[01:56] <psylem> Can someone help me figure out why when I login, I have to reconfigure my screen configuration each time? This started happening after the last kernel update was pushed out (and probably a few other packages were updated too)
[01:56] <psylem> I have two screens side by side, the login screen works as expected so I can move the mouse from screen to screen
[01:57] <psylem> but after I login, I end up with cloned view of a single screen desktop
[01:57] <deitrick> did you use arandr?
[01:58] <psylem> I use Nvidia X Server Settings to set the second screen to the right of the first
[01:58] <psylem> I don't have arandr installed
[01:58] <psylem> the Nvidia tool saves the config to xorg.conf, and I think that works since the login screen looks fine
[01:59] <deitrick> maybe you need to add somthing to the Session and Startup menu
[02:00] <psylem> ok, I'll try this arandr thing
[02:01] <deitrick> you can do that or use the XFCE PPA to use a newer XFCE version since they put good multi monitor support in the new version
[02:04] <psylem> that sounds cooler
[02:05] <psylem> I noticed there are existing options to reflect the output so it looks like what you'd see in a mirror, but nothing about multiscreen support
[02:05] <deitrick> yeah
[02:05] <psylem> I'll try the ppa
[02:18] <psylem> 4.12 wanted me to remove some xubuntu desktop, thunar and some other stuff, so I take it I want the Xfce 4.10 PPA?
[02:19] <deitrick> I used the 4.12 and had no problems
[02:23] <psylem> thanks for the idea to upgrade xfce, I'm going to logout now
[02:23] <psylem> see ya
[02:23] <deitrick> :)
[02:27] <psylem> strangely, I didn't even need to configure a thing, I have dual monitors working as expected again on Xfce 4.10 :/
[02:27] <deitrick> nice
[02:27] <psylem> and my desktop seems slightly more awesome, though the panel alignment is off
[02:30] <psylem> ...fixed the panel, all is well
[04:03] <asenk> is doing sudo do-release-upgrade -d safe?
[04:08] <asenk> becouse i feel like i just broke major amount of stuff with that
[04:10] <Unit193> Well, it is upgrading to a development version of Xubuntu, but I'd have thought it would go better than what you indicate this late in the cycle...
[05:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> hullo. keycut to open the xfce menu please? I would google, but my net is acting too funky (on the edge of the effective range of a wifi access point)
[05:02] <jk_> ntzrmtthihu777, Control-escape does it according to my documentation here.
[05:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> kk, lemme give that a shot.
[05:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> cool, but not what I meant. that's the same as right-clicking the desktop. I mean the xfce menu that comes standard in the upper left corner, eg the "start menu". gnome's was alt+f1
[05:07] <jk_> ntzrmtthihu777, they're all three the same for me, with Subuntu 10.04.4.
[05:07] <jk_> *xubuntu 10.04.4
[05:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> wow, still rocking the lucid :D
[05:10] <jk_> yep. I lied; right-clicking gets a different menu, with an "applications" item on it that gives the other menu -- but the ctrl-escape key combo does the same as clicking the start-menu icon.
[05:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> could you have a look at your keycuts settings for me?
[05:13] <jk_> I'm not sure what you mean by "keycuts" -- I look in the "keyboard" applet from the settings menu for the "application shortcuts" and that's where I found ctrl-escape.
[05:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> yes, what is the command it executes? keycut = key shortcut/hotkey
[05:15] <jk_> xfce4-popup-menu is the command executed.
[05:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> one sec --
[05:17] <asenk> i guess i shouldnt run commands when i dont know what they do
[05:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> thank you , that gave me the clue I needed; the command on my machine is xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu
[05:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> asenk: definitly. I can think of a few one liners that would toatally bork you.
[05:19] <jk_> i tried to run xfce4-popup-menu on my 12.04 system via ssh and got "command not found" so apparently they changed the application name between sfce 4.6 and 4.10... glad you got it sorted.
[05:19] <asenk> but the guys on the internet told me it would be fine
[05:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> jk_: thank you, now I got my setup just about right :P
[05:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> asenk: the guys on the internet may also be trolling you.
[05:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> asenk: for instance, this command will literally rick-roll you: curl -L http://bit.ly/10hA8iC | bash
[05:31] <xubuntu023> hi need some help
[05:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> bring it
[05:32] <xubuntu023> xubuntu beginer I have installed on USB logged in it works
[05:33] <xubuntu023> i have logged out and can't log in again
[05:33] <xubuntu023> using the Live Session user the userid-pw does not work
[05:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> what do you mean can't log back in? are you at the login screen or what?
[05:33] <xubuntu023> there sis NO pw as far as I know
[05:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> exactly what you mean? you're on a liveusb testing it?
[05:34] <xubuntu023> i logged outr and yes I am at what i beleive is a log in screen
[05:34] <xubuntu023> yes on live usb
[05:35] <asenk> theres some discussion about blank password on internet
[05:35] <xubuntu023> i searhed for an hour or so
[05:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: unless I am mistaken there is no password for the live user.
