[00:37] <snap-l> Ugh, computers are no fun
[00:37] <snap-l> Had all sorts of fun with a NVidia card at my parents place
[00:38] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[00:38] <snap-l> Finally decided to say fuck it and get an AMD card
[00:38] <rick_h_> :/
[00:38] <snap-l> Rather than figure out which of the 5 different driver variations might be the one to make it not crashy
[00:38] <rick_h_> and that worked? Everyone is telling me nvidia ftw
[00:38] <snap-l> I have an AMD card in this machine
[00:38] <snap-l> orered another one
[00:40] <snap-l> I'm sure it's great if you have the Geforce uber-fucktard 1e+48 version, but trying to figure out what magic incantation makes the GeForce 7500LE not shit itself is not my idea of an evening well spent.
[00:44] <Blazeix> i think you have a reasonably modern card, you won't have trouble with nvidia
[00:44] <snap-l> Yeah, that's just it. This card is not modern by any stretch of the imagination
[00:44] <Blazeix> "reasonably modern" means less than 5 or 6 years. ish
[00:45] <snap-l> It's a shit OEM card
[00:45] <Blazeix> just reassuring rick_h_ that he shouldn't think twice about buying a nice nvidia card :)
[00:45] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_7_Series#GeForce_7500_LE_.28OEM.29
[00:50] <rick_h_> hmm, yea the ones from system76 aren't on there at all
[00:51] <brousch> intel ftw
[00:52] <snap-l> Intel FTNoperformance
[00:53] <rick_h_> tiles fine here :P
[00:53] <rick_h_> but yea, going to get the  GTX 660
[00:55] <rick_h_> http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_family.html wtf, how many models can one product need?
[00:55] <rick_h_> I mean, even MS is looking at that list going w..t..f
[00:56] <rick_h_> I did want an AMD card at one point when I found one that would do triple head
[00:56] <snap-l> Well, this one is for the desktop series, and this one is for the laptop series,
[00:57] <snap-l> and this one is for the OEM Inuit PC builders.
[00:58] <rick_h_> hmm, so if I get a second one I can do 3 displays?
[00:58] <snap-l> I'm not sure how that works
[00:59] <rick_h_> gah, a 680?
[01:02] <rick_h_> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/394157-33-will-support-monitors nvm woot!
[01:03] <snap-l> Yeah, but will Linux support it?
[01:03] <rick_h_> up to the nvidia driver I guess. I know awesome can handle it
[01:04] <rick_h_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/21144/how-do-i-get-three-monitors-working
[01:04] <rick_h_> that's for 2011
[01:04] <rick_h_> so hopefully still works in today's world
[01:07] <rick_h_> here we go, closer http://superuser.com/questions/476012/linux-nvidia-surround-3-monitors
[01:15] <snap-l> I'm about ready to decapitate something
[01:16] <brousch> beers are in the fridge
[01:16] <snap-l> Fucking Banshee is locking up
[01:16] <snap-l> trying to import disks
[02:19] <derekv> some chance of new kinesis ergo in 2013 http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36195.msg861000#msg861000
[02:29] <rick_h_> cool, have cornice hooked up with redis and an api for getting/setting/removing config values.
[02:29] <rick_h_> not sold on the error'ing methodology but still cool
[02:31] <derekv> i spent all day looking at mountain bikes online.
[02:31] <rick_h_> woot!
[02:31] <rick_h_> anything good?
[02:33] <rick_h_> ooooh, I like this error a lot better
[02:39] <Blazeix> rick_h_: nice. so cornice adds rest specification stuff (content-type, verbs, etc) to pyramid?
[02:42] <derekv> yea I went to order brake replacements/upgrades for my old mtb but became uncertain because the front fork mount is nonstandard
[02:45] <derekv> then started looking into new ones and fell in love with one ... but its cheap and there's not like anywhere around here i can just ride
[02:45] <derekv> er ride one
[02:46] <derekv> also trying to figure out a new video card
[02:48] <rick_h_> Blazeix yea and csn tie into shpinx for generating api docs and the like.
