| m_3 | marcoceppi: setting up that control env now | 00:02 |
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| m_3 | should be done for your morning | 00:02 |
| * m_3 making fun of one of your keys though... "Windows"... harumph | 00:06 | |
| m_3 | :) | 00:06 |
| imbrandon | m_3: heya, sooo check this out , been working on / tweaking a theme for a new site I've been tinkering with launching a week or so … themes only about 80% done or so, but thats not the cool part … check out this hack ( note the comment system ) http://www.cloudhero.net/hello-world ( most of the content is just dummy content while I work on the theme ) | 00:06 |
| imbrandon | its got the G+ commenting system thats only been released for blogger, and only a day or so there even … and that is a self hosted wordpress.org install on RAX using it :P | 00:09 |
| * imbrandon is happy with himself, so much so infact he is making it into a WP plugin for others. | 00:10 | |
| m_3 | imbrandon: oh, nice | 00:12 |
| m_3 | imbrandon: yeah, that looks great | 00:12 |
| m_3 | add the plugin to the wp charm too! :) | 00:12 |
| imbrandon | :) ty still rough edges but its almost there | 00:12 |
| imbrandon | m_3: for sure :) | 00:12 |
| m_3 | like the theme in general too...not just the comments bit | 00:13 |
| m_3 | nice and clean | 00:13 |
| imbrandon | thanks :) | 00:13 |
| imbrandon | its the first one i've done from scratch in a long time | 00:13 |
| marcoceppi | m_3: sounds good, how will I know the address? | 00:13 |
| imbrandon | well its still bootstrap based, but barely | 00:13 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: still in progress :)... I'll send you the node once I have it bounced | 00:14 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: I'm adding the env config so you can pull that from the node once it's there | 00:14 |
| marcoceppi | m_3: awesome, I'm curious to see if this works properly now so I'll check back after the gym | 00:14 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: that way you can control it too... and your keys get injected into everything (tpaas) in that env | 00:14 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: ack | 00:15 |
| marcoceppi | m_3: \o/ | 00:15 |
| imbrandon | m_3: here is alot of the elements you dont see on the page as well, developing it as a full theme … http://www.cloudhero.net/misc/styleguide.html | 00:29 |
| imbrandon | about half of the form elements are still funky ( select, combo box, checkbox[alignment] ) and still adjusting the colors a bit … but yea i'm happy with it over all too, tis something fresh to work on that dosent seem like a cheap copy of something else :) | 00:31 |
| m_3 | imbrandon: ack | 00:42 |
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| evilnickveitch | what causes "error: cannot log in to admin database: auth fails" ? | 12:40 |
| smgz | mattyw: ^did you get an answer to that error when you ran into it? | 12:51 |
| smgz | (looking at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2013-April/002301.html attachment) | 12:53 |
| smgz | evilnickveitch: possibly trying to deploy before stuff is ready, what were the steps you took to get that error? | 12:54 |
| evilnickveitch | hmmm. well, just recently - "juju bootstrap" followed by "juju status". so... | 12:56 |
| mattyw | smgz, sorry - just in a call | 12:58 |
| smgz | presumably just the current breakage then, not sure which of them caused that | 12:58 |
| smgz | could be the upstart/cloudinit one or something else | 12:58 |
| evilnickveitch | smgz ok, was just curious :) | 12:58 |
| smgz | are you running from the devel ppa, and have you updated recently? the package from yesterday should be okay | 12:59 |
| smgz | ...then the issue is the tools in the bucket aren't updated yet... | 12:59 |
| evilnickveitch | smgz - ah, where should i be getting it from, just to make sure | 13:00 |
| smgz | https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/devel | 13:01 |
| mattyw | smgz, I seem to remember that I was trying to do juju status too quickly | 13:02 |
| evilnickveitch | yeah, that's the one i have. I will make sure it is up to date | 13:02 |
| smgz | only built latest at the end of yesterday | 13:03 |
| rogpeppe1 | evilnickveitch: you will get that error if the bootstrap instance has failed to bootstrap successfully | 13:05 |
| rogpeppe1 | evilnickveitch: can you try ssh'ing to that instance (you can't use juju ssh for that though) and looking at the contents of /var/log/cloud-init-output.log | 13:06 |
| evilnickveitch | rogpeppe1, thanks. Some more investigating to do. | 13:06 |
| smgz | rogpeppe1: you should really make that error less lame | 13:07 |
