[12:47] <GridCube> so in theory this saturday its release date correct?
[12:48] <GridCube> its there any schedule for us to follow, and by us i mean xubuntu, so i might bother some people to do iso testings etc
[13:44] <maddernick> GridCube: thursday, no?
[13:47] <GridCube> april 25th, its thursday correct, i read 27 and got confused, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[14:39] <luke_> hello everyone
[14:40] <GridCube> :) hi luke_ 
[14:41] <GridCube> as i said you earlier, if you want to help, at this moment what we need the most its iso testings http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/
[14:42] <luke_> alright thanks GridCude!
[14:42] <luke_> appreciate your help
[14:43] <GridCube> :)
[14:44] <GridCube> after this week everyone will have lots of free time and there will be more time for helping newcommers :)
[14:44] <luke_> ok great
[14:44] <luke_> what team are you from?
[14:44] <GridCube> luckly we got some people interested in the last few weeks, we hope they stick around 
[14:45] <GridCube> im xubuntu, user support mostly, and some testings, but not lately :( sadly
[14:45] <luke_> how come?
[14:46] <GridCube> my internets are not very helpful, very low rates adn my work its worse, so i cant get the isos
[14:46] <GridCube> luke_, :) https://launchpad.net/~gridcube you can see my badges here 
[14:47] <luke_> awesome
[19:56] <micom> do you think that c++ programmer with a little experience can be helpful in the xubuntu?
[19:56] <knome> welcome here as well :)
[19:57] <elfy> all channels lead to the same place :p
[19:57] <Noskcaj> anyone willing to hel pis helpful
[19:57] <knome> they do, they do
[19:57] <Noskcaj> *help is
[19:59] <knome> micom, definitely! and there are other contributors here as well :)
[20:00] <micom> ok lets say that i have a IDE, g++ and etc, what's in your opinion best way to get into xubuntu's development?
[20:01] <ochosi> usually the best way is to start with a bug
[20:01] <knome> micom, fixing bugs that scratch your own itch is a very good way to start
[20:09] <Noskcaj> micom, get a basic knowledge of python first. i did it in about a day, and learn as you go
[20:10] <knome> micom, xfce is written in C... :)
[20:11] <micom> :(
[20:12] <Noskcaj> knome, one other thing to add to our list for next cycle: make the release notes link point to xubuntu.org rather than ubuntu.com
[20:13] <Noskcaj> micom, have a look on bugs.launchpad.net, see what you can fix. C and python are the main languages. also, testing or translations could be a way to help
[20:14] <knome> Noskcaj, does other flavors do that either? we still share most of the release notes with ubuntu, so i'm not even sure if that's ideal
[20:14] <Noskcaj> knome, have a look at bug 1065789, it happened for all of this cycle and most of q cycle
[20:15] <Noskcaj> kubuntu goes to kubuntu.org/news, xubuntu an ubuntu go ubuntu.com, i forget what lubuntu does
[20:15] <knome> Noskcaj, as long as they point to the general release notes, i don't consider that a huge bug
[20:16] <Noskcaj> understandable
[20:17] <knome> if we wanted it to point to xubuntu.org, we'd have to create our own release notes page
[20:17] <knome> from that, we probably want to link to the main ubuntu notes as well, so i don't know if that's a shortcut or a detour (xubuntu-specific notes *are 
[20:17] <knome> * in the general page as well)
[20:17] <knome> brb
[20:43] <Unit193> Not that it matters much, but as it stands now (or maybe a couple days ago?) http://unit193.ninth.su/xubuntu/quantal-to-raring.txt  this is from unbooted live CDs.
[21:32] <Noskcaj> is everyone running iso tests? if not, please start.
[21:32] <Noskcaj> or fixing bugs, that works too
[21:33] <knome> Unit193, umph. we'll need to fix that for S
[21:33] <Unit193> Well hey, may actually be more useful than I thought.
[21:33] <knome> the 3.8.0 series kernels do not like my desktop :/
[21:34] <knome> whenever they upload a new one, my system refuses to boot the first time, then proceeds without problems on the second time
[21:34] <Unit193> .2 was very good, later hasn't worked yet.
[21:34] <knome> (after a hard boot, that is)
[21:35] <knome> staying with 12.10 on the laptop for some more
[21:37] <Unit193> I may only be able to upgrade one or two.
[21:38] <knome> i was about to upgrade my wife's
[21:38] <knome> then i realized it's a precise system
[21:39] <knome> so going to do the wacko LTS jump
[21:41] <knome> need to upgrade mum's when we get there the next time
[21:41] <knome> i'm pretty sure she's running Q
[21:42] <ochosi> live on the edge and upgrade her remotely ;)
[21:42] <knome> hmm...
[21:42] <knome> ;)
[21:42] <knome> that's not completely out of question
[21:43] <Unit193> I've done several over SSH, worked pretty well.
[21:43] <knome> i've done some less wanted commands over SSH too :)
[21:44] <knome> resulting in questions like "where IS that server even (physically)?"
[21:44] <ochosi> as long as it comes back on after reboot, it's probably fine/fixable :)
[21:44] <knome> hehe
[21:44] <Unit193> Or sometimes you have to wait half a week or longer to fix your goof... Been there.
