| pitti | Good morning | 04:59 |
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| Laney | hey! | 08:04 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey | 08:08 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:08 |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 08:09 |
| Laney | good weekend? | 08:09 |
| seb128 | yes, weather was not as good it is today, but the w.e was still good ;-) | 08:09 |
| seb128 | you? | 08:09 |
| Laney | very good thanks, lots of bike riding | 08:10 |
| mlankhorst | heheheh | 08:11 |
| mlankhorst | not much bike riding here this weekend! | 08:12 |
| didrocks | salut seb128, bon week-end? | 08:12 |
| mlankhorst | mondays, perfect time to do paperwork | 08:13 |
| pitti | hey Laney, bonjour seb128 | 08:13 |
| pitti | ça va didrocks | 08:14 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks, pitti | 08:14 |
| * pitti waves to mlankhorst, too | 08:14 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, nickel, et toi ? | 08:14 |
| seb128 | hey mlankhorst | 08:14 |
| didrocks | guten morgen pitti! | 08:14 |
| mlankhorst | heya :) | 08:14 |
| mlankhorst | I mean.. | 08:14 |
| didrocks | seb128: pas fait grand chose vu qu'il pleuvait ;) | 08:14 |
| mlankhorst | bonjour! | 08:14 |
| seb128 | didrocks, weather was not so nice here either, and I still have some remaining bits of cold, so I spent quite some time on the TV (watching tennis and playing video games) as well ;-) | 08:17 |
| didrocks | heh :) | 08:17 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 08:28 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? had a good w.e? | 08:30 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, i'm good thanks. my w.e wasn't too bad. i managed to take lots of junk to the recycling centre this weekend | 08:31 |
| chrisccoulson | how about you? | 08:31 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson! | 08:35 |
| chrisccoulson | hi didrocks | 08:35 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, heh, mine was a lazy one, which is good ;-) | 08:46 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, before travelling next w.e ... | 08:46 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, yeah, i'm not looking forward to travelling | 08:47 |
| seb128 | I'm looking forward seeing everyone though ;-) | 08:49 |
| pitti | when will you guys arrive? | 08:56 |
| * pitti will arrive at SFO on Sat at 16:25 | 08:57 | |
| pitti | ogra_: ah, you are on the same one | 08:58 |
| ogra_ | on sunday though | 08:59 |
| Laney | some time around then | 08:59 |
| pitti | ogra_: oh | 09:00 |
| * didrocks on Sun 12:50 | 09:00 | |
| Laney | sat 17:15 | 09:01 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, i'm looking forward to seeing everyone. just not the travelling part ;) | 09:02 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't look forward to spending 10 hours sat in a tiny seat in a tin can :) | 09:02 |
| seb128 | hehe | 09:02 |
| * Laney has been considering premium economy | 09:02 | |
| seb128 | what's the difference? leg room? | 09:02 |
| Laney | basically yeah | 09:02 |
| pitti | I don't mind much the flight there; I fear the flight back | 09:02 |
| * ogra_ guesses todays strike will actually even affect next weekend | 09:03 | |
| pitti | or perhaps I'll try and take 3 Melantonins :) | 09:03 |
| pitti | ogra_: you think they'll continue to strike? | 09:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, easier to hack in a small seat than to sleep?K | 09:03 |
| ogra_ | (lufthansa shot down all flights today) | 09:03 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i never sleep on flights. i think i need something a bit stronger | 09:04 |
| pitti | seb128: and there isn't a night supposed to happen | 09:04 |
| seb128 | ogra_, did they? shrug | 09:04 |
| * didrocks doesn't mind flying as well, just waking up at 5AM is a little bit too much ;) | 09:04 | |
| ogra_ | pitti, nope, but 1700 flights is a lot, they will have to book people around all the week | 09:04 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: yeah, I can hardly sleep too; maybe an hour or two | 09:04 |
| pitti | ogra_: yeah | 09:04 |
| ogra_ | so all flights out of germany will be full | 09:04 |
| ogra_ | and that will have some effect through the week ... and imho until the weekend | 09:05 |
| seb128 | ogra_, well, I'm sure we will manage it, rebooked if needed, maybe with some promotion :p | 09:06 |
| ogra_ | (overbooking etc) | 09:06 |
| seb128 | ogra_, not sure how they handle stuff, but I would assume that frequent flyers have a better chance to not be rebooked | 09:06 |
| * ogra_ lost his silver status this year :? | 09:09 | |
| Laney | you cool kids with your status | 09:09 |
| pitti | Laney: FWIW, I'd treat not having a status against not having to fly so much any time :) | 09:43 |
