pittiGood morning04:59
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seb128Laney, hey08:08
seb128good morning desktopers08:08
Laneyhey seb12808:09
Laneygood weekend?08:09
seb128yes, weather was not as good it is today, but the w.e was still good ;-)08:09
Laneyvery good thanks, lots of bike riding08:10
mlankhorstnot much bike riding here this weekend!08:12
didrockssalut seb128, bon week-end?08:12
mlankhorstmondays, perfect time to do paperwork08:13
pittihey Laney, bonjour seb12808:13
pittiça va didrocks08:14
seb128lut didrocks, pitti08:14
* pitti waves to mlankhorst, too08:14
seb128didrocks, nickel, et toi ?08:14
seb128hey mlankhorst08:14
didrocksguten morgen pitti!08:14
mlankhorstheya :)08:14
mlankhorstI mean..08:14
didrocksseb128: pas fait grand chose vu qu'il pleuvait ;)08:14
seb128didrocks, weather was not so nice here either, and I still have some remaining bits of cold, so I spent quite some time on the TV (watching tennis and playing video games) as well ;-)08:17
didrocksheh :)08:17
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone08:28
seb128chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? had a good w.e?08:30
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, i'm good thanks. my w.e wasn't too bad. i managed to take lots of junk to the recycling centre this weekend08:31
chrisccoulsonhow about you?08:31
didrockshey chrisccoulson!08:35
chrisccoulsonhi didrocks08:35
seb128chrisccoulson, heh, mine was a lazy one, which is good ;-)08:46
seb128chrisccoulson, before travelling next w.e ...08:46
chrisccoulsonheh, yeah, i'm not looking forward to travelling08:47
seb128I'm looking forward seeing everyone though ;-)08:49
pittiwhen will you guys arrive?08:56
* pitti will arrive at SFO on Sat at 16:2508:57
pittiogra_: ah, you are on the same one08:58
ogra_on sunday though08:59
Laneysome time around then08:59
pittiogra_: oh09:00
* didrocks on Sun 12:5009:00
Laneysat 17:1509:01
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, i'm looking forward to seeing everyone. just not the travelling part ;)09:02
chrisccoulsoni don't look forward to spending 10 hours sat in a tiny seat in a tin can :)09:02
* Laney has been considering premium economy09:02
seb128what's the difference? leg room?09:02
Laneybasically yeah09:02
pittiI don't mind much the flight there; I fear the flight back09:02
* ogra_ guesses todays strike will actually even affect next weekend09:03
pittior perhaps I'll try and take 3 Melantonins :)09:03
pittiogra_: you think they'll continue to strike?09:03
seb128pitti, easier to hack in a small seat than to sleep?K09:03
ogra_(lufthansa shot down all flights today)09:03
pittiseb128: yeah09:03
chrisccoulsonpitti - i never sleep on flights. i think i need something a bit stronger09:04
pittiseb128: and there isn't a night supposed to happen09:04
seb128ogra_, did they? shrug09:04
* didrocks doesn't mind flying as well, just waking up at 5AM is a little bit too much ;)09:04
ogra_pitti, nope, but 1700 flights is a lot, they will have to book people around all the week09:04
pittichrisccoulson: yeah, I can hardly sleep too; maybe an hour or two09:04
pittiogra_: yeah09:04
ogra_so all flights out of germany will be full09:04
ogra_and that will have some effect through the week ... and imho until the weekend09:05
seb128ogra_, well, I'm sure we will manage it, rebooked if needed, maybe with some promotion :p09:06
ogra_(overbooking etc)09:06
seb128ogra_, not sure how they handle stuff, but I would assume that frequent flyers have a better chance to not be rebooked09:06
* ogra_ lost his silver status this year :?09:09
Laneyyou cool kids with your status09:09
pittiLaney: FWIW, I'd treat not having a status against not having to fly so much any time :)09:43
pitti(says a mere-mortal wood class passenger)09:44
xnoxhmm.... can't some of those airlines re-route via paris/amsterdam/london ?!09:48
xnoxextra hops are a pain, but if it gets more flights off the ground .....09:48
ogra_xnox, sure, they usually do their best to re-route you but it produces fallout throughout the week09:49
pittivBeerDrinking: error: plugin not found09:50
Laneytrue, vTrappist just wouldn't cut it09:50
LaneyAll 203 tests passed10:31
seb128desrt, good morning10:50
seb128desrt, had a good W.E?10:50
seb128well, nice it was productive, though it's not W.E are for :p10:51
desrtwe're spriting, dude :p10:51
desrti managed to land icon serialisation, finally10:51
desrtand got alex to review that gobject performance work10:51
desrtand dbus activation of apps is now working in a branch on my computer10:51
desrtgonna polish that up today and try for a review10:52
seb128push that somewhere10:52
desrtit's actually pretty trivial10:52
