psylemCan someone help me figure out why when I login, I have to reconfigure my screen configuration each time? This started happening after the last kernel update was pushed out (and probably a few other packages were updated too)01:56
psylemI have two screens side by side, the login screen works as expected so I can move the mouse from screen to screen01:56
psylembut after I login, I end up with cloned view of a single screen desktop01:57
deitrickdid you use arandr?01:57
psylemI use Nvidia X Server Settings to set the second screen to the right of the first01:58
psylemI don't have arandr installed01:58
psylemthe Nvidia tool saves the config to xorg.conf, and I think that works since the login screen looks fine01:58
deitrickmaybe you need to add somthing to the Session and Startup menu01:59
psylemok, I'll try this arandr thing02:00
deitrickyou can do that or use the XFCE PPA to use a newer XFCE version since they put good multi monitor support in the new version02:01
psylemthat sounds cooler02:04
psylemI noticed there are existing options to reflect the output so it looks like what you'd see in a mirror, but nothing about multiscreen support02:05
psylemI'll try the ppa02:05
psylem4.12 wanted me to remove some xubuntu desktop, thunar and some other stuff, so I take it I want the Xfce 4.10 PPA?02:18
deitrickI used the 4.12 and had no problems02:19
psylemthanks for the idea to upgrade xfce, I'm going to logout now02:23
psylemsee ya02:23
psylemstrangely, I didn't even need to configure a thing, I have dual monitors working as expected again on Xfce 4.10 :/02:27
psylemand my desktop seems slightly more awesome, though the panel alignment is off02:27
psylem...fixed the panel, all is well02:30
asenkis doing sudo do-release-upgrade -d safe?04:03
asenkbecouse i feel like i just broke major amount of stuff with that04:08
Unit193Well, it is upgrading to a development version of Xubuntu, but I'd have thought it would go better than what you indicate this late in the cycle...04:10
ntzrmtthihu777hullo. keycut to open the xfce menu please? I would google, but my net is acting too funky (on the edge of the effective range of a wifi access point)05:01
jk_ntzrmtthihu777, Control-escape does it according to my documentation here.05:02
ntzrmtthihu777kk, lemme give that a shot.05:03
ntzrmtthihu777cool, but not what I meant. that's the same as right-clicking the desktop. I mean the xfce menu that comes standard in the upper left corner, eg the "start menu". gnome's was alt+f105:05
jk_ntzrmtthihu777, they're all three the same for me, with Subuntu
jk_*xubuntu 10.04.405:07
ntzrmtthihu777wow, still rocking the lucid :D05:08
jk_yep. I lied; right-clicking gets a different menu, with an "applications" item on it that gives the other menu -- but the ctrl-escape key combo does the same as clicking the start-menu icon.05:10
ntzrmtthihu777could you have a look at your keycuts settings for me?05:11
jk_I'm not sure what you mean by "keycuts" -- I look in the "keyboard" applet from the settings menu for the "application shortcuts" and that's where I found ctrl-escape.05:13
ntzrmtthihu777yes, what is the command it executes? keycut = key shortcut/hotkey05:14
jk_xfce4-popup-menu is the command executed.05:15
ntzrmtthihu777one sec --05:16
asenki guess i shouldnt run commands when i dont know what they do05:17
ntzrmtthihu777thank you , that gave me the clue I needed; the command on my machine is xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu05:18
ntzrmtthihu777asenk: definitly. I can think of a few one liners that would toatally bork you.05:18
jk_i tried to run xfce4-popup-menu on my 12.04 system via ssh and got "command not found" so apparently they changed the application name between sfce 4.6 and 4.10... glad you got it sorted.05:19
asenkbut the guys on the internet told me it would be fine05:19
ntzrmtthihu777jk_: thank you, now I got my setup just about right :P05:19
ntzrmtthihu777asenk: the guys on the internet may also be trolling you.05:20
ntzrmtthihu777asenk: for instance, this command will literally rick-roll you: curl -L http://bit.ly/10hA8iC | bash05:21
xubuntu023hi need some help05:31
ntzrmtthihu777bring it05:31
xubuntu023xubuntu beginer I have installed on USB logged in it works05:32
xubuntu023i have logged out and can't log in again05:33
xubuntu023using the Live Session user the userid-pw does not work05:33
ntzrmtthihu777what do you mean can't log back in? are you at the login screen or what?05:33
xubuntu023there sis NO pw as far as I know05:33
