[00:01] <peyam> ;)
[00:01] <packetfrog> ;D
[00:01] <peyam> How are you?
[00:02] <peyam> ;)
[00:02] <packetfrog> I am not aloud to talk off topic from Xubuntu support in this channel.  maddernick will assault me. ;/
[00:02] <peyam> :(
[00:08] <peyam> packetfrog: now it is done
[00:09] <packetfrog> Colored taskbar or theme?
[00:10] <peyam> colored taskbar
[00:11] <packetfrog> Congrats :)
[00:11] <peyam> thanks
[00:12] <peyam> packetfrog: http://i37.tinypic.com/fmp7hy.png
[00:14] <packetfrog> Sorry was rebooting back into Xubuntu.
[00:14] <peyam> http://i37.tinypic.com/fmp7hy.png
[00:14] <packetfrog> Oh I see it. :) irc stays on.    Looks nice and clean, what kind of resolution you use?
[00:14] <peyam> dual monitor
[00:15] <peyam> 1280x1204
[00:15] <packetfrog> Its split across two screens?
[00:15] <peyam> 1024
[00:15] <peyam> yes
[00:15] <packetfrog> crazy
[00:15] <peyam> :P
[00:16] <packetfrog> I have my laptop with a flat screen tv above it on the wall and a viewsonic lcd on its side on the right
[00:16] <packetfrog> I just use the TV when I am in windows playing games though, and the monitor on its side is for documents/pdfs/what-have-you
[00:16] <packetfrog> I suppose if I could afford matching screens I would get one of those fancy three screen setups though.
[00:17] <packetfrog> #xubuntu-offtopic
[00:17] <packetfrog> :P
[00:17] <peyam> I have two screeens couse I do programming and I have the specification on the other screent. When I play in windows I do it with my TV
[01:27] <familiaburger> i'm having an issue with my xubuntu 12.10 installation: at boot, unless i specifically enter the GRUB menu (in which case the system boots fine), i get an error that keeps the splash page from showing properly and the system won't boot
[01:28] <familiaburger> the error output i get varies, but it usually has something about fsck checking /dev/sda1 files and blocks, and alternately something about /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.firefox
[01:28] <familiaburger> what i'm wondering is: for a workaround, how can i force the computer to show the GRUB menu every time it is started or rebooted?
[01:32] <packetfrog> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24586/how-to-always-show-the-menu-in-grub2
[01:34] <familiaburger> packetfrog, GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is an environment variable?
[01:35] <familiaburger> ah nvm, found /etc/default/grub
[01:37]  * packetfrog nods
[01:37] <packetfrog> That link links to the grub ubuntu wiki as well...
[01:37]  * packetfrog never had to mess with it so if you cant read it I will for you.. I am assuming you can though. :)
[01:38] <familiaburger> packetfrog, yeah i was there already actually, it's a longish one ;)
[01:38] <familiaburger> i wish i understood the underlying problem as well, but for now any fix will do
[01:38] <packetfrog> Stick around  or ask in #ubuntu or #linux
[01:39] <packetfrog> I am just a user that can google.
[01:42] <familiaburger> yeah, i will look into it, thanks for the google help :)
[01:42] <packetfrog> No worries, Let me know if I you need help figuring something out, I can at least try.
[01:42] <packetfrog> :p
[01:42] <packetfrog> or not
[06:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> hallo. I'm looking to migrate from gnome to xfce
[06:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> but should like to avoid dragging alotta extra stuff into it.
[06:24] <dBLOOD> hi people!
[06:24] <dBLOOD> could anyone help me with installing btgM
[06:24] <baizon> hi dBLOOD
[06:24] <dBLOOD> * btg
[06:25] <baizon> what is btg?
[06:25] <dBLOOD> it's a torrent client based on rasterbar torrent library
[06:39] <bullgard4>  The Application menu does not show a Seahorse menu item. How can I fix that?
[06:41] <baizon> bullgard4: search for it in alacarte
[06:41] <baizon> or create a entry by yourself
[06:44] <bullgard4> baizon: Done. --  Thank you very much for your help.