desrtthe real hard stuff was done in GApplication over 2 years ago10:52
desrtthis is just some small changes there plus some changes to GDesktopAppInfo10:52
seb128I still remember daniels getting his laptop stolen with months of xorg work on it without copy :p10:53
desrti have dejadup to protect me :)10:53
desrtanyway... no more fork()/exec() in unity10:53
desrtor anything, for that matter10:53
Sweetsharkseb128: any opinion on bug 1085169? has seen ~1000 installs from ppa, seems to be fixed, should we possibly SRU that one?11:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 1085169 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice Menus Stop Working even with libreoffice>=1:3.6.2~rc2-0ubuntu4 and indicator-appmenu>=12.10.3-0ubuntu2.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108516911:06
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seb128Sweetshark, hey11:30
seb128Sweetshark, what's the diff? seems like a valid SRU candidate to me yes11:31
Sweetsharkthis is the relevant patch: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=blob;f=patches/lp-1085169-we-overactivate-here-as-it-does-not-seem-.diff;h=998f0a10ea58f530a55642e525aae845717505e4;hb=193cbdb33935f59f4ab88a17304eef72cbfa4f2d11:45
mlankhorstmmmm sru's11:47
seb128Sweetshark, seems fine for a SRU, though the description seems like a workaround rather than a fix for the issue...?11:52
Sweetsharkseb128: a bit. In LibreOffice, when you open a menu it would then populate the menu and link it to the dispatchers (thus getting the states, checkboxes, disabled stuff). What afernandez tried was to do the same with appindicator-menu. It seems there are a few cornercases were this 'activate-as-late-as-possible' doesnt work properly.11:58
seb128Sweetshark, well, if the change works, ship it ;-)11:58
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Sweetsharkseb128: Activating proactively however has another advantage. a 'normal' menu would open quick enough, but we have a dbus roundtrip inbetween, so the menu would be slow as you open it -> (dbus-roundtrip populates the menu) -> then you could do stuff, so activating more should give a bit of a performance boost.12:01
Sweetsharkand we are not that 1980-ties memory constrained that this hurts us to have addtional listener for more than one submenu.12:02
SweetsharkI will run the shiny new subsequentcheck against a version running in unity (and not headless as in in the build) though, just to see if there are any tricky lifecycle issues hiding here.12:04
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apwSarvatt, woh, thanks god12:52
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didrockshey qengho, how are you?13:56
qenghodidrocks: good day!13:57
didrocksqengho: do you some time today for a short meeting on webkit/v8/blink and all that fun party? :)13:57
Laney<blink>welcome to 1996</blink>13:58
qenghodidrocks: Any time in the next 7 hours is yours.13:58
didrocksqengho: excellent, let me try to get everyone ready! Thanks :)13:58
LaneyHow do I get ps-jenkins to re-run on a branch? It says it's waiting in queue but that doesn't seem to be true from the index on s-jenkins ...14:14
Laney"Publishing status: Waiting in queue"14:15
didrockschrisccoulson: mind joining now to this meeting? ^14:16
didrocksLaney: I think you should ask mmrazik or fginther about it14:16
chrisccoulsonwhat's this?14:16
Laneyok, hopefully fginther got pinged about that14:16
Laneyfginther: talking about this MP, BTW: https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/lightdm/logind/+merge/16008914:17
didrockschrisccoulson: meeting to discuss maintainance of webkit/v8/blink14:17
Laneyor maybe it doesn't matter if it doesn't get a jenkins rebuild since I obviously did fix it14:17
fgintherLaney, looking...14:18
didrocksLaney: and you never make any mistake isn't it? If only there was the jenkins "please jenkins, merge right away, I'm good!" :)14:18
Laneyheh heh14:18
didrocksthe trust tag! :p14:18
xnoxdidrocks: jdstrand as well?! =)14:18
didrocksxnox: jdstrand isn't available, that's why he told me to ask chrisccoulson :)14:18
fgintherLaney, this will not get rebuilt since it was just a commit message. Jenkins will only auto rebuild if a new version is committed14:19
Laneyfginther: So it will have run the rest of the tests?14:19
xnoxdidrocks: darn =)14:19
jdstrandchrisccoulson can speak for our team-- he is up on everything and would be the person from our team helping out with the maintenance story14:19
didrockschrisccoulson: available then? ;)14:20
chrisccoulsondidrocks, yeah ;)14:20
fgintherLaney, the build and test already passed. the failure was only due to the missing commit message14:20