| pitti | (says a mere-mortal wood class passenger) | 09:44 |
| Laney | amen | 09:44 |
| xnox | hmm.... can't some of those airlines re-route via paris/amsterdam/london ?! | 09:48 |
| xnox | extra hops are a pain, but if it gets more flights off the ground ..... | 09:48 |
| ogra_ | xnox, sure, they usually do their best to re-route you but it produces fallout throughout the week | 09:49 |
| Laney | vClientSprint | 09:50 |
| pitti | vBeerDrinking: error: plugin not found | 09:50 |
| Laney | true, vTrappist just wouldn't cut it | 09:50 |
| Laney | All 203 tests passed | 10:31 |
| Laney | phew | 10:31 |
| desrt | moin | 10:46 |
| seb128 | desrt, good morning | 10:50 |
| seb128 | desrt, had a good W.E? | 10:50 |
| desrt | yup | 10:50 |
| desrt | super-productive | 10:50 |
| seb128 | cool | 10:50 |
| seb128 | well, nice it was productive, though it's not W.E are for :p | 10:51 |
| desrt | we're spriting, dude :p | 10:51 |
| desrt | i managed to land icon serialisation, finally | 10:51 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 10:51 |
| desrt | and got alex to review that gobject performance work | 10:51 |
| desrt | and dbus activation of apps is now working in a branch on my computer | 10:51 |
| desrt | gonna polish that up today and try for a review | 10:52 |
| seb128 | push that somewhere | 10:52 |
| desrt | it's actually pretty trivial | 10:52 |
| seb128 | good | 10:52 |
| desrt | the real hard stuff was done in GApplication over 2 years ago | 10:52 |
| desrt | this is just some small changes there plus some changes to GDesktopAppInfo | 10:52 |
| seb128 | I still remember daniels getting his laptop stolen with months of xorg work on it without copy :p | 10:53 |
| desrt | heh | 10:53 |
| desrt | i have dejadup to protect me :) | 10:53 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:53 |
| desrt | anyway... no more fork()/exec() in unity | 10:53 |
| desrt | or anything, for that matter | 10:53 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: any opinion on bug 1085169? has seen ~1000 installs from ppa, seems to be fixed, should we possibly SRU that one? | 11:06 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1085169 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice Menus Stop Working even with libreoffice>=1:3.6.2~rc2-0ubuntu4 and indicator-appmenu>=12.10.3-0ubuntu2.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085169 | 11:06 |
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| seb128 | Sweetshark, hey | 11:30 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, what's the diff? seems like a valid SRU candidate to me yes | 11:31 |
| Sweetshark | this is the relevant patch: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=blob;f=patches/lp-1085169-we-overactivate-here-as-it-does-not-seem-.diff;h=998f0a10ea58f530a55642e525aae845717505e4;hb=193cbdb33935f59f4ab88a17304eef72cbfa4f2d | 11:45 |
| mlankhorst | mmmm sru's | 11:47 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, seems fine for a SRU, though the description seems like a workaround rather than a fix for the issue...? | 11:52 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: a bit. In LibreOffice, when you open a menu it would then populate the menu and link it to the dispatchers (thus getting the states, checkboxes, disabled stuff). What afernandez tried was to do the same with appindicator-menu. It seems there are a few cornercases were this 'activate-as-late-as-possible' doesnt work properly. | 11:58 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:58 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, well, if the change works, ship it ;-) | 11:58 |
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| Sweetshark | seb128: Activating proactively however has another advantage. a 'normal' menu would open quick enough, but we have a dbus roundtrip inbetween, so the menu would be slow as you open it -> (dbus-roundtrip populates the menu) -> then you could do stuff, so activating more should give a bit of a performance boost. | 12:01 |
| Sweetshark | and we are not that 1980-ties memory constrained that this hurts us to have addtional listener for more than one submenu. | 12:02 |
| Sweetshark | I will run the shiny new subsequentcheck against a version running in unity (and not headless as in in the build) though, just to see if there are any tricky lifecycle issues hiding here. | 12:04 |
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| apw | Sarvatt, woh, thanks god | 12:52 |
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| didrocks | hey qengho, how are you? | 13:56 |
| qengho | didrocks: good day! | 13:57 |
| didrocks | qengho: do you some time today for a short meeting on webkit/v8/blink and all that fun party? :) | 13:57 |