[08:21] <florentin> i have a problem with compiz in xubuntu : when i want to reload window meneger from compiz fusion icon my monitor turn black , can enyone help me ?please
[08:23] <[uzver]> florentin, i just use xfwm4 --replace or compiz --replace ccp commands
[08:29] <florentin> E: Command line option --replace is not understood
[09:34] <antisober552_> hi can someone help me change group owner on a folder
[09:35] <baizon> antisober552_: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?chgrp
[09:38] <antisober552_> thx
[10:59] <souhaib> hello
[11:07] <rhin0> im getting crashes on install of 12.04 .. but allows me to continue
[11:07] <rhin0> said timezone setup (?) crashed
[11:07] <rhin0> .. "partman"
[11:08] <rhin0> install just gives me ads -- no progress indicator@?
[11:09] <rhin0> ie .. im informed, but not about whether its actually installing
[11:12] <lderan> weird
[11:12] <rhin0> im ditching hte gui install
[11:12] <rhin0> no way
[11:12] <rhin0> its not capable of installing 12.04
[11:12] <lderan> the people over in #ubuntu are of no help in this?
[11:13] <lderan> ah nvm sorry
[11:13] <lderan> thought you said ubuntu
[11:13] <lderan> just got up :P
[11:17] <rhin0> xubumtu
[11:17] <rhin0> x
[11:17] <rhin0> no
[11:18] <rhin0> i do not use ub
[11:18] <lderan> aye it was my mistake
[11:21] <knome> rhin0, what's the problem? have you filed a bug?
[11:42] <rhin0> whats the problem of the whole xubuntu 12.04 failing on a reasonably new pc
[11:42] <rhin0> it never worked from the live disk (install) anyway
[11:42] <rhin0> on 10.04
[11:42] <rhin0> it is a mistake to have xubuntu running to install
[11:43] <rhin0> im sure somebody has filed it, as the install doesn't work
[11:43] <rhin0> xubuntu 12.04 from the live running version of xubuntu, from a usb key
[11:43] <rhin0> install
[11:44] <TheSheep> !doesn't work
[11:44] <rhin0> "doesn't install" is a reasonably good assessment of "doesn't work"
[11:44] <rhin0> if something is built to perform one function and it fails then it "doesn't work"
[11:44] <TheSheep> to that I can only answer "doesn't help"
[11:45] <rhin0> i am no tgoing to research, file a bug on the in stall
[11:45] <rhin0> i am not re-assured
[11:45] <rhin0> I think it's a slim chance 12.04 (again) will actaully work for me
[11:45] <TheSheep> enjoy your windows then
[11:45] <rhin0> its looking very bad as the install failed
[11:45] <rhin0> i do not run windows
[11:45] <rhin0> what is that, black mail?  there are many linuxes
[11:45] <lderan> well it may be something wrong with the data on the usb key, have your tried making it a live dvd drive again?
[11:45] <rhin0> maybe I could cut a ced
[11:46] <rhin0> im using the low level install .. alternative
[11:46] <rhin0> bbl
[11:46] <TheSheep> so what is exactly the reason you came to the xubuntu support channel, if you don't want to try it?
[11:46] <lderan> good luck
[11:54] <rhin0> i've been running xubuntu for 3 years sheep
[11:54] <rhin0> linux for < 12
[11:54] <rhin0> whats more reliable for installation media -- cd or dvd -- reliable ./ faster .. dvd will be faster
[11:55] <rhin0> i am about to buy cds or dvds
[11:55] <rhin0> i think i'll get cds (cheaper)
[11:55] <rhin0> before that I wasn't running windows
[11:55] <rhin0> I've never run windows
[11:56] <rhin0> i consider it an insult "good luck with windows
[11:56] <rhin0> "
[12:00] <lderan> whats wrong with using windows?
[12:00] <lderan> ah s/hes gone
[12:24] <KerrMD> Hello
[12:24] <lderan> Hi
[12:24] <cfhowlett> greetings
[12:25] <KerrMD> I was wondering if the only diff between Kubuntu and Xubuntu was the "candy coating".
[12:26] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, the default applications are different.  for instance, libre office in ubuntu and not in xubuntu
[12:27] <KerrMD> So does XFCE in Xubuntu use qt?
[12:27] <KerrMD> Or am I confused?
[12:27] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, doesn't show up in my 12.04
[12:28] <cfhowlett> or at least no PACKAGE named qt
[12:28] <cfhowlett> or at least no PACKAGE named qt*
[12:28] <lderan> think xfce uses gtk+
[12:28] <lderan> but not 100% sure
[12:28] <KerrMD> The reason I ask is that I dislike Gnome anymore since 3.x  and kde has gotten really heavy. I am looking into Xubuntu since the fedora community is a tad lacking imho.
