[08:26] <alexcockell> Morning all..
[08:39] <SuperMatt> good morning
[08:39] <SuperMatt> it's bbq day today
[08:39] <SuperMatt> but before I get started on that, I'm writing some django
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> django = fun
[08:39] <SuperMatt> well, I'm doing some auth stuff, but I didn't find it very intuative
[08:40] <SuperMatt> though now I've got it in place, it does look quite good
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: the tutorial and docs helped me a lot though
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> they're not "my first program" level, which I think is a big plus :)
[08:40] <SuperMatt> oh, they're very helpful, but it would have been nice to having a step by step tutorial which explains creating an account, and then logging in to it
[08:41] <SuperMatt> much of what I've done has involved reading about the methods and classes, working out what's being returned and then applying the right method to that, etc
[08:42] <popey> morning
[08:42] <SuperMatt> morning popeles
[09:06] <kvarley> Does anybody know if you can buy the Ubuntu stickers like that on the Dell Sputnik ultrabook?
[09:07] <popey> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=718
[09:07] <popey> ?]
[09:08] <kvarley> popey: I don't think it's quite the same, but they'll do :) thanks
[09:09] <kvarley> popey: Do you have the 13.04 shirt yet?
[09:19] <kvarley> \0/ finally sensible shipping charges on the canonical merchandise sotre
[09:19] <kvarley> s/sotre/store
[09:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:41] <brobostigon> \o MartijnVdS
[09:43] <alexcockell> Morning...
[09:43] <brobostigon> morning alexcockell
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> formula 1 coming up on R5L (20 minutes)
[11:42] <alexcockell> Pixar double bill on iTV2 at the mo..
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> Toy Story 1 and 2.. have those on DVD :)
[11:58] <alexcockell> Yeah- but even so - sometimes has to be done, as it saves arsing around spinning uip discs...
[11:59] <alexcockell> Y'know what would really help - if the film industry managed to set upsomething like Public Lending Rights format - and feed this into Netflix etc.. meaning less up-front royalty cash
[11:59] <alexcockell> ... and something morelike the music industry with PRS money..
[11:59] <alexcockell> Oh - and lose exclusivity...
[12:00] <alexcockell> = Netflix etc become the Spotifys of the film and TV world..
[13:27] <dwatkins> or just rip all your DVDs and blu-rays...
[16:02] <popey> Azelphur: how many have you ordered? https://products.butterflylabs.com/5-gh-s-bitcoin-miner.html
[16:02] <Azelphur> popey: I have had 3 of the 60 GH/sec miners on preorder since June.
[16:03] <popey> any idea when they will ship?
[16:03] <Azelphur> nope they are the king of delays
[16:05] <popey> surely they'd just make them and plug them in to mine themselves?
[16:07] <diddledan> what are GH per sec?
[16:08] <penguin42> giga-hash per second; as in cryptographic hash used in bitcoin?
[16:08] <popey> the speed measurement for bitcoin mining
[16:08] <diddledan> aah
[16:08] <penguin42> it's depressing that there isn't anything useful and financially rewarding people could use their spare CPU for
[16:10] <diddledan> spare is a matter of opinion. at full load my desktop pc uses nearly 4 times as much electrical power (watts) than it does when idle - put a gpu into the mix and it's even more. The cost of that electricity would probably outweigh any financial incentives to run at full tilt.
[16:12] <penguin42> yeh agreed, but the bitcoiners are managing that
[16:13] <diddledan> if I conservatively run at 250watts (no gpu running) at full load, then it'll cost over 25£ per month. double that (or more?) to include gpu processing. and that's just for one PC
[16:14] <diddledan> I'll admit, though, that multicore improves matters power-wise
[16:50] <ali1234> diddledan: the correct GPU will earn you double that currently... not for long though
[18:24] <meet> hi. some quick questions. will everything working on 12.10 work as it is on 13.04?
[18:31] <directhex> not neccessarily. some apps may no longer exist. some may have been rewritten and be significantly different
[18:35] <ali1234> the new firefox is pretty crap
[18:35] <ali1234> though that's already in 12.10
[18:37] <ali1234> for example, you can't edit styles within the inspector any more, which now can only be a bar along the bottom of the screen and not a tab at the side
[18:47] <funkyHat> ali1234: are you sure? I seem to be able to edit styles in firefox 20 here
[18:48] <ali1234> well,  can't figure out how
[18:48] <funkyHat> ali1234: I have an inpector pane which looks more like firebug than before, on the inspector tab I have "rules" selected from the 3 options at the right, I can edit style rules there
[18:51] <zleap> hi tom
[18:51] <ali1234> ah, that's it, thanks
[18:51] <ali1234> now, can you tell me why mouse wheel scrolling has stopped working in the inspector?
[18:52] <ali1234> or how to make it into a horizontal pane instead of a vertical one?
[18:53] <funkyHat> No ⢁( but you could detach it and put its window next to the main window
[18:58] <ali1234> i guess i'll just switch to chrome then
[19:03] <funkyHat> ali1234: how do you put the inspector on the side in chrome?
[19:03] <ali1234> you can't
[19:03] <funkyHat> ...
[19:04] <ali1234> chrome however has other features that make up for the lack of this one
[19:04] <ali1234> such as not being incredibly slow
[19:04] <funkyHat> haha
[19:04] <funkyHat> I've not found firefox to be slow since about version 16 or 17
[19:04] <ali1234> and having working scrolling
[19:04] <funkyHat> Scrolling also works here ⡈(
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Beach++ http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/8668745337/in/photostream/lightbox/
[20:24] <shauno> beach isn't quite the same out here .. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2400/2050554123_e29f303247_b.jpg
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> shauno: not a lot of colour
[20:29] <shauno> he just looks like a wee speck, but there's actually a surfer in there
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> black speck, far rihght?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> right
[20:33] <shauno> that's the chap
[20:41] <Sugarat> Hi all. Can anyone advise how best to get the AMD graphics drivers installed on Ubuntu 13?  I'm getting in the install log "fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers"
[20:42] <funkyHat> Sugarat: sudo apt-get install fglrx ?
[20:43] <Sugarat> I was trying to install the latest stable driver, 13.1  - do you know what version that would install?  I downloaded the zip file from amd's website
[21:06] <directhex> 13.1 works. 12.8 is junk, 13.3 beta is junk