| Laney | <blink>welcome to 1996</blink> | 13:58 |
| didrocks | ;) | 13:58 |
| qengho | didrocks: Any time in the next 7 hours is yours. | 13:58 |
| didrocks | qengho: excellent, let me try to get everyone ready! Thanks :) | 13:58 |
| Laney | How do I get ps-jenkins to re-run on a branch? It says it's waiting in queue but that doesn't seem to be true from the index on s-jenkins ... | 14:14 |
| Laney | "Publishing status: Waiting in queue" | 14:15 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: mind joining now to this meeting? ^ | 14:16 |
| didrocks | Laney: I think you should ask mmrazik or fginther about it | 14:16 |
| chrisccoulson | what's this? | 14:16 |
| Laney | ok, hopefully fginther got pinged about that | 14:16 |
| Laney | fginther: talking about this MP, BTW: https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/lightdm/logind/+merge/160089 | 14:17 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: meeting to discuss maintainance of webkit/v8/blink | 14:17 |
| Laney | or maybe it doesn't matter if it doesn't get a jenkins rebuild since I obviously did fix it | 14:17 |
| fginther | Laney, looking... | 14:18 |
| didrocks | Laney: and you never make any mistake isn't it? If only there was the jenkins "please jenkins, merge right away, I'm good!" :) | 14:18 |
| didrocks | tag* | 14:18 |
| Laney | heh heh | 14:18 |
| didrocks | the trust tag! :p | 14:18 |
| xnox | didrocks: jdstrand as well?! =) | 14:18 |
| didrocks | xnox: jdstrand isn't available, that's why he told me to ask chrisccoulson :) | 14:18 |
| fginther | Laney, this will not get rebuilt since it was just a commit message. Jenkins will only auto rebuild if a new version is committed | 14:19 |
| Laney | fginther: So it will have run the rest of the tests? | 14:19 |
| xnox | didrocks: darn =) | 14:19 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson can speak for our team-- he is up on everything and would be the person from our team helping out with the maintenance story | 14:19 |
| jdstrand | (primarily) | 14:20 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: available then? ;) | 14:20 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, yeah ;) | 14:20 |
| fginther | Laney, the build and test already passed. the failure was only due to the missing commit message | 14:20 |
| Laney | fginther: Fair enough then - all I could find on Jenkins was a build log, not the test results | 14:21 |
| Laney | http://s-jenkins:8080/job/lightdm-raring-amd64-ci/17/console | 14:21 |
| fginther | Laney, there appear to be no tests configured as part of the pdebuild | 14:22 |
| Laney | hmm | 14:23 |
| fginther | Laney, hmm as well, I see "Enable tests: yes" | 14:23 |
| didrocks | qengho: inviting you as well :) | 14:24 |
| qengho | didrocks: applying raring updates. one sec while config and reboot. | 14:26 |
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| kenvandine | cyphermox, libhud-qt trunk has Ubuntu.HUD 1.0, but it looks like all the apps import 0.1 | 14:58 |
| kenvandine | cyphermox, the api bump was a month ago... but the apps aren't ported yet | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | is there a transition planned? | 14:59 |
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| kenvandine | didrocks, this is why we should have soname like versioning of the qml packages :) | 15:00 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: it reminds something I advise at first :p | 15:03 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, indeed, we did talk about that :) | 15:03 |
| didrocks | ;) | 15:03 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, what confuses me is that the -app packages are building in the daily-build-next ppa | 15:04 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: because we have the latest hud in it | 15:04 |
| kenvandine | right | 15:04 |
| kenvandine | so the autopilot tests aren't running with that ppa | 15:04 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: yeah, they are failing | 15:05 |
| kenvandine | i ported share-app to that on friday, because it i installed libhud-qt from that ppa | 15:05 |
| kenvandine | not because of that... | 15:05 |
| kenvandine | i think we need to discuss versioning of those packages again... who was against versioning those? | 15:07 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: what I understood is that today they are still keeping HUD 0.1 | 15:07 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: for quantal | 15:07 |
| kenvandine | or is it that they aren't parallel installable? | 15:07 |
| didrocks | and tomorrow, we need to transition to latest HUD | 15:07 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: mind helping on that tomorrow? ^ | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | certainly :) | 15:08 |