[05:35] <xubuntu023> everything I found confirmed the pw  is blank
[05:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> now, I can give you a bit of info if you want a real usb-pc
[05:36] <xubuntu023> i have two choices of session 1-xubuntu session or 2- XFCE session
[05:36] <xubuntu023> i odn,t think it makes any difference isn't it?
[05:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> do you have more than one usb/are willing to sacrifice a cd?
[05:37] <asenk> no difference.
[05:37] <xubuntu023> yes i have another USB and yes I can scarifice a CD
[05:38] <xubuntu023> question when I anm at the login prompt what is exactly teh userdi I should write?
[05:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> thing is the best way I know of to create a real ubuntu install is to either use a cd to install to usb, or usb-to-usb, as the usb-creator-gtk/unetbootin/whatever you used to produce the live usb will not work so very good.
[05:38] <xubuntu023> Live Session or Live session user
[05:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> why not just reboot, and use a terminal command to get the right username?
[05:39] <xubuntu023> rebooting will loose all my setting changes
[05:39] <xubuntu023> i configured mnetwork shares
[05:40] <xubuntu023> changes laguage
[05:40] <xubuntu023> changes keyborad
[05:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: you'll lose anything anyways with the live usb as it exists now. follow my above steps and its persistent.
[05:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> *all* changes are lost on reboot, and I think also logout, on a liveusb produced by usb-creator-gtk/unetbootin
[05:41] <xubuntu023> :-( OK so how do I do with the usb to usb
[05:41] <xubuntu023> or cd to usb?
[05:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: you should see an install xubuntu thingus on your desktop, no?
[05:42] <xubuntu023> i have myu iso and an app i dowloadeds to 'create' the live USB
[05:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: within the liveusb environment there should be an install icon on the desktop, if I recall right.
[05:43] <xubuntu023> let me booth the VM i used to create the USB
[05:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: what sort of vm is it?
[05:44] <xubuntu023> VMW running W7-64
[05:45] <xubuntu023> no there is no icon on th edesktop
[05:46] <xubuntu023> i used YUMI 0.0.9.4
[05:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: what is yumi? you know what, nevermind. can you burn the iso to cd?
[05:46] <xubuntu023> i guess so
[05:46] <xubuntu023> and then?
[05:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> burn it to cd, boot the cd. there will be an install xubuntu icon on the desktop. use that to install to usb
[05:47] <xubuntu023> ok
[05:48] <xubuntu023> and what should i do to set it persistent?
[05:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> this will be a full install, remember all your settings within the limits of its storage, and will have your username and your password.
[05:48] <xubuntu023> on the USB?
[05:48] <xubuntu023> is 4GB enough?
[05:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> mebbe, not sure. all mine are 8gb at least.
[05:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> but if you install to the usb as if it were a normal hard drive it will be fully persistent. I have a friend with a netbook with a burnt out ssd, I made him a ubuntu stick to boot from.
[05:50] <xubuntu023> while i have you if i want to use aprt of my HD on that PC to install xubuntu how do i partition it so I keep tyhe existing file?
[05:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> and by the way, the login name is xubuntu and no password.
[05:50] <xubuntu023> I mean i tried but did not have clear enogh instructions on the tool i used
[05:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: you mean install xubuntu along with an existing operating system?
[05:50] <bullgard4>  When booting my Xubuntu 12.04.2, a voice tells me "Welcome to Orca" and a windows appears showing on all workspaces a keyboard. How can I get rid of this?
[05:51] <xubuntu023> it is not live session
[05:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> orca is an accessibility thing. you can likely remove it with the software center.
[05:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: what?
[05:53] <xubuntu023> yes there is winXp intsalled oin that PC i want to keep it and give a shot to Xubuntu
[05:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: so a dual boot?
[05:53] <xubuntu023> yep
[05:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> heh, lucky for you I can walk you through it.
[05:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> as I have currently booted xubuntu over a winxp vm
[05:54] <xubuntu023> why not two separate vms
[05:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> double click the install xubuntu icon on the desktop.
[05:55] <xubuntu023> hold on my Cd is ot burned yet
[05:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: because I don't like wasting space. I already am in xubuntu; what point is there to have xubuntu inside of xubuntu?
[05:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> and no, 4gb is not enough. at least 4.3 is needed.
[05:57] <xubuntu023> Can I use the CD instead to install the dual boot on teh winxp machine
[05:57] <xubuntu023> or dvd?
[05:57] <xubuntu023> xubuntu as userid does not work either
[05:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> when I got to the partitioning step of the install it did not have the resize option it had at another time. you will have to resize the partitions manually with gparted on the live usb/cd
[05:58] <xubuntu023> ah OK this is the missing link
[05:59] <xubuntu023> how do you invoke or stsrt gparted?
[05:59] <xubuntu023> i guess you do it before?
[05:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> the "start menu", system tools
[06:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, this is no where near my first rodeo
[06:01] <xubuntu023> i have roughly 15-20 GB free on the Hd is iot enough?