[12:28] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, lderan gtk is present in xubuntu
[12:29] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, lubuntu is also quite light
[12:29] <lderan> awesome
[12:29] <KerrMD> I just want a desktop that works without all the plasma and whatnot stuff. I do not need a candy coating
[12:30] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, you can install and use lxde or xfce4 on your stock ubuntu
[12:31] <KerrMD> Would it not be more prudent to install (X|L)ubuntu instead?
[12:31] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, as you already have an installation, I'd suggest you test drive both interfaces, figure which one you prefer then get the actual OS...
[12:33] <KerrMD> What I have right now is Fedora 18. I am moving away because I am not liking the community too much and I have a tendency to gravitate back to the Debian based distros.  As for Xubuntu and Lubuntu I imagine that the core is the same.
[12:34] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, correctomundo
[12:34] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, note that there is a new official ubuntu flavor ... gnome ubuntu
[12:34] <KerrMD> Gnome 2x I assume
[12:34] <KerrMD> er 2.x
[12:34] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, can't say much more about it as I only run LTS ubuntustudio and have never touched it
[12:35] <KerrMD> UbuntuStudio? cannot say I am really familiar with that
[12:36] <koegs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME
[12:36] <koegs> it is gnome 3 with gnome desktop
[12:36] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, ah well then!  multimedia creation packages built of xubuntu .. desktop publishing, graphics, music apps
[12:37] <KerrMD> Ah, I just got that from the site. I am not really much of a content creator.
[12:38] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, good enough then.  One thing I did change was I dropped the default office package and got libreoffice from the main site.
[13:09] <KerrMD> Sheesh, this thing has been DDing to /dev/sdc for what feels like forever. :(
[13:10] <lderan> :(
[13:10] <KerrMD> 8GB thumb drive taking a <800MB DD should not take too long I would think
[13:11] <KerrMD> Complain and it shal be done. Lol
[13:12] <KerrMD> Thanks for all the info. TTFN :)
[13:42] <bullgard4> Xubuntu 12.04.2 surprisingly after an upgrade and a new login shows a window without a title bar which I cannot delete. It shows a keyboard. When clicking on this keyboard e. g. the key  "b", uxterm on the same workspace will show another letter "b" after the prompt. I suspect a relationship with Orca.  But there is no orca process running. How to delete this window?
[13:45] <TheSheep> bullgard4: I would look into the autostarted applications in sessions and startup in settings
[13:47] <bullgard4> TheSheep:  What do you mean by "sessions"?
[13:50] <TheSheep> bullgard4: if you go to "settings manager" in your "applications menu" there is a "startup and sessions" icon which holds settings for autostarted applications, among other things
[13:51] <TheSheep> bullgard4: I would look for anything like "on screen keyboard" there and uncheck it so that it doesn't start on the next login
[13:59] <bullgard4> TheSheep:  Applications menu > Settings > Settings manager > Session and Startup > Application Autostart does not show activated anything similar to "on screen keyboard".
[14:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> hello. I had ubuntu 12.04 and installed the gnome desktop because I'm rather dissappointed with unity. I ended up installing xubuntu on a friends machine, and playing around with it I find I rather liked it. I installed xubuntu-desktop on my machine, but I still have the lightdm greeter of vanilla precise. could someone advise me on how to get the xubuntu style greeter?
[14:15] <KerrMD> ntzrmtthihu777:  Try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/174763/how-do-i-change-the-default-log-in-to-xubuntu-on-ubuntu-12-04
[14:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> KerrMD: havin a look, thankay.
[14:17] <KerrMD> Welcome :D
[14:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> hmm, seems to be more of a unity thing here...
[14:19] <KerrMD> You want to change just hte login manager or the display manager as well?
[14:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> well you've used vanilla precise? and obviously xubuntu, right? I'm looking to get the login screen of xubuntu.
[14:21] <TheSheep> xubuntu uses the same display manager as ubuntu
[14:21] <KerrMD> I am sorry to say this but it is bedtime. Not to sound like the RTFM group but Google is a wonderful resource for information.  I wish you luck
[14:22] <KerrMD> ttfn all and nighty night
[14:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> KerrMD: nah its cool. I've been googling on it, but nothing yet
[14:22] <TheSheep> it's just a different theme
[14:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: exactly. how do I activate the xubuntu theme for lightdm?
[14:22] <KerrMD> ntzrmtthihu777: TheSheep is right. It's just skinned|themed differently
[14:25] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: do you have xubuntu-default-settings installed?