ntzrmtthihu777exactly what you mean? you're on a liveusb testing it?05:34
xubuntu023i logged outr and yes I am at what i beleive is a log in screen05:34
xubuntu023yes on live usb05:34
asenktheres some discussion about blank password on internet05:35
xubuntu023i searhed for an hour or so05:35
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: unless I am mistaken there is no password for the live user.05:35
xubuntu023everything I found confirmed the pw  is blank05:35
ntzrmtthihu777now, I can give you a bit of info if you want a real usb-pc05:35
xubuntu023i have two choices of session 1-xubuntu session or 2- XFCE session05:36
xubuntu023i odn,t think it makes any difference isn't it?05:36
ntzrmtthihu777do you have more than one usb/are willing to sacrifice a cd?05:37
asenkno difference.05:37
xubuntu023yes i have another USB and yes I can scarifice a CD05:37
xubuntu023question when I anm at the login prompt what is exactly teh userdi I should write?05:38
ntzrmtthihu777thing is the best way I know of to create a real ubuntu install is to either use a cd to install to usb, or usb-to-usb, as the usb-creator-gtk/unetbootin/whatever you used to produce the live usb will not work so very good.05:38
xubuntu023Live Session or Live session user05:38
ntzrmtthihu777why not just reboot, and use a terminal command to get the right username?05:39
xubuntu023rebooting will loose all my setting changes05:39
xubuntu023i configured mnetwork shares05:39
xubuntu023changes laguage05:40
xubuntu023changes keyborad05:40
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: you'll lose anything anyways with the live usb as it exists now. follow my above steps and its persistent.05:40
ntzrmtthihu777*all* changes are lost on reboot, and I think also logout, on a liveusb produced by usb-creator-gtk/unetbootin05:41
xubuntu023:-( OK so how do I do with the usb to usb05:41
xubuntu023or cd to usb?05:41
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: you should see an install xubuntu thingus on your desktop, no?05:41
xubuntu023i have myu iso and an app i dowloadeds to 'create' the live USB05:42
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: within the liveusb environment there should be an install icon on the desktop, if I recall right.05:43
xubuntu023let me booth the VM i used to create the USB05:43
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: what sort of vm is it?05:43
xubuntu023VMW running W7-6405:44
xubuntu023no there is no icon on th edesktop05:45
xubuntu023i used YUMI
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: what is yumi? you know what, nevermind. can you burn the iso to cd?05:46
xubuntu023i guess so05:46
xubuntu023and then?05:46
ntzrmtthihu777burn it to cd, boot the cd. there will be an install xubuntu icon on the desktop. use that to install to usb05:47
xubuntu023and what should i do to set it persistent?05:48
ntzrmtthihu777this will be a full install, remember all your settings within the limits of its storage, and will have your username and your password.05:48
xubuntu023on the USB?05:48
xubuntu023is 4GB enough?05:48
ntzrmtthihu777mebbe, not sure. all mine are 8gb at least.05:49
ntzrmtthihu777but if you install to the usb as if it were a normal hard drive it will be fully persistent. I have a friend with a netbook with a burnt out ssd, I made him a ubuntu stick to boot from.05:50
xubuntu023while i have you if i want to use aprt of my HD on that PC to install xubuntu how do i partition it so I keep tyhe existing file?05:50
ntzrmtthihu777and by the way, the login name is xubuntu and no password.05:50
xubuntu023I mean i tried but did not have clear enogh instructions on the tool i used05:50
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: you mean install xubuntu along with an existing operating system?05:50
bullgard4 When booting my Xubuntu 12.04.2, a voice tells me "Welcome to Orca" and a windows appears showing on all workspaces a keyboard. How can I get rid of this?05:50
xubuntu023it is not live session05:51
ntzrmtthihu777orca is an accessibility thing. you can likely remove it with the software center.05:51
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: what?05:52
xubuntu023yes there is winXp intsalled oin that PC i want to keep it and give a shot to Xubuntu05:53
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: so a dual boot?05:53
ntzrmtthihu777heh, lucky for you I can walk you through it.05:53
ntzrmtthihu777as I have currently booted xubuntu over a winxp vm05:54
xubuntu023why not two separate vms05:54