[02:49] <Blazeix> cool
[03:08] <derekv> oh new dr episode
[03:17] <rick_h_> Blazeix: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/945/ is kind of how it's working/code. Didn't want to push yet as it's a local mess as I just tinkered with cornice POC
[05:25] <derekv> amazon down
[11:59] <snap-l> GOod morning
[13:13] <snap-l> I hate it when I accidentally hit something on my headphones, and suddenly my headphone explode into stereo because of a bad connection
[13:14] <snap-l> Was blaming something in the audio chain (Squeezebox resamplling or something like that).
[13:35] <jrwren_> igt tat etitrom static electricitinnthephones to sceand sodetecting change in
[13:35] <jrwren_> wow. kb wtf.
[13:36] <rick_h_> lol, time to change the batteries
[13:36] <jrwren_> i get that sometimes from static electricity in the headphone to source and source detecting a change
[13:36] <jrwren_> this was direct on laptop kb.
[13:36] <jrwren_> really strange. MAC
[13:36] <jrwren_> i hate mac
[13:47] <brousch> I have several rows from the same table I need to update in my web application. What strategy should I use for uniquely identifying form fields so each row's fields can be distinguished from each other?
[13:48] <brousch> Add a -uid to the end of each field?
[13:49] <brousch> That seems ugly and annoying
[13:49] <rick_h_> how's the form submitted? JS or normal http post?
[13:50] <brousch> post
[13:50] <rick_h_> brousch: and it's all one form you submit at once right?
[13:50] <brousch> yeah
[13:51] <rick_h_> then yea, you have to adjust the field names to match some index/id
[13:52] <brousch> Then I have to manually parse it all on the server?
[13:52] <brousch> Seems so hackish
[13:52] <rick_h_> yep, welcome to the limitations of http
[13:53] <rick_h_> if you did it in JS, you could data-id="xx" and parse the fields, json the data, and send a single call with the data nice and objectified
[14:25] <snap-l> brousch: You shouldn't be updating table data on a page anyway. That's what Excel is for
[14:25] <brousch> :P
[14:26] <snap-l> Right tool, right job
[14:26] <brousch> This is much nastier than I thought it would be
[14:27] <snap-l> Hm, it's take our offspring to work day on the 25th
[14:27] <snap-l> Wonder if I could bring my cat to work?
[14:28] <jjesse> is your cat your offspring?  if so that is weird and then acceptable
[14:28] <snap-l> jjesse: She's my little fur-baby.
[14:28] <snap-l> (and no, I can't type that with a straight face)
[14:40] <jjesse> lol
[14:44] <snap-l> So, who else is gonna pour a forty for Earth day?
[14:51] <jjesse> i filled my car up with gas today in support of earth day
[14:52] <snap-l> I'm gonna turn off the lights and read a book via my Nook.
[14:52] <snap-l> because i like to miss the point. :)
[15:19] <greg-g> I haz almost complete standing desk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/grggrssmr/8672540524/in/photostream
[15:30] <snap-l> Cool setup, but lose the keyboard. :)
[15:31] <snap-l> Also, the M310 is my favorite mouse. :)
[15:31] <snap-l> Cheap, but feels awesome
[15:54] <greg-g> what's wrong with the keyboard?!
[15:55] <snap-l> I can't handle those keyboards. They do bad things to my brain
[16:28] <brousch> OMG I think I've been fighting a bug in Chrome's inspect element tools
[16:28] <brousch> Pulling my hair out
[16:29] <brousch> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101667/snapshot21.png
[16:29] <brousch> You can see the value in the highlighted input is 2, but in the inspector it says value="1"
[16:56] <snap-l> I see the problem
[16:56] <snap-l> You're using KDE
[16:56] <snap-l> Does weird things to the brain, that KDE.
[16:57] <snap-l> Also, did that start off life as 1 and then get changed to 2?
[16:58] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_: Quick question:  what is Bookie using for full text search?
[17:10] <brousch> yes
[17:10] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: whoosh
[17:11] <devinheitmueller> Ah, cool.  Thanks.
[17:11] <greg-g> rick_h_: how do you like working with it?
[17:11] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: work project is elasticsearch.
[17:11] <greg-g> rick_h_: Chris Webber (the Mediagoblin guy) is looking for a search solution
[17:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: <3 it. Pure python. Works for scale of around 30k or so web pages.
