| snap-l | Ugh, computers are no fun | 00:37 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | Had all sorts of fun with a NVidia card at my parents place | 00:37 |
| rick_h_ | ruh roh | 00:38 |
| snap-l | Finally decided to say fuck it and get an AMD card | 00:38 |
| rick_h_ | :/ | 00:38 |
| snap-l | Rather than figure out which of the 5 different driver variations might be the one to make it not crashy | 00:38 |
| rick_h_ | and that worked? Everyone is telling me nvidia ftw | 00:38 |
| snap-l | I have an AMD card in this machine | 00:38 |
| snap-l | orered another one | 00:38 |
| snap-l | I'm sure it's great if you have the Geforce uber-fucktard 1e+48 version, but trying to figure out what magic incantation makes the GeForce 7500LE not shit itself is not my idea of an evening well spent. | 00:40 |
| Blazeix | i think you have a reasonably modern card, you won't have trouble with nvidia | 00:44 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that's just it. This card is not modern by any stretch of the imagination | 00:44 |
| Blazeix | "reasonably modern" means less than 5 or 6 years. ish | 00:44 |
| snap-l | It's a shit OEM card | 00:45 |
| Blazeix | just reassuring rick_h_ that he shouldn't think twice about buying a nice nvidia card :) | 00:45 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_7_Series#GeForce_7500_LE_.28OEM.29 | 00:45 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, yea the ones from system76 aren't on there at all | 00:50 |
| brousch | intel ftw | 00:51 |
| snap-l | Intel FTNoperformance | 00:52 |
| rick_h_ | tiles fine here :P | 00:53 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, going to get the GTX 660 | 00:53 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_family.html wtf, how many models can one product need? | 00:55 |
| rick_h_ | I mean, even MS is looking at that list going w..t..f | 00:55 |
| rick_h_ | I did want an AMD card at one point when I found one that would do triple head | 00:56 |
| snap-l | Well, this one is for the desktop series, and this one is for the laptop series, | 00:56 |
| snap-l | and this one is for the OEM Inuit PC builders. | 00:57 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, so if I get a second one I can do 3 displays? | 00:58 |
| snap-l | I'm not sure how that works | 00:58 |
| rick_h_ | gah, a 680? | 00:59 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/394157-33-will-support-monitors nvm woot! | 01:02 |
| snap-l | Yeah, but will Linux support it? | 01:03 |
| rick_h_ | up to the nvidia driver I guess. I know awesome can handle it | 01:03 |
| rick_h_ | http://askubuntu.com/questions/21144/how-do-i-get-three-monitors-working | 01:04 |
| rick_h_ | that's for 2011 | 01:04 |
| rick_h_ | so hopefully still works in today's world | 01:04 |
| rick_h_ | here we go, closer http://superuser.com/questions/476012/linux-nvidia-surround-3-monitors | 01:07 |
| snap-l | I'm about ready to decapitate something | 01:15 |
| brousch | beers are in the fridge | 01:16 |
| snap-l | Fucking Banshee is locking up | 01:16 |
| snap-l | trying to import disks | 01:16 |
| derekv | some chance of new kinesis ergo in 2013 http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36195.msg861000#msg861000 | 02:19 |
| rick_h_ | cool, have cornice hooked up with redis and an api for getting/setting/removing config values. | 02:29 |
| rick_h_ | not sold on the error'ing methodology but still cool | 02:29 |
| derekv | i spent all day looking at mountain bikes online. | 02:31 |
| rick_h_ | woot! | 02:31 |
| rick_h_ | anything good? | 02:31 |
| rick_h_ | ooooh, I like this error a lot better | 02:33 |
| Blazeix | rick_h_: nice. so cornice adds rest specification stuff (content-type, verbs, etc) to pyramid? | 02:39 |
| derekv | yea I went to order brake replacements/upgrades for my old mtb but became uncertain because the front fork mount is nonstandard | 02:42 |
| derekv | then started looking into new ones and fell in love with one ... but its cheap and there's not like anywhere around here i can just ride | 02:45 |
| derekv | er ride one | 02:45 |
| derekv | also trying to figure out a new video card | 02:46 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix yea and csn tie into shpinx for generating api docs and the like. | 02:48 |
| Blazeix | cool | 02:49 |