Laneyfginther: Fair enough then - all I could find on Jenkins was a build log, not the test results14:21
fgintherLaney, there appear to be no tests configured as part of the pdebuild14:22
fgintherLaney, hmm as well, I see "Enable tests: yes"14:23
didrocksqengho: inviting you as well :)14:24
qenghodidrocks: applying raring updates. one sec while config and reboot.14:26
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kenvandinecyphermox, libhud-qt trunk has Ubuntu.HUD 1.0, but it looks like all the apps import 0.114:58
kenvandinecyphermox, the api bump was a month ago... but the apps aren't ported yet14:59
kenvandineis there a transition planned?14:59
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kenvandinedidrocks, this is why we should have soname like versioning of the qml packages :)15:00
didrockskenvandine: it reminds something I advise at first :p15:03
kenvandinedidrocks, indeed, we did talk about that :)15:03
kenvandinedidrocks, what confuses me is that the -app packages are building in the daily-build-next ppa15:04
didrockskenvandine: because we have the latest hud in it15:04
kenvandineso the autopilot tests aren't running with that ppa15:04
didrockskenvandine: yeah, they are failing15:05
kenvandinei ported share-app to that on friday, because it i installed libhud-qt from that ppa15:05
kenvandinenot because of that...15:05
kenvandinei think we need to discuss versioning of those packages again... who was against versioning those?15:07
didrockskenvandine: what I understood is that today they are still keeping HUD 0.115:07
didrockskenvandine: for quantal15:07
kenvandineor is it that they aren't parallel installable?15:07
didrocksand tomorrow, we need to transition to latest HUD15:07
didrockskenvandine: mind helping on that tomorrow? ^15:08
kenvandinecertainly :)15:08
didrockssil2100 has some knowledge on this as well15:08
didrocksthanks kenvandine :)15:08
kenvandinei already did share-app :)15:08
didrockskenvandine: awesome! :)15:08
kenvandineso are they going to branch for quantal and them port trunk?15:08
didrocksright ;)15:09
didrockswell branch == release a latest iso15:09
didrocksand then having isos on raring15:09
* kenvandine wonders what's the point of versioned imports in qml if they aren't parallel installable...15:11
didrockskenvandine: add me to the list! :)15:12
didrockskenvandine: I even don't see where the version is defined15:12
didrockslike the .so name doesn't have any version in it15:12
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, don't we have the same issue with versioned libraries that aren't parallel installable too ;)15:12
didrockschrisccoulson: we never do that… :p15:12
chrisccoulson(ie, libraries that depend on translations or gsettings schema, which form part of the ABI too)15:12
didrockschrisccoulson: hum, maybe for the projects we are upstream for, but shhhh :p15:12
didrocksright, another one ;)15:13
* didrocks needs to go out for a few15:13
kenvandinedidrocks, bzoltan said we can15:13
didrockskenvandine: can we apply that to our libs then? :)15:14
didrockswould be good to have a place with best practice for the qml bindings at some point15:14
didrockslike guidelines, it never killed anybody AFAIK ;)15:14
cyphermoxkenvandine: transition not planned yet, no. I think we'll need to do the porting15:19
cyphermoxshouldn't be huge15:19
kenvandinenot huge15:19
kenvandineit's just that they all have to land together15:20
cyphermoxyeah :/15:20
kenvandinei'll figure out how to version qml bindings today :)15:20
pittiLaney: I'd like to work with Robert and you next weed on landing all the logind bits; does that sound ok to you?15:31
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Laneypitti: yes, sounds like a good thing to work on to me15:36
Laneypitti: is there a list somewhere of rdeps of the UPower D-Bus API that's going away?15:39
pittiLaney: I don't think we have that one yet; sounds like another archive grep15:39
* Laney nods15:39
pittibut upower won't disappear that quickly15:39
Laneyit can be done as a "while you're in there" thing for now15:40
Laneybut still good to know IMO15:40
pittiLaney: oh, I was confused; the shutdown/suspend stuff will drop from 1.0 indeed16:02
Laneyright - but we can keep 0.9.x if necessary16:02
LaneyIIRC it'll be maintained for some time as RHEL ships it16:03
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qenghoThe nvidia-current package provides a conffile that disables nouveau kernel module. SO, it's possible to have removed nvidia packages, but not purged conffiles, and have a broken system.  I'm not sure how to handle that or assign the bug.  Ideas? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/+bug/117153216:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 1171532 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-current shouldn't add conffile that configures 'modprobe'" [Undecided,New]16:34