[17:12] <devinheitmueller> Given the extremely small dataset I'm dealing with (a few thousand records), Whoosh is probably more than sufficient for me.
[17:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: but since it's file based it's disk limited, hard to sync and scale out.
[17:13] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: yea, for small stuff that doesn't need to HA it's awesome and allows for a lot of fine tune'd fulltext tweaking for folks that know what they want
[17:13] <rick_h_> much nicer than trying to sync diffs in sqlite/mysql/pgsql fulltext
[17:13] <devinheitmueller> Nice.
[17:13] <rick_h_> to match whatever db you feel like using with the ORM
[17:14] <devinheitmueller> I've got a fairly small static dataset, so I don't really care that much how efficient it is.
[17:14] <greg-g> cool
[17:14] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: cool, yea then pure python ftw
[17:14] <devinheitmueller> Basically just trying to build a search engine around a Q/A session:  http://drugfactsweek.drugabuse.gov/chat/2011/index.php
[17:14] <rick_h_> cool
[17:16] <brousch> The big guys use solr
[17:16] <greg-g> we use lucene/solr at Wikimedia
[17:16] <snap-l> Wow, Vim is amazing
[17:16] <snap-l> http://vimcasts.org/episodes/supercharged-substitution-with-subvert/
[18:14] <rick_h_> man, scary I've got a pair fo 3TB drives and that was because I didn't want to spend the $$ for 4TB :/
[18:14] <rick_h_> time to test the syology upgrade process
[18:15] <snap-l> rick_h_: I can't fathom having 4TB on a drive
[18:15] <snap-l> Scared me enough to have 1TB of data in one location.
[18:16] <snap-l> Of course that also held true for 1GB drives. :)
[18:17] <greg-g> btrfs raid ftw
[18:18] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, well it'll be 3TB mirror raid on the NAS
[18:18] <rick_h_> snap-l: but still. Crazy. I've got backups of laptops long gone I just keep
[18:18] <greg-g> :)
[18:18] <rick_h_> because it's more work to go through and see if there's anything I need to hold onto vs just rsync'ing /home /etc /var each time I do a new install
[18:19] <snap-l> WHen copying over my parents' machine (heir 340GB drive) I realized there were several copies of the same damn files
[18:19] <snap-l> and a copy of files from their old 486 machine
[18:20] <snap-l> And you're right; it's cheaper to just copy the damn stuff forward than to actually go through and prune
[18:21] <snap-l> WOnder if in the future we'll stop using magnetic media, and just have optical media that is Write Once, Read Many
[18:21] <snap-l> because the media will be so cheap, and there's no worry of it degrading
[18:24] <rick_h_> heh, anyone need any 500GB drives? Pulling out 2TB ones to put in the desktop and 3TB going in. 500GB seems so...quaint now
[18:25] <rick_h_> actually have a desktop I need to make disappear shortly.
[18:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: What CPU?
[18:26] <rick_h_> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         E8400  @ 3.00GHz
[18:27] <rick_h_> 8GB ram
[18:30] <snap-l> Respectable.
[18:31] <greg-g> definitely no where near not respectable ;)
[18:31] <snap-l> Well, it's a dual core machine.
[18:32] <rick_h_> yea, it's a custom built then I put together years ago to be a file server
[18:32] <rick_h_> and was running my jenkins builds of bookie, been headless, etc
[18:32] <rick_h_> basically been turned off for a long time since I got tired of sync'ing/etc as my laptop is more powerful
[18:33] <snap-l> Hm, we need to have it do something useful again
[18:34] <rick_h_> yea, like fly away and not take up space. :)
[18:34] <snap-l> heh
[18:34] <rick_h_> hmm, formatting 3tb seems like it's giong to take a while
[18:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: Ya think?
[18:34]  * rick_h_ wants to start backup!
[18:35] <jrwren_> this looks sweet: https://github.com/bulletproofnetworks/ript
[18:35] <jrwren_> rick_h_: can I have your old drives?