| rogpeppe1 | evilnickveitch: yeah. i think we should probably change that error message | 13:07 |
| smgz | where you=we | 13:07 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: snap | 13:07 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: it's bad because clients connect directly to mongo | 13:07 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: in the near future, command line clients will connect to the API | 13:07 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: so you won't get that error - you'll just get endless "connection refused" messages, which is arguably better, i suppose | 13:08 |
| rogpeppe1 | evilnickveitch: the "auth refused" error means that the bootstrap instance got as far as starting mongo at least. | 13:09 |
| smgz | well, no, but I need to persuade you guys that bootstrap should be console-log aware still | 13:09 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: yeah, i agree, but it's awkward to do | 13:09 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: the command line tools can't know when the environment is bootstrapping vs when it's genuinely unavailable | 13:10 |
| smgz | they can, for several common classes of problems | 13:10 |
| smgz | if you don't get to cloud-init's happy message, you know something has gone wrong | 13:11 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: i suppose juju bootstrap itself could know; perhaps juju bootstrap --debug --wait could wait until the instance comes up, ssh to it and tail -f cloud-init-output.log | 13:11 |
| smgz | right, and then make --no-wait --quiet the non-default passable flags :) | 13:12 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: juju status on the other hand has no idea if it's waiting for the environment to bootstrap | 13:12 |
| smgz | you don't need to ssh to get the log | 13:12 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: no? | 13:12 |
| smgz | you just call into the nova api (on openstack at least, ec2 has the 4 minute delay thing or whatever) | 13:12 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: to get any log file on the system? | 13:13 |
| smgz | no, to get the log you care about (dmesg + cloudinit redirection) | 13:13 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: the one that i find all the useful info in is cloud-init-output.log, which i don't think is the one you're talking about there. | 13:13 |
| smgz | there's this nice little line in our cloud config, that goes like this: | 13:15 |
| smgz | output: {all: '| tee -a /var/log/cloud-init-output.log'} | 13:16 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: do you think we should change that? | 13:16 |
| smgz | or, in the go code, environs/cloudinit/cloudinit.go line 183: | 13:17 |
| smgz | c.SetOutput(cloudinit.OutAll, "| tee -a /var/log/cloud-init-output.log", "") | 13:17 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: or does the output also end up in the other log. i'm afraid i am shamefully ignorant of the cloudinit detais | 13:17 |
| rogpeppe1 | details | 13:17 |
| smgz | right, what you see in cloud-init-output.log also appears in the console log. | 13:18 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: ah, ok | 13:18 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: i wonder if it might be nicer to have a bootstrap-log command. that way even if i bootstrap silently, i can later inspect what went on in the bootstrap process | 13:19 |
| smgz | nicer than having bootstrap just working? no. in addition, perhaps. | 13:20 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: i'm not sure what you mean by "just working" there. | 13:21 |
| smgz | erroring when there's an error, with a clear message, returning 0 when it succeeds. | 13:21 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: i'm not sure i want the bootstrap command to wait for minutes by default | 13:22 |
| smgz | we'll have this argument in a few weeks :) | 13:22 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: i think i'm on niemeyer's side on this on | 13:23 |
| rogpeppe1 | this one | 13:23 |
| rogpeppe1 | smgz: if the bootstrap process was more reliable, i'm not sure we'd be as concerned about this. there are definitely some places where a retry loop could help things (for instance the metadata service can fail transiently in ec2) | 13:24 |
| orospakr | say I want to fork a charm (because I want to add an interface to it or something) after I've deployed it. can I switch the charm or is a redeploy necessary? | 13:42 |
| marcoceppi | orospakr: not really. There's a bug about not being able to upgrade a charm from the store using a local repo | 13:45 |