[14:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: yeah, and I found my answer I think.
[14:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> brb, testing
[14:28] <ochosi> anyone running 12.10 here? (i need some stats wrt panel's mem-usage)
[14:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> got it :D
[14:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> now, installing xubuntu-desktop dragged in *alot* of packages that I'm not gonna be using, are they removable without scragging my install?
[14:34] <packetfrog> NOPE
[14:34] <packetfrog> oops
[14:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> oops on capslock, or oops on wrong channel/advice?
[14:38] <drc> ntzrmtthihu777: They were installed for a reason. Not always a good reason.  I'd use synaptic (not software center) to remove what I don't want and pay close attention to what removing that one package will also remove.
[14:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, such and such needs this, so and so needs that
[14:38] <drc> yup...dependency hell.
[14:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> well at least its not dll hell, lol
[14:39] <drc> Slackware has a point...a time consuming, frustrating point.
[14:39]  * packetfrog lar lars
[14:40] <packetfrog> LAR
[14:43] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: by default all recommended packages also get installed
[14:44] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: if you want to avoid that you can e.g. do "sudo apt-get install $packagename --no-install-recommends"
[14:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, but quite frankly I don't need ailseriot solitair
[14:44] <ochosi> (synaptic also has a gui-checkbox in the settings to disable that feature)
[14:44] <ochosi> easy enough to uninstall
[14:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> yup.
[14:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> I personally use apt-fast to install most things; does the change in synaptic affect it/apt-get?
[14:45] <ochosi> yes
[14:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> excellent.
[14:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> question: is the terminal in from-the-iso xubuntu the same as from-the-iso ubuntu?
[14:50] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: potentially no, ubuntu uses gnome-terminal afaik and xubuntu uses xfce4-terminal
[14:51] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: xubuntu uses xfce4-terminal
[14:51] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: ubuntu uses gnome-terminal
[14:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> gotcha.
[14:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> I knew the latter, but not the former
[14:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> functionally, any difference?
[14:52] <TheSheep> the xfce one will not load all the gnome libraries into memory...
[14:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> meaning?
[14:53] <TheSheep> but I guess they both do a fine job of a terminal emulator
[14:54] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: meaning that it will probably start faster and use less memory when running
[14:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> mhmm, I like that.
[14:55] <TheSheep> other than that, there are probably some small differences, but I used the gnome one long ago, so can't really tell
[14:56] <nikolam> I get lsb_release bug reports that automatic reporting can not report, but crashing itself
[14:56] <nikolam> it bugs me almost since 12.04 install
[15:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, because quite frankly I don't need 2 programs that do the exact same thing
[15:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> alright, ya'll use thunar instead of nautilus. same/similar level of functionality?
[15:03] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: You'll have more difficulties to cleanly remove one of them than saving that few MB will save space.
[15:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah. its seems dropbox needs nautilus :/
[15:04] <baizon> ntzrmtthihu777: nautilus-data, not nautilus
[15:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> I really like the customizability of the panels, lol.
[16:05] <recon_lap> hi, is it just me or has xubuntu just become very unstable. got a hard lock 2 day running now.
[16:08] <Deepfriedice> Hey #xubuntu, I've just removed the propriety nvidia drivers off my laptop, and the screen resolution is stuck at 640X480. I assume this is some kind of fallback mode, but I have no idea how to fix it. Any thoughts on where to start looking?
[16:08] <kgb> Deepfriedice: why not use them?..
[16:09] <[uzver]> Deepfriedice, maybe u need to install opensource driver - nouveau
[16:09] <Deepfriedice> They seemed to be causing issues with wine. Something to do with RandR or something.
[16:10] <kgb> .. check out whether nvidia-config made the file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:10] <kgb> (you may be able to just remove it and reboot, but back it up first :))
[16:11] <Deepfriedice> uzver: I believe I have. nouveau is provided by xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, correct?
[16:11] <Deepfriedice> kgb: looking now.
[16:12] <Deepfriedice> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
[16:12] <Deepfriedice> # nvidia-xconfig:  version 304.48  (buildmeister@swio-display-x86-rhel47-05.nvidia.com)  Sun Sep  9 21:29:02 PDT 2012
[16:13] <kgb> right, so MAYBE, you could just remove it and log-out the session and reboot
[16:13] <kgb> big maybe, though =)
[16:13] <Deepfriedice> That explains why X was unhappy, the config files didn't match the installed driver
[16:13] <Deepfriedice> will do.