Laneypresumably it should check if it is installed before doing the disabling16:35
qenghoIts mechanism so far of disabling is aliasing other package's module to "off" in /etc/modprobe.d/16:36
Laneyno idea what the best way of doing that is16:43
Laneyask mlankhorst16:43
mlankhorsterm modprobe has a mechanism for blacklisting drivers, 'blacklist nouveau' in /etc/modprobe.d would be enough16:54
* didrocks waves good evening16:59
qenghomlankhorst: the problem is package A blacklists B's package in a conffile, and provides B's functionality in package contents.  So removed, but not purged A breaks things.16:59
mlankhorstideally the conffile would be outside of /etc then17:02
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Laneyit's not a conffile then, which solves the problem17:03
Laneyis there another location?17:03
mlankhorstrunning through strings I'm guessing /usr/local/lib/modprobe.d, seems wrong though17:03
Laneymmm, modprobe.d does list a few alternatives17:04
mlankhorsthm maybe /lib/modprobe.d too17:04
Laneyman modprobe.d that is17:05
mlankhorstat least if I look at the source it would appear that /lib/modprobe.d would be the correct destination then17:06
mlankhorsthowever, it looks like mkinitramfs does not respect /lib/modprobe.d currently17:11
mlankhorstpresumably nobody knew it existed, ah well :)17:13
seb128kenvandine, hey17:20
kenvandinehey seb12817:20
seb128kenvandine, cjwatson asked earlier if friends-identica should go to universe or be seeded17:21
seb128kenvandine, thanks17:23
seb128kenvandine, had a good w.e? ;-)17:23
kenvandineyup, and you?17:23
seb128excellent, thanks ;-)17:24
kenvandineyay... i have 2 working versions of Ubuntu.HUD installed in parallel17:33
kenvandineit is possible!17:33
ogra_one from the top the other from the bottom ?17:34
kenvandineogra_, :-D17:36
xnoxkenvandine: lxc containers do not count, btw =))))))17:42
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mlankhorstLaney: well I made up, biked 42 km or so today19:53
Sweetsharkjasoncwarner: around?20:01
ricotztedg, hi :), maybe you can comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/plank/+bug/1162851 if you have an idea what is causing it, thanks20:05
ubot2Launchpad bug 1162851 in Plank "GLib-GObject Warnings and Fatal LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB errors when starting Plank from the CLI" [Low,New]20:05
mhr3desrt, hey, got a question for you20:42
mhr3desrt, what could cause gdbus to stop responding to any requests (and also to not send them)20:43
desrtmhr3: did you fork()?20:43
mhr3desrt, no20:43
desrtmaybe the worker thread got wedged somehow20:43
mhr3it's super weird, i'm seeing this in unity from time to time20:44
mhr3and the worst thing is that it seems to be working otherwise quite ok20:44
mhr3just dbus is ignored20:44
mhr3need to check top next time it happens to see if something keeps spinning the cpu20:45
mhr3desrt, i suppose a GSource could be the cause of that?20:46
desrtthere is not very much that happens in the worker thread20:46
desrtanyway... you know the routine20:47
desrtcheck for spinning and get a backtrace (of all threads) in any case20:47
mhr3i wish i could reproduce it when i actually have debug symbols20:47
mhr3desrt, what prio does the worker use to send it back?20:48
mhr3DEFAULT or something lower?20:48
seb128mhr3, when you see that, do you have stuff blocking in dbus sync calls?20:49
mhr3seb128, i didn't see a stacktrace from it yet, it's what i've been trying to get the whole day, but i just couldn't trigger it20:49
seb128mhr3, just wondering, I've a bug where sometimes things "block"/"timeout" in dbus sync calls20:50
seb128like clicking on any link freezes xchat-gnome20:50
seb128or firefox blocks when using webapps20:50
seb128and sometime compiz freezes as well20:50
mhr3i don't think unity uses any sync calls20:50
mhr3i hope at least20:50
seb128well, my issue is probably different, it seems like dbus stop working as it should20:51
seb128like xchat-gnome hangs on gvfs dbus calls20:51
seb128when opening urls20:51
mhr3seb128, that is somewhat what i see too20:51
seb128but I've no clue how to debug that20:51
mhr3any dbus calls don't get dispatched and also nothing is received20:51
seb128it's not specific to unity20:52
mhr3i haven't seen it outside of unity20:53
mhr3then again, i'm not running 13.04 just yet :)20:54
mhr3and even when i did see it was on 13.0420:54
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