| orospakr | oh wow, yeah, that's the feature I'd want. well, so long as there's already a ticket filed. :) | 13:46 |
| marcoceppi | So if you've always deployed it from your local repo you can use juju upgrade-charm to update the charm to the newer version, but if you deploy from store then try to upgrade from local - no go | 13:46 |
| orospakr | alright, here's a fun question: what is Canonical's business model for this project? consulting? | 13:46 |
| marcoceppi | orospakr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1040210 | 13:46 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1040210: can't upgrade a store-deployed service from a local repo <upgrade-charm> <juju:Confirmed> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040210> | 13:46 |
| ahasenack | hi, there seems to be a packaging problem in pyjuju in raring | 13:49 |
| ahasenack | zookeeper is "suggested", as is apt-cacher-ng | 13:49 |
| ahasenack | but lxc deployments won't work without it | 13:49 |
| ahasenack | is that expected? | 13:50 |
| orospakr | hm, where is the reference documentation of all the fields permissible in charm metadata? | 13:50 |
| smgz_ | ahasenack: yes. you can use juju without the lxc provider, why should those people have to install zookeeper locally? | 13:52 |
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| ahasenack | smgz: ok, makes sense | 13:53 |
| orospakr | ah, probably https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charm.html | 14:01 |
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| orospakr | what's the best way to automate charm upgrades? the goal here is some form of continuous deployment. :) | 14:47 |
| SpamapS | orospakr: bump 'revision', 'juju upgrade-charm service-name' , the upgrade charm hook will run on all units in parallel | 14:58 |
| orospakr | SpamapS, okay. I figured that would be the approach. thank you. :) | 15:11 |
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| jcastro | m_3: do you have that text file from your charm school section? the one where you had an agenda, etc. | 15:36 |
| jcastro | or did you just generate that on the fly? | 15:36 |
| jcastro | marcoceppi: 1 week warning on LISA13 submission deadline | 15:37 |
| marcoceppi | jcastro: thanks, I've got a draft I'll send over to you if you don't mind giving it a once over | 15:38 |
| jcastro | fo sho | 15:38 |
| jcastro | m_3: Strata deadline is 5/16 | 15:38 |
| m_3 | jcastro: one sec | 15:47 |
| jcastro | hey marcoceppi | 15:48 |
| marcoceppi | jcastro: yo | 15:48 |
| jcastro | we need to do a virtual charm school for 2.0ish | 15:49 |
| marcoceppi | cool | 15:49 |
| jcastro | how does next Friday float for you? I'm thinking G+ | 15:49 |
| marcoceppi | jcastro: that sounds fine to me | 15:50 |
| jcastro | ok I'll schedule something | 15:50 |
| jcastro | ok everyone | 15:54 |
| jcastro | I've redone the messaging around 2.0 timeline | 15:54 |
| jcastro | https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoW1nhI7IMt3dGc1dmN6YUpxVXBidlYyX3VNOXNYclE#gid=0 | 15:54 |
| jcastro | this gives us goals as to what to talk about based on when things land in 2.0 | 15:54 |
| jcastro | and we have "general advocacy" on top of that | 15:54 |
| jcastro | so if like, a milestone slips in core we can do other stuff | 15:54 |
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| m_3 | jcastro: that was one-off... I can reproduce it if you want | 17:01 |
| m_3 | jcastro: usually just make notes for myself before each talk... based on the anticipated audience | 17:01 |
| jcastro | m_3: yeah so what I'm going to do | 17:03 |
| jcastro | is break up a charm school into "15 minute" chunks | 17:03 |
| jcastro | and then write them all down | 17:03 |
| m_3 | smart | 17:03 |
| jcastro | so we can assemble them like legos | 17:03 |
| jcastro | so like "this is not a toy example" is one | 17:04 |
| m_3 | I can reproduce my general notes | 17:04 |
| m_3 | maybe next week | 17:04 |
| m_3 | yeah | 17:04 |
| m_3 | convert them to video segments | 17:04 |
| m_3 | :) | 17:04 |
| m_3 | relation sequencing | 17:04 |
| m_3 | managing service lifecycle | 17:04 |
| m_3 | adding and removing relations | 17:05 |
| m_3 | anatomy of a charm | 17:05 |
| m_3 | service config | 17:05 |
| m_3 | I like a "juju basics" right up front... "the point" | 17:05 |
| jcastro | right | 17:05 |
| m_3 | then charms, then advanced juju | 17:06 |
| jcastro | right | 17:07 |
| imbrandon | sounds like what http://lullabot.com does with http://drupalize.me … its a huge hit | 17:55 |
| imbrandon | most vids are like 10 to 12 min but then they combine for an overall topic of about 1.5 to 2 hours total | 17:56 |
| imbrandon | jcastro / m_3 / marcoceppi ^^ | 17:57 |