ntzrmtthihu777double click the install xubuntu icon on the desktop.05:54
xubuntu023hold on my Cd is ot burned yet05:55
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: because I don't like wasting space. I already am in xubuntu; what point is there to have xubuntu inside of xubuntu?05:55
ntzrmtthihu777and no, 4gb is not enough. at least 4.3 is needed.05:55
xubuntu023Can I use the CD instead to install the dual boot on teh winxp machine05:57
xubuntu023or dvd?05:57
xubuntu023xubuntu as userid does not work either05:57
ntzrmtthihu777when I got to the partitioning step of the install it did not have the resize option it had at another time. you will have to resize the partitions manually with gparted on the live usb/cd05:58
xubuntu023ah OK this is the missing link05:58
xubuntu023how do you invoke or stsrt gparted?05:59
xubuntu023i guess you do it before?05:59
ntzrmtthihu777the "start menu", system tools05:59
ntzrmtthihu777yeah, this is no where near my first rodeo06:00
xubuntu023i have roughly 15-20 GB free on the Hd is iot enough?06:01
xubuntu023it is an old laptop I am trying to render reusable06:02
ntzrmtthihu777yeah, you can get away with about 8gb for a decent install. honestly if you are really carefull you can migrate most of your winxp stuff over to xubuntu and use the full disc06:03
xubuntu023so I gues i can install from the CD no need for USB?06:04
xubuntu023whAT WILL06:04
xubuntu023oups sorry06:04
xubuntu023what will trigger teh dual boot?06:04
xubuntu023i will be prompted at startup?06:04
xubuntu023I never did that...06:05
ntzrmtthihu777if done properly it will ask you to choose between windows and ubuntu06:05
xubuntu023Q## and what about if i want to play arund withother distro to see how thet react on this PC?06:06
xubuntu023that is what i liked about having it them on a USB key06:06
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: yeah, usb is good, but you need at least 4.3gb to pull it off06:07
xubuntu023and that would be ONE vesrion of linux on each USB? Or can i have multiple?06:09
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu023: not unless its a very large usb. like I said, you need at least 4.3 for xubuntu, and similar amounts for other ubuntu versions.06:10
xubuntu023OK I get it06:11
xubuntu023I,ll do it later though it sleep time and work tomorrow06:11
xubuntu023but i got the picture06:12
ntzrmtthihu777lol, cool06:12
xubuntu023still cvan't really understad why I can't log back in06:12
xubuntu023anothet coputer nystry06:12
xubuntu023thanks A LOT for all your hlep and patince06:12
xubuntu023help & patience06:13
bullgard4ntzrmtthihu777: Your answer: "[07:51]ntzrmtthihu777orca is an accessibility thing. you can likely remove it with the software center." is wrong. The package »gnome-orca« is not installed. I rebooted. Still the window showing a keyboard  appears on all workspaces.06:16
ntzrmtthihu777bullgard4: hmm.06:17
ntzrmtthihu777actually the keyboard is onboard, right?06:18
bullgard4ntzrmtthihu777: What do you mean by "the keyboard"?06:26
ntzrmtthihu777the onscreen keyboard you are having issue with.06:27
ntzrmtthihu777bullgard4: check ubuntu software center, installed software, under universal access06:28
bullgard4ntzrmtthihu777: The window showing a keyboard which I have an issue with is visible on my laptop's screen.06:28
ntzrmtthihu777yeah, I understand that. check software center where I told you, and it might be right there.06:29
bullgard4ntzrmtthihu777: I checked it before. As I said, the DEB program package »gnome-orca« is not installed.06:29
ntzrmtthihu777and I switched my thoughts on what the package was, check for onboard.06:29
bullgard4ntzrmtthihu777:  This helped. --  Thank you very much for your help.06:39
ntzrmtthihu777bullgard4: no problem. I rather like being of use on irc06:40
ntzrmtthihu777yes! and I now have a very good simulcrum of docky using panels! I love not having to have extra crap XD06:41
ntzrmtthihu777and the desktop grid of compiz sans compiz :D06:43
packetfrogdocky and compiz are not extra crap?06:49
ntzrmtthihu777packetfrog: thats what I mean, I have what fucntions just as well as them without them :P06:55
ntzrmtthihu777well, just as well at what I want from them.06:55
packetfrogI did not read the whole conversation, just trolling I guess. sorry.06:55
ntzrmtthihu777:P its cool06:56
ntzrmtthihu777man xfce is almost *too* customizable XD06:56
guest501xfce on xubuntu07:16
ntzrmtthihu777geeze screen saved my buns XD07:20
ntzrmtthihu777hullo. is there a way to center an xfce panel *without* using expanding separators on each end?09:14