[16:13] <kgb> cool, cool, hope so..:)
[16:18] <Deepfriedice> kgb: It works, thanks!
[18:02] <xubuntu200> hola soy nuevo aqui
[18:02] <Unit193> !es | xubuntu200
[18:11] <xubuntu168> hello, just installed xubuntu. i have a little stupid question: where can we find the folders from an external usb plug?
[18:11] <peyam> open a file
[18:11] <peyam> and on the left hand you see if it is mounted
[18:12] <peyam> or windowskey + t and write thunar /home/
[18:16] <xubuntu168> ok, indeed, i was trying to plug my external disk, the pb comes from it. doesn 't detect it. detection ok with normal usb keys.
[18:16] <peyam> pull it out and in again. it should work
[18:17] <peyam> but I usually i go to my home folder and choose it from the left menu
[18:17] <xubuntu168> no, i already tried a couple of times. the external disk makes a continuous bip bip...
[18:18] <recon_lap> xubuntu168: do you have some way to test the HD on a different comp?
[18:20] <peyam> xubuntu168:what is the name of your hd? try sudo mount thenameoftheHD
[18:22] <xubuntu168> ok, just tested on another comp. no detection either. HD dead i guess. plus the bip bip, not normal anyway
[18:23] <xubuntu168> any idea how to get back the data? probably need to go in a shop
[18:26] <recon_lap> xubuntu168: yep, what i though. might be the cable, do you have a short data cable
[18:27] <xubuntu168> already tried with another cable. the bip bip is a sign it s dead i think
[18:28] <recon_lap> well, if the data is important stop messing with it now
[18:28] <xubuntu168> yes, i ll try to get it fixed in a shop. tks anyway
[18:31] <recon_lap> xubuntu168: if the drive won't mount I would be surprised if a shop can help, you probably looking at a couple of hundred and a proper lab.
[18:32] <xubuntu168> ok... well, probably give up in this case
[18:34] <recon_lap> xubuntu168: well, if you not that concerned about the data I'd let a shop have a go.
[18:34] <xubuntu168> doesn't really matter, only pics and music
[18:34] <recon_lap> xubuntu168: couple of taps with the back of a screwdriver might work :)
[18:35] <xubuntu168> :-) tks! i ll give it a try
[18:35] <recon_lap> xubuntu168: as a last resort, and a lot of shop will try on a no fix no fee
[18:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> its official, I'm in love with xfce
[18:36] <lderan> yay
[18:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> I got the compiz desktop grid effect without compiz
[18:39] <recon_lap> I'm the opposite, firefox has hard locked me two days running
[18:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> :/
[19:27] <xubuntu696> hello again, i need to activate the microphone for skype. how can i do that?
[19:30] <lderan> have you checked the skype options?
[19:31] <lderan> under sound devices
[19:32] <xubuntu696> yes but i cannot find the microphone options
[19:32] <lderan> ah its controlled by pulseaudio
[19:34] <lderan> if you go to your sound settings, by clicking on the speaker icon in the top bar or under multimedia in your programs list you can go to input devices
[19:34] <lderan> do you see your microphone in there?
[19:53] <Shannon> Hello, I am brand new to linux / ubuntu - I just installed the os and used a guide to install drivers for my primary video card raedeon 7950.  From what I can tell, the os doesn't recognize the second pcie video card - a pcie raedeon 6950.  Could anyone give me a bit of advice?
[19:54] <Shannon> It's a working video card.
[20:52] <peyam> what  is the default font in xubuntu?
[20:52] <peyam> can anybody tell me that
[20:54] <peyam> Droid
[20:55] <SunStar> droid mono
[20:57] <peyam> yes :)
[20:57] <peyam> thanks
[20:57] <peyam> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype
[20:58] <peyam> skype is Estonian?
[20:58] <peyam> first time I read it
[20:58] <peyam> I though it was swedish
[22:20] <An_Ony_Moose> http://soundray.org/linus/unreadablename.png this is on a fresh install of the 13.04 beta. Why is the name of the machine in such a colour that it's barely readable?
[23:55] <fez_> can anyone help me?
[23:55] <Cheri703> !help
[23:56] <fez_> trying to install xubuntu 13.04 beta 2 and the installer hangs on the "preparing to install Xubuntu screen"
[23:56] <fez_> same thing happens with ubuntu 13.04 installer
[23:57] <fez_> !help