| derekv | oh new dr episode | 03:08 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/945/ is kind of how it's working/code. Didn't want to push yet as it's a local mess as I just tinkered with cornice POC | 03:17 |
| derekv | amazon down | 05:25 |
| snap-l | GOod morning | 11:59 |
| snap-l | I hate it when I accidentally hit something on my headphones, and suddenly my headphone explode into stereo because of a bad connection | 13:13 |
| snap-l | Was blaming something in the audio chain (Squeezebox resamplling or something like that). | 13:14 |
| jrwren_ | igt tat etitrom static electricitinnthephones to sceand sodetecting change in | 13:35 |
| jrwren_ | wow. kb wtf. | 13:35 |
| rick_h_ | lol, time to change the batteries | 13:36 |
| jrwren_ | i get that sometimes from static electricity in the headphone to source and source detecting a change | 13:36 |
| jrwren_ | this was direct on laptop kb. | 13:36 |
| jrwren_ | really strange. MAC | 13:36 |
| jrwren_ | i hate mac | 13:36 |
| brousch | I have several rows from the same table I need to update in my web application. What strategy should I use for uniquely identifying form fields so each row's fields can be distinguished from each other? | 13:47 |
| brousch | Add a -uid to the end of each field? | 13:48 |
| brousch | That seems ugly and annoying | 13:49 |
| rick_h_ | how's the form submitted? JS or normal http post? | 13:49 |
| brousch | post | 13:50 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: and it's all one form you submit at once right? | 13:50 |
| brousch | yeah | 13:50 |
| rick_h_ | then yea, you have to adjust the field names to match some index/id | 13:51 |
| brousch | Then I have to manually parse it all on the server? | 13:52 |
| brousch | Seems so hackish | 13:52 |
| rick_h_ | yep, welcome to the limitations of http | 13:52 |
| rick_h_ | if you did it in JS, you could data-id="xx" and parse the fields, json the data, and send a single call with the data nice and objectified | 13:53 |
| snap-l | brousch: You shouldn't be updating table data on a page anyway. That's what Excel is for | 14:25 |
| brousch | :P | 14:25 |
| snap-l | Right tool, right job | 14:26 |
| brousch | This is much nastier than I thought it would be | 14:26 |
| snap-l | Hm, it's take our offspring to work day on the 25th | 14:27 |
| snap-l | Wonder if I could bring my cat to work? | 14:27 |
| jjesse | is your cat your offspring? if so that is weird and then acceptable | 14:28 |
| snap-l | jjesse: She's my little fur-baby. | 14:28 |
| snap-l | (and no, I can't type that with a straight face) | 14:28 |
| jjesse | lol | 14:40 |
| snap-l | So, who else is gonna pour a forty for Earth day? | 14:44 |
| jjesse | i filled my car up with gas today in support of earth day | 14:51 |
| snap-l | I'm gonna turn off the lights and read a book via my Nook. | 14:52 |
| snap-l | because i like to miss the point. :) | 14:52 |
| greg-g | I haz almost complete standing desk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/grggrssmr/8672540524/in/photostream | 15:19 |
| snap-l | Cool setup, but lose the keyboard. :) | 15:30 |
| snap-l | Also, the M310 is my favorite mouse. :) | 15:31 |
| snap-l | Cheap, but feels awesome | 15:31 |
| greg-g | what's wrong with the keyboard?! | 15:54 |
| snap-l | I can't handle those keyboards. They do bad things to my brain | 15:55 |
| brousch | OMG I think I've been fighting a bug in Chrome's inspect element tools | 16:28 |
| brousch | Pulling my hair out | 16:28 |
| brousch | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101667/snapshot21.png | 16:29 |
| brousch | You can see the value in the highlighted input is 2, but in the inspector it says value="1" | 16:29 |
| snap-l | I see the problem | 16:56 |
| snap-l | You're using KDE | 16:56 |
| snap-l | Does weird things to the brain, that KDE. | 16:56 |
| snap-l | Also, did that start off life as 1 and then get changed to 2? | 16:57 |
| devinheitmueller | rick_h_: Quick question: what is Bookie using for full text search? | 16:58 |
| brousch | yes | 17:10 |
| rick_h_ | devinheitmueller: whoosh | 17:10 |
| devinheitmueller | Ah, cool. Thanks. | 17:11 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: how do you like working with it? | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | devinheitmueller: work project is elasticsearch. | 17:11 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: Chris Webber (the Mediagoblin guy) is looking for a search solution | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: <3 it. Pure python. Works for scale of around 30k or so web pages. | 17:12 |