[06:02] <xubuntu023> it is an old laptop I am trying to render reusable
[06:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, you can get away with about 8gb for a decent install. honestly if you are really carefull you can migrate most of your winxp stuff over to xubuntu and use the full disc
[06:04] <xubuntu023> so I gues i can install from the CD no need for USB?
[06:04] <xubuntu023> whAT WILL
[06:04] <xubuntu023> oups sorry
[06:04] <xubuntu023> what will trigger teh dual boot?
[06:04] <xubuntu023> i will be prompted at startup?
[06:05] <xubuntu023> I never did that...
[06:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> if done properly it will ask you to choose between windows and ubuntu
[06:06] <xubuntu023> Q## and what about if i want to play arund withother distro to see how thet react on this PC?
[06:06] <xubuntu023> that is what i liked about having it them on a USB key
[06:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: yeah, usb is good, but you need at least 4.3gb to pull it off
[06:09] <xubuntu023> and that would be ONE vesrion of linux on each USB? Or can i have multiple?
[06:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu023: not unless its a very large usb. like I said, you need at least 4.3 for xubuntu, and similar amounts for other ubuntu versions.
[06:11] <xubuntu023> OK I get it
[06:11] <xubuntu023> I,ll do it later though it sleep time and work tomorrow
[06:12] <xubuntu023> but i got the picture
[06:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> lol, cool
[06:12] <xubuntu023> still cvan't really understad why I can't log back in
[06:12] <xubuntu023> anothet coputer nystry
[06:12] <xubuntu023> thanks A LOT for all your hlep and patince
[06:13] <xubuntu023> help & patience
[06:16] <bullgard4> ntzrmtthihu777: Your answer: "[07:51]	ntzrmtthihu777	orca is an accessibility thing. you can likely remove it with the software center." is wrong. The package »gnome-orca« is not installed. I rebooted. Still the window showing a keyboard  appears on all workspaces.
[06:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> bullgard4: hmm.
[06:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> actually the keyboard is onboard, right?
[06:26] <bullgard4> ntzrmtthihu777: What do you mean by "the keyboard"?
[06:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> the onscreen keyboard you are having issue with.
[06:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> bullgard4: check ubuntu software center, installed software, under universal access
[06:28] <bullgard4> ntzrmtthihu777: The window showing a keyboard which I have an issue with is visible on my laptop's screen.
[06:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I understand that. check software center where I told you, and it might be right there.
[06:29] <bullgard4> ntzrmtthihu777: I checked it before. As I said, the DEB program package »gnome-orca« is not installed.
[06:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> and I switched my thoughts on what the package was, check for onboard.
[06:39] <bullgard4> ntzrmtthihu777:  This helped. --  Thank you very much for your help.
[06:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> bullgard4: no problem. I rather like being of use on irc
[06:40] <bullgard4> :-)
[06:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> yes! and I now have a very good simulcrum of docky using panels! I love not having to have extra crap XD
[06:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> and the desktop grid of compiz sans compiz :D
[06:49] <packetfrog> docky and compiz are not extra crap?
[06:49] <packetfrog> :P
[06:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> packetfrog: thats what I mean, I have what fucntions just as well as them without them :P
[06:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> well, just as well at what I want from them.
[06:55] <packetfrog> oic
[06:55] <packetfrog> I did not read the whole conversation, just trolling I guess. sorry.
[06:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> :P its cool
[06:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> man xfce is almost *too* customizable XD
[07:16] <guest501> xfce on xubuntu
[07:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> geeze screen saved my buns XD
[09:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> hullo. is there a way to center an xfce panel *without* using expanding separators on each end?
[09:16] <cfhowlett> ntzrmtthihu777, yes.  my panels are minimized and centered
[09:16] <TheSheep> you can center the panel itself
[09:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: I'm to ocd to go by my own hand XD
[09:16] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: no, it snaps
[09:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> cfhowlett: how would I? I would just use that trick if it were not for I set up a panel to the left to launch my fave directories
[09:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: is that so?
[09:18] <cfhowlett> ntzrmtthihu777, looking now.  my panels are centered by default it seems ...
[09:18] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: I have my panel like that...
[09:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: sure right, there is a definite snapping motion
[09:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, now I'm set :D.
[09:20] <cfhowlett> ntzrmtthihu777, I don't see a setting.  Y U no just use 100% size so it'll auto-center
[09:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> cfhowlett: its just the left hand panel would cover teh leftmost buttons in firefox
[09:20] <knome> !u | cfhowlett
[09:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> and what TheSheep said is true, there is a definite center snap
[09:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> now I don't suppose ya'll know how to get xfce panel launchers to have multiple options like the unity ones?
[09:21] <KerrMD> You've got to love a "grammar nazi" bot. =D
[09:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> \(- -) heil grammar!
[09:22] <KerrMD> lol
[09:22] <knome> ntzrmtthihu777, okay, stop it right there.
[09:22] <knome> mogito, you too.
[09:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> mogito?
[09:22] <knome> KerrMD.
[09:22] <KerrMD> You rang?