[18:36] <rick_h_> jrwren_: cool
[18:36] <jrwren_> i cut a SATA cable to fit ESATA based on snap-l conversation last week but I have no working SATA drives with which to test :)
[18:36] <rick_h_> jrwren_: no, going to take my old 2tb ones and put them in the desktop when I get it
[18:36] <rick_h_> jrwren_: oh, I've got some spare 500GB sata ones if you need
[18:37] <jrwren_> i'll take 2 if you got 'em :)
[18:37] <jrwren_> CHC on Wednesday? :)
[18:37] <rick_h_> jrwren_: have to get an esata enclosure though
[18:37] <snap-l> jrwren_: That means you'll need to come into Oakland County
[18:37] <jrwren_> snap-l: for a pair of 500GB drives, I'll come into Oakland Co :)
[18:38] <snap-l> Hypocrite. ;)
[18:38] <jrwren_> rick_h_: part of the test was trying to run drives without an esata enclosure.
[18:38] <jrwren_> snap-l: you know it ;)
[18:38] <rick_h_> jrwren_: jrwren_ ah, got it
[18:38] <snap-l> Speaking of coming into Oakland County, any of you coming to Penguicon?
[18:39] <jrwren_> uncertain
[18:41] <snap-l> It's this weekend, in case you were procrastinating. ;)
[18:42] <rick_h_> jrwren_: ok, so yea. I've got 3 of them, and one 500GB IDE drive
[18:42] <jrwren_> Steve Andre', Marcus Watts - openbsd. every year. kudos to them for doing it every year.
[18:43] <jrwren_> rick_h_: they are all 500? I'll take 'em. I can put 'em to use.
[18:43] <rick_h_> jrwren_: cool. I've got to pull two out of the desktop. They're not plugged in. I didn't bother re-resetting up the raid5 when I did the last ubuntu install on there
[18:44] <snap-l> Good thing they're not 500MB. You'd be hard pressed to put them to use. :)
[18:44] <jrwren_> True!
[18:44] <jrwren_> i remember dropping a lot of coin (for me at the time) on a 500MB drive back in '95
[18:44] <jrwren_> maybe it was '96
[18:45] <snap-l> I remember dropping a lot of coin for a 60MB drive and a SCSI enclosure (along with a SCSI interface for my Atari 800XL)
[18:45] <snap-l> s/60/40/
[18:45] <jrwren_> holy crap? seriously?
[18:46] <snap-l> Yep
[18:46] <jrwren_> i only had cassette tape for my 800XL
[18:46] <jrwren_> i didn't even know you could get HD for them
[18:46] <snap-l> Yeah, and they had some strange partitioning system where you could map any of the partitions as a floppy disk
[18:47] <snap-l> It was a third-party mod
[18:47] <jrwren_> how was it managed?
[18:47] <jrwren_> it didn't exactly have a filesystem.
[18:48] <jrwren_> manual partition management? I guess I could see that.
[18:48] <snap-l> Yeah, you basically mapped each parition to a drive letter
[18:48] <snap-l> using some special OS drivers.
[18:48] <jrwren_> drive letters?
[18:48] <snap-l> D1, D2, ... D8
[18:48] <jrwren_> are you thikning of ST instead of 800XL?
[18:48] <jrwren_> huh, cool.
[18:49] <snap-l> D8 was usually a RAMDisk
[18:49] <jrwren_> hahaha, from teh 64KB of RAM ?
[18:49] <snap-l> Nope, I don't have a ST machine
[18:49] <rick_h_> still formatting...
[18:49] <snap-l> It as more useful on the 130XE
[18:49] <snap-l> since you could only address 64K at a time
[18:50] <snap-l> They used bank-switching to access the upper 64K, so it made sense to use that as a ram disk
[18:50] <snap-l> since no programs were likely to use it
[18:50] <snap-l> jrwren_: I'll have to show you the hardware. It was really cool.
[18:51] <snap-l> It was the CSS Black Box
[18:51] <jrwren_> makes sense
[18:51] <snap-l> http://www.nleaudio.com/css/products/black.htm
[18:52] <rick_h_> lol, pulled the old HP mini down from the rack.
[18:53] <snap-l> decommissioned?
[18:53] <rick_h_> well it was still on
[18:53] <rick_h_> but yea, it's sitting on top of the NAS and not doing anything. Time for a office re-org
[18:53] <rick_h_> pulling down my old broadvoice voip box off the rack
[18:54] <snap-l> End of an era
[18:54] <rick_h_> so sad to have all this old working computer gear but it's just worthless.