cfhowlettntzrmtthihu777, yes.  my panels are minimized and centered09:16
TheSheepyou can center the panel itself09:16
ntzrmtthihu777TheSheep: I'm to ocd to go by my own hand XD09:16
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: no, it snaps09:16
ntzrmtthihu777cfhowlett: how would I? I would just use that trick if it were not for I set up a panel to the left to launch my fave directories09:17
ntzrmtthihu777TheSheep: is that so?09:17
cfhowlettntzrmtthihu777, looking now.  my panels are centered by default it seems ...09:18
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: I have my panel like that...09:18
ntzrmtthihu777TheSheep: sure right, there is a definite snapping motion09:19
ntzrmtthihu777yeah, now I'm set :D.09:19
cfhowlettntzrmtthihu777, I don't see a setting.  Y U no just use 100% size so it'll auto-center09:20
ntzrmtthihu777cfhowlett: its just the left hand panel would cover teh leftmost buttons in firefox09:20
knome!u | cfhowlett09:20
ubottucfhowlett: U is the 21st letter of the modern latin alphabet. Neither 'U' nor 'Ur' are words in the English language. Neither are 'R', 'Y', 'l8', 'ryt',  'Ne1' nor 'Bcuz'. Mangled English is hard for non-native English speakers. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/abbreviations/ for more information.09:20
ntzrmtthihu777and what TheSheep said is true, there is a definite center snap09:20
ntzrmtthihu777now I don't suppose ya'll know how to get xfce panel launchers to have multiple options like the unity ones?09:21
KerrMDYou've got to love a "grammar nazi" bot. =D09:21
ntzrmtthihu777\(- -) heil grammar!09:22
knomentzrmtthihu777, okay, stop it right there.09:22
knomemogito, you too.09:22
KerrMDYou rang?09:22
knomeKerrMD, yes, "stop it"09:23
cfhowlettknome is correct.  "u" can easily be misunderstood by non-native english speakers09:23
ntzrmtthihu777not saying it couldn't :P09:23
KerrMDSheesh. One would think that by now that phrase would be well understood and not taken as anti-simitic09:24
KerrMD"Semitic"  that is09:24
ntzrmtthihu777<< is jewish and does not take it as anti-semitic, nor the soup nazi09:25
KerrMDNever heard the soup variation nor know what it means09:25
knomentzrmtthihu777, KerrMD: didn't i tell you to stop it already?09:25
ntzrmtthihu777KerrMD: seinfeld character. youtube him, he's hilarious09:25
TheSheepguys you are being offtopic again :(09:26
knomeyes, that too09:26
KerrMDKnome, answer me this. Are you an admin, op, or self appointed #kubuntu police?09:28
KerrMDhonest question09:28
knomeKerrMD, not that i think it matters, but i'm somebody who you should listen if i say stop it.09:29
KerrMDWay to dodge09:29
KerrMDIs anyone aware as to whether or not the issue with alps touchpads being seen as a PS/2 mouse as it pertains to the Inspiron 7720 (17R SE) has been addressed in the beta of 13.04?09:33
cfhowlett!raring|KerrMD, ask in #ubuntu+109:34
ubottuKerrMD, ask in #ubuntu+1: Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) will be the 18th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+109:34
KerrMDOk, is there a fix for it in 12.10?09:34
ntzrmtthihu777KerrMD: ok, exactly what does that even mean?09:35
KerrMDIt means that there is an issue with a common (as far as I have seen) touchpad being seen as a mouse(PS/2) instead of as a touchpad09:36
KerrMDI've seen the same issue in Gentoo, Fedora 18, Arch, all Ubuntu variants, etc.09:37
cfhowlettKerrMD, sounds like a kernel issue then ....09:37
KerrMDThat's been my assumption09:38
ntzrmtthihu777KerrMD: yeah, but what is the big deal with it being seen as a mouse instead of touchpad? what are the repercussions?09:38
KerrMDA lack of the more advanced touchpad functionality. IE 2 finger scrolling (horiz and vert), pinch to zoom, etc09:39
KerrMDor even basic horiz and vert edge scrolling09:39
ntzrmtthihu777gotcah. personally I have a touchscreen Dell, and my laptops touch pad works quite well09:40
KerrMDI would assume that yours and mine are different models if not makes09:41
ntzrmtthihu777yeah. I got saddled with an hp =_= damn thing's so hot.09:41
KerrMDAt least it's not an RT. :P09:42
ntzrmtthihu777at least its not an iMac XD09:43
ntzrmtthihu777right now I'm in the process of figuring out how to cross-compile for mac. what a pita. windows was easy to figure out09:44
KerrMDI've no clue about cross-compiling. VM?09:44
ntzrmtthihu777nope. I compile windows exes right on my xubuntu box09:44
KerrMDPerhaps a BSD instead of linux?09:45
koegsonce again, we are back to offtopic...09:45