| devinheitmueller | Given the extremely small dataset I'm dealing with (a few thousand records), Whoosh is probably more than sufficient for me. | 17:12 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: but since it's file based it's disk limited, hard to sync and scale out. | 17:12 |
| rick_h_ | devinheitmueller: yea, for small stuff that doesn't need to HA it's awesome and allows for a lot of fine tune'd fulltext tweaking for folks that know what they want | 17:13 |
| rick_h_ | much nicer than trying to sync diffs in sqlite/mysql/pgsql fulltext | 17:13 |
| devinheitmueller | Nice. | 17:13 |
| rick_h_ | to match whatever db you feel like using with the ORM | 17:13 |
| devinheitmueller | I've got a fairly small static dataset, so I don't really care that much how efficient it is. | 17:14 |
| greg-g | cool | 17:14 |
| rick_h_ | devinheitmueller: cool, yea then pure python ftw | 17:14 |
| devinheitmueller | Basically just trying to build a search engine around a Q/A session: http://drugfactsweek.drugabuse.gov/chat/2011/index.php | 17:14 |
| rick_h_ | cool | 17:14 |
| brousch | The big guys use solr | 17:16 |
| greg-g | we use lucene/solr at Wikimedia | 17:16 |
| snap-l | Wow, Vim is amazing | 17:16 |
| snap-l | http://vimcasts.org/episodes/supercharged-substitution-with-subvert/ | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | man, scary I've got a pair fo 3TB drives and that was because I didn't want to spend the $$ for 4TB :/ | 18:14 |
| rick_h_ | time to test the syology upgrade process | 18:14 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I can't fathom having 4TB on a drive | 18:15 |
| snap-l | Scared me enough to have 1TB of data in one location. | 18:15 |
| snap-l | Of course that also held true for 1GB drives. :) | 18:16 |
| greg-g | btrfs raid ftw | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, well it'll be 3TB mirror raid on the NAS | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: but still. Crazy. I've got backups of laptops long gone I just keep | 18:18 |
| greg-g | :) | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | because it's more work to go through and see if there's anything I need to hold onto vs just rsync'ing /home /etc /var each time I do a new install | 18:18 |
| snap-l | WHen copying over my parents' machine (heir 340GB drive) I realized there were several copies of the same damn files | 18:19 |
| snap-l | and a copy of files from their old 486 machine | 18:19 |
| snap-l | And you're right; it's cheaper to just copy the damn stuff forward than to actually go through and prune | 18:20 |
| snap-l | WOnder if in the future we'll stop using magnetic media, and just have optical media that is Write Once, Read Many | 18:21 |
| snap-l | because the media will be so cheap, and there's no worry of it degrading | 18:21 |
| rick_h_ | heh, anyone need any 500GB drives? Pulling out 2TB ones to put in the desktop and 3TB going in. 500GB seems so...quaint now | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | actually have a desktop I need to make disappear shortly. | 18:25 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: What CPU? | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | 8GB ram | 18:27 |
| snap-l | Respectable. | 18:30 |
| greg-g | definitely no where near not respectable ;) | 18:31 |
| snap-l | Well, it's a dual core machine. | 18:31 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it's a custom built then I put together years ago to be a file server | 18:32 |
| rick_h_ | and was running my jenkins builds of bookie, been headless, etc | 18:32 |
| rick_h_ | basically been turned off for a long time since I got tired of sync'ing/etc as my laptop is more powerful | 18:32 |
| snap-l | Hm, we need to have it do something useful again | 18:33 |
| rick_h_ | yea, like fly away and not take up space. :) | 18:34 |
| snap-l | heh | 18:34 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, formatting 3tb seems like it's giong to take a while | 18:34 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Ya think? | 18:34 |
| * rick_h_ wants to start backup! | 18:34 | |
| jrwren_ | this looks sweet: https://github.com/bulletproofnetworks/ript | 18:35 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: can I have your old drives? | 18:35 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: cool | 18:36 |