[21:45] <knome> yeah. probably better do the upgrade when i'm around and also AFTER RELEASE ;)
[21:45] <knome> (moral right to point fingers at others!)
[21:45] <mac_> cant wait for 13.04 stable
[21:46] <knome> only a few days
[21:46] <Unit193> He said stable, not relese.
[21:46] <knome> lol
[21:46] <knome> yeah.
[21:46] <knome> only a few months
[21:47] <mac_> knome are you a team leader?
[21:47] <knome> mac_, yeah, the xubuntu team/project leader
[21:48] <mac_> how would i get involved with QA?
[21:48] <knome> mac_, the best way to get started is doing the ISO tests
[21:49] <knome> mac_, this article: http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/ describes testing pretty well generally
[21:49] <mac_> what about code testing like writing units test etc. ?
[21:49] <Noskcaj> mac_, you want to get involved in QA?
[21:50] <knome> mac_, the first thing with that would be to do some planning/investigating work where xubuntu can benefit from it
[21:50] <mac_> ok fair enough
[21:50] <knome> mac_, some of that is probably best cooperated with the xfce team, but some of it is naturally xubuntu-specific too (and it doesn't hurt to run more tests in xubuntu as well, naturally)
[21:51] <knome> mac_, you might want to talk to our developers (micahg, mr_pouit, bluesabre) who could possibly point you to specific things on unit testing
[21:51] <Noskcaj> mac_, Main things for QA team: ISO tests (easy), Autopilot (nothing fox xubuntu, but a version for post-install would be good) and just running a devel version of something and looking for bugs
[21:52] <mac_> who is incharge of the QA team?
[21:53] <knome> Noskcaj is running the calling errands at the moment
[21:53] <Noskcaj> mac_, for Xubuntu, i'm trialling
[21:53] <Noskcaj> mac_, come onto #ubuntu-quality. that's were the team is
[21:54] <knome> well, both here and there; #ubuntu-quality is for the ubuntu wide QA cooperation
[21:54] <knome> xubuntu-specific issues are best discussed here where the xubuntu people hang out
[21:54] <knome> i'd imagine -quality have more pointers on automated testing
[22:19] <ochosi> pleia2: have fun!
[22:19] <pleia2> :)
[22:19] <Noskcaj> pleia2, enjoy. 
[22:19] <pleia2> thanks everyone
[22:49] <knome> micahg, can you look at http://unit193.ninth.su/xubuntu/quantal-to-raring.txt someday before release if possible and see if there's some obviously unwanted packages, and get rid of them in our seed? :)
[22:52] <Unit193> (Added a couple more comments, some of those are clearly needed changes.)
[22:53] <knome> what's the story of zeitgeist?
[22:53] <knome> is xubuntu really benefitting from it?
[22:56] <mac_> looks like spyware to me
[22:56] <Unit193> I don't know the database well, but what's in mine was from UbuntuOne before I purged it.
[22:57] <knome> i'll add investigating that to the todo-list for S
[22:57] <Unit193> Since we don't ship U1, I don't *personally* see anything using it, but I don't have all the shipped applications any more.
[22:58] <knome> (unless micahg deems it unnecessary before R release and drops it)
[22:58] <knome> is it not taking any resources then?
[22:58] <knome> i doubt that
[22:58] <knome> we should look in our seed anyway, not because of space or resources, just not to ship something utterly useless :)
[22:59] <knome> (but for space and resources too)
[23:01] <Unit193> I don't have it running it would appear, and now I've purged the last of it.
[23:01] <knome> i seem to have it running
[23:05] <knome> bluesabre, how badly catfish needs zeitgeist? what's their connection?
[23:39] <skellat> I had almost forgotten this merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~skellat/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.raring/+merge/155753
[23:40] <knome> uuugh.
[23:40] <knome> me too.
[23:40] <skellat> Probably needs killing this late in the game
[23:40] <knome> tbe, i had forgotten
[23:41] <knome> i'd say let's do that and other small things in S
[23:41] <knome> though meh, we changed the docs
[23:41] <knome> micahg, when you look at Unit193's link, see the merge request 155753 too
[23:42] <knome> i'd consider that low-mediumish
[23:42] <knome> even more so because R only has 9 months of support, and we're more rolling now
[23:43] <knome> we can probably let ourselves a bit easier with things like this on the interim releases in the future
[23:43] <skellat> How about disapprove it now and we'll consider it in the S cycle then?
[23:43] <knome> if we can get it in, it's fine
[23:43] <skellat> Okay
[23:43] <knome> if not, then it'll automatically be postponed
[23:44] <skellat> There were supposed to be re-spins tonight.  I don't know if the crew in -release started yet, though.
[23:44] <knome> this doesn't affect any image really
[23:44] <knome> it's just a matter if micahg has time before the release and if it's considered something that can pass through
[23:46] <knome> if not.. then let it be
[23:46] <skellat> Alrighty
[23:46] <knome> a bit different from "oops, we forgot to upload the new wallpaper" :P
[23:47] <skellat> :-)  Been there, done that, got the IRC logs for it
[23:48] <knome> that still wasn't as crazy as the "we know it's after UIF... but can we change our logo?" in 12.04 :D
[23:55] <Unit193> knome: /eval.txt too now.