[09:23] <knome> KerrMD, yes, "stop it"
[09:23] <cfhowlett> knome is correct.  "u" can easily be misunderstood by non-native english speakers
[09:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> not saying it couldn't :P
[09:24] <KerrMD> Sheesh. One would think that by now that phrase would be well understood and not taken as anti-simitic
[09:24] <KerrMD> "Semitic"  that is
[09:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> << is jewish and does not take it as anti-semitic, nor the soup nazi
[09:25] <KerrMD> Never heard the soup variation nor know what it means
[09:25] <knome> ntzrmtthihu777, KerrMD: didn't i tell you to stop it already?
[09:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> KerrMD: seinfeld character. youtube him, he's hilarious
[09:26] <TheSheep> guys you are being offtopic again :(
[09:26] <knome> yes, that too
[09:28] <KerrMD> Knome, answer me this. Are you an admin, op, or self appointed #kubuntu police?
[09:28] <KerrMD> honest question
[09:29] <knome> KerrMD, not that i think it matters, but i'm somebody who you should listen if i say stop it.
[09:29] <KerrMD> Way to dodge
[09:33] <KerrMD> Is anyone aware as to whether or not the issue with alps touchpads being seen as a PS/2 mouse as it pertains to the Inspiron 7720 (17R SE) has been addressed in the beta of 13.04?
[09:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> whut?
[09:34] <cfhowlett> !raring|KerrMD, ask in #ubuntu+1
[09:34] <KerrMD> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7228520.html#7228520
[09:34] <KerrMD> Ok, is there a fix for it in 12.10?
[09:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> KerrMD: ok, exactly what does that even mean?
[09:36] <KerrMD> It means that there is an issue with a common (as far as I have seen) touchpad being seen as a mouse(PS/2) instead of as a touchpad
[09:37] <KerrMD> I've seen the same issue in Gentoo, Fedora 18, Arch, all Ubuntu variants, etc.
[09:37] <cfhowlett> KerrMD, sounds like a kernel issue then ....
[09:38] <KerrMD> That's been my assumption
[09:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> KerrMD: yeah, but what is the big deal with it being seen as a mouse instead of touchpad? what are the repercussions?
[09:39] <KerrMD> A lack of the more advanced touchpad functionality. IE 2 finger scrolling (horiz and vert), pinch to zoom, etc
[09:39] <KerrMD> or even basic horiz and vert edge scrolling
[09:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> gotcah. personally I have a touchscreen Dell, and my laptops touch pad works quite well
[09:41] <KerrMD> I would assume that yours and mine are different models if not makes
[09:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah. I got saddled with an hp =_= damn thing's so hot.
[09:42] <KerrMD> At least it's not an RT. :P
[09:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> at least its not an iMac XD
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[09:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> right now I'm in the process of figuring out how to cross-compile for mac. what a pita. windows was easy to figure out
[09:44] <KerrMD> I've no clue about cross-compiling. VM?
[09:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> nope. I compile windows exes right on my xubuntu box
[09:45] <KerrMD> Perhaps a BSD instead of linux?
[09:45] <koegs> once again, we are back to offtopic...
[09:46] <knome> !offtopic
[09:47] <KerrMD> Were it a busy room I could see the justification for the whole "off topic" thing. Since it is not, I do not. Don't worry about kicking or banning. I think I'm going back to ARch or Gentoo. MAybe even just doing an LFS.  Be well and have a happy life.
[11:09] <antisober552> hi guys
[11:10] <antisober552> ive disabled my wifi and now cant get it enabled
[11:10] <antisober552> help please
[11:11] <cfhowlett> antisober552, how did you disable?
[11:11] <antisober552> by the icon on the desktop
[11:12] <cfhowlett> antisober552, right click enable networking enable wireless
[11:12] <cfhowlett> antisober552, or it might be left click
[11:12] <antisober552> lol damn ive been trying for an hour to get that to work fml
[13:30] <ArchBeOS> hey guys, is there a way to change my resolution for xfce?
[13:30] <baizon> ArchBeOS: yes
[13:30] <ArchBeOS> baizon, is it easy or do i have to change config files?
[13:30] <TheSheep> settings -> display
[13:30] <baizon> ArchBeOS: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62681/how-do-i-setup-dual-monitors-in-xfce
[13:31] <ArchBeOS> lifesavers, the both of yous
[13:31] <ArchBeOS> thanks :)
[13:38] <peyam> Xubuntu is awesome
[13:38] <peyam> I'm gonna show my configurated theme
[13:38] <peyam> and my nex self-designed theme will be very like this one
[13:39] <peyam> http://postimg.org/image/5z8juqwdd/
[13:39] <peyam> look at this
[13:40] <peyam> what do you guys think aboutthis?
[13:40] <baizon> peyam: this is a support channel, if you want to talk feel free to join #xubuntu-offtopic
[13:41] <gry> peyam: it's an ok theme for irssi, it might need bit less contrast but that's just a preference of course
[13:41] <peyam> gry
[13:41] <peyam> well I ment the whole pic
[13:42] <peyam> not just irssi
[13:42] <peyam> :D
[13:42] <peyam> I change the font and the color a little bit
[13:42] <enroxorz> one more question. what sensor applet do you guys use?