ubottu#xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!09:46
KerrMDWere it a busy room I could see the justification for the whole "off topic" thing. Since it is not, I do not. Don't worry about kicking or banning. I think I'm going back to ARch or Gentoo. MAybe even just doing an LFS.  Be well and have a happy life.09:47
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antisober552hi guys11:09
antisober552ive disabled my wifi and now cant get it enabled11:10
antisober552help please11:10
cfhowlettantisober552, how did you disable?11:11
antisober552by the icon on the desktop11:11
cfhowlettantisober552, right click enable networking enable wireless11:12
cfhowlettantisober552, or it might be left click11:12
antisober552lol damn ive been trying for an hour to get that to work fml11:12
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ArchBeOShey guys, is there a way to change my resolution for xfce?13:30
baizonArchBeOS: yes13:30
ArchBeOSbaizon, is it easy or do i have to change config files?13:30
TheSheepsettings -> display13:30
baizonArchBeOS: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62681/how-do-i-setup-dual-monitors-in-xfce13:30
ArchBeOSlifesavers, the both of yous13:31
ArchBeOSthanks :)13:31
peyamXubuntu is awesome13:38
peyamI'm gonna show my configurated theme13:38
peyamand my nex self-designed theme will be very like this one13:38
peyamlook at this13:39
peyamwhat do you guys think aboutthis?13:40
baizonpeyam: this is a support channel, if you want to talk feel free to join #xubuntu-offtopic13:40
grypeyam: it's an ok theme for irssi, it might need bit less contrast but that's just a preference of course13:41
peyamwell I ment the whole pic13:41
peyamnot just irssi13:42
peyamI change the font and the color a little bit13:42
enroxorzone more question. what sensor applet do you guys use?13:42
gryyea it looks like an ok gamma, just type longer lines, might want to maximize that window ;)13:42
peyamI want somehow to an idea that maximize the desktop totally13:42
grysensor applet? what does it do exactly?13:42
enroxorzlike psensor or smth13:42
enroxorztemp for my cpu13:43
peyamif it is what you  mean13:43
peyamgry: I like the "close, minimize, maximize" buttons13:43
peyamgry: And I even want to minimize the menu bar but I guess it will mean the entire change in theme13:44
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peyamI got an idea13:45
peyamwhy not delete the entire taskbar13:45
peyamand make a shortcut to see the menu13:45
peyamI guess it will make my work on computer much faster13:46
peyamDoes anyone know How I can put the time and date in the menu launcher?13:46
GridCubepeyam, in the orage clock applet?13:47
GridCubepeyam, that wont make the computer faster13:48
peyamno no13:48
peyamI ment it will give more desktop space13:48
GridCubeoh, sure, why not13:49
peyamand everytime I want to see the time I want to see the menu and time and everythin other like sifi status, date, battery etc13:49
peyamI wand to put everything on taskbar in the menu instead13:49
GridCubeoh, i dont know about that13:49
peyamDon't you think it is a good idea?13:49
GridCubeno, not really, i think that pretty much a lot of pain13:50
GridCubewhat i would do, maybe, its have a panel in auto hide13:50
GridCubeif that was so relevant13:50
peyamautohide is so annoying13:51
peyamsometimes you want to click on a word in the webbroser and the panel will bother you13:51
GridCubeput it somewhere else13:51
GridCubein the side13:52
peyamit will bother any way13:52
peyamEverythin auto will be annoying I think13:52
GridCubehttp://i.imgur.com/x5PyUDw.png peyam :D13:54
peyamit is good but still to little desktop14:00
GridCubeP: its a netbook14:01
peyammine too14:03
peyamthat's why I want to maximize the desktop14:03
GridCubewell thats how things are bro14:04
GridCubeyou cant do that peyam14:04
GridCubeyou simply cant14:04
peyamwell menu is a launcher14:04
peyamand as you say it seems impossible14:04
GridCubethats not how it works14:04
peyamexplain it to me :P14:05
GridCubethe panel contains the applets, you cant contain them without a panel, the menu its an applet, not a panel, you cant have applets inside applets14:07
peyamMaybe I should have a conky14:08
peyamfor the time and date14:08
peyamand have the menu as it is now14:08
peyamand use Windows key for showing the menu14:09
GridCubethere used to be an option, back in xfce 4.4 or 4.6 that the panels had this arrows at the end and you could click them and roll the whole panel away and only an "arrow" icon kept in view that you could clic and show the panel again14:09