| jrwren_ | i cut a SATA cable to fit ESATA based on snap-l conversation last week but I have no working SATA drives with which to test :) | 18:36 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: no, going to take my old 2tb ones and put them in the desktop when I get it | 18:36 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: oh, I've got some spare 500GB sata ones if you need | 18:36 |
| jrwren_ | i'll take 2 if you got 'em :) | 18:37 |
| jrwren_ | CHC on Wednesday? :) | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: have to get an esata enclosure though | 18:37 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: That means you'll need to come into Oakland County | 18:37 |
| jrwren_ | snap-l: for a pair of 500GB drives, I'll come into Oakland Co :) | 18:37 |
| snap-l | Hypocrite. ;) | 18:38 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: part of the test was trying to run drives without an esata enclosure. | 18:38 |
| jrwren_ | snap-l: you know it ;) | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: jrwren_ ah, got it | 18:38 |
| snap-l | Speaking of coming into Oakland County, any of you coming to Penguicon? | 18:38 |
| jrwren_ | uncertain | 18:39 |
| snap-l | It's this weekend, in case you were procrastinating. ;) | 18:41 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: ok, so yea. I've got 3 of them, and one 500GB IDE drive | 18:42 |
| jrwren_ | Steve Andre', Marcus Watts - openbsd. every year. kudos to them for doing it every year. | 18:42 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: they are all 500? I'll take 'em. I can put 'em to use. | 18:43 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: cool. I've got to pull two out of the desktop. They're not plugged in. I didn't bother re-resetting up the raid5 when I did the last ubuntu install on there | 18:43 |
| snap-l | Good thing they're not 500MB. You'd be hard pressed to put them to use. :) | 18:44 |
| jrwren_ | True! | 18:44 |
| jrwren_ | i remember dropping a lot of coin (for me at the time) on a 500MB drive back in '95 | 18:44 |
| jrwren_ | maybe it was '96 | 18:44 |
| snap-l | I remember dropping a lot of coin for a 60MB drive and a SCSI enclosure (along with a SCSI interface for my Atari 800XL) | 18:45 |
| snap-l | s/60/40/ | 18:45 |
| jrwren_ | holy crap? seriously? | 18:45 |
| snap-l | Yep | 18:46 |
| jrwren_ | i only had cassette tape for my 800XL | 18:46 |
| jrwren_ | i didn't even know you could get HD for them | 18:46 |
| snap-l | Yeah, and they had some strange partitioning system where you could map any of the partitions as a floppy disk | 18:46 |
| snap-l | It was a third-party mod | 18:47 |
| jrwren_ | how was it managed? | 18:47 |
| jrwren_ | it didn't exactly have a filesystem. | 18:47 |
| jrwren_ | manual partition management? I guess I could see that. | 18:48 |
| snap-l | Yeah, you basically mapped each parition to a drive letter | 18:48 |
| snap-l | using some special OS drivers. | 18:48 |
| jrwren_ | drive letters? | 18:48 |
| snap-l | D1, D2, ... D8 | 18:48 |
| jrwren_ | are you thikning of ST instead of 800XL? | 18:48 |
| jrwren_ | huh, cool. | 18:48 |
| snap-l | D8 was usually a RAMDisk | 18:49 |
| jrwren_ | hahaha, from teh 64KB of RAM ? | 18:49 |
| snap-l | Nope, I don't have a ST machine | 18:49 |
| rick_h_ | still formatting... | 18:49 |
| snap-l | It as more useful on the 130XE | 18:49 |
| snap-l | since you could only address 64K at a time | 18:49 |
| snap-l | They used bank-switching to access the upper 64K, so it made sense to use that as a ram disk | 18:50 |
| snap-l | since no programs were likely to use it | 18:50 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: I'll have to show you the hardware. It was really cool. | 18:50 |
| snap-l | It was the CSS Black Box | 18:51 |
| jrwren_ | makes sense | 18:51 |
| snap-l | http://www.nleaudio.com/css/products/black.htm | 18:51 |
| rick_h_ | lol, pulled the old HP mini down from the rack. | 18:52 |
| snap-l | decommissioned? | 18:53 |
| rick_h_ | well it was still on | 18:53 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, it's sitting on top of the NAS and not doing anything. Time for a office re-org | 18:53 |
| rick_h_ | pulling down my old broadvoice voip box off the rack | 18:53 |
