=== daim2k5_Zzz is now known as daim2k5 === daim2k5 is now known as daim2k5_Zzz [12:47] so in theory this saturday its release date correct? [12:48] its there any schedule for us to follow, and by us i mean xubuntu, so i might bother some people to do iso testings etc [13:44] GridCube: thursday, no? [13:47] april 25th, its thursday correct, i read 27 and got confused, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule [14:39] hello everyone [14:40] :) hi luke_ [14:41] as i said you earlier, if you want to help, at this moment what we need the most its iso testings http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/ [14:42] alright thanks GridCude! [14:42] appreciate your help [14:43] :) [14:44] after this week everyone will have lots of free time and there will be more time for helping newcommers :) [14:44] ok great [14:44] what team are you from? [14:44] luckly we got some people interested in the last few weeks, we hope they stick around [14:45] im xubuntu, user support mostly, and some testings, but not lately :( sadly [14:45] how come? [14:46] my internets are not very helpful, very low rates adn my work its worse, so i cant get the isos [14:46] luke_, :) https://launchpad.net/~gridcube you can see my badges here [14:47] awesome === daim2k5_Zzz is now known as daim2k5 === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U [19:56] do you think that c++ programmer with a little experience can be helpful in the xubuntu? [19:56] welcome here as well :) [19:57] all channels lead to the same place :p [19:57] anyone willing to hel pis helpful [19:57] they do, they do [19:57] *help is [19:59] micom, definitely! and there are other contributors here as well :) [20:00] ok lets say that i have a IDE, g++ and etc, what's in your opinion best way to get into xubuntu's development? [20:01] usually the best way is to start with a bug [20:01] micom, fixing bugs that scratch your own itch is a very good way to start [20:09] micom, get a basic knowledge of python first. i did it in about a day, and learn as you go [20:10] micom, xfce is written in C... :) [20:11] :( [20:12] knome, one other thing to add to our list for next cycle: make the release notes link point to xubuntu.org rather than ubuntu.com [20:13] micom, have a look on bugs.launchpad.net, see what you can fix. C and python are the main languages. also, testing or translations could be a way to help [20:14] Noskcaj, does other flavors do that either? we still share most of the release notes with ubuntu, so i'm not even sure if that's ideal [20:14] knome, have a look at bug 1065789, it happened for all of this cycle and most of q cycle [20:14] bug 1065789 in ubuntu-website-content "the release notes link in installer points to www.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065789 [20:15] kubuntu goes to kubuntu.org/news, xubuntu an ubuntu go ubuntu.com, i forget what lubuntu does [20:15] Noskcaj, as long as they point to the general release notes, i don't consider that a huge bug [20:16] understandable [20:17] if we wanted it to point to xubuntu.org, we'd have to create our own release notes page [20:17] from that, we probably want to link to the main ubuntu notes as well, so i don't know if that's a shortcut or a detour (xubuntu-specific notes *are [20:17] * in the general page as well) [20:17] brb === daim2k5 is now known as daim2k5_Zzz [20:43] Not that it matters much, but as it stands now (or maybe a couple days ago?) http://unit193.ninth.su/xubuntu/quantal-to-raring.txt this is from unbooted live CDs. [21:32] is everyone running iso tests? if not, please start. [21:32] or fixing bugs, that works too [21:33] Unit193, umph. we'll need to fix that for S [21:33] Well hey, may actually be more useful than I thought. [21:33] the 3.8.0 series kernels do not like my desktop :/ [21:34] whenever they upload a new one, my system refuses to boot the first time, then proceeds without problems on the second time [21:34] .2 was very good, later hasn't worked yet. [21:34] (after a hard boot, that is) [21:35] staying with 12.10 on the laptop for some more [21:37] I may only be able to upgrade one or two. [21:38] i was about to upgrade my wife's [21:38] then i realized it's a precise system [21:39] so going to do the wacko LTS jump [21:41] need to upgrade mum's when we get there the next time [21:41] i'm pretty sure she's running Q [21:42] live on the edge and upgrade her remotely ;) [21:42] hmm... [21:42] ;) [21:42] that's not completely out of question [21:43] I've done several over SSH, worked pretty well. [21:43] i've done some less wanted commands over SSH too :) [21:44] resulting in questions like "where IS that server even (physically)?" [21:44] as long as it comes back on after reboot, it's probably fine/fixable :) [21:44] hehe [21:44] Or sometimes you have to wait half a week or longer to fix your goof... Been there. [21:45] yeah. probably better do the upgrade when i'm around and also AFTER RELEASE ;) [21:45] (moral right to point fingers at others!) [21:45] cant wait for 13.04 stable [21:46] only a few days [21:46] He said stable, not relese. [21:46] lol [21:46] yeah. [21:46] only a few months [21:47] knome are you a team leader? [21:47] mac_, yeah, the xubuntu team/project leader [21:48] how would i get involved with QA? [21:48] mac_, the best way to get started is doing the ISO tests [21:49] mac_, this article: http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/ describes testing pretty well generally [21:49] what about code testing like writing units test etc. ? [21:49] mac_, you want to get involved in QA? [21:50] mac_, the first thing with that would be to do some planning/investigating work where xubuntu can benefit from it [21:50] ok fair enough [21:50] mac_, some of that is probably best cooperated with the xfce team, but some of it is naturally xubuntu-specific too (and it doesn't hurt to run more tests in xubuntu as well, naturally) [21:51] mac_, you might want to talk to our developers (micahg, mr_pouit, bluesabre) who could possibly point you to specific things on unit testing [21:51] mac_, Main things for QA team: ISO tests (easy), Autopilot (nothing fox xubuntu, but a version for post-install would be good) and just running a devel version of something and looking for bugs [21:52] who is incharge of the QA team? [21:53] Noskcaj is running the calling errands at the moment [21:53] mac_, for Xubuntu, i'm trialling [21:53] mac_, come onto #ubuntu-quality. that's were the team is [21:54] well, both here and there; #ubuntu-quality is for the ubuntu wide QA cooperation [21:54] xubuntu-specific issues are best discussed here where the xubuntu people hang out [21:54] i'd imagine -quality have more pointers on automated testing [22:19] pleia2: have fun! [22:19] :) [22:19] pleia2, enjoy. [22:19] thanks everyone [22:49] micahg, can you look at http://unit193.ninth.su/xubuntu/quantal-to-raring.txt someday before release if possible and see if there's some obviously unwanted packages, and get rid of them in our seed? :) [22:52] (Added a couple more comments, some of those are clearly needed changes.) [22:53] what's the story of zeitgeist? [22:53] is xubuntu really benefitting from it? [22:56] looks like spyware to me [22:56] I don't know the database well, but what's in mine was from UbuntuOne before I purged it. [22:57] i'll add investigating that to the todo-list for S [22:57] Since we don't ship U1, I don't *personally* see anything using it, but I don't have all the shipped applications any more. [22:58] (unless micahg deems it unnecessary before R release and drops it) [22:58] is it not taking any resources then? [22:58] i doubt that [22:58] we should look in our seed anyway, not because of space or resources, just not to ship something utterly useless :) [22:59] (but for space and resources too) [23:01] I don't have it running it would appear, and now I've purged the last of it. [23:01] i seem to have it running [23:05] bluesabre, how badly catfish needs zeitgeist? what's their connection? [23:39] I had almost forgotten this merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~skellat/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.raring/+merge/155753 [23:40] uuugh. [23:40] me too. [23:40] Probably needs killing this late in the game [23:40] tbe, i had forgotten [23:41] i'd say let's do that and other small things in S [23:41] though meh, we changed the docs [23:41] micahg, when you look at Unit193's link, see the merge request 155753 too [23:42] i'd consider that low-mediumish [23:42] even more so because R only has 9 months of support, and we're more rolling now [23:43] we can probably let ourselves a bit easier with things like this on the interim releases in the future [23:43] How about disapprove it now and we'll consider it in the S cycle then? [23:43] if we can get it in, it's fine [23:43] Okay [23:43] if not, then it'll automatically be postponed [23:44] There were supposed to be re-spins tonight. I don't know if the crew in -release started yet, though. [23:44] this doesn't affect any image really [23:44] it's just a matter if micahg has time before the release and if it's considered something that can pass through [23:46] if not.. then let it be [23:46] Alrighty [23:46] a bit different from "oops, we forgot to upload the new wallpaper" :P [23:47] :-) Been there, done that, got the IRC logs for it [23:48] that still wasn't as crazy as the "we know it's after UIF... but can we change our logo?" in 12.04 :D [23:55] knome: /eval.txt too now.