peyamI make a conky14:10
WeNDoRGridCube: right click on the notification area14:10
WeNDoRand under known applications check the hidden checkbox14:11
WeNDoRfor the icon to hide and so the arrow appears14:11
GridCube? i dont have that14:11
GridCube"known applications"14:12
GridCubei found that option WeNDoR, known aplications, but no "hidden checkbox" keep in mind im in 12.04 using xfce 4.814:14
luke_hello everyone14:19
lderanHello luke_14:19
peyam hi14:19
luke_i want to join the xubuntu team so i thought i would start here14:19
peyamyou are welcome14:20
luke_thank you14:20
luke_so what is the process for joining a team?14:21
WeNDoRGridCube: my bad14:21
peyamone of the team leaders are usually here14:21
peyamI dunno if he is here now14:21
luke_oh ok14:22
GridCubeluke_, :D welcome! please join #xubuntu-devel and read http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/14:23
GridCubewe are just 2 days away from release, we need all the iso testings we can get, all of them14:23
luke_i want to do QA or packaging14:24
luke_so im up for anything!14:24
GridCubeluke_, :) excellent, but do please join #xubuntu-devel for this :D this channel its for help support and such14:25
* genii-around ponders if his CD will do overburn up to 80114:30
GridCubedont think so14:31
peyamGridCube: It turns out I cant remove the taskbar :O14:36
gryyes, xfce is configurable like that14:36
peyamIf I want to hide it14:36
peyamhow do I do that?14:36
GridCuberemove the whole panel14:36
peyamit isn't possible14:37
GridCubelol why not14:37
peyamthe remove button is unactivated14:37
GridCubeoh i see14:37
GridCubewell, kill xfce4-panel then14:37
peyamneeds a Job ID14:38
GridCubeno... killall xfce4-panel14:38
peyamdoesnt work :)14:38
peyamalready tested14:38
GridCubeit works here14:39
peyamforgot to write 414:39
peyamnobody can use my computer14:39
peyamshould I make a killall xfce4-panel in the startup applications?14:40
GridCubeprobably i dunno14:40
peyamGridCube: my internet died14:41
peyamplease answer so Im sure it works14:42
GridCubepeyam, ping14:43
peyamGridCube: now the god of xubuntus is here with me14:46
peyamhacker xubuntu :d14:46
nantou4 days to go14:58
GridCubenantou, to?15:04
nantourephrase, to upgrade to 13.0415:05
nantoustable release is being released on the 26th. right?15:06
genii-aroundIt should have propogated to all the mirrors by then.15:07
GridCube25 nantou15:09
nantouit is still better to do a fresh install than a simple upgrade?15:10
GridCubenantou, i did an upgrade and it took longer but its fine, nothing bad happened this time, 12.04->12.1015:11
peyamI dont know it is possible to upgrade xubuntu on xubuntu15:13
peyamfresh install is alwasys required ?15:13
elfyGridCube: I did the same with a laptop - worked fine, only reason I don't now is speed15:14
peyamhow do you mean?15:14
peyamI dont know if a computer can be faster than it is with xubuntu.. the speeddifference between lxce and xfce is very small15:15
GridCubepeyam, installing from the iso its faster because else it has to download all the files,15:17
peyamWha do you mean? it should be something I dont know about15:17
GridCubei had to download like 2gb because it updates all the programs i have15:17
ubottuTo mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.15:17
elfypeyam: it's quicker for me to get the iso and clean install than upgrade15:17
GridCubethe iso its the installer image you get from the interwebs15:17
peyamBut do you mount the iso file inside xubuntu and install xubuntu new INSIDE the xubuntu you have?15:18
elfyI just install over the old one15:18
peyamso you clear the old one and do a fresh install?15:18
peyamthen I got it15:19
elfyone for using and one to be the next dev version15:19
peyamwait wait..15:19
GridCubepeyam, you get your files in a partition and the / partition gets reinstalled, then all the files are safe15:20
peyamso you mount it inside the old xubuntu , install the new on an other partition and then format the old partition you have old xubuntu on?15:20
peyamyou people15:21
peyamI mean in generell15:21
* elfy has 2 partitions I use - one is for general use the other is for breaking - my breaking one is now about 2 months out of date - I will install a clean one there and then dist upgrade it for 13.10 this time, my old 12.10 got a clean install with 13.04 about 2 months ago 15:23
peyamstill dont get it15:23
peyamtell me how you install ur new xubuntu15:24
elfyclean install15:24
elfyover the old one15:24
GridCubepeyam, no, yuou use the iso and burn it to amedia15:25