| snap-l | End of an era | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | so sad to have all this old working computer gear but it's just worthless. | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | no one wants an old slow netbook | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | my Nexus10 with the BT keyboard is a TON nicer to use than this thing | 18:54 |
| snap-l | Yeah, we still have the ASUS netbook | 18:54 |
| snap-l | It's sitting on a shelf | 18:55 |
| jrwren_ | might as well be a 486 ;) | 18:55 |
| rick_h_ | atom with 1GB of ram | 18:55 |
| snap-l | That's the funny thing | 18:56 |
| snap-l | I have no problem keeping an Atari machine long past it's prime | 18:56 |
| snap-l | but if it's Intel based, I'll recycle that things ass in a heartbeat. | 18:56 |
| rick_h_ | keeping up an old computer is overhead. It's more maint. to sync up your config/settings. Tracking what's on it. manage the ip addresses/services. Backup data | 18:56 |
| snap-l | (That said, I'm all about getting every last MIP out of the Intel hardware) | 18:56 |
| rick_h_ | I started to keep the pypi mirror on there thinking it's low power/etc | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | but dealing with it being on the internal network and when I'm home/away/offline | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | ended up just loading it up locally instead | 18:57 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 18:57 |
| snap-l | though SSH tunnels are your friend | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | format is done, backup time! | 19:22 |
| * rick_h_ does some match. 1.2TB at USB2 wheeee | 19:22 | |
| rick_h_ | /match/math | 19:22 |
| snap-l | No fun | 19:22 |
| rick_h_ | it's ok. I realized there's a flaw in my plan. So I ahve to wait for another disk to arrive wed before I can complete this | 19:23 |
| snap-l | Heh | 19:23 |
| snap-l | Does it support USB3? | 19:23 |
| rick_h_ | "hmm, don't trust the synology to grow the FS after swapping the disks so need to copy to usb. Only disks I have big enough are the new 3TB ones | 19:23 |
| rick_h_ | so stuck one in the external carrier, backup | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | then take the second and swap one disk in the NAS | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | but then I need to pull out the 'backup' and replace the second one in the NAS leaving me backup-less | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | no, no usb3. I got the cheap low end model sans esata and usb3 | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | but it's lower powered atom and such so swapped out for the 99% use case | 19:24 |
| snap-l | Wish Unheilig albums were available in this country. Apparently only Puppenspeil is the only one | 19:35 |
| snap-l | (Think Rammstein with more classical influence, and more "soul") | 19:37 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, backup state "verifying destination size" for 25min | 20:16 |
| jrwren_ | what time is CHC on Wednesday? how late do you usually code? | 20:19 |
| jrwren_ | i have Unheilig discgo | 20:20 |
| jrwren_ | discog rather. | 20:20 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: Best not bring it to CHC. ;) | 20:20 |
| snap-l | I might have to roll you for it. :) | 20:20 |
| snap-l | CHC starts at 8pm this week | 20:21 |
| snap-l | next week it's 7pm | 20:21 |
| snap-l | lasts until 10pm | 20:21 |
| jrwren_ | i don't have it on CD, only mp3 | 20:21 |
| snap-l | Ah | 20:21 |
| snap-l | I have the Puppenspeil CD | 20:21 |
| snap-l | Was trying to go legit on some old MP3s that my friend sent me | 20:21 |
| snap-l | but that's nigh impossible | 20:22 |
| jrwren_ | yay. i can make both events... the drivig part will suck, but I'll do both, because, why not :) | 20:22 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: Awesome! | 20:23 |
| rick_h_ | woot | 20:23 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: smoser long CHC wed 7pm 3hr edition | 20:23 |
| snap-l | next week | 20:24 |
| smoser | rick_h_, thanks for the invite. i dont think i will make it, but i do appreciate the reminder. | 20:24 |
| snap-l | I want to like Duplicity, but sheesh it's a bit of a pig when it comes to backups | 20:25 |
| rick_h_ | lol "1d 5hr remaining" | 21:10 |
| greg-g | :) | 21:10 |
| greg-g | snap-l: obnam! | 21:11 |
| snap-l | Evening | 23:42 |
| rick_h_ | evening | 23:43 |
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