[18:54] <rick_h_> no one wants an old slow netbook
[18:54] <rick_h_> my Nexus10 with the BT keyboard is a TON nicer to use than this thing
[18:54] <snap-l> Yeah, we still have the ASUS netbook
[18:55] <snap-l> It's sitting on a shelf
[18:55] <jrwren_> might as well be a 486 ;)
[18:55] <rick_h_> atom with 1GB of ram
[18:56] <snap-l> That's the funny thing
[18:56] <snap-l> I have no problem keeping an Atari machine long past it's prime
[18:56] <snap-l> but if it's Intel based, I'll recycle that things ass in a heartbeat.
[18:56] <rick_h_> keeping up an old computer is overhead. It's more maint. to sync up your config/settings. Tracking what's on it. manage the ip addresses/services. Backup data
[18:56] <snap-l> (That said, I'm all about getting every last MIP out of the Intel hardware)
[18:57] <rick_h_> I started to keep the pypi mirror on there thinking it's low power/etc
[18:57] <rick_h_> but dealing with it being on the internal network and when I'm home/away/offline
[18:57] <rick_h_> ended up just loading it up locally instead
[18:57] <snap-l> Yeah
[18:57] <snap-l> though SSH tunnels are your friend
[19:22] <rick_h_> format is done, backup time!
[19:22]  * rick_h_ does some match. 1.2TB at USB2 wheeee
[19:22] <rick_h_> /match/math
[19:22] <snap-l> No fun
[19:23] <rick_h_> it's ok. I realized there's a flaw in my plan. So I ahve to wait for another disk to arrive wed before I can complete this
[19:23] <snap-l> Heh
[19:23] <snap-l> Does it support USB3?
[19:23] <rick_h_> "hmm, don't trust the synology to grow the FS after swapping the disks so need to copy to usb. Only disks I have big enough are the new 3TB ones
[19:24] <rick_h_> so stuck one in the external carrier, backup
[19:24] <rick_h_> then take the second and swap one disk in the NAS
[19:24] <rick_h_> but then I need to pull out the 'backup' and replace the second one in the NAS leaving me backup-less
[19:24] <rick_h_> no, no usb3. I got the cheap low end model sans esata and usb3
[19:24] <rick_h_> but it's lower powered atom and such so swapped out for the 99% use case
[19:35] <snap-l> Wish Unheilig albums were available in this country. Apparently only Puppenspeil is the only one
[19:37] <snap-l> (Think Rammstein with more classical influence, and more "soul")
[20:16] <rick_h_> hmm, backup state "verifying destination size" for 25min
[20:19] <jrwren_> what time is CHC on Wednesday? how late do you usually code?
[20:20] <jrwren_> i have Unheilig discgo
[20:20] <jrwren_> discog rather.
[20:20] <snap-l> jrwren_: Best not bring it to CHC. ;)
[20:20] <snap-l> I might have to roll you for it. :)
[20:21] <snap-l> CHC starts at 8pm this week
[20:21] <snap-l> next week it's 7pm
[20:21] <snap-l> lasts until 10pm
[20:21] <jrwren_> i don't have it on CD, only mp3
[20:21] <snap-l> Ah
[20:21] <snap-l> I have the Puppenspeil CD
[20:21] <snap-l> Was trying to go legit on some old MP3s that my friend sent me
[20:22] <snap-l> but that's nigh impossible
[20:22] <jrwren_> yay. i can make both events... the drivig part will suck, but I'll do both, because, why not :)
[20:23] <snap-l> jrwren_: Awesome!
[20:23] <rick_h_> woot
[20:23] <rick_h_> jcastro: smoser long CHC wed 7pm 3hr edition
[20:24] <snap-l> next week
[20:24] <smoser> rick_h_, thanks for the invite. i dont think i will make it, but i do appreciate the reminder.
[20:25] <snap-l> I want to like Duplicity, but sheesh it's a bit of a pig when it comes to backups
[21:10] <rick_h_> lol "1d 5hr remaining"
[21:10] <greg-g> :)
[21:11] <greg-g> snap-l: obnam!
[23:42] <snap-l> Evening
[23:43] <rick_h_> evening