| imbrandon | http://drupalize.me/videos/overview-drupal-theming <-- like that one on D7 theming is 7 min | 17:58 |
| m_3 | imbrandon: yup... exactly | 18:01 |
| m_3 | trick imo is to keep each vid to a single topic | 18:01 |
| m_3 | one problem at a time | 18:01 |
| m_3 | then it's easier to tag/search for what you want | 18:02 |
| m_3 | and link from askubuntu and jujudocs | 18:02 |
| imbrandon | less seeking in the vid too trying to get to "the good part" whatever that is at the moment | 18:02 |
| imbrandon | the actual drupal "distribution" ( read: drush makefile ) that lullabot uses for drupalize.me storage and playback interface is opensource / well maintained too , should you all decide u wanted to use it … i'm sure something less complex to begin with tho | 18:05 |
| imbrandon | even just a wiki with youtube links is a start | 18:05 |
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| robbiew | jcastro: m_3: http://www.openstack.org/summit/portland-2013/session-videos/presentation/juju-with-openstack-workshop | 20:36 |
| robbiew | :) | 20:36 |
| jcastro | Thanks! I was wondering when that was going to come up | 20:37 |
| jcastro | will share right after this call | 20:37 |
| m_3 | robbiew: thanks | 20:53 |
| * m_3 watching now | 20:54 | |
| jcastro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YenD4oxfEa4 | 21:07 |
| jcastro | is anybody else getting a "your browser doesn't recognize the video format blah blah" on this page? | 21:07 |
| marcoceppi | jcastro: nope, it works fine here | 21:08 |
| jcastro | man, I do say "Ummmm" too often in charm schools | 21:08 |
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| robbiew | works good for me | 21:22 |
| jcastro | ok posted to the world | 21:22 |
| jcastro | 43 views so far | 21:22 |
| marcoceppi | I'm ~45 mins in, great job so far | 21:23 |
| jcastro | I am glad I switched to the gray ubuntu shirt | 21:27 |
| jcastro | instead of those white snowball polos they had | 21:27 |
| robbiew | lol | 21:30 |
| scuttlemonkey | jcastro: ++ | 21:32 |
| mwhudson | jcastro: i get the format blah message in firefox | 21:33 |
| jcastro | mwhudson: do you have flash installed? | 21:33 |
| mwhudson | yes, but i think i have the "html5 trial" or whatever enabled | 21:33 |
| mwhudson | there is a link to youtube.com/html5 where the video should be | 21:34 |
| scuttlemonkey | jcastro: I haven't played w/ juju much on an openstack setup...how is it for deployment there on grizzly/havana stuff shaping up? | 21:35 |
| scuttlemonkey | all my juju testing has been on ec2 | 21:35 |
| jcastro | scuttlemonkey: you should be good to go | 21:35 |
| jcastro | the openstack provider doesn't do constraints yet I don't think | 21:35 |
| scuttlemonkey | cool | 21:35 |
| scuttlemonkey | ah | 21:35 |
| jcastro | but they'll be doing like biweekly releases of core now | 21:35 |
| scuttlemonkey | nice | 21:36 |
| jcastro | and the nice thing is juju is upgradable now | 21:36 |
| jcastro | so you can wait for what you need, then upgrade | 21:36 |
| scuttlemonkey | yeah, my plan is to move my entire test rig over to DreamCompute | 21:36 |
| jcastro | without tearing it all down | 21:36 |
| scuttlemonkey | since I'm on the hook for an in-ceph-tion-y talk about deploying ceph on ceph there | 21:37 |
| scuttlemonkey | that's great news | 21:37 |
| jcastro | yeah so the idea is | 21:37 |
| jcastro | if you want a core feature faster | 21:37 |
| jcastro | whine more | 21:37 |
| scuttlemonkey | while it isn't hard to destroy environment on a test rig...the ability to have many other things running live will be happy-making | 21:37 |
| scuttlemonkey | hahaha | 21:37 |
| jcastro | we're almost to feature parity so sooon we'll be moving forward instead of trying to reach the line of scrimmage again | 21:37 |
| scuttlemonkey | well in that case I will be the squeakiest wheel that ever squeakied :) | 21:38 |
| scuttlemonkey | but first I need a platform...so I'll go squeaky at Dreamhost first | 21:38 |
| jcastro | yeah I am waiting for Rackspace's cloud to be fixed so we can run on there | 21:39 |
| jcastro | but they posted how they plan on getting closer to trunk or whatever, so the openstack provider should Just Work there soon | 21:39 |
| scuttlemonkey | awesome | 21:39 |
| scuttlemonkey | aight, time to go hunt down some dinner. Great vid | 21:40 |
| jcastro | ta | 21:42 |
| jcastro | I'll ping you later, I should get a list of things you want from you | 21:42 |
| jcastro | and then we can bug mramm together | 21:43 |
| sander_ | Is there a video tutorial I should watch to learn how to write charms? | 21:53 |
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