[13:42] <gry> yea it looks like an ok gamma, just type longer lines, might want to maximize that window ;)
[13:42] <peyam> I want somehow to an idea that maximize the desktop totally
[13:42] <gry> sensor applet? what does it do exactly?
[13:42] <enroxorz> like psensor or smth
[13:43] <enroxorz> temp for my cpu
[13:43] <peyam> sensors-lm
[13:43] <peyam> if it is what you  mean
[13:43] <peyam> gry: I like the "close, minimize, maximize" buttons
[13:43] <enroxorz> ok
[13:44] <peyam> gry: And I even want to minimize the menu bar but I guess it will mean the entire change in theme
[13:45] <peyam> I got an idea
[13:45] <peyam> why not delete the entire taskbar
[13:45] <peyam> and make a shortcut to see the menu
[13:46] <peyam> I guess it will make my work on computer much faster
[13:46] <peyam> Does anyone know How I can put the time and date in the menu launcher?
[13:47] <GridCube> peyam, in the orage clock applet?
[13:48] <GridCube> peyam, that wont make the computer faster
[13:48] <peyam> no no
[13:48] <peyam> I ment it will give more desktop space
[13:49] <GridCube> oh, sure, why not
[13:49] <peyam> and everytime I want to see the time I want to see the menu and time and everythin other like sifi status, date, battery etc
[13:49] <peyam> I wand to put everything on taskbar in the menu instead
[13:49] <GridCube> oh, i dont know about that
[13:49] <peyam> Don't you think it is a good idea?
[13:50] <GridCube> no, not really, i think that pretty much a lot of pain
[13:50] <GridCube> what i would do, maybe, its have a panel in auto hide
[13:50] <GridCube> if that was so relevant
[13:51] <peyam> autohide is so annoying
[13:51] <peyam> sometimes you want to click on a word in the webbroser and the panel will bother you
[13:51] <GridCube> put it somewhere else
[13:52] <GridCube> in the side
[13:52] <peyam> it will bother any way
[13:52] <peyam> Everythin auto will be annoying I think
[13:54] <GridCube> http://i.imgur.com/x5PyUDw.png peyam :D
[14:00] <peyam> it is good but still to little desktop
[14:01] <GridCube> P: its a netbook
[14:03] <peyam> mine too
[14:03] <peyam> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2137916&p=12613826#post12613826
[14:03] <peyam> that's why I want to maximize the desktop
[14:03] <peyam> :P
[14:04] <GridCube> well thats how things are bro
[14:04] <GridCube> you cant do that peyam
[14:04] <GridCube> you simply cant
[14:04] <peyam> well menu is a launcher
[14:04] <peyam> and as you say it seems impossible
[14:04] <GridCube> thats not how it works
[14:05] <peyam> explain it to me :P
[14:07] <GridCube> the panel contains the applets, you cant contain them without a panel, the menu its an applet, not a panel, you cant have applets inside applets
[14:07] <lderan> yup
[14:08] <peyam> hmmm
[14:08] <peyam> Maybe I should have a conky
[14:08] <peyam> for the time and date
[14:08] <peyam> and have the menu as it is now
[14:09] <peyam> and use Windows key for showing the menu
[14:09] <GridCube> there used to be an option, back in xfce 4.4 or 4.6 that the panels had this arrows at the end and you could click them and roll the whole panel away and only an "arrow" icon kept in view that you could clic and show the panel again
[14:10] <peyam> hmm
[14:10] <peyam> I make a conky
[14:10] <peyam> :D
[14:10] <WeNDoR> GridCube: right click on the notification area
[14:11] <WeNDoR> properties
[14:11] <WeNDoR> and under known applications check the hidden checkbox
[14:11] <WeNDoR> for the icon to hide and so the arrow appears
[14:11] <GridCube> ? i dont have that
[14:12] <GridCube> "known applications"
[14:14] <GridCube> i found that option WeNDoR, known aplications, but no "hidden checkbox" keep in mind im in 12.04 using xfce 4.8
[14:19] <luke_> hello everyone
[14:19] <lderan> Hello luke_
[14:19] <peyam>  hi
[14:19] <luke_> i want to join the xubuntu team so i thought i would start here
[14:20] <peyam> you are welcome
[14:20] <luke_> thank you
[14:21] <luke_> so what is the process for joining a team?
[14:21] <WeNDoR> GridCube: my bad
[14:21] <peyam> one of the team leaders are usually here
[14:21] <peyam> is*
[14:21] <peyam> I dunno if he is here now
[14:22] <luke_> oh ok
[14:23] <GridCube> luke_, :D welcome! please join #xubuntu-devel and read http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/
[14:23] <GridCube> :D
[14:23] <GridCube> we are just 2 days away from release, we need all the iso testings we can get, all of them
[14:24] <luke_> i want to do QA or packaging
[14:24] <luke_> so im up for anything!
