20:36] s/mt/my [20:37] i really wish we could have LC as a default, everyone swaps to it anyway [20:37] *vlc [20:37] it's too heavy for lubuntu anyways. [20:38] phillw, Noskcaj vlc rocks! I used amarok but vlc is the best [20:38] phillw, that surprises me [20:39] there's some wierd open source issue that means VLC can't be in ubuntu. if it was, many people would be angry [20:39] Audacious has a sibling [20:40] Noskcaj: it imports restricted-extras, which need approval for, [20:41] that is why restricted-extras is an additional package. They are not GPL, which is needed for ubuntu. [20:42] Noskcaj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats [21:01] phillw, i've made a merge proposal to have Lubuntu a default tab in testdrive. [21:05] SergioMeneses, smartboyhw: can one of you try and find where testdrive's Ctrl + O info is? it's just mildly broken [21:06] Noskcaj, it works perfectly [21:07] SergioMeneses, it always opens things in KVM [21:07] I selected and iso file and open it [21:07] Noskcaj: yeah, I saw earlier. Also ubuntu-gnome will need adding. Unless testdrive is translated into chineese I do not think adding ubuntu-kylin needs adding. But, it may worth contacting the testdrive folks to see if they can support such a thing, at which point I will ask the -kylin team for their views on getting it translated. [21:07] * SergioMeneses is changing kvm to vbox [21:08] phillw, as he probably told you, smartboyhw has added kylin and is working on gnome and netboot [21:08] maybe he could try a translation after that [21:09] Noskcaj, you're right, if you use Ctrl+O, it use kvm by default [21:09] always happen [21:09] i'll try and find my bug about that SergioMeneses [21:09] SergioMeneses oddly enough, one of the guys who does presentations for F/OSS has also migrated from VBox to KVM. It's truely F/OSS and does not need the restricted-extras bit to become fully functional. [21:10] bug 1094804 [21:10] bug 1094804 in testdrive (Ubuntu) "iso's from outside testdrive always open in QEMU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094804 [21:10] Noskcaj: just wait until we start to try and get it to work with lxc :D [21:10] also, could you guys please confirm all of the testdrive bugs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/testdrive/ and https://bugs.launchpad.net/testdrive/ [21:11] phillw, do you have documentation about that? [21:11] it will be interesting [21:11] that is what the automated tests use. I'm going to some further digging on it. http://lxc.sourceforge.net/ [21:12] Noskcaj, I've changed the bug to confirmed [21:12] thanks [21:13] Noskcaj, I have a question, where do you get the bug information? [21:13] SergioMeneses, what do you mean? [21:14] Noskcaj, the information that you put in the bug description, where did it come from?, where did you get it? [21:15] ubuntu-bug testdrive, back when i wasn't running the testdrive repo version [21:17] oh [23:31] bug  1170941 [23:31] bug 1170941 [23:32] bug 1170941 [23:32] bug 1170941 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "Login dialog does not show username or password on first boot." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1170941