GridCubelike a cd15:25
ubottuCD/DVD burning software: k3b (KDE), brasero (GNOME), gnomebaker, xcdroast, wodim (command-line) | To burn ISO files, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto15:25
peyamit is not what elfy  says15:25
peyamhe mounts the iso inside the xubuntu15:26
GridCubewhat? no..15:26
elfyI never said that ;)15:26
peyamhe burn it?15:26
peyamokej okej15:26
GridCubeits not what he said, he said that downloading the iso is faster15:26
GridCubethen you burn it, or make a usb or whatever15:26
peyamno I get it. I though you mount it inside the xubuntu with out any extern media15:26
GridCubeyou can probably do taht with some grub magic tho15:30
elfyGridCube: you should be able to do it - did it once just to prove it15:33
luke_does anyone know if all the ubuntu flavors will get there own mobile os?15:35
GridCubedont think so15:37
GridCubemaybe some day in the future, but i dont know of any plans for that15:37
luke_would be awesome if they do tho15:37
luke_if i could get xubuntu on all my machines i would be in heaven15:38
baizonubottu didnt listen xfburn :(15:38
ubottubaizon: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)15:38
GridCubebaizon, you didnt !15:40
peyamluke_: a mobile os?15:45
peyamdidn't they have a os for mobiles? it was an first page15:45
peyamwhat happedned to that15:45
luke_well ubuntu has it, but not the ubuntu flavors15:45
peyamokej :)15:46
peyamcan you install android apps on ubuntu os?15:47
luke_not that i know of15:47
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redcougar27hello, I have a problem with the xubuntu desktop: the picture choosen as background doesn't stay; after rebooting, the default background (xfce-blue.jpg) comes back.15:54
baizonredcougar27: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2012/11/xubuntu-1210-day-2-customise-desktop.html15:56
elfybaizon: I find that if I use one from outside /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops I lose it quite often15:57
baizonelfy: ive never changed the default background :>15:57
elfyI've not changed it this week :)15:57
GridCuberedcougar27, how do you login to your session?15:58
redcougar27No login asked (by default); as administrator.16:02
GridCubeyou still have to sudo things up right?16:04
GridCubecheck that ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-desktop.xml its not read only16:06
redcougar27gridcube: no, the desktop appers after booting.16:19
ArchBeOScan i use the ubuntu deb files from dropbox to install, or should i go for plain debian release?17:00
baizonArchBeOS: ?17:04
ArchBeOSbaizon, i read that the ubuntu download for dropbox depended on nautilus instead of thunar. would the plain vanilla debian file work instead?17:04
ArchBeOSim new to xfce so thats why im asking so many noob questions17:05
baizonGridCube: a job for you17:06
baizoni'm out, 2 question in a row that i don't understand. I need a break... :(17:06
GridCubeArchBeOS, you want to istall dropbox for thunar17:06
ArchBeOSim sorry baizon17:06
ArchBeOSi suck with the questions...17:07
GridCubeArchBeOS, see faq 4 http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/17:07
ArchBeOSqui. i just got ubuntu one installed and its working great. jsut need drop box and i should be ok...i think...17:07
ArchBeOSk. reading.17:08
ArchBeOSthanks GridCube :)17:09
zodiakhey guys+gals, I jst upgraded from 12.04 to the 13.04 testing.. and of course, the wireless doesn't work (rt3573 chipset). I kinda new this would happen though, so, question for laptop xubunter's, which wireless-n usb card "jst works" ?17:25
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GridCube07:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10), never had problems with mine, even android x86 detects it now17:29
genii-aroundzodiak: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/category/WIRELESS/17:29
zodiakGridCube, danke .. let me google around for a usb adapter with that17:30
zodiakgenii-around, thanks for the thought but, that link is as dry as the gobi ;P17:31
zodiak1/3 to 1/2 of them are intel .. which are mini-pci cards17:31
genii-aroundThey should update the list more often.... :/17:32
peyamI removed the panel18:06
peyamand now I have a conky instead18:07
mac_hey everyone18:20
mac_hows it going?18:21
peyam. ~/.bashrc18:21
mac_its all good18:22
mac_what are you doing with bash?18:24
mac_ya i got some in my backyard. have to rip them up18:27
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micomdo you think that c++ programmer with a little experience can be helpful in the xubuntu?19:53