[14:25] <GridCube> luke_, :) excellent, but do please join #xubuntu-devel for this :D this channel its for help support and such
[14:30]  * genii-around ponders if his CD will do overburn up to 801
[14:31] <GridCube> dont think so
[14:36] <peyam> GridCube: It turns out I cant remove the taskbar :O
[14:36] <gry> yes, xfce is configurable like that
[14:36] <peyam> If I want to hide it
[14:36] <peyam> totally
[14:36] <peyam> how do I do that?
[14:36] <GridCube> remove the whole panel
[14:37] <peyam> it isn't possible
[14:37] <GridCube> lol why not
[14:37] <peyam> the remove button is unactivated
[14:37] <GridCube> oh i see
[14:37] <GridCube> well, kill xfce4-panel then
[14:38] <peyam> ahh
[14:38] <peyam> needs a Job ID
[14:38] <GridCube> no... killall xfce4-panel
[14:38] <peyam> doesnt work :)
[14:38] <peyam> already tested
[14:39] <peyam> haha
[14:39] <GridCube> it works here
[14:39] <peyam> forgot to write 4
[14:39] <peyam> awesome
[14:39] <peyam> nobody can use my computer
[14:39] <peyam> hahahhaa
[14:40] <peyam> should I make a killall xfce4-panel in the startup applications?
[14:40] <GridCube> ctrl-esc
[14:40] <GridCube> probably i dunno
[14:41] <peyam> hh
[14:41] <peyam> GridCube: my internet died
[14:42] <peyam> please answer so Im sure it works
[14:43] <GridCube> peyam, ping
[14:44] <peyam> good
[14:44] <peyam> thanks
[14:46] <peyam> GridCube: now the god of xubuntus is here with me
[14:46] <peyam> hacker xubuntu :d
[14:47] <GridCube> P:
[14:58] <nantou> 4 days to go
[15:04] <GridCube> nantou, to?
[15:05] <nantou> rephrase, to upgrade to 13.04
[15:06] <nantou> stable release is being released on the 26th. right?
[15:07] <genii-around> It should have propogated to all the mirrors by then.
[15:09] <GridCube> 25 nantou
[15:10] <nantou> it is still better to do a fresh install than a simple upgrade?
[15:11] <GridCube> nantou, i did an upgrade and it took longer but its fine, nothing bad happened this time, 12.04->12.10
[15:13] <peyam> I dont know it is possible to upgrade xubuntu on xubuntu
[15:13] <peyam> fresh install is alwasys required ?
[15:14] <elfy> GridCube: I did the same with a laptop - worked fine, only reason I don't now is speed
[15:14] <peyam> speed?
[15:14] <peyam> how do you mean?
[15:15] <peyam> I dont know if a computer can be faster than it is with xubuntu.. the speeddifference between lxce and xfce is very small
[15:15] <peyam> lxde
[15:17] <GridCube> peyam, installing from the iso its faster because else it has to download all the files,
[15:17] <peyam> iso?
[15:17] <peyam> Wha do you mean? it should be something I dont know about
[15:17] <GridCube> i had to download like 2gb because it updates all the programs i have
[15:17] <GridCube> !iso
[15:17] <elfy> peyam: it's quicker for me to get the iso and clean install than upgrade
[15:17] <GridCube> the iso its the installer image you get from the interwebs
[15:17] <peyam> yes
[15:18] <peyam> But do you mount the iso file inside xubuntu and install xubuntu new INSIDE the xubuntu you have?
[15:18] <elfy> I just install over the old one
[15:18] <peyam> so you clear the old one and do a fresh install?
[15:19] <elfy> yep
[15:19] <elfy> twice
[15:19] <peyam> then I got it
[15:19] <elfy> one for using and one to be the next dev version
[15:19] <peyam> wait wait..
[15:20] <GridCube> peyam, you get your files in a partition and the / partition gets reinstalled, then all the files are safe
[15:20] <peyam> yes
[15:20] <GridCube> yes
[15:20] <peyam> so you mount it inside the old xubuntu , install the new on an other partition and then format the old partition you have old xubuntu on?
[15:21] <elfy> me?
[15:21] <peyam> you people
[15:21] <peyam> I mean in generell
[15:23]  * elfy has 2 partitions I use - one is for general use the other is for breaking - my breaking one is now about 2 months out of date - I will install a clean one there and then dist upgrade it for 13.10 this time, my old 12.10 got a clean install with 13.04 about 2 months ago 
[15:23] <peyam> still dont get it
[15:24] <peyam> tell me how you install ur new xubuntu
[15:24] <elfy> clean install
[15:24] <elfy> over the old one
[15:25] <GridCube> peyam, no, yuou use the iso and burn it to amedia
[15:25] <GridCube> like a cd
[15:25] <GridCube> !burn
[15:25] <peyam> where?