| didrocks | sil2100 has some knowledge on this as well | 15:08 |
| didrocks | thanks kenvandine :) | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | i already did share-app :) | 15:08 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: awesome! :) | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | so are they going to branch for quantal and them port trunk? | 15:08 |
| didrocks | right ;) | 15:09 |
| didrocks | well branch == release a latest iso | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | s/them/then | 15:09 |
| didrocks | and then having isos on raring | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | ah | 15:09 |
| * kenvandine wonders what's the point of versioned imports in qml if they aren't parallel installable... | 15:11 | |
| didrocks | kenvandine: add me to the list! :) | 15:12 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: I even don't see where the version is defined | 15:12 |
| didrocks | like the .so name doesn't have any version in it | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, don't we have the same issue with versioned libraries that aren't parallel installable too ;) | 15:12 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: we never do that… :p | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | (ie, libraries that depend on translations or gsettings schema, which form part of the ABI too) | 15:12 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: hum, maybe for the projects we are upstream for, but shhhh :p | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 15:13 |
| didrocks | right, another one ;) | 15:13 |
| * didrocks needs to go out for a few | 15:13 | |
| kenvandine | didrocks, bzoltan said we can | 15:13 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: can we apply that to our libs then? :) | 15:14 |
| didrocks | would be good to have a place with best practice for the qml bindings at some point | 15:14 |
| didrocks | like guidelines, it never killed anybody AFAIK ;) | 15:14 |
| cyphermox | kenvandine: transition not planned yet, no. I think we'll need to do the porting | 15:19 |
| cyphermox | shouldn't be huge | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | not huge | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | it's just that they all have to land together | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | yeah :/ | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | i'll figure out how to version qml bindings today :) | 15:20 |
| pitti | Laney: I'd like to work with Robert and you next weed on landing all the logind bits; does that sound ok to you? | 15:31 |
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| Laney | pitti: yes, sounds like a good thing to work on to me | 15:36 |
| Laney | pitti: is there a list somewhere of rdeps of the UPower D-Bus API that's going away? | 15:39 |
| pitti | Laney: I don't think we have that one yet; sounds like another archive grep | 15:39 |
| * Laney nods | 15:39 | |
| pitti | but upower won't disappear that quickly | 15:39 |
| Laney | yeah | 15:39 |
| Laney | it can be done as a "while you're in there" thing for now | 15:40 |
| Laney | but still good to know IMO | 15:40 |
| pitti | Laney: oh, I was confused; the shutdown/suspend stuff will drop from 1.0 indeed | 16:02 |
| Laney | right - but we can keep 0.9.x if necessary | 16:02 |
| Laney | IIRC it'll be maintained for some time as RHEL ships it | 16:03 |
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| qengho | The nvidia-current package provides a conffile that disables nouveau kernel module. SO, it's possible to have removed nvidia packages, but not purged conffiles, and have a broken system. I'm not sure how to handle that or assign the bug. Ideas? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/+bug/1171532 | 16:34 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1171532 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-current shouldn't add conffile that configures 'modprobe'" [Undecided,New] | 16:34 |
| Laney | presumably it should check if it is installed before doing the disabling | 16:35 |
| qengho | Its mechanism so far of disabling is aliasing other package's module to "off" in /etc/modprobe.d/ | 16:36 |
| Laney | no idea what the best way of doing that is | 16:43 |
| Laney | ask mlankhorst | 16:43 |
| mlankhorst | erm modprobe has a mechanism for blacklisting drivers, 'blacklist nouveau' in /etc/modprobe.d would be enough | 16:54 |
| * didrocks waves good evening | 16:59 | |
| qengho | mlankhorst: the problem is package A blacklists B's package in a conffile, and provides B's functionality in package contents. So removed, but not purged A breaks things. | 16:59 |