knomemicom, why not. look around in http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ and join our lists and irc channel.19:54
mac_hey guys19:54
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micomthanks knome19:54
knomemicom, it's not too long until we start planning on the next release either, so a good time to jump in if you have ideas19:55
micomknome, no ideas, i like xubuntu ( it replaced gnome classic in my example) and i want to gain experience in some open source project19:55
knomemicom, it's a really good idea to subscribe to our mailing list (and why not send an introduction mail too) and join #xubuntu-devel, then start looking how things work in the community19:56
micomknome, ok, xubuntu-devel sounds like a better channel for this discussion19:58
micomi dont even know where is the repository with source code...20:03
elfymicom: enable source in software sources, then you can get the source code - unless it's bzr or one of those things others can point you at :)20:27
elfysudo apt-get source abiword for example20:28
AmoKkhey guys anyone tried to instlal xubuntu on imac ?20:36
knomeprobably yes, but before you go digging any deeper, i just want to point out that it's not really officially supported, so you are "on your own"20:37
AmoKkyea i know bout the video card problems20:38
packetfrogI would fully support googling the crap out of anything I can for you, just to ding apple.20:38
AmoKkI have only one problem ... i cant boot =))20:38
knomepacketfrog, mind considering the language?20:38
AmoKki tried adding nouveau.noaccel=1 blacklist=vga16fb20:39
packetfrogknome It took me three times of rereading my statement to find what you had an issue with, but sure.20:39
AmoKkhowever i get a black screen on boot time20:39
SonikkuAmericaAmoKk: A black screen that just sticks?20:39
genii-aroundTried nomodeset ?20:40
AmoKkyea it sticks20:40
AmoKkjust a sec ... let me try nomodeset20:40
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AmoKknice it booted20:42
AmoKkthank you!20:42
redcougar27hello; I have changed the desktop background (blue) by an image. But the image doesn't stay as background after rebooting and the desktop shows the blue background.20:45
packetfrogamokk http://www.moddb.com/groups/blenderheads/tutorials/linux-ubuntu-1204-on-2011-imac-guide  might be usefull.20:46
packetfroguseful also.20:46
packetfrogredcougar27, What version of Xubuntu?20:47
SonikkuAmericaknome: May I ask what that's for?20:49
SonikkuAmericaI see.20:49
AmoKkah come on guys packetfrog war really helpful20:56
knomeAmoKk, i'm sorry. that's not the reason he was removed, but let's not go too deep into the reasons.20:57
ubottuPowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ20:58
Unit193AmoKk: Is it actually an Intel one or ppc?20:58
AmoKkIntel with nvidia gpu20:59
AmoKkearly 200920:59
Unit193https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Intel_iMac is slightly dated, but should be good.20:59
AmoKki have nvidia 120GT ... not listed there and apparently not supported by any distro ... at least not out of the box :D21:01
AmoKkinstalling now the latest nvidia driver ... hope nomodeset is not required anymore21:01
zodiakfwiw, the amped ua2000 gives awesome 5g/600Mb under xubuntu :)21:12
peyaminstalling driver?21:20
peyamu dont use the one in ubuntu?21:20
peyambig misstake?21:20
SonikkuAmericaNot necessarily...21:21
peyamI thinki the ubuntu one is more stable and the one made by manufactors is better in speed21:21
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zodiakpeyam, sorry, was that directed at me ?21:30
peyamI guess21:30
zodiakbecause the linux kernel  doesn't support the rt3573 chipset ;)21:31
peyami didn't know sorry21:31
zodiakoh .. no worries :D getting the wireless-n working has been a labour of love :)21:32
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peyamthis channel was made in 07:42 in the morning22:19
peyamwho goes up from the bed to make a channel22:20
knomepeyam, who said the person didn't have an allnighter. or be in another timezone. anyway, #xubuntu-offtopic22:20
peyamknome: good point22:20
peyamthe time is the local time?22:21
knomei don't know, but #xubuntu-offtopic :)22:21
peyamofftopic are usually dead?22:21
peyamyeah u were the developer22:21
SonikkuAmericapeyam: I can make it live.22:21
peyamsomeon was searchin for you22:21
knomeUnit193, you're welcome for the salmon.22:21
Unit193knome: Danke.22:22

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