[15:25] <peyam> yes
[15:25] <peyam> well
[15:25] <peyam> it is not what elfy  says
[15:26] <peyam> he mounts the iso inside the xubuntu
[15:26] <GridCube> no...
[15:26] <GridCube> what? no..
[15:26] <elfy> I never said that ;)
[15:26] <peyam> he burn it?
[15:26] <elfy> yea
[15:26] <peyam> okej okej
[15:26] <GridCube> its not what he said, he said that downloading the iso is faster
[15:26] <GridCube> then you burn it, or make a usb or whatever
[15:26] <peyam> no I get it. I though you mount it inside the xubuntu with out any extern media
[15:30] <GridCube> you can probably do taht with some grub magic tho
[15:31] <peyam> ;)
[15:33] <elfy> GridCube: you should be able to do it - did it once just to prove it
[15:34] <GridCube> P:
[15:35] <luke_> does anyone know if all the ubuntu flavors will get there own mobile os?
[15:37] <GridCube> dont think so
[15:37] <GridCube> maybe some day in the future, but i dont know of any plans for that
[15:37] <luke_> would be awesome if they do tho
[15:38] <baizon> xfburn?
[15:38] <luke_> if i could get xubuntu on all my machines i would be in heaven
[15:38] <baizon> ubottu didnt listen xfburn :(
[15:40] <GridCube> baizon, you didnt !
[15:40] <GridCube> ah
[15:45] <peyam> luke_: a mobile os?
[15:45] <peyam> didn't they have a os for mobiles? it was an first page
[15:45] <peyam> what happedned to that
[15:45] <luke_> well ubuntu has it, but not the ubuntu flavors
[15:46] <peyam> aha
[15:46] <peyam> okej :)
[15:47] <peyam> can you install android apps on ubuntu os?
[15:47] <luke_> not that i know of
[15:48] <GridCube> no
[15:54] <redcougar27> hello, I have a problem with the xubuntu desktop: the picture choosen as background doesn't stay; after rebooting, the default background (xfce-blue.jpg) comes back.
[15:56] <baizon> redcougar27: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2012/11/xubuntu-1210-day-2-customise-desktop.html
[15:57] <elfy> baizon: I find that if I use one from outside /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops I lose it quite often
[15:57] <baizon> elfy: ive never changed the default background :>
[15:57] <elfy> I've not changed it this week :)
[15:58] <GridCube> redcougar27, how do you login to your session?
[16:02] <redcougar27> No login asked (by default); as administrator.
[16:04] <GridCube> mmm
[16:04] <GridCube> you still have to sudo things up right?
[16:06] <GridCube> check that ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-desktop.xml its not read only
[16:19] <redcougar27> gridcube: no, the desktop appers after booting.
[17:00] <ArchBeOS> can i use the ubuntu deb files from dropbox to install, or should i go for plain debian release?
[17:04] <baizon> ArchBeOS: ?
[17:04] <GridCube> ?
[17:04] <ArchBeOS> baizon, i read that the ubuntu download for dropbox depended on nautilus instead of thunar. would the plain vanilla debian file work instead?
[17:05] <ArchBeOS> im new to xfce so thats why im asking so many noob questions
[17:06] <baizon> GridCube: a job for you
[17:06] <baizon> i'm out, 2 question in a row that i don't understand. I need a break... :(
[17:06] <GridCube> jajajaja
[17:06] <GridCube> ArchBeOS, you want to istall dropbox for thunar
[17:06] <ArchBeOS> im sorry baizon
[17:07] <ArchBeOS> i suck with the questions...
[17:07] <GridCube> ArchBeOS, see faq 4 http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[17:07] <ArchBeOS> qui. i just got ubuntu one installed and its working great. jsut need drop box and i should be ok...i think...
[17:08] <ArchBeOS> k. reading.
[17:09] <ArchBeOS> thanks GridCube :)
[17:09] <GridCube> :)
[17:25] <zodiak> hey guys+gals, I jst upgraded from 12.04 to the 13.04 testing.. and of course, the wireless doesn't work (rt3573 chipset). I kinda new this would happen though, so, question for laptop xubunter's, which wireless-n usb card "jst works" ?
[17:29] <GridCube> 07:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10), never had problems with mine, even android x86 detects it now
[17:29] <genii-around> zodiak: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/category/WIRELESS/
[17:30] <zodiak> GridCube, danke .. let me google around for a usb adapter with that
[17:31] <zodiak> genii-around, thanks for the thought but, that link is as dry as the gobi ;P
[17:31] <zodiak> 1/3 to 1/2 of them are intel .. which are mini-pci cards
[17:32] <genii-around> They should update the list more often.... :/
[18:06] <peyam> I removed the panel
[18:07] <peyam> and now I have a conky instead
[18:20] <mac_> hey everyone
[18:21] <peyam> hej
[18:21] <mac_> hows it going?
[18:21] <peyam> . ~/.bashrc
[18:21] <peyam> sorry
[18:21] <peyam> wrong
[18:22] <mac_> its all good
[18:24] <mac_> what are you doing with bash?