| mlankhorst | ideally the conffile would be outside of /etc then | 17:02 |
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| Laney | it's not a conffile then, which solves the problem | 17:03 |
| Laney | is there another location? | 17:03 |
| mlankhorst | running through strings I'm guessing /usr/local/lib/modprobe.d, seems wrong though | 17:03 |
| Laney | mmm, modprobe.d does list a few alternatives | 17:04 |
| mlankhorst | hm maybe /lib/modprobe.d too | 17:04 |
| Laney | man modprobe.d that is | 17:05 |
| mlankhorst | at least if I look at the source it would appear that /lib/modprobe.d would be the correct destination then | 17:06 |
| mlankhorst | however, it looks like mkinitramfs does not respect /lib/modprobe.d currently | 17:11 |
| mlankhorst | presumably nobody knew it existed, ah well :) | 17:13 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 17:20 |
| kenvandine | hey seb128 | 17:20 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, cjwatson asked earlier if friends-identica should go to universe or be seeded | 17:21 |
| kenvandine | universe | 17:21 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 17:23 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, had a good w.e? ;-) | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | yup, and you? | 17:23 |
| seb128 | excellent, thanks ;-) | 17:24 |
| kenvandine | yay... i have 2 working versions of Ubuntu.HUD installed in parallel | 17:33 |
| kenvandine | it is possible! | 17:33 |
| ogra_ | one from the top the other from the bottom ? | 17:34 |
| kenvandine | ogra_, :-D | 17:36 |
| xnox | kenvandine: lxc containers do not count, btw =)))))) | 17:42 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 17:42 |
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| mlankhorst | Laney: well I made up, biked 42 km or so today | 19:53 |
| Sweetshark | jasoncwarner: around? | 20:01 |
| ricotz | tedg, hi :), maybe you can comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/plank/+bug/1162851 if you have an idea what is causing it, thanks | 20:05 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1162851 in Plank "GLib-GObject Warnings and Fatal LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB errors when starting Plank from the CLI" [Low,New] | 20:05 |
| mhr3 | desrt, hey, got a question for you | 20:42 |
| mhr3 | desrt, what could cause gdbus to stop responding to any requests (and also to not send them) | 20:43 |
| desrt | mhr3: did you fork()? | 20:43 |
| mhr3 | desrt, no | 20:43 |
| desrt | maybe the worker thread got wedged somehow | 20:43 |
| mhr3 | it's super weird, i'm seeing this in unity from time to time | 20:44 |
| mhr3 | and the worst thing is that it seems to be working otherwise quite ok | 20:44 |
| mhr3 | just dbus is ignored | 20:44 |
| mhr3 | need to check top next time it happens to see if something keeps spinning the cpu | 20:45 |
| mhr3 | desrt, i suppose a GSource could be the cause of that? | 20:46 |
| desrt | there is not very much that happens in the worker thread | 20:46 |
| desrt | anyway... you know the routine | 20:47 |
| desrt | check for spinning and get a backtrace (of all threads) in any case | 20:47 |
| mhr3 | i wish i could reproduce it when i actually have debug symbols | 20:47 |
| mhr3 | desrt, what prio does the worker use to send it back? | 20:48 |
| mhr3 | DEFAULT or something lower? | 20:48 |
| seb128 | mhr3, when you see that, do you have stuff blocking in dbus sync calls? | 20:49 |
| mhr3 | seb128, i didn't see a stacktrace from it yet, it's what i've been trying to get the whole day, but i just couldn't trigger it | 20:49 |
| seb128 | mhr3, just wondering, I've a bug where sometimes things "block"/"timeout" in dbus sync calls | 20:50 |
| seb128 | like clicking on any link freezes xchat-gnome | 20:50 |
| seb128 | or firefox blocks when using webapps | 20:50 |
| seb128 | and sometime compiz freezes as well | 20:50 |
| mhr3 | i don't think unity uses any sync calls | 20:50 |
| mhr3 | i hope at least | 20:50 |
| seb128 | well, my issue is probably different, it seems like dbus stop working as it should | 20:51 |
| seb128 | like xchat-gnome hangs on gvfs dbus calls | 20:51 |
| seb128 | when opening urls | 20:51 |
| mhr3 | seb128, that is somewhat what i see too | 20:51 |
| seb128 | but I've no clue how to debug that | 20:51 |
| mhr3 | any dbus calls don't get dispatched and also nothing is received | 20:51 |
| seb128 | it's not specific to unity | 20:52 |
| mhr3 | i haven't seen it outside of unity | 20:53 |
| mhr3 | then again, i'm not running 13.04 just yet :) | 20:54 |
| mhr3 | and even when i did see it was on 13.04 | 20:54 |
| seb128_ | back (timeouted) | 20:56 |
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| thumper | morning | 21:21 |
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