[18:26] <micom> weed
[18:27] <mac_> ya i got some in my backyard. have to rip them up
[19:53] <micom> do you think that c++ programmer with a little experience can be helpful in the xubuntu?
[19:54] <knome> micom, why not. look around in http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ and join our lists and irc channel.
[19:54] <mac_> hey guys
[19:54] <micom> thanks knome
[19:55] <knome> micom, it's not too long until we start planning on the next release either, so a good time to jump in if you have ideas
[19:55] <micom> knome, no ideas, i like xubuntu ( it replaced gnome classic in my example) and i want to gain experience in some open source project
[19:56] <knome> micom, it's a really good idea to subscribe to our mailing list (and why not send an introduction mail too) and join #xubuntu-devel, then start looking how things work in the community
[19:58] <micom> knome, ok, xubuntu-devel sounds like a better channel for this discussion
[20:03] <micom> i dont even know where is the repository with source code...
[20:27] <elfy> micom: enable source in software sources, then you can get the source code - unless it's bzr or one of those things others can point you at :)
[20:28] <elfy> sudo apt-get source abiword for example
[20:36] <AmoKk> hey guys anyone tried to instlal xubuntu on imac ?
[20:36] <AmoKk> install*
[20:37] <knome> probably yes, but before you go digging any deeper, i just want to point out that it's not really officially supported, so you are "on your own"
[20:38] <AmoKk> yea i know bout the video card problems
[20:38] <packetfrog> I would fully support googling the crap out of anything I can for you, just to ding apple.
[20:38] <AmoKk> I have only one problem ... i cant boot =))
[20:38] <knome> packetfrog, mind considering the language?
[20:39] <AmoKk> i tried adding nouveau.noaccel=1 blacklist=vga16fb
[20:39] <packetfrog> knome It took me three times of rereading my statement to find what you had an issue with, but sure.
[20:39] <AmoKk> however i get a black screen on boot time
[20:39] <SonikkuAmerica> AmoKk: A black screen that just sticks?
[20:40] <genii-around> Tried nomodeset ?
[20:40] <AmoKk> yea it sticks
[20:40] <AmoKk> just a sec ... let me try nomodeset
[20:42] <AmoKk> nice it booted
[20:42] <AmoKk> thank you!
[20:45] <redcougar27> hello; I have changed the desktop background (blue) by an image. But the image doesn't stay as background after rebooting and the desktop shows the blue background.
[20:46] <packetfrog> amokk http://www.moddb.com/groups/blenderheads/tutorials/linux-ubuntu-1204-on-2011-imac-guide  might be usefull.
[20:46] <packetfrog> useful also.
[20:47] <packetfrog> redcougar27, What version of Xubuntu?
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> knome: May I ask what that's for?
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> I see.
[20:52] <knome> meh.
[20:56] <AmoKk> ah come on guys packetfrog war really helpful
[20:57] <knome> AmoKk, i'm sorry. that's not the reason he was removed, but let's not go too deep into the reasons.
[20:58] <Unit193> !ppc
[20:58] <Unit193> AmoKk: Is it actually an Intel one or ppc?
[20:59] <AmoKk> Intel with nvidia gpu
[20:59] <AmoKk> early 2009
[20:59] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Intel_iMac is slightly dated, but should be good.
[21:01] <AmoKk> i have nvidia 120GT ... not listed there and apparently not supported by any distro ... at least not out of the box :D
[21:01] <AmoKk> installing now the latest nvidia driver ... hope nomodeset is not required anymore
[21:12] <zodiak> fwiw, the amped ua2000 gives awesome 5g/600Mb under xubuntu :)
[21:20] <peyam> what
[21:20] <peyam> installing driver?
[21:20] <peyam> u dont use the one in ubuntu?
[21:20] <peyam> big misstake?
[21:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Not necessarily...
[21:21] <peyam> I thinki the ubuntu one is more stable and the one made by manufactors is better in speed
[21:30] <zodiak> peyam, sorry, was that directed at me ?
[21:30] <peyam> I guess
[21:31] <zodiak> because the linux kernel  doesn't support the rt3573 chipset ;)
[21:31] <peyam> i didn't know sorry
[21:32] <zodiak> oh .. no worries :D getting the wireless-n working has been a labour of love :)
[22:19] <peyam> this channel was made in 07:42 in the morning
[22:19] <peyam> hahaha
[22:20] <peyam> who goes up from the bed to make a channel
[22:20] <knome> peyam, who said the person didn't have an allnighter. or be in another timezone. anyway, #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:20] <peyam> knome: good point
[22:21] <peyam> but
[22:21] <peyam> the time is the local time?
[22:21] <knome> i don't know, but #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[22:21] <peyam> offtopic are usually dead?
[22:21] <peyam> yeah u were the developer
[22:21] <SonikkuAmerica> peyam: I can make it live.
[22:21] <peyam> someon was searchin for you
[22:21] <knome> Unit193, you're welcome for the salmon.
[22:21] <peyam> comming
[22:22] <Unit193> knome: Danke.